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This in-depth interview covers a lot of ground, notably what Trungpa Rinpoche sees as the draw of Buddhism as well as himself as a teacher, negative cultural karma, and whether Buddhism goes against creating social change. Note: whether this article was ever published is unknown."]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication"]},"value":{"en":["UNPUBLISHED"]}},{"label":{"en":["Transcription Credits"]},"value":{"en":["Jul 07 2020 to Mar 18 2021\nTranscribing: Ella Milligan\nChecking: Sophie Perks\nFinal Proof: Anne Seidlitz\nOther Contributors: Lynn Friedman, Warner Dick"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["© Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced"]}},{"label":{"en":["Year"]},"value":{"en":["1975"]}}],"summary":{"en":["Journalist Sam Keen, from the magazine Psychology Today, interviews Chogyam Trungpa about the reception and viability of Buddhism in the US, the relationship between Buddhist and Western psychology, and Rinpoche's approach to presenting the dharma in a new culture. This in-depth interview covers a lot of ground, notably what Trungpa Rinpoche sees as the draw of Buddhism as well as himself as a teacher, negative cultural karma, and whether Buddhism goes against creating social change. Note: whether this article was ever published is unknown."]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["© Diana J. 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Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]\r\n\r\n\r\nCTI SLATE: This is the Venerable Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche. Magazine interview with Sam Keen for PSYCHOLOGY TODAY, June 16th, 1975. This is a CTI auto-remaster made July 2020.\r\n\r\n\r\nORIGINAL SLATE: This is an interview, Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche with Mr. Sam Keen of PSYCHOLOGY TODAY on June 16th, 1975.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304#t=0.0,33.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304/transcript/78147/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: SETTING UP]\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: Well, let's see. Just say something, anything.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Anything. There’s no pick up.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: I think probably your voice is the problem.\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: Put it on-- I'll just it over near you where we--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Okay.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Be alright?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Yeah, that should do it. Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304#t=33.0,55.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304/transcript/78147/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: INTRODUCTION]\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: Well, let me tell you what I'm looking for.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: We want-- I want to do an article or a series of articles, to try to find out and interpret what is happening with Buddhism in the West. Or the relationship between Buddhist psychology, Western psychology, Buddhist understanding of man, versus Western understanding. And largely to try to understand not only *what* is going on but *why* it's going on. Is there have been a lot of things done that say, \"Well, here's what's-- here is what the practice is,\" but very little that interprets it, interprets why it's going on now and what significance it is.\r\n\r\n\r\nAnd the people at PSYCHOLOGY TODAY have pretty much just given me a blank check to do what I want to do it, and do it the way I want to do it. And that maybe the best way to do it is with a conversation with you, or with you and Tarthang, or just using things that you say and putting it in an article. That, I don't know yet.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. Sounds okay. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: So, I just thought we would talk a while and ask-- I would ask some of the questions I have, and then see where we are, if that's alright?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. Mhmm. Have you made any contacts with the-- any other Buddhist teachers or...\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: No. Just in passing. In passing.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: I've read several of your books.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: And I had a lot of friends who've been involved in it. And I live about a mile from the Green Gulch Zen Center, and I know Roshi Baker.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304#t=55.0,178.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304/transcript/78147/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 1]\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: And I'm-- I know quite a bit about Buddhism. My background is in philosophy, theology, religion, psychology. So I know a fair amount about it, but not-- I don't know that I understand what's going on and why. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. Mhmm. I think the question is that we have to properly understand the not only Buddhism in the West alone, but particularly in America. That there's been a lot of very solid, and sort of exposed interest developed, and much more so than places in Europe. Lot of the Buddhist groups there are just kind of like the Theosophical lodge type in-group, and in-- and Buddhism in America has been kind of external forms, in the sense that people are taking vows right and left, and sitting and meditating and trying to say-- explain what they're doing to their parents, and there's nothing secret. And we had quite a number of people taking refuge vow, bodhisattva vow and numerous people of course meditating. Indeed they are very committed. They're doing retreats and long sessions of sitting practice we have, including dathun which is one month, like sesshin, month sesshin. And everybody seem to be very committed, very dedicated.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304#t=178.0,305.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304/transcript/78147/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 2]\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: Why? What are they finding in Buddhism that they don't have in their own-- would you like a cigar?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. One.\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: What are they finding in Buddhism that they don't find in their own tradition?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I think it's not so much of that their own tradition doesn't have the wisdom. But the problem is that their own tradition has been very much part of them as they grown up, and somehow it was too close to them. And to many cases I think it's not enough that romantic because not foreign enough, it's not far out enough -- that's rather just the dilettante point of view. And the solid point of view is also that they can't hear their own tradition properly. And whole family is involved, and there is whole kind of ingrown toenail type of situation has developed. So, that Buddhism is very fresh, from their point of view. And maybe one of the point may be, quite possibly, is that Buddhism is seem to be the only nontheistic religious discipline. And people like to work on themselves. There is a tendency of on humanistic kind of outlook, which is could be one of the factors. But a lot of people actually don't know at the beginning, it's just another religion, another worship--\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --another ritual. But then they begin to realize, they find it very surprisingly, but lot of people feel that they could do themselves rather than pray to somebody, you know. That could be the factor. And Buddhism talks a great deal about working with your own environment, much more so. And trying to use them as a part of the materials, to develop spiritually. And people in America are dissatisfied, naturally, in the environment around them. And I think people find that they had already been educated towards Buddhism, so lot of people don't have to switch onto Buddhism particularly, but just rediscover themselves, you know. It's a natural process to them. A lot of people, they don't find it strange.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304#t=305.0,472.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304/transcript/78147/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 3]\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: Well, in some ways it still seems strange to me, because a religion is-- any religion is like a plant, and it's rooted in its own soil, a soil of a country, of economics, of politics. And I gather that the kind of Buddhism that you come out of is really rooted in a monastic tradition, and rooted in a very kind of class society. And then here suddenly we find it blossoming you know, in Boulder, Colorado, and in Vermont, you know? And it's like an exotic plant, and how does it-- how is it able to grow in such strange soil? I mean, do you-- well just how does it grow? Why does it grow? It's so un-American.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [Laughs] Well, I think America is actually a very neutral place. And we have the Jews and we have the Christians, and we have the Mormons and everything comes here. And it's virgin territory, start from the beginning. And country is big, and people outlook is much more open. And I think particularly with Buddhism, that monasticism is part of the disciplines, but the important part is the practice of meditation. And you don't have to immediatelyrob your family and run into the mountains particularly. And it's part of the training in Tibet had developed, is that first step is meditate.\r\n\r\n\r\nSo, from that point of view, it's very simple actually. I mean, maybe for the Catholics or other traditions might find alien threatening, but as far as just man on the street, who does not have a particular heritage, just the ordinary American, I think there's no problem particularly.\r\n\r\n\r\nAs you said it is like a plant, definitely, it's-- it has a brand of its own obviously. But that brand is not particularly fussy, but-- plant is particularly fussy, but what environment is put in. Originally Buddhism came to different countries where they had their own national background, like Indians have Hinduism, Brahmanism, and Shintoism in Japan, and Taoist in China. So that Buddhism just came in, like a drop of rain from the sky, on the national soil of its own particular flavor, and blended together with what exists there. And traditionally that there's no such thing as really Buddhist wedding. In all the Buddhist countries the wedding is performed, in the pre-Buddhist religion and still, you know, it is valid. And that's kind of--\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: So, it's always apolitical in that sense?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Something like that.\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304#t=472.0,690.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304/transcript/78147/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 4]\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: Mhmm. It's [INAUDIBLE]. Yeah, well I suppose that's when... Let me go at from another kind of set of questions. Paul Tillich, who was one of my teachers -- do you know him at all? Well, Tillich was probably the most versatile theologian in the twentieth century, brought up in Germany in existentialism, died-- and he died about five years ago. He used to say that there are always three questions that you ask of any philosopher, any system, and that's where you get the difference. And the questions are: \"What's wrong with people?\" \"What would they look like if they were right?\" and \"How do you get them there?\" [Trungpa Rinpoche laughs] It's the question of, in Christian terms, of sin, salvation, and of the methodology--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. SAM KEEN: --or the analysis. What was-- in your understanding of human beings, what's the problem? How-- what's the nature of this-- of the mess?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I mean it's very basic; it's the basic nature is that too much ego and grasping. And from there, warfare and all kinds of you know things come up, basic confusion, ego. And that the idea of meditation practice and enlightenment is to sort of slowly unclothe ego's wrappings.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304#t=690.0,781.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304/transcript/78147/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 5]\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: Let me go back to the first one, and press on it a little more. A lot of times it's been said that in Eastern religion and philosophy that the problem is taught to have been ignorance, the people are ignorant. That they’re living in an illusion or maya. Whereas in the Christian tradition the analysis has always been the-- it's the hardness of the heart. It's not that we're ignorant but that somehow the perversion is in our will, or in our heart. Does that kind of distinction mean anything to you?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well it seems-- it sounds like saying the same thing in a way. You know that when you're hardened it is difficult to overcome, because you don't know how to do it. And ego is basically consist of basic aggression and basic passion and bewilderment, or ignorance. Things that one would like to have a greater happiness and freedom, and so much longing for it, which makes more difficult to actually get to it. Which is you know, hardened kind of thing.\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: And perpetuate itself constantly. Doesn't want to give up. Want to gain more.\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: Mhmm. Yeah, I like the way in [CUTTING THROUGH] SPIRITUAL MATERIALISM, you deal with that compulsivity of the ego and the tricks to cut through that, that's really nice.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: That's where I first heard about you in reading that book, and first liked that very much. That's... good tricks!\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304#t=781.0,874.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304/transcript/78147/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 6]\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: [Laughs] How do you break away from the grasping?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, it's very tricky, that unless you accept it, first point you have to understand what's going on. And then you have to realize that is the, you know, imprisonment and bondage and everything. And then you don't try to get out of it. More you try to get out of it you build it more. So just sit and be still, which is meditation is just very simple example. And it's just make friends with it, to begin with, and not create warfare.\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: That sounds so similar to the Christian thing about justification by faith. When Luther says, \"It is *as* sinners that we are saved.\" We are not saved from it but that we're-- this is it.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: Sounds very similar. TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I'm sure, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: I mean, what would people look like if they stopped grasping, what would society look like?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, probably more or less the same.\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: [Laughs] More or less the same, it wouldn't change anything?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I can't imagine you know, you’re living on a kind of energy world. That if there's no conflict, there's no energy, but maybe the mind is more enlightened. But still, you know, there would be a society, and exactly the same. I don't think it would change all that much a great deal particularly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304#t=874.0,975.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304/transcript/78147/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 7]\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: So that you're not trying to change conflict? I mean you're not trying to eliminate conflict?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well you see once you try to eliminate it you create more. You have to work with the conflict so finally conflict is transmuted, rather than completely changed. Conflict becomes energy. I mean the \"conflict\" is sort of a very biased term, in fact, something undesirable. But then when you have no conflict, that you get bored. Which is another conflict.\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: Well I'm trying to-- I keep trying to translate. In my terms what happens is the conflict which is at first warfare becomes play. Is that what you talk-- like in when Don Juan talks about the dialogue in the mind and the constant talk-- the constant yakking, and the criticism. And that after enlightenment that the-- there's still a dialogue but it's a friendlier dialogue, it's a more playful dialogue. Is that--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: --would that be...?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Something like that, something like that. It's much more powerful than just purely play, but, you know, finally tune into the energy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304#t=975.0,1077.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304/transcript/78147/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 8]\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: Let me switch directions. Who are you?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's very difficult to say.\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: [Laughs] I know. That's why I ask it.\r\n\r\n\r\nMay I have a match?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes. [Laughs] [Pause]\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: Well I could tickle out the question, but I think you know what I mean. You are-- you are to-- you are to many-- you are obviously the head of a movement.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [Laughing] Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: And you know I know about tulkus.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: And I know-- I've read about your training. And that only deepens the mystery--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Sure, right.\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: --of who a guru, a tulku, a teacher. And it's a question that's of course been here ever since the beginning but, from Socrates on. How do you understand yourself?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well it seem to be very simple actually. You see if you try to understand yourself, there is seem to be two way. One is that take the messages from other people, what they think of you, what they made of you, think of that you are made of. And another thing is just a sense of being. That you don't have to even ask question. You know, there's no basic anxiety.\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: I don't ask the question that way, see. There are two ways that I could write about what's happened. There are many ways, dozens I could write about what's happening with Buddhism. I could do it sociologically, I could do the techniques, or I could look at you and I could say, \"Now you're a good example. What does it mean? What's it mean to you?\" And I know there's one way of asking the question, \"Who am I,\" which is very anxious. \"Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?\" That's very anxious question. There's another way of really playing with that question, of saying, \"Well I'm the son of Dale Keen. I'm the product of a middle class family. I'm a child of God. I'm a fool. I'm a--\" There are a lot of ways I can play with that -- \"I'm a teacher. I'm a writer.\" And I wonder-- I'm just trying to get at-- coming from this very rich tradition that you come from, which is just so elaborate, with symbols and beautiful symbols and you come into a country that is in some ways is-- doesn't like symbols, and bringing this rich tradition and I wonder you know as it-- what it means to you?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [Laughs] Well, I think in some ways that when people have some understanding of meditation practice, and begin to deepen their understanding into it, not as a foreign culture but their own that rediscovering themselves, and it is not very difficult to them to find the richness of the, you know, tantric teachings or symbolism or whatever. It is quite natural to them; that we have some of my oldest students doing practices, on those areas and most people find somewhat quite natural.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304#t=1077.0,1354.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304/transcript/78147/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 9]\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: Are you a teacher? Is that who you primarily are?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes, I think so. You can say that. Because I have a lot of students.\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: [Laughs] What else are you? Are you a tulku?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes. I think so.\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: What is that?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, it's kind of... Something is passed on in the chain process, and still maintains past lives in my predecessor and the eleventh Trungpa.\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: And what is it like to be a tulku?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well there's no reference point for me.\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: I know there is none for none of us, [Trungpa Rinpoche laughs] but I assume that in some way it's different being a tulku than it is-- I'm a teacher too.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I suppose being a tulku is that if you are so sort of thoroughly soaked in it, and completely sort of converted into the Buddhist tradition. That you brought up in in a very special care. And your environment is nothing but dharma, constantly, so... And like you said you're a product of middle America, I'm just product of Buddhism.\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: [Laughs] TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304#t=1354.0,1444.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304/transcript/78147/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 10]\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: Well, one of the reasons I'm asking these is because there's such a rich mix in between the idea of meditation, where you're just looking at experience, that's it. There's-- and it's almost as if at that point there is no teaching, there's no dogma, there's no tradition. And then this other part, of what you seem to represent, is so rich in tradition and rich in stories.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. Well, you see traditions are just kind of tools.\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: Are?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Tools.\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: Truths.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Tools, you know.\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Kind of, way that makes things simple, way you present it; there is the way, there is that style that had developed. The style is very rich but, you know, actual truth is very simple. So that the cultural tradition, heritage is tools. Way of demonstrating, way of talking, way of showing people directly or indirectly or whatever you do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304#t=1444.0,1511.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304/transcript/78147/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 11]\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: Mhmm. Well, is part of your being a tulku a mission to the West?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well that seem to be the way it is. My early life I used to be fascinated by what's outside of this Himalayan rim.\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: Outside of--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Himalayan rim, or rim of mountains, and what's outside there. I know there is India, Buddha was born there. There's China, down there in south somewhere. And you see Chinese coming in, and you heard about Indians and people took pilgrimage to Bodhgaya and places. And I was fascinated by what's going on. What's Europe? You know, what's the Westerners like, the blond hair blue eyed people? And they looked like-- and I was used to be fascinated by it. And one day determined to go and see them, and maybe talk to them and feel them, whether they are like us, they can understand us.\r\n\r\n\r\nAnd of course I be thrust from my country by Communist Chinese invasion. And everybody's looking for some kind of security, and I was trying to see, you know, further non-security constantly. You know, get out into the West, and teach. And pick up English language as hard as I could, listening to people; there wasn’t dictionaries or anything available at the time. And going to school seemed to be waste of time, starting from scratch. It takes many many years before my memory and experience are [INAUDIBLE] faded away, and rationed; it seem to be my life pattern.\r\n\r\n\r\nAnd I was the first person who studied in Oxford University, no Tibetans there. And set up a meditation center in Scotland. That was the first Tibetan Buddhist center in the West. And slowly trying to experiment on various things. So here we are!\r\n\r\n\r\nMy Tibetan friends would say, sometimes, \"Don't you get a bit strange with Westerners all the time? And no-- none of our people around you?\" But I seem to get used to it completely. Particularly I like the dialogue that takes place all the time. That you can impart something to people, you know, how to clean up ashtrays, or how to sit and meditate. All these little details makes immense sense to show people. So--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304#t=1511.0,1694.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304/transcript/78147/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 12]\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: Why do you think that you're so important to so many people?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I suppose that a lot of things is that they have-- for the first time that they have something clicked with what I have to say and what they have already experienced before. And they try to talk to many people, talk to psychiatrist, and you know, talk to other teachers and whatever, but somehow didn't quite click. And develop friendship, and not only guru as someone put on pedestal, but just a friend, you know. Things begin to make sense to them more.\r\n\r\n\r\n[Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304#t=1694.0,1765.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304/transcript/78147/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 13]\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: Where do you find Western psychology? What-- helpful and inadequate?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I think both, actually. The development and that the discoveries that been made, have very much close link with Buddhist type approach. Very much so. But I think that the Western people trying to experiment. You see, that there's no tradition behind it so you have to improvise all kinds of ways. And then they tend to become gimmick, somewhat. That seem to be the problem. But, you know, general discoveries is remarkable, actually that they-- I think reason why Buddhism come to the West, and this country particularly is due to people looking into their mind, and into psychological trainings. I think that psychology is-- psychological world is responsible to bringing Buddhism into this country. There's a relationship between the two, very strongly.\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: Do you think that Buddhist practice takes people further towards enlightenment than say psychiatric-- than a good psychiatrist?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I think--\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: Or is it the same thing, or...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think one of the point is that people don't have the idea of a way of life. It's a treatment, a cure -- that's the problem. If [INAUDIBLE] regard a way of life, then it can step further; at some point they don't need any psychiatrist [INAUDIBLE]. But, in my way of thinking I must confess that I do still think that Buddhism extend much more so. Much more so than any of the other discoveries.\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: What's the \"more?\"\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I think it's... There's a level of being an ordinary functioning person, and good citizen, and good businessman. On that level, sane, relatively sane. And then there's something more so than that. Which is you know to become *completely* sane. That doesn't mean to say that when businessman become sane that he gives up his job particularly. But there's something much more panoramic than just, you know, narrow view. And it's an entirely new kind of world. When people instead of fighting the world rather than discovering the world.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304#t=1765.0,1955.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304/transcript/78147/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 14]\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: In the tradition from which you come, was the spiritual life-- was it something that children were trained in, or was it something like in the Hindu path that was for the second half of life? When people came into monasteries in Tibet, when they weren't going to stay there a lifetime, they come in for periods, and then go out?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, the social structure there is that each particular village, particular township, would have their own monastery and their own teacher, which is in contact all the time with them. So, idea is to bring their children and work with all them time, until they die. At the end they might go to retreat, or come back and teach.\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: So, a child might have a monk as a spiritual advisor, teacher, guide, therapist, for a lifetime or--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No. Monk is-- actually monasteries are the sort of kind of school, you know, where the reading and writing and everything is taught. History and everything is taught there. And when person graduated from particular training, and meditation practice and they return, and each particular monk would be a spiritual advisor to a particular family. And maybe he would be a teaching their kids how to read, and maybe write letters for them if they have a business friend in somewhere else, you know, that kind of thing. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304#t=1955.0,2067.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304/transcript/78147/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 15]\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: Well, a thing I've wondered about a lot, is that so many of the practices, like meditation practices and-- were originally-- seems like they were largely for older people. Was the idea that you didn't-- you couldn't lose your ego until you had it? And this-- the thing of introspection seems to be very much a part of the second part of life, and yet what we see in America now is a lot of very young people who are going into this. What-- how does that seem to you?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well you see the idea of children is, again, is that doesn't mean to say that children doesn't have ego. But they have their own neurosis, their baggages they carry along with them, is the bond because they inherited from their past lives--\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --so they are not innocent, as popularly known as. So, it's same kind of thing, they have less struggle with life of course with less experience, but still a lot of children from thirteen years, fourteen years begin to start meditating. And of course in my case, I was taught meditation when I was nine. Started very early. And the young people of the West have same kind of situation, that they practice meditation and get more experience with that, and also in side-by-side they get married and they get jobs and they have to work in the world, you know. So they learn, experience both side together.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304#t=2067.0,2170.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304/transcript/78147/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 16]\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: Do you find a lot of difference in what happens to people if they come to you at different ages? Is there a difference between what happens to a twenty year old and a fifty year-old?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Not very much, it depends on their sense of openness. And doesn't seem to be all that much differences. I think mostly people around about thirties or twenties in our scene, mostly. And we have a few very old people as well.\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: But your people are mostly then young, or what between twenty and forty?\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: Predominantly, yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. Like him.\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: [INAUDIBLE] I'm twenty-nine.\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: You're twenty-nine?\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: Which is probably about average I'm sure.\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: How old are you?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Thirty-six.\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: Thirty-six.\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: But there are a number of older people too. Up into the seventies.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304#t=2170.0,2241.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304/transcript/78147/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 17]\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: I'm not sure I'm even asking the right kind of questions. But I'm just still probing, to get out-- what are the right questions to ask?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [Laughs] I don't know.\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: Oh, I know one. What kind of questions are you still asking yourself?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, predominantly my schedules.\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: Your schedules?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, you know what am I doing tomorrow and what three o'clock, four o'clock you know. What is the-- when is taking vacation, those details seem to be, largely.[Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: [Laughs] Well is that a way of saying that your practice also dissolves other questions that like dissolves metaphysical questions, that you don't have those anymore, that they're not either necessary or interesting, or...?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, it's very interesting, but there's no area of uncertainty particularly.\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: You have no area of uncertainty?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [INAUDIBLE] It might be more exciting to have some.[Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: What was that?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Might be more exciting to have some.\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: Uncertainty.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: Well, what about--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, one thing is I keep on-- I memorized something like about fifteen volumes of scriptures, and a lot of them slowly fading a little bit. And so, I do ask questions to the books [INAUDIBLE] you know, trying to remember a particular line clearly. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: In the tradition?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304#t=2241.0,2374.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304/transcript/78147/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 18]\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: Well is this tradition-- is it very important to you now, in the sense that you talk with this, that you interact with it? Or is it something that just you had because you were trained in it, and now you've sort of jettisoned it?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, tradition is still very important, and I keep on rediscovering how fantastic those even simple things were. And I think that's becoming-- I keep on amazed about the whole thing. It's very powerful, but it's the [INAUDIBLE] we're not talking about *tradition*, we're talking about *essence* of the tradition. And not particularly how to dress and--\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: Yeah, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [INAUDIBLE] that kind of thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304#t=2374.0,2421.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304/transcript/78147/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 19]\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: It's just-- it's always interesting to me to find out who people talk with in their minds. Who their real audiences are. I know that a lot of times I find myself to talking to Kierkegaard. You know Kierkegaard, the nineteenth century existentialist. Or to Hegel. Or sometimes I talk to A. J. Ayer, the logical positivist. Or sometimes William James, and I find that I'm actually-- they mean a lot to me. Or I talk to my father a lot who is dead also, and that-- and yet I find other people who don't talk to other people that way; I mean they're not in their community.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: Do you talk to your teachers?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I used to do a lot actually. Particularly before I left-- or after I left Tibet. And asking for my directions, whether I should leave my country or stay home. And those periods of lot of them. But now that everything seem to be well-planned properly.\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: Everything is?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well-planned, physically and you know psychologically, so to speak. Well, occasional glimpse of a sense of humor, remembering my guru. That's always very powerful. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: Does he still give you advice?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No [laughs], not very much.\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: Is he alive, your guru?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: He was captured by the Communists, and nobody knows what happened to him. That was in 1959.\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: There he is.\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: Oh, that's him.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: I see you still have flowers for him.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: So he must be very important still?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [Laughs] I think so, yeah. Otherwise I wouldn't be \"me\", so to speak. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: Do you think that he in any way foresaw you coming to the West? Did he encouraged that interest and--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well he did talk about America is very important. But I wasn't quite sure at the time, whether he means that the Americans are not communist, therefore Americans are important. Or America has spiritual potential. I wasn't-- I never asked the question. But he did talk about Americans, and we should get some help from the Americans. He did talk about that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304#t=2421.0,2600.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304/transcript/78147/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 20]\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: It's so interesting to me that for so many generations America was-- Americans were always sending missionaries abroad, and now for the first time, we're having missionaries come here.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [Laughs] That's right.\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: And it's marvelous. I mean it's a marvelous kind of turnabout of...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [Laughs] I think one of the most interesting would be is when Westerners become Buddhist teachers -- which should be happening pretty shortly I would think -- and when they return to Buddhist countries. That would be very interesting. And in fact that's happening quite a lot in Thailand. A lot of the Thai monks are Western monks, and in fact they have more students, Thai students, than the Thai monks. And they seem to have some kind of more respect, and for instance supposedly more eloquent, or whatever, you know, genuine, something like that.\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304#t=2600.0,2684.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304/transcript/78147/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 21]\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: Are you happy? Are you a happy person?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. I don't seem to have any distressed situations, particularly. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304#t=2684.0,2717.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304/transcript/78147/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 22]\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: What other kinds of questions? David, did ones occur to you as you listen?\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: Well, I think the questions are fine. I know that Rinpoche could give about a dozen different answers than he's given to--\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: --each of those questions. Probably just to keep asking until some kind of pattern emerges. I mean, just for example, the question about metaphysical questions. Obviously Buddhist tradition is full of that sort of question, and certain answers, but the point ultimately is that there are no answers that's really, simply as logical statements are really very helpful. So that everything is viewed as, in terms of its usefulness in moving a person in a certain direction, so that they end up presumably in that attitude or in state of--\r\n\r\n\r\n[GAP IN AUDIO]\r\n\r\n\r\nA little needle jumping? Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304#t=2717.0,2792.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304/transcript/78147/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 23]\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: Well, the-- there's a way in which in the Christian tradition also metaphysical questions are solved. Or at least most of them, except... the major metaphysical question that isn't solved is the question of evil, the problem of evil. And I guess our greatest thinkers have come out of wrestling with that problem -- Augustine and Melville, Camus. What do you do with that? What do you do with the fact that evil, I mean, in the world?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What do you mean by \"evil\"?\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: Well, I take it that your country being overrun was-- is evil.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: That the slaughter-- TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, yeah--\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: That I take it that what we did in Vietnam was evil.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: That the incredible kind of suffering, is in some way evil. It's a problem-- it's a problem to my mind. Why is it not to yours?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I think it's a typical example of, in the culture I think, confusion. And that seem to be the basis of it. When things are not happening according to your expectations, you begin to put pressure, and to the extent of killing somebody, putting people into pain. And it's not evil in the sense of that it should be condemned particularly and rejected, and then there's no way to deal with it, at all. I think that's precisely what we been talking about ego and everything; it's a product of conflict.\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: Well, I see two things. I know that the conflict that is within me, is something that I can't deal with with violence. Obviously the only way to deal with that is as in meditation, to let everybody speak their mind, let all the demons and look at them and that. That seems to me very different than the kind of conflict that we're about socially, say in Vietnam, that I have to have very different attitudes. As I look in toward myself I'm very benevolent, toward all of those forces in myself. But when I look outward I don't feel so benevolent toward those who are at least largely responsible for that.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I think it's a sort of a hundred years project.\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: A hundred years.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: I don't have that long.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, you have your children or whatever, your people you passed onto. You know, that had to be that way. And a lot of the social problems have come up because of the situations in the past have taken place. And that's precisely, you know, karmic chain reactions begin to set its patterns altogether. It's like the presidents of this country couldn't make-- even their benevolent president, they can't make good and quick move, because they have to go along with what their predecessors had made out further. So these-- they can't do very much, but go along with it. And each try to add some little good things, hopefully somebody else will pick up later on.\r\n\r\n\r\nSo, you know it's-- that's why I said it's a hundred years project. And which also had to come from that kind of attitude, of, you know, we need to deal with the situation, rather than use purely power, or tricks or money. And the social conflict is very typical example of that. You know, it's just everything is mind's world, world made out of mind. And mind and memories, constantly. And without memory you can't behave. When you have memory, then you have to follow up, refresh your memories, and take another move accordance with the previous conclusions. So we are subject to that kind of chain reaction.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304#t=2792.0,3107.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304/transcript/78147/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 24]\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: Well let me ask another kind of question that is related. In the period in India, when meditation arose as a discipline, when the Upanishads were written, the spiritual elite of India, their energies for many hundreds of years were given to metaphysical, religious pursuits. One of the things that that seemed to do was to create in India a caste system. It took the energies out of any kind of social reform. One of the things that I wonder about with the kind of introduction of Eastern disciplines into the West is whether that same thing might not happen. Five years ago, probably a large number of the people who would now come to Karma Dzong would have been in the radical political movements, they would have been in very activist politics. So I wonder, you know, what is the meaning of these disciplines? Are they-- what are they going to do to the social energy for change? Are they going to merely turn people inward, and away from being really change agents in the society? Or do you think that eventually they're going to create more potent forms of change?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well you see, turning inward you said, it's a question of at the same time turning outward, at the same time. You know you can't just turn in, and meditate and just sort of incubate in that particular situation. Meditation is related with action that takes place all the time in your life. That the substance, the materials of meditation practice is what goes on in your life. So, I think in the coming future that there will be some kind of process in which that hopefully that this not become a political party, or political move. But just simply a good example, and a good citizen, sowing a seed. And hopefully that the people can pass onto their children and the life situation as go on.\r\n\r\n\r\nI think it would have in the long run a lot of social implications, definitely. That as particularly for instance like Buddhism, that we are unlike the inheritance or chain reactions of previous debts. It's new, here. And we can learn from the mistakes of the past and we can steer in certain way that would be free from unhealthy chain reactions, but they may be subject to something healthy situation, that we can do at this point. We are not trying to follow up anything, in except that income tax paid and those things fine, those very simple things like that. We have to pay our rent, and [INAUDIBLE], that's very simple. Apart from that we are not in a particular obligatory state situation at all, so we have a great opportunity, because of being newest to society.\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: Well, a lot seems to hinge on this idea of chain reactions, of cause and effect. Both within the mind, within society. Is meditation a way of breaking the chain of cause and effect?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's the idea, yes. Yes, that's the idea. But then that also had to have obviously a kind of a relative chain reaction is set up of course. But they are not hardened ones. And they are just guidelines to carry out things. So nobody had to start right at the beginning, start from scratch and make new religion. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304#t=3107.0,3383.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304/transcript/78147/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 25]\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: Is it in your mind compatible for a person to do Buddhist practice and still be a thoroughly Western person?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I think we all are. More or less the Buddhism that we are studying here is-- we are studying the just teachings, but we are not Tibetanizing at all, by any means, you know, we are...\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: Would this be a difference between you and Tarthang, in the approach?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Quite possibly, yeah. But people *are* getting into more complicated disciplines. Not at the beginning, I was very careful in not introducing any symbolism or anything of that nature to start with. People start very simple sitting practice, and they begin to understand more and more, their mind, then they begin to understand the-- some Buddhism slowly. So it's not just cultural symbolism alone, but it's just symbolism of their mind.\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: So would it be fair to say that of the Buddhist teachers, that you are the one who demythologizes Buddhism the most?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hopefully.\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: I mean that's-- that-- I just know--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: --just a little bit but Tarthang is really trying-- believes you have to get them into the mythology of the original tradition.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: And that's not your...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No. Well I think people have some kind of-- in fact the fundamental sort of faith is much more stronger, because you don't have any cultural problems to work with, for one thing. Being a Westerner, being American, is not particular condemned as far as I'm concerned, you know, and in fact that's the fortunate situation that you are able to see the basic materialism clearly. You are not fascinated anymore, you just your world. So that's a step ahead of it, so you know, that being American has a lot of advantages, in fact to study Buddhism.\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: What are the advantages of being an American in terms of spiritual practice?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, realization of pain and realization of life. And like, Easterners come to this country, suddenly, could be a somewhat great meditator and you could be conned into gimmicks and luxuries of all kinds, you know, and properly find shattering these experiences. But whereas American is concerned they are-- this is their world already, so there's no fascination to material side, from that point of view. And they have already taken step, a step ahead.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304#t=3383.0,3540.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304/transcript/78147/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 26]\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: I would suppose that most people come here are from children of fairly affluent families, at least middle class or upper.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well--\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: Would that be true?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I don't know, what do you think?\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: Well, the majority I think would be in that category. Not all, by any means.\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: Do you get any blue collar?\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: Because the logic would be that if Buddhism begins at the point where you see through materialism, then those who had it would-- who had the materials would be ready sooner.\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: Well, that's true. And I think it's also just a general stage in culture, that even someone coming from that blue collar background already has a step up on that basic state of mind.\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: Yeah. Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: But I mean as a generalization that's true of course. It's upper middle class predominantly, kind of spiritual [INAUDIBLE], that kind of climate.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304#t=3540.0,3616.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304/transcript/78147/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 27]\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: Well, I guess the question, another that one comes to my mind is, why do you call yourself a Buddhist?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I suppose that's just... there's two points there. Is one is in Tibet nobody knows that they’re Buddhist. [INAUDIBLE] they don't have to defend their faith. There are no other tradition, but just simply that. There's no reference point to them. But if you ask a child, you know, meditation, \"Sure, I know how to do that.\" These kind of things. And particularly in my case that in order to just make the immense cultural heritage, spiritual heritage like, which is Buddhism, and we don't have to particularly change, and edit anything, as far as the learning of the teachings concerned. In fact it is more on the fashion of the earlier stage when Indian Buddhism entered Tibet. It's that kind of fashion, you know, that when Buddhism is fresh, and introduced to another culture and another country. So our approach is taking a classical style, of Buddhism coming into new country. Rather than-- we are not-- we can't even modernize, because Buddhism is already modern, it's always up to [laughs] date. So I think we are hundred percent Buddhist from that point of view.\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: And I seem to become more and more impatient with the people who are just purely abusing, and spiritual shopping and all those kinds of things, you know. And decide to work on some people who are very serious.\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: Mhmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304#t=3616.0,3778.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304/transcript/78147/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: CLOSING REMARKS]\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: I don't think of other things just now. Let me think this over, and then I'll be back in touch. I come back here frequently. I have children here.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: In Boulder.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. I think that's good. We could just relax and just talk. We don't have to--\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: Yeah that would--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: -- even ask questions.\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: Yeah, I feel like I have just a little orientation now, and that the next time I'd just like to just get together I think on an evening or something like that, where we could learn some more stories and--\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: I think that might be good. And I think also if you could find time to listen to one of Rinpoche's public lectures, kind of catch him in different roles.\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: You'd begin to get more--\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: Yeah, I know your-- I mean the other thing I want to get in is the trickster. I know you're a trickster, I mean you have a very roguish image. And I know that relates a lot to change in people. The rogue, it's an old mythological theme [Rinpoche laughs], the trickster. And I know, I mean, somehow I haven't gotten to that today, but I know that's very important.\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: Maybe you have.\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: What?\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: Maybe you have gotten to it.\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: Yeah. [Trungpa Rinpoche laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Okay, well, we could get together--\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: Okay.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --and just talk.\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: Okay. I'm not in any hurry to do this. I have lots of time, and there's no pressure. I can do this as I want, they leave me completely free to do it when I want to, so.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, yeah. Mhmm. Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: So I have lots of time to do that.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304#t=3778.0,3877.40735"}]},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304/transcript/78148","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["19750616VCTR1-Captions [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304/transcript/78148/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"CTI SLATE: This is the\nVenerable Chogyam\nTrungpa Rinpoche.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304#t=0.86,4.75"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304/transcript/78148/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Magazine interview\nwith Sam Keen for PSYCHOLOGY","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304#t=4.75,9.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304/transcript/78148/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TODAY, June 16th, 1975.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304#t=9.0,14.03"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304/transcript/78148/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This is a CTI\nauto-remaster made July 2020.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304#t=14.03,19.8"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304/transcript/78148/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ORIGINAL SLATE: This is\nan interview,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304#t=19.8,21.67"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304/transcript/78148/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche\nwith Mr. Sam Keen of PSYCHOLOGY","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304#t=21.67,25.92"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304/transcript/78148/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TODAY on June 16th, 1975.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304#t=25.92,33.25"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304/transcript/78148/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SAM KEEN: Well, let's see.\nJust say something, anything.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304#t=33.25,35.73"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304/transcript/78148/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Anything.\nThere’s no pick 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Mhmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304#t=58.42,62.59"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304/transcript/78148/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SAM KEEN: We want--\nI want to do an article\nor a series of articles,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304#t=62.59,67.64"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304/transcript/78148/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to try to find out and interpret\nwhat is happening\nwith Buddhism in the West.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304#t=67.64,74.79"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304/transcript/78148/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Or the relationship between\nBuddhist psychology,\nWestern psychology,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304#t=74.79,82.96"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304/transcript/78148/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Buddhist understanding of man,\nversus Western understanding.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304#t=82.96,89.65"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304/transcript/78148/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And largely to try\nto understand not only","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304#t=89.65,93.01"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146099/file/269304/transcript/78148/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"*what* is going on\nbut *why* it's going 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