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Stepping beyond our misinterpretations of the world, and seeing the truth of reality as it is.  Connects mandala principle and seeing things as totality, interconnected from \"aerial point of view.\"  Buddhist perspective on what \"instinct\" is, as arising experientially from meditation practice.  How state of being in meditation brings disappointment, but that is working basis of mandala principle and five buddha family energies.  In Q\u0026amp;A, describes further working with emotions, as \"inward\"; how instinct works, connection of space that arises in meditation with mandala principle. Brings questioners back to key importance of experiential process."]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication"]},"value":{"en":["BOOK: Orderly Chaos","BOOK: Collected Works Vol 06"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication Details"]},"value":{"en":["BOOK: ORDERLY CHAOS: Part 2, Chapter 3: Instinct and the Mandala Perspective\u003cbr\u003e\n-- from \u003ca href=\"https://www.shambhala.com/orderly-chaos-1128.html\"\u003eShambhala Publications\u003c/a\u003e\n\nBOOK: COLLECTED WORKS VOL 6 (in contained work ORDERLY CHAOS)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Transcription Credits"]},"value":{"en":["Jun 24 2023 to Apr 22 2024\nTranscribing: Blaire Martin\nChecking: Ella Milligan\nFinal Proof: Ruth Veleta\nOther Contributors: Warner Dick, Lynn Friedman"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["© Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced"]}},{"label":{"en":["Year"]},"value":{"en":["1974"]}}],"summary":{"en":["A talk about how the emotions work in terms of energy, and how awareness or confusion arises from that. Stepping beyond our misinterpretations of the world, and seeing the truth of reality as it is.  Connects mandala principle and seeing things as totality, interconnected from \"aerial point of view.\"  Buddhist perspective on what \"instinct\" is, as arising experientially from meditation practice.  How state of being in meditation brings disappointment, but that is working basis of mandala principle and five buddha family energies.  In Q\u0026amp;A, describes further working with emotions, as \"inward\"; how instinct works, connection of space that arises in meditation with mandala principle. Brings questioners back to key importance of experiential process."]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["© Diana J. 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Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]\r\n\r\n\r\nARP SLATE: This is the Venerable Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, seminar on the mandala of the five buddha families, held at Karme Choling, Vermont. This is talk number three, December 24th, 1974. This is an ARP digital remaster made June 2007.\r\n\r\n\r\nORIGINAL SLATE: This is the seminar on the Mandala of the Five Buddha Families, Tail of the Tiger, December 24th, talk three.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154711/file/283810#t=0.0,45.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154711/file/283810/transcript/82207/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: MAIN TALK]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Continue what we talked yesterday, the nature of manifestation to emotional patterns that takes place in everyday life. There’s some questions about conflict arising from that, is the way it exist and the way it manifest seem to be different, that we have constantly problems with that. Actually there is no fundamental problem, but the problem comes from a process of reviewing what happened-- what happens to us. So that we exist as somewhat very plain and very simple. That it’s an influx of energies in form of emotions, and occasional flashes of ignorance and stupidity. And then there is the further occasional flashes of that when person is on the path, there is another kind of awareness which is a sort of empty-hearted one. And the level that the ego doesn’t exist and the level that you can’t create further trips to entertain oneself in that kind of sort of hopeful-- hopelessness takes place.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154711/file/283810#t=45.0,213.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154711/file/283810/transcript/82207/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In the case of what supposedly what’s called-- what manifest, the way it manifest is also a very conditional approach. That we receive the-- some kind of map, pattern, and some kind of data in how things work, how things happen. And we try to interpret accordingly at the same time. So that between receiving the information and the way we interpret, that we tend to lose something there. We tend to over-exaggerate or we tend to miss something constantly, so there is a big gap. But nevertheless that is also another form of the truth. [Laughs] And it’s the truth in its falsity, which is some kind of reality, we must admit that. So that the end product of the whole thing is that everything is so complicated and extraordinarily detailed, and every one of them are very meaningful to us. That seem to be the general pattern.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154711/file/283810#t=213.0,340.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154711/file/283810/transcript/82207/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But at the same time, that complexities of such pattern could be realized in the various forms, various styles of all kinds, and that style is very-- you can’t actually create a systematic prediction to-- as to what’s going to happen to the process and how it works. And one can’t study the behavior patterns and write down into informational sheet, but there is some kind of a rough pattern, that the only way seem to be is that trying to get a generalized pattern as much as possible to perceive those things, and not particularly try to interpret every one-- every detail. And also the distrustfulness to the judgment that happens at that level -- the monitor, so to speak, or the commentator, has its tone and its voice and its particular fashion to express in a certain way. And those things are extraordinarily distrustful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154711/file/283810#t=340.0,464.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154711/file/283810/transcript/82207/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I think that’s one of the point of what is reality, that traditionally known in the Buddhist way of viewing reality or the truth, that in fact we can’t perceive reality, we can’t perceive truth. It’s not a question of there’s no reality, there’s no truth, particularly, but it’s a question of that whatever we perceive, if we happen to perceive anything, that we see it according to some language and some approach, and we happens to color them with our own styles and ways.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154711/file/283810#t=464.0,515.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154711/file/283810/transcript/82207/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So that like the notion of, for instance, \"no ground\" appears occasionally there, the groundlessness and no substance in our basic existence of ego, whatever. But even then, that the groundlessness, the nonexistence are not visible. And somehow logically you can’t prove that such thing does exist, it does function. And once you begin to put into a systematic language and begin to formulate in certain way, then nonexistence of one’s ego, trying to prove that nonexistence does exist, becomes greater ego and further way of proving some kind of existence, maybe in a nonexistence fashion. So, the process becomes very complicated and confusing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154711/file/283810#t=515.0,588.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154711/file/283810/transcript/82207/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So in order to realize the whole thing of mandala-type perspective at all, needs some kind of aerial point of view, of seeing the whole thing totally, completely. And in order to do that, one has to willing to give up the details and the directions. And you might ask what exis-- what left after that. Well, nothing very much, [laughter] but at the same time a lot of it, simultaneously a lot.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154711/file/283810#t=588.0,637.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154711/file/283810/transcript/82207/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, let us not even question about that. It’s question of just doing it. And the-- our understanding of mandala principle is not so much to grasp the ideal, good-quality mandala that can be praised by experts and sold and bought. But the mandala is something that is a product of nonthinking. At the same time mandala is a product of enormous feeling, obviously -- instinct, rather: instinct without logic is the general perspective to experience the mandala principle. Again, we are coming back to the point of practice of meditation obviously. That meditation is a man-made thing, naturally, otherwise there’s no such thing as meditation. It’s a man-made version of enlightenment. But at the same time, that there is a sense of a great ordeal and great hassle that takes place in the practice of meditation. It’s not easy matter, it’s much more difficult to not do anything and just sit, than doing something.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154711/file/283810#t=637.0,748.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154711/file/283810/transcript/82207/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And from that practice of meditation comes, strangely, some kind of state of being-- realized some state of being that is utterly hopeless and has no chance of survival. And when that no-chance-of-survival and sense of hopelessness begins to occur from practice of meditation -- and in fact sometimes sense of regression takes place, to the great extent a lot of people find that. And then, some point you begin to find some kind of loose end somewhere, that some area that you haven’t covered. And that area that you haven’t covered is an interesting area, that it has the qualities of instinct. So instinct can't be overpowered by efficiency, it had to be ripened by natural organic process. So in order to realize such understanding as mandala principle, that person has to go through artificiality of something, like technique of meditation. And beyond that, then person begin to also go through a sense of disappointment, which then tend to bring a lot of space and begin to exaggerate the sense of organic-ness or whatever, and instinct level.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154711/file/283810#t=748.0,870.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154711/file/283810/transcript/82207/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, that seem to be the working basis that we could start what we are doing in studying mandala and five buddha principles. That is very important for us to know. That it is very closely linked with the practice, and at the same time a lot of discipline, naturally.\r\n\r\n\r\nWell, could have discussion.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154711/file/283810#t=870.0,919.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154711/file/283810/transcript/82207/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 1]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: Is the mandala principle a process, or is that you understand the mandala principle when you go through that process of the artificiality of meditation and the disappointment and the coming to instinct and...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I think it’s-- understanding of it is maybe process. But product of understanding is self-existence. It’s like digging treasure from the ground, that treasure is there already. That the digging process organic one, it’s work and labor, but once you have dug whole thing up, then it’s there. So the process somehow becomes--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: Mandala?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --temporary.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: But is-- I don’t understand what the mandala is. I mean, it’s not the pictures in the books, you know. Is it just-- is it the imagery of that process?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I mean, we have the mandala of literal symbolism and mandala of basic principle. And from the point of view of basic principle mandala is that which contains within everyday life, which including animate and inanimate, and form and formless, and emotion and non-emotion level. That if there is any relationship, that seem to be mandala principle, that there is a connection between some kind of reference point.\r\n\r\n\r\nAnd whenever there is a reference point, not from the level of conceptualizational reference point, but reference point *as* things as they are. Like the light and darkness is not influenced by concept particularly but it’s natural, organic thing. And whenever there is a reference point, then there is mandala principle. And “mandala” literally meaning “a group, or society, organization, that which linked with each other.” It’s like the notion of accumulation of a lot of one single details put together which makes a whole. And in the books it describes is like a yak's tail, tail of yak. That is, each hair makes tail, and so you see a big bundle of hair, which makes-- which constitute a tail of yak. But you can’t separate each hair away from it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154711/file/283810#t=919.0,1171.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154711/file/283810/transcript/82207/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 2]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: When you talked about giving up the details and direction and having an aerial perspective, first I presumed you were talking about in relation to-- relationship with the mandala. But it seems like that might be very tricky. One might just get stuck in some sort of ignorance level of a zombie type of state, [UNCLEAR: where?] giving up the sense of details and direction. It seems a tricky point for me to understand.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I think the question is that if you are already ignorant level already, you have nothing to give up because you’re not aware of them in any case. Whereas if you have something to give up, that is to say that you have developed some kind awareness, you know, of the existence of details, then by passing itor transcending it, which makes more real. And in fact, more you try to give up, they begin to rise. And you can’t just give up like that, you know, it's not possible. So there is a constant practice is needed.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Well, is that somehow be related to dealing-- perhaps like dealing with the emotions that one would not, well, try and not make use of them, but perhaps let the emotions take over oneself, like in dealing with panic, let it take over oneself and-- but not be concerned about this and that about the emotion, not trying to do something about it, or not giving the emotions some direction. Would that be like an aerial view of working with the emotions, letting it take over oneself? But--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I suppose you could say yes from some point, but \"let it take over\" means at this point is not so much of that you become subject to it, which is not purely they’re taking over but they are invading. It’s inward direction rather than outward direction. And if you suppress it again, that is also a process of rejecting. So, I suppose it’s question of complete letting be. That the emotions can function freely, free from any burdens whatsoever, from anywhere, you know, physically or psychologically. And they could function is traditionally described as like the rising cloud in sky, dissolving cloud in sky. Which is not exactly doing nothing, but it is also a way of experiencing them. That if you let them-- unless you let them be as they are, that you can’t experience them.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: What one gives up is the tendency to do something with them.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes, that’s right, yes, mhmm. When once you begin to do something with them, then there is no freedom particularly, it’s imprisonment, you are imprisoned by it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154711/file/283810#t=1171.0,1438.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154711/file/283810/transcript/82207/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 3]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: How does that freedom you just described relate to the freedom you were talking about yesterday? The freedom of the way these principles relate to the ignorance, the five buddha principles relate to the ignorance. You said it was like a certain kind of freedom of being able to move around totally because you were totally *with* the ignorance. How does that freedom relate to this?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: \"This\", meaning...?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: The freedom you were just describing of letting things be.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think the same thing. Is there any problem?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: I don’t know, I’m just somehow very confused [laughs] and I’m trying to put things together, I [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I know, it’s-- I wouldn’t try to put things together too neatly. [Laughs; laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154711/file/283810#t=1438.0,1526.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154711/file/283810/transcript/82207/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 4]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: As the student starts this process of meditation and would continue to meditate over a period of time, and gradually that he would start experiencing perhaps flashes of egolessness or flashes of groundlessness or gap or whatever. Is there any danger that the students-- that the student would turn the groundlessness, and the periodic repeating sessions of meditation, and the flashes of egolessness and all of that, is there a danger that the student would use all of that and turn his experiences of nonexistence and exist on that? Exist on all of his experiences of nonexistence, and...?\r\n\r\n\r\n[Unknown gesture or incident; laughs; laughter]?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [laughing] I suppose that’s possible. [Laughs; laughter] That’s highly possible. But that’s not quite getting the grasp of egoless. And there is-- obviously the student have the information about egoless, but not quite egolessness as experience, you know. Because of that, then you can come back, and you can reassert something or other on the basis of such information.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Well if a student experienced a flash of groundlessness or a flash of--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, there’s a-- flash is not just one thing, it has different types. It has the flashes of actual experience and it has the flashes of experiencing information. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Well, wouldn’t-- would there be a case in which that if the student experienced a true flash of egolessness, that after that happened there would be some sense of excitement in that, and the student would be very much looking forward and trying to some way conjure up another one of those experiences?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I don’t think so. [Laughter] Then-- I mean that is *again* you have maybe a true egoless experience, and then turns into information and trying to conjure up again, that’s also possible. But somehow it doesn’t seem to be a complete thing anyway. As soon as there is a reference point and evaluation of that, that it is not the real thing. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: But I mean, isn’t that what goes on and on and on in the life of a meditation student?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Not necessarily. [Laughter] Sometimes life is very straightforward and not repetitive.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154711/file/283810#t=1526.0,1753.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154711/file/283810/transcript/82207/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 5]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: Could you explain a little further what you mean by \"instinct\"? Is it something like what animals are considered to have, sort of just doing the appropriate thing automatically or something, or is it more or less than that?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think the idea of instinct is, this case, not purely physical, biological effect that reflects on the state of awareness or mind. But instinct here is some experience which is feel that you are completely adequate, that you do not need the aid of conventional logic or proof of anything, but it is firsthand account, firsthand experience, of actual experiencing. And you don’t watch yourself experiencing at that point, but you simply just do experience. And it is, you know, very straightforward. The closest to that is traditional analogy, in-- the lot of the people like Saraha and Tilopa talks about is that the experience of a mute man tasting sweet, intense sweet. And such delicious taste that he actually has a real taste of sweet and it tasted magnificently, but couldn’t describe because he’s mute. Because mute is from that point of view becoming intellectualizing, describing the details and the facets of your sweet taste. It’s a total experience -- which is quite different from animal instinct, you know, which is driven by certain conditions of physical situations or physical relationship situations. In this case it is firsthand account of things as they are.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154711/file/283810#t=1753.0,1906.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154711/file/283810/transcript/82207/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 6]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: When you were talking about the gap that occurs between the receiving of the data and the interpretation of it, when you said that it was false but there was a truth in that falsity -- would you say something more about that? Is it-- I mean, it’s inevitable that that discrepancy exists, is that so? In every case there is that discrepancy.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think so, yes, mhmm, definitely. It’s not a question of we are talking in terms of trying to avoid that, but, you know, actually things do happen that way, there is gap of that kind of thing. And one has to develop a sort of overview of the whole thing. And then quite possibly there would be a tendency to not separate between how way things as they are, or how things is, you know, manifest. And both become same thing. And that doesn’t mean to say that that’s going to free yourself from having the second type happening -- it still would happen in any case. But idea is that some kind of trust begin to develop somewhere, that even though there is gap, it doesn’t even matter.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: Is that the same tone as what you’re saying about maybe overlooking the details, that you’d see a more overall view in that case as well?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Seeing details?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: You said that in order to see the mandala you would have to maybe overlook the details and take an aerial perspective to be the same type of--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, yeah, that’s it. Yeah. That’s it, yeah, yeah. Because the way it’s manifest, if you begin to see that, there are a lot of details of it.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: Could you give me an example of detail? I don’t know what you mean by details. What’s a detail?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I think that’s it. 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Rinpoche,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154711/file/283810#t=0.51,4.59"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154711/file/283810/transcript/82208/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"seminar on the mandala\nof the five buddha families,\nheld at Karme Choling, Vermont.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154711/file/283810#t=4.59,9.45"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154711/file/283810/transcript/82208/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This is talk number three,\nDecember 24th, 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