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Makes the link between the bardo experience and our existing psychology. Describes the emotions and how they develop, as functions of ego's strategy to maintain itself and our existence. In depth description of the basis of ego in the five skandhas, and relating these to the six realms experienced in both the bardo and everyday life. Describes god realm as building a kind of dream world based on wishful thinking, but at the same time there is a kind of intelligence and space at work behind it. Meditation as what allows us to see things as they  are. In Q\u0026amp;A: [Q6] how the bardo experience can open to the awakened state; [Q7] Trungpa Rinpoche is asked to describe his own experience of the path in the midst of teaching other people."]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication"]},"value":{"en":["BOOK: Transcending Madness","BOOK: Collected Works Vol 06"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication Details"]},"value":{"en":["BOOK: TRANSCENDING MADNESS: Part One, Chapter 3: The Bardo of Meditation\u003cbr\u003e\n-- from \u003ca href=\"https://www.shambhala.com/transcending-madness-1570.html\"\u003eShambhala Publications\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nBOOK: COLLECTED WORKS VOL 6 (in contained book TRANSCENDING MADNESS)\u003cbr\u003e\n-- from \u003ca href=\"https://www.shambhala.com/the-collected-works-of-chogyam-trungpa-380.html\"\u003eShambhala Publications\u003c/a\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Transcription Credits"]},"value":{"en":["May 02 2021 to Jan 23 2022 Transcribing: Leandra Ziegler Checking: Jessyca Goldstein Final Proof: Ella Milligan Other Contributors: Lynn Friedman, Warner Dick"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["© Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced"]}},{"label":{"en":["Year"]},"value":{"en":["1971"]}}],"summary":{"en":["The bardo of meditation, associated with the god realm. Makes the link between the bardo experience and our existing psychology. Describes the emotions and how they develop, as functions of ego's strategy to maintain itself and our existence. In depth description of the basis of ego in the five skandhas, and relating these to the six realms experienced in both the bardo and everyday life. Describes god realm as building a kind of dream world based on wishful thinking, but at the same time there is a kind of intelligence and space at work behind it. Meditation as what allows us to see things as they  are. In Q\u0026amp;A: [Q6] how the bardo experience can open to the awakened state; [Q7] Trungpa Rinpoche is asked to describe his own experience of the path in the midst of teaching other people."]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["© Diana J. 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Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]\r\n\r\n\r\nORIGINAL SLATE: This will be Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, seminar on The Six States of Bardo held in Allenspark, Colorado in July 1971. This will be talk number three, entitled Bardo Experience in the Realm of the Gods, July 17th.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138128/file/256016#t=0.0,23.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138128/file/256016/transcript/72338/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: MAIN TALK]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well perhaps we should begin with our theme. I think what we've been saying since the first introductory and yesterday is that in order to understand bardo experiences that you also have to understand sort of basic psychology. And yesterday we discussed the six realms of world: the world of hatred, world of possessiveness, world of ignorance, world of passion, world of speed, jealous, and world of pride, and so on. So all these types of different patterns of world is the source of particular experiences. I mean these experience of emotions -- hatred and mean, passion, or whatever it's may be -- they are the sort of basic background of the-- they are the space, and they are the basic background. I mean within that, there would be a different experience of bardo. Which works with the thought process and different types of emotions than emotions that you are born with, so to speak, you are made up-- made out of with.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138128/file/256016#t=23.0,174.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138128/file/256016/transcript/72338/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's like having body is like having involve yourself in the world of hell, world of hungry ghost. But if you have a particular wound on your body, that is the experience of different types of bardo experience, flashes of bardo experience that you have. Which brings that we have to understand the pattern of ego as well. So what I'm trying to say is that the basic involvement that we are involved with situations, and specific situations that we are facing, have to have some relationships. And that specific development of bardo-type experience -- whether it is in form of dream or whether it is in form of birth or death, whatever it's may be -- that this have to come from the also pattern of ego.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138128/file/256016#t=174.0,266.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138128/file/256016/transcript/72338/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"As I have been discussing about ego in many cases of our talks in previous times, but perhaps it is worth going again over in order to bring out the bardo concept properly. And this is that when we talk of ego, it is like we are talking about man with body and limbs. It has the basic make-up, and it has its tentacles, so to speak, as well. So the basic make-up consists of paranoia, confusion. But at the same time basic make-up is also started from some kind of wisdom as well, because there's possibilities of we don't exist as individual entities of solid person that one can continue all the time. That possibilities of that we are as individuals are consist of particles of lot of things, but even those particles don't exist as individuals anymore.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138128/file/256016#t=266.0,364.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138128/file/256016/transcript/72338/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And that possibility is first flashes into itself. And then there's sudden panic -- if this is the case, then one have to put some kind of defense mechanism to shield out all this possible discovery of nonexistence of ourselves. And one begin to play the game of deaf and dumb. That you would like to be individual and continuously existing, continuously surviving, continuously being one person. Even not going to make journey through time and space, but time and space are sort of extra attributes, but actual basic phenomena of our consciousness of being had to be solid thing. That's what ego tend to see it. And so whole thing is based on this kind of dream, wishful thinking, what you would like to be rather than what you are. And that starts paranoia from-- possible discovery of wisdom and paranoia begin to develop. And from that paranoia, one begin to experiment with extending yourself. In the case of that you can't just remain-- in this case, you can't just remain constantly being deaf and dumb, but you also have to learn to establish your ground as deaf and dumb. That is extending yourself into different area, different realms, as trying to feel the situations around you, trying to project yourself and then trying to experience that. So it's kind of experimental level in terms of feeling.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138128/file/256016#t=364.0,501.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138128/file/256016/transcript/72338/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So you have this basic ignorance of refusing to see what you are, and then you have the possibility of relating yourself in terms of feeling. And then next stage is in terms of impulse, feeling, begin to develop. Not only as trying to feel good or bad and neutral, but also feeling had to be more sophisticated level of efficiency, and therefore the impulse begin to develop with feeling. That efficiency, automatic mechanism. And impulse also begin to develop then into perception, trying to perceive the result of your impulsive actions. A kind of self-conscious watcher is overseer of the whole game of ego. And then last development is consciousness, which is kind of intellectual aspect of the ego. That trying to put things into category and intellectual sense and trying to interpret things and basic meanings of them and begin to see in terms of consciousness, in the sense of being conscious, in relating with the situations, is the last development of ego.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138128/file/256016#t=501.0,607.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138128/file/256016/transcript/72338/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And from that point of view of consciousness, then the bardo idea comes through. The idea of putting out, presenting a case of surviving, occupation, in terms of subconscious thought pattern, in terms of conscious thought pattern, and in terms of dream, in terms of birth, in terms of death, in terms of being with oneself, or in terms of meditation, meditative state. And these are the types of thought that we begin to put out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138128/file/256016#t=607.0,657.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138128/file/256016/transcript/72338/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So now the next situation is that as we put out our state of being as we are, up to the point of view of consciousness from development of ego. That consciousness also act not only these subconscious and dreams and other things, but consciousness also put out particular shape or pattern, or creed, so to speak. That your belongings, that your particular race, or your particular family, consciousness would like to associate himself in the particular types of world. And that that's where the six types of world we be discussing yesterday have developed. This consciousness either could begin the six types of world from-- starting from world of hell beings, or started from world of heavenly beings. Could begin from either way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138128/file/256016#t=657.0,727.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138128/file/256016/transcript/72338/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So now next process we have is the-- like buying land, [laughs; laughter] which is that associating ourselves with particular land of six \"lokas\", six \"worlds.\" And on that land, whether land is hot or-- and burning hot of hell, or whether land is a tropical area of passion of human beings, or whether land is with clear and crystal air of heavenly realm of pleasurable meditative state, doesn't matter what land that we associate ourselves with as natives of that land, but still we have to survive. You see the point is that how we going to survive as hell beings? How we going to survive as heavenly beings? You need some source of survival mechanism, method. And that survival mechanism and survival policy, so to speak, is those of six types of bardos.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138128/file/256016#t=727.0,844.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138128/file/256016/transcript/72338/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So we could begin from the world of heaven, for instance, world of gods. And world of gods in this case, as we described yesterday, a state of complete bliss, a spiritual state of complete balance in from temporary point of view, meditative state. And in order to survive in that meditative state of world of heaven, then the bardo experience of the clear light is the what is called in Tibetan \"samten bardo.\" \"Samten\" means \"meditative state\" -- in other word the complete absorption to the clear light or perception of luminosity. So world of gods, in order to survive as they are, they have to have the highlight of the meditation. Like the island, as we said yesterday, which remains in the middle of river. That you need this particular type of highlight of what you are, which is the clear light experience.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138128/file/256016#t=844.0,933.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138128/file/256016/transcript/72338/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In terms of ordinary experience of bardo, that it is be described, it's said that clear light experience can only happen in the moment of death when you begin to separate from physical being, separation between consciousness and physical body. That you begin to develop the idea of clear light as spontaneous experience and perception of clear light as that you are meditator who meditated before, and you begin to see this clear light and begin to recognize it as an analogy of a son meeting mother. But in the case of world of heavenly beings, this case, the clear light is constant process. In other word, this also brings another kind of bardo, bardo of birth and death, as well. That when we begin to leave one kind of experience of whatever is may be, then we look for the next experience to get into. And between birth and death, there is a sudden recognition that birth and death would never-- necessarily never could have-- never need to happen at all, unnecessary thing. Somewhat that begin to realize that the experience of birth and experience of death are just an unnecessary concept. Just happens, pure perception, pure kind of result of clinging on to something.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138128/file/256016#t=933.0,1070.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138128/file/256016/transcript/72338/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And we experience birth in terms of creative things and death exper-- in terms of destructive things, but those two things never need have happened. And there's a sudden experience of that kind of eternity experience develops, that is the bardo of clear light. And this kind of experience of eternity, beyond birth and beyond death, which is a source of survival of heavenly beings in the meditative state. That's why they get pleasurable state in the meditation because each time when the-- their meditation experience begin to wane, the only possible kick they could get, or only possible way of latching back on their previous experience of meditation, is the reflect back on this eternity. That-- and that eternity brings then sudden glimpse of joy, that brings the pleasurable state of jhana experience. And so that's the bardo of clear light.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138128/file/256016#t=1070.0,1150.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138128/file/256016/transcript/72338/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In other word, this kind of experience of eternity of clear light is the ultimate meditative state of ego, or ultimate state of nothingness. You see the point is that when we see eternity as it is, from the point of view of world of gods, it is exciting thing to discover because it is going to be promised state of being that you're going to be all the time like that. There is hope, tremendous hope. But on the other hand, from the awakened point of view, that if you see that kind of eternity state, that eternity also means constant nothingness as well, constant space. That eternity needn't have exist, nor is the-- nor does birth and death could exist, need to exist. And eternity is also the absolute clear light in this case as well of awake state, where when you begin to feel solidness, automatically you begin to feel the loose quality of the space as well. Well it's extremely subtle. It's like simultaneously experiencing hot and cold at the same time, extreme hot temperature, extreme cold temperature, simultaneously, and appreciating either side. And if you like to believe, you could believe on hot -- although you experience both hot and cold simultaneously. Or if you want to believe in the cold, you could believe it as well, because that is also intense at the same experience.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138128/file/256016#t=1150.0,1279.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138128/file/256016/transcript/72338/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So you see that it is kind of... whole thing is based on this -- believing is the effect of solidifying experience of bardo of clear light. And clear light could present itself as egohood and could present itself as awakened state of mind. And as described in The Tibetan Book of the Dead, of death experience of seeing the wrathful divinities and the peaceful divinities, as pattern follows. Only-- always the first time that you get peaceful divinities as first experience, and then wrathful experience is next experience. Is the, again, at the same analogy as the idea of experiencing hot and cold simultaneously. That if you have experienced the pleasanter aspect, the pleasurable aspect of eternity of clear light as peaceful divinity, then automatically if you are too relaxed in that pleasurable situation, then automatically the next situation brings dissatisfaction and wakes you up. Eternity begin to become impermanent quality or the voidness quality of open space. Is the first experience of bardo in connected with the world of heavenly beings.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138128/file/256016#t=1279.0,1384.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138128/file/256016/transcript/72338/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But that could also relate with our own experience of meditation as well. That the perception of meditation becomes promising. And that promise in itself could become the equivalent of eternity, like in terms of experience of the world of gods. Or else that promise doesn't mean that goal, doesn't-- or else that promise means that there's no goal anymore. What you are experiencing, the promise is already goal as well as the path. Which is kind of shunyata experience of that nonexistence of the journey, but at the same time you are trodding on the path. Is kind of experience of freedom.\r\n\r\n\r\nMaybe it's too complicated, but I think we should stop and probably discuss about it. It's quite hard going. [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138128/file/256016#t=1384.0,1458.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138128/file/256016/transcript/72338/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 1]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: Do you have any-- does one have any, like, choice at all? Let's say if you have some kind of eternity experience, and then you feel satisfaction or some kind of thing like that -- is there anything that you could do about that, except that recognize that you felt that satisfaction?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well you see, the funny thing is that once we begin to recognize, once we begin to satisfy with that, that automatically invites dissatisfaction. Because you are trying to solidify it, which means you feel some kind of threat automatically. So you can't really secure that experience, but just experience and let things develop in a natural process. As soon as you experience the eternity, or safe and solid, you're going to experience the other aspect as well.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: That's when ego is involved? That's when it's [INAUDIBLE]--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: When ego's involved, yes. I mean, ego's ultimate dream is the eternity. Particularly when eternity present itself in terms of meditation experience, that's really--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: So where there's hope, there's fear?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm. So that's the, I would say, the heart of the world of heavenly world, the world of gods.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138128/file/256016#t=1458.0,1557.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138128/file/256016/transcript/72338/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 2]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: You said when *you* experience eternity. Now this remains a subjective experience. How does-- what are the, let's say, the back-ups to that? How can-- are you sure that this is eternity? That this is not, well, some other game you're playing with yourself? You experience something, you get wildly turned on, and you say, \"Wow! That's eternity!\" Is it? And who can tell? And how do you know? Are you fooling yourself in that? You're just high maybe. You want to be in eternity, but are you? Is there a verification, perhaps by you?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: There doesn't seem to be anything at all, I mean, to prove and to definitely make sure. Only thing to do is just... the mirage is more vivid than the desert. [Laughs; laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Well, is it, you know, when you approach [INAUDIBLE] then the [INAUDIBLE] says, \"Go back.\" Or, after he talks to you for a moment, he seems to know, are you or are you not, have you reached a state of, or not? But there seems to be no feedback in [The Tibetan] Book of the Dead, or the way you--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: --explained it, that you really have anything other than what you imagine you have.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, you see the -- in every situation of life, particularly the world of mind, hallucinations and colors and temperatures are the world -- that's all. If you are trying to look back and trying to find *real* eternity, you find [GAP IN AUDIO] -- that's all. I mean, just pure mind.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Mind.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, that's all. I mean that's why it is referred as \"in between period\", or \"bardo experience\". It's something you go through between two intervals, rather than that it is, I mean, a permanent thing. That is why whole idea of what I'm trying to say is no-man's-land, rather than somebody's land, because you can't build permanent residence on no-man's-land.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138128/file/256016#t=1557.0,1737.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138128/file/256016/transcript/72338/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 3]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: Rinpoche, what is a hallucination?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, almost we could say, what isn't hallucination? [Laughs] I mean--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: Okay. [Laughs] Okay, right.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I mean that things we see and perceive are there because we see and perceive. So the real reassurance of absolute approval is because we saw it.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: You asked [INAUDIBLE WORDS] [Laughs; Trungpa Rinpoche laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138128/file/256016#t=1737.0,1788.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138128/file/256016/transcript/72338/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 4]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: When one becomes completely absorbed in the eternity, then how could one remember afterwards? You know, how could you remember that it's passing experience? Even by the very nature of it, you're completely drowned in it. How are you going to remember it?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You mean, how can you change experiences if you are constant eternity?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Yeah well, it seemed like you're saying, if you become completely absorbed in it, then when it goes, then you're shocked.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Well how, if you're completely absorbed in it, how can you remember it's going to go? In other words, you can't be absorbed in it--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: --and also telling yourself this is passing.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, you see it is-- eternity experience in this case is not eternal one. It's a glimpse of eternity. And then there will be a moment to appreciate eternity, and then there will be eternity experience, and then there will be gap to exper-- appreciate eternity. It happens like artist painting and stepping back and appreciating it or criticizing it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138128/file/256016#t=1788.0,1875.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138128/file/256016/transcript/72338/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 5]\r\n\r\n\r\nLILLA KALMAN: If everything is in the mind, and yet we have-- we can have experiences occasionally of the truth of which we are absolutely convinced. And then this truthfulness or this truth is really a question of one's own being at that moment. It isn't a proof of something else, but it must be some relation in one's own being. I don't know how to put it in words.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You mean the truth?\r\n\r\n\r\nLILLA KALMAN: But there is such a thing as experiencing something, one doesn't question it, this is true. And then it goes away and one is again on fraudulent land.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: On what?\r\n\r\n\r\nLILLA KALMAN: But there are some things that are--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nLILLA KALMAN: --that are true. But there is no such thing as objective truth. But everything is in the mind, and it must be that these are certain states of the mind.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, there is -- there's something, yes. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nLILLA KALMAN: There's something.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: There's something. And that something makes also the distance of the projections, and you judge whether you are experiencing something or not is the distance of the projections. So the point is that there is no-- from this point of view, there's no such thing as absolute truth. I mean-- on the other hand, everything's true.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138128/file/256016#t=1875.0,1995.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138128/file/256016/transcript/72338/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 6]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: It seems that the bardo seems to be the ultimate extension of ego, the ultimate experience. What's the relation at that point? I'm confused about your analogy, the diagram of the water and the islands.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: What's the relation of that to the awakened state? In other words, that seems to be the vehicle, the route, for the awakened state somehow. Like you're at the tip of a mountain and somehow you vaporize--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, you see--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: --you somehow [INAUDIBLE] tip of the mountain.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --that's very important point. Seeing bardo as the path to enlightened state is that this particular island is the high point, the highest point of the land. It's the-- in other word the embodiment of the whole experience of different realms of world where you are. Like in terms of world of gods, the eternity at that particular point is the highest point of ego's achievement. And because it is be highest point of ego's achievement, therefore it is close to the other side as well, to the awakened state as well.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: If you drew a diagram, what's on the other side? I mean, you have an island and you have a mountain. [Laughs] I mean, you know, you're at top. I mean the only--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: --the only impulse that I can feel is that you disappear. You know, you have a -- at the top of the mountain, all of the sudden you vanish.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I did think of that analogies... Well it's like... I suppose as you said highest point of this island is the closest to the opposite of it. You see the thing is that all these analogies, you can't take it too seriously. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: Yeah, because I was wondering what happened to the [INAUDIBLE WORDS] why there was the water and what happened to that [INAUDIBLE WORDS] and, you know--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6 --it got very confusing.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138128/file/256016#t=1995.0,2160.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138128/file/256016/transcript/72338/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 7]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: I wonder, in-- when talking about the path to the awakened state, I look for-- I try to come up with some connection to what it has to do with our everyday life. I can only see it in *your* everyday-- well, rather I see a difference in... What you outline is kind of almost as if it was all something that had to occur within us. And that it was almost as if what was happening with other people was somehow less relevant and not really worth paying attention to. But you yourself seem to maintain yourself on the path by perpetual response to *other* people, where they're at, and almost as if you're forgetting about yourself; whereas what you prescribe for us is like forgetting about others, and stages and meditation, all that.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: Well what I wonder is why-- can you describe the path in terms of your own experience, which is more like constantly responding to other people? And it seems like you don't pay much attention to developing yourself -- as you suggest we do. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's a good one, yeah. [Laughter; laughs] I think it's happening exactly the same way in the case of others as well. Because when there is particular necessary-- question of necessary to relate to yourself with others, or relate to yourself with me, in terms of relationships. I mean, you can't develop path-- through the path without relating yourself in any case. That's the fundamental point. But meditation also becomes starting point of relating. That you learn how to see the-- how to create right environment in order to relate yourself.\r\n\r\n\r\nIn terms of my own experience, that learning process takes constantly all the time, in terms of working with other people. You see that's the point of when you regard yourself as officially teaching other people and when you regard yourself as a student on the path, that student would gain certain experienced ideas, of course with himself, like practicing meditation, going to retreat, being with himself, as well as being with his version of the world. But he wouldn't share his experience with others as much as teacher would. And that's the very dangerous point when you try to-- when you become-- begin to become working with other people as a teacher. Unless you begin-- you're willing to learn from students, and unless you regard yourself as a student, and you are regard the student as your teacher, then you cease to become true teacher, because you would only impart your experience, what you been taught, in a package deal. And having done that, then there's no more to say.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: [INAUDIBLE WORDS]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Or else repeat again and again.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: Then if it's not such a distinct difference between you have one way as a teacher and we have another way as the students, then-- and your life seems to be so concentrated in terms of practice in regards to other people's needs. But in talking to us, you seem to-- that there is a Buddhist teaching about relationship of-- our relationship to other people, and practice of the perfections and that sort of thing. But we seem to bypass that, the hinayana side of it, and the worldly side, and forget about that and get into just the meditation; whereas your life is like you are practicing perfections. But on a-- and we can't quite match that, but you skip over the beginning aspects of dealing with other people.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: The beginning aspect of dealing with other people -- what you mean?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: What I mean is that your learning is in a constant in terms of relating to other people--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: --and some degree less of an emphasis on going into retreat, meditation--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: --but you're constantly doing it by looking to the needs of others. Well, there's a more fundamental corollary for us in terms of helping each other with material needs and being friendly, kind, not stealing, not killing, those sort of things, that we seem to-- those are the-- in terms of dealing with other people, those seems to be the fundamental beginnings on those kind of teachings.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: That you yourself don't manifest them for us to watch. For example you don't practice a hinayana way of life.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: We can't copy you in that respect. But we ourselves have to begin someplace.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes, that's the whole point is that it will be dangerous to purely trying to imitate me, or it will be dangerous for me to try to make other people as replica of me. It would be very unhealthy thing. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: But aren't there fundamental teachings in Buddhism about how people can best meditate and help each other meditate in terms of how they relate to each other on a daily basis?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well that's--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: They seem to be forgotten on account of the fact that they're hinayana-istic and rule-oriented.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well you see, the point is that what we are trying to do here is that start on purely practicing meditation at that particular base. And from that base then you begin to feel that need or the relevance, of the other aspect of all sorts of temptations, and the discipline is just of-- from individual conviction, it comes through.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: Well I wonder, I've been reading Gampopa, which you spoke so highly of in your forward to him, about THE JEWEL ORNAMENT [OF LIBERATION].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: And repeatedly he quotes the sutras as saying, and in-- as being step by step: you can't practice the perfections until you find a teacher; you can't practice the first perfec-- the second perfection until you've mastered the first; you can't practice the third until you've mastered the second; and at the end of those perfections, he gets into meditation.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: But you don't deal with-- tell us much about the practice of patience in everyday life, or, you know, on a concrete level, or charity, or strenuousness. They all seem-- all I can get is that they're kind of irrelevant, that they'll all fall into place one we meditate enough. [Trungpa Rinpoche laughs; laughter] But he insists that it be this order.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, you mean, you are talking about the six paramitas and meditation is the fifth one, being the fifth one. Well in actual fact, in all sort of path, that you have to have the-- your commitment at the beginning, like taking refuge and surrendering yourself. And basic practice of meditation happens always right at the beginning. And that kind of-- this fifth stage of meditation that Gampopa talks is the dhyana practice, which is the highest state bodhisattvas achieve in the natural process. Which is a different type of meditation than the type of-- hinayana type of meditation that what we are doing.\r\n\r\n\r\nYou see, in terms of patience and generosity and others, that the conflicts of life brings them out in any case. One doesn't have to make big speeches about them. But people find meditation is all the time painful or difficult problem, and then they look for something. And they begin to realize something's wrong with them, or they begin to find that something's developing them. And these kind of meditation in action, what we been talking about, is-- are the six paramitas or the practices of discipline is happening, natural process. It's the pain of meditation takes the pattern of disciplines. That you find that you are running too fast and you need patience to slow down, and if you didn't do that automatically you be pushed back, something happens. And lot of people begin to find that they are facing lot of problems if they done something not accordance with the pattern. And you could interpret them. I mean if you are a scholar for instance or if you are sociologist in Buddhism for instance, [laughs] that you can try to match them with the technical aspect of the teaching and their experiences, you can try to match them. But I mean there's no point of you know, trying to prove in anyway.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: Is there also no point, that there's the outline, bodhisattva's career, you know?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: Is there-- is it helpful to us to study that or is it a hindrance?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What you mean, study? Practicing?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: Read the books, you know--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I mean, it is definitely of course inspiration. I mean I have recommended most of the people about reading Gampopa, and also we have discussed the bodhisattva actions in the seminars and talks. And each time when I have, you know, interviews with people, that there's one or another kind of, at least quite regularly with everybody, almost without failing, that there is some kind of aspect of aggression, which they find a conflict with, always comes up in the interviews. And the bodhisattva's aspect of generosity and compassionate thing comes automatically, natural process.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: But the whole foundation of his question is incorrect anyway. If he says that you don't teach-- if you don't teach the paramitas and if you don't teach these different actions [INAUDIBLE] your life, because you teach them.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nLILLA KALMAN: About reading the books--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: Doesn't matter.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138128/file/256016#t=2160.0,2924.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138128/file/256016/transcript/72338/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 8]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: Rinpoche, I don't, you know, consider myself intellectual. Like, there's a lot of things I don't understand at all, so it must mean I'm dumb in some way -- simple. It seems that, like, giving freely as the situation comes up, without worrying about whether it's good for you or bad, or not being concerned with the approval or, you know, disapproval because sometimes you fall on your face, I mean, you know, if things don't happen right. Which, it seems, what you do -- you're here and you're always giving. You're available to give, which is to me would be a very simple thing. You show what is in some of the books. Like I can see you doing it -- giving -- which I never gave, so now I see it's very nice. I like that. And it seems like [laughing] enough to me. Is it important to get all the books and the-- all of this-- Like I read, I got to-- the reason I got to this in \"Gampapa\" [ed: Gampopa] -- I think that's how you pronounce it -- and I got to all the hells and I stopped reading the book. It just-- I just stopped. In other words I got confused and I never started reading again.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: So I'm wondering -- clear up this non-intellectual feeling, and then how to pursue it. I liked it until then, which my ego liked it. I see I, you know, I understood it, which must be ego. And if I don't understand it, then it must be ego too. [Laughter] But I stopped the book; in other words, I didn't want to read it anymore. Now I'm sort of [laughing] confused.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. Well you see any kind of technical studies that we make must have a definite personal experience go along with that as well.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: Well when they went into these descriptions of, you know-- well, you know, the chapter of, you know, the hells and being pressed and all of that.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: I couldn't [laughs]-- it just confused me.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: And then they went into the, you know, the grains of time and how long, you know, you would endure this.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: I thought it was symbolic of something. I said \"well it's got to be symbolism.\"\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: And then I started thinking about it, and I got a big headache, closed the book, and I didn't read anymore.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138128/file/256016#t=2924.0,3108.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138128/file/256016/transcript/72338/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 9]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: Rinpoche, before you talked about how the gods thought of eternity, and this made them hopeful. Is the equivalent-- the human equivalent to that sex?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Is what?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: [Laughs] Is the human equivalent to eternity -- like on a normal basis -- sex?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Is sex?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: Sex.\r\n\r\n\r\nAUDIENCE: Sex. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [Laughs] I wouldn't particularly say. I don't think so. It's-- somehow it is too kind of-- sex is somehow too sort of practical from that point of view. I mean this eternity is very much a dream-like quality, has no reality, no physical action or no particular evolvement-- or involvement in terms of earth, but it's purely living on imagination and dream-world. I would say it's more of like wish or hope.\r\n\r\n\r\nLILLA KALMAN: [INAUDIBLE WORDS] .\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It could be. If, I mean, if it happens that way, then it could have that potential as well. But somehow it is governed by purely physical experiences, whereas the-- this eternity is purely connected with imaginary aspect.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: How about when you're creating something, making a poem or something, is it something like that? That that creating the ecstasy?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think so, yes, mhmm. The pleasure of produced something, which is meditation is same like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138128/file/256016#t=3108.0,3270.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138128/file/256016/transcript/72338/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 10]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: In the clear light experience, how does one recognize whether it is egohood or the awakened state?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, very faint. I mean very subtle distinction between the two. When you begin to see the it's sudden glimpse but it's not eternity, but it's all-encompassing rather than eternity, then that's the awakened state of clear light. Whereas if you begin to see is-- all this is not as encompassing, all-pervading, but something definite and solid and eternal, then that's the ego inclination.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: Like in the TIBETAN BOOK OF THE DEAD, it seems like they talk about clear light as reality, but-- and then you seem-- you talk of it as like the ultimate ego experience. Is the-- if seeing it as eternity, is that like seeing something new? And seeing it -- the awakened state -- is that more familiar? Because that seem to be in there too. It's like the clear light being, what you said, son recognizing mother.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: Is that-- is the ego less familiar with that? Is it like--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well that's the beyond ego's range, like the notion of son meeting mother.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138128/file/256016#t=3270.0,3382.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138128/file/256016/transcript/72338/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 11]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: Does the complete human ego continue after the experience of death, and then go through the bardo states in the process of its disintegration?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Can you say that again?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: Does the complete human ego, as we experience it now, continue after the death of the body, and then go through the bardo states in the process of disintegration?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I don't think so. It's-- somehow that continues with the experiences. I mean you might have experience of egolessness, but at the same time that beyond that experience, ego continues.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: Even past the bardo?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Past the bardo state.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: And it's the same ego that -- right now?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, that's difficult to say. [Laughs] It wouldn't be the same anyway, would it? [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138128/file/256016#t=3382.0,3462.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138128/file/256016/transcript/72338/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 12]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: The distinction you made between the egotistical experience of clear light and the awakened experience seems to me to be partially a-- well one aspect of it, at least, sounds like a difference in emphasis on time and space. Is that significant at all?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Difference between?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: Time and space, where the experience of ego involves the notion of endless time, eternity; and the awakened experience seems to involve all-encompassing spacious aspect.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: Does that distinction play...?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well in terms of ego, it seems to be the space and time is very solid. In terms of awake experience, the time concept is very loose. I mean in other word, in terms of ego there is center and radiation, there's only one center had radiation. In terms of beyond ego, that center is everywhere and radiation is everywhere. It's not only one center but it's all-pervading one.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: I mean is it purely trick of ego to think in terms of time?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Somehow, in the ordinary sense of ego, there's very little understanding of time. Time purely-- time-- understanding of time is purely from desire. That what you would like to see, what you like to develop, and it's sort of wishful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138128/file/256016#t=3462.0,3571.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138128/file/256016/transcript/72338/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 13]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: But is the clear light something you see, the way I see you now? Is it something you can see with your eyes or is that a sort of a metaphor?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: I mean, I haven't seen it. It was-- years ago I took acid, but I can hardly remember seeing it, [laughter] you know. And for years I haven't -- I feel I haven't seen it -- like I've noticed [INAUDIBLE WORDS]. [Laughter] I wonder if it's something, like, is it relevant? You know, I'd like to see it, but-- [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You'd like to see it?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: --[INAUDIBLE] with your eyes open or your eyes closed -- but when I don't take acid? [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nAUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE WORDS] take acid. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, it should be quite obvious that when we talk in terms of clear light as being the all-pervading aspect, that you can't see all-pervading. I mean, I know that this book on the psychedelic experience and THE TIBETAN BOOK OF THE DEAD. [ed: \"The Psychedelic Experience\" by Leary, Alpert, Metzner]. Where THE TIBETAN BOOK OF THE DEAD [INAUDIBLE] talks about some kind of glimpse of light that you experience. But somehow, in actual fact, when we talk of like in terms of awakened state of mind, that doesn't mean to say that Buddha never sleeps. [Laughs] I mean it doesn't mean to say that -- \"he who is awake\" doesn't mean to say that he is absent of sleep-ness. And he sleeps and he eats and behaves like any other person.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: Well, could you explain? It's sort of easy to correlate awakened state and clear light as kind of verbal approaches to something that can't be discussed. But the subsequent lights that Evans-Wentz calls, and you do too, in terms of blue and-- blues and reds, and it sounds so visual. And I never had that kind of visual experience of seeing all blue or all red or all green or all anything like that.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well it's a metaphor of like we talk in terms of the person's face turn into red when he's angry, but that doesn't mean to say he-- his color of complexion turn into crimson, but that's sort of metaphor. It's same thing, the color of emotions. I spoke in terms of color and like clear light or any other experience. I mean, it is very complicated. Particularly when you get into THE TIBETAN BOOK OF THE DEAD and begin to describe the different divinities and iconographical details, and all these colors and shapes and symbolism are connected with a state of mind -- *purely*. If person is open enough to his own state of being, completely absorbed in it, that you could say almost the experience becomes tangible or visual. It's so real, in that sense. It's from that point of view.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: Is it-- well, for example, to experience these colors and forms, is it relevant whether or not your eyes are open?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I don't think so, I don't think so at all. But any case if you experience-- in the bardo after death, if you experience these colors, you will leave your body behind. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138128/file/256016#t=3571.0,3837.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138128/file/256016/transcript/72338/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 14]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: When you were talking about the ego as having the experience of either eternity is something solid and then the nothingness afterwards, and you used the analogy hot and cold, I started to think about the Chinese yin-yang symbol and the knot of eternity which is up there, trying to, like, flash back and forth between the space, the white, and the so-called form, the knot. And that also seems to have something to do with that next step to the awakened state.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. Well when I tried to explain the aspect of like hot and cold experiencing simultaneously, is the possibilities of two experience coming at the same time, both confused and awake. In fact that seems to be the whole idea of bardo altogether in no-man's-land, experiencing both at the same time.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: Oh, that's what you mean by hot and cold.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: One is the confused, the samsaric experience; and the other is the awakened--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: --and you go back and forth between the two of them--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: --so it doesn't help to try to use the-- somehow this [INAUDIBLE] is different then.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. It's the vividness of both aspect at the same time.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: Could you say something about that?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I think that's it. It's just when you are in such peak of experiences, that there is possibilities of absolute sanity and there's also possibilities of complete madness. I mean--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: You really are [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --experiencing simultaneously on one situation, one second, one moment. That's the seem to be the highlights of bardo experiences, like that, because bardo is remains in between the two experiences.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: Does it have something to do with letting go in that instant which decides which one you'll pop back into? In other words, like, when the thing is over, you either end up awakened or back in samsara.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: So it seems like you're given a chance. You know it's like the thing on the-- when you went to the fairgrounds, you know, and you stuck your finger out to grab the ring. And when you're in the bardo, you have a chance, somehow, to get the ring. But that-- and if you miss, you know, somehow you're back in the samsara.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, it--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: I think that's wrong because it's not getting something. It's--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well you see it is that-- there again, actual practice in an everyday situation, when those peak experiences are not present, brings them into balanced state. I mean if your general pattern of life is developed into a balanced state of being, then that much kind of chain reaction is enforcing that bardo experience at the time. In other word you have more balanced possibilities of sanity because of your previous chain reactions.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: It's like the base of a mountain somehow.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Quite, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: The broader and more solid your base--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: --the stronger it is somehow and the taller you stand.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: So that's what sitting is all about.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes. Well that-- I mean that's the whole idea of bardo's being important moment.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: But are they kind of like those chances on the merry-go-round in a way?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Chances?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: Yeah, you know--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER16: In Tibet, no merry-go-rounds.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: --[INAUDIBLE WORDS] are those the only times when you have an entry into the awakened state? In other words like when the merry-go-round goes around, there's a ring that sticks out from the post, and you lean out of the post with your finger and you try to grab the ring. And you know, there's always a [INAUDIBLE WORDS] you're supposed to get off when the ride's over, you know [INAUDIBLE WORDS].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Is that so? [Laughter; laughs] Well, you see I think the working on the basic sanity provides tremendous possibilities. It is basic -- there will be tremendous influence and power of course. I mean that's needless to say, you know. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138128/file/256016#t=3837.0,4160.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138128/file/256016/transcript/72338/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 15]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER17: Do you have to go through the bardo in order to get to the awakened state? That's...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, there will be some moment of experience, peak of experience, before the awakened state of mind, I would say. That is called bardo. I mean it's not particularly bardo's special, but it's just that gap is called bardo.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: Well if there's nothing special about it, we should-- when we see it coming, you know, \"Wow,\" you know, \"this is it.\"\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I don't see any making particularly big deal of it you know -- although we are holding seminar on it, you know. [Laughter; laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138128/file/256016#t=4160.0,4202.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138128/file/256016/transcript/72338/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 16]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER17: You said that after death you might see different colors of hues. So and there is something that is continuing after death, and I guess that something is in part is the you that reincarnates. Is it ever that you don't reincarnate?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, nobody knows.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER17: Or that nothing continues?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: But if you see it in terms of present situations, that experience happen, and they pass through continuously. Any physical situations can't prevent psychological experience of pain or pleasure -- it's beyond control. So I mean, if we work it back from that level, it seem that possibility is that even beyond physical death that there will be continuity of consciousness who work through, but that's assumption.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER17: A lot of times, in the Hindu things, they talk about how when you finally, you know, reach the awakened state, you're released from having to, like, come back.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well there is this idea in Buddhism as well. That use up your karmic chain reactions, and you-- if you use up karmic seed, then that you are no longer subject to the power of karma, returning to the world. But then of course if you are that much advanced person. then naturally the compassionate force of compassion forces you out, come back and help other people. In any case you come back, it seems that. [Laughter; laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER18: Whether you don't want to or whether you do want to.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER19: Possibly. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138128/file/256016#t=4202.0,4333.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138128/file/256016/transcript/72338/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 17]\r\n\r\n\r\nLILLA KALMAN: In talking about time, before, you said time was an invention. You didn't use that expression -- the wishful thought, it was related to hope. But also is related to fear, because time leads us to death. And is it true then that if one manages to give up both fear and hope, one is also released from time? Does time-- because freed from time?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, it seems time is a concept, obviously, and you transcend the concept as well, yes. I would say, definitely.\r\n\r\n\r\nLILLA KALMAN: But one doesn't have to be awakened to understand the concept of time, because in sort of very common, very, very sort of situations of everyday life, one sees that time is something very unreal. Sometimes there are five days that seem like five years, and other times there are five minutes that seem like five days.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. Well I mean-- you see, I mean, if you look at it from rational point of view, that there is a kind of a determination by your preoccupations, which determines also length of time. But it isn't exactly transcending time in terms of freedom, but it is the degree of your determination, your preoccupation. If something is pleasurable, it passes very quickly. If something is painful, it lasts extremely long period. But again, I mean there is kind of a noncaring quality in certain people, that time doesn't matter, and the person is completely easy about it. But again that is just pure habitual thing, rather than the fundamental idea of time.\r\n\r\n\r\nYou see time means, I suppose, a struggle, or is wish, is demand of something. You have particular concept of-- or particular desire to achieve something within a certain limit of time. And when you don't have this desire to achieve something, or desire to not do something, then somehow the limitation of time doesn't become important. But again, I mean, you can't say that you completely transcend time, like in terms of transcending seed of karmic patterns. Even the awakened state of mind or compassion and wisdom, in terms of communicating with dealing other people, one still have to use time and concepts again. But I suppose at the same time that it's *your* version of time doesn't last any longer. The fundamental, centralized notion of time doesn't exist anymore, that case.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138128/file/256016#t=4333.0,4559.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138128/file/256016/transcript/72338/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 18]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER20: You spoke of compassion as being the force that brings us, insists that we-- forces us to reincarnate again. I wonder if that has any relation to the-- we all at some-- occasionally, we're meditating and we don't want to stop. The bell may ring, or for some reason we want to continue, and there's a kind of feeling of \"I owe it to the others. I owe it to the others. I'm...\" You may have a feel-- you know, a kind of meditative feeling at the dinner table, and you owe it to the others to answer their questions, for example, or to be in the world. Is there any relation between the idealistic aspect of reincarnating because compassion forces you not to zip out, or-- and this common, ordinary feeling of not wanting to stop meditate but I'd rather owe it to the others, and they're standing up, you know, and finishing, maybe I should too.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What did you ask? What is the question? I'm not quite clear.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER20: Oh, I ask-- you spoke that happens--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER20: --that with experiencing the clear light--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER20: --that instead of leaving one's body and becoming space or something that I have no understanding of, you spoke of [UNCLEAR: notions? no certain  terms?] rather idealistic.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER20: I wonder if that has any relation to the rather ordinary feeling of experiencing a kind of bliss in meditation--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER20: --and not wanting to stop, not wanting to take a meal, or to go back into your everyday activities.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER20: But then you do anyways because you feel kind of pressure or a duty to your friends to continue your relations with them.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm, mhmm. Well any kind of awake experience you have should have the sharpness or the intelligence quality as well at the same time. So I don't think there will be possibilities of completely dazed in experience at all. If it's so, then something must be wrong. You see when you are completely evolved into an awake state of mind, you develop what is called the discriminating wisdom, as well as all-- as well as wisdom of equanimity at the same time.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER20: Well, you are here out of compassion. Are we here out of that same compassion? [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I hope so. [Laughter; laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER20: Well what I mean is, you-- [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nAUDIENCE: Yes, yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER20: I don't-- I've never experienced any sharp, clear choice to stay in the world for the sake of others. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, perhaps you feel as that you are not ready to help others yet.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER20: I feel I have no choice but to be in the world.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, sure. Well I mean, that's how things operate in generally. You have no choice, you are bound by karma. You have no choice.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER20: And is there an alternative state where this awakened person is constantly has the option of being in the world or out of it?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, if he's-- if awakened person is not bound by karmic duties, so to speak, then of course there is an option, definitely. Even the like arhats supposedly, the arhats who have achieved equivalent of sixth stage of bodhisattva path, have the option of not stepping into the world, because they have transcended certain karmic seed. And they remains for kalpas and kalpas in the meditative state until certain Buddhas comes to the world, and he have to send his vibrations to wake them up and bring them back to world and encourage them to commit themselves to the path of bodhisattva of compassion and not stay out.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER20: You mean you can leave if you don't feel strong enough duty to others?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well that means that it's partial kind of enlightened state, because a full enlightened state automatically would have compassion. Whereas if you are partial enlightened state, would have more of wisdom without compassion. And in this case you probably quite likely you will stay.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER20: But is this remaining in nirvana for kalpas, is that something worth shooting for or should we [INAUDIBLE]?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well that's purely up to you. [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138128/file/256016#t=4559.0,4910.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138128/file/256016/transcript/72338/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 19]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER21: I have a question still about this-- the difference between buddhahood and egohood [INAUDIBLE WORDS] --\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: The difference what?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER21: A question about the difference between buddhahood and egohood. Because from my own experience, comparing the experiences I've had to what I've listened to today, it seems to me that there's still confusion about egohood and buddhahood in the six bardos. Because at certain times I've experienced leaving this situation, let's say, a kind of transcending. But there's still a center, there's a source type of radiations. But at a certain point, if I'm willing to let go further, it seems to break loose into more of a spacious quality without this center type of aspect.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER21: Would that mean that I was leaving the six bardos into something beyond that?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well you get the potential glimpse of that constantly. I mean the-- all the aspects are in individuals all the time, and you do experience that, yes. But that doesn't mean to say that one has reached a higher degree necessarily, but more likely person is able to see the potential in himself.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER21: Where would you place the deja vu experience of being some place before in terms of the six bardo experiences? What would you say about that?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Before?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER21: Deja vu -- experience of feeling you've been someplace before.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Do you mean a kind of...?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER21: You go to some place that you've never been--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER21: --and you feel you've been there before.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. Do you mean is there such experience with six world?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER21: I was just wondering where you place that in terms of the six--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I suppose within six realms of world. [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138128/file/256016#t=4910.0,5052.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138128/file/256016/transcript/72338/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 20]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER22: Would you translate \"bardo\" again?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well bardo, b-a-r, is means \"between\", \"in between\", or \"gap\" or \"the middle\". And \"do\", d-o, means is \"island\". So altogether bardo is \"that which exist between two situations\". Is like the experience of-- between-- living experience is the between birth and death or the other experiences.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER23: What is not bardo?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: The beginning and the end. [Laughter; laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138128/file/256016#t=5052.0,5120.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138128/file/256016/transcript/72338/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 21]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER24: The relationship of wisdom and compassion -- can there be wisdom without compassion, or compassion without wisdom?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER24: Can either exist independently?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well it seems that according to teachings as well as one's own personal experience, it is quite possible you could have wisdom without compassion, but you can't have compassion without wisdom. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138128/file/256016#t=5120.0,5147.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138128/file/256016/transcript/72338/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 22]\r\n\r\n\r\nLILLA KALMAN: In this state of non-sleeping, a comrade-- I know somebody who almost doesn't sleep at all. He sort of sleeps about sometimes one hour a day and other times three hours a day, and he leads a frightfully energetic life. And he says that he was like that since we was twelve or something, and he just doesn't need sleep. [Laughs] And he's also, in a way he's-- or he's not Buddhist, but he's a rather [Trungpa Rinpoche laughs] enlightened person, not in a Buddhist sense, but--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nLILLA KALMAN: --I mean in... [Laughter] Well...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nAUDIENCE: Tell me?\r\n\r\n\r\nLILLA KALMAN: Is it at all relevant?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I don't know. But you see, I think ultimately there are certain requirements for the physical being, as long as you have physical body -- like sleeping and food are natural process. But of course then there's the balance of whether you need great deal of sleep or whether you need great deal of food, which is depends on the whether person is using sleep or food as escape or some other way. 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But in the ordinary case that nobody knows, nobody had actually gone through it like a journey.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER25: In other words, for a bodhisattva, all his lives aren't just like one life? I mean it isn't just one change after another?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It wouldn't be as--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER25: [INAUDIBLE WORDS]?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --clear as that in terms of bodhisattva. 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