{"@context":"http://iiif.io/api/presentation/3/context.json","id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/iiif/125q815s58/manifest","type":"Manifest","label":{"en":["1973-03-10: Buddhadharma Without Credentials: Talk 2: Cosmic Joke"]},"logo":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/209/original/cti-library-logo-blue-text.png?1672724952","metadata":[{"label":{"en":["Date"]},"value":{"en":["1973-03-10"]}},{"label":{"en":["Format"]},"value":{"en":["Audio"]}},{"label":{"en":["Location"]},"value":{"en":["New York City, New York, USA"]}},{"label":{"en":["Event Type"]},"value":{"en":["Public Seminar"]}},{"label":{"en":["Seminar or Series Title"]},"value":{"en":["\u003ca href=\"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/playlists/321/show\"\u003eBuddhadharma Without Credentials\u003c/a\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Talk Title"]},"value":{"en":["Talk 2: Cosmic Joke"]}},{"label":{"en":["Theme"]},"value":{"en":["Buddhist Foundations"]}},{"label":{"en":["Summary"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eA penetrating talk identifying source of credential and achievement-oriented approaches to spirituality as being mistaken view of duality. That we see ourselves as separate from the path, teachings, and so look outside to enrich ourselves. But teachings and teacher, and reality they point to are inseparable from us. Problem described as not knowing who we are, and search for answer outside, which he defines as basis of ignorance. Search for confirmation, credentials to build ourselves up defines samsara. Q\u0026amp;A is a lively exchange, almost in form of debate, between Trungpa Rinpoche and students: topics include what happens when you give up credentials; role of the teacher; how we wear out confused mind. This talk was basis for the chapter \"Cosmic Joke\" in The Myth of Freedom.\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication"]},"value":{"en":["BOOK: Myth of Freedom","BOOK: Collected Works Vol 03","SRCBOOK: Buddhadharma Without Credentials"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication Details"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eBOOK: THE MYTH OF FREEDOM: Section 2: Styles of Imprisonment; Chapter: Cosmic Joke\u003cbr\u003e-- from \u003ca href=\"https://www.shambhala.com/the-myth-of-freedom-and-the-way-of-meditation-1073.html\"\u003eShambhala Publications\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eBOOK: COLLECTED WORKS VOL 3 (in contained book MYTH OF FREEDOM)\u003cbr\u003e-- from \u003ca href=\"https://www.shambhala.com/the-collected-works-of-chogyam-trungpa-384.html\"\u003eShambhala Publications\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSRCBOOK: BUDDHADHARMA WITHOUT CREDENTIALS (out-of-print): The Hoax of Credentials\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Transcription Credits"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eFeb 23 2020 to Jun 05 2020 Transcribing: Leandra Ziegler Checking: Julia McKaig Final Proof: Anne Seidlitz Other Contributors: Lynn Friedman, Warner Dick\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003e© Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Year"]},"value":{"en":["1973"]}}],"summary":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eA penetrating talk identifying source of credential and achievement-oriented approaches to spirituality as being mistaken view of duality. That we see ourselves as separate from the path, teachings, and so look outside to enrich ourselves. But teachings and teacher, and reality they point to are inseparable from us. Problem described as not knowing who we are, and search for answer outside, which he defines as basis of ignorance. Search for confirmation, credentials to build ourselves up defines samsara. Q\u0026amp;A is a lively exchange, almost in form of debate, between Trungpa Rinpoche and students: topics include what happens when you give up credentials; role of the teacher; how we wear out confused mind. This talk was basis for the chapter \"Cosmic Joke\" in The Myth of Freedom.\u003c/p\u003e"]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003e\u0026copy; Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced\u003c/p\u003e"]}},"provider":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["Chogyam Trungpa Digital Library"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["Chogyam Trungpa Digital Library"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/209/original/cti-library-logo-blue-text.png?1672724952","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/185/662/small/Logo-Audio-Red.png?1682376253","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 1 - 19730310VCTR1-Audio-Prod-CTIAutoRmstr-Access.mp3"]},"duration":4578.92571,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/185/662/small/Logo-Audio-Red.png?1682376253","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662/content/1/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-cti.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/185/662/original/19730310VCTR1-Audio-Prod-CTIAutoRmstr-Access.mp3?1682376027","type":"Audio","format":"audio/mpeg","duration":4578.92571,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662/transcript/42724","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["19730310VCTR1-Transcript-Timed [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662/transcript/42724/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[19730310VCTR1 - Public Seminar - NYC - Buddhadharma Without Credentials - Talk 2]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]\r\n\r\n\r\nARP SLATE: This is the Venerable Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, seminar entitled Buddhadharma Without Credentials, held in New York City at 224 Centre Street Loft. This is talk number two, March 10th, 1973. This is an ARP digital remaster made December, 2006.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662#t=0.0,23.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662/transcript/42724/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: MAIN TALK]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What we have discussed already yesterday, probably should give some general idea as to the style of ego-involved way of relating with the teaching. There seem to be some newcomers here, I wonder if they've heard the tape that's been played?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662#t=23.0,86.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662/transcript/42724/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Still, in order to make a definite understanding of *why* there's a needlessness of credentials. Why it is so important. I think we have to examine precisely going back to certain psychological make-ups; that reason why credential was called for because that we can't have any disciplines that we can handle that we can't open or give away. That's why credential become helpful solution; appear to be genuine. At the same time, we have become a genuine searcher. That credentials being used in order to become genuine searcher.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662#t=86.0,198.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662/transcript/42724/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, it seems to be there is a point, why it is so terrifying to have a situation without credentials. In fact, the whole point here, that you begin without sedatives, or credentials. And reason why that is possible, that is necessary, maybe we could discuss a little bit about that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662#t=198.0,251.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662/transcript/42724/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"To begin with, any kind of self-development, or any kind of achievement, particularly spiritual-oriented, have sense of separateness, between you, and teaching, and the practice. You not knowing what to work on, but still wanted to study great deal, aspiration. And look for a teaching which is outside of your range of understanding or comprehension. And decide to commit into that particular practice or the teaching. And *then* you been given certain means or methods, style of a practice of some kind. If you wanted to understand this teaching, in order to bring teaching into a workable or... in order to make the teaching into medicinal, you have to conform yourself into certain particular patterns, prescribed by the teachers: \"And now, do this.\" So teaching is regarded as this case as medicine. And medicine is prescribed to take four times a day, twice a day, three times a day; after meal, before meal, before sleep. So forth. \"If you do this, then you are going to recover from your complain, sickness.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662#t=251.0,396.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662/transcript/42724/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Now that's the ordinary, conventional pattern, how we relate with not only medicine alone but relate with the teaching that way. There is a traditional analogy of hunter, as the student, and deer, musk deer as the teacher, and musk as the teaching. That people involved with the credentials style of making money, or receiving teaching, is to study the behavior of the teacher, or the behavior of the musk deer. What particular locality that musk deer lives, and what's the style or what kind of food that it eats. What's the track that musk deer travels through, from one place to another, whether they travel together in flocks, or individual. And how thick is the musk deer's skin, and what particular part of body you could shoot your arrow, or gun. And to make sure that musk is not harmed, but deer could be killed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662#t=396.0,515.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662/transcript/42724/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The teacher, in the similar case: what particular area where the teacher is located, and what's the teacher's favorite thing to you offer to him or her. And what's the best way to ask a teacher's acceptance of you. People bring money, flowers, sweets, fruit, promises of service; praise, that \"having heard your name has inspired me, having read your book, inspired me. I came here to study with you.\" And we use all kinds of means. In essence, what we are concerned is to get the teaching, or the get the musk.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662#t=515.0,588.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662/transcript/42724/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Except if you begin to find that the musk is inseparable with the deer, or the teaching is inseparable from the teacher. Then you have to prolong your shooting [laughter] because you have to domesticate that particular animal. You can't afford to just shoot, you don't get anything out of it. And praying for the long life of the teacher, \"Please be with us, we want to receive from you.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662#t=588.0,628.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662/transcript/42724/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Unfortunately, this metaphor is-- doesn't quite coincide with the actual meaning. In the case of musk deer, that musk survives without the deer. But the teaching doesn't survive without the teacher. And in the case of searching for a teacher, that not only what teacher has to say -- unless the teacher is a professor, who has certain technical knowledge. Once you get the knowledge out of the teacher, then you can do without him. Whereas if teacher is supposedly spiritual master, who gives his message through teaching through lifestyle, then becomes slightly complicated. That you can't immediately slash out the teaching and disregard the existence of physical situation of the teaching-- teacher.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662#t=628.0,700.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662/transcript/42724/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Eventually, but still we hope, \"sooner or later that I could take over, and present the teaching, possibly better than what my master taught me.\" So all this approach, looking for credential, has dualistic notion. \"When my spiritual master initiated me into-- as his successor, then we could do without him.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662#t=700.0,782.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662/transcript/42724/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It seems that whole approach there is we are looking for *intense* situation, in which something would reinforce our existence. \"I have received the teaching, and I relate with the lineage, I got finally what I desired.\" As if that you inherit something from your parents, solid sum of some kind. That's usually the relationship with the teaching, and one's own being, which breeds further duality, rather than nonduality. Because the teaching and your being are separate, that you are poor person that doesn't have any wealth, but you receive wealth from outsider, or you're inheriting -- your father, mother or your great father of the lineage, of the teaching, had transmitted this wealth, and \"finally I received-- I'm poor person received that.\" So still there's a notion of poverty.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662#t=782.0,868.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662/transcript/42724/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And that very notion of poverty comes from separateness; reality is separate from *you*. Teaching is being reality, and you are the watcher or the observer of the teaching. Rather than you are the *embodiment* of it, you are the spokesman of it. Like being spokesman for certain companies, that you are not a part of the company, but you speak for it. So you speak for the teaching. Still a sense of separateness, *tremendous* sense of separateness.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662#t=868.0,910.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662/transcript/42724/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Now, let's look back and back and back. That separateness has its logic; it's beautifully worked out. It involves a scheme that, \"I am uncertain as to whether I do exist, or not. I am uncertain. Who am I? What am I? How to experience myself. I couldn't do it. I have a name. I have feeling, I have my style.\" But all of these related with comparison. \"Somebody called me so-and-so, therefore I feel I am so-and-so. I have a style because somebody related with me and my style, therefore I am so-and-so. If I am a good person, not because only I think I am good, because I have no way of reference point of view, 'who am I'. And 'who am I?' is uncertain this point. But when person comes to me, tells me that 'you are good person,' or when I try to do something, I accomplish.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662#t=910.0,994.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662/transcript/42724/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So any kind of reinforcement that there is, is *always* comes from point of reference, *all* the time without failure; *everything*, we could quite safely saying. That we can't reinforce ourselves; the very idea of reinforcement is needing a reflector to reflect back to you and confirm your existence. Whether your name is so-and-so, and whether you are such and such person, good or bad, whatever you are. That we are looking for confirmation. And the whole thing is that confirmation is *extraordinary* important. If you don't have confirmation that we think that we are imagining. That we have to voice out. With uncertainty, bewilderment. We are uncertain as to whether we are voicing out at all or not. But when our voice begin to reach to the audience, or the perceiver, then the audience or the perceiver begin to react to your voice, and begin to make comments on it, begin to react to it. So then we know that we actually shouted too loud or too soft; it comes back to us.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662#t=994.0,1094.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662/transcript/42724/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Without echoing process, we are deaf and dumb, and paralyzed. That's the basic statement of-- basic state of ignorant [sic: ignorance], is fundamentally deaf and dumb, crippled. Reason why we discover that we are not deaf, we are not dumb, we are not crippled, is because we could test where the echo reaches, where the echo bounce back on us. That's the only guideline. So there is some fundamental, basic bewilderment of as to not knowing who it is. And then, not knowing, still trying, something comes back, and we begin to work accordingly. The rebounds act as a speedometer, and we begin to work, begin to crank up, and begin to go fast wherever's needed, and slow wherever's needed, or soft, or crude, whatever's necessary, we begin to operate, according to the-- what's we get feedbacks coming from.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662#t=1094.0,1195.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662/transcript/42724/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Now, that feedback could be said is the credential in fact. We are working on a similar basis in the even the spiritual level, or ordinary level, that we are working on the some kind of basic credentials. We want to be *told*, we want to be acknowledged, that \"you exist because you are such and such person.\" So, the whole thing is questionable; if you really look back and back *and* back, whole thing is questionable. And that seem to be one of the basic, fundamental, gigantic hoax [laughs], that we have created. Or maybe it's real. But again, who knows?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662#t=1195.0,1252.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662/transcript/42724/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, it's a world of uncertainty. But using uncertainty as the stepping stone to make certain, convincing ourselves. That basic point is called duality. Duality had to come from nothingness; like if you have zero, self-contained, but it has no outlet of anything. And in order to confirm its zeroness, we have to create \"one,\" to validate \"zero\" does exist. But even that is not enough; just \"one\" and \"zero,\" we could get stuck there. So we begin to advance, adventure out and out, we could create \"two\", to confirm \"one\" does exist. And then we could go out again and we confirm three and four and five, and so forth. Until that we come to a million. We-- that confirmation need another confirmation, that confirmation need another confirmation, and so on, so on, and so on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662#t=1252.0,1338.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662/transcript/42724/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And we expand and we expand and we expand *and* expand. And finally we come up with nothing. And everything becomes zero. Place for one is also another zero, place for two is another zero. And we are back to square one; we begin to panic; we start all over again. But this time it is safer because you have all these zeros set up, so you can place -- instead of zero you can put one, two, three, four, five and so on, so on, and so on. At least there's a background set up. At least there's some foundation to sit on. So we could go on and on, until infinity.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662#t=1338.0,1409.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662/transcript/42724/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's what's called samsara -- constantly vicious circle. Confirmation need another confirmation, and need another confirmation. So one credential need another credential, and another credential, all the time. So, from that point of view, that any kind of approach towards credential is act of samsara, act of pain. Because you can't just reintroduce new credentials easily. You feel that you have nothing to go on beyond that, you find yourself sheer drop, big cliff. Either kill or cured. And then we decide to be cured, by creating another extension to our cliff.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662#t=1409.0,1473.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662/transcript/42724/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, whole scheme is a gigantic mask, without a base. In fact, big joke. Biggest of all. We don't find it's funny anymore. It's serious joke; double-cross after double-cross after double-cross. And finally whole thing becomes *real world*, then. It's not anymore double-cross. That's precisely is the world of buddhadharma *with* credentials.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662#t=1473.0,1514.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662/transcript/42724/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We been talking about descriptive situations last night, but tonight maybe we could get into more-- into the idea behind it. So one overlapping, another overlapping situation, is the credential needs another credential to create its credentials. So the whole thing is founded on ice block, trying to build a house, hoping there will be some eternity. Only way to create eternity is extend your porch -- doesn't matter wherever your house is built; we built house on ice block, but you extend your porch. Overlapping porches. If somebody raise an objection that, \"Look here that your house is built on ice block, how can you build your porch?\" \"Don't be silly, forget it, we don't talk about those things.\" [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Sound of siren; laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662#t=1514.0,1619.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662/transcript/42724/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"According to Buddhist term, that fundamental basic confusion, or the basic scheme, is called the skandha of form.\r\n\r\n\r\n[Unknown incident; laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662#t=1619.0,1642.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662/transcript/42724/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER1: Can you review? I didn't take notes for years...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662#t=1642.0,1659.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662/transcript/42724/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Skandha of form. Form, this case, is trying to create artificial security policy. And it's *so* much of artificial of its own, therefore it becomes world of its own, so you don't feel anymore artificial. That in fact you begin to exchange of your artificial things, as if it's real world. That as if living in the greenhouse which is entirely consist of plastic flowers and plants [laughter], and begin to develop industry of its own. So you don't concern about whether it's made out of plastic or not. But it's concerned about its *aesthetic* appreciations, of certain types of plastic flowers, to plastic fruit. [Laughter] And all kind of new world begin to develop.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662#t=1659.0,1718.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662/transcript/42724/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So that's what whole thing is all about. Is whole thing is based on the credentials after credentials, and then we never think about it's a fundamental hoax. But in itself it become another world, that nobody question about it. If somebody begin to question, they begin to look at you as you are stranger, you are strange, odd. And doesn't conform with our world. I think that seem to be one of the basic situations has developed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662#t=1718.0,1758.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662/transcript/42724/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I better not go beyond than that. And since we have some more days to go and we could discuss further, and perhaps we could stop there and have a discussion on that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662#t=1758.0,1772.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662/transcript/42724/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 1]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Could you talk about \"emptiness is form\" aspect?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Could you speak about the \"emptiness is form\" aspect of it?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: There's a possibilities of that might be misunderstood as being credentials, at this point anyway.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662#t=1772.0,1793.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662/transcript/42724/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 2]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: What then do you *do* with the situation? I mean, is it just a matter of being aware of it, of being mindful of it, of meditating and creating space? Or-- like once you recognize there is this problem, what do you do?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, you better come back tomorrow, and [laughter] hear the rest of it.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: You guarantee an answer?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I'm not so sure.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: I'll check it out and maybe I'll ask the question again. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: But you might ask the same question--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: Right, right.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --Yeah, that's good, yeah. I'd do that. And I think what we are trying to discuss tonight is just to be aware of situation, such situation does exist, and it is apparent with our world, with our world.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662#t=1793.0,1845.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662/transcript/42724/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 3]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Rinpoche, why does this situation exist? Why that-- why has everything gone from zero to one? Why has it radically come-- manifested as [UNCLEAR: itself?]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Because you ask question. That's precisely why it's happen, \"Why? Why?\"\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: But why do you ask questions then?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Because you want to know why.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: But why does it occur in the first place, that you want to know why? [Laughter; Trungpa Rinpoche laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: I mean, why don't you just think, \"blehh,\" you know [laughter]. Or \"Ahh--\"\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well that is itself a question. Any kind of expressions you begin to make, any kind of move you begin to make out, is question. I mean question is not-- doesn't have to be real question, in \"is that so, and so-and-so, and so on and so on?\" \"If that's the case, then so-and-so and so\" at all. It's like your tentacles stretching out, the tentacle in itself is a statement, a question. But it's supposed to be experiencing how skill your ground is, but still that statement exist as tentacles are also question.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: How do these questions differ from questions that just have to do with inquisitiveness of mind, investigating attitude? What's the difference between that and the kind of question that you want to establish your credentials with?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, it's same thing, I think. I think it's same thing. Same thing. The other one is more developed question. The other one is more adolescent question.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: I'm not speaking in terms of differences of, you know, in sophistication of it. But you have said that there's a kind of questioning, or just a general attitude of skepticalness or cynicism, whatever--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, that's the same thing.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: --It's the same thing!\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's the same thing. That's why to realize, \"why, why, why?\" go back and back and back.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: But you just take it back to more primitive levels?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, as-- I wouldn't say exactly primitive, but I would say more simplistic levels. All the questions are trying to find out, how come it's so simple? [Laughter] How comes it's so primitive? That according to the Zen philosophy, such question turn into satori [INAUDIBLE WORDS].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662#t=1845.0,2027.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662/transcript/42724/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 4]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: Rinpoche, you seem to be stating kind of an extreme view, that any achievement that flows from the ego is inherently unreal and unstable and you have to keep on working to reinforce and extend it or it's no good. I mean why can't certain ego-connected, you know, skills and, well, areas of confidence *be* real solid things that you can rely on?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, you *can*, within that world of plastic flowers. You can.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: But you're saying it's inherently inferior to the real world, whatever--?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, what is real world?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: I don't know.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That in itself is questionable. As soon as we begin to talk any dualistic language like, \"What is real, opposed to unreal?\" then it's questionable as well. We haven't built our telescopic porch.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: But can't we assume that there is a real world, because otherwise we wouldn't be here, would it? I mean, here in this room together in an attempt, or a search.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Do you want to-- are you saying that we are here because we are-- everybody's real?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: No I don't think that we're all real, [laughter] but I'm just saying that we would like to find that point that we can identify as real, or that we can identify with it.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I would say the opposite, we are here to discover the unreality of it.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: The unreality of the reality.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Unreality of *itself*.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: Reali-- of the reality itself?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: But then that must assume that there is a reality.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No, because there's purely unreality.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: But is there a space in between, where there is nothing?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No, there is unreality, which is space.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: Unreality is the space--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: --in between. Where we are, or where we want to be?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Everything.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: Everything!\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: Then we do not exist at all.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's what the Buddha says. [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662#t=2027.0,2200.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662/transcript/42724/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 5]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: You know Rinpoche, you put the problem very beautifully. [Laughter] Everything that arises in meditation has the feeling of being with credentials, you know. An energy arises and fine, I recognize that energy arising. And then there is despair because it's coming from central headquarters yet again. And then that's still with credentials. And that's fine. But what's the way out?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Until you relate with what's the problem itself, that way out doesn't seem to be possible to talk about. If you're going to sabotage a bank, a bank robber steal money out of the bank, there's no point in talking about how much money we can steal out of the bank. But to begin with we have to discuss the security system that bank has developed, have to study that first.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: Okay, fair enough, yeah. In other words, just stick with it. [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662#t=2200.0,2270.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662/transcript/42724/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 6]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: What did it mean when we were told to learn from our mistakes?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Learn from our mistakes. To realize that new tactics that we might put out, attempting to save ourselves, are useless.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662#t=2270.0,2301.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662/transcript/42724/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 7]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: Is it only in the existence of the Buddha that one gets the sense that there's something beyond duality? Is this is the only basis for faith?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No, not at all. It's on individuals; that they have Buddha in themselves. Buddha is not something outside of us.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: But if one's entire experience is dual, then where would [INAUDIBLE WORDS]--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well no, the whole point is that there's a situation in which that we begin to forget our security system. We become unfaithful to our continuing ego. There are lapse, there are gaps, which are buddha-mind -- if you like to call it buddha-mind. There is possibilities of sabotaging the security of central headquarter, *all* the time. The changing of the guards takes place all the time. [Laughter] I mean that's why it is applicable to us, and seem to be more real.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662#t=2301.0,2385.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662/transcript/42724/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 8]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: Can a newborn child coming into the world avoid the trap of developing this game of heaping credentials on credentials?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, child is not regarded as enlightened person when newly born, particularly. And a child is born with a karmic inheritance of all kinds, of their own world. But child hasn't been awakened into a-- connected that *inner* seed of confusion to the outer reflections. So, I wouldn't say child is particularly extraordinary ground to work on. That how much perfect parent you might be-- parents you might be, and how much you try to secure child's sanity, still child would have a tendency of insanity in any case. And you can't shield child away from the world. I'm sorry. [Laughter; laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662#t=2385.0,2462.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662/transcript/42724/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 9]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: If we can use the term buddha-mind or we are all-- we are buddhas, at some point either through karma, or lack of karma, we get exposed to buddhadharma, which gives us this notion of our own buddha-nature, which is unborn, uncreated, un-completely [UNCLEAR: everything?] [Laughter] And then we have both a question and an answer part of our, I'll say, this \"thing\". And the first question is, \"Oh, this is true, or is it? Do I remember that this is true?\" Then the mail comes and says, \"Oh yes, I rem-- or well, maybe I don't remember, but it was sort of like that.\" So we have the question and answer.\r\n\r\n\r\nSo my question to you is about *your* credentials. We project on you, perhaps because of BORN IN TIBET, or what we know of vajrayana Buddhism, a notion of lineage, and a notion of credentials, frou-frou credentials, whatever, we have to-- we do live with this fact. And there-- and so we can imagine a person who themselves have no notion of credentials, but the notion of credentials is projected on them; it's their karma to be a teacher. What about your [laughing] credentials? [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think that's... When you begin to relate with the idea of somebody's credential, therefore \"I could be in their side. That I am in the side of the police, so if I'm in the trouble, they going to save *me*.\" Such notion is mistaken notion.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: I didn't mention salvation particularly.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I mean that's saying the same thing, you know, trusting that somebody has background and therefore if you, you know, trust that person going to tell me what's the right thing for me to do.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: I didn't mention trusting anybody's background, but the fact is that a background seems to exist--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, that's saying the same thing.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: --seems to be credentials.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's saying the same thing. And maybe the credentials of the lineage, and credentials of the teacher, is they have tremendous fearless attitude, to pull the carpet under your feet. Maybe that's the credential; fearlessly going to execute.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: But my question is not whether these credentials are good or bad--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No, but--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: --but why do you appear to have them?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, because I'm not afraid of pulling a carpet under your feet. [Laughter] Not that I am good or bad. But that's the non-dualistic--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: Credential.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Credential, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: So you have credential.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Sure, I do have credential, yeah. [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: How can we resolve that with what-- with the problems of [laughing] credentials?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: We could. By destroying *your* credential. [Laughter] And then when your credential is destroyed, that you don't think that I have a credential anymore at all.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: Even fearlessness?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, even fearless is, you know, open. So you are fighting with space.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: [Laughs]I give up! [laughter; Trungpa Rinpoche laughs].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662#t=2462.0,2740.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662/transcript/42724/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 10]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: If you don't have a point of reference anymore, then the idea that you have credentials becomes irrelevant.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Irrelevant, yeah, definitely irrelevant, yeah. That's not the point!\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: Right. [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662#t=2740.0,2758.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662/transcript/42724/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 11]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: But what about the movement in the defining of the space [INAUDIBLE WORDS] --\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I don't see any problems with that. Do you?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: I would see that there's a value within that, or a certain beauty.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, that's credential then. You don't still swim in the space, you have some carpet under your little feet. [Rings gong][Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662#t=2758.0,2788.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662/transcript/42724/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 12]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: But why can't you have lots of credentials? Why can't you have a whole *wardrobe* of credentials? And so--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Everybody does.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: And so you can just put them on, put them off, throw them away, do this, wear them out.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Everybody does.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: And so they really have no meaning. I mean the fact that you use them and you wear them out?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, unfortunately.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: And so they-- Unfortunate or fortunate?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Unfortunately, from your point of view.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: That you wear them out?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: No, I wouldn't think so. I think it would be very nice *to* wear them out. You know, it's [INAUDIBLE]--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I don't know, even that is in itself credential.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: Well, I understand *that*, you see, but somewhere along the line, you've got to be back there *at a point*. [Laughter] You are going to pass through it. You know. But it's not necessarily that-- I mean it's only a point that's passed through.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Passed through?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: Well, I mean going from one side to the other, you have to pass through a neutral point.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You don't have a neutral point, as well as you-- as long as you have some credentials.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: Pardon?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: As long as you have some credentials, or trust in the credentials, you don't have a neutral place.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: Well, I mean but if you-- but if when you reach in that neutral place, and you say therefore you do not need a credential.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Which neutral place you are talking about?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: That is in between.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: There's no between!\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: What? Nothing in between reality, non-reality, that point where they don't exist?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, the idea of credential is that you would like to carpet all along. That you could have a wall to wall carpet, from the reality to the unreality. So there's no room.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: But there's--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Unless the whole floor falls part. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: Well. But there has to be one point where one goes to the other!\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: There doesn't have to be.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: Well, there doesn't *have* to be but there generally is, isn't there? [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Not really. Not really.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: Well, I mean therefore, there is the point is that everything is exactly the same, reality, non-reality, ego, nonego--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: --these are absolutely the same!\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Sure, that's what I'm trying to say, is *everything* is a credential.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: *Everything* is the credential.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: So you have to give up the *whole* thing.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: So you give up everything, and then you've got-- TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: *Precisely*.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: --on other hand, [INAUDIBLE WORDS]--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, precisely.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: There's a roomful of them!\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: A roomful of them.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It doesn't matter, the whole continent full of it. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: Of course.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's what I precisely mean. That we could have a credential area, of your bad and intelligent, non-credential area of credentials. And then credential coming up. But whole thing is a hoax. So, that's what I precisely mean, unless the carpet pulled under your feet, which is the whole floor drops.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: What's the floor?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: And the earth doesn't exist anymore, earth begin to boycott you. That you're suspended in outer space.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: But I mean are you going to stay suspended when it's out, or are you going to fall down?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You're going to fall down. [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: But then you're going to start all over all again, with a new set of credentials.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, that's what samsara means.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: But then where does that leave *us*?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Then where is what? SPEAKER14: Where does it leave *us*?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [Laughing] I'm not going to tell you! [Laughter; laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662#t=2788.0,3010.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662/transcript/42724/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 13]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: What's the floor? The carpet?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: The ultimate credential.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: Go on!\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What did you say, gone?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: What's the ultimate credential?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Ultimate credential... That even without credential becomes a credential.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: Oh, even that too.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It's very hard.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: Well, it's not difficult, it's just only the way-- we just want to find a way out of it, that's the only thing.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, even that is credential.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: I understand, but...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You find a carpet everywhere where you go.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: And it's constantly being pulled out from under you.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You could drop the floor, or drop the earth.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662#t=3010.0,3089.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662/transcript/42724/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 14]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER16: We try to find a way out by seeking some enlightened teacher. [Laughter] Sometimes we think he's going to tell us something, maybe not. And that seems to be a way of also parenthetically getting credentials, which we're not supposed to want. But what's the difference between us seeking teaching from a master, and that master having sought the teaching from his master? Wasn't he also seeking credentials? In a sense?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's depends on the master. If map's made for the master, is portfolios full of credentials.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER16: But the-- very act of teaching is not-- of seeking teaching is not necessarily an attempt to get credentials. It depends on the student as well.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That becomes one. In other word if the master begin to make promises or reward. \"If you practice my way, then you become enlightened person.\" Then that's a credential.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662#t=3089.0,3163.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662/transcript/42724/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 15]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER17: What's validating all the credentials?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Its own absurdity.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER17: Where does one go to have one's credentials made invalid? [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Say that again.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER18: Where does one go to have one's own credentials made invalid?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [laughs] That sounds a very suspicious one. You don't get anywhere. You have to give up hope.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662#t=3163.0,3192.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662/transcript/42724/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 16]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER19: What does it mean to be an enlightened person?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Your guess is as good as mine. [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662#t=3192.0,3200.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662/transcript/42724/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 17]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER20: Can a person *with* credentials recognize a person operating *without* credentials [INAUDIBLE WORDS] --\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Say that again.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER20: Can a person who is operating *with* credentials recognize a person who is operating *without* credentials?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Probably not. Without credentials, regarded, as far as they are concerned as credential -- enviable situation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662#t=3200.0,3230.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662/transcript/42724/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 18]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER21: If you say that credentials are illusory, why do you use the word \"credentials\"? Why not just say [INAUDIBLE] or \"foibles\", or you know--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I could say anything. I could say, \"cat\" [laughter], or \"shit.\" [Laughter] But still it means something. So why not use the real word? [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER21: Wouldn't you have to put some credence, some faith, in [INAUDIBLE WORDS]--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I don't think so. It's straightforward, it's straight-talking.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662#t=3230.0,3272.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662/transcript/42724/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 19]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER22: Why pull the carpet?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER22: Why pull the carpet from under others' feet?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I mean that's a question-- questionable. What do you think? What would you say?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER22: Well I wish you wouldn't have to.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Because of what?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER22: Because the other person falls and hurts himself.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: If other person doesn't fall, and didn't hurt himself, then what happens?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER22: But he does, if you pull.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No, but if you didn't-- if the carpet didn't pull out, then what happens?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER22: I don't know, I haven't experienced it. Carpet always has been pulled.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Anybody has a comment on that?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: Here would be die of boredom.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Who said that? [Laughter] You be die of boredom?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: Die of boredom!\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Not necessarily, all kinds of excitement. You could have parties on your carpet. You could have all kinds of excitement shows.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER24: You wouldn't learn anything.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER24: You wouldn't learn anything if the carpet wasn't pulled out from under you.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Would you say that?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER24: Pardon?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I'm asking her.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER22: Would I say that?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Would you learn anything out of...\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER22: Yes, I'd learn how to fall. I learn how to pull.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You can learn how to fall?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER22: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: But that's very genteel art.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER22: I learn how to pull also.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, then that becomes exercise in theater act. You learn how to fall, you learn how to be angry, everything becomes a part of the show.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662#t=3272.0,3401.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662/transcript/42724/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 20]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER25: Do you have a choice not to pull the carpet?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You have what?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER25: Do you have a choice not to pull out the carpet?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Do I have choice--?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER25: Not to pull out the carpet from underneath?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Sure. That's my credential. [Laughter] And proud of it!\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER26: Could you elaborate on what you mean by you have a choice?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER26: Could you elaborate on what you mean by saying that you have a choice?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I don't think that's safe to say; otherwise I said another credential.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662#t=3401.0,3434.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662/transcript/42724/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 21]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER27: How do you hurt yourself, when you're-- when the carpet is taken away?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER28: You lose your equilibrium.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You lose what?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER27: Your equilibrium.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: E-qui-li-brium. What does that mean?\r\n\r\n\r\nAUDIENCE: Balance.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Balance? What is balance?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER28: [INAUDIBLE WORDS].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER29: [INAUDIBLE WORDS] question.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER30: No, it's [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER31: Having everything in relation to a certain point.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, yeah. I mean if you going to take your shopping trip in the Macy's -- Macy's? -- you might lose your balance, because you have no credentials. But at the same time you might do better shopping trip, if you have no shopping-- no credentials.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662#t=3434.0,3496.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662/transcript/42724/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 22]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER31: Is-- Rinpoche, is there an aspect of ourselves, say like buddha-nature that we talk of, that actually wants or is gratified by having the carpet pulled out from under us? That finds something appropriate, or something satisfying or right about that space? Something in us that recognizes that space as being good? Is there like-- what is this, you know, like what is it about having the carpet pulled out from under us, that we want, that we seek? I mean obviously we come here in order-- or we speak to you in order to have that, exactly that thing happen.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think that's still seeking for credentials.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER31: Like a kind of spiritual materialism.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. But our gathering here are basis on the spiritual materialism, obviously. You might be able to take a chance, opportunity, to short-circuit that, as well at the same time.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER31: How?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: By providing no credentials.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER31: Does that mean having no expectations?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No, not exactly. Credential is like what she said, that there's no balance, it's very fearful situation. It's very threatening.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER31: So it's being *in* that fear, it's being in that threatening situation which--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, I mean threat or fear seem to play important part in that. That if you lose your equilibrium, very threatening. But maybe you *have* to lose your equilibrium, to develop fundamental, ultimate--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER31: Fearlessness?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --situation without credentials.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662#t=3496.0,3641.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662/transcript/42724/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 23]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER32: Is it proper for us to think about the act of being-- falling as an opportunity to experience space and a sort of initiation?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think so. Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER32: Could the fear of losing one's ground lead to insanity?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Lead to what-- insanity? The opposite. San-- insanity is based on ground, or split; duality, reference point. And insanity is usually uncertain as to what's the reference point, what's not the reference point. Whenever-- when there's no reference point *at all*, that's the *sane* situation, opposed to insanity.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER32: It seems perhaps we're all insane now....\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Insane?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER32: Now, in this state.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: As long as we have credentials, we are pretty much freaked out. [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662#t=3641.0,3710.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662/transcript/42724/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 24]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER33: You've spoken about your credentials in the terms of \"those are my credentials.\"\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER33: And-- [unknown incident; laughter] And... I forget who asked the question but a woman said, she said, \"We come here to have the carpet pulled out under our feet.\" Another woman said, \"Why does it have to be pulled out?\" And then you asked her, \"What happens when you fall?\" and she said, \"I learn to pull.\" So she said she learned-- she comes to learn to do what she asked why does it have to happen.\r\n\r\n\r\nAnd those are your-- and you say your credentials-- in other words, we come here in fact, using your metaphor of the musk deer, to indeed-- whether to rob you of your insanity, if credentials are insanity. And I've heard it said that you have spoken about various stages of guru, of hunting the guru, to honeymoon and marriage and divorce and what not. And one of the last stages is where the guru is no longer appeared, or is necessary, or is like a pebble under foot, or something. And yet, when you speak to us about the-- this whole samsaric problem, you speak about it *problematically*. I mean, it comes to my ears as if you're telling me about these various *problems* that we will face. But why do you do that, if it is not problematical at all, it's what is? Why do you speak-- why do you teach in terms of problems that we will face, or problems in buddhadharma in America, if in fact we see that the whole knot is inescapable? And if it's inescapable, where lies the problem?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well the problem lies that we talk about in terms of escape or *in*-escapable.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER33: So when you mention--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: And those two are dualistic views. And that's the problem.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER33: So then when you speak --\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: So the whole point after that, is that we might give up altogether the question of the whole thing.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER33: In other words when you speak to us in terms that sound like they're illustrating problems, we should not be concerned with their solution?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You should be *highly* concerned about the solution. You *should*. You should feel extremely threatened by that description. You should be highly paranoid by it. You *should*.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER33: But should I be concerned about the solution to paranoia?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You should. Definitely you should.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER33: [Laughs] Why?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: And then you begin to realize the hopelessness of it, you can't get out of it; it becomes more meaningful. And then you begin to give up the whole thing. I think every step is important: that we are trapped, you should be taking that very seriously, we are trapped. And the second message is we are trapped but there's no hope, of saving you. That should be taken very seriously as well. But then next thing is having taken that seriously you begin to give up hope. And then you might find some understanding why the duality is presenting problem, rather than the issue, of the current situation.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER33: But still, you seem to be *teaching* us -- or whether or not you're teaching us -- there's this thing floating in the room that there's something inescapable that should be escaped. Which you have--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER33: --laid down.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --something-- something inescapable. Should--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER33: That we should be concerned about it.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --should be-- we should-- you should be concerned about. And should give into it.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER33: In other words not be concerned about our concern.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's very-- something [laughing] like that, yeah. [Laughter] Yeah. Give up hope. In order to tell someone to give up hope, you have to start with the raising hope. Then telling the *fear* of it. And then fundamentally, finally we say that whole thing is hopeless, why don't you give up?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER33: And if I learn the skills of what you've just said, and I can practice them, I will have hopeless credentials all over again.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: So what? There's no problem about that. But still, you have credentials, you should watch for that. Meditators here in Dharmadhatu have credentials, they have goal to meet, practice to perform, things to develop; they should be learning something, reading scriptures, having discussion groups, having nyinthuns, credentials after credentials; some kind of practice has developed. That's okay.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER33: Then what about buddhadharma without credentials?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That is innate.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER33: Innate.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It goes along with that. That everybody, more or less suspect that what they're doing had to be cut down at some point. They be razed to dust, some point. Knowing that they're working on the credentials but their credentials be cut down.\r\n\r\n\r\nIn other word, you can't develop, you can't pull carpet under your feet if there's nobody on the top. Person is on the top is very important, to create the relative reference point of [laughing]view. So that there *will* be somebody who you could carpet under their feet, and they regard that as important message. Again you could say, \"Of course, that's credential,\" but then we begin very clumsily. Nobody is enlightened already so therefore we have to work with the confused mind, present another confusion, and go along and go along, go along. Until whole thing wears out like shoe.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662#t=3710.0,4163.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662/transcript/42724/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 25]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER34: Does the buddha-mind ever clear itself of duality, just like that, or is it always hard to work that's required?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I wouldn't say there's a sudden glim-- sudden glimpse. It takes small portion and develops into a bigger expansion.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER34: Also, do you have any particular feelings about drugs, like LSD? Whether they're any use at all, for temporary glimpses?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I don't see LSD provides temporary glimpses of buddha-nature, [laughing] particularly. It provides tremendous confusion and the ultimate samsara. And maybe you might learn something out of *that*, as a reference point, to what the other side might be. But--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER34: What do you mean by the ultimate samsara?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Extremely magnified confusion. 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Thank you.\r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. 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unstable","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662#t=2032.309,2035.169"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662/transcript/42725/annotation/441","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and you have to keep on\nworking to reinforce","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662#t=2035.169,2038.069"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662/transcript/42725/annotation/442","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and extend it\nor it's no 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That's my credential.\n[Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662#t=3411.17,3418.065"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662/transcript/42725/annotation/792","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And proud of it!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662#t=3418.065,3420.98"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/89672/file/185662/transcript/42725/annotation/793","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER26: Could you elaborate\non what you 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