{"@context":"http://iiif.io/api/presentation/3/context.json","id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/iiif/154dn40q66/manifest","type":"Manifest","label":{"en":["1980-12-27: Naropa Institute: Interview for Foreword to \"Buddhist and Western Psychology\""]},"logo":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/209/original/cti-library-logo-blue-text.png?1672724952","metadata":[{"label":{"en":["Date"]},"value":{"en":["1980-12-27"]}},{"label":{"en":["Format"]},"value":{"en":["Audio"]}},{"label":{"en":["Location"]},"value":{"en":["Boulder, Colorado, USA"]}},{"label":{"en":["Event Type"]},"value":{"en":["Interview"]}},{"label":{"en":["Seminar or Series Title"]},"value":{"en":["\u003ca href=\"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/playlists/245/show\"\u003eNaropa Institute: Psychology and Psychotherapy Events\u003c/a\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Talk Title"]},"value":{"en":["Interview for Foreword to \"Buddhist and Western Psychology\""]}},{"label":{"en":["Theme"]},"value":{"en":["Psychology and Psychotherapy"]}},{"label":{"en":["Summary"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eAn interview with Chogyam Trungpa conducted by Reginald Ray and Edward Podvoll, for the book BUDDHIST AND WESTERN PSYCHOLOGY by professor and writer Nathan Katz. Trungpa Rinpoche recounts his first impressions of Western psychologists and psychology at Oxford; working with mentally disturbed people at Samye Ling; and his study of Christian meditation. Notes some challenges that Western psychologists face in incorporating Buddhist principles into their practice including confusion around the word \"egolessness\", and the relationship between theory and practice in applying Buddhist psychology. He suggests that Buddhism is attractive to Western psychologists because of its openness, acceptance, and depth of study of mind. But notes that study of Buddhism without practice loses much of its essence, so suggests some degree of practice as important for Western psychologists.\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication"]},"value":{"en":["BOOK: Sanity We are Born With","BOOK: Collected Works Vol 02"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication Details"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eBOOK: THE SANITY WE ARE BORN WITH: Prelude: \"The Meeting of Buddhist and Western Psychology\"\u003cbr\u003e-- from \u003ca href=\"https://www.shambhala.com/the-sanity-we-are-born-with-1298.html\"\u003eShambhala Publications\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eBOOK: COLLECTED WORKS VOL. 2: Selected Writings: The Meeting of Buddhist and Western Psychology\u003cbr\u003e-- from \u003ca href=\"https://www.shambhala.com/the-collected-works-of-chogyam-trungpa-383.html\"\u003eShambhala Publications\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eOriginally published in BUDDHIST AND WESTERN PSYCHOLOGY (out-of-print), Foreword, pp 1-7. Edited by Nathan Katz.\u003cbr\u003e-- from \u003ca href=\"https://www.abebooks.com/products/isbn/9780877737582\"\u003eAbebooks\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Transcription Credits"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eNov 25 2020 to Dec 23 2021 Transcribing: Ella Milligan Checking: Al SanValentin Final Proof: Anne Seidlitz Other Contributors: Lynn Friedman\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["© Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved. Not to be Distributed or Reproduced."]}},{"label":{"en":["Year"]},"value":{"en":["1980"]}}],"summary":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eAn interview with Chogyam Trungpa conducted by Reginald Ray and Edward Podvoll, for the book BUDDHIST AND WESTERN PSYCHOLOGY by professor and writer Nathan Katz. Trungpa Rinpoche recounts his first impressions of Western psychologists and psychology at Oxford; working with mentally disturbed people at Samye Ling; and his study of Christian meditation. Notes some challenges that Western psychologists face in incorporating Buddhist principles into their practice including confusion around the word \"egolessness\", and the relationship between theory and practice in applying Buddhist psychology. He suggests that Buddhism is attractive to Western psychologists because of its openness, acceptance, and depth of study of mind. But notes that study of Buddhism without practice loses much of its essence, so suggests some degree of practice as important for Western psychologists.\u003c/p\u003e"]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["© Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved. Not to be Distributed or Reproduced."]}},"provider":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["Chogyam Trungpa Digital Library"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["Chogyam Trungpa Digital Library"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/209/original/cti-library-logo-blue-text.png?1672724952","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/163/594/small/Logo-Audio-Red.png?1666472196","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 1 - 19801227VCTR2-Audio-Prod-CTICustRmstr-Access.mp3"]},"duration":2492.81306,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/163/594/small/Logo-Audio-Red.png?1666472196","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594/content/1/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-cti.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/163/594/original/19801227VCTR2-Audio-Prod-CTICustRmstr-Access.mp3?1659070869","type":"Audio","format":"audio/mpeg","duration":2492.81306,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594/transcript/41070","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["19801227VCTR2-Transcript-Timed [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594/transcript/41070/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[19801227VCTR2-NaropaInstitute-1980-Boulder-InterviewForPsychologyArticle]  \r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]\r\n\r\n\r\nCTI SLATE: This is the Venerable Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche. Media interview given in Boulder, Colorado, on December 27th, 1980, for a magazine article. This is a CTI custom remaster made November, 2020.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594#t=0.0,18.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594/transcript/41070/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: INTRODUCTION]\r\n\r\n\r\nREGINALD RAY: I think it's okay.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: All right.\r\n\r\n\r\nREGINALD RAY: Yeah. Well, so, let's see this thing... [INAUDIBLE WORDS] \r\n\r\n\r\nWell sir, this is Nathan Katz's book. [Buddhist and Western Psychology] Do you remember what's-- what that is about?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. Vaguely, yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nREGINALD RAY: Shambhala is going to publish it so we'll have a chance to work closely with the whole contents, which is I think good.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nREGINALD RAY: And most of the book seems to be philosophically oriented. Which seems okay, but on the other hand, I think this article could provide a real counterbalance, to people in this country who tend to think that Buddhist psychology is just an intellectual exercise. And what we would like to do, I'd like to just go over the outline of what we think we should do for that, see you should think.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: This is a-- we are going to write?\r\n\r\n\r\nREGINALD RAY: Well actually, I thought this would be by you.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594#t=18.0,84.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594/transcript/41070/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"REGINALD RAY: And Doctor Podvoll and I would act as editors.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I see.\r\n\r\n\r\nREGINALD RAY: It would be similar to the JOURNAL OF PSYCHOLOGY, you know, psychology journal articles.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I see, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nREGINALD RAY: But the idea here would be to try to do a wider circulation and more sort of public presentation as opposed to writing somewhat for ourselves.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm, mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nREGINALD RAY: So...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594#t=84.0,105.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594/transcript/41070/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"REGINALD RAY: We'd like to do a little background first, and then go through ground, path, and fruition of Buddhist psychology. And then talk a little bit about the challenge that Buddhism poses to Western psychology. That's what-- we'll be talking about that throughout.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nREGINALD RAY: And we thought that today we could get a kind of outline for the whole article, from you. And then we can go back and take things out of-- you talked about these things before, and we thought we could fill the article out a little bit by pulling things out of some of the other things.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nREGINALD RAY: Does that seem okay?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That seems fine.\r\n\r\n\r\nREGINALD RAY: You close enough in here so you can...?\r\n\r\n\r\nREGINALD RAY: First of all, does the question and answer thing seem all right? I can ask you questions, and--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's fine, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nREGINALD RAY: --we could edit that out later if we want too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594#t=105.0,161.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594/transcript/41070/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 1]\r\n\r\n\r\nREGINALD RAY: Do you have any-- why is it that in the West, Buddhism has been viewed as a psychology? What would you say that it is about Buddhism that has so attracted Western psychologists? Of *all* the religious traditions of mankind, it seems Buddhism more than any other.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594#t=161.0,184.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594/transcript/41070/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I suppose one of the things is that somewhat Buddhism has been tolerant, in the East, when the Christians went, missionaries went, and they had been hospitable and tolerant. And also somewhat enigmatic -- particularly coming from the Zen traditions, that there has been an enigmatic aspect of it, and sort of something very profound. And obviously it is not connected with the theistic notions, so there must be some profound philosophy behind it. So I think it's a very simple one in some sense, that way. So the acceptance and openness; on the top of that the profundity, which made people perhaps very-- made very strong opinions, impressions on people.\r\n\r\n\r\nREGINALD RAY: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Something like that. And I don't know exactly, but from a very superficial point of view, in some sense. And also I think like madhyamaka philosophy, of no ego, and practice of meditation, and the notion of enlightenment; all of them are very foreign to people. Therefore, it is very tantalizing to people; they're wishing they could capture something.\r\n\r\n\r\nREGINALD RAY: Mhmm. Right.\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: Excuse me, what do you want to be in the procession?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [Whispering] I don't think so.\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: Not necessary. [INAUDIBLE]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594#t=184.0,299.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594/transcript/41070/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 2]\r\n\r\n\r\nREGINALD RAY: One of the interesting things about Buddhist psychology seems to be that it has a very elaborate description of mind, which appeals to philosophers in the West, but it's also very practical. And I was wondering if you could say something about the relationship between the tremendously sophisticated philosophy and also practice. Was it-- is it possible to study Buddhist psychology purely philosophically, do you think there's a value to that?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think once you begin to do that you lose a lot of essence of it. Because the original idea, like study of abhidharma and everything is based on a basic practice of shamatha-vipashyana, or *some* kind of mindfulness training, is based on the top of that; then you begin to study the prajna aspect of it.\r\n\r\n\r\nREGINALD RAY: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: So the-- to begin with you have \"shila\", discipline. And then you have \"samadhi\", and then you have \"prajna\", after that. So which makes the whole thing hangs together. So once you don't have those three situations put together, I think that's one of the problems that the people begin to abuse quite a lot.\r\n\r\n\r\nREGINALD RAY: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594#t=299.0,385.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594/transcript/41070/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 3]\r\n\r\n\r\nREGINALD RAY: Do you think that in the West, if a Western psychologist wants to study Buddhism -- which is what this book is about actually, many of the articles are Western psychologists or people trying to write purely academic articles -- do you think such a person would have to become a Buddhist before they could really properly apply these kind of ideas?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, they don't have to *become* a Buddhist as such, but they have to have a good taste of the Buddhism. At least they could spend three or four months of intensive practice of meditation. Or something like that.\r\n\r\n\r\nREGINALD RAY: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think something like that would be a tremendous help. Otherwise there would be a misunderstanding, and lot of guesswork. And anything that they don't understand would be interpreted through their means of Christian understanding","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594#t=385.0,435.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594/transcript/41070/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 4]\r\n\r\n\r\nREGINALD RAY: Hmm. Do you think-- how much in Tibet were those two kept together, the practice and the study, practice and theory?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well pretty much together when-- I think right at the beginning. Quite a lot.\r\n\r\n\r\nREGINALD RAY: So there's always a strong tradition in Tibet.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Very strong, very strong tradition. Definitely, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594#t=435.0,457.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594/transcript/41070/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 5]\r\n\r\n\r\nREGINALD RAY: Sir, that-- we wanted to ask you about, when you first had contact with Western psychology, when that was. Was that in England?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. It was in England. Oxford.\r\n\r\n\r\nREGINALD RAY: Were you-- what were your first impressions of those people, the Western people?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, it was very interesting because in some sense it's very easy, because they don't ask you to practice but they just tell you right away, so which is very easy in some sense. And they're willing to give *away*.\r\n\r\n\r\nREGINALD RAY: [Laughs] I see.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You know, which is [laughing] in some sense a relief; if they're going to tell you to be converted first, you know [laughs], that would be somewhat a challenge or difficult. So in some sense it's very easy and straightforward. But then you begin to wonder, as well at the same time, their profundity.\r\n\r\n\r\nREGINALD RAY: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594#t=457.0,517.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594/transcript/41070/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 6]\r\n\r\n\r\nED PODVOLL: Did you feel there was anything of value, in the Western psychology that you were introduced to in England?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, there is a very interesting way of thinking about things. And basically even they criticize Christianity itself as well. So from that point of view it's almost like a Buddhist logic-type study, which is quite an interesting one. They re-examine their own tradition, as well. Which is one of the interesting part of it. Which is quite good, from their point of view.\r\n\r\n\r\nREGINALD RAY: Did you feel that they were phenomenological in that way; they just looked at what was happening, the best ones? Did they talk about that--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes, well the only problem is that then they wanted to have some sort of \"proof\", scientific proof.\r\n\r\n\r\nED PODVOLL: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's the problematic one. Otherwise seemed to be quite good.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594#t=517.0,572.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594/transcript/41070/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 7]\r\n\r\n\r\nREGINALD RAY: When you were at Samye Ling, I think I remember you went up to-- or went down to R.D. Laing's center. Is that my-- do I remember correctly? Or he sent people up to you or...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well... something like that. I don't remember exactly how the timing went, but some people visited us, yes. Samye Ling, mhmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594#t=572.0,604.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594/transcript/41070/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"REGINALD RAY: Was that the beginnings of your sort of working with mentally disturbed people, or was that just a highlight?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well not particularly. There are a lot of people who are actually came to Samye Ling, who were come from all sorts of different therapy of all sorts of background, they came to. And a lot of them are quite neurotic, and they hope that will be cured.\r\n\r\n\r\nREGINALD RAY: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: And sort of looked up on as physicians or doctors, and that sort of medicine approach, cure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594#t=604.0,640.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594/transcript/41070/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"REGINALD RAY: Mhmm. Was that-- did that work particularly, with them or?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well... somewhat. It's more of a theoretical, rather than actually able to work with their neurosis: you know, they wouldn't work with their neurosis, they want to understand it.\r\n\r\n\r\nREGINALD RAY: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Why they-- where they went wrong.\r\n\r\n\r\nREGINALD RAY: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: So, it's theoretical in some sense.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594#t=640.0,666.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594/transcript/41070/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 8]\r\n\r\n\r\nREGINALD RAY: I see. When you went down to Oxford, was that -- I can't remember if that was before or after Samye Ling. It was before wasn't it?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Before, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nREGINALD RAY: Had you studied psychology, there?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: We studied a little bit of contemplative practices, like meditation and that kind of thing.\r\n\r\n\r\nREGINALD RAY: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It was that, yeah, quite a lot. Christian meditation. And that was interest-- very interesting. And that gave us very full understanding of how they view their-- our teachings.\r\n\r\n\r\nREGINALD RAY: Mhmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594#t=666.0,717.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594/transcript/41070/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [INAUDIBLE WORDS], that kind of thing. There's a quite a-- in some sense it's very helpful. Particularly when I talk to a lot of the Greek Orthodox people, they were very helpful. That was in Oxford.\r\n\r\n\r\nAnd we had a seminar together with Archbishop Anthony Bloom. And that was also very interesting. On grace, notion of grace. And somebody attacked him, on original sin, and they were quite angry.\r\n\r\n\r\nREGINALD RAY: OK.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, [laughs] they turned and looked at me and say, \"What do you have to say?\" I said, \"Well everything's shunyata.\" [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nREGINALD RAY: They didn't give in?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm?\r\n\r\n\r\nREGINALD RAY: They didn't give in?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: They sort of couldn't give in, but they were sort of being attacked, so they be cornered somewhat, and quite angry.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594#t=717.0,777.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594/transcript/41070/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"REGINALD RAY: That wasn't the Orthodox people was it?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That was the-- yeah Orthodox people, yeah. Yeah. Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nREGINALD RAY: Oh really? Because I think some of them don't really-- the Orthodox people don't seem [INAUDIBLE] much less on original sin than the other ones, than the Roman Catholic.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Orthodox people what?\r\n\r\n\r\nREGINALD RAY: Are much less emphasizing original sin; they emphasize more man's goodness.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes, but they have to--\r\n\r\n\r\nREGINALD RAY: They have to have--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: They have to have-- say something on that basis; otherwise they'll be regarded as heretics that point.\r\n\r\n\r\nREGINALD RAY: That's true.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594#t=777.0,807.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594/transcript/41070/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 9]\r\n\r\n\r\nED PODVOLL: Does it appear that Western psychology is pervaded with a sense of original sin, even though they never conceptualize it in that way?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well there's a lot of sense of people are concerned about they did something wrong, and they're being punished. That sense of guilt or sense of being wounded, is quite all- pervasive; always there. Whether they believe in it such thing or not, there's some sense of that they're being punished, and they did something wrong. There's always that thing. That's why they come to us, and hoping that we could cure them, we could help with something. Something like that.\r\n\r\n\r\nED PODVOLL: Well would you say that in Western psychology, which places so much emphasis on developmental wound, or fault, somewhat, that carries through successively, and snowballs. Do you think that's basically an original sin viewpoint?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Some kind of basic guilt, yes. Which has been-- seem to be handed down through generations, and you feel guilty about it. And it seems that there is-- if there's no notion of guilt, that the teachers would feel that children wouldn't study properly, wouldn't pursue the path properly; they have to have something to push them. So that's the means or techniques they use. And even in the including improving their reading and writing is, \"Look you made a mistake, so what you going to do about it?\" Rather than, “You're improved, you know, your reading.\" That way if you go further.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594#t=807.0,912.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594/transcript/41070/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 10]\r\n\r\n\r\nREGINALD RAY: Sir, do you feel that viewpoint is unnecessary, altogether?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What?\r\n\r\n\r\nREGINALD RAY: That viewpoint, original sin, is unnecessary?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I think that’s makes very much of burdensome to people. It's-- some point it might be necessary to realize one's shortcoming obviously, but if we went too far, it becomes-- it kills any inspiration, altogether. So that makes you, you know, kills your inspiration or vision altogether. So that it’s not very helpful at all.\r\n\r\n\r\nREGINALD RAY: Did that exist in Tibet, that sense of the way we have it?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I don't think so, not that strong, not that heavy. Although obviously there are, you know, \"we should avoid doing mistakes,\" and that kind of things. But not as-- not at that level--\r\n\r\n\r\nREGINALD RAY: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --of that [UNCLEAR: quality?], the sense of punishment.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594#t=912.0,971.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594/transcript/41070/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 11]\r\n\r\n\r\nCHARLES LIEF: So, is there some sense that-- it's interesting this discussion of psychology is actually also a discussion of religion. Are you actually-- would you say that the-- regardless of the way that people talk, from the point of view of Western psychology, that it's still theistic by nature? Because it seems to be implied that regardless--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Regardless of whether they are--?\r\n\r\n\r\nCHARLES LIEF: They talk about not being theistic particularly; in fact they reject that notion.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: But they always have that undertone, always, they seem to have that undertone, definitely yes. If they may not believe in God, but they believe in some kind of mistake.\r\n\r\n\r\nCHARLES LIEF: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nREGINALD RAY: And some kind of ideal that is *without* mistake.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594#t=971.0,1014.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594/transcript/41070/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 12]\r\n\r\n\r\nREGINALD RAY: Yeah. Well that leads us to the question of the ground of Buddhist psychology. And what would you say that is, the sort of basis upon which Buddhist psychology is expounded?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I think the main point is that a basically a sense of how to cut through the karmic chain reactions. And that the temporary habitual patterns are developed through karmic chain reactions, and how to cut through that. So that one can see oneself clearly. That seem to be the one of the basic point. That's why the study of abhidharma is in existence: to learn about one's mind, and how one succeed to next one; one does aware of one's own volitional action snowballs. That seem to be the ground of it, to cut through that.\r\n\r\n\r\nREGINALD RAY: Mhmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594#t=1014.0,1097.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594/transcript/41070/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ED PODVOLL: How is that different from the mistake mentality of the Western approach?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, it's not regarded as particularly-- for one thing, something is fundamentally stained. Fundamentally speaking, it is pure, but there is a temporary obscurations exist. And that can be overcome. And therefore the study of the obscurations themselves; so it's workable and therefore much more workable, than cutting off root of some kind particularly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594#t=1097.0,1149.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594/transcript/41070/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 13]\r\n\r\n\r\nREGINALD RAY: Some people read about that in the Buddhist texts, and they think it's just a theory -- you know, Westerners are so used to seeing everything as simply just theoretical. How could we communicate that this is not something just based on somebody's idea?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I think it comes from-- for instance sitting practice of meditation -- if one worked quite diligently on, for instance like mindfulness practice, consistently, that one begin to make progress, quite rapidly. You begin to become mindful and aware of things quite rapidly. So you begin to make very literal progress, so things are not all that deep-rooted.\r\n\r\n\r\nREGINALD RAY: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: And you begin to develop some sense of clarity, as you go on.\r\n\r\n\r\nREGINALD RAY: So it seems that that's the training of a therapist in a way.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594#t=1149.0,1211.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594/transcript/41070/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"REGINALD RAY: So it seems like you're saying that no person could be a-- could really click into the Buddhist approach unless they actually work on themselves and develop that clarity themselves?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well they have to have some taste of that I think. They may not believe themselves as Buddhist, but they have to have some understanding of that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594#t=1211.0,1230.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594/transcript/41070/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 14]\r\n\r\n\r\nREGINALD RAY: Yeah. And then if we could move to the path of the process. In the training of a therapist, what do you think the relationship should be between their actual practice and their theory? So the question we always ask at Naropa, \"What's the proper relationship?\" How much of each should they do?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Between the...?\r\n\r\n\r\nREGINALD RAY: The sort of theoretical study, where they study in the classrooms, and then when they actually do their practice and their Maitri program and so on.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well that could be almost equal in some sense. That the theoretical study is not so much of convincing yourself but developing clarity, as to how the system works. So once you begin to realize that then you begin to develop some understanding of yourself, how *your* mind work that way as well. So then it begin to help each other that way, so it becomes more *real*, in both sense.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594#t=1230.0,1292.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594/transcript/41070/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"REGINALD RAY: Do you think that-- now our students are encouraged to practice. And they do this Maitri program for fourteen weeks: they do a four-week dathun, and then they do ten weeks of postures. Do you think that's enough, or do you think we should be doing more? Because that's only what, ten weeks out of what -- a how many week-program, so not that much, it's like-- should we doing more, more practice?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I think question of it's not so much of spending too much time particularly alone, but it’s a question of how much emphasis they put on, when they do the practice itself. If they're wholeheartedly doing it, with the actual practices is intense enough and wholehearted enough. And out of the theoretical understanding, probably they will pick up quite easily I would think.\r\n\r\n\r\nED PODVOLL: There is an ongoing discipline that they--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Which goes everyday life situation, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594#t=1292.0,1350.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594/transcript/41070/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 15]\r\n\r\n\r\nED PODVOLL: There is-- well, one of the problems of this book, of which this is a chapter, is that a lot of the articles seem to be talking about the tremendous profundity and complexity of nature of mind from Buddhist point of view. And I think one of the obstacles that Western psychologists have towards this sort of thing, is that they say well, \"Eastern psychology or philosophy is the study of the nature of mind through one's meditation practice,\" and they say, \"Western psychology has another kind of path, to study the nature of mind. And that's through the interpersonal process, when you don't have to look at your own mind, alone. That you can see the nature of mind in the interactional process between people, and that that's sufficient.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594#t=1350.0,1415.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594/transcript/41070/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. Well, I think that we should look at abhidharma situations. That you have first, how mind evolves itself, how they work in themselves, in the first half of it. Then the second half of it is how that mind begin to respond to things that happens from outside. So that sort of is like, first like how the child grows, and after the child is-- becomes a teenager and begin to explore the world. So that kind of situation, which is always half and half in some sense. But in order to realize the interpersonal relationships you have to know *how* you started at the beginning. And once you know the style of one's own evolution of mind, then you begin to know how the style is going to be worked with dealing with others at the same time. So which comes natural. But I think you have to start with studying the one's own mind to begin with. And then you will understand *more* about how interaction takes place, which becomes almost self-explanatory. And it's natural, because then you-- interaction means someone has developed another mind already: in that way you have developed *your* mind that way as well, so the two minds begin to bounce with each other. So there is no such thing as \"outside mind\" and \"inside mind\" particularly at all, so mind is being two minds meeting together. Which is same mind [laughing] in some sense.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594#t=1415.0,1518.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594/transcript/41070/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 16]\r\n\r\n\r\nREGINALD RAY: I'd like to ask Doctor Podvoll a question if I may.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nREGINALD RAY: Would you say in the-- in your Freudian training that there *is* that hinayanic ground, or do they-- or were you referring to that when you said that interpersonal [UNCLEAR: in a way?].\r\n\r\n\r\nED PODVOLL: No I wasn't referring to that. I think there is actually some authentic discipline going on, in the best of Western psychological traditions. The discipline of an interpersonal relationship; some sense of dignity about that can be-- is taking place. But I was thinking more of-- I think that the whole roots of Western psychology are based on the idea that the interpersonal process *can* reveal the nature of mind in itself. That it exposes neurosis, and it can heal neurosis by exposing and undoing. But that's getting back to undoing the basic mistake.\r\n\r\n\r\nREGINALD RAY: Hmm. Well I suppose as Buddhists we would say that it's a hit and miss situation, in Western psychology: sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. And they're missing the fundamental *strong* ground you are talking about.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594#t=1518.0,1590.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594/transcript/41070/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well yes, the main point is that I think in the Buddhist point of view one has to do a thorough study of the whole structure to begin with, in any case. And then you begin to work with the workings of it, so then you have a *complete* understanding of it, hundred percent understanding of the *whole* thing. So you have no chance of missing anything at all.\r\n\r\n\r\nREGINALD RAY: Mhmm, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: So that seem to be the point.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594#t=1590.0,1619.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594/transcript/41070/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 17]\r\n\r\n\r\nREGINALD RAY: Sir, is there a vajrayana dimension to psychology, or do you think it's mainly hinayana and mahayana?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, vajrayana dimension is seem to be purely mainly point of how to *cut* the strong neurosis; how to transform them. Rather than the study of it. Study is basically the mahayana product, seems to be mainly. And the question is how to apply the four karma activities, like pacifying, magnetizing, that kind of thing.\r\n\r\n\r\nREGINALD RAY: On the part of the therapist.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594#t=1619.0,1659.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594/transcript/41070/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 18]\r\n\r\n\r\nREGINALD RAY: Yeah, I see. One of the biggest confusions that comes up, or big obstacle for Western therapists when they hear about egolessness, they-- somehow it creates tremendous confusion. And I wondered if you could say something about how that, why that's important in Buddhism: that concept and what it means in therapy, why egolessness is important.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594#t=1659.0,1687.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594/transcript/41070/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well to begin with so that you don't create a deaf and dumb situation: that when you let go, you genuinely let go, so that you don't recreate -- after you let go you don't rebuild immediately afterwards, another shell. So you just once you let go you just won't start all over again. So that seem to be almost a security measure, basically speaking: that you don't rebuild again at all. That seem to be the basic point. And also then, in order to express real genuine sense of sympathy to others. You can't have ego with sympathy with it, because then that means your sympathy goes along with some sort of defense mechanism goes with it as well, or desire to trying to bring things back to your possession, so that whole thing hasn't become very genuine and sort of generous and free style. So that's why egolessness is synonymous to compassion, that sense, from Buddhist point of view, of realizing they're right-- karuna is can be only be developed if there's no ego involved.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594#t=1687.0,1773.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594/transcript/41070/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"REGINALD RAY: So that again brings up the need to undo oneself first before you work with other people.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, mhmm. Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nREGINALD RAY: So, by ego we mean habitual patterns, or some kind of blockage; always trying to hold onto [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, yeah. Recreating karma, again.\r\n\r\n\r\nREGINALD RAY: Mhmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594#t=1773.0,1798.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594/transcript/41070/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 19]\r\n\r\n\r\nED PODVOLL: Well that's probably the most difficult point of communication with Western psychology, is the notion of ego. On the one hand, when you look closely at all your available multitude of notions of ego in Western psychology, they become pretty hollow, that people are grasping for some notion of what ego really is. On the other hand, if we talk about non-ego, it seems to be very threatening. More so to psychologists than one would originally expect. But they become extremely frightened about that. It's not clear why, but that seems to be this most vulnerable point in the whole Western psychological system.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nED PODVOLL: And they keep trying to shore that up with one theory about ego after another.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nED PODVOLL: And we've-- it's been-- for the past few years we've had trouble, trying to talk at that level, and so we've skirted the issue, more or less. But it seems that that's--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594#t=1798.0,1878.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594/transcript/41070/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think main point if you could discuss from a point of view of sympathy, and loving. If you could discuss from that point of view, probably is much more understandable.\r\n\r\n\r\nED PODVOLL: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Rather than, \"If you love somebody you shouldn't have any ulterior motives,\" for instance. [UNCLEAR: Open love?] Rather than, \"If you are in love, you then-- you should give me lots of money.\" Or, you know, anything like that. So, probably that point is much better. I think therefore the two-fold egolessness is more strongly emphasized in the mahayana Buddhism particularly. Much more so. So the most way of being gentle is without ego. So that's more positive rather than just becoming nothing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594#t=1878.0,1935.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594/transcript/41070/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 20]\r\n\r\n\r\nREGINALD RAY: Sir, do you think that the ego, individual people's egos in the West, is that a-- do you think that's a different situation from what exists in the Buddhist cultures, somewhat different?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Not particularly; I don't think so. That's just general--\r\n\r\n\r\nREGINALD RAY: Human.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --human thing. And the same thing could apply to animals too. And also equally their capabilities of extending their love. It's said in Buddhist literatures that, same, you know, the most vicious animals are capable of extending love. It's [laughing] same thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594#t=1935.0,1975.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594/transcript/41070/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"REGINALD RAY: Yeah. But in Buddhist cultures, there is some sense of that egolessness is basically the fundamental thing.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nREGINALD RAY: Whereas in the West, there's *no* sense of it: people are just scrambling, you know, panicking, because they don't know anything, up from down.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594#t=1975.0,1992.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594/transcript/41070/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well that's purely educational role. Or also because of the world-- whole world is begin to become a mercenary world -- sociologically maybe. That, you know, everybody had to be a mercenary of some kind, otherwise you can't survive in the West. Whereas in the Buddhist countries like in Tibet, maybe one third of them are mercenaries but rest of them are just farmers and artists and monks and nuns and you know, they don't do buying and selling. So maybe sociologically different.\r\n\r\n\r\nREGINALD RAY: I see.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Maybe something like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594#t=1992.0,2033.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594/transcript/41070/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 21]\r\n\r\n\r\nREGINALD RAY: Do you think Western psychologists can learn, do you think they're--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: They *should* be able to; I think so.\r\n\r\n\r\nREGINALD RAY: Yeah, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: In fact it could be quite revolutionary actually. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nED PODVOLL: Takes over the planet.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes. [Laughs; laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594#t=2033.0,2050.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594/transcript/41070/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"REGINALD RAY: Sir, if a Western psychologist wants to learn about Buddhism, he might be afraid that he would have to just throw over all of his past training and his theories. Do you think that *is* the case or--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well you don't throw away your past trainings anyway. You just learn what you pick-- maintain what you learned, and you correct what you've learned as well at the same time. So whatever virtue that you've learned is maintained; whatever mistakes you've learned you get rid of anyway. 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They have, you know, people being trained from childhood to be precise and mindful and very careful, and you know, they are great artists, great craftsmen, great statesmen; in fact much more skillful than elsewhere.\r\n\r\n\r\nREGINALD RAY: Yeah. [Laughs; laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [Laughing] So, it seems that way. 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Which in some ways *astounds* Western psychologists. That they had *no* idea that that was going on. On the other hand they ask \"So what? How does knowing that much about the nature of states of consciousness and so on, how does that help you work with people? How do you make that translation into practical application of helping people?\"\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, the more you know about your mind, that therefore you learn about other people's mind too, because your mind and other people's mind is same, in some sense. And you also begin to learn how to appreciate other world, other people's life situations. So your learning mind is not necessarily *your* mind particularly; it's just how to extend your vision, more than just what's there, on the spot. So you begin to more-- your mind is opened more, much more so. So that makes you more skilled, skillful things. And also gives you more sense of warmth, and compassion at the same time as well, so you become more accommodating for others. So when you have both skillful minds and some sort of prajna which makes you more accommodating, so you become good at working with the others.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594#t=2159.0,2278.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594/transcript/41070/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 23]\r\n\r\n\r\nREGINALD RAY: Sir, in the training of a therapist, do you think that-- what would you say, does practice come first? And then out of your discoveries in your own-- of your own mind, and your interest in the study, does it go that way or does it go the other way?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well a person should have some taste of the discipline, first -- little bit of it first. And then maybe learning more. And then maybe further more taste of discipline more. Then learning *lot* more. Then more taste of discipline, so that you begin to appreciate: it's like half eaten sandwich, you know, you appreciate the meat more, if you have more bread in it [laughter], so it goes on side by side that way. 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And also able to spread that kind of energy and influence to others, by not in particularly making everybody into Buddhism as such, but just to basic human-ness quality of it. So that's freedom. So you're not bounded by your animal-ness of it, so you're free from the lower realms. So you become freedom.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594#t=2323.0,2396.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594/transcript/41070/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"REGINALD RAY: Yeah. When we speak this way, Buddhism doesn't really sound like a religion, particularly at all.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Not at all.... Well probably not exactly. Probably not exactly religion, as *they* know it. It doesn't have that kind of definite ethics necessarily, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594#t=2396.0,2416.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594/transcript/41070/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"REGINALD RAY: No. But also, when-- if we consider Buddhism as a psychology, it's-- Mr. Lief's question again, it seems it-- that some kind of spiritual path is inherent in it; you can't avoid that somehow, it seems.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nREGINALD RAY: Well, I think that's great, actually.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Back to square one! 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Okay.\r\n\r\n\r\nED PODVOLL: We're planning to use the talk that you gave at the Psychology Symposium, in '79 [Aug 5th, 1979], in the next issue of the journal.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. That would be good. Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nED PODVOLL: The Regent's also.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That would be good. Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nREGINALD RAY: Well, thank you very much sir.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Okay. You're welcome. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594#t=2441.0,2492.81306"}]},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594/transcript/41071","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["19801227VCTR2-Captions [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594/transcript/41071/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"CTI SLATE: This is the Venerable\nChogyam Trungpa Rinpoche.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594#t=1.13,4.63"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594/transcript/41071/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Media interview\ngiven in Boulder, Colorado,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594#t=4.63,8.58"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594/transcript/41071/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"on December 27th, 1980,\nfor a magazine article.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594#t=8.58,14.63"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594/transcript/41071/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This is a CTI custom\nremaster made November, 2020.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594#t=14.63,19.04"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594/transcript/41071/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"REGINALD RAY:\nI think it's okay.\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: All right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594#t=19.04,21.799"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594/transcript/41071/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"REGINALD RAY: Yeah.\nWell, so,\nlet's see this thing...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594#t=21.799,26.332"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594/transcript/41071/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[INAUDIBLE WORDS]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594#t=26.332,37.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594/transcript/41071/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well sir, this is Nathan Katz's\nbook. [Buddhist and Western\nPsychology]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594#t=37.0,39.64"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594/transcript/41071/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Do you remember what's--\nwhat that is about?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594#t=39.64,41.56"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594/transcript/41071/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE:\nMhmm. Vaguely, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594#t=41.56,44.82"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594/transcript/41071/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"REGINALD RAY:\nShambhala is going to publish it","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594#t=44.82,46.21"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594/transcript/41071/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"so we'll have a chance to work\nclosely with the whole contents,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594#t=46.21,48.94"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594/transcript/41071/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"which is I think good.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594#t=48.94,50.16"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594/transcript/41071/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594#t=50.16,51.69"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594/transcript/41071/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"REGINALD RAY:\nAnd most of the book","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594#t=51.69,53.29"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594/transcript/41071/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"seems to be\nphilosophically oriented.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594#t=53.29,57.53"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594/transcript/41071/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Which seems okay,\nbut on the other hand,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594#t=57.53,61.66"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594/transcript/41071/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think this article could\nprovide a real 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exercise.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594#t=66.55,71.38"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594/transcript/41071/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And what we would like to do,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594#t=71.38,73.15"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594/transcript/41071/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'd like to just go over\nthe 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or\n[INAUDIBLE].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594#t=2443.743,2444.87"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594/transcript/41071/annotation/808","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ED PODVOLL:\nI don't think so.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594#t=2444.87,2447.18"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594/transcript/41071/annotation/809","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"REGINALD RAY:\nThere's some wonderful parts","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594#t=2447.18,2448.61"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594/transcript/41071/annotation/810","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in the first Psychology Journal\narticle that you did.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594#t=2448.61,2450.81"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594/transcript/41071/annotation/811","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594#t=2450.81,2452.02"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594/transcript/41071/annotation/812","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"REGINALD RAY: And, with\nDoctor Podvoll's permission","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594#t=2452.02,2454.72"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594/transcript/41071/annotation/813","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think we could use\nsome of that very well in 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Mhmm. Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594#t=2459.94,2461.94"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594/transcript/41071/annotation/816","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ED PODVOLL:\nWe're planning to use the talk","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594#t=2461.94,2463.95"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594/transcript/41071/annotation/817","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that you gave at\nthe Psychology Symposium,\nin '79 [Aug 5th, 1979],","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594#t=2463.95,2468.52"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594/transcript/41071/annotation/818","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in the next issue\nof the journal.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594#t=2468.52,2470.78"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594/transcript/41071/annotation/819","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE:\nMhmm. That would be good.\nMhmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594#t=2470.78,2474.23"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594/transcript/41071/annotation/820","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ED PODVOLL:\nThe Regent's also.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594#t=2474.23,2476.06"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594/transcript/41071/annotation/821","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE:\nThat would be good. Mhmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594#t=2476.06,2479.16"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594/transcript/41071/annotation/822","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"REGINALD RAY:\nWell, thank you very much sir.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594#t=2479.16,2481.65"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76214/file/163594/transcript/41071/annotation/823","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE:\nOkay. 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