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The concept of orderly chaos: the mandala is orderly in the sense that there is a pattern, and chaotic because we find it confusing to work with. The samsaric mandala is the result of our decision to ignore ourselves and our wisdom. We then create ignorance, the kleshas, the skandhas, the nidanas, karma, etc. The confused mandala is relating to open space by building a fence around it which freezes that space. It is important to understand this samsaric mandala because it is inseparable from the buddha mandala. Since enlightenment is born of confusion, we have to work with that polarity."]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication"]},"value":{"en":["BOOK: Orderly Chaos","BOOK: Collected Works Vol 06"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication Details"]},"value":{"en":["BOOK: ORDERLY CHAOS: Part 1, Chapter 1: Orderly Chaos\u003cbr\u003e\n-- from \u003ca href=\"https://www.shambhala.com/orderly-chaos-1128.html\"\u003eShambhala Publications\u003c/a\u003e\n\nBOOK: COLLECTED WORKS VOL 6 (in contained book ORDERLY CHAOS)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Transcription Credits"]},"value":{"en":["Jul 05 2023 to Oct 17 2024\nTranscribing: Ella Milligan\nChecking: Julia McKaig\nFinal Proof: Leandra Ziegler\nOther Contributors: Lynn Friedman, Warner Dick"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["© Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced"]}},{"label":{"en":["Year"]},"value":{"en":["1972"]}}],"summary":{"en":["About the mandala principle and understanding the samsaric, or confused, mandala. The concept of orderly chaos: the mandala is orderly in the sense that there is a pattern, and chaotic because we find it confusing to work with. The samsaric mandala is the result of our decision to ignore ourselves and our wisdom. We then create ignorance, the kleshas, the skandhas, the nidanas, karma, etc. The confused mandala is relating to open space by building a fence around it which freezes that space. It is important to understand this samsaric mandala because it is inseparable from the buddha mandala. Since enlightenment is born of confusion, we have to work with that polarity."]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["© Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced"]}},"provider":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["Chogyam Trungpa Digital Library"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["Chogyam Trungpa Digital Library"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/209/original/cti-library-logo-blue-text.png?1672724952","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/283/801/small/Logo-Audio-Red.png?1754164135","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 1 - 1754164119_19720821vctr1-audio-prod-ctiautormstr-access.mp3"]},"duration":2290.07669,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/283/801/small/Logo-Audio-Red.png?1754164135","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801/content/1/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-cti.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/283/801/original/1754164119_19720821vctr1-audio-prod-ctiautormstr-access.mp3?1754164120","type":"Audio","format":"audio/mpeg","duration":2290.07669,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801/transcript/82189","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["19720821VCTR1-Transcript [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801/transcript/82189/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[19720821VCTR1 - Public Seminar - Karme Choling - Mandala: The Structure of Unconditioned Energy - Talk 1]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]\r\n\r\n\r\nARP SLATE: This is the Venerable Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche. Seminar entitled Mandala: The Structure of Unconditioned Energy, held at Tail of the Tiger, Vermont. This is talk number one, August 21st, 1972. This is an ARP digital remaster made October 2006.\r\n\r\n\r\nORIGINAL SLATE: Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, seminar on the mandala, Tail of the Tiger, August 1972. First talk.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801#t=0.0,38.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801/transcript/82189/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: MAIN TALK]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It seemed that there has been a lot of misunderstanding about the basic principle of mandala as it has been presented to people in general. \r\n\r\n\r\nCan you hear me in the back?\r\n\r\n\r\nAUDIENCE: No. Barely.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801#t=38.0,58.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801/transcript/82189/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Okay. The idea of mandala could be worked on what is mandala and why is mandala, how is mandala. Which constitutes the working with the basic existence of our whole being in our life situation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801#t=58.0,87.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801/transcript/82189/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So to begin with, we have to discuss the idea of orderly chaos, which is the mandala principle, orderly chaos. Orderly because it comes in a pattern; chaos because it is confusing to work with that order. It is orderly chaos, this mandala principle, basically speaking. Which includes the mandala of samsara and the mandala of nirvana, which equally are reciprocal situation. Without understanding the samsaric situation of mandala, there's no such thing as nirvana aspect of mandala at all. So what we are discussing is orderly chaos.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801#t=87.0,145.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801/transcript/82189/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"To begin with, that we are confused methodically-- we decide to be confused methodically, in other word. It is intentional. It is intentional because we decide to ignore ourselves deliberately. That we decide to boycott the wisdom, enlightenment. We decide to do that. And we want to get on with our trips: passion, aggression, and so forth. Because of that, we have created mandala of self-existing circle. Creating ignorance deliberately, and then creating passion, consciousness, name and form, sense-consciousness, touch-ness, feeling, desire, copulation, world of existence, birth and death, illness, and so forth. That is our creation of mandala in a daily existence as what we are.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801#t=145.0,249.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801/transcript/82189/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So in other word, that in this particular seminar, I would like to present whole thing as a workable situation, rather than something purely philosophical or psychological alone, according to the Buddhist theology and so forth. That it becomes a workable situation, something like that. So, it is orderly chaos. It is orderly because we began the whole groundwork of mandala. We relate as ground on which we could play our games of hypocrisy, bewilderment. Which is called ignorance, three-fold ignorance: of ignorance of itself, and ignorance born within, ignorance of compulsion -- whatever you like to call it -- ignorance of compulsion, or ignorance of immediate measure (that we have to do something about it, that particular separation from the ground).","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801#t=249.0,336.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801/transcript/82189/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So in other word, that there's no point in discussing mandala unless we know who are we, what we are. There's a basis to discuss the mandala. There's no point in discussing the particular divinities which are located in certain aspect of mandala diagram, and there's certain principles that quite possibly wake us up into the-- from the confusion to the awake state at all. I mean, that's ludicrous. That's completely out of the question at this point. We have to know what mandala is, why mandala was, why there is idea of, or notion of enlightenment could exist at the beginning, why such thing could exist.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801#t=336.0,393.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801/transcript/82189/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In other word, that we could say that the idea of enlightenment born out of confusion. Because that somebody is confused, therefore there's the other aspect of the confusion, which is enlightenment. We have to work on it scientifically: if confusion exist, enlightenment does exist; if enlightenment does exist, therefore confusion does exist. So we have to work on this other polarity.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801#t=393.0,427.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801/transcript/82189/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That there is a sense of space, constantly. There is a sense of space because the boundary measures the sense of space. In other word, if you like to make definite statement of \"our land\", only way to do is put up a fence around our land. This particular area belong to us, and we work on that principle. Once we got onto our land and relating with our land, we begin to possess that particular land is belong to us, up to the point that it is absolutely impossible to work. That space of our land is solid space: \"It's *my* land, my land, completely belongs to me.\" So whole land becomes *mine*. \"Mine\" automatically brings possessiveness, clinging onto something, holding onto it. Because that we holding onto that, that means that we are solidified that particular land that belongs to us. Concretize it, we make everything into concrete land, concrete space. We freeze the whole area.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801#t=427.0,533.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801/transcript/82189/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So consequently, only thing that we could relate with space is the boundary, the fence. That's the last hope that we have. We begin to seek into that possible way of relating with it. Maybe that fence we set up originally might have some space in it. And we're trying to eat up into that particular fence like worm, seek territory of spaciousness. In other words, there's no point of-- there's no relationship of making our basic space as openness at all, that we make that boundary as space. So whole thing turns upside down in terms of like positive film turning into negative film. Everything turns black into white, white into black. Only way that we could relate is that fence around our territory. There's some hope that that fence might be spacious one, hollow one, not solid wall. That's how we set up a mandala situation to begin with on our confused mind.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801#t=533.0,614.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801/transcript/82189/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Unfortunately, there's no point of relating with \"everything is beautiful and glorious\" in terms of love-and-light trip, at all. That's totally ludicrous, if I may so. [Laughter] Impractical. If you're going to freeze the whole area that we have, that we have related with some other areas which might be space from that point of view. As far as in terms of the introductory situation of mandala is concerned, that we have to find out whether we are regarding mandala as the space, or whether we are freezing that space and space around that situation as an open space.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801#t=614.0,664.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801/transcript/82189/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Whole thing becomes very workable at the same time. That in other word, that if there is existence of nirvana, that automatically means existence of samsara equally. Are we going to relate both together, or whether we regard nirvana as something that workable alone, samsara as something we have to reject and destroy it? That kind of simple-minded process makes us very confusing and, in fact, self-destructive. And that seem to be the point at this situation of relating with the mandala principle of do we have ground to discuss the mandala principle or not? What is the ground? Is ground solid space or ground is space-space? Whatever.\r\n\r\n\r\nWe could stop discussion there, have some questions if you like.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801#t=664.0,732.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801/transcript/82189/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 1]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: Rinpoche, could you say a little bit about what basically is--\r\n\r\n\r\nAUDIENCE: Louder!\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: Could you say a little bit about what basically is a mandala?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Space to create situation which is based on a territory or boundary. Whether we relate to space as space, or space as solid one, or boundary as space, or the other way around, that's up to us.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801#t=732.0,781.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801/transcript/82189/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 2]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: When you speak about the boundary of the mandala, it sounds to me like the boundary of us, the mandala of us. When we go to explore the boundary of the mandala, is that something like focusing attention on our limits?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well that's depends on our attitude to space at the same time, how you see it.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Well, we see it as-- I see it as pretty solid.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well then the boundary becomes space, which is tremendous struggle.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Outside the boundary--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: --is space?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: So that's the separation of space and solidity?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It's like something like that -- what you call? The craftsmen involved -- what you call, in wax work? What's the word, that we are doing?\r\n\r\n\r\nAUDIENCE: Mold?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Wax mold, or whatever.\r\n\r\n\r\nAUDIENCE: The lost wax process?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What? [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nAUDIENCE: You mean you make a statue out of wax?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nAUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE] .\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nAUDIENCE: That's called lost-wax.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Lost-wax. Lost-wax, yeah. That we expect the wax will act as the expression rather than thing between them. It's exactly the same way. It becomes very claustrophobic, somewhat, naturally. It depends on whether we accept the claustrophobia as it is or not.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Claustrophobic in that you're surrounded by a boundary?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: And what is it as it is?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Your guess is good as mine. [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801#t=781.0,919.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801/transcript/82189/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 3]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Are you describing it as an energy pattern of some type?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well obviously, yeah. There's energy involved with dealing with textures of things as they are. Obviously, yeah. But whole idea is that are we willing to relate with space, or are we involved with boundary? Or are we willing to give up the whole trip of boundary and space, provide basic ground?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: Isn't space the same as the basic ground?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It depends on how you look at it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801#t=919.0,972.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801/transcript/82189/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 4]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: Scientists since 1900 have found out that perhaps our physical universe only depends on the way that we measure it. And they find that-- a lot of times it's been found that the only reason that we've been concerned with space and boundaries is because we've been able to-- we've been measuring that way and that maya is from \"to measure\". So why is a mandala necessary? I mean, can't we get along just as well without it?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Sure, but we don't have to have mandala at all, that's true. It's unnecessary. But in itself it becomes a mandala.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: What does?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Unnecessary of it becomes a mandala. [laughter] I mean, it's not a principle, it's not a concept. It's what is, you know. We don't have to call it a mandala or whatever you like to call it. [INAUDIBLE] Timbuktu, or whatever it's may be. [Laughter] But we don't have to call it anything, but it happens there.\r\n\r\n\r\nLILLA KALMAN: Well, is it an organization of energy?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Sure, it is, and there's some unity.\r\n\r\n\r\nLILLA KALMAN: [INAUDIBLE] .\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: There's some pattern in it anyway. The mandala is not important, but the mandala happens, from that point of view.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801#t=972.0,1062.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801/transcript/82189/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 5]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: Rinpoche, are you saying that when we're relating to space as concrete and trying to eat out from the boundary, inside the boundary, then we're not seeing particularly the mandala aspect of things? But when we relate to the open spacious aspect of it, then we begin to relate to phenomena in the mandala aspect?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It's up to you. It's purely up to you. There's no philosophical definition of it at all. I mean, that's the whole point is that what we are getting together in this particular seminar is not set patterns or ideas, ideology or theology, or whatever, to set what mandala is, what mandala isn't. But what mandala might be, what mandala could be. There is no dogma involved at this point at all. It's a question of working basis of it. We're trying to work together in some way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801#t=1062.0,1134.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801/transcript/82189/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 6]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: Is it a way of looking at the world?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I suppose you could say that, yeah. More likely-- it's more accurate to say way of seeing it, rather than looking it.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801#t=1134.0,1151.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801/transcript/82189/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 7]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: Is there both a collective and an individual mandala? Do each of us--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Sure.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: Yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Definitely, yeah, yeah. I mean, that's how we perceive the world, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: And our own personal mandala then is subject to change as we change our own consciousness and the way of seeing it.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Subject-- we don't change our consciousness; how we grow our consciousness.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: Could, for example, we work on creating a mandala for this group or seminar? Is that...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well sure, yeah. I mean, it's arbitrary.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801#t=1151.0,1182.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801/transcript/82189/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 8]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: Isn't it already created?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You can't pin down the mandala principle as \"that\" or \"this\", from that point of view. We are discussing a totality in a stroke of grass. Where that grass grows up, is that solid grass or is this hollow grass in midst of concrete space? You see what I mean? Can anybody explain that? [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: It's the figure-ground relationship. Is the grass the figure and...?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. Whether we explain that grass is outstanding grass in the midst of space, or whether we describe-- explain that grass is the space, that around the grass is the solidness. Do you see what I mean?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801#t=1182.0,1236.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801/transcript/82189/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 9]\r\n\r\n\r\nLILLA KALMAN: Is it the difference between a response and a conception? The response is something that is at the moment where conception that you carry and the conception is how you see the grass. But what does it depend on? It depends on a feeling, doesn't it?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No, not really. It's not so much a feeling. It depends on what *is* rather than pure feeling.\r\n\r\n\r\nLILLA KALMAN: Well one is part of what is.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. Precisely, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: Well is it more accurate to describe what is by saying a blade of grass is a hollow thing around a solid-- with the solid all around it. Is that more accurate, or?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think that's more accurate, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nROBIN KORNMAN: Is it like the difference between considering simply a single thing and considering the total situation of the thing?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's saying the same thing, because they're interdependent. You can't have one or the other in any case.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801#t=1236.0,1303.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801/transcript/82189/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 10]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: I don't quite see exactly what you mean when you say, \"giving up the trip of space and providing the basic ground.\"\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's giving up the whole thing of interdependent thing. Whether grass is the space or whether grass is the object.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: Giving all that up.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Giving *all* that area. Then there may be some working basis completely. In tantric tradition, it talks about the mandala should be prepared with the five ingredients of a cow. In the kriyayana, kriyayoga tantra, it talks about five ingredients of cow is snot of cow, shit of cow, piss of cow, and milk of cow, and so forth. Clean it up, the holy ground, beyond discriminating situation. Clean out completely with the five ingredients of a cow. And then you could build mandala in the sand painting or drawings of-- or lines, whatever, you know.\r\n\r\n\r\nTantric point of view, that is the only workable situation. Which means that you have destroyed the-- or overcome the hollow space or the solid space, whatever, in order to create the true mandala, absolute mandala. It's not purely superstition, you know, from that point of view of kriyayoga of creating five ingredients of cow. That cow belonged to the earth, graze and sits and shit and eat grass, live on the land. Has a quality of sitting bull. And five ingredients comes out of that cow, sitting bull, if you like to call it. It's tremendously powerful thing if you smear over the whole apparent phenomena with its snot and milk and shit, piss and everything. It's fantastic! [Laughter] Really, you know, even out the whole thing. It's beautiful. [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801#t=1303.0,1452.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801/transcript/82189/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 11]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER16: Is ground the middle path? Not dwelling on anything?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No, I wouldn't say even middle path. It's-- nothing middle about that. [Laughter] No compromise. It's *the* ground, which does not allow any compromise. It's not in the middle, it's *the* ground. Nothing to do with the middle at all from that point of view.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER16: Could it be just not dwelling in anything?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I suppose you could say that. But let me explain the whole thing about mandala principle, is what we are discussing, tantric situation, tantric approach. We are not discussing on the madhyamaka or shunyata principle at all. We are discussing the basic existence of things as they are -- how we survive, how do we live. So whole thing becomes less philosophical. There's no middle path involved. There's a total path. Absolutely heavy-handed approach to things as they are. So there's no middle way at all. In this case, it's heavy-handed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801#t=1452.0,1515.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801/transcript/82189/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 12]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: Well because we haven't even approached the madhyamaka path, you know, properly. I mean, how can we approach this-- what you're going to say now, [laughter] what you are saying now without making it up, without distorting it?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well theoretically, we could do so. But actual practice that we should sit and meditate and we should work ourselves together, you know. Basically, that we could do that. But what we are discussing is possible chaos that might happen, orderly chaos that might happen on our way to the path. This seminar could be regarded as a warning process. Like somebody who haven't learn how to drive, how to relate with motor cars, but somebody studying the highway codes. Possible chaos, orderly chaos might happen in our situation.\r\n\r\n\r\nAnd from that point of view, I feel personally I could trust American audience who are on the path or who might be on the path. I feel brave to tell them what it is all about, what the path is all about. I feel that I could relate to them. I feel that I could, you know, explain the whole possibilities of order and chaos. And by telling them, that might create the situation of awake into the path somewhat. It's kind of preparatory situation, preparing the whole ground.\r\n\r\n\r\nAnd it doesn't mean to say just purely instructive situation of course. You have to commit yourself into it and surrender yourself into the path, take refuge, become refugee, to begin with -- give up everything. And then willing to take responsibility as a bodhisattva. And then after that, then you receive the tantric teachings, or whatever. But that seem to be a long way as far as we are concerned. But what we are discussing here is possibilities of all these situations could occurred in us, all of us.\r\n\r\n\r\n[Unknown gesture or incident; laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801#t=1515.0,1676.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801/transcript/82189/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 13]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER17: Rinpoche, you're saying the basic ground is when you somehow forget about the \"this\" and the \"that\", the discrimination? Is that what you're implying?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. I would say, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER17: Then this again is not intellectual, it's...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No, it's just experiential.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER17: How do you know when you've really experienced it or not?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Experienced?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER17: Yeah. I mean, talking about experiencing. For example, this--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, it's up to you.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER17: I mean, it seems to me that there could be some self-deception [INAUDIBLE] --\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: If you're experiencing things, completely and totally, that means that you have worn out your reference point. That is a total experience.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER17: Worn out your reference point, being that you...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Like if you are dead, completely, if you die--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER17: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --you have no way of referring to somebody's life, but you are actually dying.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER17: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Very solid. [Laughter] Very simple, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER17: So that fluidity of the situation?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, whatever you would like to call it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801#t=1676.0,1751.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801/transcript/82189/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 14]\r\n\r\n\r\nLILLA KALMAN: It seems to me that the most difficult thing is to get over a sense of separation. Isn't this what this is about? Interdependence depends on separation. If you give up-- it's great to think of a totality, but how does one get there?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think so, yeah. You don't have to know how to do it, but it happens.\r\n\r\n\r\nLILLA KALMAN: Maybe we are all one lump.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well there is no idiot compassion involved from the point of view of the teacher or the teaching. But you have to work out, and you have to acknowledge that you are a lonely person, a lone person who is trodding on the path.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER18: Is what?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: A lone person, lonely person who is trodding on the path.\r\n\r\n\r\nLILLA KALMAN: That is very easy to recognize that one is lonely. One tries to get over it.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I don't think so.\r\n\r\n\r\nLILLA KALMAN: At least occasionally it dawns on one that one is lonely.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. So what?\r\n\r\n\r\nLILLA KALMAN: But is this in contradiction to this totality you were talking about?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Absolutely not! If you realize you are lonely person, then you feel totality of the whole space in which you are lonely, alone. It's saying the same thing. It's absolutely the same thing. In other word, you can't feel alone unless you feel totality of the whole thing.\r\n\r\n\r\nLILLA KALMAN: You have to[INAUDIBLE] .\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You can't be alone. Aloneness based on the totality of the whole thing. That there is no help coming from anywhere at all. You have to make your own individual journey which is purely based on you. It goes without staying, it stays without going, or whatever. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER18: That's not the same thing as ordinary loneliness then?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Anything you say, yeah. [Laughter] There's no such thing as ordinary loneliness. Loneliness -- one thing, there's always space.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801#t=1751.0,1879.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801/transcript/82189/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 15]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER19: If it's not intellectual or philosophical, why bother talking about it at all? Is that what you mean by preparatory? So that [INAUDIBLE] --\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. Well we don't have to talk about it. We don't have to. We don't have to. We don't have to ask questions. [Laughter] You don't have to. Very simple, extraordinarily simple. As long as we begin to ask questions, we are creating answers. It's up to you to really create answers by asking questions, and so forth and on and on and on.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER20: So when you stop asking questions, you don't-- you stop being concerned about answers.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Not quite simple as that. [Laughter] When you stop asking questions, you're creating more questions. You can't create-- you can't stop the world functioning, but you accept that questions happen, answers happen, rather than you try to freeze the whole world into solid situation. It is not as simple as that at all. Otherwise, it becomes battle.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801#t=1879.0,1991.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801/transcript/82189/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 16]\r\n\r\n\r\nLILLA KALMAN: It seems to me that if a person really got to the point of being-- of completely accepting being alone, lonely person, in totality, one would stop even wanting to communicate to anybody, and that is the bodhisattva way.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well that sounds like revenge. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER21: What's that?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER: He said that that sounds like revenge.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER21: No, but what is the point?\r\n\r\n\r\nLILLA KALMAN: [INAUDIBLE] how are you going to help people if by helping is to [INAUDIBLE]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well it helps people if you acknowledge, or if you tell people your confusions. That might get confused-- it might get other people confused further, naturally. But in itself, that confusion is pregnant confusion, embryonic confusion. That's how we teach dharma. So you don't have to boycott the world, in other word, at all. You just be what you are in that sense.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801#t=1991.0,2067.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801/transcript/82189/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: CLOSING REMARKS]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: We might have to stop at this point, friends. Has anybody announced the program tomorrow?\r\n\r\n\r\nAUDIENCE: Mhmm. Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801#t=2067.0,2078.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801/transcript/82189/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: We are going to have discussion periods, which will be extraordinarily important at this point. People could relate with each other. And also they could express their chaos and confusion in terms of mandala principle, that what we are discussing. And opening themselves and their ideas of the situation, whatever.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801#t=2078.0,2105.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801/transcript/82189/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So in other word, there's a situation that philosophers and yogis are at war. Yogis think philosophers are bullshitting, and philosophers think yogis are bullshitting. [Laughter] At this point that we are unable to establish a total living teaching at all, without either of those situations. So what we are trying to do is establish some link, that philosophers also valid as well as yogis are valid. And some kind of technical or intellectual understanding is also important, as well as your experiential situation also important. So trying to work situation together is extraordinarily possible. With expecting that eventually that I don't have to give any more seminars. That you'll be able to help yourselves. Not only that, but you'll be able to teach other people, to develop American Buddhism, to teach rest of the world. In fact, go back to the Tibetans or the Indians and teach them how their understanding was and work with them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801#t=2105.0,2194.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801/transcript/82189/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So we have, as far as I'm concerned personally, I have tremendous trust in your participation in this work together, which means a lot to me. That finally we could work together on the basic sanity level. That we are able to set up some solid ground so that you could help your whole world, not only purely in terms of religion but also in terms of living situation, and so forth.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801#t=2194.0,2223.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801/transcript/82189/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So discussion group, whatever, we might introduce tomorrow, is part of that acceptance that we are going to work together, rather than you're going to pick up something, spark of knowledge here, take back to home and you're going to write fat book on it, or whatever. Somehow it doesn't work that way. It needs sharing situation very much involved. And please take part in the discussion group, which is very important. And also the meditation practice that is involved in the seminar with our community here would be very important as well, in terms of giving into the irritations and frustrations or a sense of escape whatever, take part in medita-- your practice [INAUDIBLE] at the same time. I thank you very much. Welcome, everybody.\r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801#t=2223.0,2290.07669"}]},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801/transcript/82190","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["19720821VCTR1-Captions [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801/transcript/82190/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ARP SLATE: This is the\nVenerable Chogyam\nTrungpa Rinpoche.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801#t=0.65,4.14"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801/transcript/82190/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Seminar entitled Mandala:\nThe Structure\nof Unconditioned Energy,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801#t=4.14,7.77"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801/transcript/82190/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"held at Tail\nof the Tiger, Vermont.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801#t=7.77,10.15"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801/transcript/82190/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This is talk number one,\nAugust 21st, 1972.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801#t=10.15,15.25"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801/transcript/82190/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This is an ARP digital remaster\nmade October 2006.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801#t=15.25,21.66"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801/transcript/82190/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ORIGINAL SLATE: Chogyam Trungpa\nRinpoche,\nseminar on the mandala,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801#t=21.66,26.21"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801/transcript/82190/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tail of the Tiger,\nAugust 1972.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801#t=26.21,30.58"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801/transcript/82190/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"First talk.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801#t=30.58,33.64"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801/transcript/82190/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It seemed\nthat there has been\na lot of misunderstanding","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801#t=38.73,46.37"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801/transcript/82190/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"about the basic principle\nof mandala","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801#t=46.37,49.43"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801/transcript/82190/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"as it has been presented\nto people in general.\nCan you hear me in the 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Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801#t=58.16,60.72"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801/transcript/82190/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The idea of mandala\ncould be worked\non what is mandala","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801#t=66.59,74.24"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801/transcript/82190/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and why is mandala,\nhow is 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Louder!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801#t=745.04,746.27"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801/transcript/82190/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER1: Could you say\na little bit about\nwhat basically is a mandala?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801#t=746.27,751.45"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801/transcript/82190/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Space to\ncreate situation","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801#t=758.43,762.05"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801/transcript/82190/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"which is based on\na territory or boundary.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801#t=762.05,768.78"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801/transcript/82190/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Whether we relate\nto space as space,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801#t=768.78,770.68"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801/transcript/82190/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"or space as solid one,\nor boundary as space,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801#t=770.68,775.65"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801/transcript/82190/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"or the other way around,\nthat's up to us.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801#t=775.65,779.46"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801/transcript/82190/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER2: When you speak\nabout the boundary\nof the mandala,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801#t=781.94,784.71"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801/transcript/82190/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"it sounds to me\nlike the boundary of us,\nthe mandala of 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Mold?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801#t=843.61,845.35"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801/transcript/82190/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Wax mold,\nor whatever.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801#t=845.35,847.41"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801/transcript/82190/annotation/190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AUDIENCE: The lost wax 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It's unnecessary.\nBut in itself\nit becomes a mandala.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801#t=1010.69,1018.3"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801/transcript/82190/annotation/222","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER7: What does?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801#t=1018.3,1019.73"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801/transcript/82190/annotation/223","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Unnecessary of\nit becomes a 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So what?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801#t=1815.3,1817.25"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801/transcript/82190/annotation/409","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LILLA KALMAN: But is this\nin contradiction to this totality\nyou were talking about?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801#t=1817.25,1822.28"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154702/file/283801/transcript/82190/annotation/410","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Absolutely 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