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Regarding the rise of dictatorial governments, Trungpa Rinpoche suggests \"organizing an environment\" that doesn't support them; and emphasizes the importance of not allowing one's anger to get in the way of understanding one's opponents. Other topics include a discussion of the relationship between monasticism and tantra;  the experience of passion without grasping; the Shambhala path; and what Trungpa Rinpoche's \"long-range plans are.\"  He emphasizes his interest in the Buddhist-Christian dialogues, as a way of \"bring[ing] contemplative disciplines together.\" An informal discussion takes place at the end, about Trungpa Rinpoche's plans to move to Canada."]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication"]},"value":{"en":["BOOK: Collected Works Vol 09"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication Details"]},"value":{"en":["BOOK: COLLECTED WORKS VOL 9: Selected Writings: Buddhism in America: An Interview with Catherine Ingram (pp 769-779)\u003cbr\u003e\n-- from \u003ca href=\"https://www.shambhala.com/the-collected-works-of-chogyam-trungpa-volume-9-15031.html\"\u003eShambhala Publications\u003c/a\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Transcription Credits"]},"value":{"en":["Apr 28 2023 to Feb 06 2025\nTranscribing: Julia McKaig\nChecking: Blaire Martin\nFinal Proof: Ruth Veleta\nOther Contributors: Lynn Friedman, Warner Dick"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["© Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced"]}},{"label":{"en":["Year"]},"value":{"en":["1983"]}}],"summary":{"en":["A timely interview conducted by Catherine Ingram, co-founder of the Insight Meditation, in part about America and the world's challenges, and how the Buddhist approach can work with them. Regarding the rise of dictatorial governments, Trungpa Rinpoche suggests \"organizing an environment\" that doesn't support them; and emphasizes the importance of not allowing one's anger to get in the way of understanding one's opponents. Other topics include a discussion of the relationship between monasticism and tantra;  the experience of passion without grasping; the Shambhala path; and what Trungpa Rinpoche's \"long-range plans are.\"  He emphasizes his interest in the Buddhist-Christian dialogues, as a way of \"bring[ing] contemplative disciplines together.\" An informal discussion takes place at the end, about Trungpa Rinpoche's plans to move to Canada."]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["© Diana J. 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Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]\r\n\r\n\r\nCTI SLATE: This is the Venerable Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, interview with Catherine Ingram on Buddhism in America, recorded on August 8th, 1983, in Boulder, Colorado. This is a CTI auto remaster made April 2023.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146104/file/269315#t=0.0,24.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146104/file/269315/transcript/78161/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 1]\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: I've prepared a list of questions. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: Rinpoche, what would you say is the major source of suffering in our world today?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I would say aggression, and ignorance. And partially, modernization of the world, which brought scientific and mass media. I wouldn't say they are bad in themselves, but the way people use it, it is problematic.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146104/file/269315#t=24.0,101.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146104/file/269315/transcript/78161/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 2]\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: Could you say more about how mass media is used in a destructive way?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think it's a question of people are using on their own purposes, their own ideology, and their own logic, and their own ego-centered purposes. And so that they could--\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: Distort?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --distort. Mhmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146104/file/269315#t=101.0,156.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146104/file/269315/transcript/78161/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 3]\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: That's interesting. You've had a-- you had a lot of great perceptions about our culture. Could you talk about what you see as particular problems of American society? Do you think America is a forerunner in this area of media distortion somewhat, or scientific distortion?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, in fact America has been in this way early on -- maybe forties and fifties, sixties. And now it seems that other nations begin to copy the whole thing, so America doesn't become the greatest leader of this particular problem.\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Only in fact Americans are losing little bit.\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: Now.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: And that they feel guilty themselves, like Vietnam War and other things like that, and the CIA activities, and America has begin to apologize more than other nations who are on the way to achieve Americanism.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146104/file/269315#t=156.0,293.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146104/file/269315/transcript/78161/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 4]\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: Right. That's right. Do you think there's any situation where there is, say, a holy war? Of course in the past we could think of Hitler. I was at the talk last night, but in current time there's El Salvador, and there's Guatemala, and there's oppression in various parts of the world that's just extraordinary. Do you think there's a situation where stopping a dictator of this sort would be a compassionate act, even if it involved killing?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I think it doesn't have to involve killing, but there are other ways to modify the situation. For instance social situations, economic situations, and some kind of public pressure, worldwide pressure could be put on them. And that'll definitely make them think twice.\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: Yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: And the main point is not so much of just a fistfight level.\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: First?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Fistfight level.\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: First fight-- fistfight level, yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes. But organizing an environment where the situation cannot be activated anymore. And that can be done.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146104/file/269315#t=293.0,456.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146104/file/269315/transcript/78161/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 5]\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: The Dalai Lama spoke at our center in Barre [Insight Meditation Society] and said that it's important to love one's enemies, but it's also important to know that they're your enemies. And in a way it seemed -- this in my interpretation of what he said -- that he was saying that in Tibet before the invasion, there was a naivete among the people, a certain trusting that he feels has changed as a result of the invasion, that people have become, and rightly so, more wary. I guess my point is that often the inspiration for change has been one of anger or feeling oppressed. And I wonder how to rouse energy for change without these feelings of aggression or anger toward one's oppressors.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. Well, it's a question of learning. When you feel angry to somebody you begin to close down, you begin to cut your communication, and you stop studying and learning about your enemy. So at this point, I think one must learn more about the enemies.[Camera click]\r\n\r\n\r\nYour flash doesn't seem to work.\r\n\r\n\r\nPHOTOGRAPHER: I've been using natural light.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Oh, I see.\r\n\r\n\r\nPHOTOGRAPHER: I'm trying to minimize the distraction. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Uh huh.\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: We've had a lot of discussion about her flash.[Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It's a question of when you've studied enough of your enemy, then you have conquered them. And if you begin to close down, and stop communicating, and just put a basic concept, and putting their enemies in pigeonholes, and have some attitude of them -- who they are, why they are -- then you begin to create a lot of distraction. And then you end up killing them because you don't understand them, therefore you have to kill them, and that's only way stop, which is wrong. And I'm sure in like First World War and Second World War lot of that went on.\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: A lot of?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That went on.\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: Yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: They refuse to learn from each other, so therefore anything, they just shoot them so they can't speak and think, and turn into a corpse.\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: So you're saying that, just to sum up this, that in a way you're saying that education and learning about the other side, and the other side's point of view, and the other side as a human being, is a way of cutting through a need to make war on each other.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm, mhmm. Very much so.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146104/file/269315#t=456.0,776.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146104/file/269315/transcript/78161/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 6]\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: People speak of our being at a turning point in history, and that now that we have the capability of so much destruction, and the possibility of accident -- nuclear accidents and whatever -- that we're really at a point where it-- we're on the brink of either doom or awakening. What is your vision about that?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I don't think anything's going to happen, really.\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: You don't?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No.\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: That's great. [Laughs] That's great to hear.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: And everybody knows the consequences and therefore they are careful for themselves. And people expect this big drama is going to take place one day. But in my way of thinking, I don't think there's going to be that kind of entertainment. [Laughter; laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: That's a show I'd just as soon [laughing] not see.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, yes. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: That's nice to hear. I have a feeling that if more people were optimistic about it, it would-- it would help it to not happen.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146104/file/269315#t=776.0,872.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146104/file/269315/transcript/78161/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 7]\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: What is the place for social action in Buddhism, or in your particular tradition?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Like... you were there last night?\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: Yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It's like poverty and social problems come from not paying attention to details and the realities of people's life. Either they follow certain dogma, certain religion, and certain concept… [UNCLEAR: then? they?] stop *those*. The role of Buddhism is dharma, which means law or truth. How to take care of your children properly, and how to relate with your neighbors properly, and how to relate with your bank manager properly, and how to build house properly, or how to run a company properly. I think that's the Buddhism as well as Shambhala vision. People have to pay attention to how to walk and how to eat. Have you heard or seen or witnessed oryoki?\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: No, I never have.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Oh. Maybe you should-- how long you going to be here?\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: I'm here until Thursday.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I wonder any oryoki situation is taking place anywhere?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: Perhaps at Marpa House?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Maybe you should see how to eat properly. And it's a question of how to do things correctly. And that's what Buddhism contributes -- not just purely being a religion itself alone, but human conduct.\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Human behavior, how to drink a cup of tea properly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146104/file/269315#t=872.0,1124.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146104/file/269315/transcript/78161/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 8]\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: I just read your new manuscript, THE WAY OF SHAMBHALA, and I very much liked it. And I especially loved the pragmatic aspects about the neurosis that shows up in our daily lives when we just throw our clothes on the floor, or when we live in a sloppy manner. I was really appreciating--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: --those parts.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. Which chapter are you through?\r\n\r\n\r\nCAROLYN GIMIAN: So she has a copy of the full manuscript. We got it to her a few days ago, so she could--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nCAROLYN GIMIAN: --read it before she saw you.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. Well, that's good.\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146104/file/269315#t=1124.0,1174.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146104/file/269315/transcript/78161/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 9]\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: In this context, how do you feel about the movement-- have you heard the term \"voluntary simplicity\"?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: You probably know that there is a kind of philosophical movement about our-- in the wealthier nations, having to really live more simply and give up some of the luxuries that we enjoy. And that it is ultimately for the good of all of us, that the planet can't support us in this way for much longer and that too many people are going without. How do you feel about this particular movement?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, as long as it doesn't become a trip, it seems to be fine. I think there's a problem of making a dogma out of it, and then it becomes a closed situation where certain people join them, certain people don't join them because it's a dogma. And if it's an open situation, then there is no problem.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146104/file/269315#t=1174.0,1280.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146104/file/269315/transcript/78161/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 10]\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: I've heard a story about Marpa that-- I don't know if it's an accurate story, you probably have heard it, that when his son died, he was grieving, crying for weeks, and his students came to him and said, \"We don't understand this attachment that you have, you know, you're grieving and crying and yet you've always taught us that it's all illusion.\" And he said, \"But this is super-illusion.\" And I recall in, I think it was in BORN IN TIBET, you mentioned that you don't-- you personally don't feel nostalgic about anything. And I was just wondering in relation to this story, what is the place of emotions in *your* own mind?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Emotions are… inquisitive. And if I didn't have any inquisitive I wouldn't have learned the English language, for instance, [laughs] and I haven't learned how to dress in the Western style. And as far emotions are concerned, it's for me-- reason why we talk is emotion, in some sense. Because your openness and my willing to talk to you is emotion, and it is basically based on openness, inquisitiveness. And when I read a newspaper, for instance, it's inquisitiveness, it's some kind of emotion which make-- makes me to read newspaper or watch television, which I rarely do, [laughter] but when I do it, I usually watch the news broadcast. [Laughs; laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146104/file/269315#t=1280.0,1465.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146104/file/269315/transcript/78161/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 11]\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: Mhmm. In your new book, you said of a warrior, [reading] \"The fullness of his experience is his own, and he must live with his own truth, that he is more and more in love with the world.\" And you also spoke about the rawness and exposure of a warrior's heart, the tender heart of a warrior. Often it seems that the path of insight is one of seeing more and more subtle levels of \"duhkha\" [suffering]. And that as we become more raw, we begin to see others' suffering in very subtle ways. I was-- as I was preparing this, I looked up as I was thinking about this question and I saw some butterflies at Miriam's house, and I realized they were searching for food, for pollen or whatever they eat. And I wonder about the love affair of feeling the suffering in a very subtle way and yet feeling in love with all of life.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's connected with the notion of sadness, at the same time you feel sad or nostalgic. And when you feel nostalgic or sad, and the basic emotion, and willingness to be warrior comes more with that. It's very romantic in some sense. When you use sword, or bow and arrow, or when you ride on a horse, or when you wear a suit of armor, they're very romantic, but they-- at the same time it's sad because you feel so much in tune with situation. It's like kissing your own child -- you feel sad but happy at the same time.\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: Do you think this sad is connected with potential for loss?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No, it's simply so tender that you feel almost raw. That's why people kiss. [Laughter] You know, it's touching each other's raw part. I suppose that's why people make love -- it's very intimate, but it's very joyful at the same time. [Laughs] I suppose that we mustn't get carried away. [Laughter; laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146104/file/269315#t=1465.0,1773.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146104/file/269315/transcript/78161/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 12]\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: Well, it has been said that-- actually this-- that last discussion leads into this, about the tantric path. It has been said that entering the tantric path is like the snake in the bamboo -- either you're going straight up or straight down. And it does seem incredible possibilities of danger. In a way, discussing the rawness of-- the rawness of ourselves as human beings, just reminds me of the possibility to wallow in emotion, which we often see in people, that it just takes them over. And I would-- I am imagining that that's possible in the tantric path, that one can get out of balance easily. What are the dangers and how are they overcome?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think one of the basic point is perversion, that you use your emotions wrongly.\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Thinking that is sacred.\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Passion, aggression, ignorance -- they're being used as part of the practice, but at the same time, they're being used-- could be misused as a convenience in emotional level. And then they're being boosted and they're being cultivated wrongly.\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: Are you saying that they should not be seen as sacred? Those--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: They could be seen as sacred, but that doesn't mean to say you have to indulge them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146104/file/269315#t=1773.0,1952.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146104/file/269315/transcript/78161/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 13]\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: Is it true that the tantric path does see the sacredness in all things, sees the sacredness in brushing--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: In everything.\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: --one's teeth and--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: In everything. But that doesn't mean to say that you have to indulge with them.\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: Mhmm. So it's also knowing what the balance is.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Balance is, yes. There is a lot of training before you get into that. I mean that is the end product of your training, rather than you jump in, like jumping in swimming pool--\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: Right.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --right away.\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: Right.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: And first you learn how to float.\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: Right.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Otherwise you'll sink.\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: [Laughs] Yes. It's unfortunate people have a very distorted view of what tantra is in this country, you know. I think in the West this--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: --hasn't been understood properly.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nCould you pass me that? [Unknown gesture or  incident]\r\n\r\n\r\n[GAP IN AUDIO]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146104/file/269315#t=1952.0,2051.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146104/file/269315/transcript/78161/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 14]\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: So we were talking about the misconceptions about tantra. And it brings to mind a question that I've had personally in my own life and I know a lot of people who are on a spiritual path have. And that is, what is the place for passion in our lives? People associate spirituality often with dispassion, and I've begun to see it a different way myself. And I know that you've often spoken about a certain living-- a certain richness with one's life, embracing it more fully. So I wonder, are we--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [aside] Are we-- ?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: [INAUDIBLE] homeowners.\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: Can we be fully passionate beings, making love and making babies, and having careers, and feeling great sorrow and-- can we do all of that and yet not live in duality?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Not what?\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: Not live in duality?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I see. That's quite advanced level. I think at the beginning, one has to train oneself how to relate with passion, and how to train oneself to be soft to oneself, which is a mahayana principle. Because passion is somewhat, you could say, soft, but at the same time it has an element of aggression, because you are-- you *want* it so much. So one has to turn down that particular aspect of it.\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: The wanting?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: The wanting and the grasping. And when there is no grasping in the wanting, then passion is like a rainbow in the sky. It comes and goes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146104/file/269315#t=2051.0,2298.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146104/file/269315/transcript/78161/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 15]\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: What fuels it?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What?\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: What gives it its fuel?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think basic joy, coemergent joy, intrinsic joy. And there is a term for that in the vajrayana language called the \"mahasukha.\" Have you heard that?\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: I know \"sukha\", \"bliss.\"\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: Great bliss?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. That there is a cheerfulness, that there is a kind of constant celebration. And that seem to be the key to it. We mustn't get carried away. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: We mustn't what?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Get carried away. [Laughs; laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: It's okay with me. [Laughs; laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146104/file/269315#t=2298.0,2402.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146104/file/269315/transcript/78161/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 16]\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: How about monasticism? What about the place for monasticism?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Monasticism?\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: In a tantric path.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Monasticism is also part of that joy. That you don't feel that you're trapped in anywhere. And you feel there is a sense of celebration.\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: But some--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You see in the Western tradition, there is a lot of emphasis been made of guilt and sin. And in the Buddhist tradition, there is no such thing as original sin or guilt, so you feel that you're celebrating something. And monasticism is not necessarily is restraining oneself if you see a pretty girl, but it is sort of taking in whatever you perceive, so you don't feel guilty anymore.\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: Is that what renunciation is, being able to just see the object?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: But not grasp, yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's the idea of renunciation.\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: What do you think about the practice of renunciation for American students in particular?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I don't see any big differences particularly. It's same thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146104/file/269315#t=2402.0,2595.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146104/file/269315/transcript/78161/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 17]\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: Mhmm. Do you find that Asian cultures are-- that the mind is conditioned similarly to Western?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, when you have a neurosis, it's the same neurosis. You know, when you have passion, it's the same passion.\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: And the Asians produce baby and Westerners produce babies.\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: Right\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: And they fight--\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --in the same way. So, fundamentally speaking, there's no differences really. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146104/file/269315#t=2595.0,2667.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146104/file/269315/transcript/78161/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 18]\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: In your first years of teaching here in America, there was a great expression of freedom in people's spiritual practice. And it-- I think that in the last few years, there's been more emphasis on discipline and perhaps more traditional form. And I think people-- there's quite a lot of mystique about you, and people think that you have had a long-range plan. But I was struck in reading BORN IN TIBET with how intuitively you were working, almost by the day in your movement, that you seemed to use divination and to be very intuitive about what your next move would be. And I wonder if that is how you're working now, or are you working with a long-range plan?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well they become long-range plan, rather than I am strategizing. And the students provide the substance. And at the beginning it is impossible to work with anybody to sit still and become dignified, but then they begin to come to conclusion. It's not so much of my own indoctrinating them into this way, but they begin to come to conclusion. And they'd like they receive abhishekas, which we couldn't have done right at the beginning, and they begin to do ngondro practice. And each time the seminaries begin to become more and more traditional and orthodox in some sense. You should come and visit.\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: I would love to come.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Maybe you will find more materials to write on--\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --just if you watch--\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: I would love to visit.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --how people behave.\r\n\r\n\r\n[Door knock] And then-- [door knock] come in, come in!\r\n\r\n\r\nCAROLYN GIMIAN: Sorry, I think someone just looked in and closed the door.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. It's largely the students are doing it--\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --rather than me coming down onto them and laying law. Except one thing is drug abuse, which I had to say that it's not appropriate.\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: And apart from that--\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: It's an organic...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Organic, yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: So you take it as it comes--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: --as you go along.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: Are you happy with the training of the students?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, sometime I am surprised that they have already done it before I tell them. [Laughter; laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146104/file/269315#t=2667.0,2972.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146104/file/269315/transcript/78161/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 19]\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: What gives you your greatest joys in life?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Writing poetry, flower arranging, and have an exchange with our students.\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: Nice.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Calligraphy. [Laughs; laughing] And initiating further projects, which our finance department [laughter] always feel nervous [laughter] about it in case if I come up with building another something or other. [Laughs; laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146104/file/269315#t=2972.0,3054.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146104/file/269315/transcript/78161/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 20]\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: I heard that after your last year-long retreat you-- afterwards you implemented Shambhala Training, and that seems to be a very popular and wonderful training, many people speak very highly of it. I was wondering if your next retreat will be used for-- what will you do on your next retreat?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I don't know, [laughter] something else might come up. [Laughter; laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146104/file/269315#t=3054.0,3108.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146104/file/269315/transcript/78161/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 21]\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: In your new book, you said, \"When you spell out the truth, it loses its essence, becomes undignified, a giveaway.\"\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: If you what?\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: When you spell out the truth, it loses its essence--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: --it becomes undignified.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Which one, which?\r\n\r\n\r\nCAROLYN GIMIAN: That's the inscrutability article, sir, that's--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: And you said, \"By implying the truth, the truth doesn't become anyone's property.\" And I didn't understand this part and it's intriguing to me. I sense what you mean in terms of-- I think the Buddha said something like that one must always tell the truth but it was not always necessary to tell everything you think about the truth. In other words, that you didn't have to spill out your whole mind, but that when you did speak, you should tell the truth. Anyway, I don't know what you meant by this particular part about not needing to spell out the truth.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think it's a question of… the truth had to be realized, rather than being told. So the realization had to be personal experience rather than being told, so there is some kind of shock and some kind of-- that's precisely what means \"realization.\"\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: When you say, \"I realized that how hot the chili is\" rather than somebody telling you how hot chili is.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146104/file/269315#t=3108.0,3264.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146104/file/269315/transcript/78161/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 22]\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: Yeah, it's very different. Do you have like moments of new satori in your life? Or times when you think it all looks different than you thought before, and you think to yourself, \"I'm going to change my course.\" Do you know what I mean?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: New satori?\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: Like do you have moments in your life when you think that it all looks different than you had thought before, that you see things completely differently. Like a moment, moments of realization that you say, \"Aha! This is how it is, that it's different than I thought.\"\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Just like now. [Laughter] Haven't met you before--\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --and now we're having pleasant conversation, having good time. That's it. [Laughter] Nothing dramatic, particularly. That's why I thought I'm getting older. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: No great flashes. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: This *is* the great flashes [laughter] -- to me anyway. [Laughs; laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146104/file/269315#t=3264.0,3397.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146104/file/269315/transcript/78161/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 23]\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: I only have a couple more questions. You've had a longtime interest in the Christian-Buddhist interface. I read in your book that meeting Thomas Merton was very significant to you, and now this is the third summer of Christian-Buddhist contemplative dialogue. I was wondering what your vision about these two great traditions coming together is, what your-- what you hope to achieve with this merge.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think one of the main point is we wanted to sort it out, the confusion between theism and the nontheism. And how the contemplative practice could be introduced in both traditions.\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: That's good.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: And we as Buddhists don't worship and Christians do worship -- there is prayer, and supplications, and all sorts of things. And yet, at the same time, I find those practices are very familiar to me and I've been to many monasteries in Great Britain and studied with them. In fact I had a tutorial in Christianity in Oxford by Jesuit priest who studied Buddhism. But the main point is solve out the confusion, and also trying to bring together the notion of meditation in both traditions. And that is my greatest hope, to bring contemplative disciplines together.\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: Yes, that would do a lot for the people.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146104/file/269315#t=3397.0,3617.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146104/file/269315/transcript/78161/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 24]\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: Each place that Buddhism has gone in the world, it has taken on the flavor of the culture of the country. And I was wondering what you feel about the flavor-- what is going to be the flavor of Buddhism in America? What would characterize it?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think it's going to be Anglicized Shambhala. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: A kingdom of spirituality?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: But how will the Western version be?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, they have their own-- Westerners have their own history, starting from Europe. And they-- most of them moved out here, and-- apart from the American Indians have their own tradition, which I find very close to Tibetan tradition.\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: Yeah, me too.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. I think otherwise it will be a natural situation. Like I've been working quite a lot on elocution, for instance, how to speak proper English. And how to have good table manners. And I've been doing quite a lot of riding, myself. And as you know, my wife is a dressage teacher, [INAUDIBLE WORDS]. She went to Vienna and studied there. And anything that is cultural, Western culture, like the music, poetry, writing, and all of those will be included as a Shambhala expression.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146104/file/269315#t=3617.0,3866.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146104/file/269315/transcript/78161/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 25]\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: So you see, in a way, the arts as an avenue--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: --to Western mind?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes, very much. And also business, like law firms, lawyers, and also journalism. [laughs; laughter] And running businesses of any kind.\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: It's all very practical. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Up to running the government.\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: Mhmm. [Laughter; laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146104/file/269315#t=3866.0,3958.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146104/file/269315/transcript/78161/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: POST-INTERVIEW CONVERSATION]\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: Well, thank you very much for your time.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Where do you live?\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: Boston.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Boston is a very interesting city. And if I was ever going to live in the United States, I would live in Boston. It's my favorite place.\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: Yeah?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: I like Boston, too.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: But are you going to move to Canada?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. Slowly, takes time.\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: Yes. [Laughs] Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I have just found a house for myself, and my wife has bought a farm.\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: Lucky.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: And she is going to build indoor arena.\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: Pardon me?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Indoor arena.\r\n\r\n\r\nCAROLYN GIMIAN: For riding.\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: Oh, indoor one.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. But it's quite cold out there.\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: Yeah. You're used to cold, huh?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I should be. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: It's not as dry as you're used to though. It's probably more damp.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: We had a ginger ale bottle sitting in our outhouse, sort of wood outhouse, what you call it?\r\n\r\n\r\nCAROLYN GIMIAN: Pantry, sir?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I-- no...\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: Woodshed?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Where you keep food--\r\n\r\n\r\nCAROLYN GIMIAN: Pantry?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --food. Pantry, yes. And we have to put it in a refrigerator to warm it up. [Laughter; laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: That's cold. [Laughs; laughter] That will be nice to be in the country though, huh?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: But it's nice. People are very sweet.\r\n\r\n\r\nCATHERINE INGRAM: Yeah. Well I hope that a city doesn't grow up around you, you have so many students. [Laughs; laughter] It may get very crowded. [Laughter; laughs]. \r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. 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