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Trungpa Rinpoche connects the experience of eternity and nowness. Generating a sense of eternity, permanence, as problematic. Eternity as sense of presence --  nowness. Meditation comes in as without goal orientation, desire to change. In extensive Q\u0026amp;A with workshop participants, discussion on working with negative emotions in therapy [Q11]. Questioner observes that his training encourages  people to express, release emotions, whereas Maitri approach is being with, watching them. Trungpa Rinpoche indicates starting point as making relationship with their energies, rather than focusing on expressing them. Agrees keeping them down not recommended. Explore the texture, quality, rising and falling of emotions, rather than doing something with them. Other topics include relationship between meditation and psychotherapy; attitude of \"recovering from\" or getting rid of something in therapy, versus accepting, working with what you are.  Buddhist view of neurosis as a counterpart to wisdom: can't have one without the other. Even in attainment of enlightenment neurosis still there but transformed into energy. Role of therapist as helping people develop friendliness toward themselves.   When asked what enlightenment is Trungpa Rinpoche says it's \"peeling away skins\", and in the absence a sense of presence dawns. Questioner [Q24] asks about bringing Buddhist techniques into therapy process. Trungpa Rinpoche says it's more about bringing attitude of therapist, their own experience of Buddhism. Not to be dogmatic but improvise in working with client. Introducing to them ideas of impermanence and ego, and developing real relationship, journey together. Trungpa Rinpoche agrees with questioner [25] that tremendous pressure to \"change\" in therapy is not necessary."]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication"]},"value":{"en":["BOOK: Sanity We are Born With","BOOK: Collected Works Vol 02","JOURNAL: Loka 2"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication Details"]},"value":{"en":["BOOK: THE SANITY WE ARE BORN WITH: Part 3, Psychology: Chapter 19: From a Workshop on Psychotherapy\u003cbr\u003e\n-- from \u003ca href=\"https://www.shambhala.com/the-sanity-we-are-born-with-1298.html\"\u003eShambhala Publications\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\nBOOK: COLLECTED WORKS VOL 2: Selected Writings: From a Workshop on Psychotherapy\u003cbr\u003e\n-- from \u003ca href=\"https://www.shambhala.com/the-collected-works-of-chogyam-trungpa-383.html\"\u003eShambhala Publications\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\nJOURNAL: LOKA 2: A JOURNAL FROM NAROPA INSTITUTE (out-of-print): edited by Rick Fields, pp 71-73, \"From a Workshop on Psychotherapy\"\u003cbr\u003e\n-- from \u003ca href=\"https://www.amazon.com/LOKA-2-Journal-Naropa-Institute/dp/B0051H89NW/ref=sr_1_2\"\u003eAmazon\u003c/a\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Transcription Credits"]},"value":{"en":["Mar 22 2020 to Jun 09 2021 Transcribing: Ella Milligan Checking: Leandra Ziegler Final Proof: Ruth Veleta Other Contributors: Lynn Friedman, Warner Dick"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["© Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved. Not to be Distributed or Reproduced."]}},{"label":{"en":["Year"]},"value":{"en":["1975"]}}],"summary":{"en":["In-depth discussion about psychotherapy, Buddhism and related topics. Trungpa Rinpoche connects the experience of eternity and nowness. Generating a sense of eternity, permanence, as problematic. Eternity as sense of presence --  nowness. Meditation comes in as without goal orientation, desire to change. In extensive Q\u0026amp;A with workshop participants, discussion on working with negative emotions in therapy [Q11]. Questioner observes that his training encourages  people to express, release emotions, whereas Maitri approach is being with, watching them. Trungpa Rinpoche indicates starting point as making relationship with their energies, rather than focusing on expressing them. Agrees keeping them down not recommended. Explore the texture, quality, rising and falling of emotions, rather than doing something with them. Other topics include relationship between meditation and psychotherapy; attitude of \"recovering from\" or getting rid of something in therapy, versus accepting, working with what you are.  Buddhist view of neurosis as a counterpart to wisdom: can't have one without the other. Even in attainment of enlightenment neurosis still there but transformed into energy. Role of therapist as helping people develop friendliness toward themselves.   When asked what enlightenment is Trungpa Rinpoche says it's \"peeling away skins\", and in the absence a sense of presence dawns. Questioner [Q24] asks about bringing Buddhist techniques into therapy process. Trungpa Rinpoche says it's more about bringing attitude of therapist, their own experience of Buddhism. Not to be dogmatic but improvise in working with client. Introducing to them ideas of impermanence and ego, and developing real relationship, journey together. Trungpa Rinpoche agrees with questioner [25] that tremendous pressure to \"change\" in therapy is not necessary."]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["© Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved. Not to be Distributed or Reproduced."]}},"provider":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["Chogyam Trungpa Digital Library"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["Chogyam Trungpa Digital Library"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/209/original/cti-library-logo-blue-text.png?1672724952","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/168/423/small/Logo-Audio-Red.png?1666469295","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 1 - 19750813VCTR2-Audio-Prod-CTIAutoRmstr-Access.mp3"]},"duration":3175.15754,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/168/423/small/Logo-Audio-Red.png?1666469295","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423/content/1/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-cti.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/168/423/original/19750813VCTR2-Audio-Prod-CTIAutoRmstr-Access.mp3?1665519648","type":"Audio","format":"audio/mpeg","duration":3175.15754,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423/transcript/40570","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["19750813VCTR2-Transcript-Timed [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423/transcript/40570/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[19750813VCTR2 - Naropa Institute - Talk to First Psychotherapy Workshop]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]\r\n\r\n\r\nCTI SLATE: This is the Venerable Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, Naropa Institute, talk given at first psychotherapy workshop, in Boulder, Colorado, on August 13th, 1975. This is a CTI auto-remaster made March, 2020.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423#t=0.0,29.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423/transcript/40570/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: MAIN TALK]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Suppose we could discuss the question of eternity and nowness. That seem to be a somewhat basic point. There is a usual tendency of, in our life, of trying to seek some kind of eternity, and one trying to understand the eternity and trying to seek eternity. That is to say, that trying to understand the eternity of the past and trying to seek some kind of solution to continue to the eternity of the future. And that seem to be the problematic case. There is a certain tendency to trying to get into some kind of goal orientation, and some tendency to compete with one oneself, or compete with others, and trying to emulate the heroes. And that tend to bring a certain sense of anxiety, and the mental chatter, the thought process, becomes a constant interruption. That we can't keep up on top of the situation all the time, so there is some kind anxiety takes place, since we can't stretch out as we wanted, to be in a completely solid situation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423#t=29.0,163.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423/transcript/40570/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And the question of nowness seem to come along in this particular point, and when we begin to realize that the eternity does not exist in terms of long-term situations, but maybe eternity in the sense of a presence -- nowness. That's the practice of meditation actually comes into that situation, where that there's no goal orientation and there's no particular desire to reform oneself into a certain particular category or a desire to make oneself into a certain-- following certain particular model. And that seem to be somewhat the basic point.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423#t=163.0,215.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423/transcript/40570/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I'm just putting this issue and discussion, and maybe we should discuss about that particular point or reference, and if you like to join in discussion you're welcome, if you have anything to say about that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423#t=215.0,247.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423/transcript/40570/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 1]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: I have a general question. It has to be general because at the beginning you can go into so many details. I'm wondering a lot about the differences between meditation and psychotherapy. It would be helpful to name some dimensions, I suppose, in a general way. There seems to be a similarity in bringing about some change.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I suppose actually difference comes from individual’s attitude, basically. And, in fact in the process of undergoing through discipline, either meditation or psychotherapy, it's individual's attitude -- that if their attitude is constantly trying to recover from whatever, then seem to become the popular term \"therapeutic.\" It is that by using or doing certain things in a certain way, hoping that you can get rid of certain things, overcome something. Or else the meditation-type approach is that acceptance in some sense, that you are what you are, and you have a lot of stuff in you, but nevertheless, that had to be worked with, had to be looked at, rather than trying to get rid of it particularly. So I think those are the two basic point. It's very vague one and quite general and quite rough one--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --but there is that kind of two different approach. We can't-- we could say the theistic approach or nontheistic approach kind of thing, you know, that things... and actually sometimes in popular Buddhist tradition, meditation is also regarded as some kind of cure, obviously -- but that's just purely myth, and nobody knows what's going to be cured, what's going to happen. But in the terms of process of meditating, individually when they sit down and meditate, the notion of cure someone who doesn't come into the picture, you know that-- and if there was one, then it becomes psychotherapy rather than meditation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423#t=247.0,426.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423/transcript/40570/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 2]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: How do you relate that to the use of the term \"neurotic\" though, as a [INAUDIBLE] person? Or the term \"neurotic\" carries with it something that implies a potential [INAUDIBLE] therapy?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, not necessarily, it's immaterial. And it's a kind of basic substance. That the neurotic aspect is the counterpart of the wisdom at the same time, so you know you can't have just either one or the other, you have to have both. And in the ideal situate-- sense that when such thing as attainment enlightenment takes place, that neurosis are still there but they become immense energy. Just usage of words, you know, and \"energy\" is a sort of euphemism for \"neurosis\" from that point of view. So, at the notion of relative reference, like if there had to be light there got to be darkness, to compare the two situations.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423#t=426.0,493.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423/transcript/40570/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 3]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: Well that's one difference, then. In classical analysis, psychoanalysis, or in Reichian character analysis, the practitioners always claim to alter fundamental characterological structure. And that also therefore meant the elimination of the continuous neurosis. You're saying, just then, the neurosis even in enlightened ones would continue, by my understanding.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: So that's-- I hear that as a difference that's quite etched.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, well, I think basically idea is that the state of mind that we have can't be altered or changed. And it can be clarified a little bit, you know, sometimes that we try not be ourselves in something else, so you had to be put back to what you are, you know, rather than sort of reform into something else. And that seem to be going against the current, from Buddhist point of view.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: Many held that never-- character structure never was changed or altered in that very intense kind of psychoanalytic character attempt.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423#t=493.0,575.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423/transcript/40570/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 4]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Do you think if therapy were done with the point of view of helping someone become more aware of themselves and accept themselves more, that that would be from more of a Buddhist point of view, it would be consistent--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think basically, yes, in the sense that there's a lot of disliking oneself and would like to-- don't want to see oneself, so idea is to project some sense of friendliness to oneself.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: And that seem to be the role of the teacher or the therapist, whatever. And that's why our program is called \"maitri\", which means \"friendliness\" you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423#t=575.0,626.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423/transcript/40570/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 5]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: Freeing up energy is an important concept in psychotherapy--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Sorry?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: *Freeing* up energy, releasing energy, is also an important concept in psychotherapy, so I guess there is a parallel there.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. Well, I think it's-- energy is not regarded as that threat to you. You know that there is often fear of that energy might take over the whole thing and you become insignificant. So, you know, that's not so much of that is the case, but it's distrust in one's own limbs, you know, kind of thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423#t=626.0,669.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423/transcript/40570/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 6]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: How do you see a particular kind of symbolism, such as omens in one's life? Like you mentioned that, in your book, that you had an automobile accident, changed your life in some way. You saw that as an omen, a coincidence. You ran into Allen Ginsberg on 42nd Street, [laughs] yeah. There are a lot of these kinds of coincidences that can be treated from a psychotherapeutic point of view as expressions of the unconscious and so on, but I'm more interested in how you see, you know, from your point of view, these kinds of events.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I think... it's interesting point is that such signs comes takes place in one's life -- particularly if you are open a little bit, you know, then the situation is seem to be clear in your mind and your relationship to world, so there's no barrier, so therefore world can come in and then attack you or shake you up, you know -- that seem to be, depends on how much open you are. And those things are, in some sense, signs of one's intunement [sic] with their-- with the world. And more you are intuned [sic] there is a clear message comes through. And if you are unable to tune in to completely, then nothing happens as against brick wall.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: Yeah, or you’re puzzled or you’re, you know, you *search* for the meaning of it that's puzzling you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423#t=669.0,772.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423/transcript/40570/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, yeah. Well it's-- sometimes it sort of act as a guideline, you know, in a lot of cases that we had throughout a whole thing, throughout the history of Naropa and Vajradhatu organization, that we had a lot of successive messages and, you know, successive panics and situations that come up, you know. It's that we had to take advantage of it, we had to sort of leap in, and try to do it. And you know that seem to be a sort of governing factor of one's life in a very-- that you have some plans obviously, you know, but at the same time plan is carried out with some kind of encouragement, which is not just speaking to somebody and who says, \"What you are doing is great,\" but there is some kind of cosmic, you know, tune is plays behind your back, you know, all the time.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Muzak. [Laughs; laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423#t=772.0,848.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423/transcript/40570/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER7: But you don't-- at no time try to analyze that or do-- you know--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: --the analyst would a lot of times try to convert it into different symbols or--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Somehow that doesn't help, you know--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: Right. Right.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --you know. Then it could become a-- there could be some kind of sign but you don't know whether you go along with it or go against it, you know, and once you-- then you get completely confused.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423#t=848.0,884.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423/transcript/40570/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNCONFIRMED GEORGE: I remember driving out to Boulder for the first time, and I'd see -- I had just read [THE TEACHINGS OF] DON JUAN -- so I'd see these clouds in the sky, and you know, and then I'd say, \"Ah, it's a symbol,\" you know like cultivation. And that seemed to be a terrible mistake in the end because like, it would be like kind of very hopeful, incredibly hopeful quality--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nUNCONFIRMED GEORGE: --and I was going-- I was going to ask whether-- somehow whether the symbolism is very pure, like it's just pure in what happens in the event, maybe the startling event or the simple event, just in your life, and--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nUNCONFIRMED GEORGE: --you don't--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, it's kind of unconditional one you know, it does not speak for or against but just appears, in its own pure form. And people do talk about, you know, that they been saved their life.\r\n\r\n\r\nUNCONFIRMED GEORGE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: And all kinds of things. It's a--\r\n\r\n\r\nUNCONFIRMED GEORGE: Or maybe you did but you don't really kind of know it until like maybe fifteen or twenty years later or something.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. [Laughs] Maybe hundred years later. [Laughter; laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423#t=884.0,955.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423/transcript/40570/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 7]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: So George, that reminds me of something. George has sort of been trying to convert us into pessimists, [laughter] in you know, in the sense of there's nothing, you shouldn't expect anything, you shouldn't hope for anything. I don't pick up that quality from you, and I don't pick up that quality of pessimism from the people around you.\r\n\r\n\r\nUNCONFIRMED GEORGE: I pick it up from him. [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423#t=955.0,976.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423/transcript/40570/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Pessimism. Well I think one of the problems is that if you have a certain kind of-- if you pick up a certain kind of style that you can pigeonhole. You know, you're supposed to follow the optimism or the pessimism, and then everything will be converted according to that particular situation all the time. So, you are sort of left without any intelligence. And I think it's basically what we're saying is neither of those, or both of those maybe, but just simply kind of clarity, the basic clarity, sometimes become pessimistic and sometimes become optimistic, you know. And there is no sort of political line that you have to take [laughing] particularly, so to speak. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423#t=976.0,1036.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423/transcript/40570/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 8]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: One problem I've had here at Naropa is, it kind of-- I feel a lot of preaching about being aware, being mindful, and in my meditation here I find it rather like your picture of the lichens on the rock -- just totally filled with detail, you know, my breathing, my walking. And how does this-- it's paradoxical when I-- it-- to me as far as the space of the mind. How can I be \"spaceful\" and totally aware all the time? How can I be [INAUDIBLE]?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423#t=1036.0,1072.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423/transcript/40570/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, you see the awareness is not regarded as -- for one thing, let me make quite clear at this point -- awareness is not regarded as the ordinary idea of awareness that when we talk about \"beware, be careful,\" there's a warding [sic: warding off] of-- a warding of danger, you know, something might happen, be careful, beware. You know, you might step into the puddles or something like that might happen. That's-- it's not that kind of awareness we are talking about. We are talking about just unconditional presence. And that is not expected to be there all the time like sun shining or, you know, sun shines through the whole day, but we are talking about a glimpse of it, you know, there is a fraction of second of presence. And in fact the aware-- in order to be completely aware that you have to disown the experience of awareness. After you had the, you know, experience of the presence, then disown it and not regard as yours but just there, disown it. So then somehow there's a general clarity takes place. So awareness is glimpse, rather than you know being there all the time.\r\n\r\n\r\nAnd you are right, you can't hold onto awareness, because then it will be like self-consciousness rather than awareness. It's not possible. Awareness had to be unmanufactured, you know, it had to be natural state. And natural state can only occurred when you are-- there is a kind of gap, there is a kind of joke and openness, you know, then you disown it and-- the effect continues like seeing [UNCLEAR: flash of light? flashlight?] on your eyes, you still see the effect of it. I mean the whole thing had to be done rather than you can't really talk about it. It's...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423#t=1072.0,1184.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423/transcript/40570/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER10: Well, I find myself being in that without trying, you know, the meanings or I'll look at the tree or somebody has walked by, and that will be just lights and shadows and no particular [UNCLEAR: means no?] and maybe it's a fascination, a feeling. But this is happening more and more, so that my mind is kind of always -- well not always, certainly -- but more and more just being aware, and then I kind of miss those empty spaces where creative thoughts or fantasies, daydreams, and things come in.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: You mean you miss [UNCLEAR: just being the rock? the grass and the rock?]--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: [INAUDIBLE WORDS] [laughs] [UNCLEAR: yeah? you know?] .\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: Pick it up now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423#t=1184.0,1245.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423/transcript/40570/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 9]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: I have a leftover question from the second lecture. I got involved talking to you about gay liberation. I think it was the second lecture when we [UNCLEAR: started?]. And I was wondering if-- got the impression that you considered exclusive homosexuality as some kind of trap and something that isn't desirable. Is that true?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I think if anything is it doesn't matter whether we are talking about homosexuality or whatever. Any kind of exclusive experience you know, without opening up seem to be problematic, you know, that you are stuck with that particular thing.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: Would you consider exclusively heterosexual problematic also?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, how far sexuality can extend, you know -- there's only man and woman.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: What do you mean \"how far\"?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I mean how far can you extend sexuality -- there's only two sex.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: But there's also man and man, and woman and woman.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, that makes four, I suppose. How far can you go, beyond that?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: No, that's enough, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, it's... [laughs; laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: So, I don't follow. Are you--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I think within the sort of limit of situation, that if one is going to pick and choose into one particular situation alone, and particularly feminine and masculine principle is very powerful thing in our life. That I think one has to experience, you know, the femininity in us as well as masculineness in us at the same time. That-- I mean that does not necessarily purely relate with the sex alone but it's just the general principle that, you know, in order to take a shower you use both cold and hot.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: Right.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: So you're saying it's more experiencing those parts of ourselves than it is who we love?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well that's important. I think that's very important that we-- otherwise we sort of got hang-up in the-- in a sort of the superficial aspect of it alone. And people try to do all kinds of things with it, with just try to change or reform oneself in the superficially, but not making any dent inside.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: Mhmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423#t=1245.0,1416.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423/transcript/40570/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 10]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: You talk a great deal about impermanence, and I was wondering if-- how you felt about some things that are permanent.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Such as?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: Pardon me?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Such as?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: I don't know, I'm asking you. I mean you seem to-- the feeling is that most things *are* impermanent. Maybe-- I felt-- I feel like there's some things that are permanent, but I'm not sure what they are.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423#t=1416.0,1444.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423/transcript/40570/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I think only permanent thing is impermanent. [Laughter] And I don't see anything else, you know. I mean it had to change, had to grow, or had to decay, or had to refresh itself, you know, that otherwise we wouldn't be functioning at all, you're sort of stuck anyway. Reason why we are growing old, or reason why we are sitting down and getting up and doing things and, you know, is because we are, you know, the victim of discontinuity. And we might say that ideas are maybe permanent, but even ideas had to dwell on thought process, memories, which are occasionally, all the time sort of flickering, again and again, so [UNCLEAR: plant?] itself. So, I mean in the situation on level of psychological level there is nothing really such thing as permanent except the discontinuity itself, you know, which is continuous.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423#t=1444.0,1518.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423/transcript/40570/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 11]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: In the Maitri experience, you talk about kind of transmuting energies, taking neurotic qualities, the solid qualities, things that make one anxious, say kind of transmuting them, more of a clarity, more of a finer energy. It seems like in psychotherapy, a lot of times, when one is going through or experiencing a negative feelings, that one is encouraged to express those negative feelings. In the way-- in the expression of those negative feelings, there is some type of release, rather than holding them back. I'm kind of wondering how you see that in relation to just being in let's say the Maitri postures room, the negativity coming out, sort of just being with the negativity and kind of watching it. Seems to be two different ways of working with the energy.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: I'd like to talk about that.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, well, I think basically the idea of the energy is that before we get anywhere, that we have to make relationship with our energies, with our emotions. And usually when we talk about \"expressing\" energies, that we are more concerned with expression rather than itself, so that seem to be sort of too soon or rushing too fast, something like that. So, the basic idea is that to start right at the beginning -- that trying to make some relationship, personal relationship, rather than relationship of expression, alone. But you know like when anger arises, that not so much of that how you express hitting pillows, or knocking down your teapot, or slapping in somebody's face, but--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423#t=1518.0,1659.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423/transcript/40570/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER15: There is a-- the sense at least on way I was trained in psychotherapy that, let's say one is not used to expressing--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: --they suppress those feelings inside of oneself--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: --sort of turning the energy back on themselves--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: --where they're kind of deadened, or I guess in the Buddhist tradition they're in the hell realm--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: --that-- it seems that it would be very dangerous just to keep them-- to keep them down.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423#t=1659.0,1690.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423/transcript/40570/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, it's not question of keeping them down particularly -- that would be also expressing in some ways, you know, keeping them down. That also is not particularly recommended, or expressing them out particularly in terms of the product of the emotions, but making a relationship with it first.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: Could you talk-- I'm not sure what you mean by that.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, it's a-- we talked about that already a few minutes ago in terms of that we have a distrustful attitude to our energies. That they might control us, and so we become insignificant. So that that kind of basic split is already there -- that energy is not you and you have no control unless you do something with it. And that seem to be the basic problem, so the idea is to actually able to see the texture or quality of that, and rising and falling of that particular in your mind. And if you are not particularly concerned with what we going to do with it, but what it *is* first, you know, that to examine the whole thing.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: But so you-- what you're saying is by fully experiencing or seeing the texture of let's say different emotions--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, yeah, which is not particularly suppressing or expressing.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: Okay. There seems to be a problem that I've been having in meditation, is that there seems to be a very subtle point of where like when a certain kind of feeling comes up, whether I'm kind of pushing it down, or rather of it just going away by its own accord. It seems to be.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I think-- if you suppress, you mean, pushing down?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: Pushing down, right.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That is also doing something with it. And that's also the signs of separation between you and your emotions, therefore you got do something with it. You know, that's also a problem, but when actually it's dealt and related properly and it rises to the peak, and also then sort of returns back to one's energy bank -- you know, that sort of recharging process takes place.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: Is that what you mean by \"transmutation\"?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, transmutation is this like in the analogy of lead changing into gold. It-- that you don't reject the metallic aspect of it, but you just change the real vibration.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: Seems to be a real difference, you know, in psychotherapy. A lot of people like in the Reichian therapy or primal therapy where encourage people to let out all of their anger, let's say, and their hatred, and by-- and their theory is that again the reintegration of the ego will come by itself by expressing these energies--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: --and from your point of view you're saying that by just being related to the energies, not suppressing them but not expressing them, kind of just being with them--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: --there's a certain of change, if I can use that word--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, well you see--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: --that will take place.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423#t=1690.0,1885.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423/transcript/40570/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You see the final thing is that once you have developed a harmonious relationship with that, and then you can actually express, if you like, but the style of expression becomes a very sane one and right on the point. The idea is that seem to be the whole thing is like expressing these kind of tantric thing, which is, you know, the final crescendo and final power. And--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: You mean after you relate with the energy then?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, and in some point when you are completely confident in your own energy, that you have harmonious relationship with your own energy, and then the expression-- expressing becomes also, you know, possible, but does not become neurotic one particularly. That would be a maybe skillful one, a very accurate one. So, the-- from Buddhist point of view the expressing sort of comes last. You know the idea is that you're sort of-- the idea is that you're wasting a lot of valuable materials like by just purely trying to release.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: You mean by reacting?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: By reacting, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: [UNCLEAR: Sort of?].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: So an expression-- a true expression in the Buddhist point of view would be from a place of acting--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: --rather than reacting.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, that's right, yeah. Well, we got to try it. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423#t=1885.0,1990.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423/transcript/40570/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER16: So, in the meantime well-- when we're trying to make a relationship with it, that means like say anger comes up, just sitting with it?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, not necessarily sitting with it, but you know, it's question is that it's-- anger is *you*. It's-- anger is not something else, so it's part of you, and you have to make much more connection with *you* than something extra, you know, and you don't just sit. That would be just still kind of somewhat like bad marriage, or something like that you know -- we just sit with it but somehow there is no relationship. It's-- emotion is not regarded as like personal shit, you know, that you should flush down or do something with it, but emotions are part of you, part of your limbs, you know, your limbs are the emotions, energy. If you don't have energy or emotions that there's nothing to move, nothing to-- no way to, you know, put things into effect. So, there has to be some kind of real relationship with emotions and regarding as part of you to begin with.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER16: [Whispering] That’s hard.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423#t=1990.0,2087.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423/transcript/40570/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER17: Are you suggesting that like if we're in a group and someone has-- is feeling anger, that we don't necessarily encourage them to express it but to just be aware of it?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I don't know where what else-- it's question of not so much of that when we say about \"anger\" that we have a different idea already -- that there's something different than you, separate from you, and that separation makes problematic situation. That when someone feels, you know, anger and it's a part of you and feel properly, feel properly rather than you know anger possessing you.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER17: Hmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423#t=2087.0,2131.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423/transcript/40570/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER18: There is this view of Western psychotherapy that doesn't believe in expression of feelings, we just talk about them. We experience them and talk about them. In Western psychotherapy we feel that -- I don’t think we use the word \"Western psychotherapy\" -- but we-- I think there's a feeling that it's an interpersonal relationship that matters, and the influence of people on each other can change the balance of energy forces. And I don't see any conflict with your ideas and what they're saying, actually, in the many schools of thought in therapy that we experience.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I think it's individual's problem in fact from this point of view. It's not particular doctrinal one, but it's that we feel uncomfortable with our emotions, and what should we do with it, you know -- it's something unpleasant that's hanging out. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423#t=2131.0,2195.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423/transcript/40570/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 12]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER19: How is Buddhism a religion?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I don't know whether we call it \"religion\" or-- religion is supposed to mean, what was it? Binding together?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER20: Binding back [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Binding back, combining the whole thing. So, from that point of view, it's that there's journey and there's the path that become one, you know if it's a kind of-- you work with your own path in order take journey. And from that point of view, I suppose you can't say it's a doctrine but it's a religion from that point of view, but not in a religion sense of theism or nontheism particularly from that point of view.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423#t=2195.0,2246.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423/transcript/40570/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 13]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER21: How do you then handle the question of the origin of things? Theism is generally invoked for that purpose.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I don't see any particular problems there, you know.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER21: [INAUDIBLE WORDS].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, well, what do you think?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER21: Well the easy way out is to say that this has always existed and it will always exist, even though it's impermanent and all of that. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER21: In other words no starting point and no ending point is simplest way to deal with it in a nontheistic model.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What kind of \"this\" are you taking about? The physical or the psychological world?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER21: I suppose I'm talking about, quote, experience. I'm talking about whatever is happening right now.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. Well, I think it's perpetual process that, you know, that previous situation died and next situation be born because of their death -- you know, it's chain.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER21: Yes, that I can grasp and understand--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER21: --but is there beginning point and is there an end point?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I suppose you start with nowhere and something happen, you know, like how the atoms begin or how the germs begin, you know, it's the same way as the whole thing begin that way. So I think there a lot of similarity between that idea and-- and-- and science, and you know such a things evolve by themselves and they start from nowhere, you know they-- at the beginning there was no father and mother, there was just \"it\" and then \"it\" sort of split into two and it becomes father and mother, and you know children begin to grow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423#t=2246.0,2350.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423/transcript/40570/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 14]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER22: What is enlightenment? [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, the easy way out of that is what *isn't* enlightenment, [laughter] I suppose. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423#t=2350.0,2362.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423/transcript/40570/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER22: It's easier to know what isn't than what is.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. Well, I think the Buddhist way of viewing things is first you find out what isn't, and then you begin to peel out all the skins, and then probably you find the absence of everything is there's some kind of presence exist. And that basically idea of enlightenment is in Sanskrit word \"bodhi\" which means kind of \"awake,\" \"wakeful.\" And I suppose the ultimate idea is that unconditional state of wakefulness, which is-- happens to us occasionally. That we be talking about the awareness question the other-- the previous minute, so, and that's kind of same thing and you know there is a sense of intelligence operating all the time but overcrowded. And--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423#t=2362.0,2422.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423/transcript/40570/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER22: Well, what-- if you're totally aware, do you suppose you get beyond the natural awareness, into another realm? You see, it seems to me like you're always talking about the \"here and now\" and \"reality\", and I guess my problem was, what do you mean by \"reality\"? Do you mean, you know, the chair and the table or do you mean the sort of things you see on trees sometimes when you're really very aware which is beyond it, the tree, and beyond the leaves and you know and the space around you and the glow and so forth. And then you-- you know what I mean?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, well I suppose \"reality\" is in other word it's a kind of the-- free from relative reference. And that's the reality of the *real* thing is, you know, it's free from relative reference that you have to \"if that exist then this happens\" you know, that kind of thing. It's some kind of not needing for confirmation and security. And we have talk about chairs and tables of course as well that's included you know, it's the \"chair-ness\" and the \"table-ness.\" Which is more than it \"is\" you know, in some sense. And there a lot of clarity, you know, comes out of those things as well, at the perception level.\r\n\r\n\r\n[GAP IN AUDIO]\r\n\r\n\r\nBut then we're talking about free from even the clarity, from some point of view, you know, no reference point. Clarity opposed to confusion, but just sort of complete open, and there is a word for it [UNCLEAR: anyway?].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423#t=2422.0,2542.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423/transcript/40570/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER22: Could-- [GAP IN AUDIO]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No, I think there's lot of differences between the two, or there's a relationship. 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And you're willing to take leap, you know, without resistance.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423#t=2542.0,2633.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423/transcript/40570/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER22: I guess what I was thinking of is, since I've been involved with the teachings I feel a sense of hopelessness in the first sense of how you stated it -- like giving up trying to make it better and hustling to get it together. And I-- there's also the sense of movement from the hinayana to the vajrayana, okay, so there's-- and I was wondering if like becoming rooted in a real hopelessness possibly--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, you know--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER22: --leads to nothing to protect.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. Yeah, there's-- I mean there's no fear, you know fearless. It's-- there's no cowardness [sic], no hesitation, which comes from also of course sense of precision and clarity after dying. I think that's a quite simple one actually.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423#t=2633.0,2708.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423/transcript/40570/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 15]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER23: I haven't heard really anything from you or anything here about reincarnation. And I was wondering how that-- how does that tie in with impermanence?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: With impermanence? Well that's a very good question actually. That's... the idea of reincarnation, we have alternate terminology problem there, that \"incarnate\" is some kind of continuity there, and in the Buddhist tradition we don't talk about \"reincarnation\" but we talk about \"rebirth\", which is basic differences. And when we talk about rebirth that it's the continual rebirth that takes place in us all the time because of the discontinuity. And the physical birth and death is sort of crude version of that, you know, that there is death and then that experience of death, and then that continues into our next life, because result of the discontinuity. And I mean otherwise nobody can be born if it's completely permanent, and in order to be born is-- birth is expression of death in some sense you could say, so which is also expression of impermanence. 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Do you have to say something?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423#t=2794.0,2805.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423/transcript/40570/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER24: There's been a lot of concern with, in the inner group, with the impact of Buddhism on therapy. And there's a couple of things that really came up that were, actually became very irritating, I think for everybody. And that was that there was-- first of all there was Maitri, which was like a very direct application of Buddhism in a therapeutic manner. But then there was that if you weren't a Maitri therapist, well then you were another therapist, doing something else, and there was a kind of search for techniques that you could possibly take away from Buddhism.\r\n\r\n\r\nAnd the other thing that came up was that possibly the only impact at this initial stage of Buddhism here in America or Buddhism with an impact on therapy, would be the effect of the-- of Buddhism on the therapist, and then in turn the effect of the change in the therapist on the client. And that even-- possibly even taking away a meditation technique that you would then you know go back and give to your clients even if you could do that, which maybe in many case you couldn't possibly do that, would-- could be a big mistake. I just wondered had-- what you felt about that?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Can you simplify little bit? [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER24: Yeah. Well, that the initial impact -- other than Maitri, which is a whole development of the whole application of Buddhism in therapy -- will simply be, and therefore maybe a lot of patience has to be involved of the effect of Buddhist practices on the therapist. And then maybe something will really sift through, no matter what the context is -- whether you're a behavior modification therapist, whether you're a psychoanalyst, it doesn't make any difference -- at that will really have-- could have a powerful effect. And that's all that we could hope for maybe, for quite awhile.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423#t=2805.0,2937.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423/transcript/40570/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I think, I don't see any particular problems, that this point we are talking about taking some kind of attitude, which is sort of based on the Buddhist experiences. And out of that any kind of style or techniques one might use, and as long as the presentation does not become too dogmatic, and it's-- in any case in therapeutic situations that you can't just always go along by the books, but you have to improvise a great deal, in working with somebody else. So, I think we're talking about not so much of should be doing this or should be doing that -- it's like cooking-book-type thing. But we are talking about developing some kind of insight, you know. I think the idea of impermanence is very important contribution there in understanding of that and understanding of the idea of ego, and then everything is individual application. And the problem could occur that if there's no relationship between the-- with the patients and doctor, if there's no relationship together then only result that you can take is go along with the books and what the original descriptions-- prescriptions has to say, but that seem to make a second-rate therapist anyway. So, I think if there is real relationship takes place and everything becomes part of one's own journey at the same time.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER24: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: And I don't see any particular problems there, very much. I mean we could make into problems, of course -- we could have, you know, debates of all kinds of things, but somehow fundamentally it's had to be-- that the whole thing seem to be based on idea of impermanence and ego and that kind of situation, and also had to be journey rather than one shot-- one communication-- one-way communication alone.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER24: Mhmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423#t=2937.0,3069.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423/transcript/40570/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER25: Could I add another word to that? My hope, when I think about what Buddhism can contribute, is that it will soften but-- or lessen somewhat the need that therapists that I know seem to have to have a changing effect on their patients or clients. It's *that* which I think is the most important part of the message, and it goes along with everything you said. You were spelling it out and I'm just kind of generalizing it, in terms of the tremendous pressure that the client *and* the therapist bring to the situation to have something change. And that is absolutely what's not necessary.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, precisely, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER25: And I feel the thing that drew me to you and-- was reading your book, in which *that* became clear. That here was a voice saying just that: \"Look at it. Don't try to change it.\"\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER25: And it seems to me that if Western therapy could go back to that -- because that's what I think Freud was standing for in the first place -- if they could go back to that -- [laughter] well Freud was basically an investigator. I think he was much less--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER25: --interested in curing than he was in finding out. And if we could only encourage our colleagues to go back to that position, that in itself would be tremendous change in a very subtle way.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. That's true. There you are. [Laughter] Okay, thank you very much.\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423#t=3069.0,3175.15754"}]},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423/transcript/40571","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["19750813VCTR2-Captions [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423/transcript/40571/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"CTI SLATE: This is the Venerable\nChogyam Trungpa 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workshop,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423#t=6.93,10.72"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423/transcript/40571/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in Boulder, Colorado,\non August 13th, 1975.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423#t=10.72,16.08"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423/transcript/40571/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This is a CTI auto-remaster\nmade March, 2020.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423#t=16.08,23.36"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423/transcript/40571/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE:\nSuppose we could discuss","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423#t=29.48,30.75"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423/transcript/40571/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the question of eternity\nand nowness.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423#t=30.75,38.69"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423/transcript/40571/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That seem to be\na somewhat basic point.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423#t=38.69,44.64"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423/transcript/40571/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There is a usual tendency of,\nin our life,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423#t=50.64,59.26"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423/transcript/40571/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of trying to seek\nsome kind of eternity,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423#t=59.26,66.91"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76124/file/168423/transcript/40571/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and one trying to\nunderstand the 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