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The trio explores subjects including audience awareness, spontaneous composition, and beat versus classic poetry, taking a couple questions from the audience. The session concludes with Chogyam Trungpa's poems: \"Silk Road\", \"Cynical Letter\", and \"In the land of promises\", read by his assistant David Rome.\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication"]},"value":{"en":["UNPUBLISHED"]}},{"label":{"en":["Transcription Credits"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eMay 31 2022 to Nov 07 2022 Transcribing: Ella Milligan Checking: Leandra Ziegler Final Proof: Leandra Ziegler Other Contributors: Lynn Friedman, Warner Dick\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["© Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved. Not to be Distributed or Reproduced."]}},{"label":{"en":["Year"]},"value":{"en":["1975"]}}],"summary":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eAn informal, somewhat chaotic panel discussion with Allen Ginsberg, Chogyam Trungpa, and Gregory Corso during Ginsberg's poetry class at Naropa Institute. The trio explores subjects including audience awareness, spontaneous composition, and beat versus classic poetry, taking a couple questions from the audience. The session concludes with Chogyam Trungpa's poems: \"Silk Road\", \"Cynical Letter\", and \"In the land of promises\", read by his assistant David Rome.\u003c/p\u003e"]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["© Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved. Not to be Distributed or Reproduced."]}},"provider":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["Chogyam Trungpa Digital Library"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["Chogyam Trungpa Digital Library"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/209/original/cti-library-logo-blue-text.png?1672724952","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/168/933/small/Logo-Audio-Red.png?1666560184","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 1 - 19750702VCTR2-Audio-Prod-CTIAutoRmstr-Access.mp3"]},"duration":3566.15831,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/168/933/small/Logo-Audio-Red.png?1666560184","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/content/1/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-cti.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/168/933/original/19750702VCTR2-Audio-Prod-CTIAutoRmstr-Access.mp3?1666560166","type":"Audio","format":"audio/mpeg","duration":3566.15831,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41137","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["19750702VCTR2-Transcript-Timed [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41137/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[19750702VCTR1 - Naropa Institute - Allen Ginsberg's Poetry Class at Karma Dzong] \r\n\r\n\r\n[Temporary transcript without timing and captions - coming soon!]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]\r\n\r\n\r\nCTI SLATE: This is the Venerable Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, Naropa Institute, poetry class with Allen Ginsberg, recorded in Boulder, Colorado on July 2nd, 1975. This is a CTI auto remaster made May 2022.\r\n\r\n\r\nORIGINAL SLATE: The Jack Kerouac School of Disembodied Poetics, Allen Ginsberg's second course, July 2nd, 1975. A class given at Karma Dzong with Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=0.0,45.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41137/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: INTRODUCTION]\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: We'll continue with the Tibetan poet and yogi, Chogyam Trungpa. What I thought would be interesting would be to get to the root of... Gregory, who is, in a sense, all ego, valiantly so.\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: Now, I excuse myself again, not to interrupt and to be nice today. I just *know* ego. [Laughter] I know ego like I know all religions, and I put them aside and check them out.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Myself, who am a mystery. [Laughter] \r\n\r\n\r\nAnd a greater mystery, Guru Trungpa.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Guru Trungpa. [Laughter; laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=45.0,118.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41137/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 1]\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: I gather from your lectures that you felt that the last few generations in American poetry were too much dominated by aggression and egotism. And my own feeling, actually, was that we as a group, as a community, we're putting-- we're dealing with that problem and we're aware of it, and had been aware of it for a long time. And I felt that some of your impression was taken not so much from the texts or poetic acts, so much as their interpretation in--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: TIME Magazine [INAUDIBLE] . [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: --in TIME Magazine. But no, the larger world conscious-- media consciousness which--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: --we've had trouble with, as yogis have had trouble with the misinterpretation of tantra. Though our practice has not been so ancient in terms of a specific lineage.\r\n\r\n\r\nAUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE] .\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Yeah. Though our practice as poets in America have not been so ancient and venerable and coherent over a long period of time.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=118.0,187.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41137/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ALLEN GINSBERG: There has been a funny kind of lineage in America. Beginning with at least Thoreau -- and maybe before, Walter Whitman -- through many solitaries like Emily Dickinson and Melville, who had a funny kind of bodhisattva national consciousness, and who were attempting to introduce another mode of consciousness into America. Not exactly a spiritual consciousness in a sense of spiritual materialist, but in a sense of listening and quiet and attention to the woods and attention to the land itself, which continues up through Gary Snyder.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: At its best practice, I think.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [UNCLEAR: At its?] best.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Yeah, well, with all the limitations, without an ancient tradition. Having-- the problem in America was making up. Bringing-- coming over from Europe and making up a culture, making up a language, and making up a poetics in a land that was in a sense a void before us -- or actually, blindly seen as void, but actually a land stolen. So the poets who've had that on their conscience and have had to deal with that. So how does that sound?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=187.0,272.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41137/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well it sounds... similar way what I feel. It's the... the question of how we-- where this all come from. And we might have history in background and chain reactions which we can't actually get out of. Such as like the political situation in this country. That no great president can change the whole world at once. He had to go along with the system of pattern that went on and trying to resume continuity of some kind. And the same thing always happens with the kind of organization, or even unorganized organization. There's always a problem.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=272.0,328.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41137/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But the basic question I would like to get into is the poetry situation, in which that maybe it is too sacred to discuss, or maybe it's not too sacred to discuss. But there has been a kind of attitude in poetry. Some of them are based on idea of personal conviction. And some of them based on idea of reaction against or for it, you know, constantly taking place. And some of them based on some romantic situations. And there are lot of situation that you want to bring something onto the surface by, you know, finger painting the language.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=328.0,387.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41137/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But one of the basic problems seem to be is the how the writer of the poetry respond at the time of writing. When you have a line in your head, and you pick your pen and paper and you begin to write down, whether that you regard your particular poetry that you're going to write down is your baby, that you're about to give birth, or whether it is just instead of sitting on the toilet seat. And there is also usually awareness of audience, generally. That there are no poets are completely write poetry for themselves really, per se. If you really track down the-- their subconscious mind completely, and there's some sense of audience, that to whom you are addressing this particular situation. Or you might write a haiku or you might write a traditional Western style or concrete poetry or whatever you do, but there is awareness of audience.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=387.0,474.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41137/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But that awareness of audience seem to be not so much of that you want to address the nation, as such, particularly; but it's part of your mind, which is act as the audience, say, \"Oh yes, great. Come along and write more.\" And occasionally criticizing, \"That maybe you change this line, put something better. And this line is weak and this had to be more punctuations over here.\" There is subconscious gossip that continues along with the original inspiration, which makes poets are schizophreniac, somewhat, basically. And a lot of great poets with vision have survived from that problem, although they might have start with that way. And a lot of people seem to have suffered from that as well at the same time. And that gap between you and yourself become bigger and bigger and greater. So then you begin to get resentful and angry, and you blame on society or whatever you might do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=474.0,532.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41137/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So I think it's question of like giving a talk in public is different, because you have people listening to you, reacting to you. But when you are alone by yourself writing poetry, you don't have a visible audience but you are acting yourself as audience -- your version of the audience, your version. And that has created lot of problems, neurosis, as well as maybe lot of insight. In the traditional poetries in tantra, for instance, are written in the language of nonduality, what's known as nonduality. That is to say, there's no \"that\" and no \"this.\" Everything is \"it\", the statement of \"it.\" There again that the poet have to have some sense of awareness of separateness, you and yourself. And when you have awareness of separateness, then could be unified, it could be nonduality. Otherwise if whole thing right at the beginning is just one, you can't even write. There's no inspiration; there's no love affairs involved. That seem to be general pattern.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=532.0,619.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41137/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In Tibetan tradition, particularly, there are no such thing as poetry, per se, as separate entity. They're all written in form of songs. And some of the prose that is written also could be taken as poetry. But however, it's still goes with the rhythm. Not rhythm in the sense of writing a tune for it, but there is a sense of melody, which is based on basic inspiration, what the present situation is asking for. And there's another angle that we can approach from that point is the poet who work on-- writes about past, or the poets who work on the present, on the present theme. Has interesting point. Such as like take an example of Milarepa's songs. Lot of his earlier ones are past oriented -- how terrible the samsara was, and how it be mean to me, and all the kind of other things. And whereas his latest writings, that he doesn't seem to be care about that particular issue, as such, particularly. And he is begin to be more of present oriented.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=619.0,717.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41137/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think you might see there is change taking place, Allen's writings lately, his recent writings, his improvisational poems and spontaneous thought poems, opposed to his earlier writings of needing a further reference point. And you'll see some kind of change is taking place in that situation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=717.0,745.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41137/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 2]\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: What I was thinking while you were talking about earlier -- who is writing? The way my own practice is, is am I writing for a public or am I writing for myself? Or is there a self anyway? But am I writing for a public? Originally I wrote with an idea of pleasing friends and professors, or impressing them. At one point I turned aside and began writing something that I didn't think would be published, but for friends and my own-- just my own thoughts. And that turned out to be public -- that that was \"Howl.\" But I didn't think I would be publishing it, originally. And what it was was just notations of what I actually thought, that is, the thoughts that went through my mind, like I really like Gregory Corso. And despite certain worldly appearances, there's a very basic thread of trust somewhere on a very deep level that constantly is insulted or insulting to the world.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=745.0,816.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41137/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But there is something beyond that that I trust more than I trust my own immediate responses of anger or irritation or ego hurt or whatever you want to call it. So the writing of \"Howl\" is an expression of that deeper trust, which was actually a trust in my mother who was in a madhouse. And who, to worldly appearance would -- and to my own sort of conscious mind -- was a loss, and a drag. But I found in my heart that she wasn't, or there was some heart left there for her. Which was very difficult to reveal to my father or to family, but which I was able to reveal in poetry. So I was talking to myself in a sense or talking--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=816.0,865.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41137/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ALLEN GINSBERG: --*of* myself, talking *from* myself or writing out of feeling. Now, in that kind of writing, I'm -- especially later since I became famous, so that I knew automatically whatever I wrote would be read by a public -- the problem has always been to stick to my first thoughts or stick to my original heart thoughts, and not revise to smooth it out or make it more generalized for the public. So that, in a sense, what I have to do is catch myself thinking and then write it down. Or catch myself verbalizing or catch myself reacting, and then realize that, oh that was an authentic or that was myself, or that was this being, that was me doing it. And that requires then being a different me every day, that is, recording that me but without any sense of a continuous identity -- or without any sense of a fixed identity. A continuous identity that changes, but not one that is-- that I would want to subscribe to as being me forever.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=865.0,932.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41137/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So it finally comes to a phrase I read in Thomas Hardy, who wrote \"to the true philosophy of life,\" speaking of the poet he was. He wrote \"to the true philosophy of life seems to lie in recording the diverse appearances of phenomena as and when they occur,\" rather than setting out a specific philosophical background to stick to all the time, or specific identity to stick to all the time. So it's actually a question of breaking the rules of your own identity constantly -- or having foun-- finding them broken, and registering that in writing. So it's almost like fishing and requires that kind of patience. So that sort of, for me, resolves the question of what is the role-- what is-- what am I doing-- or what is my responsibility to the public? Because after I first started publishing, people came up to me and said-- Marxists or religious-- religiosos said, \"You have a responsibility now.\" And I kept saying, \"Well I don't have any responsibility except to record actually what I was thinking a minute ago, or what I thought I was thinking.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=932.0,1004.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41137/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So my sense of responsibility was the responsibility to talk to myself, or to remember talking to myself, and *not* to judge or not to create a system in a way. And I always felt sort of safe in that, safe from making the error of picking up an idea and pushing it aggressively on myself or others. And I think in America now, since people practice a lot of spontaneous composition, that idea of no fixed identity but registering the actual events of consciousness is understood now before-- more than it ever had been before. That before one would write a poem *about* something, set out in advance writing about Old Ironsides or about the Revolution or about truth or about beauty or about virtue or about... no virtue or about disappointment in life, and taking it as a fixed philosophy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=1004.0,1070.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41137/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 3]\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: Rinpoche, do you think Botticelli was a Neoplatonist?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I don't know.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: You studied Aesthetics at Har-- at Oxford.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: You might know. [pause] You're interrupting my thoughts. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: You paused, you paused! \r\n\r\n\r\nI thought the three of us up here together...\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Fifty of us up here together.\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: All right, then wow. Let me get in the audience and really open my mouth. [Enters the audience and begins conversing with some of them] Now, [UNCLEAR: how about you three?] [Laughter] Now you see, I gave both the three of you [UNCLEAR: some good?] .\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: What? [Laughter] What? What?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=1070.0,1120.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41137/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 4]\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Then there's also the problem with that kind of a-- [laughter] with that kind of a completely irresponsible approach that has no social responsibility. What do you do with very great poets like [Francois] Villon or [Paul] Verlaine or Hart Crane, who are total fuck-ups? Who are completely suicidal--\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: Milarepa was a fuck-up. He built that house how many times, Rinpoche? [Laughter] How many times?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Four times.\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: Four Times. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: So at that point of irresponsibility is where-- I think the intersection point of where you have been talking the last several weeks--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: --of naming poets as one of the causes of nuisance, confusion, confusion and aggression in America. And there *is* that, too. I mean, they're all-- there are aggressive, mad poets.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=1120.0,1175.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41137/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GREGORY CORSO: I think you're right, Rinpoche. I think--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Thank you. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: --the modern poet did fuck up the scene. But he did fuck up something awful. He used humor, and humor's a divine butcher. Humor got rid of all the bullshit. In America they can laugh at something that's true and it proves false. Once they laugh at it, it's fake. That's what the beatniks did. And I'm beatnik, man. [Laughter] You don't think I ought to let you put me down, do you? You see why I jumped up that night, last night? He gave me a tape of yours that you read that the other time, another lecture, where you put that--\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: A couple of lectures.\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: Right.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: And I listened to that, I said, \"Bullshit, man.\" Like wow! I went through enough crap in life to know that. At least I came with poesy to America, where the woman I married, her father thought my business was *poultry*, not poetry. [Laughter; Trungpa Rinpoche laughs] And then I get my beautiful broad with a hurt eye. All right. One thing I learned from last night, that when I jumped up and screamed, it doesn't mean that you hear.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: You mean, literally?\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: Oh yeah, I heard, of course. Not myself, but I heard you.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: [INAUDIBLE]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=1175.0,1291.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41137/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 5]\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: Also poetry-- excuse me. Now I got to keep on going, because it's top class and I know poesy. Poesy has the muse. Muse is music. [Laughter] And you say poesy is music.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Then why don't you sing it? [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: But I *do*. But I *do* sing.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: You vocalize, but music with tone-- notes, you don't [INAUDIBLE] . And you've been mad at me because I've started singing.\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: Your singing is put on because you want to sing. I sing with words; I know language. And I'll make music out of words -- my magic. Who am I, Allen?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=1291.0,1342.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41137/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ALLEN GINSBERG: Gregory Corso.\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: Beatnik poet.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Is that what you want to be? [Laughter] Even I didn't settle for that. [Laughter] I thought we sort of honored beatnik by, you know, going on and doing something vaster.\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: I can give a truth on this. Did I not always say I want to outstep poetry?\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Well now you got a chance. [Laughter] I think you actually have a real chance to outstep [INAUDIBLE] .\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: Now to outstep it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=1342.0,1378.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41137/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ALLEN GINSBERG: Yeah, so the question is, do we really want to outstep poetry? Or is poetry Buddhism, or is Buddhism bigger than poetry? Is poetry bigger than Buddhism?\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: There you go.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Or is Buddhism a--\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: There's the ball game.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Is Buddhism a form of poetry? Or is poetry an adjunct and a handmaiden to the practice of Buddhism? Or -- well they're all verbal setups, so you don't have to choose any one of them actually.\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: [Gesturing to Trungpa Rinpoche] [UNCLEAR: Here? Hear?] the Buddhist.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: But there is a slight vulgarized--\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: Hear the Buddhist man. He'll tell ya.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=1378.0,1406.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41137/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 6]\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Well okay, I was just saying there's a slight vulgarized form of that polarity circulating like trench mouth from head to head, and I don't think it's a real problem. Have you detected any essential dangers in the practice of poetry that you think are inimical to egoless awareness?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I think there are a lot of troubles, yeah, problems, dangers, you could say.\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: What's older, Buddha or poetry? [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=1406.0,1445.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41137/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think the problem is people would like to write poetry, because they feel-- sometimes they feel belittled by the world. And then out of doing that, it's-- you wanted to build yourself up. But there's not enough rhythm that's taking place with the world and you. So a few lines might come out extremely good, but the rest of lines are just a big drag and trying so hard. That sort of become problem.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=1445.0,1486.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41137/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think there's poetry that can be written without writing psychologically, but actually you might write something. There is a confidence between pen and ink and your paper. And well, you don't just make up something, \"let's think something nice and clever and put down.\" And you're obsessed with that kind of thought all the time you-- while you drive, while you eat, and trying to search for the clever turn-- clever sentence. That tend to become problematic; then whole thing becomes garbage.\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: Then it's equal because Buddha sat forty fucking years under the tree to find out the cause of death.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Six.\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: Forty [laughter] under the bodhi tree. He said, \"I know the cause of death and life.\" And they zapped him up.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=1486.0,1544.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41137/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GREGORY CORSO: All right. Now I'm only forty-five years old myself--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Oh, [laughing] that's right.\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: -- [UNCLEAR: of course? because?] he's sixteen years old.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: So I got a little more time to go, right?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: So it's an equal [INAUDIBLE WORDS] .\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I'm not talking about which is best.\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: Oh, which is best I--\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: You're *not* talking about which is best.\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: *I'm* not talking about what's best.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No.\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: I don't care what's best, no.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Here we are.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=1544.0,1566.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41137/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 7]\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: Why are you wearing a Mexican shirt?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I thought it was fitting to the poets. [Laughs; laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: [INAUDIBLE] --\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: I'm wearing a tie because I thought it was fitting to the Buddhists. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: That's my tie-- [INAUDIBLE] .\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: And I also got a jacket to go with it.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: I got a Russian shirt.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: Ruski.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Ruski.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=1566.0,1585.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41137/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 8]\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Yeah but what-- I think what-- the problems you are proposing as problems of poets are more problems of untried or amateur poets who have larger ego problem. A lot of older-- old dog poets have already gotten to a point where they're just trying to figure out what they actually thought a moment ago.\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: All right, they lost their teeth already.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: Look, all my teeth are gone in the service. [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: --my nose is gone in the service.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=1585.0,1614.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41137/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ALLEN GINSBERG: Well anyway, [laughter] it's not essential to poe-- it's not essential to poetry to be looking for clever words. It's essential-- it *seems* essential often to students of poetry.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=1614.0,1626.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41137/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think if one's thought is together, not purely for sake of poetry writing--\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --and if your general view is somewhat in order, then you just write and scribble.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=1626.0,1641.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41137/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ALLEN GINSBERG: Yeah. So what's the function of that? For somebody who's got his head together, or his heart together, what's the function of that?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well it's--\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: As you see, I mean.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --to create a, you know, monument.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=1641.0,1653.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41137/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ALLEN GINSBERG: Ah, no I think more that there's where I keep referring to the--\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: I mean, that's like Egypt.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: --bodhisattva impulse.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, which is--\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: That's like Egypt.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --you know, inspiration, like Buddha is biggest monument of the bodhisattvas. So that kind of...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=1653.0,1665.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41137/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ALLEN GINSBERG: Because the function, it seemed to me, that where someone like Whitman has been able to reveal his own-- his nature. He turned on huge areas of America and opened space for other people to recognize themselves, or to recognize their own nature. Though in the case of Whitman, I would say it is-- that what he did was establish a great sort of giant self and that there's a limitation there -- like, he extended himself to the end of the universe. And--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=1665.0,1698.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41137/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 9]\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: Here's the three of us -- one line, one verse. Verse means one line in a poem that you think is your top shot. I'll give mine, he'll give his, you give yours, and see if it means anything.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I-- usually I don't memorize my poems. [INAUDIBLE WORDS] it's finished.\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: I don't either, but I know one line.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Okay.\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: You know one line. His made it with \"I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by--\"\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: That's not my favorite line.\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: But it's not his favorite but it's a goodie.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Yeah, wordy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=1698.0,1726.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41137/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GREGORY CORSO: Right. Well I'll give my line and see if it inspires you to give your line.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Okay. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: \"The worl--\" -- this is talking about the Parthenon. \"The world's most beautiful floor.\"\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Line that occurred to me is \"Fate tells big lies.\"\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Fake?\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: \"*Fate* tells big lies.\"\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: \"Fate tells big lies\", yeah, yeah. I don't remember any of my lines.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=1726.0,1759.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41137/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GREGORY CORSO: [Laughs] All right, what if you remember anybody else's, Milarepa. I'll give one to Tom Nashe--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I don't remember them either.\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: --you give something to somebody else. You remember Milarepa's great line?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I don't remember right offhand.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=1759.0,1785.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41137/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GREGORY CORSO: So poetry sucks in a way, it really does. [Laughter] It's an egotistical thing, you're right. It's-- all that you want to do is just go ahead and do goodies, and you're having-- you're getting your rocks off. But it does lay on something to other people. It really does. They say, \"Oh, I understand that.\" Like William Burroughs says, \"You can't tell anybody anything they don't already know.\" That's why they say \"I understand.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=1785.0,1805.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41137/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 10]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: Rinpoche, why do you write poetry?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I think just simply--\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: Because who wants to be like me, famous, and Allen. He wants to get in the poetry racket, that's what he wants to do. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: Why don't you let him answer it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=1805.0,1840.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41137/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [Laughs] I think I write because there are some situation is created to put things down. Which doesn't make any sense, but usually it's kind of some notion of celebration.\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: That's a nice word, \"celebration.\" That's a goodie. I love you, man.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Thank you.\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: All right. [Laughter] That's all-- I have a ball when I write poetry. I never write when I'm unhappy.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Sometimes I do, too.\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: That's why I don't write much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=1840.0,1862.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41137/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. But you can celebrate in your unhappiness.\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: Yes. Celebrate unhappiness?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. Or boredom, for that matter, which is great thing.\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: Or boredom?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: I don't know boredom. I don't know loneliness. I know aloneness. See?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: And I dig being alone, because that's where poetry comes out -- for me anyway. You're sweating, both of you. Am I sweating too?\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Just from my fingers.\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: Oh good god. It's like Nixon's shit. [Laughter] Why don't we have a, what do you call, air conditioner here, Rinpoche? [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: I think I'm in a high-class joint, man.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=1862.0,1903.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41137/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 11]\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Can we open it up to--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What?\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: --to other students, too?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Sure, why not.\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: All right, it's open.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Yeah, It's open. There's a million poets in the room. There's Diane [di Prima], there's Bill Merwin, and--\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: Oh yeah, Billy's here. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Anne [Waldman] is here. And then there's all these poetry writers, the bodhisattvas.\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: Is that sexy poetess here? What's her name? [Joanne] Kyger?\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: There's one.\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: Where's Kyger?\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Is Joanne here?\r\n\r\n\r\nAUDIENCE: No.\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: [INAUDIBLE] sexy. \r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: [UNCLEAR: Yeah, they're] going to have a reading here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=1903.0,1939.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41137/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 12]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: [INAUDIBLE] spontaneously [INAUDIBLE] ? Do you try and mostly do spontaneous [INAUDIBLE] ? Do you ever revise at all? Or are you totally against it?\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: I fiddle around with it later a little, but not much. And I try to avoid it as much as possible. The problem is that in writing, in doing spontaneous writing sometimes I lapse, my attention lapses. I get self-conscious. And so rhythm lapses and form, content, concreteness lap-- I get abstract. So usually I have to get rid of that.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Well what do you think about, oh, someone like [William] Blake, you know, just going back and revising it all [UNCLEAR: time and again?] ?\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: He was trained in that tradition. But he also, like, saw in the air pictures which he put down.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=1939.0,1976.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41137/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think the question of revising, again, you can revise spontaneously again at the same time or you can do it very technically. There's also that point.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=1976.0,1986.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41137/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ALLEN GINSBERG: It's a question of the rigidity of your approach at the beginning and in revision too, I guess.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. Sense of--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=1986.0,1992.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41137/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ALLEN GINSBERG: If you get hung up at the beginning, you'll get hung up revising. If you're unhung up to begin with, well then it doesn't make any difference if you change it. Except that it's really delightful to have that original impression. And it also is-- it's instructive for other people if you can present an actual object that was-- that came forth spontaneously, and you can actually follow the movements of the mind.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Well see, like, when I write, I just usually write [INAUDIBLE]. Concentrate on one thing that I feel like writing. The images come out and then afterwards, [INAUDIBLE WORDS] really at all. And then I have to put them into words afterwards. That's what I usually do. I'm going to show some of to you afterwards.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=1992.0,2031.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41137/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 13]\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: Can I answer that little bit of your question, with image?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: There's three shots. There's memory which means past. There's present which means immediacy. And there's future which means anticipation. Right? So if you have an image, you got to get that sudden, that spontaneity as image. But if you have memory, that's your dream or something like that, if you don't remember it, it's like you never dreamt at all, right. So if you don't write the image down, it's like you never had the image. So that's what poetry is really, it's capturing the shot. See, my next book coming out, I'm calling it Heirlooms from the Future. Because I'm going to play the shot. I'm going to play the triplicity.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Triplicity?\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Okay yeah, but if you just take down these images as they come into your head, they're just a string of images. I mean, the way you think is just images, one after another. But--\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: Yeah, there's another three stages, how you use the image. The three stages, other than memory, present, and future -- or past, present, future -- is talent, genius, and what's the third one?\r\n\r\n\r\nAUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: Divine. You see, Dante was divine, Shelley was divine, Milarepa was divine. They knew what they were putting down. They didn't have to rush out their shot. That's what I feel about it. What do you think, Al? Maybe I'm wrong on that. I don't know. I don't think I am.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=2031.0,2124.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41137/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 14]\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: The problem is that Kerouac and I went-- discussed that a couple times. We came to a little formula as similar to one that I heard from Rinpoche, \"first thought, best thought.\" If the mind is shapely, the art will be shapely. Meaning, if you have a clear awareness of what you're preoccupied with or what is-- what image you have in your head, what central heart-thought is in your head, all the images will relate to it. If you have no attention, if your attention isn't focused anywhere, then you might be flying in any direction and have a series of unrelated images. But that means that you're hiding what your real attention is somewhere. Generally one's attention *is* somewhere; it's just that you don't approach it for timidity or shyness or...\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: But see, you say \"first thought is the best thought\" but--\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: [Gesturing to Trungpa Rinpoche] He said. \r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER32 Yeah, but I think -- yeah oh, but you agree with that.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Yeah, one hundred percent.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=2124.0,2187.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41137/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER2: So then now-- but do you really necessarily think in the words? So that first *thought* must be the best thing, but the first *words* that you put down trying to express that thought might not be the real thing.\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: That's spontaneous change. You're right.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. \r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: But Burroughs writes-- thinks in pictures and transcribes the pictures.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=2187.0,2207.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41137/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think maybe there's something to say about that. That if you are actually getting into poetry, your thought become words automatically. And that's not regressing particularly but, you know, you have thought which is word, because word is not really struggle for you. It's a spontaneous thing that part of your system. So you have no problem with the thought and word to begin with. And then you can put down anything you want. And I think that's one of the problems if you got very good idea; then you try to put into word like writing letter to a parents or something like that, and you're sort of stuck. And I think that's one of the disciplines that there should not be a gap between word and thought. And your thought *is* word.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=2207.0,2260.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41137/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 15]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: What you were talking about before... There was something that really just unsettled me, in terms of what I feel poetry is in how it functions in, like, getting to a point of, well, for one, inspiration, light, expressing that which cannot be spoken of, and that which, for me and my life and my experience, has given me a lot of learning and a lot of insight and a lot of appreciation. So that the poets that were expressing these things, I don't-- I've never got the feeling that they were doing it for an audience or doing it for ego or doing it for monuments--\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: Well fuck you anyway! All right, so--\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: He didn't finish his sentence.\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: Yeah, but I don't care. The thing is this, Rinpoche--\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: Rinpoche, nope. Ninety people here--\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Let him talk.\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: Edgar Allan Poe said, \"A poem should not go over a hundred lines.\" Got everybody here. Everybody spontaneously one line a shot. It's going to be on record -- you got these fuckers here. Go ahead. How do we start? We'll start right with you. [Points to student; Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nAUDIENCE: Start yourself!\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: And we'll end the ball-- all right, I'll start myself. Come on, Gregory.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Quick, quick, quick!\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: Come on, [INAUDIBLE] already!\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: And what [UNCLEAR: a name?] .\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: \"No thought but the present.\"\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: \"A green rhinoceros [UNCLEAR: you got to take?] .\"\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: But *louder* you got to give it. What do you think, Bruce? Do you think I should take it home and just [INAUDIBLE] the end of the class? Because I taught this class more than he did because he was ill. These are my students in a way. And they-- he told them when we left and went to rap, \"write a poem.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=2260.0,2372.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41137/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 16]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: Hey Gregory, let the guy finish the question, man.\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: Oh no, You're the tough dyke. You see, the mistake with you is... [laughter] the mistake is with you, you try to get too revolutionary and down on men. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: [INAUDIBLE] But I'd like to know what he was trying to say.\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: Really? Why don't you go outside and rap with him? [Laughter] We got something to do. We've got a poem class here. [Laughter] He's [pointing to another student] taking pictures all the time, interrupting, click, click, click. [Laughter] And that's a bullshit question. [Laughter] And you're supposed to be a top class woman poet. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: I don't treat my students this way.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [Laughs] You don't?\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: No. I just sic Gregory on them.\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: All right. I'm wro-- I'm so embarrassed I'm wrong. Wow.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: What was the question?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: [INAUDIBLE WORDS] you're wrong.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Speak! Speak! [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think it's gone.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Speak!\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: What the fuck did he say?\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Speak! Speak!\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: I-- I will. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: You finished? No. [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=2372.0,2428.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41137/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 17]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Like, well I felt as though I got it out. It was just talking about how poetry has struck me and I felt a conflict to be what you were saying before about it being an egocentric function, just creating monuments, a way of getting stuck. I've seen it as a kind of flight, a way of liberation, an expression that has taken me to some very deep places, and has a lot of meaning for me reading certain poets throughout time. And I feel that split very dearly, you know, what-- in what you're saying. And I just wanted to hear what you had to say about that poetry, that quality of poetry.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That quality of the ego-centered poetry?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: No, of the inspirational. \r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Oh, inspirational. I think that's a sense of complete free from hesitation. That we been talking about word and thought, that kind of thing. Your thought becomes a word. The word does not have conflict with your expressions, and there's no problem--\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: You guys are actually bananas.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --in writing. There's no problem in working anymore, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=2428.0,2498.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41137/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 18]\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: You don't *talk* about poetry, you *do* it!\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: We're here to talk about it.\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: No, because it's old. It's older than Buddhism. It's older than anything.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Now you're interrupting.\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: And how? Because I'm a daddy.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Oh, daddy, shut up! [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: [INAUDIBLE WORDS] fuck up their fathers.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Because what--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=2498.0,2522.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41137/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GREGORY CORSO: Poesy is very old. It's the old tradition, my dear.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Which--\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: It's the first thing that comes out.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: Why do you have to justify yourself with that?\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: Don't ask me questions [INAUDIBLE] --\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: But you're saying essentially what Trungpa was saying, but you're not letting him say it in a way that he'll understand.\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: I want to play with Trungpa. Can I play with him?\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: [Laughing] This is a poetry class. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: This is a--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Poor guy.\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: --poetry class.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Poor thing. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=2522.0,2551.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41137/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 19]\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: I think that you and I, Rinpoche, should talk. It's an old tradition oral. It's the first sound -- what's the first sound in Buddhism?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Uh... no sound.\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: No sound. What's the second sound? [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [Laughs] Somebody says no sound.\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: Somebody says no sound. That's the second. But there's got to be an OM and your AH and your HUM?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That comes much later. [Laughter; laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: All right. So. Thought is poesy.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm?\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: Thought is poesy.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: That woman, that dyke there, who tried to interrupt me when I interrupted him. [Laughter] Did you get anything out of his question? That's what I want to know. \r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: We did.\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: You're sweating like Nixon. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Somewhat, slightly interrupted. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=2551.0,2613.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41137/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 20]\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: No actually, what I thought was happening was that you have misunderstood what he said, what Trungpa said, when Rin-- Trungpa said \"to create a monument.\" You remember? You thought that the monument was necessarily a pejoratively used word or an egocentric thing. But when I asked that also, he said, \"Buddha was a great monument.\" So the monument wasn't necessarily a drag on consciousness; it was maybe a dharmachakra monument or a teaching monument or a turn-on-- \r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: No, I'm going to interrupt again.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: A monumental turn-on.\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: I'm going to interrupt again. Buddha was a monument.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's right.\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: He had a big belly. He was big and *fat*. Poesy can be [INAUDIBLE] head.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You got the wrong Buddha. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: Poesy can say \"Brightness falls from the air.\"\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think you got the wrong Buddha.\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: Right.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: You got the wrong Buddha. \r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: Buddha was like that.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's the Chinese saint.\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: That's the Chinese saint.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. \r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: But was the Indian one thinner?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Very thin [laughter] and handsome.\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: Well \"Brightness falls from--\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: And handsome.\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: --the air\" is thin.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=2613.0,2677.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41137/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 21]\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Do you know that line?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What?\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: \"Brightness falls from the air; / Queens have died young and fair; / I am sick, I must die. / Lord, have mercy on me!\" It was a poem we were reading in class, or I was reading to class at the-- in the first sessions. It's by Thomas Nashe. [\"In Time of Pestilence 1593\"]\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: And I used it in an airplane. This faggot -- I didn't know this faggot -- he was sitting next to me, so I said to him, \"You want to hear a great poem? 'Brightness falls from the air; / Many a queen has died young and fair'\" And he got scared because he was a queen and we're in the air. [Laughter] \"Brightness falls from the air.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=2677.0,2716.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41137/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ALLEN GINSBERG: The full stanza was, \"Beauty is but a flower\"--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What is?\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: \"Beauty is but a flower / Which wrinkles will devour; / Brightness falls from the air; / Queens have died young and fair; / Dust hath closed Helen's eye. / I am sick, I must die. / Lord, have mercy on us!\" Thomas Nashe. Did you-- did they teach you that at Oxford?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think they did, but I forgot all about it. Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: We read at Oxford. Do you know when we read at Oxford? When did we do that, Al? Fifty-eight?\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Seven.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You did a reading in Oxford?\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: Fifty-seven.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Fifty-seven, yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Fifty-seven.\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Gregory read a big poem about the bomb.\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: About the bomb, and they threw a shoe at me. A great English -- no it wasn't even a good English shoe. Because then I loved the bomb. I thought it was the way to kill it, not to give it hate.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Do you remember the line?\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: I'm glad we made up, Rinpoche. I don't think we ever-- [Trungpa Rinpoche laughs; laughter] \r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Are you sure about that? [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: I don't see why it can't be up to me.\r\n\r\n\r\n[GAP IN AUDIO]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=2716.0,2796.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41137/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 22]\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: I still think the years mean something. I'm your elder.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: But he was reincarnated, so he goes back thousands of years maybe. [Trungpa Rinpoche laughs; Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: But I never died -- top that.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Oh, but you never died.\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: Right. [Laughter] You're saying I didn't come back. I'm here. Yeah, I really think your reincarnation sucks. [Laughter] I learned that through the Egyptians. They wear beetles, you know, the scarabs. It means reincarnation. You got to die to be-- come back something else. But I got the vulture. And the vulture is immortality. And it's a sacred bird, and it holds the infinity stick. And I don't have to die to come back. I don't believe in death. it's all just a big gimmick, one of the biggest cons laid on people.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: How about birth?\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: Birth? I don't know [UNCLEAR: mine?] , I never had the mother. I got no belly button.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You don't?\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: No. See here's the ball game. Where's the fucking belly button?\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: That can't be heard on the record. [Laughter] He did a parlor trick. 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So, I guess we'll close this--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [Whispering] Maybe I could have some of [INAUDIBLE WORDS] be read.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Poetry session with a reading?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [Whispering] Just one reading.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [Whispering] They haven't heard my poems, anything like that.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: By Chogyam Trungpa. Do you have your--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: That would be good. [INAUDIBLE WORDS] .\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [Whispering] What do you think [INAUDIBLE WORDS] .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=2871.0,2914.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41137/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GREGORY CORSO: I love talking, Allen. I just love it. Sometimes I get so scared that I think I'll make a mistake, and everybody go \"Uh oh.\"\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Yes, son.\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: I get so embarrassed.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Yes, son.\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: Son shit. Although he is older than me.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: [INAUDIBLE] nothing.\r\n\r\n\r\nAUDIENCE: He's going to do it. He's picking it out.\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: Well, my turn to talk. You are older than I am, Allen. But you didn't make a baby yet.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [Whispering] Maybe you can read that one [INAUDIBLE WORDS] .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=2914.0,2957.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41137/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 24]\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: So before you read, can you lend me a hundred dollars? I just want to borrow some money. [Laughter] I don't have much money here, while I'm here, but I'm getting some.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I don't-- I didn't bring my wallet. [Laughter; laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: Well when you have a chance, do you think you could lend me some?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Sure.\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: All right, thank you.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: With interest. 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And I want to know what you feel-- how you feel it originated, and what spontaneous things it went through in order to, like, bring about where it's at now. Like, I'm especially curious about Neal Cassady and a lot of Jack Kerouac's stuff, a lot of Ken Kesey's stuff. Well do you think that Neal Cassady was a bodhisattva?\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: I'm going to be dealing with that later in the class. And too complicated to say any more than that our own inspiration was a kind of tenderness, and an awareness that we were going to die. Which could be taken up later in class.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=3032.0,3122.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41137/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: READING \"SILK ROAD\"]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Okay, I'm ready. [To assistant David Rome] You're going to read?\r\n\r\n\r\nI'd like to read some samples-- examples or samples, whatever, of three types of categories of poetry that I have done. And one is a traditional pattern which is translated from the Tibetan, and written in Tibetan in very traditional sense. And that is the maybe the first starting point. And I'm not very good at reading, and David has been working with me all the time. And I don't regard my poetry as my child particularly, and forget them anyway. So we can read.\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: [Reading] \"Silk Road\"\r\n\r\n\r\nTraveling, listening to the whistling wind, crossing thousands of ridges and still not seeing the end of the earth; / Irritated by the gossip of the brooks, crossing thousands of rivers but still not seeing the end of the sky; / Never reaching the goal of the black tent in the distance -- / It is too tiring for the horses and mules: better to pitch our tent where pasture, fuel and water are plentiful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=3095.0,3197.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41137/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: READING \"CYNICAL LETTER\"]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Then there are some things written in Tibetan with also freestyle. And my particular poetry with the Tibetan language is that particularly after the Chinese invasion, that people got very scattered, basically; and their languages is tremendously reshuffled. That people from all provinces speaking in mixed dialects and all kinds of things. There's a danger of losing pure literature. And what I'm trying to do here, what I have done is freestyle poetry which is never done in Tibetan. But it has the classical terms in Tibetan, and also using certain modern idiom working together. So that it makes sense, it makes good literature out of it. But you might see something of it here, but probably certain things have been lost in the process of translation. And I have done the translation myself, hopefully still something preserved.\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: [Reading] \"Cynical Letter\"\r\n\r\n\r\nAUDIENCE: Louder!\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Boldly and clearly.\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: Thank you, Allen. Now I can do anything.\r\n\r\n\r\n[Reading louder] \"Cynical Letter\" Licking honey from a razor blade, / Eyes of the learned gouged out by books, / The beauty of maidens worn by display, / The warrior dead from lack of fear -- / It is ironical to see the dharma of samsara: / Celebrities deafened by fame, / The hand of the artist crippled by rheumatism.\r\n\r\n\r\nThe moth flew into the oil lamp, / The blind man walks with a torch, / The cripple runs in his wheelchair, / A fool's rhetoric is deep and learned, / The poet laughed himself to death. / The religious spin circles, in accordance with religion; / If they had not practiced their religion, they could not spin. / The sinner cannot spin according to religion; / He spins according to not knowing how to spin. / The yogis spin by practicing yoga; / If they don't have chakras to spin, they are not yogis. / Chogyam is spinning, watching the spinning/samsara; / If there is no samsara/spinning, there is no Chogyam. \r\n\r\n\r\n[Applause]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=3197.0,3360.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41137/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: READING \"IN THE LAND OF PROMISES\"]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Last one is actually a spontaneous poem that I dictate to David, and it was done in English of course. And in very social kind of mood, a frenzy maybe, somewhat. That's the-- was written last year, I think?\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. Okay.\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: [Reading] In the land of promises / One flea bite occurred. / In the midst of continental hoo-ha / One bubble occurred in a tall lager-and-lime glass. / Midst a spacious sand dune / Sand swarmed. / Lover with sweat. / Primordial egg dropped from the sky / And hit Genghis Khan's head / In the middle of the Gobi Desert. / Horny camels huffed and puffed to the nearest water. / Desert seagulls pushing their trips to gain another food. / Suzanne with her jellyfish / Volleyed back and forth by badminton rackets -- / Oh this desert is so dusty / One never gains an inch / Not a drip of water / So sunny / Almost thirsty / Very thirsty / Fabulously thirsty / Terribly -- / Oh it's killing me / This desert this sand / Preventing me from making love / Preventing me from eating delicious supper / With all-pervasive crunch of sand. / I wish I could go to the mountains / Eat snowflakes / Feel the cool breeze -- / I wouldn't mind chewing icicles, / Making the delicious cracking sound / As I step on the prematurely frozen pond, / Making the satisfying sound of deep hollowness / As I step on the well-matured frozen pond, / Making the undoubtedly solid and secure sound / On a fully-matured frozen pond. / Suzanne would love that, / Because she is the punisher in the desert / And she is the companion / When we skate across this large, fully-frozen pond. / Let's fly across the ice / Let's beat the drum of our hearts / Let's blow the bagpipe of our lungs / Let's jingle the bells of icicles / Let's be cool and crispy -- / Suzanne, join us! / What is gained in the hot deserty wretched sweaty claustrophobic sandy skull-crunching dusty world of Gobi? / Who cares? / Come to the mountains, Suzanne! / O Suzanne! \r\n\r\n\r\n[Applause]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=3360.0,3547.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41137/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: CLOSING REMARKS]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [Whispering] I think we're over.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: I think we're over. And I hope to see you at the poetry reading.\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=3547.0,3566.15831"}]},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41138","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["19750702VCTR2-Captions [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41138/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"CTI SLATE: This is the Venerable\nChogyam Trungpa Rinpoche,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=0.38,3.61"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41138/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Naropa Institute, poetry class\nwith Allen Ginsberg,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=3.61,8.96"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41138/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"recorded in Boulder,\nColorado on July 2nd, 1975.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=8.96,15.06"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41138/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This is a CTI\nauto remaster made May 2022.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=15.06,22.12"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41138/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ORIGINAL SLATE: The Jack Kerouac\nSchool of Disembodied Poetics,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=24.98,30.18"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41138/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Allen Ginsberg's\nsecond course, July 2nd, 1975.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=30.18,36.19"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41138/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"A class given at Karma Dzong\nwith Chogyam Trungpa 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Trungpa.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=52.44,55.24"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41138/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What I thought would\nbe interesting","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=61.7,64.64"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41138/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"would be to get\nto the root of...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=64.64,71.14"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41138/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Gregory, who is, in a sense,\nall ego, valiantly so.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=75.2,85.07"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41138/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GREGORY CORSO:\nNow, I excuse myself again,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=85.07,87.37"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41138/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"not to interrupt\nand to be nice today.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=87.37,89.87"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41138/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I just *know* ego.\n[Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=89.87,92.23"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41138/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I know ego like\nI know all religions,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=92.23,95.32"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41138/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and I put them aside\nand check them out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=95.32,99.74"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41138/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ALLEN GINSBERG:\nMyself, who am a 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Trungpa.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=106.1,113.36"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41138/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Guru Trungpa.\n[Laughter; laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=113.36,118.39"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41138/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ALLEN GINSBERG:\nI gather from your 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Everybody\nspontaneously one line a shot.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=2318.79,2322.82"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41138/annotation/722","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's going to be on record --\nyou got these fuckers here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=2322.82,2326.52"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41138/annotation/723","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Go ahead. How do we start?\nWe'll start right with you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=2326.52,2329.92"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41138/annotation/724","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[Points to student; Laughter]\nAUDIENCE: Start yourself!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933#t=2329.92,2332.62"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76109/file/168933/transcript/41138/annotation/725","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GREGORY CORSO:\nAnd we'll end the ball--\nall right, I'll start 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