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Discussion of “phowa,” transfer of consciousness; if that doesn’t happen, dying person looks for path forward. Genuine experience of nonduality key to death experience, connected with understanding \"oneness\", openness. Physical elements of earth, water, fire, air dissolving into central nadi channel leads to luminosity, “clear light,” which arises when we give up struggle. Key is genuine experience of non duality and resolving conflict between body and mind. In Q\u0026amp;A, in-depth discussion of clear light, other experiences in bardo; the ways we struggle with fear of losing ground.\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication"]},"value":{"en":["BOOK: Tibetan Book of the Dead","BOOK: Collected Works Vol 06"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication Details"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eBOOK: TIBETAN BOOK OF THE DEAD: Commentary: The Bardo of the Moment Before Death (edited excerpts)\u003cbr\u003e-- from \u003ca href=\"https://www.shambhala.com/the-tibetan-book-of-the-dead-1540.html\"\u003eShambhala Publications\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eBOOK: COLLECTED WORKS VOL 6 (in contained book TIBETAN BOOK OF THE DEAD)\u003cbr\u003e-- from \u003ca href=\"https://www.shambhala.com/the-collected-works-of-chogyam-trungpa-380.html\"\u003eShambhala Publications\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Transcription Credits"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eAug 15 2019 to Dec 17 2020 Transcribing: Harry Einhorn Checking: Ella Milligan Final Proof: Matilda Perks Terminology Review: Matilda Perks Other Contributors: Warner Dick, Lynn Friedman\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003e© Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Year"]},"value":{"en":["1971"]}}],"summary":{"en":["\u003cp\u003e\u0026ldquo;Chonyi\u0026rdquo; bardo, the bardo of the moment before death, the uncertainty of whether one is going to die or live. Discussion of \u0026ldquo;phowa,\u0026rdquo; transfer of consciousness; if that doesn\u0026rsquo;t happen, dying person looks for path forward. Genuine experience of nonduality key to death experience, connected with understanding \"oneness\", openness. Physical elements of earth, water, fire, air dissolving into central nadi channel leads to luminosity, \u0026ldquo;clear light,\u0026rdquo; which arises when we give up struggle. Key is genuine experience of non duality and resolving conflict between body and mind. In Q\u0026amp;A, in-depth discussion of clear light, other experiences in bardo; the ways we struggle with fear of losing ground.\u003c/p\u003e"]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003e\u0026copy; Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced\u003c/p\u003e"]}},"provider":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["Chogyam Trungpa Digital Library"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["Chogyam Trungpa Digital Library"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/209/original/cti-library-logo-blue-text.png?1672724952","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/219/704/small/Logo-Audio-Red.png?1702270296","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 1 - 1702270265_19710925VCTR1-Audio-Prod-ARCHRmstr-Access.mp3"]},"duration":5780.51413,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/219/704/small/Logo-Audio-Red.png?1702270296","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/content/1/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-cti.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/219/704/original/1702270265_19710925VCTR1-Audio-Prod-ARCHRmstr-Access.mp3?1702270268","type":"Audio","format":"audio/mpeg","duration":5780.51413,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62559","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["19710925VCTR1-Transcript-Timed [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62559/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[19710925VCTR1 - Public Seminar - The Tibetan Book of the Dead - Karme Choling - Talk 2]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]\r\n\r\n\r\nARP SLATE: This is the Venerable Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, seminar on Tibetan Book of the Dead, held at Tail of the Tiger, Vermont. This is talk Number Two, held September 25th, 1971. This is an ARP digital remaster made March 2006.\r\n\r\n\r\nORIGINAL SLATE: This will be Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche. Seminar on the Tibetan Book of the Dead, held at Tail of the Tiger in September, 1971. This will be talk Number Two, September 25th. Chonyi Bardo, Part One.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=0.0,112.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62559/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: MAIN TALK]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Suppose we could begin with talking about \"chonyi\" bardo, the first state of bardo. And before we get into that detail, it is necessary to see the application of such bardo teaching. I mean, you could say that supposing these things happen to people who are dying, and the experience go through different stages -- how do we know, actually, these things do happen to those people? And, did anyone come back from their graveyards and told us the experiences that they gone through, without interrupting of their memories? But of course, at the same time, that those who have an experience, always have the such strong memories in them -- made a tremendous impression of death period. That, whoever has been born recently would have -- or should have -- such experience.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=112.0,213.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62559/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But then as we grow up, we been indoctrinated by our parents, our society, and put ourselves into a different frame of work. And the original plan, original deep impression, has been faded, except sudden glimpses. That we might have some possibilities of such experience are there but, then again, that we are so suspicious of any experience. That since there is so much distrust in one's self and afraid of losing any kind of tangible ground, in terms of living in the world, so any intangible and any kind experience occur to us are always half-heartedly treated -- or treated *at all*, in any sense. So that studying this particular Bardo Thodrol is -- if you look at from that point of view of what would have happened when we die -- is purely study of old myth. That, we have to have some practical experience of the whole thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=213.0,293.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62559/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So that when we talk about a practical experience of the whole thing, that there is the continual process of bardo that happens with us all the time, constantly: there is the conflict between body and consciousness, and there is the continual death experience or continual birth experience. And there is also the experience of \"chonyi bardo,\" the first bardo of clear light. And then you also have the experience of \"sidpa bardo,\" of possible future parents, or future ground in situations. And we also have the visions of wrathful and peaceful divinities, which happens in this very moment with us constantly. So if we are quite open and realistic enough to look at from that way, then actual death experience and bardo experience of actual reality, in terms of dying person, if you're dying that whole thing wouldn't be purely myth or extraordinary shock anymore at all. Because whole thing is that we have worked with it, we have familiarized the whole thing. So the experience doesn't become extraordinary anymore. When we discuss all this, I don't mean to say it is, we should read into it, we should interpret the whole thing into as though we are living. But we should-- we *could* look into the psychological pattern of the whole thing, quite simply, quite easily.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=293.0,423.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62559/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We have the description of \"kye-ne bardo\" that says if the teaching of transferring consciousness, phowa practice, didn't fulfill its function, then next obvious state is to relate with the person and to tell them that it is time for them to search path -- find a path. And we have the general principle of bardo as we described and gone through last night. The basic bardo experience is that experience of uncertainty; whether one is going to actually die in the sense of going to lose contact with the solid world, or whether one could continue living. And such experience or uncertainty is not only seen in terms of leaving the body at all. It is purely seen in the terms of losing ground, losing the distant perspective, distant view, to one's projections.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=423.0,561.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62559/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So that's the first start of bardo experience could have come at all. It's possible way of-- in other word, the possibilities of stepping out into the unreal world from the real world, so to speak. But at the same time, definition of reality is not quite certain. Which also find, which also makes whole thing extremely irritating. And from this end, that we could say that real world is that which enables us to experience pain, pleasure, good, bad. In other word, some active intelligence which provides the criteria of things as it is. That basic criteria, basic dualistic notion is the experience of real world. It's the absolute truth, which is the-- I mean it's the *relative* truth which is the absolute truth in itself. If there's relative experiences then that relative experience is complete relative experience, therefore it's absolute one.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=561.0,674.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62559/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So if one is completely in touch with such dualistic feelings, dualistic criteria, as it *is* then what we are talking, in terms of non-dualistic state of mind, is also that. In other word you could have accurate experience of duality as it is, from one criteria; and the dualistic notion, a glimpse of that is real experience. But when we are talking about achieving state of non-duality, in terms of higher spiritual development, then we are talking slightly from different point of view. That kind of experience of non-duality is the absolute experience of the duality -- is the experience of non-duality. If I am able to see the duality as absolute-- in its absolute level, then there is no problem at all, because it's seen on a perfectly open and clear, aerial point of view, and you see black, you see white, you see shades in terms of different colors, but they don't contradict each other. You see things as they are. So that's the highest form of duality seen from non-dualistic inspiration. And at that point a person has no doubt no difficulty dealing with the physical body, or dealing with things at all. Because there's no conflict. Everything is seen on purely relative terms. In other word, a person has tremendous encompassing vision of the oneness, because of oneness, therefore, many things could be seen from that basic criteria, basic openness. So that's the absolute duality, or absolute non-duality.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=674.0,833.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62559/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Now the *conflict* is that duality has not been seen as it is, at all. It has been purely seen in a biased way. Which is a very clumsy way of perceiving situations. It's a sort of clumsy experience of duality. In fact you don't perceive duality as it is at all, because you are seeing from the point of view of black, therefore you see the white. But you don't actually perceive the white as it is; you only *see* it, you don't perceive anything. And at that point, a person wonders whether there is such a thing as \"my projection\" or \"me\" exist at all -- or not. And a person begin to find hesitating experience to relate with one's projections, because one's not quite certain whether duality do exist, or not. So, from that point of view, we could say that samsaric experience are the clumsy, non-dualistic attempt, which led us into a very feeble dualistic experience.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=833.0,909.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62559/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There was a story of Marpa and when his son died of accident and he was very upset. And some of his student asked him whether, \"How do we relate to you, because you always used to tell us that everything's an illusion -- nothing matters. But here you got your son, and he died, and you seem to be extremely upset about it.\" And his answer was, \"That's true, everything's a dual-- everything's illusion. But my relationship to my son is wild illusion, it's super illusion. So I have the right to be grieve of it.\" [laughs] So that when we talk about a dualistic world in terms of confusion, that confusion is not completely dualistic world at all: it's half-hearted dualistic world. That brings tremendous dissatisfaction and pain and uncertainty; builds up crescendo up to-- so much up to the point of fear of becoming insane, becoming mad.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=909.0,1018.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62559/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And that point, where the possibilities of leaving the world of duality into a sort of wooly emptiness, fuzzy emptiness -- which is the world of the dead people, the graveyard that exist in the midst of fog -- and the possibilities of dissolving into that kind of thick dust, is the fear of flipping out. Constantly happens. Always when people find a certain fear in themselves of flipping out, there's always tendency of viewing themselves as they may not be able to handle themselves. Or they might make some absurd mistakes. Some kind of insecurity is based on the unknown area -- where you are exactly going?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=1018.0,1112.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62559/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And in the Tibetan Book of the Dead, it talks about the death experience could happen in terms of different elements of the body going deeper and deeper. Starting with the earth, water, fire, air. Physically, you find heavy, when the earth element is dissolving into water. And when water element dissolves into air, that you find circulation begin to cease to function. When fire element dissolves into air, that any kind of warmth or growth feeling begin to dissolve. And finally then, when space dissolves into the central nadi, avadhuti, then there's a feeling of internal luminosity, inner glow, where things be switched on into something extremely introverted. And such experience happens constantly. The tangible experience -- tangible and logical experience dissolves. And experience of whether you're not quite certain whether one is attaining enlightenment or one is losing one's sanity.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=1112.0,1260.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62559/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Whenever that experience happens there is always-- that one experience could be seen in four or five different stages. First, the tangible quality of physical logic, living logic, becomes vague. You begin to dissolve into a more organic situation, where that is to say that the functional situation, which is earth element dissolving into the water element. The water element of functional situation becomes prominent then, next. In other word, when you lose physical contact then -- the solidness of experience, when you lose that grip, then automatic refuge that you'll take is, kind of, some explanation, mental activity. Thinking that, \"I still do have this: my mind still function. Never mind if the physical relationship didn't coincide properly. But, still, my mind do function.\" That's the earth element dissolving into the water element.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=1260.0,1360.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62559/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then, next stage, my mind is not quite certain whether I'm functioning properly or not. I mean, because I can't exactly really think when I try to think. Something begin to cease to operate in this circulation. So only way to relate is some emotions: trying to think dramatic situation that happens in our life; or trying to think someone you love, or someone you trust, or someone you hate. Those things makes vivid thing because the watery quality of the circulation doesn't work anymore. This hot temperature of love and hate begin to become more when you lose the basic logic of mind -- that don't function anymore.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=1360.0,1427.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62559/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And even that is, gradually dissolves into air. And there is a faint experience of shunyata or openness. So person's experience of that moment is that there's a tendency of even losing the grip on concentrating on trust or love. Even that projection of trying to remember a person you loved, trying to remember a person you can trust, but even thinking of *that* becomes empty-hearted somewhat. There's something fundamentally threatening even you though you can't think of that. Whole thing seem to be hollow inside.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=1427.0,1483.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62559/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then, next experience after that is the \"osel\" or the \"clear light\", the luminosity experience. And that experience is quite a vivid one. Because there is this tendency of this hollowness of everything happens in you. Some stage, person may be willing to give in. Because you can't struggle anymore. You haven't got the impetus of struggling. The whole thing becomes hopeless at that stage. No tangible quality. And that intangible quality begin to invite a certain basic state of turning *into* something -- rather than trying to grasp something which we've been doing so far all the time -- but turning into something; trying to change the perspective view altogether, this direction. Sort of such-- some kind of relief, on the other hand. But at the-- at same time, some kind of carelessness begin to occur at that moment.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=1483.0,1591.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62559/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And that relief and carelessness simultaneously happens; as though the pain and pleasure coming, occurring, at the same time. As though you have powerful shower of icy cold water, and powerful shower of boiling hot water, pouring on you simultaneously -- on your body. Both experience are so extreme -- icy cold and burning hot -- such a body experience begin to lose any kind of relational situations altogether. It's intense experience, but intense experience of just \"that.\" No, extreme -- one couldn't even say *extreme* experience, only one could say *intense* experience; something powerful and something very hundred-percent full. And that fullness experience of oneness in the both pain and pleasure are same. You get the luminosity experience of clear light, as they call it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=1591.0,1672.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62559/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The point is that we can't manufacture clear light. And the clear light had to be-- let it develop by itself. So, when the dualistic struggle of trying to be something is completely confused by two extreme forces -- of hope for enlightenment, fear of flipping out -- is so extreme, so, so concentrated, and that brings-- that allows to some kind of relaxation. So when you relax, when you don't struggle anymore, then clear light present itself, just naturally there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=1672.0,1726.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62559/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We could say that such experience happens constantly, with us all the time, on and off, constantly on and off, all the time. And, of course, in terms of the physical death process, when we have experience death, the symbolism of body also act as the symbolism of the mind. It's not only happens at once-- only once in a lifetime, in the death alone, but it happens hundreds of times, millions of times in our lifetime. Therefore, natural, kind of, chemistry of whole function tunes in that way: the conflict between body and mind.\r\n\r\n\r\nAnd perhaps we should stop there and have discussion on that. And we could go into the next stages as we continue our seminar. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=1726.0,1795.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62559/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 1]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: I don't understand Marpa's answer at all. Didn't-- I mean, I sort of-- it makes sense to me that if your son dies you grieve. But I-- this business about it being a \"super illusion,\" I don't understand that.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, the point is that he doesn't resort to his philosophy. When he feel grief, he feel -- he felt it.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: So why does he call that a \"super illusion\"? What's the point of that?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, hundred-percent doing it. Proper illusion.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: [laughing] I see.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Without any pretense. [laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=1795.0,1847.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62559/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 2]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Rinpoche, how does violent death fit into this scheme?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well it's-- there is the very, sort of, quick and immediate process that you have to go through. As it had been described in the book, that if you have six pages of paper, and if you suddenly put pin through it very quickly, you could say it's a sudden one. But at the same time, each paper has been pressed and penetrated and go through it by the pin. So there's always this very minute time of process happens. But point what I'm trying to make in whole thing is that that experience of death is a conflict between sanity and insanity. And it happens constantly with us.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=1847.0,1925.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62559/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 3]\r\n\r\n\r\nUNCONFIRMED JEREMY HAYWARD: This dissolving of the different elements, ending up in the space dissolving into a central nadi -- it sounds like that's the kind of meditation that you're always complaining about. And that you say is a wrong form of meditation.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well if you're trying to deliberately do that, you are creating-- you are trying to play with sanity and insanity.\r\n\r\n\r\nUNCONFIRMED JEREMY HAYWARD: Well it's-- couldn't it-- it's not valuable to actually--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --trying to do that\r\n\r\n\r\nUNCONFIRMED JEREMY HAYWARD: --experience that?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well we do experience, constant -- that happens constantly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=1925.0,1974.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62559/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 4]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: In other words it wouldn't be worth it to trying to experience that through taking acid or something like that?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think that's the wrong end of the stick. [laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=1974.0,1989.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62559/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 5]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: Rinpoche? The book, it seems to place a great deal of value on that if we can recognize a clear light we gain liberation. It would seem to be a basic hinayana attitude. That-- I mean, supposing that we can play this game somewhat consciously, it could be [INAUDIBLE] like just [UNCLEAR: finds itself? designs itself?], then what? And where's the basic compassion? Is that gone just because we're--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, it happens there. We haven't gotten to that, so we'll talk about that tomorrow. And we haven't gotten there at that point yet because that needs, sort of, further explanation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=1989.0,2031.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62559/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 6]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: One other question. How about suicide? I'm just thinking of [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well it's the same thing, in a sense. That trying to, sort of, trying to speed it up by force is asking for direct clash. Quite possibly that you'll be flipped into insanity.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: In the bardo?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. And you haven't-- I mean, you don't manage to kill yourself at all. Because you think you are killing yourself, so there have to be killer to kill somebody, and still, killer remains. So, I mean, tremendous horror that you realize you haven't managed to distinguish yourself-- *extinguish* yourself completely at all. So there is-- had to be killer to kill yourself -- make sure that you are died properly. [laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: Sort of a bad joke.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: Suicide is kind of a bad joke.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well it's a very poor joke.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=2031.0,2105.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62559/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 7]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: I don't know whether this is a relevant question to raise, but sometimes it seems that when a person is dying, some aspect of the event is perceived by a person, maybe 500 miles, 1,000 miles away -- I think everyone's familiar, even if you haven't had the experience yourself. I just wanted to raise the question of what could be involved there? Is it possible, for instance, that the dying person would have some perception of the person who is visited, such a vision? Do I make myself at all clear?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You mean somebody else would experience, perceive that?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: Well, the first thing, you know, that sometimes, some people are alleged to see a vision of a person who is dying in some distant place, and I was just raising the--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: --what-- whether that-- whether it--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well it's--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: --would be relevant to raise some of the issues that--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I mean--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: [INAUDIBLE]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --it could be very close in the sense that the person sort of relaxes, or opens himself to another situation. That means that you make yourself like a clear pond without other disturbances, so things could be reflect into it. It's like a super radar system, which generally comes from paranoia, is the most efficient radar system of all that we have. And if something could go wrong always perceived better than something that is just about to be right. [laughs; laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=2105.0,2224.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62559/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 8]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: What about the conflict that you spoke about between the sanity and the insanity getting clear light?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well that's the-- that's our everyday living situation, which has nothing to do with the physical death at all, it happens constantly, all the time. You--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: But I don't feel that I see the clear light constantly all the time. [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm, well... [laughter], I don't think you could have seen it: clear light couldn't have seen. You can only perceive it. So when you perceive, that means you are in it already. So you couldn't have seen it. You could have experience it -- even not experience it, you could've just got into it. It's like saying that--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: I'd know it if I were in it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=2224.0,2290.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62559/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 9]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Not necessarily. In fact, not at all. That's why it remains a mystery.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: What is it?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It's like trying to watch our own death.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: I mean is it the dharmakaya? Is that the word?--.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: What is the clear light? I mean--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well it's the--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: --is that just the intelligence, or is it a light, or what is it?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well it's absolute, sort of, sharp experience of something which doesn't depend on relativity. Because by then, your notion, your searching for relativity is confused already. Like what I was saying about experiencing pain and pleasure simultaneously.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=2290.0,2346.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62559/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 10]\r\n\r\n\r\nUNCONFIRMED SHERAB CHODZIN MICHAEL\r\n\r\n\r\nKOHN: Is the experience of this always brought about by such a conflict -- a friction of opposites? Or is it possible that instead of pain and pleasure beating together on the same point, that the person just suddenly realizes that there is-- simply isn't anything to worry about? I don't-- I mean, in other words, sort of, instead of an event resulting from the heat of friction suddenly reaching a kindling point, or something like that, it just... opens up?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well it's building up a crescendo of something. But you're building a whole situation on the same ground all the time. So one begin to realize that you-- if you build more positive crescendo, that much negative crescendo you are building at the same time. So a certain point one lose the whole perspective, view of the whole thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=2346.0,2433.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62559/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 11]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: And then it's insanity? [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: Is that insanity?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That-- we haven't got at that point yet, when we talk about that. It's the style that raises to the point of sanity or insanity. It's like person suddenly hears absolute silent music by listening extreme loud music.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=2433.0,2457.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62559/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 12]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: Is the dying person, at this point, dead? I mean, from-- if we were stand-- looking at him, and the doctors pronounce him officially dead, while this is going on -- what you just described?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: When you are raised to that point?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I should think so, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: Then how is he viewing himself from a subjective view, if this is happening to him is there-- I mean, does he still see himself with a body?--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, you see--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: --is it the experience--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --no--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: --what is it that is experiencing the pain and pleasure, simultaneously?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, you can only have pain and pleasure having simultaneously together when you begin to realize that there is-- you don't have to have the watcher anymore. If you have a watcher, you can't have pain and pleasure at the same time. You either have pain, or else pleasure, as long you have a watcher.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: Yeah but I'm, well, I'm-- because again, I mean, like, to what is this experience happening?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: To whom? Do you mean?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: Well, I read-- yeah, to whom? Or, like, if the body is dead and the person finds himself somehow in the bardo, and say that he does have a watcher, so he's experiencing pain, as an example -- what is it that's hurting? I mean, what is causing the pain and what is it that-- how does he feel it with-- I mean, does he have an illusory body? Does he, from his point of view, does he have a body which is being hurt?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No, I wouldn't say. It's almost the very existence of pain hurts itself; the very existence of pleasure produce pleasure to itself. It's-- you lost any gross level of any connection about existence: pain and pleasure *itself* becomes his body. So it's, in other words, it becomes self-destructive thing or self-creative thing, simultaneously. That why there's opportunities of perceiving clear light, which is very close to that. You don't have to have a body or a situation to relate to, but it's self discovery, without commentary on yourself -- commentating on yourself.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=2457.0,2614.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62559/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 13]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: Is it possible that there is no particular feeling of pleasure or pain, or no sharpness, but that there is a sense of transformation, which-- transformation into more space, and a kind of a tranquility, temporarily? Perhaps a kind of-- it's a certain kind of detachment, a and at the same time, there is a relish in it also?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I would say that yeah, it's the-- there should be some sense of relief. Because you experience everything fully and completely at that point. Which automatically leads you into some space. Next point is the clear light.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=2614.0,2675.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62559/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 14]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: Rinpoche, does the paranoia build up to that kind of relief? It seems like every step of the way your mind would get more and more terrified.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes paranoia builds up that point until it loses its ground. To *whom* paranoia should haunt is not applied anymore at all. So you experience your being in the paranoia state rather than paranoid *by* that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=2675.0,2707.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62559/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 15]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER16: Is the basic intelligence the clear light, or is the clear light something beyond the basic intelligence?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I would say the clear light is the basic body of intelligence, rather than the action of it. You see you have substance, and you have the function of that substance.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=2707.0,2759.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62559/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 16]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER17: Why does merely having this experience result in something called \"liberation?\" And what's so special about that experience?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well nothing special about that experience, particularly, at all. But that's how things function.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER17: I mean they're constantly saying, \"Well if you have this experience of clear light you'll have liberation.\" Well, what's so special about that? Why does simply having some *one* experience, whatever you call it, why does that result in liberation?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: One experience? I suppose you could say that you have a chance to go through the process of the gap that we've been talking about. That once you got into that stage of clear light, struggle becomes irrelevant. So you have a chance to open yourself there. Or you have a chance to develop tremendous disillusionment, which is flipping into the insanity -- could have happen. So the point is that sanity and insanity are very close; liberation and imprisonment are very close.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER17: So when the-- so the experience of this experience, anyway, there's not-- I mean, there's still some question as to which way it would go.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Definitely, yeah. Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER17: And what determines that -- the way it goes?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I was going to talk that about that tomorrow. [laughs; laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=2759.0,2883.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62559/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 17]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER18: Is it-- does \"kaya\" mean \"body\" in \"dharmakaya\"?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: \"Kaya\" means \"body,\" yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER18: So-- and so this clear light is dharmakaya, no?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It's something more basic than dharmakaya.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER18: Svabhavikakaya?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No, not that end. The other end. [laughs] It's the space which accommodate space.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER18: Well, so dharmakaya's something a little more definite than that -- than the clear light?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, it's a *kaya* definitely. This is-- there's no kaya quality in the clear light at all.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER18: If I-- if you were to experience this from time to time, then you could experience as-- experience it as an origin of your action. For instance, I'm thinking of-- I mean I just can't help thinking of the three kayas, and thinking that you could experience this basic thing as a source from which you could feel a word, or a thought, or an action arising.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. Well, you see, the reason why that clear light, mere experience of clear light, could mean confusion or liberation because you are back to the space that accommodate--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER 18: Both.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --space. And the dharmakaya, when we begin to talk about dharmakaya, then we are talking the language of nirvana again. As far as a clear light is concerned, it's not belong to either samsara or nirvana. Therefore you are in the neutral ground, which might cause you to confuse again or free again.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER18: If you came down on the side of freedom would this...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Then you become dharmakaya.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER18: But would that-- that would mean experiencing the relationship of-- between dharmakaya, sambhogakaya and nirmanakaya as unclouded by any conflict. I mean, they would thread into each other without any problem and always be seen as the same thing. Always be seen as the same background.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, it would be very difficult to talk from that way, but--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER18: Well, I mean, whereas confusion would be you see the clear light and then you flip onto some other level of manifestation without seeing the relationship anymore.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Relationship?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER18: Between the new level of whatever experience you suddenly find yourself into and the clear light, anymore. You no longer feel the relationship.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's right yeah, yeah. The whole thing becomes-- you're sort of thrust into it, then you are confused.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=2883.0,3128.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62559/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 18]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER19: Rinpoche, does liberation in that sense mean that you simply perceive clear light, or that you stay in it?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well as long as you begin to perceive, you're staying in it.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER19: Yeah. It's got to be constant. I mean, perceiving it and then losing it is still total confusion. There's no element of...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, you don't perceive if you're about to flip out. You don't perceive, but you're in it, strange enough. But you don't perceive it. There is very faint differences between the two.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER19: So that liberation would mean that you somehow recognize it and perceive it.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes that's why the-- also refer to this whole thing as like meeting of the mother and son.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=3128.0,3201.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62559/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 19]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER20: Could you talk about the struggle some more between the insanity and the sanity? And, what-- I don't quite understand--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well there's in every-- in every state of mind there's always extreme struggles goes on. Struggle is you want to get through it completely. So whenever there is struggle is being made, that struggle could cause losing ground of some kind, always. Because you struggle so hard that you do not know -- some stage, you're not quite certain who's struggling and who's pushing. You lose all perspective altogether -- constantly happen that way.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER20: And the point is to stay with the struggle?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well you can't provide any tricks at that point at all.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER20: It just seems that in order to get to this basic intelligence there's this, sort of, a struggle that goes on.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, struggle happens by itself. It's-- the point of sanity and insanity is whether you remain completely in it -- in the struggle -- or whether you, sort of, instigate further struggle.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=3201.0,3330.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62559/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 20]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER21: Rinpoche, what about ghosts? I mean, do they-- those stories? ]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Ghosts?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER 21: Yeah. [Laughter] I mean, there seem, you know, like the attachment to some life form is so strong that we don't even-- I don't know where that comes about. It's-- I, sort of, thinking there's a story that comes out of South America of a Christian missionary who was an alcoholic. And when he died he was haunting the whole area until they poured a lot of whiskey over his grave. And it kind of quieted him -- [laughs; laughter] quieted him down.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER22: I don't think they poured the whiskey. They-- the gate-- the keeper of the cemetery brought bottles, or people brought bottles. And then they found the empty bottles. And there's reason to suspect that maybe it was keeper of the cemetery who was made happy by these donations.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER21: Well there seems to be though, I mean, the strength of attachment, the refusal to die. I think the same thing as-- is spoken of in The Dead, that, you know, that we -- the Book of the Dead -- that such people should be told right off that, \"You are dead and your wife has gone and married somebody else.\" And, like, \"there ain't nothing here for you anymore\" and \"get on with it\" type attitude, of course. You know, and they-- is that type of person hasn't even-- is he gone? Does he experience clear light or is he still involved in this pleasure-pain with his own attachments? Or thinking of someone he loves or that type of thing, and doesn't get beyond that? And--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER21: --has that attachment connection, say, with the--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It seem to be that always predictable, from that point of view, that person will go through the clear light experience anyway. Whether it is being perceived or not, you go through it. And beyond that, then there is the sanity is the perceiving of clear light--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER21: So even after--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --and then the other side is that not perceiving the clear light but passing through it. So clear light push you back to recreate your own world.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER21: So even after-- say that I-- that one is dying, and has reached the stage you spoke of where one may be concentrating on someone he loves or hates -- let's say someone he loves to make it prettier. Then he goes through clear-- he-- that he loses that -- that becomes very empty. He loses that, heads through the-- goes through clear light and then is bounced back into that again?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Bounce back that again, yeah. Mhmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=3330.0,3510.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62559/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 21]\r\n\r\n\r\nLILA KALLMAN: But doesn't this happen in the process of living? That you might have the experience of being transformed upon a different ground, and-- but that you might know that later on the struggles are going to begin again. And you can get quite resigned about it -- that this is not going to be a permanent state. That there is no such thing as long as you are alive -- that you are liberated for once and all -- at least not for practically all of us. I mean that it's going to repeat itself, won't it? I mean, you can perceive and feel this spacious thing, but still know that the other things are there. They temporarily don't have any particular impact but they might later on. And you might have to go through some more bardos.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I mean, the person could know theoretically that, but when actual experience happens that it becomes more than that. And still do the same thing again and again. From experiential level it becomes different. Somehow, just general understanding doesn't seem to do any good--\r\n\r\n\r\nLILA KALLMAN: No, but actually that is generally true; we don't know what we are talking about until we are in it. But it's also possible to temporarily have enough confidence and detachment to taste the possibility of further -- at least the idea of-- at least the recognition that there will be other struggles coming up, but one is willing.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: One is...?\r\n\r\n\r\nLILA KALLMAN: Willing.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nLILA KALLMAN: Is that possible and--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Willing to? Go through the struggle?\r\n\r\n\r\nLILA KALLMAN: Go through with whatever.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well that can only happen if there is some seed of fascination somewhere, that you want to, sort of, re-experience everything.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=3510.0,3665.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62559/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 22]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER23: How about the-- there's a church, within the United States -- I guess in England too -- called the Spiritualist Church, which is based on--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER23: --the belief that the ego survives death and can be contacted, and apparently with some type of success, at least I don't know, I don't think it's a charlatan. And what they're doing then in that case is you've got a spirit which is bouncing to clear light, back to what it loves or hates, back to clear light, and just setting that vibrational-- I mean, because if it's bounced back it's got to go back again, right?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER23: And then bounce back again and if there's--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER23: --and these people are-- actually been-- aren't as friendly as they might think that they are, since they're--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No. It's very, very--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER23: --seem to be encouraging the whole--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --very, very busy and very aggressive. I mean, that's why the different experience of division of peaceful divinities, wrathful divinities, and each are session of a vision of certain five tathagatas and eight gauris and others come to preach you-- approach you. And there is always a chance of relating to them properly or bouncing back. So there is a continual, kind of, clear light experience. But that clear light experience doesn't seem to be as dramatic and basic as the first clear light, which you, sort of, completely step out of bodily situation of anything.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=3665.0,3768.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62559/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 23]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER23: In Christianity when-- the only Christian instructions I know for dying is to focus on Christ as the guide and as someone you love, then I take it then that that falls away very early. Because, you know, if it's that someone you love, then that becomes empty when you hit clear light. Which doesn't make the whole thing very meaningful. I mean, there must be more to it than that? [laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER23: Because it's a very high teaching. I mean, you know...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, as you said, that whole is unless the whole thing is being regarded as your own doing -- including your emotions are your own doing -- then there is no end.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER23: Hmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I mean from that point of view--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER23: What types of experiences does the Christian have in that bardo, though?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, unless they're, from that point of view, there's an identification with Christ or final understanding of a Christ principle of some kind. That it's exactly the same as having your grandmother coming to and approach you. Or, at the same time, you could have a grandmother principle if you understand that, then it becomes-- [laughs; laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER23: When Saint Francis died there were wounds that opened up on his hands because he was so identified with the crucifixion.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=3768.0,3879.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62559/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 24]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER24: There's one thing I don't understand, that is if, like, you have a clear light experience, and you recognize it but then you come down -- what's that? In other words you recognize it, you weren't lost in it, you recognize it, but you came down, you know? You still believe that it's not there, you know, it's not a direct access. It's not right there like it was--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well then that is not really recognizing at all. It's sort of laying a trip on clear light.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=3879.0,3916.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62559/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 25]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER25: Is that what you mean by being reborn again?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, which means that clear light becomes just clear light, in terms of concept.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=3916.0,3928.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62559/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 26]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER26: Rinpoche, there seems to be some particular value to an experience of mental uncertainty, insanity, in life as relating to this. Can you point to that?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: In everyday life?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER26: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well that's the one very important point. Is that when there is a strong identification of oneself as belong to the world of gods, or belong to the world of animals, belong to the world of hungry ghosts, or the hell beings, then each emotions, each situations of your life, your experience, would bring that crescendo: that uncertainty of sanity and insanity, constantly. So there is constant opportunities of clicking, in terms of enlightenment, or switching off in terms of insanity -- constantly happens in the living situation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=3928.0,4011.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62559/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 27]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER27: Insanity is the ego?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think so, yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER27: And then what's sanity?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well sanity is that area, the natural area that ego didn't covered. [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER27: Is that the substance?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER27: Could-- is that the substance that comes from the basic intelligence?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. Mhmm. [laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=4011.0,4045.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62559/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 28]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER28: Rinpoche, can you explain those different realms and whether they interact in a lifetime or whether...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, well I was going to go through it in the course of our seminar. And get to very vivid experience of them and--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=4045.0,4063.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62559/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 29]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER28: In the culture that this book comes from, is there any attempt to guide the animals through the bardo? Or just purely a human trip?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well it seems that there is a conflict--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER28: I know that--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --between the terms of communication and what's called the human realm is known as the land of karma. That subtle communication could be related to. Maybe animals could perceive some vibrations, but it wouldn't be as accurate.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER28: I remember--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: And as that depends on your subtlety.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER28: --in your book with the photographs there's the stables of the Dalai Lama, there's nice pictures for the horses to look at. So I-- which I thought was very nice. [Laughter] And it seemed to be-- you know, the mental attitude of the animal seemed to be valued. And it's different than in the West. I mean, the idea that someone would go to put pictures for the-- so that the horses, while they're in the stables, would have some pleasant things to view. [laughter] I take it that that's why they were there, I mean... [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well it seems that animals are treated more kindly in the West than in the East, generally. I mean, people talk to them and have conversations with them and [laughter] dress them up, and all sorts of things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=4063.0,4159.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62559/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 30]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER30: Rinpoche, on that same subject, Evans-Wentz goes to some length trying to explain away the view of humans being reincarnated as animals when he says that this is a figure of speech, more or less; that it's the brute-like nature of the human personality that is reincarnated as a brute-like being -- not as an animal. Is that what you mean--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well that's-- a lot of people who studied Oriental philosophy of karma find it very embarrassing and are always trying to find some way of making more sophisticated, from their point of view. [Laughs] But somehow it doesn't seem to be accurate. And, I mean, there are-- human beings are, like, very much like animals. Particularly when their struggle becomes more and more gross level struggle. And almost they, sort of, end up by being animals. Which, sort of, automatically leaves the mentality of animals. So the next rebirth as animal doesn't seem to be big change for them at all; end up by being by bitch or snake, or whatever it may be. But, at the same time, there are certain animals have that kind of human quality as well. And in their process, on the other hand, that on-- after their death if they end up being like human beings that doesn't seem to be a big change. And it's relative.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=4159.0,4269.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62559/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 31]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER31: Could you speak about the energy in relation to the struggle?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: The energy?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER31: In relation to the struggle between the insanity and sanity.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well it's-- you have some basic situation to work on. And that situation become more and more acute and oppressive. And once you have already instigated the whole thing, that one would have the longing to achieve something. And one tend to push oneself more and more. So the whole thing becomes a chain reaction. And finally, that you develop, your struggle begin to take shape of a *complete* struggle. In other words, the struggle begin to take you over. And that point, that one is either completely intoxicated in the struggle, or one is being able to see the irrelevant question of-- on part of the struggle, and you have this area, neutral area, you come to at some stage. So then that's the point of sanity and insanity at that point. If you see the irrelevant of the struggle, then that's the sanity. And if you see the complete intoxication of-- into the struggle, then you develop yourself as a hungry ghost or animal realm or realm of-- or world of gods, whatever it may be. I mean, that doesn't mean to say that you have to be-- you have to die and reborn, as such, but in this lifetime when a person go through such experiences, they actually manifest themselves as a hungry ghost or jealous gods or whatever it may be; they actually become one.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=4269.0,4420.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62559/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 32]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER32: Rinpoche? When one feels oneself operating out of a, kind of, a state of thick woolen fog, where, say, everyday objects even lose their reality, and when, like, nothing seems to make connections, how does one deal with that kind of a state?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well it's not a question of stepping out of it or dealing with it in such a way. But there is also, kind of, a spark of intelligence, occasional flashing. It seems that that kind of complete stupidity is not really stupidity in the ordinary sense but it is also there is possibilities of relating with the space as well.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER32: I don't understand.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well the space in this case is the-- like the clear light experience that we are talking about. That person is very close to the clear light and space. At the same time, person is very close to stupidity, ignorance. And at that point I don't think you could do anything very much. Because you're already in it. But it seems that the other method is one can not only build continual process of practice, which brings familiarity of basic space, like through practice of meditation, or general space that happens in everyday life situation. Which would then lead you into a situation where that when you have the ignorant space you begin to see there's also the clear light element in it as well -- automatically -- and you get into it. And that's why that it has been said that even Buddha cannot save you falling into hell; it's up to you to work on yourself. So when you-- on that particular dangers point, nobody actually can rescue you at all. It is seem to be natural karmic thing; that you have already caused the situation and you are going through the effect of it. It's like arrow on its way already.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=4420.0,4606.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62559/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 33]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER33: Rinpoche, who is it that sees the clear light? It's the ego who perceives it, or the natural ground of... ? The clear lights, the lights -- it's the clear light and what?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well it's by itself. That's why it is hard to tell whether you actually experience the clear light or whether you are going back to confusion. Clear light cannot be seen in terms of relative situations at all. So it's sort of perceiving by itself.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER33: Then that should be the *end* and we'll bounce on--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Or the beginning. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER33: --yeah but then what is this business of at that point you either go insane or you stay sane? Because if it's just the clear light -- where is the \"you?\" What karma is acting there? What...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, you could say that that point is that you are touching the root of karma. But you haven't transcended karmic cause altogether at all. That there is the clear light, and complete involvement with clear light, which also is tremendous energy -- spark of light happens. So either this energy could manifest themselves as conflicting emotions, energies to each other, or else, that you go along with the energy and you are able to free yourself from it. It's purely--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER33: Free yourself from what?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Free yourself from conflict of the emotions-- conflict of the *energies*, I mean. So it's-- that's one of the very basic question. That the whole thing of ego origination, that we are talking about. How, if there's basic space, how could ego manifest by itself and confuse in the world? It's one of the very fundamental point there. And energies have nothing wrong at all, but it's the rubbing of each other's energy -- one's own each other's energy, within oneself -- provides a different kind of spark of light. Which results in the basic way of arriving to the clear light; what are entity arrive to the clear light, what style you arrived in the clear light.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER33: So, what precedes the moment of the clear light is what's going to determine--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Determine it, yeah. Mhmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=4606.0,4791.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62559/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 34]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER34: What about when the energy is just all used up from it?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Used up?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER34: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You can't use up energies completely.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER34: Well...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That means you already have tremendous energy to use some energies up. [Laughter; laughs] I mean, energy is endless. Space is, in itself, energy.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER34: Then it should be easy to get energy any time.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes. And that's the-- that seems to be the problem. Or also the solution, on the other hand.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=4791.0,4835.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62559/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 35]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER35: Rinpoche, when they speak in terms of recognizing, and becoming permanently united with -- in the book now, what you're saying, like, you recognize your own emotions as your own doing, and that's, you know, the end. What is that permanent state that's being alluded to? What-- how permanent is that permanent state, considering that you can't change--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Recognizing?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER35: Like, recognizing one's own self, one becomes permanently united with the dharmakaya. That's \"liberation by recognition\" in the book.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER35: And liberation would be certain. Anyway, I'm just remembering--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. Well, you can't have a permanent recognition, from that point of view. In other word, you can't reunite it, in terms of like combining black and white together. You can be-- you could be completely *in it* without any relative notion of any kind at all. And even notion of \"permanent\" doesn't apply there. So when there's no notion of \"permanent\" in terms of maintenance involved, then that seems to be the end. I mean, language of \"permanent\" doesn't apply any more at all. It's not question of that regard-- not question of how much you can be permanent, but it's a question of how much you-- when you get off the notion of \"permanent\" at all.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER35: Because there's no knower, right? But--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: There's no knower.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER35: --where is that? You know, like, not from the standpoint of the person who's not perceiving it, but from the standpoint of space and the universe -- where does that manifest?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, nowhere or everywhere -- whatever you'd like to call it. [laughs] It's regarding the negative as positive, completely positive. Or zero is million, or zero is nothing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=4835.0,5007.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62559/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 36]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER36: The outcome is dependent on what preceded. And, I mean, it seems like it's all that's-- if you go back, we're going to say the same thing all the way back anyway. At each of these-- any crucial moment, any kind of bardo, whatever, peak experience, whatever, the outcome of sanity or insanity is dependent on what preceded.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER36: So at what point is there some significant choice or movement that one can take?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Choice... what? Choice between... ?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER36: Well, in other words, isn't that the nowness that, I mean, of the meditation that--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, that's what I'm trying to get at. What does our friend mean? [laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER36: [laughs] And I'm trying to get at what *you* mean. [Laughter] Why are we discussing these things if they just happen as they happen and there's no point at which one can influence the story at all?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, there is no choice if we are talking about how we could change the course of a bullet when it's already on its way. But there is a choice whether we fire a bullet or not.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER36: Let's talk about that, I mean, is that... ? [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well that situation is based on struggle. That is a struggle applied altogether, in order to get something. Or isn't the other way of dealing with the result by not struggling?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=5007.0,5146.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62559/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 37]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER37: Every time we push we're going to get pushed back.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Every time you push... ?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER37: But it's up to us whether or not we push?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: We're providing the-- we provide more energy to be pushed back.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER37: Yeah, but I mean, so like, once we've pushed, tough luck! I mean, it's coming back, that's all there is to it.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Once we begin to push, we been thrown back.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER37: Right but it's--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER37: --still up to us whether or not--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --whether we push or not. Yeah. That's the whole point.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=5146.0,5177.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62559/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 38]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER38: And this pushing, is it the negative aspect?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Pushing... ?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER38: I mean *willfully* pushing?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah it's ego--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER38: Ego--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --activity, we could say. Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER38: But it seems like in the struggle, if given space, the unconscious seems to be-- seems *wanting* to become conscious. There's something unconscious that wants to become conscious.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER38: But it's very difficult and delicate. It's, as you get space, and you realize this...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER38: You don't know exactly where you fit. [Laughs] I mean, you give a little space--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well there's your chance now.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER38: --that's the plus-- that's the point.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, that's the point, there's your chance. And just to go a little bit more, without pushing. When you are not quite certain, be a little bit more adventurous and just step into that unknown territory. Not with the tension of pushing, but just tension of-- attitude of exploring.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER38: Use your imagination, in other words the--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Or--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER38: --just use your imagination.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --faith -- or whatever you like to call it -- trust, ultimate optimism.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER38: We can always feel with you that you are quite ready to drown and say with a smile, [laughs] \"Go ahead, drown.\" But with a smile.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, one never knows whether it's a suicidal process or not. So one have to just experience a little bit, and *get into it* actually.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=5177.0,5286.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62559/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 39]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER39: If it's a suicidal process do we back off?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Then too late. [Laugher; laughs] But that's a chance you have to take.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER39: Well there seem to be certain areas that are open to us, like, you said yesterday we shouldn't be too adventurous. That there'd be certain areas that seem to be open to us that you were suggesting that, perhaps, we *don't* step into -- last night.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: We don't what?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER39: Last night you said we possibly shouldn't be too adventurous; that such a thing is dangerous. And that we-- do you remember the situation any different?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well it's a question of-- at that point it's a question of one wouldn't take the attitude of exploring, but one have a very fixed notion of what you're going to do, what you're going to get. Which is not at all open minded. It's another kind of adventure.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER39: Who is the explorer in this point that you're speaking of?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Explorer? The explorer, who could that be? Hmm, I couldn't find it. [laughter] But action goes on nevertheless. But it doesn't seem to be necessary to know who is explorer as long as there's exploration goes on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=5286.0,5398.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62559/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 40]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER40: Where is the common ground of these, [UNCLEAR: how do you figure here?] [INAUDIBLE WORDS].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Common ground?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER40: Yeah, where is that?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It's the basic environment where whole thing could function.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER40: Where that whole thing--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Whole thing functions, yeah, whole thing fits. The basic oxygen or basic atmosphere.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER40: Do children experience this?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Children's experience--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER40: Well I'm also asking-- I'm asking several questions. One is, whether we're talking about life experiences or after death, or whether there's any difference.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, surely there is differences. What we're talking is the actual living situation.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER40: But living situations change. So does that mean that the ground changes?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Living situation change, as matter and antimatter, but they both function in the same -- in one environment of space. Otherwise you couldn't have change at all, you'd have frozen space. Change could only take in one predictable situation -- if you'd like to put it that way. That predictable situation *is* the background.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=5398.0,5493.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62559/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 41]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER41: So the absence of struggle is the clear light?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Not quite. It would be better to say the confused end product of struggle is clear light.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER41: So you have to go through the struggle to get there?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: As far as clear light is concerned, yes. Definitely.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER41: And do you feel--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Because the clear light is neutral ground. It's neither enlightened state of mind or-- nor it's confused mind; it's neutral ground. But if one was to get into the experience of awakened state of mind, like satori experience, then that's the absence of struggle.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=5493.0,5553.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62559/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 42]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER42: What are-- what is the-- when the clear light comes up, what is the situation with the clear light? What is the relation with the clear light that happens to come up with enlightenment, [UNCLEAR: that of insanity? rather than sanity?]?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, enlightenment experience, in terms to clear light, is the relating with energies within the clear light.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER42: What do you mean by relating with them?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, you see, clear light is the actual desolate open space. And enlightened experience is the space contains energy. And from that space, from that desolate space to the space which contains energy, you could get into. Which is very, very, very, very smooth and very, very close.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER42: Well, I guess what I'm asking is: when anything comes up -- clear light, or any kind of projection, or any kind of situation where you're not having associations of memory, there's just something, you're there, there's something there -- you can relate by identification, you can relate by withdrawing, you can relate just by sort of paying attention. You're dancing through the possibilities.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I see, yeah. Well in terms of enlightenment, there's-- it's relating from terms of being.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER42: In terms of being?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Just being.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER42: That-- the projection is just being--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Just being in a clear light. In order to *be* you can't just sit still. You have to *be*. Which means there are more energies there. Any of the other struggles, other way of doing things, doesn't work; it's back to insanity.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER42: So it's-- you mean it's more like dancing with it?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, precisely.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=5553.0,5703.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62559/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 43]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER43: Are you saying that we should explore any situation that presents itself to us?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Any... ?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER43: Any, say, situation that comes up that-- I mean, I'm taking it out of the bardo down to life situation. And you said that we should enter into the possibility of this situation, unknown situation, enter into it as an explorer.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well that's--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER43: --just to explore it. And does that apply to basic life situations too, like any possible life situation that presents itself to us, that we should enter into it just with an exploring the attitude, non-violently?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I mean, there is certain areas you can explore as far as you can. I mean you can't explore too far to--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER43: Well the situation is--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --try and explore death experience. Because nobody would understand it. You have only one time to go. You can't repeat it again.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER43: Yeah, well that's--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's suicidal. That's issue of--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER43: --well, that situation comes-- there's not too many situations that come up that are-- that call for you to explore death experience. You know--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: But any other situation comes up, that they automatically provides seed. I mean, they automatically provides the possibilities of seeing in terms of struggle, seeing in terms of non-struggle basis.\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n[AUDIO CUTS OUT]\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=5703.0,5780.51413"}]},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62560","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["19710925VCTR1-Captions [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62560/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ARP SLATE:\nThis is the Venerable\nChogyam Trungpa Rinpoche,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=1.07,3.419"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62560/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"seminar on Tibetan Book\nof the Dead,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=5.06,6.91"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62560/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"held at Tail\nof the Tiger, Vermont.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=6.91,8.66"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62560/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This is talk Number Two,\nheld September 25th, 1971.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=9.22,13.92"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62560/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This is an ARP digital\nremaster made March 2006.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=15.43,19.64"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62560/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ORIGINAL SLATE:\nThis will be Chogyam\nTrungpa Rinpoche.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=19.64,22.96"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62560/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Seminar on the Tibetan Book\nof the Dead,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=24.43,26.43"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62560/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"held at Tail of the Tiger\nin September, 1971.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=27.14,29.93"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62560/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This will be talk Number Two,\nSeptember 25th.\nChonyi Bardo, Part One.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=31.76,36.97"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62560/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE:\nSuppose we could begin\nwith talking","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=112.58,115.89"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62560/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"about \"chonyi\" bardo,\nthe first state of bardo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=115.89,124.81"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62560/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And before we get\ninto that detail,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=129.43,137.66"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62560/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"it is necessary\nto see the application\nof such bardo teaching.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=140.45,150.29"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62560/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I mean, you could say\nthat supposing these things","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=151.42,156.5"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62560/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"happen to people who are dying,\nand the experience go\nthrough different stages 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And you haven't--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=2069.28,2070.52"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62560/annotation/380","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I mean, you don't manage\nto kill yourself at all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=2070.52,2072.97"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62560/annotation/381","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Because you think\nyou are killing 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all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=2087.37,2089.74"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62560/annotation/386","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So there is--\nhad to be killer\nto kill yourself --","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=2089.74,2092.31"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62560/annotation/387","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"make sure that\nyou are died 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You--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=2240.82,2245.06"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62560/annotation/428","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER9: But I don't feel\nthat I see the clear light\nconstantly all the 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Mhmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=2869.82,2872.07"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62560/annotation/557","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER17:\nAnd what determines that --\nthe way it goes?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=2872.07,2875.5"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62560/annotation/558","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE:\nWell I was going to talk that\nabout that 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Hmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=3829.01,3830.61"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62560/annotation/767","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE:\nI mean from that point of view--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=3831.99,3833.86"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62560/annotation/768","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER23: What types of\nexperiences does the Christian\nhave in that bardo, 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Mhmm.\n[laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=4041.31,4045.6"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62560/annotation/816","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER28:\nRinpoche, can you explain\nthose different realms","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=4045.6,4049.09"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62560/annotation/817","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and whether they interact\nin a lifetime or 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enlightenment,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=5566.2,5571.18"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62560/annotation/1148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[UNCLEAR: that of insanity? rather\nthan sanity?]?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704#t=5571.18,5573.49"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115836/file/219704/transcript/62560/annotation/1149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE:\nWell, enlightenment experience,\nin terms to clear 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