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As \"ground tantra\", awareness that sees symbolism in day-to-day life.  \"Mudra\" as twofold -- emptiness, and freeing oneself from samsaric world.  Mahamudra process also having two levels: cutting through dualistic fabrications, seeing emptiness.  Recounts two stories central to Marpa's life: his last visit to Naropa, and death of brilliant son and successor Darma Dode, and why karmically that happened. Toward end of Marpa's life, everything on level of mahamudra, but ordinary, not mystical, within reach. Importance of surrendering to lineage in order to experience mahamudra. Kagyu lineage approach is genuine commitment on part of student and teacher. In Q\u0026amp;A, defines what he means by \"cutting through\" in mahamudra process."]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication"]},"value":{"en":["BOOK: Collected Works Vol 10"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication Details"]},"value":{"en":["BOOK: COLLECTED WORKS VOL 10: Selected Writings, \"An Element of Unreasonability\"\u003cbr\u003e\n-- from \u003ca href=\"https://www.shambhala.com/the-collected-works-of-chogyam-trungpa-volume-10-15032.html\"\u003eShambhala Publications\u003c/a\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Transcription Credits"]},"value":{"en":["Dec 17 2019 to Nov 12 2020\nTranscribing: Ella Milligan\nChecking: Leandra Ziegler\nFinal Proof: Travis May\nTerminology Review: Matilda Perks\nOther Contributors: Warner Dick, Lynn Friedman"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["© Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced"]}},{"label":{"en":["Year"]},"value":{"en":["1973"]}}],"summary":{"en":["A talk focused on Marpa's experience of mahamudra, defining mark of Kagyu lineage, clarifies what mahamudra is. As \"ground tantra\", awareness that sees symbolism in day-to-day life.  \"Mudra\" as twofold -- emptiness, and freeing oneself from samsaric world.  Mahamudra process also having two levels: cutting through dualistic fabrications, seeing emptiness.  Recounts two stories central to Marpa's life: his last visit to Naropa, and death of brilliant son and successor Darma Dode, and why karmically that happened. Toward end of Marpa's life, everything on level of mahamudra, but ordinary, not mystical, within reach. Importance of surrendering to lineage in order to experience mahamudra. Kagyu lineage approach is genuine commitment on part of student and teacher. In Q\u0026amp;A, defines what he means by \"cutting through\" in mahamudra process."]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["© Diana J. 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Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]\r\n\r\n\r\nORIGINAL SLATE: This is talk four of The Life and Teachings of Marpa seminar, given at Tail of the Tiger, September, 1973.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144649/file/267358#t=0.0,12.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144649/file/267358/transcript/77276/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: MAIN TALK]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think there is one thing very important thing we should know about teaching and style of Marpa is how Marpa represent-- represented as mahamudra accomplished person. That, traditionally, mahamudra is what's called part of the ground tantra. There are three stages of tantra -- the ground tantra, and the path tantra, and fruition tantra. So mahamudra tantra is associated with the ground tantra, which means development of awareness in which that existing symbolism becomes important, or becomes guideline in our day to day life situation as tantric vision. And symbolism, this case, is not representational, as something which stands for something. But symbolism in a sense of seeing the deep core of phenomenal world as they are, the heart of the phenomenal world as they are. Which constitute not only related with the people alone but also related with the events and inanimate object as well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144649/file/267358#t=12.0,143.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144649/file/267358/transcript/77276/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The earthiness of Marpa's approach is very much connected with the ground or the earth, the basic earth. The word \"mudra\" means-- has two interpretations, two aspects rather. That mudra of wisdom of shunyata, and mudra of freeing oneself from samsaric network. And *maha*mudra, the great-- \"maha\" means \"great\" or \"grand\" in Sanskrit, but great in the sense of as far as you can go, rather than comparing to the small. So therefore, mahamudra is greater.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144649/file/267358#t=143.0,224.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144649/file/267358/transcript/77276/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So the destructive aspect of mahamudra is that cutting through the samsaric network and the creative aspect of mahamudra is developing shunyata wisdom. So that you could say the perception of mahamudra, when you perceive anything, the process of perception takes process-- two types of processes. To begin with, cut the dualistic fabrications that developed; and secondly, to see its emptiness. And the symbolism of-- seeing symbolism in the phenomenal world is made out of those two process. You could say the approach to cutting through is that of the masculine principle, and approach to seeing emptiness is the feminine approach, feminine principle. So that mahamudra can be only perceived by, in the Tibetan term, what's called \"rochik.\" \"Ro\" means \"taste,\" \"chik\" means \"one.\" So can be only perceived by one taste, one flavor, which is beyond two.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144649/file/267358#t=224.0,327.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144649/file/267358/transcript/77276/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So is that kind of awareness is not just smooth and tranquil awareness, but that kind of awareness is-- first perception awareness is sharp blow, and then explosion into the nonexistence. And this case, when we talk about nonexistence, it is quite different from that of the nonexistence that we discussed in shunyata principle in the ordinary-- in the bodhisattva's path or the Zen style of a version of shunyata from this point.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144649/file/267358#t=327.0,368.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144649/file/267358/transcript/77276/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The difference is, in the Zen tradition of shunyata, or the mahayanists’ approach to shunyata, is the obstacles are removed rather than cut through. The obstacles are dissolved. It is more like cleaning up process than tearing out process. And often, that cleaning up process is referred as experience of \"no mind\" in the Zen tradition, which is a yogacharan school of thought, which is another approach of mahayana school. Yogacharans looked at shunyata experiences as experience out of luminous consciousness, the brilliantness, highly intelligent. But still it is mind, mind's conception of nonexistence of duality. And it's gentle blow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144649/file/267358#t=368.0,464.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144649/file/267358/transcript/77276/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In the Heart Sutra, talks about no form, no concept, no nothing, and approach is very gentle one. Simply negating, rather than make any emphasis on cutting through. And also, in the mahayana tradition of shunyata is very meditative one, or more likely we could say contemplative one, opposed to purely meditative one. It is contemplative one, because you contemplate on the nonexistence with no mind. But still, it is becomes a contemplation. Similar to that of the shikantaza experience, that the final experience of Zen tradition of transcending techniques of breathing, watching the breathing, whatever, is tasting duality from that point of view -- from the point of view of one taste of mahamudra's approach opposed to this one. This is tasting duality. You are tasting the core of duality of no mind.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144649/file/267358#t=464.0,561.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144649/file/267358/transcript/77276/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And still allegiance towards emptiness. Still allegiance to shunyata, which is, up to certain point, euphoric experience of absorbed into that nothingness. Very cool and precise. Simple, but artistic. It's work of art. So from that point of view of the mahamudra experience, have no room for work of art, artistic measure of anything particularly. The work of art is not particularly reference point. Work of gentle art is too civilized from mahamudra's point of view. So there's a sense of element of craziness, element of unreasonable, unreasonability. That you are not even conned by the artistic simplicity of nothingness.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144649/file/267358#t=561.0,632.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144649/file/267358/transcript/77276/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And we were talking about koans last night that has been used by Naropa. And these are type of koans, but these are not really koans to contemplate on, koans which either you get it or you don't get it. In fact, it cease to pass through the idea of even challenge. It is self-existent. So Marpa's experience or understanding of tantra has become very living one. Not artistic one, or not gentle one, but it's very abrupt one, very direct one. That when he comes to confrontations of livelihood situation-- living situation, in search for teaching, or relating with the teachings, that Marpa simply plunge into it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144649/file/267358#t=632.0,709.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144649/file/267358/transcript/77276/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There's one point in which that Marpa is prepared for his third visit to Naropa, and he had collected enough gold to take to India, and all his baggages are prepared for his journey. And his family hide away his gold and his baggage, hoping that if he couldn't discover one, then he might stay behind. And Marpa was very angry about that. And he said, \"I'm going to India whether I have my gold or not. I'm still going.\" And he departed, he left. So they have to chase after him and invite him back and say, \"We would like to give you,\" what you call, \"farewell party, and have to present you with gold.\" And in fact, Marpa was absorbed in his pleasure of teaching to students, and he was-- he set up this elaborate tantric shrine, mandala, and he was just about to perform abhisheka to his students. And he had a dream of Naropa calling him, and the next day he canceled the whole project and he left. He decide to go to India. His third visit.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144649/file/267358#t=709.0,834.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144649/file/267358/transcript/77276/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Those little incidents plays extremely important part in Marpa's life; that there's no art involved. The messages that he gets have nothing to do with scholarship or secret language of scholars that can be comprehended through language or study of epistemology. But he could still-- but only thing is that there is simple and direct truth. That his moves are very abrupt and very definite one. And having already visited Naropa, he returned from India after third visit is completed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144649/file/267358#t=834.0,929.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144649/file/267358/transcript/77276/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marpa gave instructions to his children, and they all become great students, great scholars, and yogis. And his oldest son is particularly brilliant, and Marpa-- it is Marpa's wish he should become his successor. Very proud young man, and learned and accomplished person, and constantly compete with his father. That when his father lost-- forgets, lost memory of certain details, technical details in the teachings, middle of his talk or something, his son whispers to him how to finish his-- the rest of the quotations or certain philosophical details. And son become extraordinary brilliant person. And he spoke absolutely perfect, impeccable Sanskrit and Bengali. And in fact, towards end of the age, that his son become the most of the magnetizing star in the Marpa family than the older Marpa himself. Because people like that kind of sophistication and smartness and sharpness.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144649/file/267358#t=929.0,1067.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144649/file/267358/transcript/77276/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This is an interesting story for-- as far as Marpa's concerned, or the whole story is concerned. Is that his son, Darma Dode was invited in neighboring scholar, and they have created equivalent of a garden party of scholars and teachers and dignitaries of all over the place, invited-- created this place in which that food and drink be served, and philosophical discussions took place, logical debate.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144649/file/267358#t=1067.0,1127.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144649/file/267358/transcript/77276/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And Marpa refuse to send him. And his son would like to go there to show himself off, exercise his authority, and create a better image of Marpa family and the lineage. And his son took it as slight jealous in his part, that he just want to be stubborn and stop his son going there. So Marpa says, \"If you have-- must go you should go. If you want, you must go if you must. But don't engage in the philosophy-- philosophical debate. Don't stay too long. Come back home earlier.\" And they went. And Milarepa is acting as escort to his son, attendant. And they went to the party. And they had philosophical discussion, which Darma Dode has to join in. And he couldn't play dumb, so he feels that's-- if he didn't join in, he was giving into his stupidity or whatever. And discussions very wild and exciting, and Darma Dode was extremely excited about his abilities and knowledge in the fine point of philosophy and knowledge in the yogic teachings, yogic trainings.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144649/file/267358#t=1127.0,1246.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144649/file/267358/transcript/77276/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And they rode home, back. As Milarepa reminded Marpa's son that, \"I have the duty of bringing you back home earlier, so shall we go?\" And then they left. On the way, that Darma Dode fall off from his horse. And the horse was disturbed by a bird nesting on the field among rushes, nesting their chicks. And suddenly flew, they disturb the horse, and the horse ran wild. Darma Dode fall down. Still his foot caught in the stirrups, and his head was crushed into the boulders of the area. And he died. The horse run back to the stable in Marpa's home with the half-dead passenger.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144649/file/267358#t=1246.0,1321.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144649/file/267358/transcript/77276/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was very disheartening for Marpa. In spite of the teachings that he received, and all kinds of understanding of impermanence and everything, still it was very disheartening to him. One of his students said to Marpa, \"You used to tell us that everything is illusion, and there's no substance in anything. And you used to tell us there's no point in worrying about these things. But now you seem to be in trouble, and you really seem upset. How is this possible?\" And Marpa says, \"It is illusion. But my son's death is wild illusion. It's super illusion. So it is quite different from your ordinary stupid illusions. [laughter] It's great illusion.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144649/file/267358#t=1321.0,1400.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144649/file/267358/transcript/77276/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That is actually related with earlier story of Marpa's life when he met Naropa, and Naropa has established, or magically created mandala of Hevajra. No, Hevajra's right, Hevajra. And he asked Marpa, \"To whom you would prostrate, that magical mandala that I've created here, or to me?\" And what Marpa thought was this was unusual to see a miracle of seeing Hevajra mandala actually living form there. And he was extraordinarily excited about it. And he said, \"I will prostrate to the Hevajra mandala.\" He prostrate to the mandala, the creation of the guru, rather than guru himself.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144649/file/267358#t=1400.0,1466.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144649/file/267358/transcript/77276/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And afterwards, Naropa said to Marpa that, \"Because you didn't have a trust in human continual-- human beings continuing the lineage, you seem to be tripping out into magic and creating superhuman forms. So this will be-- there will be some interruption in your life. That your lineage will continue as a student-teacher disciple relationship, rather than your family lineage of heir would not continue.\" So that was kind of the delayed action that happened to Marpa later. That when his son got killed, there was the-- due to that Marpa is not trusting Naropa, and he was more excited by the magical creation than Naropa himself. There are lot of things to learn about that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144649/file/267358#t=1466.0,1543.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144649/file/267358/transcript/77276/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And all these things happening in Marpa's life is part of the directions comes from the part of the real understanding of mahamudra, symbolism. That whenever there's a decision comes up, situations create the decision for you, rather than you sit down and think about it or plan anything.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144649/file/267358#t=1543.0,1585.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144649/file/267358/transcript/77276/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"As Marpa aged, his experience of continual mahamudra messages become a natural home ground for him. That he even doesn't have to try to make sure that he tune into it, but they are-- they happened naturally, spontaneously. That's one of the interesting point about being the level of \"old dog\" quality. That these happenings are no longer new to you. And you know how to tune yourself into it quite simply, easily.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144649/file/267358#t=1585.0,1635.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144649/file/267358/transcript/77276/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So the life example of Marpa has, in some sense, less magical, miracle, mystical aspect in it. But, on the other hand, it is much more superior than any of the other people in the lineage. It is very ordinary one. And it is also workable. If one of us in that situation, we could also work our way through, very simply. And all of this activities of Marpa and his development and examples of Marpa is altogether based on that basic question that we've introduced, is the idea of surrendering, real surrendering to the lineage. If there's no real dedication, real surrendering to the lineage, then one would not expect real understanding of mahamudra, because you can't expect best of the both worlds. You don't have to commit yourself into it, yet at the same time, you have a mahamudra experience. In order to purchase home, you have to put some down payment.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144649/file/267358#t=1635.0,1733.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144649/file/267358/transcript/77276/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So that whole thing is fundamentally based on, looking back at talks and seminar, are based on the real commitment. Genuine commitment. Commitment that is not based on day-to-day temperament. Commitment that is not based on pure ego-oriented project or promises. Commitment which knows that all the journey, all the discovery, is part of giving up hope and fear. And also commitment is based on fearlessness attitude. That mahamudra experiences, these experience comes to you, and it could be workable. Rather than taking attitude of those experience are being-- somewhat constantly being confirmation or pleasurable. And commitment that has nothing to do with seeking pleasure or security, but real commitment.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144649/file/267358#t=1733.0,1840.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144649/file/267358/transcript/77276/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"If you didn't have the commitment from guru to disciple and throughout the lineage, to each other, to pass down the knowledge, and what we going to get, what we might get is half-baked bread. Which only can produce a stomach upset amongst further sickness. The purity and energy of the teachings cannot survive. One of the holders of the lineage have half-hearted commitment to the teachings, then that contagious seed becomes more extraordinary, exaggerated throughout the generations. So it will become highly destructive.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144649/file/267358#t=1840.0,1897.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144649/file/267358/transcript/77276/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So I suppose we could simplify the Marpa's example and Marpa's approach to mahamudra experience is based on a complete commitment and basic sanity, which he accept his everyday life situations. And at the same time, he is able to see his life situation as the path or the ground path of mahamudra. You might find it sounds too big undertaking, but it seem to be extremely simple to begin with. If our patience permitting, it is easy to follow the path. Once we are committed, we have no choice. It is same as that of the masters accepting student at the same time, as well as you are accepting the master. As far as the master is concerned, that once student commit themselves into the path, it is like passenger getting into airplane. And, in the middle of its flight, the captain can't kick out the passenger. That masters have to hang onto the passengers. But at the same time, the passengers might find it is very claustrophobic. That you have no way out. There's no chance to chicken out at all. But that's too late. Either you got-- could get into the airplane at the beginning or not. Once you got into it, you haven't planned anything, so you can't even hijack the airplane. [laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144649/file/267358#t=1897.0,2026.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144649/file/267358/transcript/77276/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, particularly Kagyupa lineage style is concerned once person is committed into it, that person is forever becomes a part of the lineage. Whether you become a chief star, or ordinary dishwasher, or a clerk -- but still the same thing.\r\n\r\n\r\nWe could have a short discussions on that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144649/file/267358#t=2026.0,2064.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144649/file/267358/transcript/77276/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 1]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: I'm having trouble understanding exactly what you mean by a true commitment to practice and to a master. You mean, someone who has a healthy attitude towards his work and toward his meditation and towards the people around him? As opposed to someone who, you know, just kind of goes lackadaisical, does something here, does something there, and doesn't really put himself into it? Is that what you mean [INAUDIBLE]--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I think, it's-- I think, it's question of that if person has a real commitment, that it is that he trust him*self* somewhat.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: [INAUDIBLE]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. And he also trust the-- there something in the teachings.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: That they'll be true to him in his work.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. Commitment is a level of how much you feel yourself identify with the teachings. It's very simple from that point of view.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144649/file/267358#t=2064.0,2125.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144649/file/267358/transcript/77276/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 2]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: You talk about the mahamudra experience as one where every event is a form of the teaching, so you can read it that way. Could you talk a little bit-- I mean, once you say that that would be-- well, then, someone who was *in* that, then everything *would* be part of the teaching in the mahamudra way of seeing it. Where does a person's own desires, and his own abilities, and his own unique qualities come in, on the other side of the commitment to mahamudra?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: There's no other side. That his commitment to mahamudra *is* his style of his type. You can't say there is a standardized mahamudra approach, but mahamudra approach is related with the person's own style at the same time. So he expresses his individuality through mahamudra. It's like accomplished artist, whether compose music or painting in his own style, but he has the basic training of music or art already.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Oh I see. So the basic training of the art would be the mahamudra and then his-- the painting that he ends up being a vehicle for making--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: -- it’s his.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It's his. Yeah. Mhmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144649/file/267358#t=2125.0,2234.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144649/file/267358/transcript/77276/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 3]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: Rinpoche, I'm not quite sure-- you have said, mahamudra is the ground. I mean, it seems more as the goal or the fruition. And I don't understand it as ground or...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mahamudra is the ground, because that's the only stepping stones you have. Mahamudra-type approach is the only stepping stones.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: And the phenomenal world [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. It's not future-oriented or goal-oriented. But it is constantly there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144649/file/267358#t=2234.0,2294.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144649/file/267358/transcript/77276/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 4]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: You said, that \"mudra\" can be interpreted as either an experience of shunyata or giving up the samsaric life, and--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Cutting through samsaric net.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Right. What is the difference between cutting through the samaric net and shunyata?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I mean, it very obvious that shunyata is open space, and the samsaric net is the obstruction which creates problem in seeing the proper view of spaciousness of shunyata.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: It has to be cut through in order to get to shunyata?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. And that's the-- what I'm explaining there was actual experience of mahamudra. When you have experience, personal experience, the flashes of mahamudra are twofold: sharp blow and clear, clearness. So it's very dramatic one. Each time there's a cut and then clear.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144649/file/267358#t=2294.0,2390.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144649/file/267358/transcript/77276/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 5]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: I'm confused about the relationship of the thread of commitment and the thread of ambivalence and despair [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Thread of commitment and thread of?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: The thread of ambivalence and hopelessness and despair.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I don't see any problems. Can you elaborate on your question?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: Well you-- I mean, you get freaked out, you know? And what is this all about? And you start to doubt yourself and everything. And you want to get out of the plane, and you get claustrophobic, and...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I think the only thing there is left is to realize those are useless struggle. That you are already taken over, so to speak, by the mahamudra energy. And you can't get out to the airplane.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: [INAUDIBLE WORDS] Does this struggle have some-- is it connected to--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It is connected, somewhat, to realize the uselessness of it. You might struggle. I mean, that might be good idea. But the only thing that why the struggle is necessary is to realize its futile quality of it. Uselessness of it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144649/file/267358#t=2390.0,2522.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144649/file/267358/transcript/77276/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 6]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: In terms of the workable situation in regard to the mystical experience, I came down from retreat in Colorado last month. Twenty-four hours after that I was sitting, and I suddenly had an experience of limitless-- a source of limitless love in myself, for myself, very brief. And I don't see, myself, what is the workable qualities of that. I mean, I don't feel-- I didn't try to hang onto it, but I don't see a step for myself that came out of what was, like, a very, very big thing, a completely inconceivable way of *being*. And yet, I don't recognize something that is a path out of that. Is this a different-- do you see the workabilities [sic] of that? Is there a workability in this situation? Is this what you were talking about? [INAUDIBLE]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I think, that there is always a workable situation. Generally, things seem to be extraordinary in the level of experience, psychological experience. But when you begin to put that into effect, and begin to realize it is very simple to execute. So I mean, there's no general philosophy how to handle it, but one has to do it. One has to act according to it, and put into practice.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: What do you mean? Will this imply to pursue the same conditions, the discipline that led to it? Is this how--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. And then you get either positive or negative response, guidelines. One should begin to put into practice, rather than purely theorizing it. So the whole approach have to be very pragmatic.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: Are you saying, like, to believe, like, this feeling that he had. Like *believe* it, and go from there?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I wouldn't say exactly believe it, but just go ahead and do it. And then whether you should believe or not comes later. So you don't have to set up your own logical philosophy beforehand and approve afterwards. But you have experience and do it, and then that action is the sorting out process.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: Is that related to plunging in and cutting through?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. That is part of the cutting through process. Having cut through, you find the desolation or some kind of discomforting situation actually. That is the first glimpse of shunyata of the twofold mahamudra experiences. But that's necessary.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144649/file/267358#t=2522.0,2735.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144649/file/267358/transcript/77276/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 7]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: Last week, you mentioned that it's possible, by applying tricks or by following path [INAUDIBLE WORDS], to not only get killed but to get killed forever. And this week you mentioned that, once commitment is made to Kagyupa style path, that it's made forever. Is there-- are you saying that there's no danger of that sort once the commitment is made?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, the Kagyupa style of commitment is very definite one. That the-- your approach and your style has been constantly watched. So there is a constant minding your business is happening from the move of the teacher, and from the, also, the level of student as well at same time. Whereas if you are employed, so to speak, freelance style, of any other tantra, then obviously you're going to get hurt, because you don't have a boss to keep eye on you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144649/file/267358#t=2735.0,2827.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144649/file/267358/transcript/77276/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 8]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: Can you describe the maha ati equivalent of this mahamudra experience of exposure into the nonexistent?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think, that's the other step, the other approach of mahamudra is the emptiness wisdom, which is called that, \"the wisdom born together with the ignorant,\" \"the primordial wisdom.\" Whenever there was dualistic split, that wisdom is there already. So that wisdom has its exposure to confusion at the same time, understanding of confusion the same time.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: But is that a basic difference between Kagyu and Nyingma views of things?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [laughs]I don't think so.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: Well isn't the, like, maha ati the Nyingmapa sort of version--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: -- of mahamudra?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, a much higher one. Not exactly version, but mahamudra experience have to go through maha ati finally. So we could say this point Nyingmapa's approach is much higher tantra, and the mahamudra is lower tantra.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144649/file/267358#t=2827.0,2917.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144649/file/267358/transcript/77276/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 9]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: Rinpoche, having-- it seems that you've been talking about the positive aspects of lineage [INAUDIBLE]. Talking with somebody this afternoon, it came up, like, what happens-- I mean, if it's transmitted through the lineage, what happens if the lineage isn't transmitted? Does the whole thing just, you know, die then? Does it become institutionalized? But isn't that kind of a difficult way to transmit things also? Is that the only, you know, the only way that the teachings [INAUDIBLE WORDS]--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I think if the lineage is not transmitted properly or completely, then there is a lot of destruction and a lot of chaos to the students. It is conceivable in the future that the transmission of lineage doesn't take place properly. And if emphasis purely made on administration organization alone, it lose its dignity and strength, inspiration. And then it could turn into just purely another business corporation. So any teachings without heart, without real feeling, with any organization might keep the name and politics or the language of it, but still it becomes a shell and very dangerous one as well.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: But, if it weren't transmitted for one generation, could it be kept alive and then could it be sort of rediscovered by somebody? I mean, the heart of it rediscovered?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I don't think so. It's never known that way. It's very definite one.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144649/file/267358#t=2917.0,3069.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144649/file/267358/transcript/77276/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 10]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: You explained, Rinpoche, how Marpa was very earthy person, and he, say, drank a beer, from barley and things like that. I’d like to have you maybe explain a little bit how you feel about wine or beer or mind-expanding drugs. What they have to do with realization?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I don't think it has anything to do with realization, particularly, but it's how you can transmute your pleasurable indulgence in your life. Whether you can use them as part of the technique, part of the teaching, whether you are unable to do it. That has nothing to do with the particular drugs or food alone, but also sexual experiences as well. That anything that is supposedly pleasurable are workable. But at the same time, you have to have a definite sanity to begin with, definite sane approach to begin with. Otherwise, the whole thing becomes purely weakening yourself, giving yourself into samsaric whirlpool, whatever.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: So, then, it's not a matter of abstaining from certain things. It's a matter of say, moderation or...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Not even necessarily moderation, which is also suggest that you have to develop certain systems. But the moderation comes from level of your sanity. Or maybe complete abstinence, or complete indulgence. Depends on a person's state of being. [laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144649/file/267358#t=3069.0,3216.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144649/file/267358/transcript/77276/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 11]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: If a path style is a sadhu-like style like Milarepa or householder-like style like Marpa, is the path style dictated in some way, do you think, by the kind of samsara that the person finds more easy to cut through, to deal with, cut through?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, it depends on how much-- what is your style. Yeah. Definitely.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144649/file/267358#t=3216.0,3261.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144649/file/267358/transcript/77276/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 12]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: [UNCLEAR: We? You?] were just talking more about either complete abstinence or complete indulgence depending upon individual person you are. How do you know...? [laughter] Sometimes it appears that to indulge or to go the hilt in samsaric matters, like getting drunk and sexual experience, is a way of working out your own individual karma. It's a way of seeing yourself clearer and of going deeper into your own self in relation to the outside. But how do you know that this isn't a total deception? That this isn't Mara's disguise? How do you know that you're not just really throwing yourself right into some sort of hell by your actions, or whether you're really working on some karma?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, as long as you're aware of there is that danger, and also as long as you realize there's that merit, then it is up to individuals. And of course, that if one is belongs to a certain lineage, that there is also the message of from the lineage teacher, whatever. If you're getting too extreme, somebody will remind you that's happening to you.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: That's why you spoke yesterday that one needs a teacher in order to make real life experiences a teaching--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: And you don't think that that can be cultivated on one's own?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I don't think so, and it's never been done.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: That's the [INAUDIBLE]?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It's never been done, and I can't really imagine.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144649/file/267358#t=3261.0,3379.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144649/file/267358/transcript/77276/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 13]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: Rinpoche, you spoke the other day about escape [INAUDIBLE] or unable to read the signs, of when signs are given to you, messages that [INAUDIBLE]. What is the way of preparing yourself so that you're able to read the signs? [INAUDIBLE] What [laughter]--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think it-- I suppose you could say the only way of preparing yourself is that one has to have some sense of understanding basic mahamudra thing of cutting, and willing to experience the aloneness, loneliness. And that seem to preparation of mahamudra experience. And that seem to be the only thing that recommended in the tantric books of mahamudra.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144649/file/267358#t=3379.0,3447.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144649/file/267358/transcript/77276/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 14]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER16: It seems like Marpa's life is more usable than-- in the twentieth century than any other member of the lineage, even more than Milarepa. Since he was a owner of land and since most people in the twentieth century are householders, it seems so.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think that's highly possible, but we mustn't exclude the other possibilities of there are certain people who just purely have a different style. Like Milarepa's experience that he is complete disaster with his family; there's no point in going back and trying to set up the whole thing again purely to the sake of trying to imitate Marpa. So there is that possibilities in us as well. But predominantly, Marpa's approach is very close to us, naturally, yeah. I think so.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144649/file/267358#t=3447.0,3515.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144649/file/267358/transcript/77276/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 15]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER17: Rinpoche, could you clarify the difference between the Rinzai Zen view of emptiness, which you said was sort of aesthetic, and the less artsy mahamudra emptiness?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, not the Rinzai alone, but it's Zen tradition in general, as matter of fact. Is very artistic approach to enlightenment.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER17: You mean the forms? The ceremonies? The techniques?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No, the experiences are also very poetry-- poetic. That as experience have accomplished the Zen students have developed appreciation of stones, driftwoods, rice papers or whatever you have. [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER17: But it seems to be able to appreciate all of life as a teaching experience, you have to-- has to be in some way aesthetic?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Too true.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER17: And that's mahamudra's--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Not quite. And mahamudra has nothing to do with aesthetic, but, although, at the same time, doesn't mean to say that whole thing should be very clumsy and ugly. [laughter] But mahamudra's approach to-- mahamudra's version of aesthetic approach is very simple and direct, without making too much emphasis on the artistic qualities of it. You can imagine a Zen master appreciating a piece of pebble and conversing with a-- with the mahamudra yogi. And you could expound the whole teachings of Buddha on this little pebble. And the mahamudra yogi would say, after the whole conversation is completed, he would say, \"So what?\" And he would say, \"This is not new. It has been said already. It is already there.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144649/file/267358#t=3515.0,3680.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144649/file/267358/transcript/77276/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 16]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER18: Rinpoche, could [INAUDIBLE WORDS] [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It used to be called a train in the mahayana bodhisattva level. [laughter] But, in terms of vajrayana level, it happens to be a supersonic… [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER18: Yeah, but we’re all on that train. What did you do to get out of it? [INAUDIBLE] sort of-- [laughter] where was the turning point [INAUDIBLE]?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: None, except suicide.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER19: He said what?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER18: Just figure it out.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Jump out. Which means you are destroy your other passengers as well.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER18: No, but how do we begin? I mean how do we get there?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I don't think that's the problem. [laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144649/file/267358#t=3680.0,3738.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144649/file/267358/transcript/77276/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 17]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER20: Rinpoche, when you speak of \"cutting through,\" are you referring to that in the sense of cutting through habitual personal habitual psychology? Or is there... I don't really completely understand what you mean by that.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Cutting through the webs that we weave. Habitual patterns, and security, wishful thinkings, hopes, and everything. 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