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Participants are Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, Harvey Cox, John Maraldo, and Joshua Heckelman, with David Rome as moderator. Panelists represent Christian, Jewish, and Buddhist traditions. The opening question, ÒWhat is religion, and what is its function in a personÕs life?Ó leads to discussion of the interaction between religion and culture. Trungpa Rinpoche notes the Buddhist approach as being a personal journey more than a cultural experience, prefers to use word ÒspiritualityÓ rather than Òreligion.Ó Topics also include the history of Christianity arising from Judaism, and Buddhism arising from Hinduism; tension between the rigidity of established religion and the flexibility necessary to maintain involvement of practitioners; psychotherapy and Buddhism; suffering and the notion of celebration; the significance of poets in the history of Buddhism coming to America; interplay between individual contemplation and living in the world; and the effect of Buddhist practice deepening appreciation among Jews and Christians of their own religion.\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication"]},"value":{"en":["UNPUBLISHED"]}},{"label":{"en":["Transcription Credits"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eMay 30 2022 to Oct 12 2022 Transcribing: Jessyca Goldstein Checking: Ruth Veleta Final Proof: Ruth Veleta Other Contributors: Lynn Friedman, Warner Dick\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["© Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved. Not to be Distributed or Reproduced. Used by permission of Naropa University Library and Archives."]}},{"label":{"en":["Year"]},"value":{"en":["1975"]}}],"summary":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eThis panel discussion took place in 1975 as part of the Open Secret radio program at Naropa Institute. Participants are Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, Harvey Cox, John Maraldo, and Joshua Heckelman, with David Rome as moderator. Panelists represent Christian, Jewish, and Buddhist traditions. The opening question, \u0026Ograve;What is religion, and what is its function in a person\u0026Otilde;s life?\u0026Oacute; leads to discussion of the interaction between religion and culture. Trungpa Rinpoche notes the Buddhist approach as being a personal journey more than a cultural experience, prefers to use word \u0026Ograve;spirituality\u0026Oacute; rather than \u0026Ograve;religion.\u0026Oacute; Topics also include the history of Christianity arising from Judaism, and Buddhism arising from Hinduism; tension between the rigidity of established religion and the flexibility necessary to maintain involvement of practitioners; psychotherapy and Buddhism; suffering and the notion of celebration; the significance of poets in the history of Buddhism coming to America; interplay between individual contemplation and living in the world; and the effect of Buddhist practice deepening appreciation among Jews and Christians of their own religion.\u003c/p\u003e"]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["© Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved. Not to be Distributed or Reproduced. Used by permission of Naropa University Library and Archives."]}},"provider":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["Chogyam Trungpa Digital Library"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["Chogyam Trungpa Digital Library"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/209/original/cti-library-logo-blue-text.png?1672724952","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/168/935/small/Logo-Audio-Red.png?1666574568","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 1 - 19750000VCTR2-Audio-Prod-CTIAutoRmstr-Access.mp3"]},"duration":5550.21056,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/168/935/small/Logo-Audio-Red.png?1666574568","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/content/1/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-cti.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/168/935/original/19750000VCTR2-Audio-Prod-CTIAutoRmstr-Access.mp3?1666574547","type":"Audio","format":"audio/mpeg","duration":5550.21056,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40568","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["19750000VCTR2-Transcript-Timed [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40568/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[19750000VCTR2 - Naropa Institute - Open Secret - On Religion]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]\r\n\r\n\r\nCTI SLATE: This is the Venerable Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, panel discussion in the Open Secret series, on the topic of religion, moderated by David Rome. The recording was made in the summer of 1975, though the precise date is unknown. This is a CTI auto-remaster made May 2022.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935#t=0.0,26.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40568/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: INTRODUCTION]\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: ...is to ask each of you to give a brief introduction to yourselves, for two reasons -- one, so that our listeners can right off get a sense of who you are and connect your names with your voices, but also since our topic is religion, so that each of you can try to place yourselves within the tradition that you come from. I don't think this necessarily means that all evening we'll be speaking strictly as exponents to those traditions, but that it is important to have some feeling for that. And also perhaps we could all mention what we're doing here this summer at Naropa Institute. John, would you like to begin?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935#t=26.0,72.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40568/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"JOHN MARALDO: Hi, I'm John Maraldo. I grew up in Wyoming and through various stages moved from there to Tokyo, Japan, where I spent three years working, living, and studying Zen Buddhism. And then I've come here this summer to teach something about the Zen tradition and Japanese Buddhism, and also to learn something about all the other things that are going on in Naropa.\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: Joshua.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935#t=72.0,103.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40568/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"JOSH HECKELMAN: My name is Josh Heckelman. I've been a student for a while, I'm still a student, I've been studying with Rabbi Zalman Schachter in Canada for the last two years. And I'm the son of a rabbi and myself practice Judaism. At the same time, I am something of a student of the Eastern traditions and have been-- begun studying Buddhism and the practice of meditation.\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: Thank you. Harvey Cox.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935#t=103.0,137.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40568/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"HARVEY COX: My name is Harvey Cox and I normally teach at the Divinity School at Harvard University. I'm at Naropa teaching a workshop on the teachings of Jesus, and taking some courses in history of Buddhism, especially a marvelous course in the history of tantric art. So I'm here to teach and to learn.\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: Trungpa Rinpoche.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935#t=137.0,166.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40568/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: My name is Chogyam Trungpa, and I came from Tibet and settled in this country, and working with students and basically in the Buddhist meditation practice, but at the same time also I'm very involved and directing the Naropa Institute.\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: More specifically, the founder and director of Naropa Institute.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935#t=166.0,204.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40568/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 1]\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: And so, we have a very broad topic in front of us tonight, and why not start out with a very broad kind of question; I have no doubt we'll manage to get down to brass tacks later on. What anyhow is religion? Or what is supposed to be its function in anybody's life? And I think I might ask each of you to, for this first question at least, to try to speak as an exponent of the particular tradition you're basically working within. And we can talk about what ideally a religious or spiritual practice should be, and also what in fact it tends to be -- or what it tends to be these days in America.\r\n\r\n\r\nSo, would somebody like to jump in here? [Laughter] Harvey?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935#t=204.0,278.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40568/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"HARVEY COX: I'm always a little uncomfortable with the word \"tradition\" because traditions can become overly elaborated and really excrescences as well as growths. So I would not like to try to be an exponent of whatever might be called the Christian tradition. So let me back off a little and say that certainly from the-- from a biblical perspective, religion is a-- can be a great danger. A source of some kind of \"binding together\", I think that's what the word actually means, the latin root of \"religio\" means \"that which binds into a whole.\" But as it's-- certainly the way it's functioned historically, religion has been divisive, it's been something that's kept people ignorant, immature, dependent, so that certainly one should be equally critical as well as appreciative of any-- at least I'd like to be critical as well as appreciative of anything called \"religion.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935#t=278.0,363.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40568/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"JOSH HECKELMAN: The question as I heard it sort of spoke to a situation that's a nuance, certainly for Judaism, the situation of looking at religion and saying, \"What is it for?\" The situation-- you know, the traditional situation of the Jew was to find himself right in the middle, right in the lap of a life situation, a part of which would be religion, a part of which would be a tradition of which would be almost synonymous with what the culture in which one lives. And one would be relating to that which brings around, that which joins up, that which makes for a whole through the language of that tradition and of that culture. But the situation of having a choice of saying to oneself, \"What is religion for and where do I get some?\" is certainly for a Jew a very new situation and a very challenging one certainly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935#t=363.0,445.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40568/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"JOHN MARALDO: Yeah, I'd like to pick up on the idea that religion has served to be very divisive. And actually even posing the question, \"What is the function of religion?\" somehow posits religion as a separate category or something that we're engaged in on Saturday or Sunday, something that we were born into, grew up in, and gradually learned to criticize and separate ourselves from. But I think what we want to say religion points to is something that is always there, and it is so infused with our ordinary life that we can't consider it a separate reality. This is at least the way that I would like to approach the question.\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: Mhmm. Rinpoche?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935#t=445.0,507.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40568/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, the interesting point that raised by Professor Cox was tradition. It's interesting problem -- whether religion is tradition or tradition is religion. There a lot of problems that whether religion becomes a part of a culture or setup of some kind, and there is always same kind of problem and socially excepted norm -- certain dietary or certain particular habit and certain particular days of the week that you do this, you don't do this, which become also very broad in a sense. That also that has lot of influence to the commerce, business world, and that is also a lot of influence to social setup, and economy, and relationships with the elders to their children, or all kinds of things happens. But according to the Buddhist format, so to speak, as Buddha was born in the Hindu environment, that he had a Hindu upbringing basically, which is similar to that of Judaism in some sense, which is very laid-down disciplines and situations of that nature. But Buddha is somewhat, if I may say, similar to Christ from that point of view, that he is a product of Hinduism in some sense, and out of that he developed a different kind of approach -- that religion should become simply free from any culture and simply a personal journey.\r\n\r\n\r\nThere's another question about religion, the term \"religion.\" It could be a very heavy-handed one and obligatory one. And I prefer to use word \"spirituality\", basically speaking, that it is a way of life nevertheless, but it's not cultural particularly, and it is a broader journey, a journey-- personal journey from that point of view.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935#t=507.0,673.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40568/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 2]\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: Mhmm. Well I wonder if that, you know, is a universal definition of religion or if that really is a difference between what you might call the \"father religions\" in the sense of Judaism and Hinduism being somehow, at least within our rememberable history, the original religions, and then the offspring religions of Christianity and Buddhism rising out of them, and that question of how-- to what degree religion is culturally defined. I imagine a Jew might say that it is very highly so.\r\n\r\n\r\nJOSH HECKELMAN: Yeah, sure. It's a culture, it's a-- it's really, I think the Jewish people see ourselves as a particular kind of vehicle in the sense of a race of people making a certain journey.\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: Right.\r\n\r\n\r\nJOSH HECKELMAN: And there is-- yet there is a sense that there are-- there's a certain contact with God, with the ultimate that is kept in clarity in such a tradition, that might perhaps be lost in a more general and more outgoing, aggressive kind of approach.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935#t=673.0,760.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40568/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 3]\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: Mhmm. Well, that's not necessarily-- I mean, do you find Buddhism to be an aggressive tradition particularly?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Absolutely not. I think it seem to be the opposite, you know, that although there's a caste system that exist in India when the Hindu becomes Buddhist, that untouchable caste could become abbot at the time, you know teacher, that he can bless the Brahmans and he can give a preachers, you know, sermons to the Brahmans. And so there must be some kind of social discomfort at the time, but somehow it didn't really manifested in a violent form. And that I think in one sense that Buddhism is-- has very interesting characteristics, is that basically unorganized religion. And it is not organized in fullest degree, so everything is left up to individuals to develop. So the-- lot of individuals put together and we decided to call it a \"sangha\", \"the community of practitioners.\" And general approach is very peaceful, and sort of take one step back and then see it, see clearly, and then maybe you take another step forward and do it. That's kind of general approach.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935#t=760.0,867.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40568/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 4]\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: Mhmm. Well, what about Christianity here? I think there's two different distinctions. One is between traditions that are culturally defined and that's essential to them, and others which aren't necessarily. And then another distinction between those which are missionary in nature and take the saving of souls, or however they express it, as an extremely important part of their work, which I imagine of the traditions we have represented here that that would be most the case with Christianity or with mainstream Western Christianity.\r\n\r\n\r\nHARVEY COX: Yeah, well the whole question about the relationship between Christianity and various cultures in the world is one that's interested me, and I-- the variety is staggering of course. I mean you can think of people over in-- the place where Christianity is growing fastest for example, now, is Africa. In fact, there's some predictions that by 2000 AD, Africa will be the center of Christendom, with a very different kind of Christianity than we've learned in the West, because the African-- the new African churches want nothing to do with the history of Greek philosophy, in which the whole Western theological tradition has been formed. They're drumming, they have chiefs, they're dancing, they're trying to incorporate African culture. And I think that's really marvelous. I mean I think one should distinguish as, from my point of view, one should distinguish as carefully as possible between the core message and the cultural package or the cultural incrustation or the cultural development. I think that is a difference between Christianity and Judaism, which-- Judaism has not wanted to be, as I understand it, a universal religion for everybody. It's a particular approach.\r\n\r\n\r\nUnfortunately, Christianity has become identified very heavily with Western culture because of the circumstances of historical development. I think what we're seeing now is the de-Westernization of this particular-- in our time. And it's interesting to me now that we have Buddhism in America, so that in a sense Buddhism is now struggling with the problem of how to accommodate itself to Western categories of thought, and Western words, and Western concepts, but the same thing has always gone on as religions have moved from milieu to milieu, any religious tradition.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935#t=867.0,1033.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40568/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 5]\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: Right, well perhaps let's, you know, come to the other extreme for a moment, away from tradition and Africa, and as you were suggesting back to America and the contemporary. And let me somewhat repeat my original question, but more if possible in terms of a positive statement of what a given individual living in America today can make of having some kind of spiritual involvement or specifically, the term that's used in Buddhism a lot, a \"practice\", in terms of a spiritual path or religion.\r\n\r\n\r\nJOHN MARALDO: Well I think that one thing that I have come to learn -- which perhaps was always there to be learned in the American environment but which I happen to have learned in Japan -- is that life really is something to be practiced. It's a task, it comes down to everyday ordinary matters of common problems and how we deal with those. This is on a very personal level.\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: Yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nJOHN MARALDO: On the other hand, the forms that this kind of practice takes, the disciplines that people take up, are very highly conditioned by their culture, and they have to be because there's-- I mean if we-- it's really impossible to distinguish, I think, ultimately between religion as a personal journey and as a cultural formation, simply because people grow up in cultures. Some disciplines work for people in some cultures which cannot be simply transported to another culture. I-- for example, in Japan, in contrast to America, people are not nearly as-- they don't focus so much on individuality; their allegiance is first of all to a family, traditionally to a clan, and also to a nation. Whereas I find Americans highly individualist people. And I think that when Buddhism comes to America it will have to or it perhaps automatically comes to accommodate itself to the form of individuality that is found in the States.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935#t=1033.0,1189.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40568/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DAVID ROME: Yes, but why should they bother at all to be Buddhists? Why not just be good culturally American bankers and bakers and candlestick makers?\r\n\r\n\r\nJOHN MARALDO: There is absolutely no reason why ordinary bankers and candlestick makers can't practice a Buddhist way of life--\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: But why should they--\r\n\r\n\r\nJOHN MARALDO: --anymore than they could-- can't practice Christian or Jewish way of life.\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: What I'm asking is what could practicing Buddhism add to just being a good banker, or whatever?\r\n\r\n\r\nJOHN MARALDO: Doesn't add anything.\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: Doesn't add anything.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935#t=1189.0,1221.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40568/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 6]\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: Well, Rinpoche you're a Buddhist, too. Do you have anything to add to \"it's not adding anything\"?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. Well I think I must say it does add something, but probably the question of sort of reviewing the structure that exist. A lot of cases that we find in any culture, any country, that the people function themselves in the framework of a borrowed idea from generations of generations of past history, that some would come to conclusion, therefore you do it. In Jewish tradition it's called \"kosher.\" [Laughter] And it's *done*, so therefore you know one should you do it.\r\n\r\n\r\nBut I think the contribution that Buddhism can make to the point, if I may be so blunt as to say that, you know, good banker could become a better banker becoming a Buddhist, and there is some point to that. I'm sure that all the traditions have that kind of further reserved energy and insight. And from Buddhist point of view that it is a question of individual journey definitely. Individual journey is such that you question who you are, what you are, your inheritance, your background and everything is questioned. So finally you come up in the quest-- asking questions yourself that your preconceptions -- are they valid, what you learned to be taught, are they valid, or is it-- does it make any sense?\r\n\r\n\r\nSo I think there's need for, from a pragmatic point of view, there's a lot of need for making things into up-to-date. And the only way to keep things up-to-date and more in contact with the reality of the given situation is to free from conceptions, so that the bankers have their particular shift of their attitude, or the candlestick makers, or whoever they are. That they have a different approach is taken, so that they are not so completely bounded by borrowed ideas of the past alone. That doesn't necessarily mean to say that the people should become all the time revolutionaries and trying to destroy past particularly, but they have some hints was given from the past, but at the same time, presently, people can benefit a great deal by stripping off the preconceptions, that precisely the practice of meditation does. So, from that point of view that Buddhism can change the whole outlook, economy, and everything, social setup.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935#t=1221.0,1403.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40568/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 7]\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: Mhmm. Well that presents an interesting question in terms of the-- those traditions or religions which already are established in Western culture, which is that it seems that many, particularly younger people, are turning to Eastern traditions precisely because they haven't made a strong relationship with the existing Western traditions. And they feel there's something, somehow no longer alive in those traditions. And when you said, Rinpoche, that one needn't necessarily be revolutionary in terms of having to find the new tradition, but what about the existing traditions? What is it that makes them alive, and is it fair to accuse some of them of not being alive enough to really fulfill the role that one expects of having a spiritual practice?\r\n\r\n\r\nHARVEY COX: Well I think that's true of Christianity in America, that it's become so interwoven with American values, and American attitudes, and American precepts. We have a civil religion in America in which the major function of the Bible is that the President puts his hand on it when he gives his oath of office -- and we know where that leads. [Laughter] So that I welcome the presence in America of alternate religious traditions. When I was a kid there were no alternate traditions. If you're going to be religious, you're going to be a Christian or you're going to be nothing. Now there are alternatives and I think that's a-- that forces people now to make choices.\r\n\r\n\r\nIt used to be that you could grow up and be what your parents were and your grandparents were because you never-- you didn't know anything different. Nothing ever came into your environment to suggest that there might be a difference. Not true of Jews, by the way, I'm talking-- I'm speaking now as a North American Christian. But now there's a panoply of choices to be made, and therefore you've got to look as an individual person at these alternatives. And I think it's true that the, for me at least, the most attractive and most valuable aspect of the Buddhist tradition is that it has a practice, which anybody can start.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935#t=1403.0,1555.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40568/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 8]\r\n\r\n\r\nHARVEY COX: I want to sort of test this out on my fellow panel members. We're talking about religion here today, but I keep having the hunch that the real confrontation in North America for the presence of Buddhism is not going to be so much with religion, with Christianity -- it's going to be with psychotherapy. I have a feeling psychotherapy as we've known it is really finished when people learn how to meditate -- a lot of psychotherapy, a lot-- and that's going to put a lot of people out of business. And I just wondered whether Rinpoche's thought about that. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: I suspect he has. [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935#t=1555.0,1598.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40568/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I think, yeah, that's sort of interesting... [laughter] kind of a discursive thought, shall we say. The psychology world, in this country particularly and the rest of the Western world, have become responsible in bringing Buddhism many cases great deal, but at the same time that they have purely studied from their theoretical point of view, and there had been very little time or space-- space or situation where actually living Buddhist practice has been done. And now that living Buddhist practice is slowly introduced into the continent and Western Europe, so there is possibility that particularly the games or manipulations that the therapeutic analytic trips, so to speak, been laid on people going to be cut through, definitely. And particularly that seem to be main emphasis on Buddhism is to work on way you are now, rather than blaming your past. So if anybody's going to get any directions for their journey is starting from where you are, rather than that already you had a bad case history in your past, you had a bad mother, bad father, so you are trapped and you have to do something more about it. So somehow things doesn't work that way. So I think you are quite right and we going to put a lot of people out of business.\r\n\r\n\r\nHARVEY COX: Good.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935#t=1598.0,1723.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40568/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 9]\r\n\r\n\r\nJOSH HECKELMAN: I'd like to back to what Harvey was saying about choices, if I may, because it-- as you were talking it struck me the metaphor would be pretty much opposite in the way I experience Judaism at this point. It's as if we've had to make choices up until now, and we're beginning to come to the point where we discover that there are no more choices to be made, which in a sense is a very Buddhist move. That there-- for the past few hundred years the big struggle is between Judaism and rationalism, Judaism and science, religion and science, Judaism and science, and that's been a struggle, you know. Well we know there's some reality to the spiritual thing and yet there seems to be some reality to this scientific thing, and this-- they don't seem to go.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935#t=1723.0,1771.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40568/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In the journey of my own life, I think for many years I was very hung up on the question of God: who is God? I sense there's something right about the way Judaism is pointing-- is pointing me, and yet we have this concept of God and it seems sort of a block. There's God, there's Jews; what's a Jew, what's God? And what's happening for myself and I think for some people, especially some young people in Judaism, coming in contact after-- very often after a period of practice in an Eastern discipline, is a beginning of a re-reading of the language of Judaism. That Judaism has always worked and played with language, that's a lot of what it's about, and the base language, the base definitions are always very cultural and very materialistic seeming. There's Jew, there's God, there's Torah, there are these things we don't seem to be able to penetrate. And then as you get further into studying it, you discover the name \"Israel\" comes from Jacob after wrestling with God, what it means is \"God wrestler.\" The name \"Hebrew\" means \"to pass\", \"to pass through\", \"to transcend\", \"those who are working on transcending.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935#t=1771.0,1847.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40568/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And there's always been an interplay in Judaism between mystical interpretation, which in a sense is univers-- not in a sense, which *is* universalist interpretation -- that the unity-- that this is the path to the realization of unity and a kind of down-to-earth practice of Judaism. And the attitude of Judaism has always been, \"Don't mess up the earth plane stuff. Do the earth plane practices, both the ethical ones and the ritual ones.\" And if you do that then you have room to contain all of this mystical dimension, all this very personal, very spiritual dimension.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935#t=1847.0,1884.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40568/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so what's happening, I think for at least some young Jewish people at this point, is clearing themselves, in some way, taking a vacation from some of the neurotic habits of Jews, not necessarily of Judaism, but of Judaism as it does manifest, coming back to Judaism and reading it mystically, reading it kabbalistically, and finding a very beautiful, very powerful tradition in that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935#t=1884.0,1912.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40568/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 10]\r\n\r\n\r\nJOHN MARALDO: Josh, how does this relate to psychotherapy? Would you see Judaism as a therapeutic path, and does modern psychology, is that an accessible language to use in understanding the Judaic tradition? As it seems to be in the case of Buddhism, at least in this country. I mean Buddhism has entered, it seems America, through the language of psychology, and I know at least that that's the way that it first made sense for me.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935#t=1912.0,1944.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40568/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"JOSH HECKELMAN: I think there's a way in which it *doesn't* work that way, and that is the orientation of Buddhism is working with negativity, working with suffering; suffering is very central, working with suffering. Judaism starts from a base-- in a sense starts from the assumption that you've done that already, that that's not the problem you're working with, and it's now perhaps more comparable to later stages in Buddhism, to the mahayana and the tantric tradition in Buddhism where you're working much more with how do you live it, how do you live that celebration, how do you live the imminence in your daily life. And I think that that's a problem perhaps Judaism continues to have, or a function Buddhism might serve Judaism, is in providing that base of that basic cleaning-out-the-garbage, you know, getting to a level in which you can be real and be in the present.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935#t=1944.0,1998.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40568/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: We had a lot of Jewish students, at least the born Jewish students, who are studying Buddhism, and it seems that they able to tune into the suffering aspect [laughter] very easily. It's not only Judaism or Jewish people alone, but rest of America, that obviously somebody wants to come into situation and they feel they be troubled, which is pain. And from there, seem to be there a lot of working basis is taking place. And I think one of the problems of teaching Buddhism as far as I'm concerned this point is that we face that American audience, so to speak, is the celebration part, which is extremely tricky. That you could go out of your mind and you could actually introduce another sense of neurosis that-- or some kind of egomaniac situation. That seem to be the most difficult situation that even the older students of mine who been working with me about five years now, still they have difficulty in a sort of letting-go aspect. And there is a discipline aspect which still remains as kind of binding factor.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935#t=1998.0,2103.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40568/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 11]\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: Well I think that's a critical point, and perhaps just to re-emphasize it in relation to what Josh was saying and you're saying now, Rinpoche. I mean what is the proper place to begin, in terms of the average American who has pretty much lost any vital link to a religion or religious practice? Does he begin by finding some fantastic, mystical, far-out or transcendent occupation that he could throw himself into, or is there a stage before that? And I think particularly in terms of presenting ourselves to a larger American audience that that's an extremely important issue.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935#t=2103.0,2153.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40568/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"JOHN MARALDO: I'd like to amplify that question with--\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: Sure.\r\n\r\n\r\nJOHN MARALDO: --a further one, which is if-- it has to do with basing our teaching or approach or own practice on the experience of suffering, what then you know does-- what is the importance of joy and celebration, as the other people here see it? What is its function in teaching us?\r\n\r\n\r\nHARVEY COX: I think it's very important. And my own reading of Americans is that they simply cannot celebrate. [Laughter] They can be frenetic, they can get drunk, they can have-- they can try until they break their necks to celebrate, but the-- but celebration as the unaffected affirmation of this moment, its goodness, its worthwhileness, is very hard for most Americans to do, almost impossible. So that they-- if one can really celebrate a particular-- really affirm completely a particular moment, that's a marvelous breakthrough in life. That's very hard to do in America because we tend to be so utilitarian. When we have fun, we're having fun so we can make money on Monday, we engage in sports to build our muscles, we go to parties to relax ourselves so that we can-- so we can do something later. So the idea of actually being fully present in a completely un-utilitarian celebration is very hard, very hard to do. And--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935#t=2153.0,2256.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40568/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"JOHN MARALDO: Do you see that sense of celebration being re-captivated by a lot of the new Christian movements, the charismatic movements, Pentecostal movements? Is there--\r\n\r\n\r\nHARVEY COX: Yeah, I think--\r\n\r\n\r\nJOHN MARALDO: I mean do you see this kind of resurgence going on in this country?\r\n\r\n\r\nHARVEY COX: Yeah, I think there is something of that. I think also that meditation helps you do that, because all you have is what's happening right now, it's the only thing you can possibly-- I mean we find all kinds of ways of avoid dealing with that, at least I do in meditation. But still, this coming back to what is going on, which is breath coming in and out of my body, is pretty-- is a good beginning for a celebration.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935#t=2256.0,2296.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40568/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 12]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well if I may interject something there. According to Buddhist way of celebrating, it's not so much of, I suppose that's the one of the fundamental problems is that so much of that we been saved, finally we be relieved from the imprisonment or the pressure. But celebration does not necessarily mean having a spiritual wild party or extend on that kind of metaphor. But celebration brings-- begins from the situation of having some kind of sense of humor to begin with. You know, that doesn't mean to say you're laughing at yourself because everything is so funny and frivolous, but at the same time you are not taking seriously, but sense of humor is very subtle one that slowly begins from that area. And so once person begin to see the humorous aspect and the genuine, inquisitive mind which begin to pay attention to day-to-day living situations that takes place, and nothing is hassle all the time necessarily, but things are worth observing, worth watching.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935#t=2296.0,2380.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40568/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And there is another kind of situation that Buddhism has brought into this country is the poetry. That the poets had done a lot of ground work, best of their ability of course, to Buddhism, and I think they have some kind of-- they clicked into that possible situation, somewhat. But at the same time in the meantime that they have their own life situation, their problems exist so they have to write the poetries about the war in Vietnam, and they have to write poetries about something else, and they finally come back to Buddhism is kind of sort of mediocre, good way of releasing energy, which is turn out to be that way this point, but that doesn't have to be that way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935#t=2380.0,2446.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40568/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So I think there's lots of room for poetics awareness in this country as well as psychology awareness that we discussed early on. Which tend to bring a sense of you know humor, and humor is the beginning of celebration. It's-- celebration doesn't have to be particularly as I said you know big party, but you know it's appreciation as same as like the haiku poems. That you know the little things that be described, which are completely mundane and ordinary but still, they're a lot of joy, they're lot of beauty, at the same time a lot of seriousness involved. You know a lot of those lines, I think that's kind of, I would say like haiku is some kind of expression of Buddhist humor and in some sense, and we have to pay tribute to our poet friends in the past and present, future, which also had lot of to do with bringing Buddhism into this country at the same time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935#t=2446.0,2523.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40568/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 13]\r\n\r\n\r\nJOSH HECKELMAN: The question of suffering and celebration, as I've been listening a few things have been clicking in my own head in terms of Judaism. One of them is that a problem in America, a problem that I've experienced in America as a Jew, is the definition, the designation of myself as a Jew has been, \"Well I am a Jew, but like I'm not necessarily a Jew,\" has been that kind of openness of America making that perspective possible. And when Rinpoche mentioned before, well there certainly is something in Judaism at least culturally about suffering, you know that's certainly true. Everybody's you know familiar, the \"oy, oy, oy,\" and that's never been integrated into the religion, but has been part of the religion in being in a position of pere-- if not constantly at least perennially being persecuted, being in a great deal of suffering, being an outsider in a culture certainly. And in coming to America in which everybody is relatively outsiders, everybody's an immigrant, the Indians are more outside than we Europeans, so certainly everybody is an outsider, and in which suffering is no longer part of a religious mission -- we're no longer taking on the brunt of the aggressive energies of Europe or of North Africa, we're in a culture in which we're doing very well, in which we're fully a part of the culture and the civilization.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935#t=2523.0,2615.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40568/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And along with that comes a kind of question, well, so what does this mean \"Jew\", what does this mean \"God\"? And the definitions begin to fall apart. One thing we mentioned before was about the far-out-ness of a religious approach that's concerned with getting high. And I really find in Judaism not-- I find very much a grounding in the sense of a bringing of constant relating to God in day-to-day life and not necessarily an emphasis on the high in that way, in the way that so much that's routine, so much of business transactions of making blessings on daily functions. It's very much a work-space religion. At the same time, there is this fantastic vocabulary of celebration, this fantastic cycle of holidays in Judaism which really deal with a lot of aspects of the personality, really go through just a kind of variety, a liturgical richness which-- well I haven't studied Hinduism that much, certainly in Christianity and Buddhism I haven't seen that kind of resource. And that this is something very wonderful and that maybe perhaps at this point in which there's some exchange between religions might be of some value to those who are not Jews. At the same time there is a necessity, you know, that's something perhaps we have to give at the same time something we have to take is a realistic way of working with identity and working with suffering. And as I've seen so far that's something that might be learned from Buddhism.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935#t=2615.0,2717.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40568/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 14]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I think a sense of celebration is only one-side-- it is not only one-sidedness of celebration particularly. When you celebrate something, you have something to celebrate with, that is usually and sweet and sour at the same time. So there is-- like if you watch those color charts that you get from printers, that the pure blue is not really pure blue, it's made out of a portion of white, and a portion of this and a portion of that. So celebration needs both sweet and sour to celebrate with. There had to be gut-level celebration as well as there is a celebrational [sic] aspect at the same time. So--\r\n\r\n\r\n[GAP IN AUDIO]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935#t=2717.0,2772.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40568/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 15]\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: If I could pull together a few threads here and throw one more sticky wicket into the discussion. We've been talking now for a while about such things as celebration and joy, richness, etcetera. And Harvey you a while ago mentioned Americans as being pragmatic. I think we should briefly at least address ourselves to the pragmatic Americans, from the point of view of, what do we have to say about just going out and doing something, doing your piece in society, your good works or good deeds? As opposed to either approach of celebration or of what we might call a contemplative approach of working on yourself to begin with? How do these things go together?\r\n\r\n\r\nHARVEY COX: Well I think you can work on yourself until it becomes a kind of endless conundrum sometimes, endlessly, a kind of peeling away of the onion and finding that the onion is really basically all peels -- maybe that's a good discovery to make, eventually. But the whole notion that somehow my own working on myself is integrally involved with my responding to what's out there, I think is pretty important too. That we do live in a world in which there are other people, there are things going on. That subtle relationship between being a captive of what's going on around me, which we don't want to be, that's a kind of captivity, and the opposite extreme is solving that by withdrawing completely from what's going on around me. I think the genius of any spiritual tradition is to find how to be really totally and completely, joyfully, hopefully involved in the world around you. And--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935#t=2772.0,2908.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40568/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 16]\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: What is the process of that? Does it-- does one simply involve oneself more right to start with, once one's decided to have some kind of spiritual approach?\r\n\r\n\r\nHARVEY COX: I think it has to be a kind of dialectical. I think you have to go back and forth between-- it has to be kind of on this earthly plane. There has to be some kind of going back and forth between periods where one is alone and periods where one is really enmeshed. And the-- I don't think you ever, at least I don't anticipate ever being completely liberated from that kind of dialectic -- I don't think I'd want to be. So the-- again I'd come back to the very rich notion of meditating for a period each day, or the Jewish tradition of sabbath once a week. You don't change, alter, intervene, mess around with the world, you just let the world be, at least one day a week.\r\n\r\n\r\nBut that-- one of the things I've learned from Judaism, I think -- and of course ninety-nine percent of Christianity of course is Judaism -- is that sense that there is a kind of a pattern or a movement or a pendulum swing which goes back and forth between withdrawal and involvement. And one learns over the years, I think, when it's time to go away for a retreat and when it's time to move into the world and identify with it. Of course the central affirmation in Christianity is that God involves himself utterly and completely and irrevocably in the world, becomes flesh; you can't get more involved than that. And that's not just a little trip, that's an irretrievable kind of involvement. So that-- so at least in one person, let's say in the life of Christ, that was done. But for most of us we have to kind of move back and forth I think between those two.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935#t=2908.0,3042.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40568/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"JOSH HECKELMAN: In Judaism it's just what you said is expressed explicitly. There's a teaching by the rabbis that the world stands on three things: on Torah, \"avodah\", \"gemilut chasadim\" -- on study of the law; worship, joyful worship; and acts of righteousness, acts of loving-kindness, actually in the transcendence of loving-kindness. But that these three aspects are the three that work together.\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: But basically they are-- all three are happening at any stage in one's lifetime or in one's spiritual development. Would that be accurate?\r\n\r\n\r\nJOSH HECKELMAN: I think so. They're the notion, they're-- the more Eastern notion of an extended retreat would be an innovation, but--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935#t=3042.0,3095.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40568/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 17]\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: Well that's what I was getting to, I mean what about you Buddhists here who, you have a reputation for going off and meditating in caves for years or even lifetimes. So how do you--\r\n\r\n\r\nJOHN MARALDO: Even where that happens, we always come back down from the mountain. I mean when you meditate, one of the things you certainly learn is how much of other people are still with you, how much of society is with you; and when you interact with other people you learn how much of yourself and your own trip is there. It's like I really think that a division between, at least on a personal level for me, the contemplative aspect and social involvement, that kind of division is imaginary. Even in the concrete practice of traditional forms for example of Zen, no monk ever lives in a monastery for his entire life. You know there's a certain period of his life where he can learn to deal with himself, but always in a community, and even that is broken at one point in time. The monks are sent out to work on a very common level with the ordinary people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935#t=3095.0,3173.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40568/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 18]\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: Is that true in the Tibetan monastic tradition, Rinpoche?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think so because usually that any particular monk who is fully involved with-- involved with his own particular discipline would be expected to teach, and they act as everything. I think that same way is probably in the Catholic world as well, in some sense, that they act as a marriage counselor, they act as economic advisors some point, a psychiatrist at some point. And I think the involvement into the world does play very important part. That doesn't necessarily mean to say that the monk will go and work in the factory particularly, but since monk is already educated that he has a larger-scale responsibility than just purely doing menial work alone.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935#t=3173.0,3255.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40568/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 19]\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: Well but to... I think what's important in the American context of pragmatism is what we can say about the contemplative side, rather than about the active side. I mean that we could go a bit further in explaining or even justifying having a contemplative side at all. And what could we say there?\r\n\r\n\r\nHARVEY COX: Yeah, see I think one of the problems there is that Christianity in America is largely influenced by a rejection of the monastic side. I mean after all it's basically settled by Puritans and Protestants. And Luther was very impatient with monasteries, and he closed them all. And his notion was that everybody ought to be a monk in the world, which theoretically is a very good idea. But I think-- I really resonate with the notion that at a stage in one's life, the living, what John Maraldo just said, that living in a situation where you're simply bracketed that for the moment, you just-- you do something else for a while, is lost, is pretty much lost with us. And it shows up in the terrible things that happen to people when they retire, so-called, when they retire in America. They have not learned to deal with themselves. They haven't learned to be alone, they haven't learned not to be constantly doing and changing things. So the-- all the programs that are now being innovated for what to do with retired people, now that people are living way beyond retirement age and retirement age is getting earlier, is how to keep busy -- rather than the opposite tack would be to how to be not busy during your so-called active life. It's a whole-- the whole problem of what in the Western traditions calls the \"vita activa\" and the \"vita contemplativa\", which have been split, very badly split. There are certain people who are supposed to live in monasteries their whole life and other people who live in the world, and I think that's a violation because there's part of that in each one of us. There's the need for the contemplative and there's a need for the active, and it's the integrating of them that we need.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935#t=3255.0,3404.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40568/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"JOHN MARALDO: I really wonder whether that problem has so much to do with America and American society, pragmatism as we might suppose, because I really see it reflective in every country that I've lived in. I wonder if it doesn't have to do with very fast pace of living in a technological society. For example, retirement is an extreme problem in Japan, where most company people retire at the age of fifty-five. And they might live twenty more years and they-- as you said they simply don't know what to do with themselves, even though they have a living monastic tradition there; very few Japanese today, you know, enter the monastery at all even though some might make occasional retreats. But I don't see it so much as an American problem as I guess a more global phenomenon.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935#t=3404.0,3457.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40568/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"JOSH HECKELMAN: In one sense it's what religion of any form has been addressing itself to all along, is an orientation in life which is not just pragmatic, which is not just acquisitive, which-- in which the individual can address himself to the whole business, the whole cycle, the whole universe. And it's the same old problem we've been working on, and we come up with solutions, and we come up with human institutions that corrupt our solutions of the original people who came up with them, and we reform them or whatever -- but it's an ongoing process, which I think all religions struggle with throughout their history.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935#t=3457.0,3507.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40568/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 20]\r\n\r\n\r\nHARVEY COX: Yeah I'd like to pick up on a-- on something that Josh said and ask Rinpoche about this. I-- there's a kind of strange thing that's happening as Buddhist practice is introduced in America, which I think might have been somewhat unanticipated by those who brought it, including yourself, which is what I like to call the \"ricochet effect\" -- you know when you fire a bullet and it bounces off and hits somebody else -- which and I think you're an illustration of it; I may be too. Which is that my experience, as limited as it has been, with Buddhism has driven me back to a deeper appreciation of what I hadn't noticed before in Christianity. It's done the same for you in Judaism. So that the Buddhist presence in America may have a strange effect [laughing] which is to push people into their own traditions more than making Buddhists out of them. I just like to wonder-- I'd like to ask the Buddhists here whether they anticipated this and whether that's part of the [laughing] program. [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935#t=3507.0,3579.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40568/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I think you could say that from two points of view. That there is, one of the aspect that is maybe wishful thinking part of the established tradition already exist and one day they going to come back to me when they begin to realize what they are doing, and because they have room to breathe, they begin to appreciate more and more. But on the other side is that also equally, that I think when people become completely involved with a Buddhist practice obviously they going to appreciate more, and I will say particularly that of the tantric tradition very much that they begin to appreciate more and more of their particular heritage, their particular cultural background, trainings that they had. You know they begin to understand more intuitively through practice of meditation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935#t=3579.0,3642.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40568/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But to the point that it is questionable whether they going to actually come back and join the-- their Christian order or going to become a rabbi on that particular spot seem to be also another kind of game they have to play if they want to do that. [Laughter] I mean the whole question is that-- in other word that the coming of Buddhism into this country and its movement is obviously not antagonistic approach, and basically had been open-minded approach. And you begin to appreciate, you begin to see, in fact you know that the children can go back to their parents without any difficulty and talk to them, and they assume their business career or whatever that the parents expected can take place, you know. And because of their open-mindedness, they been trained and their practice of meditation which they learned how to slow down whole thing. So they could accommodate everything, but at the same time-- well wait and see what [laughing] happens, and we have a lot of years to go. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935#t=3642.0,3720.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40568/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 21]\r\n\r\n\r\nJOHN MARALDO: Actually I find it very humorous when people ask-- when people, you know, refer to me as a Buddhist, or ask if I'm a Zen Buddhist or something like that. It's a very American question and--\r\n\r\n\r\nJOSH HECKELMAN: What would they ask in Japan?\r\n\r\n\r\nJOHN MARALDO: Well that question simply wouldn't occur, I think, to most people. I mean in Japan I'm a foreigner, [laughter] and people assume that I'm, well, most probably a Christian and they want-- they refer to me that way and they think it's very curious that I have all this interest in Buddhism, especially in its practice. But it-- I really find it-- that sort of question comes out of our culture because of the religious pluralism within our culture. And it might not be so important-- the ricochet effect might not be so important when we come down to the basic fact that Buddhism or Christianity or Judaism isn't just a religion, it isn't just this social, cultural phenomenon, has to do with what we spoke about earlier as personal way of life or discovery or practice.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935#t=3720.0,3798.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40568/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: CLOSING REMARKS]\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: Well we seem to be left with a question, which is I think a good way to end our discussion. Our time is up now. I'd like to thank our guests, John Maraldo, Josh Heckelman, Harvey Cox, Trungpa Rinpoche. This has been Open Secret, a series of programs from Naropa Institute. Thank you.\r\n\r\n\r\nHARVEY COX: It's over already?\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: It's ten minutes over, actually.\r\n\r\n\r\n[GAP IN AUDIO]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935#t=3798.0,3836.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40568/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 22]\r\n\r\n\r\nHARVEY COX: So if I never get around to integrating all these things into a closed or elegant system, that's really not so much of a tragedy. But the-- when the practice is missing I think it becomes an-- it's a horror.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935#t=3836.0,3856.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40568/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"JOHN MARALDO: Rinpoche, I always have the feeling that with us Americans the tendency is the opposite of being confident with our own wisdom and just pursuing that, it's scattered. It's always wanting wisdom somewhere else, sometime else, you know, the spiritual supermarket or eclecticism, or really what happens with people at Naropa, students especially, you know. I have so many students who come up to me and say, \"Oh, I want to come to your class on Thursday. I can't come the other days, I'm doing too many things.\" They want everything.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. Well that seem to be the problem. [Laughter] I think so.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935#t=3856.0,3900.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40568/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"JOSH HECKELMAN: I think it's also a problem of just seeing the perspective of religion. That I don't know a kind of hanging on the form, but the very function of the form is to be of limited expression, a limited channel to what is beyond the form, and that's the purpose of any religion. And the key, you know, as you said Harvey, the key seems to be in practice which-- in which you are not using the form as a possession, but in which you are opening up through the form. And in that realm of practice you know if it's practice done with confidence and with-- at the same time with the confidence a sense of humility, there isn't conflict, there isn't conflict there.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I feel that it's an educational problem.\r\n\r\n\r\nHARVEY COX: Yeah, it is.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935#t=3900.0,3964.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40568/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You know that the person had to be educated in one particular form or another, they had to be brought up fully and completely so they so competent in their particular field of discipline they don't have to hang on to the form anymore. They can master the whole thing completely so they can actually let go, and then, you know, you can collect anything you want, you know, and then it becomes very beautiful. And, you know, I have spoken to a lot of Catholic abbots and teachers, and Jesuits, and all kinds of things in England, that we always got along very well and we didn't discuss the dogma. You know if you do-- begin to do that then everybody will be up in arms. [Laughter] But you know, what's beyond dogma, actually? What is behind it, beyond it? And then when we drop that particular thing and then everything's very fully communicated and it can be done.\r\n\r\n\r\nSo that I mean, we have a tradition in Tibet called \"Rime school\" which it means-- literally means \"nonsectarian tradition\", as my guru Jamgon Kongtrul is belongs to that particular style of thinking. And that you have to have some kind of, you know, schooling system so to speak, is first that you actually equipped to see the subtleties of other people's thought and mind and approach. Once that has taken place then there's no problem at all. You know, it's open-ended, so to speak, open way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935#t=3964.0,4070.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40568/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DAVID ROME: But you're still saying that you start with one form that might have, even though it's a form, it still might have a certain richness or possibility that you didn't realize at the beginning. That by devoting yourself to a single form could get you deeper than trying to pick up the highlights of every possible form.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935#t=4070.0,4087.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40568/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, yeah. That's the only way to get your confidence, you know. I mean if you be collecting everything at once, you know, you feel like finally very regretful situation, that \"I wish I could gone a little bit more with that, I wish I would have gone a little bit more with this.\" So finally you have no real information, but you speaks their language somewhat, you know. It's like studying linguistics, you know, in a sense that you know-- you get through the whole world by you learn to say, \"Bring me Coca-Cola, or cheesecake-- \"\r\n\r\n\r\nHARVEY COX: [Laughing] In nineteen languages--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nHARVEY COX: --you can say, \"Bring me a Coca-Cola.\"\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You can go around with all over the country, but then you can't discuss philosophy or, you know, how your life is getting on and what's going on in this country, you know. That you are-- I mean you could make a good showmanship, but... You know, you get your, sort of, accreditation, but you won't last, you know; nothing is really happens.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935#t=4087.0,4154.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40568/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 23]\r\n\r\n\r\nHARVEY COX: But I think John's point also is a good one, that the-- somewhere in the Western psyche, way back, there's -- I think it's a part of the collective unconscious -- is this haunting notion that somewhere else is the happy land, and you got to go, you got to find that somewhere else.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well--\r\n\r\n\r\nHARVEY COX: And the whole-- I've asked myself for example about the whole business of that-- the Western move around the whole globe, recklessly looking for fountains of youth, looking for perfect noble savages, looking for everything--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935#t=4154.0,4194.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40568/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"JOHN MARALDO: That's in Japan too, the--.\r\n\r\n\r\nHARVEY COX: Is it really?\r\n\r\n\r\nJOHN MARALDO: The pure land.\r\n\r\n\r\nHARVEY COX: The pure land.\r\n\r\n\r\nJOHN MARALDO: \"I will be reborn in the pure land where I can attain enlightenment.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935#t=4194.0,4200.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40568/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. Well I think that's a sort of basic chauvinism, that I mean it's ego's language, you know, that it's looking for eternity. Which actually Buddhism cuts right through and, you know, \"You're not going to be last forever; you actually dying every minute, every second.\" [Laughter; laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nHARVEY COX: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Like the--\r\n\r\n\r\nHARVEY COX: But isn't here, isn't anywhere?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --what's called the movie? \"Shangri-la,\" you know, \"Lost Horizon\"--\r\n\r\n\r\nHARVEY COX: \"The Lost Horizon,\" that's... \"Lost Horizon\"... [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: They have their tricks, you know--\r\n\r\n\r\nJOHN MARALDO: They went to Tibet.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: They went to Tibet. [Laughter] Yeah, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nJOHN MARALDO: Well, maybe they found it. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: They might have found it right in time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935#t=4200.0,4259.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40568/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 24]\r\n\r\n\r\nJOSH HECKELMAN: Yeah, and I think that that's a function when you follow any tradition, any discipline through, there's a function of it bringing you down to earth. I mean, I think that as well in Buddhism certainly that element is in both Christianity and Judaism. That there is a being brought down to earth, and that-- that's basic if you're going to understand, you know, if you're going to no longer be caught in the duality of reaching it for somewhere else \"there\", then you have to appreciate \"here\", you know, there's a neurotic drive for \"there\"--\r\n\r\n\r\nHARVEY COX: See that's the way I think the tradition, the Christian tradition, has so messed up Jesus. I think that's exactly what he was all about, completely. And somehow over the years, this great elaborate tradition has grown up that it's somewhere else, it's in another world, it's after this one is over, it's after this life is over -- a complete distortion of what I read to be the original, which is here and now, right here. Look around you, see what's going on. Don't look anywhere else.\r\n\r\n\r\nJOSH HECKELMAN: And Judaism has that almost on the same point of expectation of messiah. And it's this delicate flip to go from expecting messiah like at twelve o'clock tomorrow to recognizing that messiah is imminent, that he could come at any moment, which is to say could be present at any moment -- as soon as you could be present you could be present. Which in a mystical reading of Judaism is there, but is usually lost in much more of a political kind of future-tripping.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935#t=4259.0,4358.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40568/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 25]\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: Tell me something Harvey, did the Protestant revolution have anything to do with that question do you think, originally?\r\n\r\n\r\nHARVEY COX: Well I think the main thing that the Protestant-- the valuable thing, among some un-valuable things or destructive things that the Protestantism introduced, was Luther's fantastic vision that you don't have to *do* anything. After he tried and tried and tried--\r\n\r\n\r\nJOSH HECKELMAN: Luther said that?\r\n\r\n\r\nHARVEY COX: Sure--\r\n\r\n\r\nJOSH HECKELMAN: Far out.\r\n\r\n\r\nHARVEY COX: I mean the whole idea of \"grace\" is you don't have-- don't even-- don't you have-- you don't only *not* have to do anything, but *doing* things is precisely the way you don't make it.\r\n\r\n\r\nJOSH HECKELMAN: [Exhales] Ahhhh. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nJOHN MARALDO: You know that's there in Japanese Buddhism again, it's all these things come down to really universally human elements. Shinran taught the same thing -- faith, no action. I mean there were certain practices, chanting the name of Amida Buddha, identifying yourself with that. But again it was a future trip to be reborn in the pure land, all you had to have was faith in that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935#t=4358.0,4424.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40568/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 26]\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: But there's also a kind of a rationale for that from a very kind of a pure mahayana devotional trip that it's-- that it's a kind of very literal, pure egolessness. That all you do is a very simple non-ego devotedness. And is that a legitimate expression of, you know, egolessness?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well in-- I mean in the Pure Land school in Tibet -- they don't call school, but tradition -- there the four purification you have to make. That the ground should be cleared -- that is to say, no ego; and then you have to pray a lot to arrive to the destination; and you have to sacrifice by offering yourself to it; and the fourth one is actual commitment, that you are actually going to do it, and there shouldn't be any doubt to do so, you know. Those are the four command, command truth so to speak of the Pure Land tradition. But whole thing's based on seem to be definitely non-ego structure. But you know I mean like in a kind of Christian tradition of devotion is that you don't exist and you become Jesus. You're like hesychast disciplines, that your heartbeat becomes part of the prayer rather than you are actually consciously saying it. You know, you become one with it so there is nobody here at home, but you know it happens to *you* constantly.\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: Well that's an approach that's very much equated with a kind of a peasant mentality. And I mean really, do you feel it's legitimate in the sense of a symbol--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It's extremely, extremely sophisticated you know, I mean once you-- if you going to do that, you know, and if you don't expect any reward, that you can actually experience yourself that you be saved, you be reborn in a pure land, Sukhavati. That, you know, a peasant would be shocked: \"If I'm not going to experience that, then who's going to do it? What we doing it for? What we doing it for?\" You know--\r\n\r\n\r\nJOSH HECKELMAN: Practical common sense. It's great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935#t=4424.0,4573.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40568/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Somehow, somewhat very-- in order to keep the folks together, nobody told that secret. [Laughs] So thinking that they're going to do it, one day they going to have fantastic, luxurious place, you know. Everything's explained. Once you're in the land of Sukhavati and how the landscape is going to be, the swimming pool is there, and the teachings are heard, and the world is made out of precious stones, you know, the music is plays to you, and everything is described so vividly. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: Yeah, but is that corrupt or is that legitimate? I mean the Marxists say that religion is the opiate of the masses. So as far as a mass practice, which tends to be in that form of a very simple devotional practice, I mean is it a genuine practice of egolessness to say your prayers or--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I think fundamentally it is-- it's genuine, but at the same time I think there's a lot of politics involved with that, [laughter] you know, to keep a society together. [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935#t=4573.0,4647.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40568/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 27]\r\n\r\n\r\nJOSH HECKELMAN: I feel like just before I gave a little bit of a perhaps distorted picture of Judaism in that sense of the imminence of messiah, that the other thing that came into my mind to corr-- balance that is the statement that \"it is not for you to complete the work and you are not free to be free of it, you are not excused from it.\" And that would seem to be the kind of particular way in which in Judaism a kind of pressure cooker is applied to keep you to the path, keep you aspiring, and at the same time keep you down to earth. And at the same time there's the consciousness that [claps hands] any minute messiah could come. So there's a kind of working tension there, and I imagine that's something that various religions, you know, try to attain is that kind of tension to keep the aspiration going and keep the grounding. There's another teaching, just came into my mind which is, \"If someone tells you messiah has come and you're planting a tree, finish planting the tree.\" Which is perhaps also a pro-tree statement. [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935#t=4647.0,4720.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40568/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think that society has a lot to do with it. And in medieval times, which was the same thing in Tibet until a few years ago, that nobody's literate except a few elite, educated, rich people. And the theologians there can't afford to tell the whole truth because it's too complicated. [Laughter] You know, and I mean the peasants would be, you know, completely lost if you begin to tell egolessness and everything, you know, it-- is doesn't make any sense. And some kind of blind faith in part of the theologians is that \"hopefully it will go okay -- once you present, you give a little mantra, and say that and walk around the temple, you know, hopefully I'm not misleading them, and everything going to be okay.\" And actually secret wishes of the theologians of the church is that hopefully next life they become more literate and they come back. [Laughs; laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935#t=4720.0,4797.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40568/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 28]\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: So that's a fascinating question in terms of, I mean, as you know as moderns we're terribly hung up on the idea of being individuals, right, individuality. And I... you know I have the sense that in a feudal society that it's not so much a question of individuality, but that within the whole society each role is played. You know you have the-- and that's perfectly fine because it's not so much a question of each individual integrating these aspects, but the society as a whole integrating them.\r\n\r\n\r\nHARVEY COX: See I don't think we can do it anymore. I think that's the difference between feudal society and now.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nHARVEY COX: And everybody's got to be his own monk and his own businessman, everything. In those days they could do that -- a few people went off to the monasteries, a few people went into the army, other people tilled the soil. There was a kind of a division of labor.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: And also there's no social complications, that everybody did their job. They--\r\n\r\n\r\nHARVEY COX: Yeah that's right, it's-- they were satisfied to do it. But no longer.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, yeah, no longer. Well we are--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935#t=4797.0,4862.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40568/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 29]\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: Well yeah, that's where the Jews -- because I am Jewish. [laughter] I mean, in some sense, definitely... I mean I assume that in the days of the temple that that's the way it was also. But that--\r\n\r\n\r\nHARVEY COX: That's the ricochet effect you're seeing now. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: But then we've been working on that since the -- approximately the year zero.\r\n\r\n\r\nJOSH HECKELMAN: Yeah our problem is we haven't had land and apparently having-- not having-- just simply not having land, not having contact with that agricultural function has really messed a lot of things up and made for a rather poor experience in Europe. And--\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: But also, you know--\r\n\r\n\r\nJOSH HECKELMAN: So even-- okay, come back.\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: --we've been co-existing with feudal societies or not co-existing with them, whatever, but--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: But, yeah--\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: I mean that problem in Judaism has been going on for 2,000 years, in the sense that one couldn't have the feudal kind of structure of classes.\r\n\r\n\r\nJOSH HECKELMAN: Right and that's a very beautiful thing in Judaism, that the rabbis' professionalization of the rabbinate is fairly recent thing. The rabbis were by and large artisans of some sort, or workman of some sort, so there's-- certainly the talmudic rabbis, the rabbis you know who started the whole process of dynamic law in Judaism were, you know, were regular guys and it made for much more integrated religion.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935#t=4862.0,4952.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40568/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 30]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I wouldn't say that Judaism did have democratic world by the time in the early days, because they have to function themselves in their particular society. There's nothing other than feudal society already, so there must be merchants, there must be rich people, the priest class, and there's--\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: Oh but there wasn't, I mean since--\r\n\r\n\r\nJOSH HECKELMAN: But priests dropped off, priests dropped off. We haven't had an important function for priests since the temple, and--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I'm talking about before temple, before the temple.\r\n\r\n\r\nJOSH HECKELMAN: Aww, that was a long time ago.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nJOSH HECKELMAN: That was 2,000 years. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, but even still--\r\n\r\n\r\nJOSH HECKELMAN: Okay. [Laughter] Things have been a lot better since then. [Laughter] We look back to it, we wish the temple hadn't been destroyed, the good old days, build it again, but there's been a lot of evolution of the religion since then.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, well it's sort of basically slave movement, you know, moment of the workers basically I suppose, you know. If you say so?\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: Wait I missed that, sorry.\r\n\r\n\r\nJOSH HECKELMAN: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Sort of slave. Society was slaves being worked on.\r\n\r\n\r\nJOSH HECKELMAN: At which point?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: After the whole thing's destroyed, temple is destroyed.\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: Well not really, I mean--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You mean there's still-- still there is feudalism going on?\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: Well I think the point is, being finally somewhat drunk-- [Laughter; applause]\r\n\r\n\r\nHARVEY COX: The tape is still going. [Laughter] They'll really love this--\r\n\r\n\r\nJOSH HECKELMAN: [INAUDIBLE] You can't do that. [Laughter] Okay let's hear it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935#t=4952.0,5062.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40568/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DAVID ROME: You know, now being Jewish about it, that the feudal society is based on hierarchy of positions and specifically of viewing-- seeing things in terms of the whole society. It's perfectly fine if there are some people in the society being the monastics, some people being the bankers, some people being the candlestick makers. And that although obviously the Jews too had, you know, different occupations, but they were already a long time, in some sense, before the rest of us, the rest of you, the rest of us, thrown into not really being able to be a hierarchical feudal society. And therefore--\r\n\r\n\r\nHARVEY COX: That's true.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935#t=5062.0,5108.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40568/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 31]\r\n\r\n\r\nJOSH HECKELMAN: My impression is that there is similar precedence in at least some of the Buddhist countries that-- at least my impression of Buddhism in Thailand for example is similar that in Judaism, that someone with enough spiritual ability is, you know, going to be supported, going to become a rabbi, or going to become enlightened in Buddhism, and that there is a certain democracy, a certain social mobility in those civilizations.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, that's what we discussed early on about the nonexistence of the, you know, caste system anymore once you become Buddhist. You know the untouchable class can be-- can bless the Brahman, can give sermon. You know that's-- somehow that's quite surprisingly there's no reactions as far as we know on the Buddhist side of it, but maybe there's no records kept on the side of the Hindu. One can expect by then there would be a lot of upheavals and all kinds of things, but never heard of it somehow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935#t=5108.0,5177.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40568/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"JOSH HECKELMAN: But Judaism has always had that, the role of the rabbi is as a teacher and not really as a priestly role in any sense. And it's really the religious life is up to each individual Jew in Judaism. Just as becoming Buddha is up to every Buddhist, you know--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nJOSH HECKELMAN: You can't give it to somebody else.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935#t=5177.0,5198.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40568/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 32]\r\n\r\n\r\nHARVEY COX: Ironically that was the reason why they introduced celibacy.\r\n\r\n\r\nJOSH HECKELMAN: Why was that?\r\n\r\n\r\nHARVEY COX: So there wouldn't be a priestly class. Anybody can enter the medieval-- in the Christian medieval period--\r\n\r\n\r\nJOSH HECKELMAN: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nHARVEY COX: --technically, the monasteries and the priesthood were open to everybody and since priests were not supposed to have children, although they had some, they were not legal children. So that anybody-- that was immediate access to it, which was not fixed in a class structure. So-- and Luther, you know, Luther's whole point was that prie-- the big phrase \"the priesthood of all believers\" -- everybody is a priest.\r\n\r\n\r\nJOSH HECKELMAN: Yeah, beautiful idea.\r\n\r\n\r\nHARVEY COX: It's a beautiful idea -- it's a little hard to work out in practice, but it's--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It didn't quite work that way.\r\n\r\n\r\nHARVEY COX: --the radical democratization of the function of priesthood.\r\n\r\n\r\nJOSH HECKELMAN: Yeah, yeah. The same term in Judaism is a nation of priests, \"Am K'doshim\", same idea.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935#t=5198.0,5249.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40568/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 33]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: It's funny that it seems to be that similarity that all these religions, when they start, even in a kind of a reformation like Luther, the idea is to cut through the existing social structure. Like Christ in the very beginning saying, well it's not just the Jews that are getting into heaven, it's everybody, he said -- democratization, sort of. And then as it becomes harder, more solid, it becomes what it was originally trying to cut through.\r\n\r\n\r\nHARVEY COX: Yeah, that's--\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: Well I don't know [INAUDIBLE] not just the Pharisees, I think.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935#t=5249.0,5283.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40568/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"HARVEY COX: But it's the incredible capacity of human beings to abstract, distort, and dogmatize, so that for the Lutheran church, for example, is [laughs] -- now the good work [INAUDIBLE WORDS] is to believe that you don't have to do any good works. And that is the supreme test of faith. You can say, \"Yes, I really believe that, that you don't have to do good work.\" That's the kind of work. It's completely ruined. And that was my original question, the first thing I said about tradition and the idea that the distortion that a tradition enters in, and how you have the sources of renewal in a tradition. Where do you go to make sure the tradition, instead of being a flowering isn't an encrustation or a rigidification or even a complete denial of what was there at the beginning?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935#t=5283.0,5338.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40568/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DAVID ROME: Mhmm. Well that's a marvelous-- becomes a marvelous way of presenting the history of religion. I know in Buddhism for example of the you know constant-- because there are so many different schools and movements and sects, but to look at it precisely from the point of view of breaking through the solidification that developed in each previous movement. And in that sense it's legitimate to see it always as returning to the original inspiration.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935#t=5338.0,5366.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40568/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"HARVEY COX: How's it do that? How does Buddhism check back with the original impulse?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think it basically is sitting practice. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nHARVEY COX: That's the answer to every question.\r\n\r\n\r\nJOSH HECKELMAN: [Laughter] It's a good answer. Don't let go of that one.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935#t=5366.0,5388.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40568/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DAVID ROME: On a philosophical level, can't you also say that it's checking back to the Buddha saying to begin with that there's certain questions which aren't worth asking?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, I mean that's also connected with sitting practice as well, you know -- level of your sanity. You know, there are certain kind of standard is set already. That's the case, you know. That [UNCLEAR: interaction? attraction?], gentleness that you begin to cultivate as you become good sitters. So it's more of development of personality, which would be obvious if somebody hurts somebody else less as they join the path then you know that's a good Buddhist, good sitter, good practitioner. It seem to boil down to that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935#t=5388.0,5445.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40568/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 34]\r\n\r\n\r\nJOSH HECKELMAN: Interesting is the example of Pharisees came up before, and this is something I encountered in Harvey's class sitting in on one of his classes, that the, you know, hearing for example that Hindu and Buddhist tantra arose at pretty much the same time. It seems a similar kind of thing that Christianity and Phariseeism arose perhaps at pretty much at the same time, and that the Pharisaic tradition is in fact, is the tradition of interpretation, in the Jewish tradition. And that it-- you know, the impulse there is to get back to the original by a fairly open-ended process of interpretation -- that we continue to relate with God through our book, through our Torah, but their-- our understanding of what it means is flexible. And then Jesus coming in and saying, \"No man, like don't mess with that stuff at all, just hear it straight, you know; I've got it straight, hear it straight.\" And so those two traditions, you know, arising at the same time and, you know, from the point of view of Christianity, Phariseeism being the old stuff and we're the new stuff, but from the Jewish point of view that's not exactly the way it is. So--\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: Well then basically without denying that Jesus was a heretic, I assume he wasn't saying, \"Let's not be Jews, let's be Christians, but let's be good Jews\"--\r\n\r\n\r\nJOSH HECKELMAN: He was just a radical-- I-- excuse me-- but he was within the-- [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\n[AUDIO CUTS OUT]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935#t=5445.0,5550.21056"}]},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40569","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["19750000VCTR2-Captions [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40569/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"CTI SLATE: This is the Venerable\nChogyam Trungpa Rinpoche,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935#t=0.52,4.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40569/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"panel discussion\nin the Open Secret series,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935#t=4.0,8.24"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40569/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"on the topic of religion,\nmoderated by David Rome.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935#t=8.24,13.24"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40569/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The recording was made\nin the summer of 1975,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935#t=13.24,16.74"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40569/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"though the precise date\nis unknown.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935#t=16.74,19.43"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40569/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This is a CTI auto-remaster\nmade May 2022.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935#t=19.43,26.68"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76099/file/168935/transcript/40569/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DAVID ROME: ...is to ask\neach of 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