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The essential differences between spirituality and religion. Agrees with Krishnamurti's criticisms of spirituality in America and the problems with establishing a spiritual framework. Observes that he has a common misunderstanding of meditation as appreciating a peaceful environment. In contrast, meditation is experiencing every moment of life in all its grittiness. The ground of American spirituality as influenced by Black Elk Speaks, The Teachings of Don Juan, and other books. Comments on his interview with Krishnamurti earlier that year. Spirituality as having an open mind versus the security of thought offered by religion.\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication"]},"value":{"en":["UNPUBLISHED"]}},{"label":{"en":["Transcription Credits"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eSep 12 2024 to Jun 15 2025 Transcribing: Ella Milligan Checking: JP Glutting Final Proof: Ruth Veleta Other Contributors: Blaire Martin, Lynn Friedman\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003e© Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Year"]},"value":{"en":["1972"]}}],"summary":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eThe meaning of spirituality centered on appreciation and critique of Jiddu Krishnamurti, an Indian philosopher, speaker and writer who was a central figure in the hippie milieu of the time. The essential differences between spirituality and religion. Agrees with Krishnamurti's criticisms of spirituality in America and the problems with establishing a spiritual framework. Observes that he has a common misunderstanding of meditation as appreciating a peaceful environment. In contrast, meditation is experiencing every moment of life in all its grittiness. The ground of American spirituality as influenced by Black Elk Speaks, The Teachings of Don Juan, and other books. Comments on his interview with Krishnamurti earlier that year. Spirituality as having an open mind versus the security of thought offered by religion.\u003c/p\u003e"]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003e\u0026copy; Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved -\u0026nbsp;Not to be Distributed or Reproduced\u003c/p\u003e"]}},"provider":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["Chogyam Trungpa Digital Library"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["Chogyam Trungpa Digital Library"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/209/original/cti-library-logo-blue-text.png?1672724952","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/293/559/small/Logo-Audio-Red.png?1759345209","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 1 - open-uri20251001-2006876-rjxn67.mpga"]},"duration":3945.60988,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/293/559/small/Logo-Audio-Red.png?1759345209","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559/content/1/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-cti.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/293/559/original/open-uri20251001-2006876-rjxn67.mpga?1759343441","type":"Audio","format":"audio/mpeg","duration":3945.60988,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559/transcript/85024","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["19720509VCTR1-Transcript [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559/transcript/85024/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[19720509VCTR1 - University of Colorado - Boulder - Spring 1972 - Class 13]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]\r\n\r\n\r\nARP SLATE: This is the Venerable Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, University of Colorado Classes 1972, held in Boulder, Colorado.\r\n\r\n\r\nCTI SLATE: This is class number thirteen, entitled Spirituality, held May 9th, 1972. This is a CTI custom remaster made September 2024.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559#t=0.0,26.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559/transcript/85024/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: LECTURE]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What we going to discuss tonight is the, somewhat, final conclusion on the idea of spirituality. The sense of idea of spirituality has been very confusing to a lot of people. That when we talk about spirituality that there is a sense of particular theme, particular concept that involved. Students here have gone through taking part in the understanding of Buddhism, Hinduism, American teaching, American spirituality, such as like Don Juan, Black Elk, and finally that of Krishnamurti. That we have gone though whole survey of spirituality. So I hope that everybody is quite clear on the idea of that spirituality is not *spirit* worship, but spirituality in the sense of *spirit*-uality, in the sense of inspiration, spirit.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559#t=26.0,182.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559/transcript/85024/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Spirit, from that sense, we could relate with more to the-- than religion. But religion, definition of religion, is that of certain particular principles which involves a way of looking at certain problems and preprogrammed patterns, which reassures you that you could apply that particular way of looking at spirituality or religion, and then you get package deal. You could check in this particular motel called religion. If you paid money you get your room. Free to go out but expected to come back. Spirit of spirituality as concerned, it is based on a sense of seriousness, solemnness in some sense -- really taking understanding of \"What are we? Why are we here? What are we here? Who are we? What is this? What is the meaning of life? Why do we have to exist ourselves? Why, why, why, why, why, why? What's meaning of this? Why there are scriptures? Why there are philosophy? Why there are practices? Why meditate?\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559#t=182.0,305.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559/transcript/85024/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That is the basic principle that we're involved, particularly if we are talking about Krishnamurti's approach, from this sense... you had a discussion last week or week before on Krishnamurti? Did we?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559#t=305.0,331.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559/transcript/85024/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm? We didn't. Thought we were having one. [Laughter] The way Krishnamurti sees spirituality and spiritual practice is ludicrous. [Laughter] He might have used the same word. Meditating and practicing in a spiritual way is reliving myth. Absolutely meaningless, there is no sense. All these yogis running about in America, [laughter] all these people sitting, practicing, meditating, groping with gurus--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Who? [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559#t=331.0,395.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559/transcript/85024/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --all these things are nonsense. From Krishnamurti's way of looking at, of all this approach is-- even having discussion on spirituality is destructive, absolutely terrible thing to do. It's pollution of some kind-- another kind. He wouldn't approve at all of discussing such thing, because I had a very close relationship with him. We were interviewed together in television show. And I left him lots of space, and he attacked all scene of spirituality, guruhood, whatever. And he was right. [Laughter] But when you say he's right, that means that he is involved himself in some kind of conditions, which means how far he's been right goes on, is another question. He will be right today and tomorrow and the day after, but he may not be right next week, next month, next year. That is kind of limitation -- when you begin to criticize what is wrong, then you are completely destroyed. You have nothing to put in behind, afterwards. It's much, much, much easier to criticize, absolutely easier to criticize anything, but difficult to put things together. But however...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559#t=395.0,504.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559/transcript/85024/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Krishnamurti's approach to spirituality we could say is the awakening of faith, in some sense, of really understanding what really does mean spirituality in a living situation of people. Sit in certain posture, practice meditating, chasing after gurus, reading spiritual books, are based on trying to experience something. And that sense of experiencing something is based on a conditional situation. Experience without experiencer is impossible, so if you relate with experience without experiencer, then you don't get experience either. So whole approach is, from that point of view, Krishnamurti's point of view, is that whenever we ask question to experience is confusing yourself again and again *and* again. We made this mistakes, whether you are Buddhist, communist, Hinduist, Christians, Jews, Sufism, whatever approach we make. But whole approach of trying to establish ourselves into certain religious framework of mind, framework of pattern, that means you become captivated. Your mind becomes narrowed from Krishnamurti's point of view. That you are absolutely paralyzed, you have no expansion anymore at all. That you are imprison yourself constantly again and again.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559#t=504.0,620.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559/transcript/85024/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Those who heard Krishnamurti early on -- in something like '50s and around that situation -- might have a different experience of having his \"darshan\", and having him talk would be quite different. He was less critical, also quite rightly less critical. He was about to give something, he was about to say that things does exist, situations function themselves, independently, so our function is just to be with situation, work with situation. I'm sure he wouldn't approve, but if we might say that his approach is extraordinarily atheistic approach, atheistic religion. So from that point of view, we could say that his approach is Buddhist approach, Buddhism being atheistic and also being psychological approach involved as well. But his recent reactions to the world has been very extraordinarily aggressive. That we should cut off all these myth. That myth is become hang-up, confusion, source of confusion.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559#t=620.0,721.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559/transcript/85024/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Quite rightly Krishnamurti would say that \"Why do we have to meditate? In fact why do we have to actually call it 'it is meditation', and why we have to do it?\" That seem to be shaky ground, that Krishnamurti teaches. And his teachings involved as \"Why do we have to meditate? Why do we have to relate with meditation at all, at the beginning?\" And that particular approach seem to be very uncertain. That his idea or concept of meditation, from this point, is a very romantic approach. That he would say, \"In early morning, we arise, quite possibly with our pajamas or dressing gown. We go out on the porch. We see this beautiful river flowing. We see the birds chattering-- we hear the birds chattering. [Laughter] We see the blossoms of spring coming through. And at that moment there is no concept, there is no idea. It is all peaceful and open, that is meditation.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559#t=721.0,807.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559/transcript/85024/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It *is* meditation, some sense. But it's a layman's idea of meditation, rather than meditator's idea of meditation. We could see the blossoms of flowers, we could hear the birds chattering, we could hear the brooks running, smell sweet air of spring in the beautiful countryside. But nevertheless, so what! [Laughs; laughter] It's beautiful, it's very meditative. [Laughter] But then what?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559#t=807.0,863.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559/transcript/85024/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Meditation not based on beauty, from that sense. You begin to hear the first call of your wife say, [speaking in a high-pitched voice] \"Breakfast is ready, come down.\" [Laughter] Then there's no meditation. Or else we could say that \"Have no time to eat breakfast. I'm absorbing here.\" [Laughter] But then, [speaking in a high-pitched voice] \"Do you want to have breakfast or not?\" [Laughter] \"Late for your job.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559#t=863.0,948.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559/transcript/85024/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Popular idea of meditation from that sense does not exist, really, as meditation, as we discussed in terms of the complete [UNCLEAR: inform? conform?] of the spirituality, in terms of nonexistence of individual clingings is concern. But if we regard meditation as appreciation of nature, of course, there's all kinds of meditation practices that we could develop ourselves. Certain contemporary, spiritual, human potential organizations have developed method of holding stone, piece of rock, in your hand, not letting go -- holding, feeling rock in your hand, for three hours, ten hours. Holding it, feeling it, that you have rock in your hand. Feeling it, the rock-ness of it, the holding-ness of it. That in situation that you are holding this rock in your hand, and so forth, that have developed. [Laughs] Such situation does continue, with the idea of expanding consciousness, making it a such literal situation, from that sense.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559#t=948.0,1037.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559/transcript/85024/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"From that point of view, Krishnamurti's idea of meditation is more of a spiritual practice-- a *religious* practice, rather than spiritual practice we could say, quite safely, without any confusion. He is attacking the idea of religious approach of meditation. Again, that he is presenting his ideas of meditation, supposedly spiritual practice, but still, he is caught up with the meditation as a religious practice. That seems to continue, that seem to be Krishnamurti's presentation hasn't developed as expansive as it could be, openness could be, enough. Much as that he is intelligent and beautiful, but still, he can't accept the realistic approach of spirituality is being just digging up ditch, shitting in the toilet. Quite possibly problems of you have too much very thin toilet tissues. [Laughter] That presents problem. Krishnamurti doesn't see it that way. He is too much involved with beauty rather than that your thin toilet tissue is problematic when you shit on the toilet. [Laughter] It's very rugged. That in other word, meditation is extraordinary rugged, realistic. Spirituality from that sense is purely experience the rugged and raw quality of living situation.\r\n\r\n\r\n[Sound of someone in audience belching; laughter] Gesundheit. [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559#t=1037.0,1186.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559/transcript/85024/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Spirituality is a clumsy one, because it does not meant to be save you. Spirituality is to bring the spirit of life in its most rugged and clumsy, crude situation. Religion is to bring new facade of beauty, godliness, goodness, togetherness, whatever you like to call it. So we could say the spiritual tradition that developed in America, or presented in America, or the Western world altogether are concern, so far the presentation has been -- including Krishnamurti and his approach -- has been religious approach, having-- nobody has presented a spiritual approach, at all, none whatsoever. Much as Krishnamurti attacks organization, but that we could regard as local agitation of natives fighting each other, from that sense.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559#t=1186.0,1284.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559/transcript/85024/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"At the same time, that people get tired of this religiosity, there's possibilities that we might get on to the spiritual practice -- the meaning of what is the meaning of spiritual practice altogether, such as like Don Juan and Black Elk experience. Not in the context of American Indian tradition as such at all, but in the context of the implication behind it -- the Don Juan-ness, Black Elk-ness, Krishnamurti-ness. The implication behind it, what they have left for us to work, rather than what they have to say is become important.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559#t=1284.0,1335.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559/transcript/85024/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So in a sense that in America or in the Western world altogether, what we really have to do is we disregard their words, absolutely completely, regard them as rubbish. Their words are just a collection of terminologies, ideas that were brought up. But how they represent as situation, the Black Elk-ness of his whole being, Don Juan-ness of his whole being, Krishnamurti-ness his whole being, his existence.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559#t=1335.0,1379.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559/transcript/85024/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When I met Krishnamurti, as a person he was beautiful, extremely beautiful. He was-- he reminds me of an old baby, they just groping with the things, putting in mouth. He was very gracious and serving tea and sitting there, referring everybody as \"sir\" and \"madam.\" He was very beautiful as infant. He was ideal infant. [Laughter] As soon as we had this television program, he switch onto something else absolutely different. He dressed himself up with a crown and staff, the gowns of all kinds. That there was authority in him. Still underneath that there was-- there's a feeling of infant playing or teenagers playing \"Cowboys and Indians.\" One never knows whether he related with the cowboys or the Indians, [laughter] but he was doing something. Either he was the cowboy or the Indians. He was fighting somebody, somewhere, in the mythological opponent.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559#t=1379.0,1485.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559/transcript/85024/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Same thing could be said as from that of Don Juan, for instance. That he tried to reach somewhere, some situation. But his pursuit is, if you really know him, talk to him, and tell him, \"Don't you think what you're doing is foolish? Why don't you be yourself as Don Juan?\" He will say yes. He definitely would say yes. Particularly when-- what's his name Cast--\r\n\r\n\r\nAUDIENCE: Castaneda.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Castaneda. Casta...?\r\n\r\n\r\nAUDIENCE: Casta-neda.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559#t=1485.0,1528.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559/transcript/85024/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Castaneda was approaching him. That he's-- Castaneda become a toy for Don Juan. He wasn't sure whether he should play the game of infant or the teenager. He was tossing him around which is uncompassionate in some sense we could say, because Castaneda is going to publish a book on him. Probably he didn't know exactly what does mean publishing book in the world outside in the Western world, and millions of people reading that. There was trick, economic game, philosophical game.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559#t=1528.0,1580.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559/transcript/85024/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Black Elk is quite different from that, on the other hand. He was telling stories of failures of the Indian tradition in America, North America. In a sense that Black Elk was much more inspired and more willing to try with situation than Don Juan, from that point of view. His performance, meeting with Queen Elizabeth, as referred is grandmother of Canada, was beautiful description. That he was open to any kind of situation, except that un-- as well as that his search had mean that he had to give up his basic security and his basic inspiration as leading life of American Indian. He went away altogether and he worked with those people.\r\n\r\n\r\nIt is unfortunate that there wasn't enough Druids, could come themselves out and present their sense of definite qualities of Druid tradition, as far as Western tradition is concerned.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559#t=1580.0,1721.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559/transcript/85024/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"All these things what we are discussing, on the whole, in terms of spiritual practice is concerned, that we should be definitely clear that we are not talking about cults of all kinds, concept of all kinds, in terms of their religious practice which involves with the archeological approach, at all. That what we are discussing this case is how could we bring together all of-- altogether that sense of spirituality in its living situation, living tradition. That Don Juan lived as a simple person. Black Elk had experienced the sense of transition, invasions and fights of all kinds -- in the midst of that he had a chance to see his visions, whatever.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559#t=1721.0,1790.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559/transcript/85024/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And one of the situations that Black Elk is involved in his-- one of the biggest deception that has ever deceived Black Elk in his life was that Western spiritualists told him there is hope for the future, that there is going to be meeting point between American Indians and Western traditions. Through end of his life he's been deceived by that. Hoping that Western spirituality or spiritualist approach of receiving message and future promises, sense of future promises become one of the spiritual devirginizing process of Black Elk's experience. He was a virgin until that situation came, and then he begin to open his mind: \"There may be some hope that we might able to work with white man.\" That was devirginizing process that had developed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559#t=1790.0,1889.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559/transcript/85024/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So you see the whole point of spirituality and religion from that sense, and that religion constantly deflower the spiritual innocent, constantly, if I could use such term. [Laughs] That's always a problem. Religion provides security, definite sense of what is, what isn't. And hope, possibilities of savior, being saved. Spirituality is open mind, open situation. Hope doesn't mean anything, fear doesn't mean anything, developing doesn't mean anything. It's constant flow of waves and waves and waves, like the ocean. That always seem to be always difficult situation that developed.\r\n\r\n\r\nI'm sorry, I'm not holding grudge against anybody. That was past, somewhat, which becomes a study situation of present situation.\r\n\r\n\r\nWe could have discussion on that. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559#t=1889.0,1974.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559/transcript/85024/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 1]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: Would you comment on the references in Don Juan to seeing people as they are? Like I've got a force field, in the shape of an egg with force coming from the navel. And particularly the navel climbing on the rocks and reaching out with the force field and holding onto a rock in order to jump across the...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well it seem that what we discuss already last time was that luminous egg that what Don Juan talks about is symbolism, in which that it is active situation. That you have no body, no ego, as one entity, one solid egg. But your egg is made out of bundles of threads, circulations, emotions, impulse, concepts of all kinds, except exactly the same as what Buddhist talks about terms of the five skandha principle. And because of that that you communicate with it. Umbilical cord that he talks about is seem to be ignorance, that there is something, some link, which could be either source of complete enlightenment or as it could be complete confusion.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559#t=1974.0,2075.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559/transcript/85024/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 2]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Could you talk more about spirit?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Spirit?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: When you said spirit in the sense of spirituality.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It's a sense of dignity. Like spirit of working together, spirit to having revolution, and spirit of assembling building, inspiration. Religion, on the other hand, doesn't have the spirit, because it is demanded situation: either do it or not do it. Spirit on the other hand has inspiration. The spirituality of the spirit is a self-creative situation, from that sense.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559#t=2075.0,2131.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559/transcript/85024/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 3]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: Spirituality says that-- it seems that spirituality says that something has to change. Every spiritual teaching comes with recommendation of some kind, that people should change the way they are. What should they change, and from what to what?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well you see, you can't have idea of changing, unless you know what you are, where you are. In other word you should change from your clothes to the-- your dirty clothes to the clean clothes. Which means that you acknowledge that you have dirty clothes on you, therefore you change into the clean clothes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559#t=2131.0,2188.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559/transcript/85024/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 4]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: How do you feel that Gurdjieff's teaching fits into these religions?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Ah, that's another matter. [Laughs; laughter] Mr. Gurdjieff was extraordinary and beautiful person. He almost, *almost*, fits into the level of siddha, but not quite made it. \r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER: Why not? \r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Because he didn't communicate with his people enough--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Siddha [INAUDIBLE]?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --transmitting his message. In other word we could say that lineage that Gurdjieff's teachings developed, there is no sense of transmission, terms of lineage, but it was just purely myth be handed down, by one generation, another generation. In other word there's no lineage, in terms of transmitting the teaching of his craziness, his beauty, as Mr. Gurdjieff it was-- as was. And nobody cared to do that actually, at all. That was one of the very disappointing things, that such spiritual teacher could leave people suspended, but it seemed that his suspension also means lot. That there was sense space, sense of confusion.\r\n\r\n\r\nAnd constantly Gurdjieffians are borrowing ideas from the Bhagavad Gita, the Dharmapada, or the Tibetan tradition [TIBETAN] BOOK OF THE DEAD or whatever. They have to borrow constantly, they have to set up their study courses. According to Gurdjieff's teaching you belong to the foundation, but at the same time you have to study, you have to set up your little kiosks to study those other teachings. [Laughs] I mean that act automatically is a symbol of you are not being independent. That you had to constantly borrow ideas rather than working with Gurdjieff's inspiration of THE TIBETAN BOOK OF THE DEAD or the Bhagavad Gita, whatever. There is sense of that *you* have to do-- you have to justify Gurdjieff's teaching is valid because of those things, is becomes so-- more of manmade landscape, rather than nature-made landscape. And Mr. Gurdjieff is one of the sane and beautiful person that does exist in the early twentieth century, transcending the spiritual inspiration of Blavatsky of Theosophy school and other things, like you have-- what's his name? Founder of the Order of the Golden Dawn?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: [Samuel Liddell] MacGregor Mather.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: MacGregor Ma--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No. No, it's--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: [Rudolph] Steiner?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: [Aleister] Crowley. Crowley. Crowley.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Crowley, yeah. Crowley. Crowley! Gurdjieff-- Mr. Gurdjieff stands out as a definite person, beautiful person, crazy person, really enlightened in some sense. But there was some communication that hasn't been communicated to-- that he ignored the abhisheka principle, transmission. That seem to be Gurdjieff's hang-up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559#t=2188.0,2432.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559/transcript/85024/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 5]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: It's interesting that he himself, according to available information, attained whatever he attained spiritually by going around to a lot of different traditions studying them. Just from a general picture of spirituality being presented to him somehow in the beginning, that he went around and studied all the traditions. So in what you just said it seems that he set up a situation for his students which reflect his-- reflects the situation that he himself was in, the situation he himself learned in.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: But he didn't accomplish it completely, somewhat. And there's sense of that something is un-- not completed.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: He seemed to create the atmosphere of the seeker, somewhat.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. Yeah, I mean he is a… he's beautiful person. He really is *definite*, enlightened from that sense.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: Certain words about him [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. But he didn't communicate enough in terms of transmission. Quite possibly that he has enough-- so many people around him are powerful and intelligent, so didn't want to lay trips on any one person to become his successor. That always seem to be the problem, in that [P. D.] Ouspensky made a goof. And his approach was really ludicrous, if I may say so. And that destroys Gurdjieff's teaching, really, somewhat, but hadn't managed to do it completely, because there's craziness of Gurdjieff coming through, nevertheless of whatever comes through.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559#t=2432.0,2542.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559/transcript/85024/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 6]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: [INAUDIBLE] affect his own attainment?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: Does this affect his own attainment? Because at a certain stage you have to be able to transmit it.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I mean, yeah, I mean that's--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: That's in fact what he said, that you have to achieve what you've done before you can go on.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well he didn't tell them how to do it properly. It seem that he died too early, from that sense.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: Well are you suggesting that he should have picked one particular person [INAUDIBLE]--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, I do. I definitely do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559#t=2542.0,2581.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559/transcript/85024/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 7]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: Are you saying then that spirit is kind of nondwelling situation, not dwelling anywhere?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think so, yeah. Spirit is-- the real idea of spirit, which means that you have booster, vigor. Vigor does not dwell on anything, vigor does not perch. It becomes natural process of being itself and thronged with ideas [laughing] of all kinds of energies.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559#t=2581.0,2626.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559/transcript/85024/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 8]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Rinpoche, in terms of what you were saying about Krishnamurti, could we look at it in-- you say that we're sort of faced with a paradox of, on one hand being confused and wanting to be un-fucked-up, but on the other hand there sort of being nowhere to go. And that people like Krishnamurti, or any of the practices that you mentioned, only deal with one aspect, that--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: --but [INAUDIBLE] but that spiritual practice [INAUDIBLE]--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, that's right, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: --both. Is that?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, that's right, yeah. I mean Krishnamurti is a beautiful person. He is really-- he knows what he's talking about, absolutely, none-- without any doubt. But at the same time what he's talking about is only one direction. That approach is a cultural, spiritual approach. There is no sense of emotions involved at all. There is no sense of practices involved at all. It's purely dry and cultural. If you might call him, Krishnamurti could be called as a spiritual geographer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559#t=2626.0,2719.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559/transcript/85024/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 9]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: So as students do we have to hold both sides of the paradox? That sort of equally intensely realize the futility and equally intensely do the practice?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well as students that they shouldn't be limited to one thing, they had to be considering all kinds of possibilities. Particularly if you going to relate with the living situation, that you have the sense of sociological implication of the world, philosophical implication of the world, economic implication of world, and spiritual, so that you are able to see the all, whole thing as very critically. You don't develop ideal situation to begin with, but you develop critical situation to begin with. You see the whole thing as it is, in the sense of all-accomplishing space, as far as students concern, it should develop. I mean the student might say that \"I'm not the type of-- who involve with the sociological scene.\" That's not true. You have to relate with your own sociological situation of how you relate with others. And somebody might say, \"I'm not psychological type. I just purely restrict myself in just practicing the teaching, meditating, sitting, alone.\" But then that automatically means is if you sit, you have to sit with some environment of dealing with others. So in other word that we can't find exclusive situation, at all, we have to deal with the whole situation from that sense.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: So is that-- is the practice that we're transcended the notion of either practice or futility of practice?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559#t=2719.0,2831.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559/transcript/85024/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 10]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: I've heard Krishnamurti say that mantram dulls the mind. My reaction to that was that maybe it's okay if it dulls the mind. There seems to be a sharpness to Krishnamurti's mind that is like sitting in the classroom while it rains outside, not being outside and experiencing the rain. What about his reaction to it-- to mantram?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: He would say \"trying to relive myth.\" If you're asking the question to me as Krishnamurti, that's what I would say.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: And what would you say as yourself? [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [Laughs; laughter] I would say… [unknown incident or gesture;  laughter] The practice of mantra [clears throat; laughter] confuses your mind, because there are syllables that you have to relate with, to begin with. And then again that you are not quite in contact with the tradition or the culture that person-- particularly if you are a beginner, you're-- you'll just be introduce to the culture. You have no idea of what Tibetan tradition or Indian tradition are at all. So suddenly if you are be given mantra, that you have this foreign language being imposed on you, and one doesn't know, it's only thing to do is trying to work friendly to that particular object that been present to you. As though like Aborigines receiving gift of transistor radio, is trying to relate with something that’s safe. At least it's not going to explode and destroy you, but trying to work with the dials, so the-- until you find the good music coming of it. It's that kind of thing, it always happens with the people who are giving mantra just out of nowhere, is that Aborigines receive radio set. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: Are-- in using a mantram, are we engaging in kind of a futile effort to become Aborigines ourselves, or it is something that has some kind of life for even Western minds?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I would say both. At the same time, if somebody plays that radio set in the midst of Aborigine community, he who handles that particular radio set, he regarded as a warrior. And others just don't have to regard themselves a particular threat, make fun of it, just purely listen to kind of stations, whatever. That's what then happen, that somebody has-- sings \"Hare Krishna\" or whatever in the midst of nowhere. They begin to listen as though they play radio set. But they don't know how the radio operate-- radio set operates, whether it is based on battery or electricity or whatever. They don't have to work that way through. The only thing which means is that they could hear the sound.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559#t=2831.0,3108.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559/transcript/85024/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 11]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: Do you see any directions that aren't being considered in your own dealing with your own students?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Aggressions? What?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: Directions that aren't being considered in your own dealing with your own students, for any particular reason?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Directions?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: In other words if you were apart from the situation, criticizing the situation itself, would you see any directions?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: Directions.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: Directions.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Criticisms?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: That aren’t being considered by the situation with you and your students?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Which is the problem?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: Pardon?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What is the problem?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: Well I'm just saying, is there any obstruction involved with--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I don't see anything at all, because my students involved, like yourself, is concern is that there is sense of presenting the case as it is. And also there's presenting the case become mysteries-- mysterious. And both situation work together, so I don't see anything-- any problematic situation at all. Because in some sense that every individuals of my students have a personal relationship, whether that relationship might consist of ten minutes of interview, whatever, just quick glance on them, still that's relationship. That I feel very safe. To begin with, one of the question is that cut out their existing trips, which provides enormous foreground, enormous foundation. Everybody told to be cut off their love-and-light, materialistic, spiritual trips of all kinds. If they give up drinking, have three sips of wine glass; if they give up smoking, three puffs. See what happens. Let's work together then. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559#t=3108.0,3256.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559/transcript/85024/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 12]\r\n\r\n\r\nUNCONFIRMED ALLEN GINSBERG: What have you thought about Whitman's transmission of spirit in America?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What transmission?\r\n\r\n\r\nUNCONFIRMED ALLEN GINSBERG: Whitman. Walt Whitman's transmission of spirit in America.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What is Walt?\r\n\r\n\r\nUNCONFIRMED ALLEN GINSBERG: Walt Whitman, do you know his work [INAUDIBLE]?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I don't [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nUNCONFIRMED ALLEN GINSBERG: Whitman.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm?\r\n\r\n\r\nUNCONFIRMED ALLEN GINSBERG: Poet, Walt Whitman.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: It's like [Ralph Waldo] Emerson.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. His transmission?\r\n\r\n\r\nUNCONFIRMED ALLEN GINSBERG: Of spirit, in America.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think--\r\n\r\n\r\nUNCONFIRMED ALLEN GINSBERG: Have you ever considered that in relation to the other [INAUDIBLE]?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I think so, yeah. I mean the whole approach is, from that point of view, is very abstract. I mean I don't consider somebody's point of view to the community or the-- my students, my people. But they just present themselves, which works themselves out. If they have difficulty listening to-- taking part in a seminar, by staying too late in last night, \"Take good nap, and then wake up, don't force himself. It's okay, you haven't missed anything.\" It seem to be very simple, in that sense. I mean it's a human approach, from that sense, rather than mysterious-guru approach.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559#t=3256.0,3359.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559/transcript/85024/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 12]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Rinpoche, when you said that Krishnamurti would say that the-- what is-- what did-- what does he mean by the reliving of myth? Trying to do it the way someone else did? Is that [INAUDIBLE]-- ?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, because somebody-- it already become past, doesn't apply at present. So therefore meditating is also myth, from Krishnamurti's point of view.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: But do you recognize anything like tathagatagarbha?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No. Absolutely not.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Well, then he doesn't really recognize spirit, in the sense that you've been talking.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: He does.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: He does?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: As appreciation of beauty.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: Unconditioned mind?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Appreciation of beauty, yeah. Somewhat unconditioned mind, but that's-- he wouldn't call tathagatagarbha. He would be offended if you call it that.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Well would he recognize the law--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: He recognizes--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: --of cause and effect?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: The law of cause and effect?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No, I wouldn't say. He doesn't. That's shit.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: So in other words his apprec-- his sense of appreciation is very independent of people.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Of things as they are. There's a rain, maybe as way we get up in the morning with our dressing gown, pajama, that you see the rain falling down, you see the sun rise, and look at, appreciate. That is your meditation. That's analogy of meditation.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: But then, does he work with the ego, the sense of the ego?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: He what?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Does he work with the sense of the ego?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: He wouldn't say. That's very beautiful thing about him. He wouldn't commit himself to anything subtle like that at all. He just present things as they are. And things like saying that \"mantra dulls your mind\" and \"religious practice also becomes stupid recreating of recreation. There is no sense in it at all, none whatsoever.\" It's humanistic Buddhism, I would say. Krishnamurti could be said as humanistic Buddhism.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: He-- in that sense he wouldn't really have dealt-- I mean he doesn't talk of ego but he wouldn't have-- he would have a very independent ego, or would he as a-- I don’t--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I don't know, I never asked him. [Laughter] He regard himself-- his practice-- in what his practice involved: playing golf, reading comics--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: Tying his shoe.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --detective novels. That's his practice. He never meditate, he never do anything at all. Even he doesn't prepare his talks. He's not involved with any kind of recent books or recent [UNCLEAR: relationships?]. Which is very beautiful in fact. It's fantastic! That somebody who just pure read the comic rest of your life, could say such thing, [laughter] profound thing. I mean it's amazing! It's very beautiful. [Laughs; laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559#t=3359.0,3587.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559/transcript/85024/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 13]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: Rinpoche, there's still something I don't understand. When I heard Krishnamurti say that, \"The mantram dulls the mind,\" I said to myself, \"For God's sake, let's dull this mind.\" And there seems to be a sharpness there, but it somehow seems incompatible to human seeing. And I was wondering if you could point the way through that one.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I mean, that's saying the same thing. That mantra dulls your mind -- it does actually, no doubt about that. If you regard the mantra as just purely mantra, it obviously put you to sleep. That's why the people call it as being high on mantra or whatever. Or the Kundalini practitioners call it as getting off, whatever. It obviously does dull your mind. And they take pride that they develop some particular way of that you can able to dull your mind.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: Is it that it introduces a kind of spacious quality?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I would say it introduce confusion. I'm in agree with Krishnamurti from that point of view, absolutely hundred percent.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: The proposition that confusion is useful?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Be careful. [Laughter] That's very sensitive, yeah. Confusion is source of openness, yeah, but still, as-- if you do it without intelligence, that dulls your mind, so that you would never look again, double-take. If confusion doesn't become a source of confusion again, which means you need a double-take. So now let's look, what's confusion, who am I? What am I?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: But that sharpness of mind and that confusion that the mantra introduces-- sharpness of mind. Let's say of Krishnamurti, when he makes a statement like that, it seems to be like a very limiting factor.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [INAUDIBLE] that does, particularly if he's going to do that again and again in the rest of his life. Because there is no teaching, in the sense of gradual process of getting into higher realms of tantra. There's a slight possibilities Krishnamurti might teach tantra, but he doesn't really want, at the same time he does want. Let's wait and see in his next talks, next book. 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And the young people sitting behind, standing up, asking outrageous question. Those two combinations makes him outrageous, somewhat, yeah. It's very manic. I would appreciate with his confusion or his outrageousness -- I could understand him.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: There seems to be like a very high-strung quality to that.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Very much so. It's too many--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: It almost seems like a kind of... well, extreme neurosis. Extreme trust in the mind, extreme trust in duality of the mind, rather than in the spacious quality.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. That's his approach, that's where his logic is developed.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: Seems to stand at the--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, space is threatening, connected with religion. That he supposedly involve with spirituality, which is the logical conclusion of faith. I mean there's tremendous beauty in Krishnamurti. I have recommended a lot of his books to my student, to begin with, just to get off their regular ideas of spirituality and all kind of spiritual materialistic approach.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: He's standing at the gates of the temple but--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: --not diving in.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Something like that, yeah. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559#t=3776.0,3898.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559/transcript/85024/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 15]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: How could he teach tantra [INAUDIBLE]--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Let's wait and see. That's premature to say. He might be saying something outrageous, so much so that it becomes outrageous approach. And there's possibilities of that.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: Do you think his mind is getting old?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Usually people teach tantra when they get old. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: Why? That seems rather [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: I mean, do you think he's drying up?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: Do you think he's drying up?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I hope not. I hope he have-- would have wild time before he dies. [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559#t=3898.0,3943.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559/transcript/85024/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: CLOSING]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: We should stop that point. It seem to be getting rather old.\r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559#t=3943.0,3945.60988"}]},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559/transcript/85025","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["19720509VCTR1-Captions [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161710/file/293559/transcript/85025/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ARP SLATE: This is the Venerable\nChogyam Trungpa Rinpoche,\nUniversity of 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