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Defeating the advisor requires a sudden unmasking. This is accomplished through formless meditation, which dissolves the structures of mind. Once the spiritual advisor is defeated, the castle of ego is completely conquered and disappears. We find ourselves back in the original no-man's-land before the castle of ego was built. This talk is partly an open dialogue with the audience.\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication"]},"value":{"en":["UNPUBLISHED"]}},{"label":{"en":["Transcription Credits"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eJun 22 2022 to Jul 19 2023 Transcribing: Sophie Perks Checking: Ella Milligan Final Proof: Travis May Other Contributors: Lynn Friedman, Warner Dick\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003e© Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Year"]},"value":{"en":["1970"]}}],"summary":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eIn the quest to dismantle the metaphorical castle of ego, it is time to conquer the king's spiritual advisor (representing higher, more subtle consciousness). Defeating the advisor requires a sudden unmasking. This is accomplished through formless meditation, which dissolves the structures of mind. Once the spiritual advisor is defeated, the castle of ego is completely conquered and disappears. We find ourselves back in the original no-man's-land before the castle of ego was built. This talk is partly an open dialogue with the audience.\u003c/p\u003e"]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003e\u0026copy; Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved -\u0026nbsp;Not to be Distributed or Reproduced\u003c/p\u003e"]}},"provider":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["Chogyam Trungpa Digital Library"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["Chogyam Trungpa Digital Library"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/209/original/cti-library-logo-blue-text.png?1672724952","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/273/487/small/open-uri20250521-778-z10ae2?1747839466","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148901/file/273487","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 1 - open-uri20250521-778-lgrhfx.mpga"]},"duration":3804.68244,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/273/487/small/open-uri20250521-778-z10ae2?1747839466","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148901/file/273487/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148901/file/273487/content/1/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-cti.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/273/487/original/open-uri20250521-778-lgrhfx.mpga?1747839466","type":"Audio","format":"audio/mpeg","duration":3804.68244,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148901/file/273487","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148901/file/273487/transcript/80082","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["19701229VCTR1-Transcript [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148901/file/273487/transcript/80082/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[19701229VCTR1 - Public Seminar - Karme Choling - Battle of Ego I - Talk 5]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]\r\n\r\n\r\nARP SLATE: This is the Venerable Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche. Seminar entitled \"Battle of Ego,\" held at Tail Of The Tiger, Vermont. This is talk number five, December 29th, 1970. This is an ARP digital remaster made October 2005.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148901/file/273487#t=0.0,18.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148901/file/273487/transcript/80082/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: MAIN TALK]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Here that we have accomplished the process of uprooting the structure of ego, up to this point. And next process seems to be the working on this spiritual advisor. The basic nature of spiritual advisor is very complex. But let's look into the idea of spiritual-- definition of spiritual. What do mean by \"spiritual\" in this case? It is that idea of transcendental concept. Or the idea of heart. Because generally, we talk in terms of spirituality, it is either high or deep, something deep-rooted or something all-pervading. It's the heart of whole ultimate hypocrisy of ego is based on spirituality.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148901/file/273487#t=18.0,189.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148901/file/273487/transcript/80082/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And in a sense, the prime minister and his skill is also derived from his faith and his determination and his belief that the king is the defender of the faith. And he is the servant of the king, so he is directly linked with the defender of the faith under god, which strengthens him so much in his skill of diplomacy as well. So this seems to be one of the most crucial point in ego and its structure. And it consist of extension of energy, a certain kind of energy which the lower part of the kingdom couldn't handle. So therefore, they had to create a kind of administration of its own kind, the church. And this particular kind of administration of spirituality or the theory of spirituality is very intricate and very sharp. It has the quality of working on truth. For that matter, working on false, but presenting both truth and false as validity point. That's the function of a spiritual advisor.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148901/file/273487#t=189.0,322.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148901/file/273487/transcript/80082/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In other word, there is a tremendous confusion and ignorance involved in whole administration of ego. But at the same time, all these had to be presented in a very dignified way, because it is associated with this kingdom of ego. It should be presented in a majestic way; there should be quality of royal air about it. So if the whole function of administration of ego happens to be a bit shaky and false, or involved in self-deception, then it is the duty of spiritual advisors to present as a divine sacred message. In other word, the basic twist, this basic twist, which means saying lie or false as truth, convincing it, believing it, reaffirming it. This happens with the situations of our case, always. Whenever there is any situation of not going along with the pattern of life, and if we have to-- if we have to change the direction into our wish, our ego's wish, that we find a very beautiful and skillful way of distorting that, presenting that as the only fact, the only answer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148901/file/273487#t=322.0,459.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148901/file/273487/transcript/80082/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And often you have to play deaf and dumb. And not only that but, in so-called transcending ego's pattern, that if we got to this point of having conquered the king and still there is the nonduality and still there is the open space and surrendering and everything's happened, reinforced by joy and sense of humor and everything. But still, there's some *thing*, still it's centralized somehow or other. It is centralized tactic, it is centralized process. It's not really completely open process. And that centralized process could develop into a further extension of ego's administration, under the disguise of church, so to speak. As doctrine.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148901/file/273487#t=459.0,535.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148901/file/273487/transcript/80082/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And it is well known in the traditionally that there are four types of meditation practices that has been purely on the basis of ego and attaining egohood. The limitless space, where you have a conceptualized idea of space and limitless, and you attune yourself as you are attuning to higher thing. The higher the law still plays great deal important part in this case. And so you find yourself involving into limitless space. And so and so on: limitless consciousness; and emptiness; and not emptiness and emptiness, which is highest state where question even doesn't arises at all. The-- this ego's achievement of meditation or higher spiritual state is very subtle and very profound in its own way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148901/file/273487#t=535.0,621.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148901/file/273487/transcript/80082/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But whole thing is very much based on authority of advisor, spiritual advisor. As well as in mundane problems that arises up in our situations. That whenever there is-- everything's accordance with the ego's policy and the ego's doctrine, then obvious thing to do is just spiritual advisor should come and interrupt it, according to the bible of ego. And represent in its own validity, which is basic twist. That you could tell someone that \"this is that, this and that,\" in very simple way of the reality. But then, it is be taken in and examined and reprocessed and then churned out almost exactly the identical wordings, identical ideas, but something is being changed. It is been changed in terms of convenience of proving your existence along with that, even though their doctrine particularly might say that nonexistence of yourself as such. But still, somehow one tend to get around to it and present it in this way. The nonexistence of yourself means that you have to reaffirm yourself as nonexistence. [laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148901/file/273487#t=621.0,740.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148901/file/273487/transcript/80082/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So all the time there is trying to make some central authority all the time. Reaffirming process and trying to make a show that you have understood properly. And when person begin to feel that he-- person hasn't understood anything properly, begin to feel very uncomfortable, discomforting. And that seems to be the right point, where the meeting of king and the spiritual advisor, when that discomfort begin to arises, that's the ego demanding of some solidity, some centralized norm. And automatically, one seek for the closest situation where you could bring yourself back to the comfort. And that comfort is very much, of course, based on centralized thing. So such intricate kind of work of spiritual advisor, in this case, is very...sophisticated. Could say it's very profound thing. And in this case, a lot of people begin to feel that if they begin to able to understand this profundity, then this is it. Because understanding this type of egohood profundity brings you reward, reassurance, joy. The other aspect somehow doesn't; it's very dull and simple. And too direct and too simple. Something irritating [laughing] about it. [laughter] There's nothing coziness about it. It's hard truth opposed to soft truth. [laughs; laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148901/file/273487#t=740.0,883.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148901/file/273487/transcript/80082/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, now we have to go to the study of how we going to turn the spiritual advisor inside out. It's a question of unmasking that's important. But it should be in terms of your own experience, our own experience, of meditative state. That if we achieved as far as the level of surrendering the possessiveness of the consciousness. And where we go from there to the situation of dealing with the spiritual pride of advisors. But again, this should be abrupt, and most of all, this probably is the most sudden method of all, opposed to the others. It is again, of course, a decentralizing process. It's meditative state. Suggestions?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148901/file/273487#t=883.0,993.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148901/file/273487/transcript/80082/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: DISCUSSION PART 1]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: Doesn't the spiritual advisor take credit for the victories of the space entering and deposing the guards and the generals and ministers and the king?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: He could. This is a very cunning quality about spiritual advisor. He could interpret everything, because he predicted this would happen to this kingdom.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148901/file/273487#t=993.0,1027.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148901/file/273487/transcript/80082/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: DISCUSSION PART 2]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Can I ask a question of-- going back. Before it was not clear to me that it's-- when you said yesterday that the submission of the king was the first meeting with the guru, sort of what you said, did you mean was the guru an external person, or was this the inner guru?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, that could be said in both ways. It could be external guru that you literally have to submit, you have to churn out all your positive and negative reservations and surrender properly to the guru as external person. Or else acknowledging these situations within yourself and surrendering. But it seems more likely, this case, this battle is so much of battle, which is altogether not advance practice at all. It's very amateurish practice in spiritual path, because it is battle. Therefore, more likely it should be a physical guru, rather than one's own inner guru, which could be very dangerously interpreted in terms of refer back to the spiritual advisor.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148901/file/273487#t=1027.0,1125.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148901/file/273487/transcript/80082/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: DISCUSSION PART 3]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: What happens to the ego when a person becomes schizophrenic?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, ego is schizophrenic. [laughter] And there is a different... a different degree of enlightenment. You see, that we have all the qualities of claustrophobic, paranoia, schizophrenic and all the rest of it, all these qualities *in* ego. Ego is composed of those. And its depends on the situation of the person how much these things becomes self-intoxicating.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148901/file/273487#t=1125.0,1192.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148901/file/273487/transcript/80082/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: DISCUSSION PART 4]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: It seems that that something still has to be-- you even said that something central still has to be relinquished. And the only thing I can understand is that somehow knowing at all, anything, has to be relinquished. So that, you know, in the sense that-- sense you said the king was consciousness. But the spiritual advisor must also be consciousness in this sense also, in some way.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: And somehow the very habit of consciousness in this sense, at all, it has to expire at that point.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You see, the subtlety of consciousness terms of king, in this case, is very much of administrative kind of consciousness. It doesn't look for intellectual consciousness. It's very much a mechanism, part of the whole structure as though king was the switchboard. Which he is. And in the case of the spiritual advisor's level, the consciousness becomes subtle. But it doesn't-- actually doesn't react anymore at all. That's the hypocritical part of the spiritual advisor. It just look into and trying to twist.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: It's knowledge for its own sake.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Knowledge own sake, yes. It's the idea of “I am, that as I am.”","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148901/file/273487#t=1192.0,1334.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148901/file/273487/transcript/80082/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: DISCUSSION PART 5]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: All that is-- all that is ego? All that stuff?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: All that is ego?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's the subtlety--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: All that about-- I mean, the \"I am\" and all that kind of thing?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's the subtlety of the ego. It's the heart of the ego.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148901/file/273487#t=1334.0,1349.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148901/file/273487/transcript/80082/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: DISCUSSION PART 6]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: There's a Christian mystic text called-- text, not text-- *book* called THE CLOUD OF UNKNOWING?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: You know that.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [laughs] Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: It seems like you have to pass through the \"cloud of unknowing.\" [Trungpa Rinpoche laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148901/file/273487#t=1349.0,1378.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148901/file/273487/transcript/80082/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: DISCUSSION PART 7]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: Well, there is a way to know then, isn't there, at this point? There's still a way to know, which is knowing through paradox.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Knowing through?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: Through the paradox. I mean, since there's a twist of the coin, what's good is bad, and what's bad is bad. And so you-- it's just a reflecting device of seeing the good in the bad, and the bad in the good.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: Applying it to yourself in both instances.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. Well, the-- you see, the basic way of dealing with this is not trying to speak their language and disentangle with it-- from it. But provide overall situation of freeing all the disentanglement. You see, by analyzing it, by going through it, doesn't free anyone-- itself-- oneself at all. That's the biggest problem.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: You can't know, you know.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You might know, but then one could also question that knowledge as well. Which goes on and on and on, a vicious circle.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148901/file/273487#t=1378.0,1464.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148901/file/273487/transcript/80082/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: DISCUSSION PART 8]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: Could you give an analogy of a person who's-- who has an ego and is ignorant, and realizes the ignorance of his ego, and surrenders his ego to a guru, and then realizes the truth?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, it doesn't work as simple as that. [laughs; laughter] It's more manual than magic.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: No, I said an analogy.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes, but you said that when the person surrender his ego to the guru and then he realize. I mean, it's not piece of cake, [laughter] that you can give. [laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: I know.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: And it's-- it doesn't seem to be particularly a giving process, but it's operating process. The meeting of the guru is very painful to start with; it's irritating. Because guru acts as kind of mirror. Whatever you projected it begin to show it back to you. So it's kind of operation process where all these battles has been taking place. Operation without using anesthetics. [laughter] Because every operation that being performed on you must witness that operation at the same time. Until that you realize that the idea of operation is your idea, not idea of guru. That you have produced all these problems on yourself. Whereas, the operation is not necessary anymore at all. That's the final biggest disillusionment of all. And that's the moment where the transmission takes place, the meeting of the two mind, two minds. But I don't know what's your question, actually?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: No, I meant like to give an analogy using the nature or a stream or birds or something. Like something concrete.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I can't think anything at moment. [laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148901/file/273487#t=1464.0,1643.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148901/file/273487/transcript/80082/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: DISCUSSION PART 9]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Any suggestions how we could tackle spiritual advisor?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: Sense of humor? [laughter] [Trungpa Rinpoche laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You can use it once at the time. I mean, sense of humor could become an object of refuge, and your sword is blunt already. You can't apply again. [laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: Yeah, spiritual advisor is usually so serious. [UNCLEAR: with oneself?] It seems to be the most serious of all the aspects.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: He is, yes. But he's not be moved by-- if you put your ax in order to communicate, he wouldn't react at all. He would interpret that as some-- another kind of revelation. [laughter] He’s tricky.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148901/file/273487#t=1643.0,1714.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148901/file/273487/transcript/80082/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: DISCUSSION PART 10]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: Have to sacrifice.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Him?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: He'll sacrifice a-- sacrificing one whose attachment to everything he’s seduced, you know. And he's always-- through his spirituality he sort of puts a tag on that he sort of-- that it's his, sort of revelation, sort of, sacrificing [INAUDIBLE]. You know what I mean?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: As long as he has something to work on, he will work very closely with his own belief.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: But he's detached from everything he's doing, like he doesn't put any attachment to it, sort of, you know. He-- it's not his thing anymore, you know. He evolved with it so much.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: But there should be something abrupt; you could show him that.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: Lightning.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: Lightning bolt.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: How you do that?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: I don't know. [Trungpa Rinpoche laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148901/file/273487#t=1714.0,1774.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148901/file/273487/transcript/80082/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: DISCUSSION PART 11]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: Seem to me insecurities.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. You have to take in the material, the stuff that he had to work on.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: [INAUDIBLE]. So you go away from your spiritual advisor. Then he can't work on [INAUDIBLE]. You can only work on yourself.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: And who is *you* in it? [laughter; laughs] That's always a problem, that you might find *yourself* being the spiritual advisor. [laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: The spiritual advisor is your pride.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Epitome, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148901/file/273487#t=1774.0,1823.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148901/file/273487/transcript/80082/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: DISCUSSION PART 12]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: Isn't there a danger of coming to despair suddenly when you're working upon your ego? And you sort of feel that there's nothing really there. You don't know what's there really. And you feel that there's just nothing, you know, hopelessness.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You say disappear?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: Pardon?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Did you say disappear?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: No, I-- if you're looking into yourself and trying to understand yourself, if you're working upon yourself, and you're alone without a spiritual-- without a guru and you come to despair, like isn't that dangerous? Can't do something [INAUDIBLE]--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Guru? Do you mean the spiritual advisor or the guru guru?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: The guru guru.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: But we are not talking about without guru, this particular situation. But the guru may not be particularly helpful at all. He could be very difficult person. Not willing to cooperate with you, [laughter] whenever you want him. This might throw you into a certain amount of despair, yes. But that's still remains his exchange rather than complete despair. Communication is taking place, not answering is answer of its own. Answering is answer of its own.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: Guess you could beat him to death with joy. [laughs; laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's dream coming true. [laughs; laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148901/file/273487#t=1823.0,1954.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148901/file/273487/transcript/80082/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: DISCUSSION PART 13]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: The spiritual advisor depends on thought. Even nondualistic thought is fuel, as much as dualistic thought.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. Very much so.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: So it would seem that if he was presented with thoughtlessness not as a concept but as an energy.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes, I know, but how we going to do it? That's the problem. You see, everything must be dealt with some kind of flash, some kind of sudden abrupt method. And how you going to present thoughtlessness in abrupt method?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: Maybe some kind of question.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's very deliberate. Too deliberate somehow.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER16: It strikes me that in order to be the spiritual advisor he has renounced a lot of things to get there. So, in some level, we've got to get him to renounce that renunciation.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes. But how?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER16: We have to entice him with something.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes, how we going to do--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER17: Get him plastered. [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER17: Get him drunk.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER17: He has to meet the guru too, because he has to somehow be-- that-- be able to see outside of himself or outside of the central play.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Quite, yes, he had to.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER17: So he has to surrender.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes, yes, yes. But we have to provide some way of doing that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148901/file/273487#t=1954.0,2055.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148901/file/273487/transcript/80082/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: DISCUSSION PART 14]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER18: Could you just sort of treat him as if were part of the void himself? Like you would with thoughts? Where his function as spiritual advisor is to give advice and we just sort of devalued his advice. Might that be something we could do?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, that's still regarding him as dualistic object.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER18: Not that you'd reject him just--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No but you-- you're dealing with him as external person. Obviously, when he’s been dealt that way, he's used to it. And he is got his own interpretations.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER19: The spiritual advisor is full of pride, and this has to be emptied out through some kind of humiliation. Bring him down.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, that’s somehow closer to his own belief. That he regard he's a very austere, spiritual person. You begin to feel very... he is kind of being martyr, which is a wonderful thing for him to be.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER20: Well, the only things we have left now are the physical guru and the, I don't know, the intellect, whatever it is that's doing all this attacking.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER20: And the spiritual advisor, that's all that's left.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's right, yes. [laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER20: And the spiritual advisor can't become the physical guru.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: He could, that's danger. He could. But how we going to eliminate before anything happens?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148901/file/273487#t=2055.0,2169.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148901/file/273487/transcript/80082/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: DISCUSSION PART 15]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER21: Does he need to be eliminated? Or can he be changed?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, you might say he could be transmuted since he's very intelligent person. We do need him. [laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER22: Can he do prostrations?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Can he? He find a bit foreign. And certain amount of resistance.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER23: Is he the quality that's transformed into discriminating wisdom, such aspect? He has this attitude problem.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes, he is, eventually. The spiritual advisor's quality continues, but his almost physical existence becomes a kind of very imposing, vivid thing. In this case, the ego’s style of intelligence can be regarded as very rough and sort of a crude thing. So he's still in a crude form.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER24: Well, maybe at that point one gives up-- one stop-- at that point, once-- that's the point at which one stops seeking.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes, precisely but how?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER24: Well, just stop seeking. Like, \"Goodbye guru, goodbye search, and now I'm going to live,\" and then, there no need for spiritual advisor anymore.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's doesn't somehow energetic. Since we put all the energy is coming behind us. I mean, we are living and we are thriving on the energy. We managed to get as far as the king. I mean, theoretically it's all right, but it seems to be such come down practically. [laughs; laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER25: Maybe, at this point, you just become inactive and let yourself be-- respond and be responded to. Just be responding. Totally inactive.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I think that's saying the same thing the previous question. You can't really, sort of, fall your back to nonactive quality.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER25: Well, no, you just do what you do.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: But there must be some spark of intelligence goes with it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148901/file/273487#t=2169.0,2347.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148901/file/273487/transcript/80082/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: DISCUSSION PART 16]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER26: Maybe you perform the chod rite.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Why not?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER26: Right.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: But then, he might take-- partake as well. He said, \"Aha, that’s a good idea, that's interesting thought.\"\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER27: Perform the chod.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You be saying this thing several times. And I’ve been mentioning the... yesterday as well. And it seems very obvious what we need is abrupt gesture of decentralizing. Precise, abrupt gesture, what is that?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER28: Maybe spacing him out.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER28: Maybe if he can space him out, you know, sort of blow his mind by the vastness, by--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: But how?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER28: Meditation? [laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes, but what kind of [laughing] meditation?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER29: [UNCLEAR: You bomb him  in silence?] ?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Some method.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER29: The mahamudra.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER30: Can you space him out, the whole outside spiritual advisor? Everything except spiritual advisor [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Can you make what whole?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER30: By making the whole outside the spiritual advisor and everything except the-- well-- I can't explain it. [laughter] I mean, everything becomes spiritual advisor except for...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, that seems to be the after effect.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER31: Formless meditation.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Of what kind?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER31: Of *that* kind. [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I mean, that hasn't got any energy, just formless. Kind of gentle.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER32: Maybe if you take him to another country, you know a strange exotic land, you know, where he'd never been before.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: For him to establish another church. [laughter; chatter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER33: Missionary work. [laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148901/file/273487#t=2347.0,2519.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148901/file/273487/transcript/80082/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: DISCUSSION PART 17]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: We were getting much closer when we’re talking about formless meditation. Very closer. It should be connected with some kind of practice of something. Too general somehow.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER34: Isn't mahamudra as formless as you can get?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER35: Devotion of some kind?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No, it's not a question of going beyond formless, but the energy within the formless meditation.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER36: Meditation that puts you into the void?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes, that's getting closer.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER37: Can you breathe him in?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER37: Can you breathe [INAUDIBLE]? [laughter] Exhale [INAUDIBLE]. [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It's too domesticated somehow.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER37: Domesticated?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes, it's too much connected with natural function of the body. He must have done hundreds of practices on his training, theological training [INAUDIBLE].[laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER38: [INAUDIBLE] sort of leaping, till he's not there.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER38: But you sort of make that kind of leap in meditation into nonduality. He's not there, so he doesn't function [INAUDIBLE]. A leaping practice? [laughter][Trungpa Rinpoche laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm. [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER39: There's so little left of the structure that he was advising, that it seems that maybe-- that that which was outside the castle to begin with, which was this primal intelligence, which was the same... I mean, he's one with that, right? Including in an active...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You mean spiritual advisor?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER39: Yeah, is that true? I mean, there's nothing left within the ego for him to preside over. Or there's little left.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mmm. Very little. But the last one is going to be very powerful one. I mean, it's going to do anything that you can destroy, because he hasn't got anything left to defend himself. He's going to churn out all sorts of weapons.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148901/file/273487#t=2519.0,2702.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148901/file/273487/transcript/80082/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: DISCUSSION PART 18]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER40: What if he regards himself as a fool?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: As what?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER40: As a fool.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You don't have to regard. He is a fool anyway. [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER40: I gathered that, but maybe that was [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER41: Isn't it sort of like the spiritual advisor's in nirvana, and the rest of the people are in samsara, and the point is to get beyond both?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's very elaborate structure.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER41: Yeah, well, I read [INAUDIBLE]--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well-thought. [laughter; laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148901/file/273487#t=2702.0,2741.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148901/file/273487/transcript/80082/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: TALK PART TWO]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I think we can get back to the point. It is the leap, it seems, the only way, than when it’s just the formless meditation. You see, only way to express the dissolve of this intricate structures of mind. In other word, the spiritual advisor is really the mind itself. The-- it's the mind, just the confused mind without-- even without hatred, without desire, without being hypocrite, all these thing be taken away. It is just become face-to-face with simple mind. Which is simply confused in the simple fashion. So only way to deliver that is the leap, because then there would no little logical conclusions involved at all. So the point is just... in order to show another type of space, there's the leap, the sudden demonstration of the leap. I mean, in the process of the leap, structure doesn't really play important part. Nor are you trying to destroy anyone, or destroy anyone's philosophical or religious convictions or thoughts, but you just take a leap.\r\n\r\n\r\nAnd that's tremendously, extremely powerful thing for the spiritual advisor, like what we were talking yesterday about the disciples of Buddha's got heart attack and died. It's the same kind of thing, because they involved also themselves in a spiritual scene of some kind. And, when they suddenly heard this such idea as shunyata, all-pervading space, is terrifying thought. And moreover, the leaping into it would be horrifying thought. If anyone is well-established and solemn and fixed on any particular idea, it's terribly powerful thing. That's why it is called in the Heart Sutra, \"the greatest spell, the spell that will dissolve all duality.\" GATE GATE PARAGATE PARASAMGATE BODHI SVAHA. Is \"gone, gone beyond, to the awake.\" So it's such kind of heroic gesture, of leaping from fixed situations of even spirituality. You leap out of the nonexistence of anything. So matter is complete now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148901/file/273487#t=2741.0,2936.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148901/file/273487/transcript/80082/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: DISCUSSION PART 19]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER42: What happens to the individual at that point?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Individual?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER42: Or the person?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You mean, the one who is waging the war?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER42: No, no, the one that reached that state.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Sorry?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER42: When one reaches that particular state, what happened?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, there's a tremendous energy, continuous. And there is a complete openness. We are back to the barrened-- you were here the first day of the seminar?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER42: Yeah, sure.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You are back to the barrened--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER42: Grounds.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --ground of the little island.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER43: What do we do with that little stone we found before?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It's gone!\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER44: Can we find any more?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER45: The little what?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: If you want to go all over again, you can find it. But I don't think you can, because each time when you pick one stone that you realize the implication behind the stones, so the stones begin to leap out of your hand.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148901/file/273487#t=2936.0,3017.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148901/file/273487/transcript/80082/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: DISCUSSION PART 20]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER45: Do you think that for a Western man, there is any hope or possibility to reach such stage?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Of course! I've seen people heard in this-- people *are* in that state myself. I have seen people, met people. It's not purely fantasy at all.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER45: How do such people function or live in this world, in everyday world?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: And yet... Everyday world? He eats and he shits, [laughter] and he [laughing] sleeps. [laughter; laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER46: Probably a good business man too, huh?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It can be very skillful business man. [laughter; laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148901/file/273487#t=3017.0,3071.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148901/file/273487/transcript/80082/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: DISCUSSION PART 21]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER47: What chance it-- is there of that thirst returning?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Thirst?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER47: Yes, and the hunger. What chance is there?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I don't think there is any possibilities in that. Because he's already complete. But that such come down is there that, generally, that we would like to have some occupation. But when that occupation is gone, and then [laughing] we are back to nowhere. [laughter] Now what we going to do? [laughter] Like if some architect is employed in a building certain project, and he's been occupied, and he build this particular building and once he finished it or complete it, building and at the end of the accomplishment of his building then what are we going to do? Have to find another job, build another-- more house. [laughs; laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER48: About how many people like this do you know? [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I'm not going to tell you! [laughter; laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER48: I’ll have to find that out by myself. 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It's the different layers, the-- as we get more deeper, then you get to the heart of it. But there is several layers of ego. One is protecting the next layer and another one is protecting next layer, until we come to the heart of it, which is very powerful and subtle. And spiritual advisor is very difficult to get hold of, because so slippery and so cunning. So it is in stages that-- I think one could say it's stages on the path. And so the each stage and each layer has a characteristic of its own.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER51: And stage requires its own time. In other words, all these processes don't take as a-- sort of an explosion. 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It's-- it must be sudden, deliberate action of surrendering, deliberate action of leaping. It's a question of taking away the observer rather than trying to destroy the spiritual advisor as such. Which then takes away all the audience of spiritual advisor.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148901/file/273487#t=3403.0,3534.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148901/file/273487/transcript/80082/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: DISCUSSION PART 25]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER50: I'm-- there seems to be all the time, the way you talk about it, this implication of an automatic process, and then you say spontaneously. So I have the kind of image of spiritual advisor sitting there and the space, and so he hasn't reached that stage yet. And there's actually no decision he can take, but if he just sits there long enough the leap will take place automatically.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes, I think that could be said. Once there's the proper understanding of the structure of ego and the properly understood properly being watchful of the whole structure, then that structure automatically activates as leap. It's the same idea as the manure of experience. That whenever there is a complicated situations involved, that automatically throws you into the simplicity because of such complication involved. I think that's a very natural process.\r\n\r\n\r\nIt's the-- in other word, not regarding ego as something that you should destroy or kill but should go along with it. And each time then, when there's new discovery involves it, it sort of throws you off to the further realization of it. So ego act as kind of bridge or path. And the next problem, of course, is that once you have done one-- done away with the spiritual advisor, then we're back to this barrened ground. What we going to do? That's such come down, isn't it? [laughs; laughter] There's nothing to fight, nothing to...\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER53: Don’t we just become that barrenness?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I would like to have some answers tomorrow. [laughs] This particular point seems to be very important. I mean, a lot of people have the like idea of attaining nirvana and being enlightened person, but then there's no further idea of what situation takes place. I mean, this case it isn't as far as that; it's just simply first process of dealing with the ego, which is the first thing that comes immediately. Almost this level is that we have gone through the teachings of hinayana and mahayana more or less, and the next one is the dealing with vajrayana teaching. How does that function?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER50: You mean, the state in which the ego is been dissolved by this process is not the enlightened state?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No, by any means, no. [laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER54: For elderly man, there's no chance at all.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER54: For elderly man, there's no chance at all. [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think there is tremendous chance.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148901/file/273487#t=3534.0,3762.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148901/file/273487/transcript/80082/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: CLOSING REMARKS]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Perhaps we should stop there now. And I hope you have good answers tomorrow, [laughter] how we going to survive.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER55: This is from our own experience, of course?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Sorry?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER55: We are going to draw these answers from our own experiences. [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Good. [laughter] I'll be proud of you. [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148901/file/273487#t=3762.0,3804.68244"}]},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148901/file/273487/transcript/80083","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["19701229VCTR1-Captions [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148901/file/273487/transcript/80083/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ARP SLATE: This is the\nVenerable Chogyam\nTrungpa 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