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Few references to Marpa's meditation practices; learning and teaching were Marpa's main disciplines.  His understanding largely through the intellect, but had deep understanding of mahamudra and created great yogis and meditators in his students. Story of Naropa blessing him and giving him long and impossible \"koan.\" (In Q\u0026amp;A, Trungpa Rinpoche decodes meaning of its symbolism.) Through Marpa's life, example of how abandoning samsara is not necessary, and importance of intellect. Key story of Marpa's last challenge, going to see Naropa for last time. Importance of understanding the language of the teacher as stepping stone to meaning of teachings. In Q\u0026amp;A, imitating teacher not the point, but discovering your own style, which is vajrayana view, which Marpa did."]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication"]},"value":{"en":["UNPUBLISHED"]}},{"label":{"en":["Transcription Credits"]},"value":{"en":["Dec 17 2019 to Nov 12 2020\nTranscribing: Leandra Ziegler\nChecking: Ella Milligan\nFinal Proof: Travis May\nOther Contributors: Lynn Friedman, Warner Dick"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["© Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced"]}},{"label":{"en":["Year"]},"value":{"en":["1973"]}}],"summary":{"en":["Further details on Marpa's life and teaching style. Few references to Marpa's meditation practices; learning and teaching were Marpa's main disciplines.  His understanding largely through the intellect, but had deep understanding of mahamudra and created great yogis and meditators in his students. Story of Naropa blessing him and giving him long and impossible \"koan.\" (In Q\u0026amp;A, Trungpa Rinpoche decodes meaning of its symbolism.) Through Marpa's life, example of how abandoning samsara is not necessary, and importance of intellect. Key story of Marpa's last challenge, going to see Naropa for last time. Importance of understanding the language of the teacher as stepping stone to meaning of teachings. In Q\u0026amp;A, imitating teacher not the point, but discovering your own style, which is vajrayana view, which Marpa did."]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["© Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced"]}},"provider":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["Chogyam Trungpa Digital Library"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["Chogyam Trungpa Digital Library"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/209/original/cti-library-logo-blue-text.png?1672724952","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/267/357/small/Logo-Audio-Red.png?1741832939","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 1 - 1741832902_19730903VCTR1-Audio-Prod-CTIAutoRmstr-Access.mp3"]},"duration":4645.79918,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/267/357/small/Logo-Audio-Red.png?1741832939","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357/content/1/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-cti.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/267/357/original/1741832902_19730903VCTR1-Audio-Prod-CTIAutoRmstr-Access.mp3?1741832904","type":"Audio","format":"audio/mpeg","duration":4645.79918,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357/transcript/77274","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["19730903VCTR1-Transcript-Timed [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357/transcript/77274/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[19730903VCTR1 - Public Seminar - Karme Choling - The Life and Teachings of Marpa - Talk 3]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]\r\n\r\n\r\nORIGINAL SLATE: This is talk three of the Life and Teachings of Marpa seminar, given at Tail of the Tiger, September, 1973.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357#t=0.0,12.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357/transcript/77274/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: MAIN TALK]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Seems we are running out of time. [laughter] And we have a lot of ground to cover in study of Marpa, and I don't think we could complete our study this particular seminar. But we could do our best to study the basic highlights of principle characteristic of some of Marpa's teaching and his style.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357#t=12.0,75.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357/transcript/77274/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In studying his biography, that there is no reference in extensive disciplines, practices that Marpa has gone through. And the whole thing is learning and teaching, apart from the last visit to Naropa. That he had to spend long and arduous time and trying to meet Naropa; that's the only time that he has to work hard at meet challenge, apart from traveling from Tibet to India. Is naturally very hard thing to do, and purely consist of disciplining oneself in terms of local situations and walking and adjusting himself to food and things like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357#t=75.0,174.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357/transcript/77274/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But there's no outstanding record of that Marpa's hardship and his practices, like Milarepa's case. And often some scholars make that as a point that Marpa was no greater than just purely interpreter or translator, and he did not possess the greatest insight of anything at all. And when Marpa is transmitted his teaching to the disciples, that they begin to become-- they begin to practice, rather than himself. I think that approach is very deceptive. And basically Marpa's training is intellectual one; through the intellect that he begin to develop understandings, a glimpse of mahamudra teachings. And he's accomplished in the yogic practices of six dharmas of Naropa.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357#t=174.0,280.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357/transcript/77274/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It seem to be that Marpa's situation is very unusual to our ordinary Western world. That there's no one like him in terms of somebody who had studied, learned, developed, and then immediately taught. And the teaching process becomes discipline, which is unusual. But that is the case. That Marpa's way of relating with the teaching is similar to that of Rinzai Zen tradition, working with the certain particular koans, puzzles, certain words that were given to him, and he have to work hard on it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357#t=280.0,346.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357/transcript/77274/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"For instance, there's the occasion when Marpa visited Naropa second time, and he offered a feast offering; he sponsored feast offering to him. And Naropa, at occasion of that particular feast offering, and Naropa place his hand on Marpa's head. And those are the lines of a puzzle, lines-- those are the messages but seem to be completely impossible to understand in ordinary sense or logic, which says that, \"The youth who is like the flower in the sky, riding on a horse and wearing the rags of a hair of a tortoise, and holding the dagger which made out of rabbit's horn. The enemy is killed in the-- within the dharmata. And the dumb speaks, and blind sees, and deaf listens, and the crippled runs. And sun and moon simultaneously dawns and blow the trumpet. The young-- the youth still spins their wheel.\" And that's it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357#t=346.0,485.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357/transcript/77274/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Those kind of koan-like things are very unusual for Naropa to give away or even to think in terms of that somebody would understand the meaning of a flower in the sky. And those are the impossible analogies; that according to Buddhist philosophy, that a tortoise cannot grow hair and a rabbit cannot develop horns. And obviously the dumb can't speak and blind can't see and so forth. But it is asking impossible. That somehow or other, the state of mind of Marpa has able to grasp them, able to utilize them completely, which is extremely unusual and surprising.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357#t=485.0,565.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357/transcript/77274/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So in the many cases, we can't compete with Marpa's style of life, and his techniques have development of in terms of discipline. But on the other hand, we can identify ourselves with him because of his life situation as being peasant, farmer, upper-middle class scholar farmer and have to look after his children and economy of householding situations. And at the same time, able to develop or able to realize the enlightened state of mind, which is unusual, extremely unusual.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357#t=565.0,621.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357/transcript/77274/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So the question here is that there's a tremendous room for intellect to develop. And many cases we have a problem, saying that, \"I don't want to intellectualize anything at all. That I would like to get to the nitty gritty of it. That any kind of discipline that is *hot*, living.\" And often, many cases when we're trying to get at the hot and the living disciplines, we find ourselves inadequate to relate with it without having any further understandings of what is-- what they're all about. There had to be some kind of understanding of philosophical comprehension of something seem to be absolutely necessary and tremendously required.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357#t=621.0,677.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357/transcript/77274/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"At the same time, you can also say that the same argument applies, is that you have to give up your household life completely in order to become enlightened person, renounce whole commitment to materialistic world completely. And having done so, then you begin to realize the meaninglessness and impermanence of samsara; which is again, the very tricky question that there's no such thing as you can manufacture the vicious state of samsara by deliberately abandoning them. Which is another misunderstanding, is that you are abandoning samsaric setup as being bad job altogether. That you have nothing to do with it; you want to give up. And now you are associating yourself with the good guys or whatever, which is entirely misunderstanding, big misunderstanding.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357#t=677.0,746.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357/transcript/77274/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So the question of Marpa's particular characteristics are being extraordinary person. The only real sacrifice that he had to go through was towards end of his life when he met Naropa in his third visit. His first visit and second visit are very smooth and hospitable. And his journey to India is, of course, very hard and very difficult. It is, I'm sure, much more harder than Americans hitchhiking to-- across to India. And every area had to be covered by walking; and sacrifice of all kinds were involved. But that is not particular big deal. Including the merchants do that same thing, follow the Silk Route, that importing foreign goods to another countries. The merchants have done same kind of sacrifice at the same time, as much as Marpa did. So that is not particularly big deal.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357#t=746.0,820.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357/transcript/77274/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But one of the interesting point there is that towards end of his life that suddenly all kinds of challenges comes up. That practically nobody can see Naropa. When he went to India last time, Naropa is supposedly disappeared from ordinary human society; and he only associate himself with certain selected people, and he practically become a wild animal. That he doesn't let every Tibetan see his life situation into confirmed-- committing himself into a ordinary level of food and shelter anymore at all. That he become a purely legendary person. That somebody sees Naropa here and there, but nobody can grasp and study with him. That he becomes sort of vajra enigma and from the highest point of tantric approach is concerned.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357#t=820.0,891.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357/transcript/77274/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then Marpa has to work very hard trying to track him down and trying to re-evaluate the whole teacher-student relationship. That is a final kind of process that Marpa has to go through. Reason why it is come the final situation rather than the first level of testing ground, training student level in the ordinary tradition has done is because Marpa is already developed. His potentialities are enormous, much more than any of us. That he has already that particular type or typical type of fortunate, so to speak, or the good coincidentals situation that he was able to tune into.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357#t=891.0,957.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357/transcript/77274/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And as you can see from that example, that that kind approach is highly based on non-blind faith level. Every step of studies that Marpa has made are purely based on comprehending the languages of the teachers and the sense behind the words and intellectual understanding to begin with. And then finally, intuitively comprehending it by teaching, which seem to be very unusual. But that kind of lifestyle is possible.\r\n\r\n\r\nWe could have discussions on that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357#t=957.0,1009.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357/transcript/77274/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 1]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: Rinpoche, you said about Milarepa that he had achieved enlightenment largely because he was so stubborn, and that he didn't really achieve it by stripping out, which you said is another possibility. And you also mentioned that Marpa was very stubborn. How does that relate?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think it's a different type of stubborness. Marpa's approach of stubbornness is simply industrious, in a sense of not giving anything up. And Milarepa's version of stubbornness is also industrious, but at the same time highly emotional one. That he has completely fallen in love to the teachings, and he doesn't want to let go. So less solid and farmer-like, but more of a lost child version of stubbornness, which seem to be slightly different.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357#t=1009.0,1096.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357/transcript/77274/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 2]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: The koan-type words that you read from the book, would that be an example of oral transmission which, when a person reads what actually was said, does not communicate to someone who wasn't there at the time? I'm interested in finding out a little more about what oral transmission is.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, it seem to be oral transmission is -- as I have experienced myself -- it's a half-finished sentence. Can you follow that? There's clue, there's imagery, but it is not defined. And it is half-finished sentence. There are no clause in the speech. It's just a collection of verbs and nouns.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: And also very individual, like one-to-one--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Very individual, yeah. But it is obvious, like if-- like-- it's like same thing as-- if you know the password, somebody just merely have to say the beginning of the password and doesn't have to finish it -- you know it. But it's quite a different from the ordinary password idea is that you have agreement of something: we are going to use \"this\" for \"that,” \"that\" for \"this.\" You use for opening door, you might say \"break the egg\" or something, as password.\r\n\r\n\r\nBut this case, there's no agreement; everything is understood. So there's a cosmic kind of password had developed. That teacher could tell you something, just few sentence at the beginning, without finishing it, and that you automatically pick up that vibration. And it makes tremendous sense at the same time.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: And is that the point at which the lineage goes ahead to that person?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, person has tuned himself into that particular type or style of thinking. And person not so much involved with trying to find out complete explanation in the fullest way, but just person has caught the fever of it, so to speak.\r\n\r\n\r\nThere's another one of those, his last visit of Marpa to India, it says that some imagery at the beginning. The dakinis are the sky flowers. And whispering lineage is a nonexistent boy who rides on a horse without hair of tortoise. Unborn dagger of a rabbit's horn killed Tilopa in the state of dharmata. And Tilopa as dumb, who cannot think, speak, and communicate. And Naropa in turn is the blind who could not see, who could not free himself into the liberation. In turn, the deaf Naropa in a state of dharmata in the mountain of dharmakaya. Marpa, who is the crippled, is walking freely in the level of luminosity and he runs. And Hevajra is like sun and moon. There are many dances but the movements are as one. And, because of that, proclamation of fame is uttered through the sound of a conch shell. And turns the wheel of Chakrasamvara and able to see the spokes in the wheel by the youth without desire.\r\n\r\n\r\nThere's a similar one in the life and teaching of Naropa. Those little messages that, \"tomorrow I'm going to visit the freak show,\" as Naropa has received information. And, \"tomorrow I'm going to do such-and-such thing.\" And Naropa does the same thing and he couldn't find Tilopa. And that these-- there is some kind of pattern in those language. But they mean lot. That's why whole thing is regarded as a self-secret. That if you do not able to understand them, even though you might heard the words, well, doesn't mean anything.\r\n\r\n\r\nI mean, that seem to be one of the most basic principles of transmission, is there is situation of transmission already developed. And so neither of the parties, the teacher and student, doesn't have to try anything at all, just simply initiate the-- execute the idea into it, and the message comes along.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357#t=1096.0,1490.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357/transcript/77274/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 3]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: So as you grow, this-- the message becomes more apparent to you through the conversation?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, better.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: Okay.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357#t=1490.0,1503.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357/transcript/77274/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 4]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Rinpoche, how is it Marpa, who was a farmer, businessman, and concerned principally with his properties, could have seen, could have known to council Milarepa to do something that was entirely foreign to his own life? Namely, to go out into the vastnesses and isolate himself *completely* from the type of life that he himself had known, and thereby find himself.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think that's the point which I was trying to make yesterday, is that the students does not have to imitate style of their masters. And they have to rediscover their own basic-- their makeup, basic style. And as long as they're able to communicate with the message of the lineage and the trend of thought of basic sanity could be followed, the lifestyles doesn't make all that difference at all. And there is that kind of continuity is there.\r\n\r\n\r\nWhich is a purely tantric one, of course. In the ordinary orthodox hinayana, and even mahayana approach, is that everybody should become like each other. The hinayana monks are trying to become like Buddha himself, and dressed in the same way as Buddha, behave in the same way as Buddha, which is a different approach. In the case of vajrayana, that the each particular people are different, and they maintain their style, and without it being feeling bad about their style, or threatened by their style. In fact, their style could be used as stepping stones.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: How could a farmer businessman have had such insight? [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: There are a lot of them in America. [laughter] It doesn't have to be a Tibetan, I'm pretty certain. Farming is no obstacle, and business is not obstacle -- but ego is obstacle. So you can become a greater businessman, a greater farmer if there is no ego. And also great teacher as well at the same time. It is highly possible.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357#t=1503.0,1722.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357/transcript/77274/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 5]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: You said trying to get away from samsaric situations, and associating with the good guys was a misunderstanding of the teaching. Were you saying that in reference to the Naropa or Marpa's [INAUDIBLE] --\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think it's everything, because if you have a particular choice in terms of definite ideas how things should operate, then you are falling into a level of preconceptions. And you are fighting yourself constantly, which in turn defeats oneself.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: Were you implying that Naropa or Tilopa or Marpa had tried to do this at one point?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: In the early stages, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I mean, that's just a very primitive thinking, which everybody does when they begin.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: Sure.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357#t=1722.0,1802.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357/transcript/77274/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 6]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: You made the point that it's not necessary for the student to exactly imitate the lifestyle of his teacher. But when it comes to a meditation technique, isn't the student supposed to follow that example? But not necessarily the rest of his life?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, the technique is-- belongs to everybody. It's general principle, which has nothing to do with lifestyle as such, particularly. So technique is worldwide thing. And one has to keep oneself with the technique. But that one has to keep oneself into that particular techniques, those--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: Put oneself into it?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --particular techniques. Yeah. Follow it--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: [INAUDIBLE WORDS]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --yeah. But that is nothing to do with lifestyle particularly. Lifestyle is the post-meditation styles.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: And that's what you're referring to when you say that vajrayana people have their own different--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, post-meditation experiences--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: -- yeah, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357#t=1802.0,1871.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357/transcript/77274/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 7]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: I'm surprised. I don't get the connections between that-- the words of Naropa that you quoted, with the horns of the hare-- the horn of the hare, and the hair of the tortoise. And how you call this similar to koan. I mean, isn't this just simply poetry and-- which is, seems to me, is comprehended by a different faculty than what's involved in koan? Would you--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No, it's not poetry, by no means. And it shouldn't be regarded as poetry. And, if you regard it as poetry, you are losing a lot of essence in it. It's a statement of facts.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: It's a *fact* a horn's hare [laughter] is the [INAUDIBLE]--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Horns of rabbit is fact, yes. [laughter] That rabbits don't have horns, and they make a dagger out of that. And tortoise doesn't grow a hair, so you make a clothe out of that. It's a fact. It's nothing to do with the poetry at all. I think if you regard it as a poetry, we are cheapening the whole thing. And somebody might feel this is far out experience; you know, \"Wow, what idea.\" [laughter] And you lose the whole essence of it. And it is as much as precise as the Zen koan, if not more.\r\n\r\n\r\nAnd it also stops your mind working out logically, because there's no logic. There's logic of nonexistence of logic, which is the very definite logic, which fuses your dualistic faculties. So they are not poems. Even like songs of Milarepa are not-- should be regarded-- shouldn't be regarded as poetry, particularly. It's facts put together. And happens to be nice to hear, good to listen, good experience, but it is quite a different from the poetry that we are ourselves associated with.\r\n\r\n\r\nAnd that's why the difference between poetry and songs in the-- traditionally, that poetry is not regarded as dohas. Doha is a song of inspiration that is sung on the certain particular time of inspiration, inspired person sings that particular song. So those dohas are not regarded as poems, but it is regarded as songs, which states the facts.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357#t=1871.0,2051.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357/transcript/77274/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 8]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: Naropa speaks of the \"dharmata.\" What is that?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: Naropa speaks of the dharmata -- is that how you say it? What does that mean?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: \"Dharmata\" is: \"Ta\" is equivalent of \"isness,\" \"what is.\" Like you have \"shunyata\": \"shunya\" means \"empty\"; \"ta\" means, \"ness,\" \"emptiness.\" And \"dharmata\" is \"dharma-ness.\" It's the self-existing quality, its thingness, its definite characteristics.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: How is that different from dharmakaya?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, dharmakaya is image and form and idea of a certain level of accomplishment. Dharmata is the environment where the all the kayas could function.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357#t=2051.0,2111.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357/transcript/77274/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 9]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: Was Marpa's steadiness in all the aspects of his life -- his farming and his studying and teaching -- was that enough in itself for him to renounce his ego? Or was the final trip to India, and that desperate search, was that *crucial*? Was everything else a setup for that?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think so, yeah. But at the same time, that his final thing becomes heightened experience rather than unmasking process for him particularly. But his last trip is most important one of all.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: So where's the unmasking process?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Unmasking process happens his teaching situation, that when he talk to people.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: Uh huh.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: There's no big confrontation particularly, which is be very fortunate or unfortunate, whatever.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: So it's more than just a setup then, all that other stuff that went on before. It's more vital than just--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: --getting him ready.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. More than setup, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357#t=2111.0,2187.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357/transcript/77274/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 10]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: I think you said that it's important to have a teacher in order to, well, progress toward enlightenment. And I was wondering what qualities one would look for in a teacher. [laughter] Especially, since you're geographically unavailable to a lot of people.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Who is geographically unavailable?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: You are.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Right. [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: He's usually over there, but not over here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357#t=2187.0,2231.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357/transcript/77274/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 11]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: Rinpoche, at what point-- SPEAKER14: Rinpoche-- [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Let him finish his first.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: Rinpoche. [laughter] Could I be correct in thinking of Marpa as method rather than content?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Marpa as what?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: Method.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: Technique, rather than, you know, content. [INAUDIBLE]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I would say both.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: But what does Marpa-- what does Marpa represent as-- I hate to use the word \"ideology.\"\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, Marpa represent is purely example in which there are a lot of place for us to express our own style. And we don't have to punish ourselves constantly. That, \"Our situation is wrong; therefore I can't practice, I can't develop myself according to the teachings.\" That there is something happening all the time.\r\n\r\n\r\nI think question of that what teachers look for is, in fact, almost irrelevant. That if you have a sense of needing for teaching and teacher, I think the situations themselves become self-explanatory. And you are-- if you're running out of your money, that you can't sit for longer retreat; or you have a further commitment, you can't finish your course, meditation; or the time and space of the learning situation is limited, whatever. All of those are gigantic jigsaw puzzle. It's a part of your learning situation. That there were ten thousand devotees studied with Gampopa, which is purely human beings, not counting superhuman-- super-beings or the local deities or whatever. That everybody had received attention and time and space at the same time.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: Physically, not symbolically?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Physically, yeah, physically.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357#t=2231.0,2479.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357/transcript/77274/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 12]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER17: Rinpoche, at one point in Milarepa, it talks about his inspiration or his belief in the law of karma as the thing which sustained him through all the experiences with Marpa. It is as if, I felt, that the bizarre actions of Marpa in asking him to build these houses and then take them down and endanger himself and so forth, somehow he felt some kind of confirmation. That what felt like a very personal inspiration of his own, some sort of belief in the law of karma that was something that they both shared in some kind of way. Rather than getting caught up in and have back and forth emotional relationship with Marpa, and sort of reacting to his anger or getting defensive or whatever. And is it that kind of inspiration or belief in the law of karma an underlying theme throughout the entire lineage?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Theme for what?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER17: A theme of the way the student relates to the teacher or relates to the teachings.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I think so, yeah. That that's, you know, speaking very simply. But karma in this case is the level of your thickness of your neurotic coverage. Simply that what it mean. Not the karma sense of that you are destined to build castles for Marpa and destroy them, and predestined situation. But how thick you are, therefore your skin is more tough, and something had to go through; you have to get through. That particular theme runs right through the teaching. And way the particular person in the lineage handled themselves to relate with student goes on constantly. And I think that these very up-to-date technique as well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357#t=2479.0,2607.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357/transcript/77274/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 13]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER18: Did Marpa's wife have crazy wisdom? [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, she was a very kind person, almost the level of being a wife of a vicar. Being kind and sociable and trying tell people that, \"My husband is crazy, but nevertheless he means well. [laughter] Don't take it too hard, you know, that there is something you're getting out of it. Let me help you if you need more food. Although, my husband refuse to give you food, but I'll give you\"\r\n\r\n\r\nIt's-- I mean, she's very good nurse at that point, social worker. [laughter] But--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER18: Not more than that?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No, but I think that she has some sense of dignity to indulge into that, not contradict Marpa's teachings. So she has some basic pride in her already, in any case. And she represents, also, one of his disciples as well, as well as being wife. And looking through the biography, as Marpa gets older and his wife gets older, toward the end of their lives, that she becomes more and more crazy wisdom person. And she certainly knows what thing to be done and what not thing to be done, definitely.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER18: When she sends Milarepa with the sort of stolen items--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Relics.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER18: --he gets--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER18: --that's considered sort of foolishness on her part?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah it is, but still, she has confident to do that; go over the margins, so to speak, which is a mark of crazy wisdom. [laughter] And she not particularly working against with him to win them over to her, because she has nothing to give if she win them over. She end up with more people to feed, that's all. But she has more confident in that. It's very interesting. From the superficially, they look working against each other. But, fundamentally it's unique one, you know -- they do work together that way. That they sort of yin and yang or whatever you like to call it. [laughs; laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357#t=2607.0,2776.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357/transcript/77274/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 14]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER19: Rinpoche, speaking of the teacher's relationship to the students, I'm curious about your lateness each evening, and [laughter] different individual's interpretation of it. I'd like to hear what your feelings are about it? If you have some. [laughter; chatter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I'm just late. [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER20: Well, I don't think you should be. [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I can't help it. [laughter] I can't help it. [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER19: I thought there was a lesson or something. [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's up to you. [laughter] That has nothing to do with me. [laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357#t=2776.0,2850.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357/transcript/77274/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 15]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER21: Can you get transmission from a teacher without sharing the same language?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I don't think so. It has nothing to do with electricity. [laughter] And need human contact.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER21: Well, I mean, through a translator?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Umm-- SPEAKER21: That half sentence--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER21: --that's translated... but nothing else.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think the student must have feeling before translator opens his mouth. If you have feeling, then you can communicate. Otherwise, if it's just you're purely at the mercy of the translator, then a lot of the foreign relationship is being fucked up because of that. You know, politically. So it becomes no use. It becomes purely cultural barrier. If there's some link before the translator, the interpreter opens mouth, if there's some understanding already, then that could be very productive.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357#t=2850.0,2934.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357/transcript/77274/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 16]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER22: It seems that a person's style, as you call it, is made up, you know, largely of-- on-- in some part of it is characteristic neurosis. That you're always projecting the same things on people, things like that. And I'm wondering, if there is-- if you make a decision to exhaust some part of your style, to cherish another. Or there's no decision making process. Or... can you go into that a little?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I don't quite see the problem there.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER22: Well, you-- it seems that in your talking about neurosis, it's branded as something somewhat negative. And yet, it's part of your style.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER22: So...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I see, yeah. Well, you see the point is that the negative situations or neurotic situations, neurotic styles that you have are the only stepping stones that you have to begin with. So one doesn't try to perfect ideal pure form of a style, because that's impossible, asking impossible.\r\n\r\n\r\nSo you should be illiterate before you learn how to read and write. That is your stepping stone. There's no conflict. And within those basic neurosis, then you begin to develop your unmasked version of pure style, or whatever it may be, develops, because you begin to realize your hang-ups are workable situation, rather than something that is your problem. So, if you accentuate or put more emphasis on your problem, your hang-ups are being the blockage, then your inspiration to learning becomes more slowed down great deal, because you feel you are inadequate or disabled, some cases. So the idea is that to take pride, so to speak, in your hang-ups,and use that as a stepping stone. That you could work on it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357#t=2934.0,3105.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357/transcript/77274/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 17]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER23: Rinpoche, why did you say that Marpa had more potential when he approached Naropa than we do? Was it because he had less neurosis, and he wasn't thick? Or because he had a different relationship to the teachings? Or...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, Marpa is very direct person. He is never involved with the world of business in the Madison Avenue style, or whatever. But he is very direct and very ordinary and complete person. And his directness, his [un]inhibited style has helped him great deal. I mean, he was not thinking in terms of playing games, but he was just trying to get what he want, simply. As simple as that. And if any of us of that nature, who just want what we want, rather than playing games with it, then we have a potential Marpa here.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER24: Sir, did you say \"inhibited style\" or \"uninhibited style?\"\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Uninhibited style.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER25: Was it that directness that kept his intellect from precluding his understanding--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Very much so, yeah. He's very true believer in the some ways. You know, he is very sincere person, and he does it until accomplish it. It's like the walk of a tortoise -- each step is definite step, but slow and stubborn at the same time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357#t=3105.0,3220.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357/transcript/77274/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 18]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER26: I would still like to understand the relationship between Milarepa and Marpa. Marpa was of all people a family man, right? And Marpa commanded Milarepa to go into the vastness, you know, isolate himself. And Milarepa rejected Marpa, and he said, \"I have nothing to do.\" Even though he carried his mother's bones around, he said, \"I have nothing to do with that,\" [INAUDIBLE WORDS]. Of all teachers, he was the most respectful of his guru. But his guru was a family man. [laughter; chatter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, that's the whole point. You know, you have a different style. And if Marpa would like to lay trips on Milarepa, and he would-- he could've send him back and tell him to get married and set up his farm again, all over again, and reclaim his properties and everything, which is already irrelevant to Milarepa is concerned. So there's no point in beating the, what you call, dead horse.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER26: No, but does Milarepa abandoned his farm, and the...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: He abandoned his farm before he met Marpa. He has that pattern happening already. He can't go back to his home in any case. And he is rejected by his relatives already. So that's why he came to Marpa. So it seem to be very simple there, I mean, from that point of view. It's like if somebody is already escaped from communist country, and you can't send them back to their communist country.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER26: Well, it's not that I'm questioning, it's just that I don't *understand* how a family man--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, he understand everything.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER26: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: And he has a lot of other students who are also family man as well. All of the three other disciples, chief disciples of his, are family man except Milarepa. I mean, that is a symbol of that he is not on a particular trip, that he would like to mold his students in his own style.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER26: Well, good. But Milarepa always worshiped his guru, years and years and years after [UNCLEAR: they were seen?] --\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER26: His guru was a family man.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER26: And Milarepa continually always made a fool of him. \"Just skip your mother and father [laughter] and sister and brother and--\"\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, that's his style.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER26: [INAUDIBLE] [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I mean--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER26: [INAUDIBLE] his style, it doesn't explain anything, it stinks--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well it's his style, because he feels that way strongly of him-- his own path.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER26: Yeah. They were different people.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357#t=3220.0,3490.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357/transcript/77274/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 19]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER28: Rinpoche, how could Marpa or someone go about-- directly go about getting something they want if it didn't exist? Or would they just keep deluding themself by wanting a fantasy thing in the first place?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. Can you repeat your question?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER28: I'm sorry. How could Marpa or somebody go about trying-- go about-- directly go about getting something they wanted that didn't exist? Or is it just a delusion to want a fantasy thing in the first place?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Marpa?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER28: How can you be direct about-- how can somebody be direct about trying to get something they wanted, you know, if it didn't exist? Is it a delusion to want such a fantasy thing in the first place? I mean-- I think-- is it-- does it-- if you set a person [UNCLEAR: confusion further back?] by wanting that-- an unreal thing in the first place? Or [INAUDIBLE]? How can you be direct if you have-- about a wish that is unrealistic?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Which situation are you-- which wish you are talking about?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER28: I didn't have any particularly in mind.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Can you think of anyone? [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER28: No, I [INAUDIBLE] just any-- anything that a person that would want that you couldn't-- that wasn't available and wasn't realistic to want. Or that you didn't have the money to buy or something. [INAUDIBLE]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I don't see any problems there.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER28: Oh?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I don't see any problems there.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER28: You just-- you mean, you just discipline yourself and forget about it?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No, not quite simple as that. But you just go along with what there is. And the main point seem to be that you don't have to try to be in the safe ground, secure ground, spiritually.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER28: You don't have to be?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No, that's the whole point of spirituality, this case, is that remain in the area of that without security.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER28: You mean, you should go on as part of [INAUDIBLE] that's slightly more realistic?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No, that's a search for security.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER28: Oh, I see. I don't see. [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: So one looks for-- [laughter] so one looks for insecurity and work with it. [laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357#t=3490.0,3666.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357/transcript/77274/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 20]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER29: How does the directness that you spoke of in Marpa's attitude -- getting what he wanted -- how does that relate to the attitude of hunting your guru? Just, you know, sort of getting what you want out of him and leaving him? [laughter; chatter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Did you say Marpa's attitude?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER29: I wasn't saying that that was Marpa's attitude. I was saying how does that relate? Because it sounded similar when you described the directness of Marpa's approach--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, he wanted--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER29: --like he had something definite that he wanted.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, sure. And he gets it-- SPEAKER29: [INAUDIBLE WORDS]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Sure. I think that seem to be our problem. Because we don't have definite things in our mind, and we are constantly picking and choosing.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER29: Oh, so that would be hunting the guru.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, that would be more like with--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER29: --trying to--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --shopping, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER29: --get something.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. Because you are uncertain how much money you can spend in the market. Even that is uncertain. You haven't looked at it, and cannot economy properly. And Marpa knows how much he's going to spend; he's going to buy it and get it. [laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357#t=3666.0,3742.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357/transcript/77274/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 21]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER30: If that's true, how does Marpa relate to spiritual materialism? Just intellectual understanding? He seems--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, there's no room for spiritual materialism, because he's not searching for pleasure. He thinks there's truth and there's goodness in the teachings, and he just does it. He work for it. And he's not thinking of glorifying himself, particularly, at all. There's very stubborn faith, which has no logic. I mean, his family and people could criticize him by doing something entirely impractical, going to India three times in his life, spending long duration of time, and not taking care of his business. But he doesn't care, but he sees something there is good. But he doesn't particularly think that goodness bring him happiness or more wealth particularly at all. He just does it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357#t=3742.0,3796.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357/transcript/77274/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 22]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER31: You keep saying Marpa was a good-- a successful businessman, and yet he still attained enlightenment. How does this, you know, fit in with what you said last night regarding you have to give up your desire to get your money's worth? Seems to me that if you're a businessman, that's your main interest, is getting your money's worth.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, that's the whole point.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER31: How do you, you know, how do you--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I mean, it seem to be very simple. That Marpa is extremely good businessman, that he didn't even expect his money's worth. And then he *got* it. [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER32: If you've got that desire.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Sure. And he did it. And he got it in fact--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER33: But how did he run his business successfully also at the same time?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well he could, because if you become profit-oriented in business ordinarily, that you make bad businessman. If you're less involved with the profit orientation while promoting your merchandise, you become better businessman. You have to gain confidence from your customers.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER30: There has to be a balance though, right? You have to have a little bit-- you have to have some desire to...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, but that's not the big point.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER30: No, no.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: The point is that gain-- if you're businessman, you are located in certain particular area or locality. And you have to make friends with the-- gain reputation to a particular area. And your merchandise is good, and worth money, and you don't cheat people. And you do solid, good business deal with them. So then you get more devoted customers, and without looking too much of your goal and not think in terms of you're going to become millionaire tomorrow. And you become extremely good businessman if you approach that way. [laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nAnd that's Marpa's approach precisely. And he made friends with the people. And he wasn’t keen on particular promoting his reputation in terms of becoming booming businessman. And probably he wasn't all that famous businessman at all, but he is good farmer, steady person that somebody could, you know, rely on his relationship with him. It's a good person to talk to, good person relate with. And his merchandise is good as well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357#t=3796.0,3967.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357/transcript/77274/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 23]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER34: Doesn't the student have to begin to realize that he is his own best friend? And that he maybe subtly knows that what is right for him is right, and what is wrong for him is wrong. Yet he doesn't have to go running to his teacher for everything. And that more or less, that the answers are already here in the questions.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I would agree entirely with you. Well said.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER26: Well said.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. [laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357#t=3967.0,4011.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357/transcript/77274/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 24]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER35: Does Marpa get what he wants because he's looking for insecurity?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No. He gets what he wanted because he doesn't care. And he does it because the sake of what is involved. That is his sadhana, which is a euphemism.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER36: He gets what he wants.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: For business.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER26: He gets what he wants because he doesn't care--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER26: --but... what was the rest?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's it. There's no rest. [laughter; chatter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357#t=4011.0,4058.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357/transcript/77274/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 25]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER38: There seem to be two things: one is playing games, and another is getting what you want. And then, on the other hand, there's being profit-oriented as opposed to being merchandise-oriented. And I was wondering if you could relate those to the workings of the ego?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: General tendency of ego is profit-oriented, immediate luxury-oriented,rather than enjoying your business practice as part of your means of livelihood, your sadhana, whatever. I think that's the differences, and that is could be said also same as in terms of bodhisattva's approach. The bodhisattvas don't care whether they attain enlightenment or not. They gave up that idea long time, having taken bodhisattva vow. But what they are concerned is to do-- become correct, wholesome bodhisattvas. And their practice is more important than the goal. So enjoy your practice; you don't care about your goal. And consequently, that you achieve your goal very speedily, because you don't care about it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357#t=4058.0,4158.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357/transcript/77274/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 26]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER39: Should you have a goal?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You *should* have a goal, yeah. And you should give up that goal. [laughter; chatter] Otherwise, you become wooly-minded. You're, whatever you call them [laughter] dreaming, yeah. You should have a goal, definitely.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER39: But then you have to give it up?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER39: Okay.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Everything is approached as a very business-like way. [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER40: Is the bodhisattva's goal to-- does he begin renouncing enlightenment, and then he arrives at not caring?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: At the beginning, he has goal to attain enlightenment. Then he takes a vow of giving up that goal.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER40: But isn't that a goal, kind of a--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No, that's a-- that's a day to day situation. So path is goal from that point of view is concerned.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER41: Would the renunciation of the goal be part of the method then?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's what is called \"skillful means,\" yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER26: Did you say the renunciation of goal is the method?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER41: As an expedient method.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357#t=4158.0,4236.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357/transcript/77274/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 27]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER42: Are you saying also that it's not essential to have a teacher, that life can be your teacher? Or am I misunderstanding that?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It is essential to have a teacher. And the teacher can introduce your life as teacher. And you can't start the other way around.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER42: You didn’t tell me what qualities that one should look for in a teacher.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's up to you, seem to be, if you trust yourself. And here we go again. [laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357#t=4236.0,4276.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357/transcript/77274/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 28]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER43: What stage before-- at what stage is the person who's in despair, therefore at the beginning of Buddhism, therefore at duhkha, which is goal... which isn't the goal... Is duhkha goal?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Duhkha is the path.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER43: The path.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You don't try to attain duhkha. [laughter] You trying to understand the origin of duhkha.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER43: Oh.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Which is the goal. And then in turn the path comes, which how the four noble truths works. But duhkha is a stepping stone, immediate situation that you can embark your project with-- on. But you don't have to look for ideal situation anymore; it is there, right front of your nose.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357#t=4276.0,4333.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357/transcript/77274/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 29]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER44: You said once that depression is a prayer. Did you mean more or less the same thing as this?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think so, very much, yeah. It is prayer, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER44: In other words, inherent in the depression is the kind of beginning--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Depression is a sense of isolation, helplessness. Which is extremely important, and it is also boring at the same time, because those qualities of aloneness and boredom is the only way that you relate with yourself. That you realize whatever further entertainment you create for yourself, it is *your* creating for yourself rather than any extraordinary external thing. So you are self-contained with your own world, and begin to make friends with yourself.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357#t=4333.0,4395.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357/transcript/77274/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 30]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER45: I'd like to you ask you, Rinpoche, to explain more in depth about Marpa being able to obtain due to sort of, say, cause and effect or the circumstances that he was confronted with. Or is it more of he received, so to say, a revelation? Or it was his karma or something to develop his potential? And also, does each one of us have the full potential to develop, or was it Marpa who just developed because of his circumstances?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I mean, we all have our circumstances in anyway. And we could have same situation as Marpa. And it wasn't purely taking chance, but he has that particular type of potential already. And quite rightly, his parents and himself decide to take advantage of that situation already. So it is become very living and very real. And we all could be Marpa's situation from that point of view, as long as we're direct with what we are trying to do, without too much ambivalence and shopping. Fix our mind on a particular project.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER46: But Rinpoche, is that ambivalence a function of style and personality as well? Because it sounds like Marpa had like a very definite kind of style. And the definiteness, it seems, was almost, you know, a personality or a temperament factor in his situation. I mean, was Naropa, for instance, did he have like a more complicated time in terms of working with his own mind with regard to that definiteness? Is that a different model?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, I mean, at the same time, there had to be something definite in any case. You have to set your mind to certain, particular project in any case. That seem to be necessary.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER46: But maybe certain personalities have more of a tendency to get into that kind of intellectual ambivalence than a personality like Marpa's.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, sooner or later, your ambivalence begin to cut through. You begin to realize that is a complete dream, sooner or later. Like in Naropa's case, it was he begin to realize that frustration of what he is doing is-- it's not real thing that he is looking for, as well.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER45: Does each person have their own limitations that is a part of their personality, which they possibly can't develop past a certain stage? Whereas Marpa was able to, sort of say, overcome different--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I don't think it has any differences at all. It's the same thing. It's same with everybody. That Marpa wasn't all that special. He's one of the types, which either of us could be.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357#t=4395.0,4622.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357/transcript/77274/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: CLOSING REMARKS]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Maybe we should end our session tonight. And we're [laughter] going to have a bottomless pitch. [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357#t=4622.0,4645.79918"}]},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357/transcript/77275","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["19730903VCTR1-Captions [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357/transcript/77275/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ORIGINAL SLATE: This is talk\nthree of the Life\nand Teachings of Marpa seminar,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357#t=0.89,6.18"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357/transcript/77275/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"given at Tail of\nthe Tiger, September, 1973.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357#t=6.18,12.18"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357/transcript/77275/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Seems we are\nrunning out of time.\n[laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357#t=12.18,20.8"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357/transcript/77275/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And we have a lot of ground\nto cover in study of Marpa,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357#t=20.8,33.11"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357/transcript/77275/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and I don't think we could\ncomplete our study\nthis particular 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style.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357#t=55.05,62.45"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357/transcript/77275/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In studying his biography,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357#t=75.47,80.84"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144648/file/267357/transcript/77275/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that there is no reference\nin extensive 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