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Vividly describes qualities of the world and experience beyond ego. Three levels of perception: of experiencing things as they are, of emptiness, and of luminosity. These three allow one to see the pattern of life, as mandala principle, and containing five buddha families energies.  Key is not trying to change the world or what arises in it. Discipline and training of meditation practice as what allows for seeing the world clearly.  In Q\u0026amp;A, describes perception further; how one works simultaneously with energy of confused perception and enlightened perception."]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication"]},"value":{"en":["BOOK: Orderly Chaos","BOOK: True Perception","BOOK: Collected Works Vol 06","BOOK: Collected Works Vol 07"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication Details"]},"value":{"en":["BOOK: ORDERLY CHAOS: Part 2: Chapter 4: Three Aspects of Perception\u003cbr\u003e\n-- from \u003ca href=\"https://www.shambhala.com/orderly-chaos-1128.html\"\u003eShambhala Publications\u003c/a\u003e\n\nBOOK: COLLECTED WORKS VOL 6 (in contained book ORDERLY CHAOS)\n\nBOOK: TRUE PERCEPTION: Chapter: Nobody's World\u003cbr\u003e\n-- from \u003ca href=\"https://www.shambhala.com/true-perception-1597.html\"\u003eShambhala Publications\u003c/a\u003e\n\nBOOK: COLLECTED WORKS VOL 7 (in contained book DHARMA ART)\u003cbr\u003e\n-- from \u003ca href=\"https://www.shambhala.com/the-collected-works-of-chogyam-trungpa-381.html\"\u003eShambhala Publications\u003c/a\u003e\n\nSRCBOOK: VISUAL DHARMA SOURCEBOOK I (out-of-print)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Transcription Credits"]},"value":{"en":["Jun 24 2023 to Apr 23 2024\nTranscribing: Ella Milligan\nChecking: Blaire Martin\nFinal Proof: Ruth Veleta\nOther Contributors: Lynn Friedman, Warner Dick"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["© Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced"]}},{"label":{"en":["Year"]},"value":{"en":["1974"]}}],"summary":{"en":["This fascinating talk brings the discussion to the subject of relating with the world, and what the world actually is from non-ego point of view. Vividly describes qualities of the world and experience beyond ego. Three levels of perception: of experiencing things as they are, of emptiness, and of luminosity. These three allow one to see the pattern of life, as mandala principle, and containing five buddha families energies.  Key is not trying to change the world or what arises in it. Discipline and training of meditation practice as what allows for seeing the world clearly.  In Q\u0026amp;A, describes perception further; how one works simultaneously with energy of confused perception and enlightened perception."]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["© Diana J. 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Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]\r\n\r\n\r\nARP SLATE: This is the Venerable Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, Mandala of the Five Buddha Families, held at Karme Choling, Vermont. This is talk number four, December 25th, 1974. This is an ARP digital remaster made June 2007.\r\n\r\n\r\nORIGINAL SLATE: The following is talk four of the Mandala of the Five Buddha Families seminar given at Karme Choling, December 1974.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154712/file/283811#t=0.0,30.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154712/file/283811/transcript/82209/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: MAIN TALK]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Taking from what we have discussed yesterday, we can elaborate on the idea of relating with the world. And that question is very tough one. That to begin with, what is world, and whose world it is, and what it does mean, actually, relating. The basic point is that this seem to be nobody's world since there is nobody, [laughs] as such. But at the same time, the energy which is constantly taking place, which does not belong to anybody -- it's a natural organic process. And from there we function as if that world belongs to us, as if they-- I have myself, as if I do exist.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154712/file/283811#t=30.0,149.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154712/file/283811/transcript/82209/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And nonexistence of ego from this point of view is not particularly, again, a philosophical matter, but it is simply a matter of perception. That perception is unable to chase back its existence. So the perception becomes just sheer energy, without beginner of perception and without substance but just a simple perception. And that perception is categorized as three types of levels, is the level of perception is as experience. In this case experience meaning not meaningful self-confirmation as experience, but experience in the sense of things as they are: the white is white and black is black and so forth, other things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154712/file/283811#t=149.0,236.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154712/file/283811/transcript/82209/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then there is the perception of emptiness, which is absence of things as they are. And things have their room. They always comes along with a certain sense of room, certain sense of space within its complexities of overcrowdedness in our experience. But still, they provide their own space within overcrowdedness, which is saying the same thing -- overcrowdedness *is* room, in some sense, because they-- there is movement involved, there is dance involved, there is play involved. And at the same time it is very shifty and intangible at the same time. And because of that there is very lucid aspect of the whole thing. And there is a space, emptiness, whatever you like to call it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154712/file/283811#t=236.0,300.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154712/file/283811/transcript/82209/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then final one is what's called existence of luminosity. The luminous aspect which is nothing to do with the visual, bright light of anything, but it is a sense of sharp boundary and the clarity, which does not have a theoretical, intellectualized reference point as such, but in terms of ordinary experience that we have a sense of clarity and sense of things as they are, seen as they are, unmistakably. So the perception has three types from this point: the sense of experience, and the sense of emptiness, and the sense of luminosity.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154712/file/283811#t=300.0,400.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154712/file/283811/transcript/82209/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The question is, with that perception then one is able to see all patterns of one's life. Whether the patterns of one's life is regarded as neurotic or enlightened, able to see them all very clearly. And that seem to be the beginning of some glimpse in the mandala perspective and beginning of glimpse of five types of buddha energies. So in other word that the five types of energies are not only bounded in the level of enlightened stage alone, it also contains in the confused level as well. The question is that seeing them as they are, and thoroughly confused and thoroughly neurotic and thoroughly painful, or extraordinarily pleasurable, or extraordinarily expansive and joyous, humorous, whatever.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154712/file/283811#t=400.0,496.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154712/file/283811/transcript/82209/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So the question is that we are not trying to remove what we perceive particularly, but in other word we are not trying to reshape the world in the fashion that what we would like to see it. But we are seeing the world as it is without reshaping. And whatever comes along in us is part of the buddha principles and part of the mandala setup. And that seem to be, again, I would like to remind you, is this approach is purely experiential approach -- we are not talking about philosophical approach of \"Does such thing exist or not? Is this part of conceptual level, phenomenological experience or not?\" We are not talking about those things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154712/file/283811#t=496.0,552.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154712/file/283811/transcript/82209/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And actually in the many cases that the philosophers have gone wrong, so to speak. That trying to find out the truth of the matters of things as they are, what-- rather than what it might *be* from the perception level. So consequently we find ourselves completely theorizing the whole thing, without knowing actually what experience we might have of things as they are. So if you begin to theorize that the existence of world and its solidness and its eternity or whatever it is, that by doing so we are blocking a very large chunk of our experience, because we are trying to prove or trying to build the foundations too much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154712/file/283811#t=552.0,615.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154712/file/283811/transcript/82209/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so much so that we are concerned about solidity of the foundation rather than its relationship to earth, as such. So that seem to be the wrong approach to metaphysics even. Or this case we are not talking about metaphysics even either, but it is experiential level, that what we experience in our everyday life situation, which doesn't have to be confirmed by theory and confirmed by proof or particularly, or this does not have to depend on anything of that nature. And it is just simply matter of everyday life's experience from minute to minute. And it does not involve a particular long-term project of anything.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154712/file/283811#t=615.0,665.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154712/file/283811/transcript/82209/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So the question of perception here becomes very important because perceptions can't be pegged down into solid basis, but perceptions are very shifting and they continuously float in the level of our life. That the-- you might say, \"I have seen a beautiful formation of clouds over the Himalayas.\" That doesn't mean to say that there such cloud will be there always, all the time. Nevertheless it is a part of the attribute of the Himalayas maybe. So one wouldn't expect it when you get to the Himalayas to see beautiful formation of clouds always. You might arrive there in the middle of night or might arrive there in a complete clear sky. The idea is that when you describe or experience and relay to somebody else whatever you perceived at that very moment, sounds extremely full and vivid and fantastic because you-- somehow that you managed to relay the experience of the moment. But again, if you trying to recapture that experience and trying to mimic the whole thing all over again, it is impossible, and quite possibly that we might end up philosophizing. And we go further and further from the reality, so to speak -- whatever that may be, this point. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154712/file/283811#t=665.0,785.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154712/file/283811/transcript/82209/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So the question of sharp precision that exist in our life, which generally arises from some form of training and discipline, the sitting practice of meditation particularly -- not that the sitting practice of meditation has sharpened our perception particularly, but sitting practice has made us possible that we could perceive them. So it's question of removing the cloud rather than recreating the sun. So that seem to be the whole point. And some faint experience of reality seem to be very faint and very uncertain, but however faint it may be, still it is sharp and precise and tend to bring lot of clarity at the same time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154712/file/283811#t=785.0,865.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154712/file/283811/transcript/82209/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And on the whole, that this perception we are talking about is-- depends on the level of watchfulness of some kind. Again, this watchfulness is not particularly of being careful, tiptoeing particularly. But this watchfulness is experiencing a sudden glimpse of whatever, without any particular qualification, just a sudden glimpse itself. And that has become one of the problems and enigmatic questions. And when we talk about you should see a sudden glimpse, and we usually ask, \"Of what?\" And if you don't have anything to say about what it is, then whole thing got to be absurd. [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154712/file/283811#t=865.0,935.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154712/file/283811/transcript/82209/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And if you think-- if you change our thinking style entirely, if you could open our mind towards something slightly more than what we have, what we be told, we can step beyond that level of purely everything's based on a business transaction and a profit-making process. And there is possibilities of awareness without any conditions -- conditions from the point of view of anything that you can get out of it, or you're going to see certain particular things out of this awareness. But it is just a simple, straightforward awareness of itself -- awareness being aware without any things be put in it. And that kind of perception seem to be the only key point and the key perspective microscope that able to perceive the three types of perceptions that we discussed. And from that level then the mandala spectrum, or the five buddha principles, or whatever it may be, there is no big deal and they are not extraordinary thing to perceive. It's just a matter-of-fact level. And the mandala basic principle becomes very simple one. It's just simply everything is related with each other. And quite simple and straightforward.\r\n\r\n\r\nAnd I think we should stop at this point there and maybe have discussion.\r\n\r\n\r\n[Coughing; laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154712/file/283811#t=935.0,1067.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154712/file/283811/transcript/82209/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 1]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: Could you say something more about the perception of experience?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: Could you say something more about the perception of experience?\r\n\r\n\r\nAUDIENCE: Can you repeat the question please?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: Could you say something more about the perception of experience?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Maybe you could say something about it then. [Laughter] Just guesswork, okay?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: Guesswork?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, pick up your microphone.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: Well, is it some sort of perception of your subjective experience as it's going on, even though you admit that it's subjective?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Getting close, yes. [Laughter] There is something else is needed for that.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: To be experiencing things [INAUDIBLE]--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, but experiencing-- when you experience something what comes with it?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: Reactions, or?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, what is the--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: Your own reactions?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --what's the reaction is called?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: Experience?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No, there is something else.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: Oh, emotions?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Getting close, yeah. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: Thoughts?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Not necessarily.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: Perceptions? Perceptions?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Not necessarily.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: Responses?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: The driving forces of responses, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: So it's--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What? [Laughter; laughs] It's energy.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: Energy.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. You see there is a kind of exuberant energy goes with the perception and, you know, with the experience. When you experience something you actually recapture what you experience, you know. \"I have seen a piece of shit,\" you know, very vivid and real, and you catch that energy, or, \"I see the naked sun,\" you know, whatever. [Laughs; laughter] There is a lot of energy behind that. And that is actually what is known as, you know, actual experience. That you experience as if you are *it*, you know, you almost become indivisible at the time. When you experience something, is that kind of direct communication without anything between. Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: So really throwing yourself in totally?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well it's not quite-- it doesn't require to throwing particularly, you know. It is sort of realized on the spot, yeah, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154712/file/283811#t=1067.0,1279.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154712/file/283811/transcript/82209/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 2]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: This clarity that you speak of, is this always related to a sense of spaciousness?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think so, yes, because otherwise there is no sharpness. If there is no space, it would be unfocused.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154712/file/283811#t=1279.0,1318.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154712/file/283811/transcript/82209/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 3]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: Do we all start out as luminous beings and then forget our luminosity? [Speaking louder] Do we all start out as luminous beings and then forget that we're luminous beings?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Luminous beings, that sounds like--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: Yeah, or luminosity--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --Don Juan. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: --or [laughing] whatever. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I think it's not question of we start, but we are. While even uncertainty is taking place, we \"are\" still. And this is just another way of looking again, and focusing onto it, you know. It's not a question of that a case history, particularly, it's an ongoing thing. And right this moment, that we are luminous and we are empty and we are perceptive, the same time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154712/file/283811#t=1318.0,1403.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154712/file/283811/transcript/82209/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 4]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Yesterday you said that, I believe, when you perceive something, something is either lost or exaggerated.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: When you what?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: When you perceive something, when there is that transaction of perception, that it sort of translate-- there's some sense of translation into a language, and something is lost or exaggerated. Is that-- am I paraphrasing you correctly?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [inaudible whispering]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: To interpret.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: Wasn't it the interpretation of what the-- how perception, that we either exaggerate the--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think so, yes, yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: It’s not the perception itself that creates the exaggeration?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, once you begin to conceptualize, once you begin to elaborate on it.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: But just at the level of perception itself there's-- it still can be extremely accurate. It's not-- is perception an experience equal in that sense?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well perception is experience if you are there. Whereas perception couldn't be experience if you're not there. [Laughs; laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: In other-- if you include yourself in the perception--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well there is no self to include, particularly--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Right, exactly. If you're perceiving yourself then [INAUDIBLE] [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [Laughs] Yes?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: I think you answered my question. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [Laughs] Good. Whatever.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154712/file/283811#t=1403.0,1515.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154712/file/283811/transcript/82209/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 5]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: Rinpoche, this sense that we have of a self that does perceive in most situations, is that in itself a perception?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: This what?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: This sense of selfhood--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: --that I experience in confronting reality, you know, as if I'm a corporation that has to deal with what's around me. That sense, is that a perception?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I don't think so, but that needs second thoughts to confirm. The actual perception is first thought.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: Yeah, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154712/file/283811#t=1515.0,1583.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154712/file/283811/transcript/82209/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 6]\r\n\r\n\r\nUNCONFIRMED EVE ROSENTHAL: How do we know if we can trust our perception?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well if you know that there is no \"we\", as such, then it seem to be very smooth. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nUNCONFIRMED EVE ROSENTHAL: How do I know if *I* can trust my perceptions?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You can word it any way you want. It's the same thing. I think it's--\r\n\r\n\r\nUNCONFIRMED EVE ROSENTHAL: How can you tell the difference between perception and projection?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well projection is you're waiting something to bounce back to confirm your existence. And perception is just a sort of antenna that does exist.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154712/file/283811#t=1583.0,1660.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154712/file/283811/transcript/82209/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 7]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: You said, I think, that the confusion or distortion of perception arises from the perceiver wanting to do something with the perception, wanting to act somehow on what he or she is perceiving. Does the primitive confusion that you spoke of a few days ago arise from the same source?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Is what?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: You spoke of the primordial confusion.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: Does that arise from the same source from wanting to act somehow on--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think that's what it's talking about, yeah. When we talk about as ego or self, we talk about that primordial one, that primeval state of \"thisness\", you know, that solid fixation or whatever. Yeah, we are talking about that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154712/file/283811#t=1660.0,1748.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154712/file/283811/transcript/82209/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 8]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: You've talked about this primordial sense of thisness as some sort of nonconceptual reference point and said that the mandala principle exists whenever there is a reference point. Is this the type of reference point that you're talking about, from which the mandala principle or perspective springs?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well it tend to get very complicated if we get into that area, is there is a twist there, which is that when there is a reference point, that is kind of a primitive belief. And then you realize that there is no one to actually react to the reference point, which is a different sort of higher level altogether. And both act as active ingredients to mandala principle, to realization of mandala principle. But at the same time, we are talking about the two levels at the same time. That the realization of a primitive ego, primordial one, and also realizing the nonexistence of a reactor to that, at the same time.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: Not solidifying that, not resting [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, yeah. Non-solidify that solidification, so to speak. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: As some sense of maybe the perception from that viewpoint, you talk about the mandala principle as being very simple sense of connections.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: And you've al-- you've spoken before of a sense of trusting the karmic reality of cause and effect. Is that related to the sense of connection or the sense of polarities?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think so, because that is the ultimate karmic cause and effect of, you know, no action. Yeah. That is the highest, final form of karma, you know, a-karma or non-karma.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: Is the connections of the mandala principle in this non-karma?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Fundamentally, although there may be, from the point of expressions is concerned, there may be various styles, but those expressions are based on the fundamentals of something or other in which that the mandala principle could come and go and manifest themselves in different fashions.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: I'll think on it.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well think about it. [Laughter] You have a whole day tomorrow. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154712/file/283811#t=1748.0,1962.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154712/file/283811/transcript/82209/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 9]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: You said earlier that when you're recounting the experience -- that is, a real experience, a real perception -- that you can recount it without losing the energy. And it seemed to me that that is sort of what underlies a work of art, is the ability to kind of not hold onto the energy but--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Ability to what?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: The ability to sort of keep the energy although the experience is in the past, that a kind of working with it that's not ego-based, I guess, that it's very positive. Is that-- does that seem like a possible interpretation?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I think the question is that here that you could work on both levels at once. The level that is ego-based world, energy and emotions, whatnot, as well as the level of non-ego-based situation at the same time simultaneously.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: Right.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: And there is no conflict between the two, because for the very fact they're organically linked somehow. But the non-ego-based is more refined than ego-based one is crude form of that. So--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: But that doesn't mean that you're trying to sort of cut them off from each other and keep [INAUDIBLE]--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No, not at all -- it's very natural from that point.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154712/file/283811#t=1962.0,2094.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154712/file/283811/transcript/82209/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 10]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: It sounds to me like perception of experience, perception of emptiness, and perception of luminosity are like deeper layers of perception of the same thing. If that is so, I wonder what the reason is for making the distinction between those three types of perception?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think because there's no reason particularly. That's the whole point. It happens that way. Do you see what I mean? [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: Well... [laughs; laughter] no! [Laughs; laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You see, if there is a reason, there is no reason to put any reason. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: It's a kind of teaching device to--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I wouldn't say even device -- it's teaching. [Laughter; laughs] We could be pompous-- we could be pompous and saying, \"This is truth,\" you know, [laughing] if you like. [Laughs; laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: But wouldn't it be that if I had less of an ego filter in front of my perception, I would perceive luminosity?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, yeah--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: And if I had more of a filter I would perceive emptiness.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think you'll see everything, all three of them at once. But various accents put on various things. And it depends on the mood of the reality of the time. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: In other words it would become my choice, which way I would perceive--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No, I mean-- choice, did you say?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: Yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No, actually the opposite. Because there's no choice, therefore all of them are possible. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: Yeah, I can see.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: It couldn't be *my* choice obviously. [Laughter; Trungpa Rinpoche laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154712/file/283811#t=2094.0,2275.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154712/file/283811/transcript/82209/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 11]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: Last year you talked about experiencing the gap that you talked about yesterday. And [laughter] we spent a lot of time talking about it in discussion groups and I'm still confused. What I thought you meant before, [laughs] was that the gap maybe was that time that you were directly experiencing something. You weren't interpreting or laying anything on the experience, you were just right there and so there was a gap in your normal sense of awareness. But yesterday when you talked about the gap, it was that space *between* your direct experience and your interpretation in which you missed something or lose something or something like that. And I was wondering if you could maybe clarify that for me.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I think it's a different way of looking at things, and we are talking about the contrast between mahayana's teaching of shunyata which is a gap, and then we are talking about the tantric view of a gap in reality of mandala principle, which are slightly different. The realization takes place in the moment of the boundary occurred, according to the tantric teachings. Because the-- you're working with the energy and you're not purely working with the absence of anything particularly. And you are not trying to see everything's particularly empty as such. But you're trying to see everything's transmutable energy. And so that there is, you know, transformation takes place at just level when you pre-- when you reach the boundary.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: The gap is just as you reach the boundary of what?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, well gap is just a shift of two reference point is a gap. And this case gap is not particularly big deal, like the shunyata experience. It's just a gap with a cap-- gap with a small \"g.\" [Laughter] It's a shift and change, you know, that you--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: From there to here?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Huh?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: From there to here? From that experience to--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, yeah, it's just a journey that you reach halfway this and that, which is not particularly shunyata-type experience. I wouldn't say that gap is the quality of emptiness, as such. That's just going away from somewhere and arriving to some particular situation. So if we could combine those two experiences, that the mahayana's experience of shunyata is included in the boundary question. According to the vajrayana that the shunyata experience is actually the boundary, rather than in the gap particularly. Because the shunyata symbolism is referred as mother who gives birth, you know, and the mother principle and the question of the creator and so forth. So the idea is that the creator is the gap-- I mean the boundary, rather. So that's the point, that the shunyata experience, the-- that which gives birth to boundary. So the gap is more energy in there than the mahayanist’s version of shunyata, it just emptiness alone. So that shunyata has something to play with, and finally shunyata finds a playmate, a lover, and therefore it becomes more dynamic than just straight, you know straight simple and everything is transcended. [Laughter; laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154712/file/283811#t=2275.0,2581.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154712/file/283811/transcript/82209/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 12]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: It seems like the mahayana shunyata is a-- it's an incomplete perception. It's something unreal that's--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Something what?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: Unreal, that's created by the person, more than being the real thing. Or if the shunyata is really in the border-type thing where there's a lot of energy. So, I mean the mahayana shunyata would be just man-made type of thing.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I mean you can't say that, exactly. If you are in it, you feel very complete. And that's question of reference to further realities, so to speak. And for the very fact that the more emphasis made on the transcendence makes still overcoming, going beyond. Whereas the-- in the vajrayana that going beyond is not important, but the boundary or the ridge itself is important rather than going beyond is. So it's not question of getting inside the room is important from the outside and inside and climbing over the doorstep, but the doorstep *itself* is important in vajrayana. So that the gap is the-- the boundary itself is very important. And it doesn't referred as transcending anything particularly, you know. It's referred as energy, rather than obstacle particularly.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: Why does-- why would one need the mahayana conception of shunyata? Why not just try and deal with that boundary at the beginning?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well boundary is regarded as obstacles in the mahayana principle. In the mahayana work, you can only overcome the notion of boundary by using experiential logic, by saying that the inside of the boundary is same as the outside of boundary therefore there is no boundary, rather than boundary in itself is a great thing.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: [from the audience] Is it the house of the monkey?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [Laughing] I beg your pardon? [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: The house of the monkey?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think something more than that actually.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: But in any case it's necessary to go through mahayana version of shunyata before indulging in--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, it's-- [unknown incident or gesture;  laughter] well-- and the interesting point is that we might be talking actually of vajrayana version of shunyata in terms of language, but you might perceive in the purely mahayana fashion. And so, you know, you can't sort of change your policy suddenly. It's the level of one's growth, so to speak. [Laughs; laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154712/file/283811#t=2581.0,2806.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154712/file/283811/transcript/82209/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 13]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: I believe yesterday you also said that the meditation was a bridge over the gap. I mean if the gap is important, you know, why would you want a bridge? Why would you want to bridge it? Anything--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Would make whole thing is a big-- whole thing is big boundary rather than there is a gap.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: So if-- well-- if you have the two sides and the top and you don't-- [laughs] and you don't need the center? [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I beg your [laughing] pardon? [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: No, you're saying that the gap itself almost becomes obsolete with the bridge.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, yeah. So the bridge is the boundary, so there is a very thick boundary, rather than there is a gap and then there is a no-man's-land and then you’re getting into somebody else's land. That happens in Texas anyway. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154712/file/283811#t=2806.0,2875.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154712/file/283811/transcript/82209/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 14]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [Whispering] Omansky. He's asking a question. [INAUDIBLE] [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nUNCONFIRMED STEFAN OMANSKY: You talked about the mahayanist viewpoint of the boundary for the-- of the gap as implying that it was coming from the boundary. Because if it was-- it seemed to use symbolism of mother and the originator of things or the-- from which things came. But it seems that then you went on to describe it as the mahayanists were, in fact, more interested in the gap and that the tantrics were interested in the boundary. But that-- you seem to switch them so then meant in fact that the tantrics were dealing with the gap and that mahayanists were in fact dealing with the boundary. [Laughter] First you said [laughs] that-- first you said-- [laughter] first you described the are-- at least the areas of concern and that mahayanists were concerned with the gap and that tantrics were concerned with the boundary. Then you went on to say that that in fact implied that the mahayanists were only dealing with the boundary, whereas the tantrics were really into the gap. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I don't know. I couldn't quite make out what you said. [Laughter] Why the... [laughs; laughter] mahayanists are dealing with more with the boundary? [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nUNCONFIRMED STEFAN OMANSKY: Yeah, right. Why would you describe-- you said that the fact that the-- that they felt they were dealing with the emptiness and the gap and that-- yet their symbolism was referring to mother and the creator of things, which implied that they were in fact still in the boundary, not in the gap.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I see. Well I think if you are-- you are not exactly being in the boundary, but you *are* the boundary maker, as well as boundary itself, at the same time.\r\n\r\n\r\nUNCONFIRMED STEFAN OMANSKY: Oh, I see.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nUNCONFIRMED STEFAN OMANSKY: And the tantrics by not making that differentiation [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's right.\r\n\r\n\r\nUNCONFIRMED STEFAN OMANSKY: I see.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Phew! [Laughter; laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154712/file/283811#t=2875.0,3069.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154712/file/283811/transcript/82209/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: CLOSING REMARKS]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well maybe, [laughs; laughter] we should take a rest here. [Laughs; laughter] And I would like to re-emphasize the idea of tomorrow's dathun-- I mean nyinthun [laughter; laughs] situation. And it's usually we have once a seminar, it depends on how long is the seminar -- if there is time for it, we have this particular one-day sitting practice. And reason why we have is because that there will be some chance that the participants in the seminar would have-- that they could stop their world, so to speak. \r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154712/file/283811#t=3069.0,3132.99588"}]},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154712/file/283811/transcript/82210","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["19741225VCTR1-Captions [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154712/file/283811/transcript/82210/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ARP SLATE: This is the\nVenerable Chogyam\nTrungpa Rinpoche, Mandala","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154712/file/283811#t=0.51,4.76"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154712/file/283811/transcript/82210/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of the Five Buddha Families,\nheld at Karme Choling, Vermont.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154712/file/283811#t=4.76,8.01"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154712/file/283811/transcript/82210/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This is talk number four,\nDecember 25th, 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What?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154712/file/283811#t=1435.65,1436.9"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154712/file/283811/transcript/82210/annotation/286","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER5: Wasn't it\nthe interpretation\nof what the--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154712/file/283811#t=1436.9,1439.51"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154712/file/283811/transcript/82210/annotation/287","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"how perception,\nthat we either exaggerate 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Mhmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154712/file/283811#t=1531.15,1532.4"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154712/file/283811/transcript/82210/annotation/311","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER6: --that I experience\nin confronting reality,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154712/file/283811#t=1532.4,1538.08"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154712/file/283811/transcript/82210/annotation/312","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you know,\nas if I'm a corporation that has\nto deal with what's around 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