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Topics include the origins of the lineage, the nature of devotion, Naropa and dissatisfaction, the different styles of Tilopa and Milarepa, and how the lineage accommodates different personalities. Each of the three yanas different approaches to devotion and guru, and how they come together in the Kagyupa tradition is also discussed."]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication"]},"value":{"en":["BOOK: Milarepa"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication Details"]},"value":{"en":["BOOK: MILAREPA: LESSONS FROM THE LIFE AND SONGS OF TIBET'S GREAT YOGI:\u003cbr\u003e\nChapter 1. The Mahamudra Lineage (excerpts)\u003cbr\u003e\nChapter 2. The Student–Teacher Relationship  (excerpts)\u003cbr\u003e\nChapter 3. The Importance of Devotion  (excerpts)\u003cbr\u003e\n-- from \u003ca href=\"https://www.shambhala.com/milarepa-3865.html\"\u003eShambhala Publications\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nSRCBOOK: SELECTED TALKS ON LINEAGE AND DEVOTION (Vajradhatu Press, out-of-print) - Chapter 2: Milarepa and the Origins of the Kagyu Lineage\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nSRCBOOK: 1999 LINEAGE AND DEVOTION SOURCEBOOK (Kalapa Media, out-of-print) - Chapter 4: Milarepa and the Origins of the Kagyu Lineage"]}},{"label":{"en":["Transcription Credits"]},"value":{"en":["Sep 14 2023 to Feb 19 2025\nTranscribing: Blaire Martin\nChecking: Ella Milligan\nFinal Proof: Leandra Ziegler\nOther Contributors: Warner Dick, Lynn Friedman"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["© Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced"]}},{"label":{"en":["Year"]},"value":{"en":["1973"]}}],"summary":{"en":["About the role of devotion in the Kagyu lineage which Milarepa belongs to. Topics include the origins of the lineage, the nature of devotion, Naropa and dissatisfaction, the different styles of Tilopa and Milarepa, and how the lineage accommodates different personalities. Each of the three yanas different approaches to devotion and guru, and how they come together in the Kagyupa tradition is also discussed."]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["© Diana J. 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Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]\r\n\r\n\r\nCTI SLATE: This is the Venerable Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, public seminar entitled the Message of Milarepa, given at Karme Choling in Barnet, Vermont. This is talk one, given on July 17th, 1973. This is a CTI custom remaster made February 2025.\r\n\r\n\r\nORIGINAL SLATE: This is the first talk of the Message of Milarepa seminar given at Tail of the Tiger, July 17th, 1973.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144638/file/267362#t=0.0,36.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144638/file/267362/transcript/77284/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: MAIN TALK]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I would like to welcome everyone taking part in this seminar. And we are trying to understand, or study teaching and life of Milarepa. It seem to be quite a big undertaking since we have very limited time. If we could spend longer time on such subject, that we could get into closer. Can you hear me at the back?\r\n\r\n\r\nAUDIENCE: Not much.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Not quite. You heard it. [Laughs; laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144638/file/267362#t=36.0,113.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144638/file/267362/transcript/77284/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In order to understand Milarepa's life and his teachings, that we have to also understand the lineage that Milarepa belongs to. We could look back and try to find out the origins of the Kagyupa lineage, and its application and approach towards its goal, so to speak.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144638/file/267362#t=113.0,177.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144638/file/267362/transcript/77284/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That generally, Kagyupa tradition is referred as the tradition which belongs to the devotional tradition. And meaning of devotion in this case is to develop basic understanding to nature of ego. And having realized the nature of ego, then one develop inspiration of renunciation. And renunciation is-- inspiration of renunciation is based on how previous teachers, how previous masters in your lineage have handled their ego and how they renounced. So they develop an inspiration to their examples, and from that, one begin to develop sense of devotion. Because that you are going through yourself in tremendous neurosis and pain and dissatisfaction and all kinds of things; and therefore, that examples that how they handle neurosis and ego becomes extraordinarily fantastic lesson to us. That we do not throw away our neurosis and we do not dwell on that, but we try to work with it. And neurosis, this case, synonym to pain.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144638/file/267362#t=177.0,306.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144638/file/267362/transcript/77284/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And the meaning of renunciation takes different kind of approach going back to the lineage of Milarepa. Study of Naropa's life, that Naropa was great Indian scholar who comprehend the hinayana and mahayana teachings of Buddhism, and he become expert at it and he taught other people on the theme. But at the same time, that he found something not quite complete, not quite full, and he was looking for furthering his experience, furthering his understanding. And because of that, that he search for such great masters. Reason why he feels he need to look for further inspiration is that, somewhat, the conventional hinayana and mahayana teachings are not purely based on stripping out ego's mask, and [he was] looking for further way of stripping out ego's mask.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144638/file/267362#t=306.0,395.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144638/file/267362/transcript/77284/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So in a sense, you could say that achievement and dissatisfaction -- whether intellectual or psychological, physical, materialistic comforts -- breeds further inspiration to try to eliminate the conventionality of satisfaction to your achievement, whatever. So the whole basic point here is that based on devotion, faith -- but faith and devotion not with the blind faith or blind devotion -- complete devotion, hundred-percent devotion, that ego cannot take part in it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144638/file/267362#t=395.0,444.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144638/file/267362/transcript/77284/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"At the same time, we could look at the different types of personalities that involved with lineage up to Milarepa himself has something to do with that Milarepa's heritage. That we have Tilopa, who is a person who did not have to seek for teaching, but teaching was found in himself -- that he just expose himself. And Naropa, who had to seek tremendously to the teachings, and he had to work hard at it for twelve years of punishment, so to speak, of discipline of all kinds. And then we have Marpa, who is an ambitious scholar who try to find means of living, livelihood, and acceptance in society in Tibet. Went for teaching, as [though] he is acquiring his new equity in his property; and instead, he found that he have to give up himself, completely. And he is another example.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144638/file/267362#t=444.0,525.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144638/file/267362/transcript/77284/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And those types of different attitude, different personality suggest that there's no one categorized, or one particular attitude which requires that person to come to the path, but different personalities could get into the teaching. So in other word, this lineage of Kagyupa teaching is not purely based on franchising your trip into certain particular style, and safety, security, and patterns of all kinds of success, but very individualistic, very much so, more than any of the other traditions that might have developed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144638/file/267362#t=525.0,578.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144638/file/267362/transcript/77284/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So Kagyupa tradition is not largely based on purely concentrating on the tantric discipline, alone. But it is also based on developing basic understanding in Buddhism general, in which that question is trying to find pain in life, and trying to find ambition in life, and also trying to find the subtleties of life. Those are the three examples of three \"yana.\" Trying to find the pain in life is the renunciation of hinayana. And trying to find the ambition in life, trying to get higher goal is bodhisattva's ambition. And the subtleties [of life] being tantric discovery of mystical experience. And so the Kagyu tradition are embodiment all those three types of approaches, with tremendous emphasis on spiritual friend, or guru.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144638/file/267362#t=578.0,648.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144638/file/267362/transcript/77284/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"From Kagyupa’s tradition and from Kagyupa’s attitude towards guru has threefold patterns. That guru at beginning is highly accomplished human being, who is much better than you, he knows better, he has more experience than you as student. Not quite the same level as being Superman as such, but almost to the point. That higher goal had achieved; so therefore, this guru is a higher person than us who trying to groping through the path and just about to find something, but haven't quite achieved. As a kind of Superman, but not quite in the same way as the power-hungry person. But somewhat hinayana's approach towards guru is someone who knows and wise and who has all the answers that we don't, and could save us from going through unnecessary problems, troubles, or looking somewhere else. But this person has the answer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144638/file/267362#t=648.0,714.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144638/file/267362/transcript/77284/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And mahayana's approach towards guru as a spiritual friend who has a direct link, direct communication with you as friend; but at the same time, very heavy-handed friend who minds your business, and who deals with your problems, not for you, but on behalf of you from your point of view. So that your irritation could bounce back on the mirror, could reflect back on you, rather than as someone who gives you sedatives to cure your problems on the spot.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144638/file/267362#t=714.0,748.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144638/file/267362/transcript/77284/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And from the vajrayana point of view, this spiritual friend transforms into a warrior, master warrior who teaches the students as becoming apprentice warriors. That the goal of achieving warriorhood is not based on how many enemies you have, or how many problems you have to tackle alone, but live in the attitude of warrior-ness. That there’s constant bravery, constant openness. That you have to deal with situations. In other word, that you have to see the whole involvement in life clearly, thoroughly, absolutely. And that's the attitude of warrior.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144638/file/267362#t=748.0,797.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144638/file/267362/transcript/77284/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, the Kagyupa tradition has those three principles embodied in one practice. That the general trusting attitude from hinayanist, and the friendliness of the mahayanist, and relate with warrior quality of the vajrayana, brings together. And all the attitude of guru from the Kagyupa’s point of view is based on that. So therefore, we could say that the Kagyupa path is highly involved with the communication with the guru. And without guru, that there's no spiritual gift, spiritual learning process. And it is due to guru that we have such opportunity and such situations. And if we unaware of our pain and confusion, the guru is responsible to ignite pain and confusion. And if you don't have enough confidence in ourselves, guru is the best friend who could also manufacture, so to speak, in the positive sense, to us. And if we lost our faith in the subtleties of our experience, that guru is also vanguard to present you with the subtleties of life in tantric point of view.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144638/file/267362#t=797.0,876.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144638/file/267362/transcript/77284/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So the-- before we get into Milarepa's life, that’s the-- as introductory thing, that devotion plays extremely important part in Milarepa's life and rest of the Kagyu lineage. And threefold attitude of hinayana, mahayana, and vajrayana's approach of devotion becomes important. And that seem to be starting point we should understand. And also that throughout the whole seminar, we will be making a lot of reference to guru, spiritual friend, teacher, and all kinds of challenges that comes out with that-- through that. So we should have a clear idea on the meaning of devotion to begin with.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144638/file/267362#t=876.0,925.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144638/file/267362/transcript/77284/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And we could discuss about that. If you like to ask questions, we could discuss about that before we introduce any further things. And I think, first of all, I hope that you will understand what does really mean by devotion and what does really mean by lineage, this point, which is starting point.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144638/file/267362#t=925.0,946.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144638/file/267362/transcript/77284/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 1]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: I don’t feel, Rinpoche, that I have the same access to my guru that you perhaps had to yours. I don’t know the relationship you had with your teacher, but from what I can understand, it was fairly close and you saw him quite often. And I don’t feel that I have the same access to my teacher. And I wondered if that’s a problem, or is it not a problem?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Thats depends on what kind of mentality you’re approaching with. If you’re approaching from the hinayanist level alone, then obviously that you need constant word of wisdom has be told to you, and you be kept encouraging, constantly. Whereas if you’re approaching, even from mahayanist point of view, that the attitude is that spiritual friend who, even you might spend twenty-four hours a day, a night with such guru, that you may not get any messages for years. And when the crucial moment comes, if the guru is long-distant, somehow or other the guru manages to mind your business.\r\n\r\n\r\nI think that’s question of, you see, there’s two kind of approaches. That it’s, I should go to my doctor everyday, or doctor will mind my business and call you on the phone, say, “have you taken your pills?” There’s two kind of things. Is if you made some kind of understanding, or gentleman’s agreement, between the guru and disciple, patient and doctor, that such involvement, such commitment, or if you are in stage that you need to be shaken, the situation will come up. Personally, I don’t mean to say any mystical experience, that you will have accident on the spot or anything like that at this point, but something will come through. And there is some way of passing the guru’s attitude to you, whether guru’s critical of you or guru is pleasing about you, what you are doing, what’s happening. So that seem to be more of the guru trying to get across to the students, rather than students have to beg for appointments, constantly. There seem to be two types approaches.\r\n\r\n\r\nDepends on what way we’re approaching. If you’re approaching purely in the hinayana level, then obviously that you have to go to the clinic, you had to wait in the waiting room, and you had to push through receptionist, whoever, and you have to do all these things. Whereas if the guru is acting as a policeman, so to speak, and drops your driveway and knock your door, and open your door. [Laughter] Even the mahayanist approach is guru is regard as someone who minds your business in the fashion of a policeman.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144638/file/267362#t=946.0,1152.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144638/file/267362/transcript/77284/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 2]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: When you talk of lineage, is it-- do you mean it in the sense of people who are the incarnations of future generations, or do you speak of it as blood ties?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Speaking as what?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Of, you know, real blood ties.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Blood ties?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You mean, kind of that you’re--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Like father-son, you know, that type of of relationship.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Dynasty?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I mean, lineage has nothing to do with genes, literally. You know, I mean, that's why it's called a thought transformation, you know, it's-- where the teaching is passed on to. And as far as the Kagyu lineage is concerned, nobody is physically their grandchildren or granddaughter, but they refer them as grandchildren because spiritually tied. You know, it’s-- lineage is the-- where the knowledge is handed down, in spiritual level.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144638/file/267362#t=1152.0,1223.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144638/file/267362/transcript/77284/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 3]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: Rinpoche, would you say that devotion extends through the teachings, as well as to the person of the guru, of the teacher? In other words, through some reading of teachings that present ideas, that you should try to in some way understand them or emulate them or some sense, or is it meant to--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I mean, that’s saying the same thing in a way. That teachings are related with someone to show you how to relate with the teaching. It’s the books and the knowledge that written down could be regarded as like tools, implements. That you need the personal experience of people who use that tool already and how to handle it. And otherwise, quite possibly, you might cut your thumb by using chainsaw without someone who already used. And maybe they’ve cut their thumbs already and had the experience of how to handle it. So that’s why it needs personal relationships. But then you can use the, you know, tools. Therefore, the importance of someone who is on lineage is absolute necessary.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144638/file/267362#t=1223.0,1351.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144638/file/267362/transcript/77284/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 4]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Is the lineage, the quality of a lineage, or -- I don't mean quality in terms of goodness or badness, but the characteristics of the lineage -- does it depend on, like, the character of the people who make it up? Are there a lot of different kind of-- lot of people can be part of the lineage. What is this thing that distinguishes one lineage from another -- the kind of devotion?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Also kind of style that tend to develop by a certain tradition. I mean, we could simply quite say that the factors of the certain particular lineage is the-- we could simplify by saying that the degree of crazy wisdom. And much more crazier, is much close to the effectiveness of its teaching. And the more you’re away from it, more you are more careful about even crazy wisdom, then you get-- you might have lineage of very cowardice people. But they are not really close to the energy dynamo. And people tend to develop certain style of -- I mean, by no means Tilopa was not just an ordinary person, and Naropa wasn't ordinary person, Marpa wasn't, and so forth, Milarepa wasn't. They're all somewhat eccentric people. [laughter]. Has their peculiarities in terms of crazy wisdom. And they develop their style, you know, they catch like -- what you call? -- flu, you know, contagious.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144638/file/267362#t=1351.0,1464.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144638/file/267362/transcript/77284/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 5]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Is the core of all lineages essentially the same?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: The core? Well, they have to start from somewhere and obviously they start as being human being, as confused person, if you think on that. But the other core is enlightenment, which is also seem to be saying the same thing -- is North pole and South pole makes whole world.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144638/file/267362#t=1464.0,1489.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144638/file/267362/transcript/77284/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 6]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: What do you mean by crazy wisdom?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Can somebody explain what crazy wisdom is? [Laughter] Who's here? I'm sure somebody can.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: Being an individual at any cost?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That depends. 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In other word, you could say the crazy wisdom has no allegiance with ego at all, none whatsoever, even conventional spiritual sense. That it’s straightforward. Wisdom which knows no limitation. Everything is done in a very honest and very direct and thorough, and even the deceptions of being a subject of crazy wisdom is be destroyed. So it’s like a three-hundred-degree mirror seeing itself.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144638/file/267362#t=1489.0,1660.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/144638/file/267362/transcript/77284/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 7]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: What happened to the lineage after Milarepa’s time? I mean, did it continue all the way to modern times? [Unknown gesture or incident;  laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, here we are. 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