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Tantra is the blossoming of the three-yana tree; therefore, one needs to have an understanding of the hinayana and mahayana. There is a quality of continuous basic sanity and direct perception of the world. This begins with experiencing the truth of suffering, impermanence, and egolessness. This understanding lays the foundation for experiencing life as mandala. The tantric approach is to work with one's daily living situation, which is tantra itself. The path becomes the goal.\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication"]},"value":{"en":["UNPUBLISHED"]}},{"label":{"en":["Transcription Credits"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eSep 12 2024 to Jun 15 2025 Transcribing: Ella Milligan Checking: Julia McKaig Final Proof: Ruth Veleta Other Contributors: Lynn Friedman, Blaire Martin\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003e© Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Year"]},"value":{"en":["1972"]}}],"summary":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eAbout the basis and basic view of tantra. Tantra is the blossoming of the three-yana tree; therefore, one needs to have an understanding of the hinayana and mahayana. There is a quality of continuous basic sanity and direct perception of the world. This begins with experiencing the truth of suffering, impermanence, and egolessness. This understanding lays the foundation for experiencing life as mandala. The tantric approach is to work with one's daily living situation, which is tantra itself. The path becomes the goal.\u003c/p\u003e"]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003e\u0026copy; Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved -\u0026nbsp;Not to be Distributed or Reproduced\u003c/p\u003e"]}},"provider":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["Chogyam Trungpa Digital Library"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["Chogyam Trungpa Digital Library"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/209/original/cti-library-logo-blue-text.png?1672724952","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/293/558/small/Logo-Audio-Red.png?1759345182","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 1 - open-uri20251001-2006876-4puxkx.mpga"]},"duration":5637.37888,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/293/558/small/Logo-Audio-Red.png?1759345182","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558/content/1/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-cti.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/293/558/original/open-uri20251001-2006876-4puxkx.mpga?1759343432","type":"Audio","format":"audio/mpeg","duration":5637.37888,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558/transcript/85022","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["19720504VCTR1-Transcript [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558/transcript/85022/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[19720504VCTR1 - University of Colorado - Boulder - Spring 1972 - Class 12] \r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]\r\n\r\n\r\nARP SLATE: This is the Venerable Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, University of Colorado Classes held 1972, in Boulder, Colorado. This is class number twelve, Tantra, May 4th, 1972.\r\n\r\n\r\nCTI SLATE: This is a CTI custom remaster made September 2024.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558#t=0.0,21.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558/transcript/85022/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: LECTURE]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [Whispering] Might have to wait for a few minutes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558#t=21.0,43.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558/transcript/85022/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This is being the last of the course. What we going to discuss is that of tantra. As our studies have developed as empirical process, that summit of this particular study is the experience of tantra, which seem to be only conclusion that one come to. But before we get excited about talking about tantra, we have to go through the implication of tantra and the birth of tantra, so to speak.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558#t=43.0,122.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558/transcript/85022/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In the case of the birth of tantra, as such, that as we have studied and gone through already in the successive situations of study, that we could say that starting with hinayana and its narrow-minded approach, and gradually developing from there to mahayana and its open way, and developing from the open way, that gradually we get involved with openness also needs play or dance in order to express the openness, which is the tantra. So tantra could be said as that of like blossom in the tree, the final glamorous quality, final expression.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558#t=122.0,186.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558/transcript/85022/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Reason why the tantric teachings not be recommended to a layman or ordinary student is because that it needs growth. The growth is depend on how much understanding of the hinayana and mahayana as well. So tantra becomes a final situation. And when we talk about tantra in this case, it's a study of consciousness in the experience of shunyata that we discuss last time -- nothingness or emptiness. That tantric experience cannot develop unless there is a sense of nonduality. The basic idea or basic term or basic concept of \"tantra\" means \"continuity.\" Or from that point of view, tantra could be regarded as a stream which continues constantly. Something which continues.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558#t=186.0,287.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558/transcript/85022/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Fundamental, technical definition of tantra, there's the threefold tantra. Tantra of the origin is the ground which we could all share, which is also continuous -- without ground we cannot plant seeds on it. And tantra of the path, which is that without path that we can't also perceive the-- or proceed further along in terms of continuity, at all. And tantra of the fruition, which is the final development of that seeing the continuity in the past and present and future -- that past, present, future experience become one, somewhat, that because there is a fundamental continuity all the time. So from that sense tantra could be said as that basically continuous situation which stretches from the now, past, as well as the future -- state of mind which involves with the basic sanity, basic continuity. That which continues in our living situation is not particular mysterious at all. That how we relate with the form, how we relate with the sound, and how relate with the vision, how relate with the feelings, that's the continuous quality of tantra.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558#t=287.0,394.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558/transcript/85022/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In this point when we talk about tantra, we're not talking about mysterious experience of miracles particularly at all. We are talking in terms of that continuity of the vision, continuity of the sound, continuity of the feeling, and so forth, and mind objects, whatever. So tantra from that point of view could be seen as that which perceives or has trust in visual perceptions, and sound perceptions, and feeling perceptions. Those perceptions not regarded as extraordinary anymore at all -- they are regarded as continuity. Because you begun that with, therefore you had continuity that way at the same time, so tantra from that point of view is further familiarity with the living world -- much more so than the mahayana or the hinayana, which also tend to present the case of the familiarity of world. But they are so much involved with their technique, doctrine or dogma, of mahayanistic attitude or the hinayanistic attitude and so forth. So tantra from that point of view is free of any dogma from that sense. That one could purely relate with existence as they are, directly and simply. Form is precisely form, therefore it has its form-ness. Form could become visual form. We could interpret in terms of all kinds of divinities, deities, herukas, dakinis, rakshasas, whatever you have. And sound is also been seen as-- heard as sound, in its simplistic approach. Simple sound of mantra of all kinds, or dharanis all kinds, mantras of all kinds, being heard because it's simplest point of view.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558#t=394.0,542.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558/transcript/85022/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So from that point of view the magical aspect of tantric art is-- it's not so much of tantric art as such, but it is a tantric approach to life, which is quite different when we talk about tantric art opposed to tantric approach to life. Tantra doesn't attempt to present art, provide art of any kin-- glamorous art of any kind at all, none whatsoever. Tantra trying to present its approach to life, that life is as it is. One does not question about meaning of life, because life means meaning, meaning means life, that sense. That one does not need any further re-emphasis of any kind at all, none whatsoever.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558#t=542.0,599.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558/transcript/85022/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So tantric approach to life from that sense is that person cannot approach tantric view of life either from the point of view of mantra, or from the point of view of visualizations, from the point of view of hatha yoga, or whatever. That tantric approach to life simply have to begin with perfect preparation. To relate with narrow path, start with the pain. In other word we could say that the glamorous quality of tantra is deceptive if you approach it directly. You cannot approach to tantra from the glamorous quality at all, none whatsoever. That we could approach to tantra only because the facts of life are involved with the study. The facts of life, like we have discovered from the-- from point of view of… from the point of view of hinayana, experiencing narrowness, experiencing claustrophobia, somewhat that you have no other choice but just trod on the path. That's the starting point of tantra. Start very narrow, and then gradually begin to dance the whole thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558#t=599.0,707.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558/transcript/85022/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So from this point of view tantric approach to life is to experience the impermanence, which is the only continuity, which is the only permanent. The transitory qualities are the only permanent. Without experience of the transitory quality of life, transitory qualities of events or energies or whatever, we cannot experience the dance of the dakinis, or the dance of gauris, or the dance of herukas, or whatever the tantric symbolism might use. For that matter we can't even have a glimpse of possibilities unless we experience the impermanence of constant death and birth is the only existence, only permanent things that involved, we cannot experience true tantric experience at all, none whatsoever. But there's moreover, that unless we experience the sense of pain, suffering, that spiritual achievement is not based on achieving pleasure or achieving bliss of any kind. But it is purely looking in terms of the predictable situation of that whenever there's a search for, or yearning for, pleasure, the yearning for pleasure automatically becomes pain, at the same time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558#t=707.0,817.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558/transcript/85022/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So the-- in other word we could say that understanding of the all-pervading, ubiquitous quality of pain, suffering, which is much more spacious than searching for pleasure, is looking for claustrophobic situations. Whenever we yearn for-- whenever we understand rather, for pain, that is a spacious situation which provides the music. So from tantric point of view approaching these principles of basic Buddhism, that you could say that understanding of \"pain\", \"duhkha\", \"suffering\", is the music. Understanding impermanence prevents-- provides the dance. So tantric experience begin to develop between that music and dance. [Laughs] You might say that's very grim situation that [laughs] only thing you could play with the-- your grandparents are skeletons, that's the only toy that you have left for you. That sounds that way, but at the same time it is fun to play with the grandparents' skeletons as a toy, [laughter] nevertheless -- very artistic. And nonetheless couldn't be said as morbid at all, none whatsoever. It's a natural toy that we have, is to play with the grandparents' skeletons, which represents death, which represents birth, which represents impermanence and pain.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558#t=817.0,939.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558/transcript/85022/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And moreover, further on, the tantric approach to life is that of egolessness, selflessness, whatever you like to call it. That selflessness or egolessness is from that sense regarded as something that ego or self is irrelevant rather than egoless or nonexistent ego, that ego's function is redundant approach.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558#t=939.0,971.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558/transcript/85022/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Because of that there is there is tremendous space to not have center, because there's tremendous situation of not having speed, not have time, because there's tremendous situation not having any kind of value judgment, terms of pleasure and pain, therefore the-- that provides the foundations of mandala. In the symbolism the mandala is created on the charnel ground. And on top of that charnel ground that mandala has developed as a structural situation of it has four colors-- five colors, four directions, all kinds of devas and devatas dancing, meditating, radiating their presence, and so on. So mandala from that point of view is that our life situation becomes mandala, because our life situation contains impermanence, as well as our life situation contains suffering -- and that of selflessness, needlessness of self, continuously happens.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558#t=971.0,1059.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558/transcript/85022/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So tantric approach to life from that sense is-- could be said that basic environment in which that we operate: our daily living situation is tantra. That we have all kinds of negativities coming, all kinds of self-punishment begin to develop. And more punishment, self-punishment, more negativities develop, that much reinforcement mandala is begin to become clear and precise.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558#t=1059.0,1103.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558/transcript/85022/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We could say the fundamental approach of Buddhism, as I have already said, that tantra is the peak of Buddhist experience, that you can ever achieve, is the crest of the pyramid. Reason why it is crest of pyramid is because that we are not dependent on any reassurance of anything at all, none whatsoever. We are taking existing situations -- pain, impermanence, egolessness -- as the basic substance, as material to work with. So therefore it becomes what's my-- what is known in traditional terms \"imperial yana.\" \"Yana\" means \"vehicle,\" vehicle which is imperial approach, has imperial approach. It has aerial approach. It has a complete perspective that as though you are on top of Mount Everest, that you could look down upon all the other mountains as part of your orbit. That one never had to look up on anything particularly at all. Because all the problems and all the possibilities of pain, possibility of discomfort, as possibilities of joy and bliss, are included that particular vision of tantra from that sense. So tantric approach of life from that sense is the-- not trying to solve problem of life particularly, but work with that life as approach. Approach becomes life, goal becomes the path, path becomes goal.\r\n\r\n\r\nWe could have discussion on that. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558#t=1103.0,1233.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558/transcript/85022/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 1]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: Could you explain what role the tantric teachings play in-- for those studying the hinayana and mahayana?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What teachings, did you say?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: Tantric. [Pronounces \"tantric\" with an  American accent; laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Unknown gesture or incident;\r\n\r\n\r\nlaughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think they are-- they become guidelines. Unless you have some glimpse of tantra -- [pronounces \"tantra\" with American  accent] tantra -- [laughter] that you don't have glimpse of complete teaching of the Buddha.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: The who? [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Of the Buddha. [Pronounces \"Buddha\" with an  American accent] The Buddha.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558#t=1233.0,1285.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558/transcript/85022/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 2]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Hinayana and mahayana, as come from the viewpoint of progressing towards tantra, would necessarily be different than mahayana towards mahayana.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mahayana, what?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Mahayana has come from the viewpoint of progressing towards tantra. The principle of mahayana Buddhism, if it's progressive, it's being taught from the viewpoint that tantra, would be different than mahayana just taught by somebody who was a mahayanist.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well you see the whole point is that if person is-- has complete compassion of mahayana, that automatically means that they have understanding of vajrayana, as well at the same time. So person might-- may not refer to themselves as a tantric practitioner as such, but their inspiration becomes mahayana or vajrayana, for that matter. Same thing that we find that certain-- in Theravadin countries like Ceylon and Burma or Thailand are hinayanists. But their insight, their approach to meditation practice, is very tantric and very mahayanistic, because their understanding is very precise and very sharp. So in other word somebody may not refer themselves as old man, but they're already seventy-five years old, in terms of their experiences. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558#t=1285.0,1416.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558/transcript/85022/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 3]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: Rinpoche, you spoke of pain as being the music. Is it true that we-- I usually associate the word \"pain\" with \"unhappy\", but would it be true that if I wasn't looking, say, from-- looking from ego, from me being-- me hurting, so to speak, if there wasn't a dualistic point of view, that the words \"pain\" and \"unhappy\" would not be equated?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think they're equated.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: They're equated?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: Take that, Rinpoche. [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558#t=1416.0,1475.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558/transcript/85022/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 4]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Rinpoche, could you define the difference between discriminating intelligence and ego, or discriminating wisdom?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Discriminating intelligence is that which relate with... discriminating intelligence is that which relate with the facts of life. That it is five o'clock. That it is nighttime, it is daytime. And ego's approach of discrimination is \"I hate being nighttime, I like to be at daytime.\" [Laughter] Has certain implications behind the actual facts, so consequently that we might interpret being night as maybe being daytime, from the point of view of ego -- distortion begin to develop, from that point of view. Cold is hot, hot is cold, whatever.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: So when you say egoless, you just have discriminating intelli--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Precision.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Yeah. [INAUDIBLE]--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: So that there's no distortion at all, because then there's no philosophy or metaphysical approach, opposed to your desires, involved at all.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: There's still the individual though, right? Can self leading to--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well \"individual\" -- that's very tricky word to use. Individual in sense of \"me and myself\", there's no individuality from that sense. But individuality in a sense of precision is there always, because the world is precise therefore that is your individuality. Black is black, white is white, that is your individuality, rather than individual as \"me\" being-- perceiving that individuality. \"Me\" being that particular situation perceiving is my personal experiences. The experience experience themselves, so therefore there is no requirements to make sure that you have individuality anymore. Because things are individual enough. [Unknown gesture or incident;  laughter] Situations becomes individual, rather than you are making them-- you are collecting them as individual experiences, as such.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Is this kind of a vacuum as far as the personality?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: There is no personality at all. There's no vacuum. It's like wildflowers growing in the mountains: blossoms, dies. They are not ostentatious flowers because they don't need audience, they function by themselves.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558#t=1475.0,1686.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558/transcript/85022/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 5]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: Rinpoche, this thing you said about yearning for pleasure being claustrophobic and pain being spacious -- isn't it the yearning that's claustrophobic? I mean someone could begin to yearn for pain. I mean once you're in the pain that's spacious, one could begin to yearn for pain. [Laughter] Is it the yearning that's claustrophobic rather than the pain or the pleasure, when your experiences widen?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well yearning for pleasure or pain with the ideas of that's going to be good for you, fundamentally is categorized as part of the pleasure.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: But just the experience of pleasure itself, say, you know, on your [INAUDIBLE] spontaneous experience of pleasure is not claustrophobic [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well it needs maintenance of some kind, always. And whenever that you are in ideal situation, you'll think of \"what I'm going to do next time?\" There's some kind of program involved, maintenance involved. So that automatically implies that your enjoyment of spaciousness is limited in some orbit, some areas. That you don't feel completely expanded situation at all, in any way.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: But isn't there a point in which one can experience pleasure without looking forward to its ending, you know, [INAUDIBLE]--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Sure, definitely so. Then you lose the idea of pain and pleasure, [laughs] pleasure is pain. [Laughter; laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: But isn't that what Chris was asking? Then there is a distinction between pain when that happens, [INAUDIBLE], whereas pain is different.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You could say that, but not always. If you been getting indoctrinated in terms of spiritual sense, good to experience the pain, then it immediately becomes a conditioned pain. Like you should experi-- you torture yourself, and you should experience pain, you're going to cut off your bad karmas, whatever, you let that becomes a conditioned pain, which means that exactly the same thing except you're searching for pleasure.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: [INAUDIBLE]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well if you search for pain, for the goodness of achieving enlightenment, then it is exactly the same thing searching for pleasure. Because pain from that point of view means you have a reward.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558#t=1686.0,1886.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558/transcript/85022/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 6]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: What did you mean in the-- I asked this question once before. And the reason I brought the question up that I originally did about pain and unhappiness was with respect to the statement of \"pain and pleasure being ornaments pleasant to wear\" that was in your writing, the Sadhana [of Mahamudra]. That somehow the dualistic view of unhappiness there was something missing then.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What was--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: When you wrote that, what did you mean?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I didn't mean anything, [laughter; laughs] except what I said. [Laughter] You can't ask a poet, \"What do you mean?\" Then it becomes a philosophy. Poet should not become philosopher, they should just become poets. If they mean something that becomes propaganda. [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558#t=1886.0,1996.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558/transcript/85022/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 7]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: Rinpoche, is there a relationship between the origin of the path and fruition of tantra [INAUDIBLE] shunyata? [INAUDIBLE] the last seminar?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think so, yeah, definitely, because shunyata provides the basic inspiration of spacious quality. It's like providing an empty space. Having provide empty space then you could put pictures on that to appreciate the details of life, whatever it may be. Yeah, that's definite.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558#t=1996.0,2036.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558/transcript/85022/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 8]\r\n\r\n\r\nLILLA KALMAN: Is-- since shunyata is also the same as dharmakaya, and the light, the best light is the one light, is the light of dharmakaya, is there something more than emptiness? Isn't that sort of like the essence of energy that [INAUDIBLE] all energy?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well whenever you say \"emptiness\" that means everything, so one doesn't have to justify by saying, \"Emptiness is just purely emptiness.\" Emptiness contain fullness, same time. So that means automatically sambhogakaya, nirmanakaya as well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558#t=2036.0,2099.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558/transcript/85022/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 9]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Is the perspective of seeing everything as energy, is that energy's perspective?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Depends what you mean by \"energy.\"\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Well to-- example like when encountering pain, considering that the mind-- mindful criteria, where if that's relaxed or removed then it becomes energy, and isn't-- it doesn't exist as pain, it becomes different experience.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I don't see the point.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Well, it seems you need the element of mind differentiated, but if everything is energy it's mindless in the sense of it's not pain, it's phenomena, but it isn't--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well energy from that sense is not just unintelligent energy. Energy has its own function. The fundamental idea of energy is intelligence referred to-- reflecting each other, like whole room of mirrors. Because they reflect each other therefore it becomes energy, so energy is made out of intelligence or the mind, if you like to call it. So there is no problem. Energy becomes skillful automatically, or intelligent automatically. Otherwise there is no energy at all, it becomes slavery, whatever.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Is it self-deceiving then or self-deception to encounter pain as energy as opposed to pain? When dealing with it as-- just as a field of energy, is that self-deception or should you-- is that trying to make some kind of contortion like eliminate-- illuminate the intelligence which guides you away from that, so that dealing with--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well energy could approach directly, simply, without relating with deception particularly at all. Once it begin to aware of deceptions then you begin to deceive yourself because you want to get off deceptions. And then all game goes on and on, because deception need further sophisticated deceptions to not deceive yourself. And the deception becomes snowball. Finally it becomes unbearable, and then somewhat kind of exposures involved to bust that out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558#t=2099.0,2295.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558/transcript/85022/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 10]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: Does seeing things from a tantric [with American accent] point of view-- oops! [INAUDIBLE] Excuse me, does seeing things from a tantric [pronounced \"tahn-tric\"] [laughter] point of view-- you describe that as the-- a kind of formless form point of view and simple, direct perception. And I don't-- I want to know how that includes the-- how Gampopa [with American accent]-- Gampopa [pronounced \"Gahm-popa\"], for example, [laughter] describes the peaks, buddha activity, that sort of thing, as perception, including knowing past and future karma of things. And that seems more complicated than what you describe about that tantric [with American accent] viewpoint -- *tantric* [\"tahn-tric\"]! [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Buddha activity -- did you say buddha activity?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: Yeah. Seems like it's so full of skillful means and--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: --and advanced per-- kind of perception. Knowing other people's minds, that sort of thing. I don't see how that relates to a simple, direct kind-- form is form, even if it's--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I see, yeah. Well that's a very mahayana question.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: Could you give me any kind of answer? [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: In fact, you could say that very Zen question -- not in the Zen of sudden enlightenment but Zen of traditional Zen. But the point of view of sudden understanding of relating with things does not need any improvisor from tantric point of view, because things are as they are. You do not need the attitude. In the case of mahayana approach, bodhisattva's approach, you do need the attitude. Because you are constantly trying to serve sentient beings and trying not to centralize yourself. But this case that you do not need any attitude of anything at all. It's a direct experience. Which you-- transcends from the attitude or particular sense of goal or achievement, from that sense.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: Do you mean that working without an attitude from a mahayana point of view appears as if it's working within the framework of all that saving beings and that sort of thing?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, automatically. It becomes unavoidable. But in the case of tantra you have no framework, you have no ground, you are suspended in nowhere, in midair.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558#t=2295.0,2493.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558/transcript/85022/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 11]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Is the attitude innate?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Is the attitude what?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Innate.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Innate -- no. It's a glimpse, rather than body.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Then is the mahayana an awakened state of mind? [Unknown gesture or incident;  laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: Well, Rinpoche, if it's not innate, then it must be-- [INAUDIBLE]. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: If the mahayana [UNCLEAR: make? innate?] the state of mind? So much so. So much so. that seem to be the problem of mahayana. It's a sincere [UNCLEAR: making?] state of mind.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: Sincere waking?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Sincerely, yeah. Honestly.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: Once I've found it?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: That seems to be the problem, [UNCLEAR: to ones who have found  it?].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I wouldn't say it's exact problem, [laughs] but that's hang-up more likely than problem. When you become sincerely millionaire, you behave like one. If you are accidentally millionaire you don't behave like one.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558#t=2493.0,2623.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558/transcript/85022/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 12]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: Well what's the difference then between an attitude to serve sentient beings that you associate with the bodhisattva, and attainment of trying to help people, which is essentially considered spiritual materialism and the reason for taking the bodhisattva vow to not be attaining something, so to speak? What's the difference between that and this attitude of helping sentient beings which doesn't exist in tantra?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: WelI I wouldn't say helping sentient beings does not exist in tantra at all, it becomes part of tantric framework to begin with, anyway. But at the same time that some approach to softness opposed to craziness, which is comes from tantra point of view, is that you want to help-- or you want to relate with sentient beings, but you don't use conventional patterns of gentleness. But in the case of bodhisattva that you constantly step out of aggression. So in other word unless you step out of aggression you can't become tantric practitioner, which need to be practiced at the beginning -- you can't be crazy, outrageous, unless there's no aggression.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: Well--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: So that means you cannot practice tantra unless you've gone through the bodhisattva's path of mahayana, at the same time. But still, that could be regarded as very primitive approach.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: The gentlest approach?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Is primitive approach. Too much in keeping with the conventional ideas of goodness, somewhat.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: I guess the subtle difference between that gentleness approach and the spiritual materialism approach, what you're speaking of, for instance, propaganda, as you were mentioning before, saying, \"If you do something like this you're going to find sweetness and light\" so to speak...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think so, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: The difference there is-- is that the difference between the dualistic approach to helping people and the nondualistic approach?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Dualistic approach of materialistic approach, spiritual materialistic approach to life, to spirituality, is you get reward, constantly, all the time. But in the case of bodhisattva's approach of without spiritual materialism, is that you still feel reassured by trodding on the path of nonaggression.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: But there's no reward? In other words you're not aiming for it.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You are not aiming particularly. But at same time that you get constant answers coming back to you about being gentle.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558#t=2623.0,2827.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558/transcript/85022/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 13]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: What's the reassurance involved with the first stage of the bodhisattva path of the perfection of generosity? With-- I've heard that said to be giving without idea of give or gift or receiver. Where would the reassurance come in?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Because you are traveling on the very open path. We could say that it is more of a sense of spaciousness. Too much experience of shunyata as being an open path rather than full of experience of energy. It's approach towards the peaceful state.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: Is it sort of getting hooked on the pleasure of the experience of--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Not necessarily. It's a sense of simplicity become a hang-up, from that sense. Tantric approach is deliberately working with complications. And the bodhisattva's path is working with too much simplicity. And the hinayana approach from that sense could be said as regarding world as primitive. So you transcend from the sense of primitive notion of literal world or confused world, and then you begin to see the world as very simple. Somewhat you begin to dwell on that. Then beyond that you begin to develop, there's something more than just simplicity. Simplicity contains energy as well at the same time, which is tantric approach.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558#t=2827.0,2937.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558/transcript/85022/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 14]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: Rinpoche, what's the alternative to the hang-up you were talking about with the mahayana?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I suppose one could say that the sweetness of compassion. [Laughs] Being too kind.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558#t=2937.0,2986.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558/transcript/85022/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: BREAK FOR DISCUSSION GROUPS]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Might have to stop, that point. Having discussion groups [UNCLEAR: provided? divided?]. SPEAKER2: [INAUDIBLE] the students who were in [INAUDIBLE]--\r\n\r\n\r\n[GAP IN AUDIO]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558#t=2986.0,3015.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558/transcript/85022/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 15]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: I want to go back to that question I asked you before about ego. You said that when there is no ego, there is no perceiver, but then how can one discriminate? But there is intelligent discrimination, discriminating intelligence, then you know how could I discriminate whether you know, that it was five o'clock, if I couldn't-- you know I'd have to perceive it was five o'clock, right?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You don't have to necessarily. Perceive-- perception seem to be unnecessary reassurance. That you don't have to employ a watchman -- you can be yourself watchman.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: But isn't that a type of perception, being able to--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No, not at all. Perception in-- is very mechanistic thing, in which that sense of communication not based on the communication but sense of communication is based on reassurance.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: How so?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Because reassurance is based on idea of maintenance of your faculty is functioning properly, so ego is functioning properly. Therefore you need your perception.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Isn't that apart, you know, from ego perceptions, like the five senses, right?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Isn't that something apart from ego?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Perceptions part of ego, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: I mean a-part, I mean, you know, separated from.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Apart?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Not always. The conventional idea of perception is affirmation. It's like checking out your instrument.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: And versus just accepting--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You're purely depend on instrument rather than you forget that you can use your faculties without using instrument. You need the media.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Being the ego.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, ego's perception.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Oh, I see, so that's-- because that's like part of it. It doesn't have to be part of it, but it usually is.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Usually is, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558#t=3015.0,3209.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558/transcript/85022/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 16]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: You call that just seeing?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Perception?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: Well if perception is part of the ego, then nonperceiving, the not seeing egotistically, what do you call that?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Probably looking.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: Just looking.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: Not seeing.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Which means implication.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: What's--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Implication.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: Implication.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That you look in order to see, so that seeing becomes much heavy than just pure perceiving. So you deliberately put your effort into it to-- looking implies expectation that you might see. You ask the audience? [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: You're on stage.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558#t=3209.0,3265.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558/transcript/85022/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 17]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Before when you were talking about discriminating awareness, and you said it's like looking outside and saying, \"It's dark outside.\" It's not a value judgment, it's saying what is. What about pain, you know, awareness of pain? Is that a value judgment? Or, by looking around and saying that-- seeing the misery in samsara, is that discriminating awareness? Is that--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Depends on how you view it.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: For instance if I have a pain--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, but that doesn't make any differences. Whether you are a buddha or whether you are ordinary person you're always in pain, because you have a body.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: So is saying, \"I have a pain\" the same as saying, \"It's dark outside\", or you know?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: By seeing people who-- poor people or crippled people, hungry people, and saying, \"This is pain\", is that the same thing also?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well you know they're in pain, sure. But it depends on how you evaluate that, as being the bad management of the government, or part of the karmic relationship of karmic situation of philosophical point of view, or whether you have personal feeling about them, directly relating with them, that's up to you. You have tremendous choice. Experiencing that kind of conflict is open space, in fact, in other word. But it's up to you how to relate with it.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: But it seems like I'm putting a value judgment-- now it's saying-- I would say, \"That's samsara, that's misery\" when I look at all these, you know, poor people, for instance. That seems like I'm putting a value judgment by saying this.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Definitely, yeah. You don't have to say-- tell yourself that is samsaric thing, because it is so, therefore there's no point in saying it. It becomes a hang-up if you say it, because you're putting into categories of some kind rather than actual function.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Is there a nonclassified, sort of intuitive, empirical relationship to pain? That as a-- well-- but have you-- well what do you do with pain? I mean like if there's physical pain, physical bodily pain, is there a way that is authentic relating to it-- authentically relating to it, which isn't either relating for it-- relating to it in the context of pain or pleasure?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think so, yeah, as a concept.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: There is an authentic way to relate to it as a concept.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Without a concept.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Without a concept.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Well what is the polarity of the dialogue? Or their relating isn't a dialogue, but what is that situation, what is that-- is that-- with what do you relate to it nonconceptually? Intuition?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I suppose you could say that's proper communication, discriminate awareness, intelligence, primordial intelligence, which does not need any filters anymore to go through.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558#t=3265.0,3501.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558/transcript/85022/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 18]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: Where do you get this kind of awareness?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You don't. You have it.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: Well how do you-- it seems to be-- in my case it seems to be sort of bound up in lots of conceptualization.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: But that's the starting point.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: But how do you go further from there?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: By relating with your bound-up situation. That's the starting point of one of the big problem [UNCLEAR: primordial interpret?].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558#t=3501.0,3538.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558/transcript/85022/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 19]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: I don't know, maybe that would be the way that meditating with the energy, in the sense of, if you just felt [INAUDIBLE] the negativity that was going on, rather than blaming or [INAUDIBLE] I don't really understand how that could be reached.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well because it's energy, it is functioning, on the spot. It does not need any reinforcement. It is function as it is.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: The negative energy?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Whatever, yeah. Negative or the positive.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Which doesn't mean anything very much in terms of negative or positive, but has energy. They are self-sufficient.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: And at that point that you would just see it as negative energy, would no longer be negative energy because--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's the whole point I'm trying to point out. It's not regarded as a particular negative energy as such, but is regarded as energy, just pure neutral energy. Which we colored by our concept as being negative or a positive.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: But it wouldn't-- it would no longer be negative if one experienced it truly as negative. I mean--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: From that point of view there would be longer positive either. It's just a true experience, beyond the polarities.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: There's really nothing you can do rather than dealing with negativity.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I mean there's nothing you can do about negating energy altogether.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: [Laughs] There's got to be something you can do.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I don't think so. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: What are you talking about?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What you talking about? It's the hopelessness of it. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: Oh, I see--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I mean negative, positive, is just duplicity of mind. You might decide to call the moon \"June\", sun \"George.\" They're just purely names. [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558#t=3538.0,3659.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558/transcript/85022/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 20]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: Why does the ego want to continue this whole struggle?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: Why does the ego continue this whole struggle? From the point of view of intelligence I can see that it's just a waste of time, but then I come up with a sort of polarity between intelligence and what the ego is doing.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well ego wants continue because enjoys its indulgency.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: What?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Enjoys its indulgency.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It enjoys its indulgency.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: What do you have to do, just wait until it gets tired?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It's not as simple as that. Ego has all kinds of fortifications to maintain its indulgency.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: But how would-- what is the opposite or what is the-- that-- of this indulgency?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Without ego, without experience. So you can't reassure yourself, enjoy yourself.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: You can't what?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Reassure yourself, enjoy yourself. You cannot take part in that you have created yourself.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558#t=3659.0,3761.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558/transcript/85022/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 21]\r\n\r\n\r\nLILLA KALMAN: Is there a process whereby the ego-- one can begin to use the ego to transcend the ego? Or is that the ego becomes a different kind of experience, like a laboratory? In a laboratory you observe, where you notice certain reactions that you had. They're sort of habitual, but your angle is different. And that--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I suppose we could say the ego becomes, from that sense, idle. LILLA KALMAN: Idle?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558#t=3761.0,3807.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558/transcript/85022/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 22]\r\n\r\n\r\nCYRUS CRANE: I don't understand the relationship of the bodhisattva to tantric [American accent] Buddhism, or should I say tantric [\"tahn-tric\"] Buddhism. [Laughter; laughs] In other words, that it looks as though the bodhisattva is not-- or shouldn't be interested in tantric [American accent] Buddhism-- tantric [\"tahn-tric\"] Buddhism, at all. Is that--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It's saying the same thing.\r\n\r\n\r\nCYRUS CRANE: What?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It's saying the same thing.\r\n\r\n\r\nCYRUS CRANE: I didn't hear it.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It's ssaying the same thing.\r\n\r\n\r\nCYRUS CRANE: Saying the same thing? What do you mean?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [INAUDIBLE] tantric [American accent] Buddhism, tantric [\"tahn-tric\"] Buddhism. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nCYRUS CRANE: How do you pronounce it, tantric [\"tahn-tric\"]? Tantric, is that right?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nCYRUS CRANE: The bodhisattva is not...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes?\r\n\r\n\r\nCYRUS CRANE: if the bodhisattva is not a part of tantric Buddhism, is that what I understood you to--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I wouldn't say. If you're a teenager, you are old man -- you are old man already.\r\n\r\n\r\nCYRUS CRANE: Yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Do you see what I mean? If you're a teenager, you are old man already.\r\n\r\n\r\nCYRUS CRANE: Yeah. I don't understand.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You're already old.\r\n\r\n\r\nCYRUS CRANE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You're fifteen years old. [Laughter] But on the other hand you might say you're fifteen years young. Saying the same thing.\r\n\r\n\r\nCYRUS CRANE: I see that. So that confirms what I said. He's not interested in this whole thing.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I wouldn't say that either. Interested doesn't apply anymore at that point, it's what he is.\r\n\r\n\r\nCYRUS CRANE: Interested is not a part of the problem. Is that what you mean?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No, it just not part of the problem.\r\n\r\n\r\nCYRUS CRANE: So he can be or can't be, it doesn't make any difference.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: But he is.\r\n\r\n\r\nCYRUS CRANE: He is what? [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What he is. [Laughter] CYRUS CRANE: Who's that? [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Is. [Laughter] It is.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558#t=3807.0,4013.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558/transcript/85022/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 23]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You were going to say something?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: When we are following the bodhisattva path in its simplicity--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Simplicity?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: The simplicity. TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: Isn't it-- couldn't you get into ignoring the negativity of the environment? Or--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Ignoring?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: Well in a sense that would seem, in a sense, more confusing. It might seem confusing if you're on that path. [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Ignoring negativity. I don't think becomes confusion. Ignoring negativity -- what you mean by that?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: Well I'm not sure, I was just thinking that-- and this-- one attitude, this attitude of the bodhisattva path, that it's-- it seems narrow again because it doesn't seem to be as much involved with negativity and confusion, and you know working situations.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well it does because his work is based on working with the situations. And he has his raw material coming from living situation, whatever that may be.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: And that's still simple? It still has that simplicity, right?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, because he can only relate with the raw material as they are, which is very simple. Which is quite different from tantric approach. The tantric approach is you don't only deal with the raw material alone, but their implication behind it.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: Implication behind it? What's that?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's the possible creation, possible creative situation. That you just deal with yeast to make bread, is the bodhisattva's approach. But tantric approach that you-- by using yeast you can make yourself a beer. [Laughter; laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558#t=4013.0,4180.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558/transcript/85022/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 24]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: Is it possible to skip the mahayana altogether?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I don't think so. [Laughter] That's the mistake we always made.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It become too [UNCLEAR: traumatic? dramatic?].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558#t=4180.0,4200.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558/transcript/85022/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 25]\r\n\r\n\r\nLILLA KALMAN: If a bodhisattva-- if a situation occurs which makes it necessary to help, and there's a choice not to-- a choice that makes it possible for a bodhisattva action to help somebody to grow, not to give comfort or consolation, but they assume the stance that will help a person to transcend a particular situation, isn't that a creative thing? Is that [INAUDIBLE] creative beyond bodhisattva?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: If bodhisattva decide on-- LILLA KALMAN: If a bodhisattva action involves seeing what may be helpful -- not pleasurable, not comforting, not consoling, but helpful -- in catapulting a person off a situation to a higher level, possibility, in themselves, isn't that a creative situation?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I don't think so. Well I mean that creates a situation, yeah. I don't see that there's any particular problem about that. LILLA KALMAN: Would you call that a tantric approach, or a--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Not necessarily, because he have to manipulate the thing rather than jumping into it. A tantric situation does not allow any logic. In tantric process mindfulness becomes direct experience. In the bodhisattva's approach mindfulness becomes path.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558#t=4200.0,4307.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558/transcript/85022/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 26]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: Are you saying that in tantrism that your awarenesses are com-- your actions are just completely natural?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: Don't you have that-- isn't that prajna that makes you do things, or do you just do them?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No, it's jnana that does-- makes you do things, not prajna. Because prajna is discriminating in terms of sense of developing intelligence. In case of jnana that intelligence there already, you don't have to use it anymore.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: You mean it uses itself?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, it's like fire, opposed to sword.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558#t=4307.0,4356.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558/transcript/85022/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 27]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: Is there a relationship between the three yanas and the three kayas?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think so, yeah, that's been-- I thought we discussed that some time ago, which is the narrow path is related with nirmanakaya or the bodily situation. And sambhogakaya is related with mahayana of teaching and speech. And vajrayana is connected with the teaching of the mind, all-encompassing space of sense of mandala.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558#t=4356.0,4425.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558/transcript/85022/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 28]\r\n\r\n\r\nCYRUS CRANE: Rinpoche, what is the idea of-- that you were expressing last night -- it's unlikely I'm getting it all right, so -- about aggression? That a bodhisattva is not supposed to have any aggression. What sense did you mean aggression anyway? Did you mean for instance if somebody was to hit me, say I wasn't to return the blow? Or were you talking about laying trips, your own trips, on other people as aggression?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I suppose we could say aggression in the sense that, your asking this particular question could be said as aggression.\r\n\r\n\r\nCYRUS CRANE: That this would be considered as aggression?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [Laughing] Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nCYRUS CRANE: Why?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Because you want to very badly know, what is all about.\r\n\r\n\r\nCYRUS CRANE: Shouldn't I want to know that?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You should, but you don't have to ask questions.\r\n\r\n\r\nCYRUS CRANE: [Laughs] Well, if I figure it out myself, then it's not aggression, is that right?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It's putting too simply. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nCYRUS CRANE: But I might have figured it out wrong, and then--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's possible, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nCYRUS CRANE: Oh. So what do I do? [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [Laughs] I don't know. [Laughter] Do something.\r\n\r\n\r\nCYRUS CRANE: My asking you this question is aggression?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Because you want to know very badly.\r\n\r\n\r\nCYRUS CRANE: Because I want to know badly--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nCYRUS CRANE: --and that's aggressive to want to know badly?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, because you are striving.\r\n\r\n\r\nCYRUS CRANE: Oh. Then if I give up the striving and make a mistake and not be aggressive, then I'm liable to be wrong, and then I won't know what I want to know, as to [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well if you trust yourself--\r\n\r\n\r\nCYRUS CRANE: Trust myself.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Probably you won't make mistakes.\r\n\r\n\r\nCYRUS CRANE: I trust myself.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Because you're relating with your innate natures. You don't have to ask somebody how to cross the road. If you use your own logic, there are cars coming on the other side. Whereas if you trust people too much, they might take you across the road that you don't want to cross. [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558#t=4425.0,4594.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558/transcript/85022/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 29]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: Is what the sutra says-- the Buddha said that it's wonderful that all beings are enlightened and that he's the buddha and it's wonderful that everyone else is. Is that a kind of mahayana description of a tantric experience?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [Laughing] Mahayana description, tantric experience. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: I mean, from a tantric point of view would he-- is that free of labels like buddha nature and that sort of thing?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Not at all. He would accentuate the whole thing. The-- from tantric point of view, he wouldn't see buddha nature, but a buddha itself. He wouldn't see even nature, because nature means underdeveloped. You have potential. From tantric point of view it is-- you are buddha itself, himself.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: Well sometimes in the Lotus Sutra he makes that kind of observations that when things aren't underdeveloped but fully developed--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: --things that we ordinarily see as coarse and underdeveloped, is that--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well that's close to it because it's the advanced school of Madhyamaka which talks about-- instead of talking about shunyata, talked about \"prabhasvara\" which is \"luminosity.\"\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: Well why is it so fantastic, as opposed to [INAUDIBLE] things as they are again?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It's there they are, if they as they are--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: Yeah but--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --it is fantastic.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: --I mean, it's not actually sitting on a throne of, you know, [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No, no. No.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: Why can't you just say he's sitting on the ground?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's what it says.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: It says he's sitting on diamonds and all that, and that there's-- the space is full of, you know, celestial beings.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, that's true. [Laughter] That only happens because he is [UNCLEAR: earthed] with this mudra, means \"I am the earth.\" That he's part of the earth. That's why if you are being earth you have perspective way of seeing the celestial beings and stars and suns and moons. If you are not the earth, you have no way of viewing the glories of the universe at all. It's how much you are solid, that much you have your way of seeing the colorful aspect of the world. Until the situation of developing mandala experience as well. Because you provide yourself as a ground. If there's ground of related situation therefore things could be beautiful and splendrous because it's something to relate with. That particular relationship doesn't have to be ugly or grotesque, just purely because there's earth, therefore things could be beautiful on earth. And from that point of view one's point of view of idea of relativity doesn't-- shouldn't extend too much.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: Is there a point that-- is that to make a point, that kind of description, the point that you just said about how being in contact with earth really makes things luminous? Is it to make that point or is that the actual, direct experience--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Direct experience. If it becomes a point of view then on the other hand you can't relate with the earth. You have related with shit, opposed to the beauty and opposed to ugliness. If it's just experience then we could relate with the solidness, opposed to the floating qualities of cosmic beauty or why-- whatever it may be, love and light, so forth. [Laughter; laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558#t=4594.0,4843.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558/transcript/85022/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 30]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Is to be free of ego, to be free of morality?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Not at all.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: But isn't morality a coloring of things?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, but at the same time morality means simplicity from the deeper meaning. That free of ego means free of dogma rather than discipline of morality. That you have to develop some sanity, having freed yourself from the ego. That you don't murder your friends, that you eat well, that you drink well.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Then what's-- then there's some kind of ultimate morality then--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I wouldn't say--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: --that isn't colored.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: We could say that it's-- that's the whole idea of skillful means is ultimate morality in some sense -- without dogma. Without dogma is ultimate morality, ultimate religion, from that sense. Because you don't dwell on any solid situations anymore at all.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: So that's the paradox. You're not dwelling on anything but still you have--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You have a ground to walk on.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I mean that's provides the solidness and the principle of fearlessness, that you are invincible because you have ground. At the same time you have no dogma therefore you are not the target anymore, either. You could have ground with a target being yourself-- what you call, vulnerable. That if you have no dwelling ground, but you have ground to work with, then you don't provide yourself as a target, vulnerable target. You're become invincible, you have \"fort\", \"dzong.\"\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: How do you know what-- how do you know where the line stops from when you're coloring--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well by practical demonstration, which is called the path. Quite possibly you get hurt, but at same time that process of pain is process of learning at the same time. And nobody's going to save you from that experimental process, except you have to experience yourself. It's very uncompassionate thing. 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There's no attack involved at all at the beginning.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: I mean suppose you have ground to walk on and somebody-- and you go in a room and somebody says to you, \"Would you mind getting out of here?\" Would-- I mean wouldn't that be an attack?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well they wouldn't say that, \"if you mind-- would you [mind] getting out,\" because you're not occupying any ground right at the beginning. They wouldn't have to ask question, at all, at the beginning. Because somebody says that, that means that they feel claustrophobic about your occupying on somebody else's place. Place that somebody else says they want expand themselves, which means you are cluttering their space. And you wouldn't do something in the beginning either, at all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558#t=5015.0,5102.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558/transcript/85022/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 32]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: Is-- could a bodhisattva be a tantric yogi at the same time?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Very much so. But bodhisattva could be tantric yogi as process, but you can't start with being tantric yogi then becoming a bodhisattva.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: When you're a tantric yogi are you a bodhisattva any longer?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Already, yeah. You are advanced bodhisattva, or you're a crazy bodhisattva. [Laughter] Aged bodhisattva is a tantric yogi.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558#t=5102.0,5158.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558/transcript/85022/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 33]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: [INAUDIBLE] the relationship between a male and female, roles in tantric yoga or whatever?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What you getting at? [Laughter; laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: Well I-- it-- isn't there a yoga which incorporates the male and female coming together and doing various practices together, you know? [Laughter] How does that relate to what you were talking about?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well we are not excluding anything. [Laughter] We exclude-- we include in the whole activities of life. So that particular theme doesn't have to be highlights particularly at all, or the hidden thing, or by innuendo.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That includes. I mean the tantric approach, yogic practice, is like someone trying to become the space in which plants could grow, birds could fly, human beings could breathe, flowers could blossom, fires could consume itself, winds could blow. So everything could function within itself. That being tantric yogi is to providing space for all kinds of activities. That you're open to any kind of situation but you're not indulged by it, and you are not consumed by it. That you become sustainer or the atmosphere or the oxygen.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558#t=5158.0,5279.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558/transcript/85022/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 34]\r\n\r\n\r\nLILLA KALMAN: There is one thing that seems to disturb me, very much, I don't understand it, and that's karmic consequences. You said that Milarepa had to go through all that stuff, building all those buildings and [UNCLEAR: wearing? burying?] himself for honor as you said, because of the evil things he has done earlier in his life. But what do you do about this karmic consequences? I never have believed in retribution. But what happens if you discover that you have done certain things [INAUDIBLE]?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well it's not a question of retribution but it's a question of memory. That once you murdered somebody you still have that memory of the aggression, continuous, and to free yourself from karmic situation of consequences, is transcend from that memory and develop full awareness of nowness, somewhat. That the memory is also used up as concept as well, all the time, so that the karmic chain reaction begin to-- breaks as continuity. LILLA KALMAN: It has to be used up or else it becomes a hang-up.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well that's the whole idea is that the merit of practicing meditation could burn out a hundred million years karmic seeds, and so forth. Has been described all-- again and again, the merit of meditating for one minute could burn out a million years of karmic deeds, consequence. Which means that that one moment of practice is able to relate with the whole all-pervading situation of eliminating the expectation of future and memories of the past altogether. So the idea of-- whole point is that there's no-- nothing that you are trapped in as consequence, but your psychological state of that memory and aggression, familiarity with the aggression, and familiarity with the passion, becomes part of the whole thing. So unless you're able to get off that particular concept, in other word, that seem to be getting beyond the concept is the seed of eliminating karmic consequence. So meditation becomes a way of eliminating that kind of interaction.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558#t=5279.0,5436.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558/transcript/85022/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 35]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: But it seems like that situation also keeps you from-- keeps you from doing real meditation. Like so much--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Definitely, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: --so much of your energy is tied up in the--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, because your memory is be too much, or your expectation becomes too much so you have no chance to do it. So somewhat people mistakenly refer that as a predestined thing but it isn't predestined, you have psychological hang-up rather than predestined.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: But still I keep coming back all the time to how do I work out these psychological hang-up? Like, my whole point, you know like, I--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well then you're recreating the psychological hang-up by doing that, which means you're creating more karma.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: I listen to all the teachings and they say-- it kind of-- it still comes out, you know like, how do I work out basic problem?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I mean the whole point of from that sense is to give up hope of developing or getting out of it. Then you might come to some common sense. [Laughter] Uncommon sense, whatever.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558#t=5436.0,5498.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558/transcript/85022/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 36]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: What do you think of psychotherapy?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: In what context?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: In helping us-- helping solve problems.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well you create problems from psychotherapy, therapistic [sic] situations, by putting into geography.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: Geography?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, of psychological portrait. That you have difficulties dealing with females because you had trouble with your mother when you were first born. [Laughter] Or you have difficulty with males, because you had trouble with your father when you were first born, they treat you-- they treat-- ill-treat you, and that kind of logic, Freudian-type, one might say. Whereas somewhat that shared with-- by all psychological schools of analyzing the whole process, makes you that you are trapped in present. That past is too important for you. That you begin to feel that the present is made out of the past, so does the future, so your life is completely black, as though you been put into a pipe. That the only way to run is forward, you can't run backward or sideways. You are completely imprisoned. And that kind of approach seem to be very primitive. It's a kind of Western way of working with the mind in an absolutely scientific, primitive scientific approach, seem to be, from that sense. And which is very ungenerous approach, if I may say so from that approach.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: Well I think sometimes with a [UNCLEAR: teacher? teaching?] can like give out a lot of [INAUDIBLE] is, you know, like, built up for a long time, you know.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I mean you have nude therapy, you have aggression therapy, all kinds of things happens, and analogies of all kinds of therapist's trap-- trip of all kinds. But then it's like smoking opium -- once you do that you want to do it again because you feel you're building up, you're so much fascinated, so it becomes a constant thing all the time.\r\n\r\n\r\n[AUDIO CUTS OUT]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558#t=5498.0,5637.37888"}]},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558/transcript/85023","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["19720504VCTR1-Captions [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558/transcript/85023/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ARP SLATE: This is the Venerable\nChogyam Trungpa Rinpoche,\nUniversity of Colorado","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558#t=0.73,5.36"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558/transcript/85023/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Classes held 1972,\nin Boulder, Colorado.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558#t=5.36,9.95"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558/transcript/85023/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This is class number twelve,\nTantra, May 4th, 1972.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558#t=9.95,15.65"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558/transcript/85023/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"CTI SLATE: This is a CTI custom\nremaster made September 2024.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558#t=15.65,21.02"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558/transcript/85023/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [Whispering]\nMight have to wait\nfor a few 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tantra.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558#t=53.57,64.89"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558/transcript/85023/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"As our studies have developed\nas empirical process,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558#t=66.96,77.8"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558/transcript/85023/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that summit\nof this particular 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to.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558#t=89.38,97.42"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558/transcript/85023/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But before we get excited\nabout talking about tantra,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558#t=99.45,108.4"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558/transcript/85023/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"we have to go through\nthe implication of 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pain,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558#t=1846.22,1849.36"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558/transcript/85023/annotation/376","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"which means that exactly\nthe same thing except\nyou're searching for pleasure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558#t=1849.36,1858.96"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558/transcript/85023/annotation/377","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER6: 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enlightenment,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558#t=1866.31,1872.18"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558/transcript/85023/annotation/380","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"then it is exactly\nthe same thing\nsearching for pleasure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558#t=1872.18,1875.47"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161709/file/293558/transcript/85023/annotation/381","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Because pain\nfrom that point of view\nmeans you have a 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