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Defines \"bardo\" as continuity of \"psychosomatic\" habits in one's life. How we usually avoid pain, strive for pleasure. Six realms in bardo manifest in life as well: realms of gods, jealous gods, humans, animals, hungry ghosts, hell. Described in recognizable psychological language: how we maintain our confusion through solidifying ego. Bardo experience as stepping-stone, \"powerful way of solving problems of extremes.\" Teachings on bardo as having been passed down through generations by lineage holders; point is to relate teachings to one's own life. In Q\u0026amp;A, how to experience pain and pleasure properly; importance of relating with things as they are, without distraction; meditation as opening mind to the world beyond oneself."]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication"]},"value":{"en":["BOOK: Transcending Madness","BOOK: Collected Works Vol 06"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication Details"]},"value":{"en":["BOOK: TRANSCENDING MADNESS: Part 2, Chapter 1: Pain and Pleasure\u003cbr\u003e\n-- from \u003ca href=\"https://www.shambhala.com/transcending-madness-1570.html\"\u003eShambhala Publications\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\nBOOK: COLLECTED WORKS VOL 6 (in contained book TRANSCENDING MADNESS)\u003cbr\u003e\n-- from \u003ca href=\"https://www.shambhala.com/the-collected-works-of-chogyam-trungpa-380.html\"\u003eShambhala Publications\u003c/a\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Transcription Credits"]},"value":{"en":["Jul 24 2023 to Oct 20 2023 Transcribing: Julia McKaig Checking: Blaire Martin Final Proof: Anne Seidlitz Other Contributors: Lynn Friedman, Warner Dick"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["© Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced"]}},{"label":{"en":["Year"]},"value":{"en":["1971"]}}],"summary":{"en":["Describes seminar as focused on actual meaning of the bardo and Tibetan Book of the Dead, as way of discovering true nature of emotions, body-mind connection. Defines \"bardo\" as continuity of \"psychosomatic\" habits in one's life. How we usually avoid pain, strive for pleasure. Six realms in bardo manifest in life as well: realms of gods, jealous gods, humans, animals, hungry ghosts, hell. Described in recognizable psychological language: how we maintain our confusion through solidifying ego. Bardo experience as stepping-stone, \"powerful way of solving problems of extremes.\" Teachings on bardo as having been passed down through generations by lineage holders; point is to relate teachings to one's own life. In Q\u0026amp;A, how to experience pain and pleasure properly; importance of relating with things as they are, without distraction; meditation as opening mind to the world beyond oneself."]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["© Diana J. 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Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]\r\n\r\n\r\nCTI SLATE: This is the Venerable Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, public seminar entitled The Six Realms [ed: States] of Being, given in Barnet, Vermont. This is talk one, Introduction, given on December 26th, 1971. This is an CTI custom remaster made July, 2023.\r\n\r\n\r\nORIGINAL SLATE: Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, Seminar on The Six States of Being, Barnet Town Hall, December the 26th, 1971, introductory lecture at 9 p.m.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138135/file/256023#t=0.0,44.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138135/file/256023/transcript/72374/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: MAIN TALK]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It seems we have about seven sessions to work on this particular topic. And we might relate with the first one in terms of general ideas of bardo experience, which might give some basic backgrounds to it. That when we are talk about bardo experience, that generally the concept of bardo is misunderstood, in terms of purely being the gap between death and next birth. But in this case, idea of bardo is being presented as by the idea of Padmasambhava, and the whole concept is based on the continuity of the bardo experience. And some scholars, or some people claim that the idea of a bardo is -- or the Tibetan Book of the Dead on the whole -- is purely related with details of hang-ups or hallucinations that connected with colorful world, how to relate to it. It seems that what we are working on this case is not necessarily connected with the purely colorful world as such, or the hang-up as such, but the continuity of the psychosomatic situation that happens along with the body situations, which presents the psychosomatic problems automatically. As long as there is a physical body involved with life, that automatically brings pain or pleasure. That pain and pleasure are-- could be interpreted as illness or sickness or problems or neuroses of all kinds, which has psychosomatic case history in them, constantly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138135/file/256023#t=44.0,245.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138135/file/256023/transcript/72374/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So word bardo means, \"bar\" means \"between,\" \"in between,\" or the medium situation which exists to the extreme to the other extreme. \"Bar\" means \"between.\" \"Do\" could be explained as terms of being \"island,\" a remote island which exists out of nowhere, but yet is surrounded by ocean. Or island between desert, whatever it may be; that kind of in between situation. So that which is outstanding like island, in terms of life situations of in between experiences as such. You could have experiences of extreme pleasure, and extreme pain. And when the pleasure is an extreme situation, automatically experience of pleasure becomes *irritatingly* pleasureful. That irritating and heavy-handed quality of the pleasure, just about to bring pain, invite pain.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138135/file/256023#t=245.0,337.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138135/file/256023/transcript/72374/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So bardo is that kind of uncertainty between the two situations, whether hot and coldness is uncertain because either it is too hot or too cold. It is too hot therefore it could be said as too cold, or it-- if it's too cold therefore it is regarded as too hot. So uncertainty of those situations, of a psychophysical buildup, brings uncertainty or *extreme* case, at that point one begin to lose criteria of any kind.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138135/file/256023#t=337.0,375.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138135/file/256023/transcript/72374/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So in this case the concept of bardo that we are discussing is six types of bardo situations. And it seems to he quite worthwhile to relate with the different realms of existence: the realm of gods, realm of asura, and realm of human beings, realm of animals, and realm of preta, and the realm of hell. Those prescribed situations of realms seem to be extremely interesting way of looking it: that these realms have some quality of extreme pleasure, extreme pain; in between the two there is also case of some kind of extreme, but those extremes are entirely different textures, like extreme hunger, and extreme rigidness, stupidity of animal realm. Or extreme indulgence in terms of human realm, and extreme relativity concept which is the jealous gods level. And all kinds of realms takes place in those bardo states. That what we are going discuss is largely the psychological state, where there's pain as well as there's pleasure. Pain in terms of physical pain, psychological pain, or spiritual pain. And pleasure in terms of spiritual pleasure, and psychological pleasure, *and* physical pleasure. All these realms be covered by this continual process of striving, and continual process of trying to reach some kind of ultimate answer to achieve permanent pleasure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138135/file/256023#t=375.0,522.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138135/file/256023/transcript/72374/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Which seems to be that this concept of bardo is extremely powerful and important to us, as this particular human society is concerned. That we have continual problems related with, what is sane and what is insane? What is the purpose of life? That seems to be popular questions often asked to spiritual teachers, whether there are interviews on radio or television, or personal interviewed, and always what is purpose of life? What *is* the purpose of life? Or what *isn't* the purpose of life, for that matter.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138135/file/256023#t=522.0,569.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138135/file/256023/transcript/72374/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"These questions are concerned with not fixed answer as such, at all. But these questions could be answered in the psychophysical situation. What is not body? What is body? What is not mind? What isn't mind? What is emotion? What isn't emotion? How does emotion function? What is the texture of emotion that you can switch by being loving, as well as by being aggressive? What makes these changes? How does whole creation takes place? And this creation does not take place with the revelation of God. Or this creation does not take place with purely trying to change your living situation. I mean if you're irritated by yourself, in a certain particular situation, of living with your parents, by moving out of your parents' domain and renting your own apartment somewhere else doesn't solve the problem at all. Because we carry ourselves with us all the time like tortoise carries his shell. So question is-- hasn't been answered, the problem hasn't been solved. There's something more fundamental than that: the pain and pleasure are not all that gullible as we would like to think. They have a very subtle deep-rooted situations, in the life situation constantly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138135/file/256023#t=569.0,682.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138135/file/256023/transcript/72374/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So the bardo experience tells you the details of the texture, or the color, or the temperature of god-like mentality, or hell-like mentality, whatever it's may be. Tells you the great details of basic situations: things as they are, in terms of its panoramic vision. And it seems lot of people have experienced those situations in the past, and they have achieved perfection of it, of understanding of those situations. So much so that messages be handed down by generation to generation, and people have experience it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138135/file/256023#t=682.0,742.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138135/file/256023/transcript/72374/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So seems that what we are involved with this particular seminar is the tremendous opportunity to discuss the texture, and almost you could say, the case history of emotions, and a different way of re-living and living situations of human existence. The inhuman quality of the human existence, as well as the human quality of the human existence, as such. So bardo experience is extremely powerful way of solving the problem of extremes. At the same time not presenting for or against, but trying to present the extremes are necessary to maintain as it is. By maintaining the extremes, simultaneously that there is some kind of way of providing on the way to the clear light, as is explained in the bardo experiences.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138135/file/256023#t=742.0,833.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138135/file/256023/transcript/72374/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Such experiences like chonyi bardo, which is based on absorption into the basic space, creating enormous, overpowering expansion. How does that relate with such as like sidpa bardo, which is related with bardo of existence, continual creating situations? So whole death process seem to be very much related with our own psychological portrait, that somebody in this audience, or everybody in this audience, shall we say, has the animal qualities, as well as the hungry ghost qualities. As well as realm of gods qualities. As well as human being qualities. We all-- we are all part of this gigantic network, of amalgamation of all colors, all textures, all temperatures, all emotions; we are part of the whole thing. That's why we exist as what we are, we function as what we are; otherwise we can't function in terms of samsaric situations.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138135/file/256023#t=833.0,930.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138135/file/256023/transcript/72374/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We manage to maintain our confusion up to now very skillfully. Why? Such achievement. [laughter] Because we could become hell-beings, because we could become realm of gods, because we could become part of the animal realm, because we could become hungry ghost, we improvise constantly, very skillfully, and draw out these possible alternatives constantly. And the whole situation brings that question of survival of the ego. In order to survive as human being, who is based on passion and aggression, whose ideas are based on passion and aggression; in order to maintain the passion and aggression situations we have to relate with all kinds of other subsidiary situations of maintaining ourselves. Those maintenance have all kinds of way of doing it. We could present cold as frozen level, icy cold situation. Or we could present cold as just chill, we could cold-- we could present cold just about to become hot. And then we switch into hot, just chill off hot. And then we present warm. Then we present body temperature warm, then we present irritatingly hot-warm. One could present all kinds of textures, all kinds of dealings with living situations. That we've been trained some strange, immediately we be born and presented that situation, until we are grown up. And after the point when we become the emperor of the world, we constantly operate in all those situations, improvising \"that\" opposed to \"this\", \"this\" opposed to \"that.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138135/file/256023#t=930.0,1094.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138135/file/256023/transcript/72374/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, the bardo experience is the description of a skillful artist who managed to paint such a balanced picture. Or skillful musician who managed to play such beautiful music. But that music is belong to somebody, that picture is belong to somebody; that seem to be always the problem. That is what's called ego situation. But before we know the-- what is *not* ego situation. We cannot just forget the whole thing, and try and present the beautiful and blissful, heavenly situations, of answering all the problems, or how to show the-- showing the great promises of liberation. Before we know what is liberation, we also have to know what is *not* liberation, what is not enlightenment, or what *is* enlightenment, or what is not.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138135/file/256023#t=1094.0,1168.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138135/file/256023/transcript/72374/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So studying of bardo seem to be creating kind of stepping-stone in that situation; seems to be most important. How to relate our experience with the daily situation, how to relate our experience with our *own* experiences, rather than doctrinal, philosophical, scientific or whatever have you. So it's one of the very practical way of looking at the life situation seem to be.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138135/file/256023#t=1168.0,1208.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138135/file/256023/transcript/72374/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And this particular talk we have today, it seem to be more of appetizer, than presenting the actual main course. But that even appetizer itself has the quality of the environment, what meal is to come next. So, that seem to be also useful. If you just decide to having the appetizer, if you just decide to walk out of restaurant, before you have the main course, that's possible. And we could do so -- or you could do so.\r\n\r\n\r\nWe can have discussions.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138135/file/256023#t=1208.0,1268.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138135/file/256023/transcript/72374/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 1]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: What did you mean by spiritual pleasure and pain?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, spiritual pain is also extremely powerful pain. Because it transcends ordinary answers of daily living situation. And spiritual pleasure is also at same time, delightful, because it is regarded as transcendental pleasure. Which transcends any human concerns, supposedly. That seem to be the whole idea is based on inhuman attitude to the spirituality, rather than human aspect of the spirituality.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: Is it still concerned with ego? Spiritual [INAUDIBLE]--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: If it's concerned with pain or pleasure at all, it is always concerned with ego, I'm afraid. [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: So, it's more in the realm of what you are wont to call spiritual materialism, Rinpoche?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Precisely, yeah. As long as we talk in terms of greater achievement, or greater liberation, in terms of \"me\" achieving great liberation, in terms of \"me\" experiencing greater pleasure, then the whole thing's related with relative situation, which doesn't liberate altogether at all. And therefore, if anything concerns with \"that\" and \"this,\" relative situations is regarded as spiritual materialism. Because it has something hang onto, you automatically try and to destroy the handle, at the same time provide another handle, of absence of that handle.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138135/file/256023#t=1268.0,1401.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138135/file/256023/transcript/72374/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 2]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: I don't understand the relation between bardo, and the concept of inbetween-ness, and that of the realms. I mean, also, I mean, when you say \"chonyi bardo\" and you named the other one, you're not referring to any of the realms, are you?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Not necessarily, because you could say that all the aspect of bardo has the same quality.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: You mean, all the realms are aspects of bardo?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I mean they are *all* bardos, in between, because you are trapped up in something. The whole idea of bondage, or the entrapment, is that you are not there or not here. You've been captivated in somewhere, therefore it is bardo.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: I had the opposite of-- I had always the impression that bardo referred to a gap.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, a gap. When you have-- when you be born as realm of gods, when you're born as animal realm, that you manage be born in that realm by misunderstanding of the gap.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: So is the bardo the [INAUDIBLE] time in between, living in the realm of hell and the realm of animals?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No, not necessarily. Bardo *is* the realms; they are as they are. You want to achieve absolute pleasure. And at the same time, because you demanded that absolute pleasure, you experience-- because you experience the pain. The pain gets worse and worse, and the pleasure becomes more demanding. So finally one is not quite certain whether you're experiencing pain *or* the pleasure. Then you're born in the realm of gods. Because you're completely bewildered, into the pleasurehood -- whatever it's called, godhood.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138135/file/256023#t=1401.0,1546.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138135/file/256023/transcript/72374/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 3]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: Isn't this bardo connected with everything else?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It depends on everyone.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: Well, I seem to [INAUDIBLE WORDS]--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I mean, if you are trip of any kind, in other word.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: Well, if you we have-- you say between death and birth, but how about, is the bardo experience between birth and death also?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That is called sidpa bardo, yeah. Which is in between.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: Well, we're always in between [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You're just-- you've been born, and you're just about to die. Or you're just about to born, you're just-- you have been relating with the birth -- or the death for that matter.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138135/file/256023#t=1546.0,1583.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138135/file/256023/transcript/72374/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 4]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: So, there is a principle that creates the whole bardo experience and also experiences what it creates.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Which is-- which comes from living situation, of life.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: So-- and is this-- this is continuous, right? From birth to death, and throughout the cycle of life.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think so, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: So it’s sort of like ego is being handed down?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: Sort of like a subconscious which-- that subconscious is handed down, and creates different egos [INAUDIBLE] situation?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, it is always a hidden wish, or hidden fear, which is th source of involving ourselves in the continual bardo experiences.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138135/file/256023#t=1583.0,1640.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138135/file/256023/transcript/72374/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 5]\r\n\r\n\r\nROBIN KORNMAN: Could you explain again what bardo is a gap between? What is not the gap?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What is not gap?\r\n\r\n\r\nROBIN KORNMAN: Yeah, it's a gap between what and what?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: A gap between the two extremes.\r\n\r\n\r\nROBIN KORNMAN: The bardo-- then the bardo experience is not an experience of the extremes?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well there's got-- I mean you could say in a sense there is a continual experience which also present meeting of the two extremes, all the time, constantly. And like -- we're going get at these details later, of the different realms: realms of god, realm of animal, realm of hell. That we constantly go through these realms *all* the time. You have some kind of another trip is going on all the time. These trips brought out-- brought by-- brought about by extreme meeting point of hope and fear of some kind. So that we are constantly trapped in that kind of product of our work, product of our wish and desire.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138135/file/256023#t=1640.0,1733.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138135/file/256023/transcript/72374/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 6]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: Rinpoche, could you say the confusion between [INAUDIBLE] that you're talking about, is that different from Milarepa's discussion of the non-distinction of pain and pleasure? In the sense that in the confusion it's the kind of simultaneous [INAUDIBLE] of the two experiences, and the other is [INAUDIBLE WORDS]?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: The confusion?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: Yes, the confusion. You were talking about confusion as being, like-- you don't know whether you're experiencing pain or pleasure.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I'm not quite sure what you mean.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: It seems you were talking about the, sort of, confusion between pain and pleasure.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: [INAUDIBLE]--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, why Milarepa's--?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: Well, in which he talked about not distinguishing between pain and pleasure.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Not distinguishing between pain and pleasure.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: Right. At this point [INAUDIBLE WORDS].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, that seems to be an intelligent effort towards it. But in this case it is completely mechanical. One is uncertain whether one is experiencing pain *or* the pleasure. And one's been swept away into that situation automatically. Because you are uncertain about the pain or the pleasure, therefore you be pushed and thrust into a new situation automatically. Otherwise if you are on the side of pain *or* the side of pleasure, as pain as it is or pleasure as it is, you can't get into a bardo state at all, because you are meditative state at that moment. You're regarding pain as pain, pleasure as pain.\r\n\r\n\r\nWhereas the way we get ourselves caught into the extreme bardo state, is we are not quite certain whether we actually experiencing pain as pain, or whether we are experiencing pain as occupation, which *means* pleasure in some sense. So we are caught up in it. That's why we able to manage ourselves to hang on here, samsaric world. [Laughs] It's a very beautiful tactic. [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138135/file/256023#t=1733.0,1882.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138135/file/256023/transcript/72374/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 7]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: I'm not sure what attitude--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What what?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: --what attitude one should have towards the pleasure.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, it doesn't matter about the attitude, in this case at all; it is what it is, you know. Pleasure is pleasure and pain is pain. Doesn't matter about the attitude. So attitude doesn't play in this case, particularly. I mean obviously you will have intelligence or something, to relate with your experiences. That could be said as-- that could be hardly said as an attitude, in fact. Just some instinct of some kind.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138135/file/256023#t=1882.0,1945.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138135/file/256023/transcript/72374/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 8]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: Rinpoche, how does the idea of the meditative state as the complete experience of pain as pain and pleasure as pleasure relate to the statement that I've heard that pain and pleasure are the same thing?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: If you experience pain as pain in the fullest sense, then it is what it is, as much as pleasure could be. [Laughter; laughs] That's intelligent one, that's not confused one, because you are not quite certain what is pain and what is pleasure, but you're seeing things precisely, directly as it is. Or pain and pleasure one in the realm of intelligence, realm of prajna, realm of knowledge.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138135/file/256023#t=1945.0,2021.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138135/file/256023/transcript/72374/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 9]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: Does the opposite hold true when we experience pleasure fully? Does that create the pain?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I mean, it's saying the same thing. It's true pleasure and true experience. As much as true pain, for that matter. But that's not at all involved into a dream world, but you're experiencing things really as they are.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138135/file/256023#t=2021.0,2050.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138135/file/256023/transcript/72374/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 10]\r\n\r\n\r\nJEREMY HAYWARD: But what's the difference in relation to-- I mean, if someone who didn't have a neurotic state of mind say, would still be experiencing these different realms would he?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: In terms of display.\r\n\r\n\r\nJEREMY HAYWARD: In terms of display.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. They would. [laughter] I mean you can't have-- you can't exist without a world of some kind to exist. But that doesn't mean to say that you are confused between the two worlds.\r\n\r\n\r\nJEREMY HAYWARD: Between which two worlds?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Pain situation of the hungry ghost, or the pleasurable situation of the hungry ghost. You are not confused by the-- you just see a hungry ghost as what your world is, precisely and clearly.\r\n\r\n\r\nJEREMY HAYWARD: And how do you see yourself in that, in the display? Do you separate yourself at all?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You don't separate yourself from it. You become-- you begin to see you are part of that world entirely, fully, thoroughly. That's why you begin to see it. Because if you see yourself separately from, then you fail to see it; you're so much self-concern of yourself, self-conscious of yourself.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138135/file/256023#t=2050.0,2148.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138135/file/256023/transcript/72374/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 11]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: It seems that the description of the neurotic state implies oscillation, whereas the description of the pain-as-pain or pleasure-as-pleasure stage is just a fixed point. We also perceive through oscillation. Does that have any relation, perhaps? In that by oscillation things appear, occur. And when we perceive without oscillation, it seems that that way of perceiving, that way of being with the things around is what's important?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, you see, relating with the world is the key point. So relating with the world is-- could be said as being an idea of complete involvement with pain as pain, pleasure as pleasure. Whereas whenever there is a distance between relating with the world, whenever there is a failure, or absentmindedness comes in, then there's automatically confusion begin to crops up, because you've failed to relate with things as they are, which brings bewilderment and confusion. And you begin lose your track of it, which brings the bardo experience. Then that goes to the extreme, and it becomes absolute extreme and raise crescendo of confusion, of big pain and big pleasure and you go up, and up, up. Because you lost track of it. It's like you lost your anchor and then you're floating in the ocean endlessly, constantly. Because you lost your *real* contact, real way of relating with things as they are.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: If you can hold the point where you see things as they are, what then causes the shift from one world to the next?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: If you see things as they are--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: When you go from say, the realm of the hungry ghost and the realm of the human being, what causes that jump?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It's purely dealing with the situations, then the situation brings you to contribute that situation.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: And there's a discrete snap, that you have to deal with [INAUDIBLE]?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No, I wouldn't say, but-- I mean, you can't live in one world constantly. If there is aggressive situation involved with your living situations, or there is a pleasurable situation involved with your living world, that it seem to be situation demands the change, not *you* make the change. It's like traveling from one place to another. That place invite you to adopt your situation there, rather than you are trying to adopt a situation by forcefully.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: If you remain in the meditative state do you eliminate the bardo experience?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Constantly. But at the same time you have to be relating with the living situation of bardo potentials, from the other peoples' point of view. You can't reject that altogether. In other words, the-- if you are in meditative state constantly, *you* don't get into a bardo state as such, but you share *their* bardo experiences, or the environmental situations, of other people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138135/file/256023#t=2148.0,2386.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138135/file/256023/transcript/72374/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 12]\r\n\r\n\r\nJEREMY HAYWARD: What state are you in, then?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Any states.\r\n\r\n\r\nJEREMY HAYWARD: I mean, if you're not-- if you don't get into the bardo state as such, you said, you share their bardo state, what state are you in?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You are in their state. [Laughter] You share in America you're in America. [Laughter; laughs] You share American experience with Americans. [Pause]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138135/file/256023#t=2386.0,2424.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138135/file/256023/transcript/72374/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 13]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: Rinpoche, I'm not sure how-- you say when you begin searching for pleasure, the pleasure and pain build up simultaneously until you're-- you have this confusion. But in what way does this happen? I’m not clear about that. Could you explain that?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: The confusion?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: That the-- this-- for example, when you enter another state, and don't see things as they are, you begin to confuse pleasure with pain. How does this process come about? Let's say for example you entered the state of hungry ghost, how do you become enmeshed in the confusion to the point where you move to another state?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: From the hungry ghost do you mean? Or *to* the hungry ghost?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: You described what happens as a building up of-- as you try to attain more and more pleasure, you build up pain simultaneously. I'm not sure I understood how that happens.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, that's happens partly the situation demands that process. And also partly the state of mind brings that situation.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: Why do you seek more and more pleasure? Is that innate? Do you just naturally seek more and more pleasure? And, you know the way--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You don't necessarily search for pleasure. I mean if your whole world is say based on pain, you just trying to swim through that pain. Each stroke of your hand just could be said as towards pleasure, but you are not getting pleasure as such, but you are just roaming about in that particular painful realm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: Oh, so that you're seeking-- the problem is that you're seeking to be something that you're not, rather than accepting at that moment exactly what you [INAUDIBLE]?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, I mean supposing if you are starved from the mentality of hungry ghost, or hungry. You just swim in this hunger, tremendous hunger. With quite possibly of satisfying your hunger, but that doesn't seem to be the aim or object at all. It's just maintaining your own hunger as it is; you just try to roam about constantly and as much as possible. And you may swim faster and faster, or you may try to give up swimming and float about. Whatever is may be; that you are in it already. Because you managed to raise the whole kind excitement into the surface, because you regard the whole situation of being in the such hunger and such thirst, is your occupation.\r\n\r\n\r\nAt that point, you begin to develop the limitless quality of this ocean of hunger, constantly, everywhere. That if you begin to see there is mountains or land, beyond your ocean, probably you don't like it. Although you want to be saved, but at the same time there's some irritations about that. Because then you have to adapt yourself new situation, get out of the ocean and climb up the land, deal with natives or whatever it may be. You don't like that at all; you'd rather float, but you don't want really drown in it, at the same time. You'd rather just exist in it, float about.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: Why does one seek to maintain one's state of being?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Because that's the comfortable situation, at the time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138135/file/256023#t=2424.0,2685.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138135/file/256023/transcript/72374/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 14]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: Do you mean that even if someone's in a state of pain, they're really having a good time but they don't know it?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, that the pain and pleasure simultaneously happening at that moment. Or the security of pain becomes pleasure.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: Oh wow, thanks. [Laughter] Rinpoche, then what is motivation for in-depth compassion, because everybody's having a good time?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: In the what?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: Why disturb them? What's the motivation for having compassion, if everybody's having a good time, why disturb them?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Why disturb them? Because fundamentally it is not a healthy place to be.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: But--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I mean, you don't-- you are not belong to the water, you belong to the land. And somebody-- I mean, that's our problem: if you want to help them, that also going to cause them pain, tremendous pain. That's precisely what it is. But you don't want to be too kind, to save that pain. You have to take that granted, like having operation, you know. In order remove the sickness, you have to cut them, you have to take the things out, illness out -- the growth, or whatever it is.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: But as far as their own pleasure and pain situation is concerned, it's already happy, so get more [INAUDIBLE WORDS].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, they're not really happy as such, but they accepted the involvement is occupation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138135/file/256023#t=2685.0,2778.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138135/file/256023/transcript/72374/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 15]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: Rinpoche, now, if you're not creating a bardo trip, and you're with someone else who can share it, let's say the other person's not creating any other bardo trip, then you share. If you're not projecting any bardo trip, and you're with someone else who is likewise not projecting any particular bardo trip [laughter], what do you have? Is there any state that exists?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I suppose you could say clear light. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: Then it would be a pure meeting of the minds?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Precisely, yeah. That's where the transmission-- what you call transmission, takes place.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER16: [Laughing] \"What you call...\" [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138135/file/256023#t=2778.0,2829.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138135/file/256023/transcript/72374/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 16]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER17: Rinpoche, you were just describing this real occupation-- you were describing seeing the occupation, and instead you've just been floating around instead of [INAUDIBLE]. Well then, the meditation enters in. What changes-- I mean what changes in that floating around in this-- in the middle of this texture of different [INAUDIBLE] ?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What meditation changes do you mean?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER17: Yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I mean, it could be at the beginning the meditation is regarded as intrusion. It is extremely painful thing to do, because it takes away from your habitual dwelling situations. And because of that all kinds of painful situation churns out. Because for the first time you create another relative situation, other than your dwelling situations. And then gradually you get new perspective ideas from the meditation experiences. Which shows you another living situations other than yours. It's sort of way of broadening your mind. It seems to be introduce another land that does exist beyond your own realm. That's why that we find meditating and sitting is very painful. [Laughs] Any kind of practice is quite painful, irritating.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138135/file/256023#t=2829.0,2929.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138135/file/256023/transcript/72374/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 17]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER18: Well, what if this-- there's some Tibetan book that I was reading-- I read this one book that said, \"meditate until you hate it.\" [INAUDIBLE WORDS]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, you don't have to wait. [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER18: It doesn't seem like one could get far into meditation, because I don't have to meditate that long not to like it. [INAUDIBLE WORDS]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, meditation is... if one is begin to enjoy doing it, then there must be some kind of entertainments going on, which is quite fishy. [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138135/file/256023#t=2929.0,2993.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138135/file/256023/transcript/72374/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 18]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER19: It seems to me that if you become really aware of pleasure as pleasure, and pain as pain, that that doesn't necessarily get you out of the search for pleasure. Because if you're really experiencing both the pleasure and the pain, doesn't that continually involve you in the search for pleasure, because it's still preferable to pain?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I don't think so, because unless you have pleasure as an external entity which entertains you, you could perpetually could swim in it, because it is a foreign element, yet it is intimate situation. Whereas if you begin to see pain as the pain, pleasure as pleasure as it is, then the whole game of intimacy, and the whole relative situations of love affairs begin to wear out. I mean finally you begin to realize it is your own creation. So one begin to see the transparent quality with the pain or the pleasure automatically.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138135/file/256023#t=2993.0,3058.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138135/file/256023/transcript/72374/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 19]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER20: When you begin to see pain and pleasure for what they are, what determines when you panic?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: When you begin to lose the entertainment crew, who entertains you. And you begin to realize the last crew is just walking out of your sight, and you end up by-- just by yourself. [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138135/file/256023#t=3058.0,3087.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138135/file/256023/transcript/72374/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 20]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER21: But why does it-- I don't know why this is that Buddhists seem to emphasize exposing their students' pain, be it psychological or physical.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Buddhists what?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER21: Seem to put a great value on pain. Or, you know the Naropa [INAUDIBLE] who put the series through Milarepa, not knowing who invented it. If these things are [INAUDIBLE] why don't they dose it with an equal amount of pleasure also? You said meditation, good meditation was painful -- well, how come? I mean what's wrong with being in good meditation when you're really investigating the nature of the self, and being selfless. I mean why is the value-- there seems to be a value shift to-- a great value on negativity; it seems to be true, so why not see great value in pleasure?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I don't think it's particular value’s based on the pain at such at all. But the basic idea is based on letting things grow, as they are. Just open space of entire new dimension, in your meditative state. So let whatever is there come through. If there's a pleasurable situation let it come through. Like in the description of Milarepa's meditating in the cave, that he had a tremendous pleasurable experience of joy of inner heat coming through. For several days he found that particular experiences extremely pleasurable. But that wore through, that gone sour, that sort of worn out. Next one is a continually irritating situation come through as well.\r\n\r\n\r\nSo it's a question of opening your whole being and let whatever's comes through and come through. But in particular situation of talking about pleasure and pain in terms of meditation, it seem to be based on the current simple-minded attitude towards meditation, which is supposed to give you bliss, or pleasure. From that point of view, meditation is not particularly geared to give you pleasure alone at all. It is possible it might give you pleasure, but on the other hand it is also highly possible it might be extremely painful thing to do. So it's just letting things to be.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER21: What determines whether is pleasurable or pain?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Suppose you form your criteria. 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But because of that, therefore there's more terrifying nightmares that you might lose that ultimate hope, as well at the same time. Which is equally powerful. It's *the* only cord that you can hang onto, to save your life. Suppose this cord is fragile, it breaks away, you know, then you're in doubtful. As long as there's any kind of maintenance of anything, that seem to be the always hangup, always a problem. Until like the bodhisattva ideas of giving up attaining enlightenment, which is biggest step. Then your lifestyle becomes enlightenment. And you don't need any kind of reassurance anymore at all. You just maintain what you are, constantly.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER21: Maintain what you are...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Behaving normally. Of course this normality is quite special. 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Only thing bothers you is striving, which is a hangup. And that's the two-- that's the one of that irritating only-- that's the obstacle on the path. The striving is the obstacle on the path; nothing else.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138135/file/256023#t=3433.0,3583.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138135/file/256023/transcript/72374/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 24]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER21: Is there any way to use that striving [INAUDIBLE]?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: At that point doesn't seem to be. I mean you could say that you could use striving as energy, virya, or patience, all kinds of ways; of course you could say that. But at that point it seem to be-- this seem to be too dangerous to even suggest that notion of striving transmuting into energy or patience as such at all. You have to really give up; you have to really cut the whole cord of ego out completely.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER23: Rinpoche, isn't there something about that the striving that can really like you're accomplishing something, and doing something really [INAUDIBLE WORDS]. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER24: Rinpoche, the Rinzai Zen people appear to be utilizing striving. Are you saying that in fact they're not?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, it depends on the-- who the Rinzai Zen people are. [Laughter] I mean you can't make a doctrinal sweep statement of the whole thing. They are done by *people*, with individual characters. 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You make all kinds of effort to get at that place, to see your friends. It just happens, because you're delight in the situation. It just happens. It has nothing to do with punishing yourself, pushing yourself as such at all. Because you have such conviction into the idea of awakened state of mind, and seeing that. Or working with your people, helping them, compassionately. You just, like, enjoy that occupation. You just do it. That is most powerful will of all. Rather than purely trying to make, and trying to fight with yourself all the time.\r\n\r\n\r\nI mean us being here together is also could be said as same example. That people didn't try and to go out to restaurant and eat or have a bath or relax in their bedrooms, but they decide to sit here on the floor, and wait and listen. Nobody imposed that will on anybody, but they just do it, because they *like* doing it. There may be all kinds of obstacles coming up to Vermont for that matter, a lot of people. But they just decide to do it, and they enjoy doing it; therefore they're here. Which could be said as an example.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER24: Isn't there something fishy about *that*, in regards to enjoying meditation?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No, it's no question of enjoying the actual practice, which could be extremely horrible. [Laughter] But the step towards it are necessary. I mean you have to do it, anyway. You know that you're not going to enjoy but you still do it. And you like the idea of it. There's something in it which is very hard to explain, really hard to describe in terms of an intellectual way, but something draws you towards it. Which is a kind of instinct situation, which is seem to be whole basic idea's being worked on is basic instinct. Basic intelligence.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER25: [INAUDIBLE WORDS] [laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138135/file/256023#t=3688.0,3916.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138135/file/256023/transcript/72374/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 26]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER23: Would you mind giving a bit more on this, on the striving, please? It's connected with the watcher, I can see that, you know? The watcher says, \"Have I arrived where I'd like to arrive?\" you know. But, I really can't see anything beyond that point. I mean, obviously the watcher gives way then the striving isn't there, because then the watcher isn't there, you know, there's a void instead of that.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, then you just happen.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER23: But you-- just like that.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Just situation [laughter], it just happens.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER23: Then why doesn't it? [INAUDIBLE WORDS] [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Why what? Why what?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER23: Why doesn't it?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER26: Why does it happen?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Why does it...\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER27: Just happen.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Why just happen? Well, because it's a very attractive situation. You are-- the graveyard of the watcher, is a very attractive place to be. Because for the last time you lost track of yourself. Which is a very, very interesting place to be. And finally you lost your hangups.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER23: So the fascination element matters there?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: There's some kind of fascination, which is not watcher, but some magnetic situation's there. Because the watcher is the ultimate irritation, and you lost that on that particular spot. You just come back to that spot constantly on and on and on. [Laughs] Finally the killer is regarded as a friend.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER23: I can see it now.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [Laughing] I'm glad you did. [Laughter; laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138135/file/256023#t=3916.0,4060.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138135/file/256023/transcript/72374/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: CLOSING REMARKS]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Maybe we should close our session here today, and start with tomorrow, the six realms of the world, wherever we happens to be. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nROBIN KORNMAN: The basketball game is about thirty minutes before. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Thank you.\r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138135/file/256023#t=4060.0,4087.51019"}]},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138135/file/256023/transcript/72373","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["19711226VCTR1-Captions [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138135/file/256023/transcript/72373/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"CTI SLATE: This is the\nVenerable Chogyam\nTrungpa 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How does\nthis differ from striving?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138135/file/256023#t=3720.92,3724.98"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138135/file/256023/transcript/72373/annotation/766","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I mean,\nthat's sort of inborn,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138135/file/256023#t=3724.98,3728.63"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138135/file/256023/transcript/72373/annotation/767","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"delightful situation,\nor 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