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Initial experience of clear light as emptiness, completely open, neutral ground; perception of that ground is dharmakaya. Dissolving into that space contains truth, which becomes either enlightenment or distorted energy of samsara. Arising of the five tathagatas, in peaceful and wrathful forms, are elemental energies within clear light; symbols of psychological states. Discussion of traditional \"bardo retreat\". In Q\u0026amp;A, more on bardo retreat; clear light at death and how it progresses; how bardo presents opportunity for \"stepping into awake state of mind.\"\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication"]},"value":{"en":["BOOK: Tibetan Book of the Dead","BOOK: Collected Works Vol 06"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication Details"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eBOOK: TIBETAN BOOK OF THE DEAD: Commentary: The Bardo of Dharmata (edited excerpts)\u003cbr\u003e-- from \u003ca href=\"https://www.shambhala.com/the-tibetan-book-of-the-dead-1540.html\"\u003eShambhala Publications\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eBOOK: COLLECTED WORKS VOL 6 (Commentary on the Tibetan Book of the Dead)\u003cbr\u003e-- from \u003ca href=\"https://www.shambhala.com/the-collected-works-of-chogyam-trungpa-380.html\"\u003eShambhala Publications\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Transcription Credits"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eAug 15 2019 to Nov 28 2023 Transcribing: Nate Speare Checking: Travis May Final Proof: Ella Milligan, Anne Seidlitz Other Contributors: Warner Dick, Lynn Friedman, JP Glutting\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003e© Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Year"]},"value":{"en":["1971"]}}],"summary":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eA short talk that clarifies the first bardo of dharmata. Initial experience of clear light as emptiness, completely open, neutral ground; perception of that ground is dharmakaya. Dissolving into that space contains truth, which becomes either enlightenment or distorted energy of samsara. Arising of the five tathagatas, in peaceful and wrathful forms, are elemental energies within clear light; symbols of psychological states. Discussion of traditional \"bardo retreat\". In Q\u0026amp;A, more on bardo retreat; clear light at death and how it progresses; how bardo presents opportunity for \"stepping into awake state of mind.\"\u003c/p\u003e"]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003e\u0026copy; Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced\u003c/p\u003e"]}},"provider":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["Chogyam Trungpa Digital Library"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["Chogyam Trungpa Digital Library"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/209/original/cti-library-logo-blue-text.png?1672724952","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/219/706/small/Logo-Audio-Red.png?1702270590","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 1 - 1702270555_19710927VCTR1-Audio-Prod-ARCHRmstr-Access.mp3"]},"duration":5723.25481,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/219/706/small/Logo-Audio-Red.png?1702270590","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/content/1/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-cti.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/219/706/original/1702270555_19710927VCTR1-Audio-Prod-ARCHRmstr-Access.mp3?1702270558","type":"Audio","format":"audio/mpeg","duration":5723.25481,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62563","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["19710927VCTR1-Transcript-Timed [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62563/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[19710927VCTR1 - Karme Choling - Tibetan Book of the Dead - Talk 4]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]\r\n\r\n\r\nARP SLATE: This is the Venerable Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche. Seminar on Tibetan Book of the Dead, held at Tail of the Tiger, Vermont. This is talk number four, September 27, 1971. This in an ARP Digital Remaster made March, 2006.\r\n\r\n\r\nORIGINAL SLATE: This will be Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, seminar on Tibetan Book of the Dead, held at Tail of the Tiger in September, 1971. This will be talk number four, September 27th.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706#t=0.0,40.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62563/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: MAIN TALK]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Six types of realms we be talking yesterday, should have some basic understanding of going-- goes along with that is that of basic idea of bardo. When we talk of bardo, it is -- Tibetan term \"bardo\" means: \"bar\" means \"in between\", and \"do\" means \"island\" or \"mark\", sort of landmark which stand between something. And it is rather like a island in the midst of a lake, is the bardo experience, or the bardo concept. And that concept of bardo is also based on the period between sanity and insanity, and also period between confusion and is confusion just about to transform into wisdom. It's the period of in-between. And of course it is also could be said that of experience of that which stands between birth and death, death and birth. And the bardo could be said purely in terms of a gap, in other word. The past situation just occurred, and the future situation hasn't manifest itself, so there is sort of a gap between the two, is basically bardo experience. So such is like chonyi bardo of the first bardo, is the experience of clear light that we be talking about that yesterday. And \"chonyi\" means \"dharmata\", or \"tathata\", or \"dharmata\", which is the dharma-ness quality, like shunyata, emptiness, the essence of *things* as they are, the is-ness quality.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706#t=40.0,274.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62563/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So chonyi bardo is-- or the clear light experience is could be said basic neutral ground, absolute open, basic neutral ground. And the perception of that basic neutral ground is that of dharmakaya, the body of truth, body of law.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706#t=274.0,310.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62563/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So in other word the whole thing that we've been talking yesterday, particularly discussion period, of whether there is continuity or whether there is an absolute dissolving situation. So the whole thing is, in this case, that somehow the dissolving into nothingness, or dissolving into dharmata, and awakening from dharmata state to dharmakaya and sambhogakaya and nirmanakaya, it doesn't seem to be particularly the point. The point is that when whole basis or criteria, or the perceiver, or the activator, begin to dissolves into basic space, then that basic space contains the dharma, contains the truth, and that truth has been somehow transmitted to in terms of samsara. And so in other word the space between samsara experience are the truth -- the dharma that comes through. So this kind of dharma is, in other word, the expression from the outer space so to speak.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706#t=310.0,418.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62563/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And that also provides a very important basic ground when we go to the details of the five tathagatas, and vision peaceful and wrathful ones as well. So these expressions of dharmata, clear light, is the-- is manifested in terms of not as physical or visual, but in terms of energy. That you have energy which contains, which has the quality of elements -- earth, water, fire, space. That we are not talking about ordinary substance, the gross level of elements, but the space of the element which stands between the gross level of the physical elements -- which is the sort of subtle elements.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706#t=418.0,510.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62563/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And such energy is not quite a concept, and it is not quite experience, but it is just so. I am talking purely in terms of the perceiver, purely in terms of the meditator, the practitioner. From practitioner's point of view, perceiving of five tathagatas in a vision is not vision, and it's not perception, it's not quite experience. It's not vision because if you have vision then you have to look. And looking is in itself an extroverted way of separating yourself from the vision. And you can't perceive. Once you begin to perceive you are introducing such experience into your system, and therefore you perceive that -- which means again, it's a dualistic style of relating to it. For that matter you can go as far as to say that you can't know it, because as long as there's a watcher to tell you that you how-- these are your experiences, then you're still separating these energies away from you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706#t=510.0,627.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62563/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think it's very important to understand all this basic principle. Which this will be not only necessary for studying Tibetan Book of the Dead alone, but this will be the really key point of any other iconographical symbolism that you might find in terms of tantric art. And of course the popular answer is given that it is all these pictures are sort of a psychological portrait, different divinities are psychological portrait. But there is something more than just being purely psychological portrait.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706#t=627.0,691.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62563/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And there is a particular specially organized bardo retreat, which is one of the most highly advanced form of retreat -- and highly dangerous one as well. And I hope you will be able to have it some stage in this country. Which consist of seven weeks meditating in utter darkness. [Laughter, laughs] And consequently, people get extremely hungry. So very good chef has been re-organized as well. So that chef brings food something like four times-- a big meal, four times a day. And what happens is that -- this is somewhat connected with the whole vision thing that we've been talking about -- is that you have a gradual process of going into it, going into the retreat, preparation of just ordinary, basic retreat. And once you've gone through that particular preparation, then person steps into the darkness by closing aperture in midnight, the skylight, so next morning then your first week begin.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706#t=691.0,804.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62563/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And there are techniques and practices. There's occasional visualizations of very simple things, largely based on principle of five tathagatas seen in the different types of eyes. The central place of tathagatas peaceful ones being in the heart, so you see in heart with different types of eyes. And principle of wrathful divinities being centralized in the brain, so you see brain-- within your brain there's certain types of eyes gazing at each other.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706#t=804.0,862.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62563/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And these visualizations are not regarded as just ordinary visualizations, but such visualization comes from the possibilities of insanity, and possibilities of losing ground altogether to the dharmata principle. And then person develops a certain sort of absolute and definite clear light experience -- completely open and clear light experience. And clear light experience flashes on and off. And sometime you don't experience clear light, but you be in it; and sometime you experience clear light. So there's a journey between dharmakaya and clear light.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706#t=862.0,935.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62563/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And generally around about the fifth week or so, the person then perceive the basic understanding of five tathagatas and these visions. Actually happens. Not in terms of vision, as we said already, and not term-- in terms of art at all but in terms of general, basic \"something\". Which is not quite exactly being aware of presence of them, or not exactly being aware of colors of them or energies of them exactly, but there's some abstract quality begin to develop of such understanding, which is purely based on energy. That when energy begins become independent energy, complete energy, that energy begin to look at itself, perceive itself, which transcends ordinary idea of perception. It's sort of like you walk, because you know that you don't need any support. And some state you walk unconsciously, because the idea of supporting with walking stick or walking on the crutches doesn't apply to you anymore -- and you just walk unconsciously. It's that kind of independent energy, self-- without any kind of self-consciousness at all, which is not at all fantasy. But there again at the same time one is not quite certain, one never knows.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706#t=935.0,1049.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62563/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's the basic principle that of preparing ground for chonyi bardo. And I think we should concentrate and try to understand this before we get into the details of bardo experience of the tathagatas. Maybe we could have a discussion.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706#t=1049.0,1083.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62563/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 1]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: Rinpoche, what are the dangers of the bardo retreat?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well there's possibilities of seeing yourself as an insane person already -- primevally insane. And one begin to realize that you are actually haunting yourself. And you try to run away and finally end up completely back to front. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: Completely what?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Back to front.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706#t=1083.0,1128.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62563/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 2]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: What can you do if you realize that you're haunting yourself?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: At that [INAUDIBLE] point, you can't do very much, except to relate with the physical body I suppose, relate with the things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706#t=1128.0,1149.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62563/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 3]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: Did you say that dharmata and tathata were not-- that that was not an experience?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It shouldn't be experience.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: Uh...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hum?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: So is purely a definitional term or does some-- is there some-- involves some awareness going through it anyhow, in spite of it not being an experience?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I mean it's obviously it's not purely term.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: Hmm. That's all I [INAUDIBLE WORDS]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It's the same as the idea of the word \"AH\", is known as the \"primeval voice\", which has never been spoken, therefore it's primeval voice.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: And so dharmakaya would correspond to \"O\" then? In-- if you-- is dharmakaya is more a self-conscious experiencing?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes, definitely, because that's why it say the \"kaya\". It doesn't say purely just dharmata but \"dharmakaya\". And in fact \"dharmakaya\" is the shortened version of \"jnana-dharmakaya\". That's the actual term, but the shortened is \"dharmakaya\". The... Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: Is that dharmata equivalent with the space you speak about?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It's the clear light thing, the basic space, neutral thing.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: When you talk about us having a perception of space, is that-- would that be the same as the clear light?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Perception?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: Percep-- well, identifying with space in our meditation for instance.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Oh I see. Well that seem to be very crude example of the whole thing.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: How is that?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, we have-- have we to apply effort there. I mean even at the beginning that we *think* we are meditating. We don't meditate at all -- we tell ourselves that we are meditating. So that's very... It's just facing towards the right direction rather than walking towards it.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: Well we also identify with a certain kind of space, you know you-- that you speak of, but it's not real space it's our, you know, imagination of it. But this kind of meditation that we're moving towards, is that -- and the kind of space that we're moving towards -- is that the same as the clear light?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I suppose fundamentally you could say that, yeah, mhmm. In that direction anyway. [laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706#t=1149.0,1363.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62563/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 4]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: If it is not experience, is it a state of being or a state of non-being?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It's just being.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Just being.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: We can't say even \"state\".","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706#t=1363.0,1377.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62563/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 5]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: You mean like the experience and the experiencer merge -- more or less?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: The experience and the experiencer merge? I mean, in order to have an experience, you have to have the event and the person to whom it's happening, if there's...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah that's the point. It's once you have that-- once you have to create that incident, then you-- you're experience involves many bundles of energies. And in this case all of those subject-object relations become one.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706#t=1377.0,1416.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62563/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 6]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: What does-- what is bardo the absence of? I mean you say it's a gap, but evidently situations still take place within the bardo--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Bardo, yeah--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: --so it's not gap entirely.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No, I mean, that's sort of relative situation. In order to have a gap you have to have the \"this side\" and \"that side\".\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: Would you say that the medium of experience during the bardo is on the sambhogakaya level?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well it has been said in the books that the uncertainty of the energy. Trying to relate with the space which is the dharmakaya, and also trying to relate with substance situation which is nirmanakaya, and hovering between the two. That's why it is described as sambhogakaya, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706#t=1416.0,1480.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62563/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 7]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: Rinpoche, in the book it says that when a person is subjected to clear light experience, or is in the clear light, he goes into a swoon for three and a half days, the first three and a half days.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: He goes into?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: Into a swoon, faints--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: --or collapses. Of course he's already dead but... [laughter] What I wonder about is if using those words of a \"swoon\", why-- who is-- how is that different from say sleeping, or if the person's watcher and ego isn't functioning...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, there are--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: Who’s minding the store or whatever--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: There is definitely energy. And traditionally what happens is that person who had experience of death, and who had already experience the sort of basic death understanding, and person who had also experience of sort of complete openness in terms of meditation, finds that whenever the clear light experience happens, that just simply absorbed in it for traditional time is three days, or three sun-- four sunrises. And sometimes it happens only for twenty-four hours. Where traditionally what one-- what happens is that your body is put in a sort of upright meditation posture. And immediately when the breath stops person stays that way; then some energy which keeps still. That experience remain within the realm of body. And in certain time body collapses -- after three days or twenty-four hours, whatever it may be -- and you get sort of blood and pus running out of your nostrils. Usually blood comes from the left and the pus type comes out in the right, and the body collapses and that's the person when wake up from the clear light experience.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: How would embalming affect that?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: How what?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: How would embalming or Western practice of embalming affect that whole process?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I suppose still goes on. But probably there would be some unexpected change in the physical body. And--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: Is it something to be avoided, do you think?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Possibly, yeah. I mean, even if the person died in the middle of summer or something, body doesn't smell -- until that point, you know? After that then immediately start smelling and it's time for cremation or whatever it's may be.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706#t=1480.0,1707.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62563/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 8]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: Is this true on all level of practitioners or on certain levels? I mean, if you die--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I mean I have witnessed to something like -- I don't know how many -- probably three people a week in Tibet. And usually about sixty percent of people managed to stay in the clear light thing. And it seem to be quite common in Tibet. [Laughs; laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706#t=1707.0,1743.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62563/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 9]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: Is the clear light related to space? Is that space?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I would say clear light *is* sort of unconditioned space.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: Is the-- it seems-- at least I think I've experienced sort of a space like that, and it seems that at times that it's possible for it to stay, but it seems like all my energy is pouring into it. What is-- should I stay with it, regardless? Or am I doing something wrong?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, as long as you try to stay in it, then the space becomes conditioned space, so there's no point in trying to push you back. And-- you see the experience of space and yourself become separate that point when you try to stay in, and before that there's no separation therefore you are in it already.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: There seems to be sort of a desperation to stay in it. That's part of it.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well that's kind of a secure and state of nothings happen, therefore it feels safer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706#t=1743.0,1852.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62563/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 10]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: Rinpoche? I can understand bardo being a transition state, but I'm still kind of confused as a in transition state between what?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well everything; any kind of two alternatives.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: Can you give some examples?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well birth and death. And death and birth. And the gap between sanity and insanity.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: So those are really small areas that...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well often it sort of-- so your suspended in nowhere is it seem to seemingly seem to be quite a long period, although in terms of ordinary time, doesn't seem to be all that long.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: In terms of time, yeah, but the area in which you know the bardo state would be found, let's say.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, is quite irritatingly sort of long period. In other word you are suspended in between the two possibilities.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706#t=1852.0,1929.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62563/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 11]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: Is sleep a bardo trip?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Supposedly, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706#t=1929.0,1937.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62563/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 12]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: It sounds like from certain point of view that bardo state is a space of opportunity. Seems like that it's bothered to present it, because it represents some kind of a special opportunity of some kind.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: For what?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's the important point. That because there's continual doubts and there's continual glimpse of the alternatives -- as well as continual doubts -- so there's your opportunity, there's a chance.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: For what?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: To go along with the alternatives or possibilities of conflicting situations, which will cause confusion and pain. But on the other hand, some other situation would provide stepping into awakening -- awake state of mind as well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706#t=1937.0,2024.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62563/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 13]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: Would you want to speak a bit more like about dreams and things?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, there's--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: I mean how they fit into this whole scheme?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well any kind of suspended areas -- I mean there's possibilities of awake, being woken up from sleep state.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: Yeah but my dreams are not like this description. Or are they? Or am I just misinterpreting them? They seem to be mostly wish fulfillment, I’d say.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well that's saying the same thing, that there's possibilities of realizing dream state is being part of a wishful thinking or possible paranoia, realizing that.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: Is there a clear light too in the sleep?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: With all situations, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706#t=2024.0,2090.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62563/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 14]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: Is there any kind of time concept in the chonyi bardo? For the person who's in it? You said three and a half days for the person outside watching, but what about the person in the state?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: There doesn't seem to be, no, because you're not relating with anything, you're just in it. It's kind of absorption, complete absorption; something more than purely trance state.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706#t=2090.0,2128.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62563/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 15]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: You said in the bardo yoga that you oscillate. The clear light experience comes and goes and that you oscillate between clear light and dharmakaya. Is that-- like sometimes you get that's happening, but there isn't the luminosity, there isn't the tremendous energy. Is that the-- in other words, is that the difference?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You mean are you talking about clear light?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: Yeah, in other words, you said that you-- the clear light comes and goes, but you're still in it, so-- and then you said again that you oscillate between clear light and dharmakaya.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: And does that mean that sometimes you feel yourself in it-- I mean you're in it, but there isn't the luminosity, there isn't the energy -- I mean the luminosity?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, well... Well, energy wouldn't be obvious, but there would be some kind of energy, otherwise the possibilities of to and fro journey from dharmakaya and clear light wouldn't occurred at all, there's no energy. And energy becomes more and more clear and sharp and precise, and luminous, when energy is just about relate with actual living situations or actual gross-level situations. That's why the sambhogakaya level is known as the luminosity -- state of luminosity. And also in the meditative experience in like shunyata is being space, and beyond shunyata you have luminosity -- prabhasvara. You have a precise, sort of luminous quality, which will introduce you into the discovering of colorful aspect of world in-- from the mahamudra experience. So energy can only happen when there is a sort of mudra quality, the colorful aspect being perceived. And one is begin to relate to it or one has possibilities of relating to it, then that level the luminosity begin to develop, opposed to pure emptiness of shunyata.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706#t=2128.0,2330.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62563/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 16]\r\n\r\n\r\nUNCONFIRMED DON: Rinpoche, on this experiencing losing the experiencer, sometimes if I examine the nature of sound, it becomes obvious to me that the sound is hearing itself, there's-- more or less.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Sound is?\r\n\r\n\r\nUNCONFIRMED DON: Hears itself. With-- who-- you know if there's no one really listening, it just seems to be, the sound is by itself and yet if I stop at my ears, the sound stops hearing itself. I mean, there seems to be the very nature of that energy requires radiation and receiving.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, that's-- it sounds like you are listening. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nUNCONFIRMED DON: Well, I'm trying to figure out who's listening. [laughs] And you know if I'm watching-- not watching, but try-- if I'm trying to listen, or trying to hear the hearing, it's obvious that the only thing that's being-- it just the sound seems to be hearing itself, with the-- that if you know that it’s just-- I don't-- it’s just by itself, and yet there's-- that whole experience, or lack of experience of something--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes, but--\r\n\r\n\r\nUNCONFIRMED DON: --seems to be dependent on my having ears, in any case, to do that examination.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes but at the same time, sound is maintained by you.\r\n\r\n\r\nUNCONFIRMED DON: So what's happening?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: So, this may not be particularly listening, but this could be *hearing* still. There's still a relational situation goes on.\r\n\r\n\r\nUNCONFIRMED DON: What-- when the experiencer and the experience are merged, then how is it possible to hear?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You don't. Sound just utters. In fact, sound becomes a visual thing, and visual thing becomes sound. That's why in the different visions in the bardo experience, you have certain tathagatas image of sound, and certain tathagatas image of vision.\r\n\r\n\r\nUNCONFIRMED DON: Well even in vision seems to be dependent on being viewed.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Not in the subtle sense at all. It's independent.\r\n\r\n\r\nUNCONFIRMED DON: If I close my eyes, I don't see you.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: But vision is there anyway. Whether you close your eyes or whether you looked it, it doesn't make any difference. The spontaneity of the vision just happens, independent of you, which is to say independent of ego.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706#t=2330.0,2532.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62563/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 17]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER17: Rinpoche, if bardo is transition, then that would mean that all of existence is bardo because that's all that exists is energy, or movement, or change. Is that correct?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's right, there's \"sidpa bardo\", which is the \"bardo between birth and death\". Then there's \"milam bardo\", the \"dream state\". And then bardo of death. And bardo of meditation, and so on, so.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER17: What I mean is, wouldn't just existence itself--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Is bardo state, yeah. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706#t=2532.0,2581.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62563/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 18]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER18: What is mahamudra? What is mudra?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What is?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER18: What is mudra?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: A mudra means-- the ordinary meaning of \"mudra\" means \"symbols\". But in the case of mahamudra it's not symbol in a sense of symbolizing something else, but symbol of being itself, like same thing as way we talking about sound -- does not need listener but sound just echoes by itself.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706#t=2581.0,2621.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62563/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 19]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER19: You said that bardo-- you answered [UNCLEAR: Roma’s?] question saying that all of existence was bardo, but I thought you said that it was gaps, or islands?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER19: Would that just be on a gross level?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well not necessarily. I mean we are all the time suspended in some where.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER19: Then it would seem like the six worlds would be sort of dreamlike gaps in bardo.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah that's why you change your states; being from hell being to heavenly beings.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706#t=2621.0,2667.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62563/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 20]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER20: Rinpoche, you said something to Don about then-- well is it that while in the clear light and sound, you can see sound and sound no longer occurs as something that you hear? What I was thinking of is things that happen while you're on acid, where music is playing and you don't hear music but you see colors, and mix-ups and sensory perception. What is this? Does this relate to bardo state? To clear light state?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well that-- the LSD experience of visual sound or audible vision, is very gross level, it seems to be extremely gross level, and very sort of like sculpture made out of concrete somehow with colors on. Somehow not refined enough, not loose enough, because that fills the space all the time. But in the case of what we were talking about is that -- in other word whole thing is expression of space itself rather than having, you know, independent of space, because the whole idea of the samsara as being the matter, and the buddha experience being the anti-matter. So the sculpture of the anti-matter itself is the expressions of five buddhas or whatever it may be. So you don't have any gross-level situation which requires another space at all, because it doesn't need any maintenance. So it provides a space as well as it provides the expressions.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706#t=2667.0,2791.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62563/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 21]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER21: When you talked about the bardo retreat, and the flipping out of the primeval insanity, or the perception of primeval insanity, is this after the clear light experience, or in the dharmakaya experience, or between?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, it seems that first glimpse of clear light instigate the whole thing of primeval, because you experience the primeval \"something\" with the clear light experience, and then that primeval something begin to haunt you as fundamentally insane, or fundamentally sane. In other word--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER21: Is that because there's nothing to relate it to, or--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Nothing to relate to therefore yeah, it extremely terrifying.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER21: Even if you had teachings you wouldn't be able to relate with it?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I mean, that is teaching anyway, and teachings becomes words at that point.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706#t=2791.0,2876.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62563/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 22]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER22: What do you mean by fundamental insanity?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well there seems to be fundamental \"no-ground\", which is a terrifying experience. Because usually if one is frightened of something, you have some logical reason to be frightened of. In this case it's ultimate terror, which has no cause or effect, anything, but it's sort of terror without a situation of you know maintaining its fear, but sort of naturally happens with that, terror without--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER22: Is that the terror--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --terror without any needs to any sort of maintenance.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER22: At some of the mental hospitals, they have patients who are padded cell types, who are just, you know, totally screaming all the time. There's nothing that can be done for them but just sedatize [sic] them or something. Is that the-- what they're experiencing?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well possibility, yes. I mean when there's no ground, that's much more terrifying.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706#t=2876.0,2947.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62563/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 23]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER23: The fundamental sanity is ground, or it's just a different attitude to no-ground?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Fundamental sanity is the confident of developing sort of confident to the neutral area, which doesn't need ground.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER23: So it's the same place, but different response--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --same place but different, yeah. [laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706#t=2947.0,2979.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62563/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 24]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER24: But different what?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well different expressions I suppose, you know different-- the one-- the other-- the insanity is haunted by the primeval quality, and insanity inspired by the primeval quality.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER24: Are there breaks in such a state?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER24: Are there still gaps in such a state? I mean you said fundamental-- where-- I mean is it just *so* fundamental that it there-- that that's just it, I mean there's no gap, there's no possibility of any [INAUDIBLE]--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: The gaps could be only the flashes of energies, not only gaps.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706#t=2979.0,3033.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62563/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 25]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER25: Is this the object of the retreat experience to undergo this feeling of terror because there's no ground?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well object of retreat is to see that-- I suppose you could say that transcend that terror.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER25: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Which is-- I mean ultimate possible threat that could happen. And transcend that ultimate threat, and transmute that loose ground -- fear to the loose ground -- into inspiration into the loose ground.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER25: It keeps recurring.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: At that point it wouldn't keep recurring because... I mean any sort of fundamental experience that we develop, that makes so much impression on us, that would be last measure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706#t=3033.0,3103.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62563/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 26]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER26: It would seem that, if anything, that we're dependent on-- for our quote-unquote sanity now, and since all things are impermanent we have that possibility, a way-ness, when in the bardo, when we lose-- these attachments are taken away suddenly, like in a dead state, or...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Possibilities of?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER26: Well if, like, I seem to be dependent on a ground to keep some type of sanity, so-called sanity, operating. I mean like I need a cushion, or I have things which are-- that I'm dependent on for my comfort, which I take it, you know, these are all temporary things. So we-- if those goes away you're back down to fundamental insanity, right? I mean if they-- if they're just gone, like in a-- that state we're back down to... it's [laughing] [INAUDIBLE]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706#t=3103.0,3172.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62563/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 27]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER27: Rinpoche, I don't like-- it's the outcome of what would happens in this retreat or in any of these bardos if we keep saying \"once you're into the thing, there's nothing you can do, the outcome is predetermined by what precedes.\" So I can't understand what would be the motivation for provoking -- in other words, for getting into it. It seems like it could only be sort of curiosity, in other words...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well you wouldn't have even curiosity at all.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER27: In other words what is the -- you say the motivation for taking this retreat is to transcend the terror, but you haven't any idea if you're going to transcend it or not?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well that--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER27: Like, I'm *not* transcending it so--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Possibility, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER27: So--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I mean, that's the whole idea of goal is path and path is goal. That that particular basic notion goes all throughout of all teachings, you know in this case.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER28: You don't have any statistics.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER27: I don't see the-- I can't get the [INAUDIBLE WORDS]. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No. Well I mean it's obvious that fundamentally if you don't want to -- you know that you can't experience enlightenment, then what's the point of doing it? I mean certain stage the experienc*er* begin to wears out, so, what's the point of doing the whole thing at all any way, any case? That applied all along. [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706#t=3172.0,3269.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62563/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 28]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER29: I read that certain people do this for periods of years, stay in bardo retreat or what sounds like the same thing. For four years, five years?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No, usually seven weeks, always -- forty-nine days.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER30: What is the reason for that period of time?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well that's relatively close to average person's experience of creating crescendo, and going through it and coming out. I mean that's-- that sort of tradition developed out of practice of other people.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER31: Does-- is it also because the bardo after death lasts about that same length of time?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's right, yeah. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706#t=3269.0,3326.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62563/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 29]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER32: If you go through that retreat, then when you actually die, you're experiencing something for at least the second time?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Sure. I mean there your body is put into a -- you’re going sort of inwardly; you build a dark room and you go into it physically. But in the terms of death, your body's exposed, and you have nowhere to be. It's two different way of looking at.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706#t=3326.0,3362.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62563/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 30]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER33: I don't see how the experiencer can actually wear away entirely since there's a certain solidified aspect of the experiencer, and the fact-- and that instead of being a clear light, the energies are diversified in a very solidified way it seems, in terms of intellect, emotions, motor you know physical, et cetera. So it's difficult to conceive of the possibility of all-- of the diversification of these things ceasing to be, you know. I mean it seems to be very solid, something about the way the energy is diversified into intellect, emotions, and physical, or something like that, and all those -- whatever they are.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Diversified.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER33: I mean my model or my picture, is that everything is not separate from the clear light at all, but it is the clear light -- it's the expression of it. But on the level of manifestation on which we exist, the clear light is definitely solidified into its-- into diverse forms of its expression. For instance, I don't-- the clear light being a completely neutral ground wouldn't have intelligence as separated from emotions, for example; there would be no separation there.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER33: It wouldn't have a physical characteristic as separated from either of the foregoing two. So it's difficult-- it seems that we're definitely tied to-- somehow it seems to me inalienably tied to that solidified diversification. I don't see how it can ever[laughs] wear away.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, point is not necessarily trying to wear it away but that it's like, in other word, we could say the experience of clear light is because that there is emotions and there is energies, which expresses the clear light.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER33: You mean-- so it'd be more a question of they're being harmonious rather than in conflict?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, interdependent -- almost. The existence of clear light is because the existence of the other aspects there.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER33: Together?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706#t=3362.0,3608.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62563/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 31]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER34: Would that be the same thing, the interdependence of our emotions and intellect with the clear light, would that interact in the same way as say in a bardo state visions interact with the clear light?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That depends on the different types of experience. Visions associated with a centralized ego thing would be a very kind of exclusive vision. And visions associated with the clear light are hardly become visions at all -- it's something more fundamental.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER34: But that's the same with our ordinary action. Some ordinary action has a definite interplay with the clear light and as others is ego-centered.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER34: So if you can-- if you act in a non-egocentric way, in your daily life you don't need a particular bardo experiences to sort of be in touch with the clear light?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, it happens naturally, automatically.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706#t=3608.0,3689.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62563/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 32]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER35: If such a guy was hanging out in that place then he would just see his body; or what we identify as being ourselves would just be part of the environment?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: The body?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER35: I mean if a person, I don't know if that's-- if the-- to say that they're-- this guy and he freed himself from concept -- ego concept -- well then, if he was sitting in a room with a bunch of people, it'd be, you know, it'd be this person, this person, this person, this person and this person -- no value or difference. So he’d just be part of the environment, so to speak that he’s viewing.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Part of the environment.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER35: Well, you know what's happening, or what's being projected. Or... whatever. I don't know I mean, [laughs] I'm asking you. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well that's-- whole process there is... that natural environment of having a center and fringe.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER35: You say one time we should try and view everything from kind of nowhere so everything is *that*, so to speak -- transcending \"this\" and \"that\" by getting rid of *this*.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER35: Well then, if everything is \"that\", then that is just... you're just kind of looking through, just something-- experiencing through something, but that's it; it's like a whole world play is going on or a screen or something.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: But you don't have the basic mentality of calculating anything at all, even \"that\" becomes nothing. [Snapping sound] Therefore, \"this\" becomes nothing as well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706#t=3689.0,3839.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62563/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 33]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER36: Rinpoche? How would you equate the Heart Sutra with bardo, clear light and space, or in other words what we're talking about?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I think from terms of application that things like the visions you have in the bardo experience, we been talking about, that visions don't have to be a visual thing or audible thing, but in itself there is a definite pattern. Which is saying the same as like in \"emptiness is form and form is empty\"; it's that kind of situation. And in terms of clear light experience, that Heart Sutra purely talks in terms of the absence of everything -- the emptiness quality of the clear light -- rather than the energetic aspect of the clear light which is from point of view of a category that supposed to happen in the other sutras such as like Samadhiraja Sutra and Mahaparinirvana Sutra, talks about in terms of luminosity rather than emptiness. So the Heart Sutra's point of view of emptiness is the first glimpse of the clear light, rather than the play of the clear light.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER37: Wouldn't emptiness be form, be-- allow for the energy? \"Emptiness is form--\"\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes, but somehow it doesn't say luminosity. It purely says form.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER38: So then, having an experience of emptiness is just having an experience of emptiness, it's not the clear light? Or luminosity?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Not luminosity, no.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER39: Is that emptiness shunyata?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER39: Is that emptiness the void, shunyata?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Shunyata? Mhmm. [INAUDIBLE] the Tibetan Book of the Dead belong to the category of what's known as \"mahayogayana\", which is the fourth tantric stages. It's the meeting point of from mahamudra experience to maha ati experience of the final dharmata. And there seems to be quite a lot of gap between just basic mahayana teaching or shunyata up to mahayogayana; there is a lot of gap between the two, because you have to go through whole mahamudra experience of the symbol quality of it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706#t=3839.0,4071.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62563/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 34]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER40: Is there a relationship between -- you said \"confidence\" -- what would be the primeval sanity instead of primeval insanity, is that it would be the quality of confidence in the no-ground? Is this related to acceptance and would a person who has come that far simply given up more and more and been-- and enlarged his capacity for acceptance so finally he can accept anything?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. You see, acceptance is sort of giving in, but the fundamental acceptance becomes more creative than just purely giving in, it becomes like inspiring and creative.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER40: So that everytime one gives in, somewhat, every acceptance does have an effect on confidence, it enlarges the confidence.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, it does, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER40: But I imagine that finally if the person comes to that point, they are already another kind of being, so we really cannot talk about so much about compartmentalized intellect and emotion and so forth here. It would be a different-- in a different realm already, even though they are here.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, yeah, fundamentally the-- when the-- basically when the acceptance becomes inspiration -- the greater inspiration -- greatest inspiration is there's no one to inspire anymore. It's self-inspiring in the self, self-perpetuating.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706#t=4071.0,4175.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62563/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 35]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER41: Rinpoche, what does transcendence have to do with dancing with it, in terms of in a situation of fundamental insanity?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well dancing is therefore the -- almost one could say the dance is sort of first discovery, first breakthrough. There's joy of fundamentally you are freed from ground of any kind, so there's some kind of delightness involved, which causes dance. Which is the dance is kind of first glimpse, rather than the ultimate thing.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER42: Is that transcendence would come first, and then dance would be a reaction to transcendence?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER42: What does that have to do with the term \"crazy wisdom\", in terms of fundamental insanity and dancing and...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well in terms of crazy wisdom, it is the whole thing. That crazy wisdom is not purely depend on the dance alone; it's also based on executing things more than dance -- just leading life, in other word. You discover new style of life and you have influence by it, and overjoyed, so to speak. And then one begin to lead life after that, which is the crazy wisdom itself is the very sort of practicality of the whole thing.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER43: But in terms of energy, would it this be that there's a very free flow that you receive it and you give it forth, as the circumstances present themselves? That there is no place where you try to-- where there are pockets of resistance to the flow of energy, that you would just be a creature in creation who receives and sends off continuously?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: At which point?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER43: At the point if you reach this point of dancing with it or having crazy wisdom.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. Well you don't have a personality as such necessarily, at all. You wouldn't have the dancer; I mean you wouldn't have area to relate to necessarily at all. The situation around act as a body for you, rather than your having, so to speak independent body.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706#t=4175.0,4352.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62563/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 36]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER44: Can you bring this down to another kind of a level, like for example the sadhana [Sadhana of Mahamudra], in the age of materialism and the time that we're living in? I mean, how can this come about, you know in terms of the other process which is continuous?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You mean how the two could coexist? Well it seems it exists more because the age of materialism is also outrageous one.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER44: Outrageous?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. So there's the counterpart of the outrageous one as well happens. So it's absolutely fitting.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER44: Well, how do you explain it in terms of time?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well then again, I mean--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER44: History, or...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --exactly the same thing as I said that... situations present all these experiences; not because experiences are magically powerful. The situations presents magic.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER44: What gives the situations their power?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Sort of-- things becomes more and more gross level, more and more clumsy. And so much so that the gross level becomes more and more grosser. And the matter becomes more and more gross, so the anti-matter becomes that much powerful as well. So finally there seems to be a kind of explosion, of meeting of the two gross levels.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER44: Would you describe this being the end of one cycle and the beginning of another? Kind of [INAUDIBLE WORDS]?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well that seems happen constantly, all the time. There's explosions taking place constantly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706#t=4352.0,4510.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62563/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 37]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER45: You said that the situation begins to appear more-- situations begin to appear grosser and grosser, and more and more clumsy. And then you said there's a coming together of two gross things which cause the explosion. What are the-- what's the other one?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well probably I put it wrongly; I have to second thought about that. [Laughter] The anti-gross anti-matter--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER45: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --isn't exactly become more and more grosser, but it becomes more and more reactionary. And such place takes in in an environment of basic space.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER45: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Sort of basic lubrication.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER46: So the language becomes more complicated as the [INAUDIBLE WORDS]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Or whatever it is. The silence becomes more powerful.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER47: I didn't follow exactly. Is that what the explosion is? The silence becoming more powerful? Or, what did you--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, yeah, I mean when the music becomes louder and louder, the silence becomes that much powerful, and penetrating.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706#t=4510.0,4590.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62563/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 38]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER48: Would the opposite energies then get stronger instead of--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Stronger, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER49: --the opposite [INAUDIBLE WORDS].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Both, yeah. I mean whole thing is talking about prophecies [laughter] that I don't know anything about the red-cheeked people, but... [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nAUDIENCE: Who?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That come from last seminar. But definitely it is been said that this age of Kali Yuga [dark age], there is more and more potential of teaching of dharmakaya coming more powerful and more prominent.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER50: So then you could perhaps say that the whole Western world but particularly this country is going through a huge historical bardo altogether? [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Definitely, yeah. Definitely, yeah. That's...\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER47: Historical or hysterical?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706#t=4590.0,4663.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62563/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 39]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER51: Is the-- in the crazy wisdom or the normal action after a kind of clear light experience include-- is there room for in that being uptight and afraid or hateful or greedy? Is that included in crazy wisdom? [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: After the clear light, did you say?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER51: Well, you said you experience it and you're joyful, and then you have to continue living.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER51: And that that was the ground of skillful means.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER51: Does that skillfulness include being fearful at times, hateful at other times?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I don't think so. Then you have no room to be skillful.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER51: Well that, does it somehow--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Because you are so occupied with all those things.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER51: Those emotions-- are all emotions positive or negative, are more or less left behind?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I wouldn't say without emotions, but without the impact of the emotions.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER51: So then--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I mean the emotions are not particularly lethal at all, they're just a bundle of energies. But how the emotions can manifest itself to a certain target, certain ground -- which brings conflict. So when this ground is lost, the emotions just happen as it is; natural process.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER51: So emotions, even the negative ones, continue to occur, but a kind of sense of humor goes along with them?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Everything goes along with it. [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706#t=4663.0,4759.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62563/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 40]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER52: Milarepa has a song about this: that he's sitting on-- in the cave and he's very joyful, and he says something: the more confusion there is and the more ups and downs, the more I enjoy it. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, we trying to find that song, couldn't find it. Do you remember where-- which particular [INAUDIBLE]--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER52: It's in the first volume, but I-- it's a wonderful thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706#t=4759.0,4785.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62563/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 41]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER53: Rinpoche, it would seem then that the moment of the explosion then is the moment when you have the chance for the perception of the clear light. Is that--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER53: And does that tie in in terms of the day-to-day living experience with the kind of emphasis that is-- that you place on negativity in a sense? That it's a point of drama, of conflict, when the struggle gets so great that there's-- you know the anti-struggle is so great that there's an explosion, is the kind of day-to-day possibility--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Definitely, yeah. Definitely, yeah, yeah. And the whole language of going along with whatever it is -- negatives or emotions -- is based on that principle it seems, yeah. So that's why whole life is regarded as a bardo -- the opportunity, constant, constant struggle, constant confrontation.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER54: If that can happen with negative, can it happen with the same kind of explosions, or the same results of an explosion with positivity?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think so, yeah. Hmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER55: Is this like a nuclear explosion?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER55: But I mean, does something increase?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I mean I don't know, not being scientist, but I can imagine. I can imagine that greater force meeting together you know, the matter and the anti-matter meeting together.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER55: I mean like is there more energy then afterward?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Afterwards? Well afterwards you're sort of dissolved into... That explosion creates more lubrication thing that we've been talking about. So that matter is dissolved into antimatter, and that creates the next space, to take further places, you know, so therefore there's a constant explosion goes on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706#t=4785.0,4930.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62563/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 42]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER56: Rinpoche, if \"this\" is transcended and \"that\" is transcended, what's going on?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Both. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER56: Well zero-- zero and zero is still zero and yet, there's talking and there's all this stuff.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, I mean zero means one, two, three, four, five as well. Doesn't it?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER47: It does, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You can't have a number one without a zero, or two, or three, or million, hundred millions.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706#t=4930.0,4969.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62563/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 43]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER57: Rinpoche, how can you-- see, we seem to have a little confliction here [laughter] -- slight. See, we seem to come to a certain climax. When the party is dead, that's a wonderful thing, it's easy; the party is dead and you go through the routine, and they're trained that way, from the country or whatever it is. Now that's easy speaking to that dead one. Now, we come here to this country -- now how could we start the ball rolling, while we're alive, and bring up these exact teachings? Because we can't go to a dead one and because that they wouldn't even have us *near* them, as the dead one.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm, point, yeah. Mhmm. [Laughter] Yeah. Well maybe there are some other dead ones, are very close with us. [Laughter] Maybe we are dying constantly, and being born constantly.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER57: Well I would like to have a cycle developed. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well that's why you survive. You are going through the cycle, birth and death constantly. And these explosions we've been talking about is taking place in you constantly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706#t=4969.0,5080.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62563/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 44]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER58: What's the speed of these explosions? I mean number per second?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mathematically? [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER58: For instance. [Laughs, laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: We'd have to have a little laboratory. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER58: I mean are they spaced, for instance, like quite a ways apart, or are they so fast that you can't tell how far they are apart; like if you're driving your car, you can't tell that each piston is exploding very quickly?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. Mhmm. Well, I would say extremely fast. That explosions even-- you can't perceive the explosions. And there seems to be, from a gross level of judging it, that it seems there's no explosion taking place at all, because of so fast and so minute.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER58: Is each one giving birth to the next one, so to speak?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Seems yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER58: And so there's a connection, that transcends the space between explosions?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER58: I mean like is it a flow or is it a flash? [laughs] -- I think what I'm asking.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That we have to ex-- we have to try to understand it. I mean there's no basic rule about it at all; we have to work out.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER59: Would you be willing to describe the elements of the-- causing the explosion in some terms other than matter and antimatter, which doesn't particularly strike me.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Other than that -- can you think of anything? [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER59: Well yeah I can think of -- you put flour and water together and it explodes and you get bread.[Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER59: But I mean you know, I mean I don't know if that's analogous or not.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That doesn't seem to particularly be one. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER60: How about \"every action has an equal and opposite reaction?\" And then if you just look at that a little bit differently-- I mean every struggle, every force, has a something working equally, and it creates something working equally against it when the two come together [INAUDIBLE]. Or, if you have a centrifuge, and there's something spinning, and it's spinning in something, it's creating friction. And the faster and faster it spins the greater friction it creates, and eventually something burns out -- explodes.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER61: What burns out?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER60: Well I mean the whole thing explodes. If it gets too hot the whole thing explodes.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER61: Both the centrifuge and the medium.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER60: Yeah, both the centrifuge and the medium. But then there's a greater medium in which they're both operating -- just dissolve into.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER62: It's also like... running really, really, really fast and getting so exhausted you finally relax. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER47: Banging your head against the wall. [INAUDIBLE] because it feels good.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I suppose one can relate with the bardo experience we've been talking about. That the same principle that energy drives is so fast, and finally that one loses point whether you are working for you or against you. Then the whole perspective becomes dissolves into clear light. I mean from the terms of dualistic intelligence--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER47: I see that.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --that intelligence becomes *so* intelligence and extremely intelligence, that finally intelligence begin to lose point.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER47: I see that.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [Laughs] It seem that what we are trying to get it, originally, the whole thing was.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706#t=5080.0,5388.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62563/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 45]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER63: Should we seek out negativity then, because it has its positive, or just play it by ear?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well you have no choice. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER63: Well you seem to sometimes.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Not really. You're always in situations, of the past.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER63: Well, when you turn to us sometimes and say it's up to us--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER63: I assume that you're saying: well it's up to us; we have a choice.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well you have-- yeah you have-- it's purely up to you, whether you give up hope of there's some choice.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER63: Could you do that again [INAUDIBLE]?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Just to give up, there's a choice. I mean if you think you have a choice, you'll be constantly running, but I mean when you realize there's no choice, then you don't run anymore.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER63: Well I have a choice whether I meditate or not. I can watch television instead.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You can do what?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER63: I mean you know, I have a choice of either meditating or watching television.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well...\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER63: And if I give up, I don't necessarily do either, I'll just sit there and see what happens. I guess nothing will happen, right? Or will something happen? [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I don't think you have a choice, particularly. You find yourself meditating or you find yourself watching television. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER64: You could find yourself meditating while you're watching television. [Laughter] You could watch television meditating while you're-- [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706#t=5388.0,5518.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62563/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 46]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER65: This is maybe a naive question. Is there-- can the clear light be said to-- I know it can't be said to exist, but does it have to have minds to be there? Does it-- is it predicated on some mind that perceives it?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER65: I guess what I'm asking is does Buddhism ever-- does it have a myth which covers creation? What starts the whole six bardos running in the first place?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well first place it's same thing that we've been talking about the Abhidharma seminar [Aug 1971]. If the basic space filled with energy, and energy begin to develop-- spark of energies begin to develop friction. And--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER65: But just spontaneously? Or--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Spontaneously, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER65: There's no reason for it?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well there's no reason. There's no particular reason, except there's energy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706#t=5518.0,5587.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62563/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 47]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER66: Then what's the need of intelligence?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER66: What's the need of intelligence?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It's no question of need, but it exists there.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER66: Well intelligence has to make a choice. That's what intelligence is, isn't it?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Not necessarily. Intelligence sees the situation.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER66: But intelligence creates the situation.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's what the ego is, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER67: The situation creates ego?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Situation creates intelligence-- let me think. [Laughter] Situation creates intelligence -- yeah, that's true, yeah. That's the whole idea of skillful means.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER68: Because a *basic* intelligence, that's outside that.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: The basic intelligence, yeah; that sort of basic chemistry is there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706#t=5587.0,5645.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62563/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 48]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER69: Does anybody anywhere have a choice? Including the basic intelligence?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER47: It's [INAUDIBLE] basic intelligence.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER69: Right now I'm thinking what I want, because it's-- is-- [Laughter] I mean there seems to be a great deal of vitality and joy in creativity in being human, in expressing. Creativity itself is the expression of choice. And I-- I see that slowly slipping away with nothing replacing it. At this point it's beginning to look like insanity is preferable to sanity.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER70: But isn't that choice, you know just within your own world; like, you don't have the choice of thinking what I'm thinking.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER69: Maybe; maybe n-- he said I don't have any choice at all! So, who is thinking? You know I mean, that's-- I mean that's just a bunch of thoughts anyway. But I mean there's painting and there's lovemaking and... you know, arranging flowers -- bunch of things which--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, sure.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER69: --seem to fulfill a very basic need.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Sure.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER69: But--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER69: --that's not-- none of that's happening.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, you can't have those situations--\r\n\r\n\r\n[AUDIO CUTS OUT] \r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706#t=5645.0,5723.25481"}]},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62564","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["19710927VCTR1-Captions [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62564/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ARP SLATE:\nThis is the Venerable Chogyam\nTrungpa Rinpoche.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706#t=1.07,5.08"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62564/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Seminar on Tibetan Book\nof the Dead,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706#t=5.08,6.7"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62564/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"held at Tail\nof the Tiger, Vermont.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706#t=6.7,8.95"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62564/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This is talk number four,\nSeptember 27, 1971.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706#t=8.95,14.5"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62564/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This in an ARP Digital Remaster\nmade March, 2006.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706#t=14.5,21.18"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62564/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ORIGINAL SLATE: This will be\nChogyam Trungpa Rinpoche,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706#t=21.18,24.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62564/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"seminar on Tibetan Book\nof the Dead,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706#t=24.0,26.23"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62564/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"held at Tail of the Tiger\nin September, 1971.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706#t=26.23,30.18"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62564/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This will be talk\nnumber four, September 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Mhmm.\n[Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706#t=4867.2,4870.63"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62564/annotation/1073","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER55: But I mean,\ndoes something increase?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706#t=4870.63,4873.13"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62564/annotation/1074","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE:\nI mean I don't 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Mhmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706#t=5032.03,5033.39"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62564/annotation/1109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[Laughter]\nYeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706#t=5033.39,5035.68"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62564/annotation/1110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well maybe there\nare some other dead ones,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706#t=5037.9,5043.53"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62564/annotation/1111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"are very close with us.\n[Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706#t=5043.53,5049.2"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62564/annotation/1112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Maybe we are dying constantly,\nand being born constantly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706#t=5049.2,5054.74"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62564/annotation/1113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER57: Well I would like to\nhave a cycle developed.\n[Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706#t=5061.82,5066.73"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62564/annotation/1114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE:\nWell that's why you survive.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706#t=5066.73,5069.63"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62564/annotation/1115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You are going through the cycle,\nbirth and death constantly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706#t=5069.63,5074.15"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62564/annotation/1116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And these explosions we've been\ntalking about is taking place\nin you constantly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706#t=5074.15,5080.51"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62564/annotation/1117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER58: What's the speed\nof these explosions?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706#t=5080.51,5082.49"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62564/annotation/1118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I mean number per second?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706#t=5082.49,5084.8"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115838/file/219706/transcript/62564/annotation/1119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE:\nMathematically? 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