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Trungpa Rinpoche explains with clarity and depth what Tibetan Buddhism is, how it differs from other forms of Buddhism. View of meditation according to Tibetan Buddhism as reducing complications, \"simplifying life\", by relating directly with one's state of mind. Discusses basic Buddhist philosophy:  understanding what confusion is, how ego creates it, how one undoes it.  Not running away from life, but seeing reality as it is, Questions posed by interviewer include: what the cause of anxiety is; how student-teacher relationship works in Tibetan Buddhism; Trunpa Rinpoche's unorthodox style as a teacher; what Buddhist approach is to intimate relationships. Trungpa Rinpoche gives especially profound and in depth answer to the latter. Also a poignant explanation as to how people without access to a teacher or sangha can work on their spiritual development."]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication"]},"value":{"en":["UNPUBLISHED"]}},{"label":{"en":["Transcription Credits"]},"value":{"en":["Dec 02 2019 to Jan 30 2022\nTranscribing: Leandra Ziegler\nChecking: Ella Milligan\nFinal Proof: Ella Milligan\nOther Contributors: Lynn Friedman, Warner Dick"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["© Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced"]}},{"label":{"en":["Year"]},"value":{"en":["1972"]}}],"summary":{"en":["An interview that took place at Karme-Choling with an unidentified but knowledgeable and candid interviewer. Trungpa Rinpoche explains with clarity and depth what Tibetan Buddhism is, how it differs from other forms of Buddhism. View of meditation according to Tibetan Buddhism as reducing complications, \"simplifying life\", by relating directly with one's state of mind. Discusses basic Buddhist philosophy:  understanding what confusion is, how ego creates it, how one undoes it.  Not running away from life, but seeing reality as it is, Questions posed by interviewer include: what the cause of anxiety is; how student-teacher relationship works in Tibetan Buddhism; Trunpa Rinpoche's unorthodox style as a teacher; what Buddhist approach is to intimate relationships. Trungpa Rinpoche gives especially profound and in depth answer to the latter. Also a poignant explanation as to how people without access to a teacher or sangha can work on their spiritual development."]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["© Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced"]}},"provider":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["Chogyam Trungpa Digital Library"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["Chogyam Trungpa Digital Library"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/209/original/cti-library-logo-blue-text.png?1672724952","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/269/300/small/Logo-Audio-Red.png?1743638874","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146096/file/269300","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 1 - 1743638846_19720822VCTR2-Audio-Prod-CTIAutoRmstr-Access.mp3"]},"duration":4110.377,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/269/300/small/Logo-Audio-Red.png?1743638874","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146096/file/269300/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146096/file/269300/content/1/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-cti.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/269/300/original/1743638846_19720822VCTR2-Audio-Prod-CTIAutoRmstr-Access.mp3?1743638847","type":"Audio","format":"audio/mpeg","duration":4110.377,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146096/file/269300","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146096/file/269300/transcript/78137","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["19720822VCTR2-Transcript [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146096/file/269300/transcript/78137/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[19720822VCTR2 - Interview - Karme Choling - Unidentified Interview]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]\r\n\r\n\r\nARP SLATE: This is the Venerable Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche. Interview with Chogyam Trungpa, held at Tail of the Tiger, Vermont. This is a single talk, held August 22nd, 1972. This is an ARP digital remaster made October, 2006.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146096/file/269300#t=0.0,22.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146096/file/269300/transcript/78137/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: OPENING REMARKS]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I suppose that most of people in the West have tremendous misunderstanding about Buddhist tradition, Tibet or Tibetan Buddhism, and often referred it as \"Lamaism\" which is a wrong way of approaching. I suppose quite number of people in this country have fair amount of understanding or at least information about the general lifestyle of Zen Buddhism and Zen practice that had developed, as well as some understanding of Hinduism and Hindu practices as well. So I suppose we could approach from those two angles: the Tibetan Buddhism's similarity with the-- that of Zen and that of some part of Buddhist yoga connected with like similar to Hinduism, two approaches.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146096/file/269300#t=22.0,94.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146096/file/269300/transcript/78137/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In order to get into the clear picture of it, suppose we have to go back to the historical situation that had developed in Tibet. Historically that Tibetan Buddhism come from India, and different stages of development of Buddhism in India had been constantly influenced the Tibetan Buddhism generally. And there was basic Buddhism, that is to say the monastic tradition of Buddhism and practice of meditation and its philosophy. And then there is the advanced Buddhism, which is what's known as Mahayana Buddhism, in which that certain emphasis made on the importance of the intellect and the philosophical learning as well as its practice of meditation. And then there is the third and last development is what's called \"the vajrayana\" or \"tantra\" or \"tantric Buddhism\" which contains certain practices of yogic way. So that Tibet is unlike any other Buddhist country that had occasional lapse of political upheaval and persecutions, other things. That Tibet had constantly continued its, so to speak, feedback from India constantly, so that it is one of the richest, complete Buddhist tradition that does exist in this world.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146096/file/269300#t=94.0,217.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146096/file/269300/transcript/78137/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So that Tibetan Buddhism makes tremendous emphasis on any other Buddhist traditions, on meditation practice such as like similar to that of Zen monasteries or monastic tradition is similar one, and the emphasis made on the simplifying life in the sense of not introducing unnecessary complications or confusions in life. Rather than particularly renouncing, in the sense of giving up or turning away from the world, but simplify the present existence and through certain simple monastic way of life. As well as the basic practice of meditation is also geared to that attitude, in the sense that at the beginner's level practice of meditation, that you make emphasis on purely simplicity of relating with your state of mind, rather than introducing mantras or visualizations or ritual ceremonies or whatever. So the foundations of Buddhism, so to speak, is start on the very simple base.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146096/file/269300#t=217.0,297.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146096/file/269300/transcript/78137/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then the philosophical aspect of Buddhism is that try to understand the psychology of the confused world, so to speak. So in other word, that it's not so much of theology in the sense of the study of the enlightened mind, particularly alone, but it is simply trying to understand the pattern of confusion and why confusion is come about. And it's the understanding of the basic pattern of ego. And in this case ego is being that which try to maintain itself, trying to protect and defend itself, rather than attitude of generosity or attitude of giving. And consequently this holding back and defending yourself brings all kinds of passion and aggression and anger and all kinds of things tend to develop. So which then causes losing the track of keeping things as they are so then one tend to get confused, one tend to lose the thread of logic. And that's the definition of neurosis from that point of view. So in other word the ego is basis of neurosis. But Buddhism does not talk about regarding the ego as villain or giving up or destroying it, but using that inspiration of discovery -- discovering -- ego as psychological neurosis and understanding that, and realizing that brings starting point of the whole pattern of psychological makeup.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146096/file/269300#t=297.0,414.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146096/file/269300/transcript/78137/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And practice of meditation is therefore based on trying to unmask or unlearn, undo, the unnecessary collections that ego is manage to do for lives and lives. So it's process of undoing. And having completely achieved in the unmasking process completely, then one begin to realize the natural state of mind. Which one might call pure, but it is in a sense unconditional purity. Which is the tantric tradition comes in there is to experience the colorful and energetic and precise aspect of seeing the reality without distortion. So that's the principle of a mandala, for instance -- that being taught is to perceive world as in its own natural state. So in other word, the whole process is not turning away from life situation but trying to find the essence of life and learn how to lead life.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146096/file/269300#t=414.0,480.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146096/file/269300/transcript/78137/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I suppose that's the general thread of three principles -- the simplicity aspect and the realizing ego structure and finally realizing also the essence of the mind, are the three principles that Tibetan Buddhism teaches. Which are the-- the simplicity aspect of the teaching has be also taught in the what's called \"Hinayana Buddhist countries\", \"Southern Buddhist countries\", such as like Thailand and Ceylon and Burma and so on. And the understanding of state of mind or the philosophical aspect of the practice of meditation has been developed in certain Mahayana Buddhist countries, like Japan and China and so forth. And the last stage of the tantric yana or the tantra practice of Buddhism has partially developed in Japan with the Shingon Buddhism, but the complete tantric teaching is only preserved in Tibet.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146096/file/269300#t=480.0,547.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146096/file/269300/transcript/78137/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 1]\r\n\r\n\r\nINTERVIEWER: What is the cause of anxiety? There is a-- on the board downstairs, I noticed there was a talk which you were going to give, or maybe you've given it because I didn't see the date, but it was on \"neurotic speed\", which is a fantastic couple of terms put together. [Laughter; laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Oh, is that funny?\r\n\r\n\r\nKUNGA DAWA RICHARD ARTHURE: Anxiety seems to be precisely connected with ego's attempt to secure its ground. I mean ego sees everything in terms of its territory, that you want to expand your territory and you want to maintain it. So anything that happens which doesn't easily fit into that pattern is regarded as a threat. So that immediately creates anxiety. You feel somebody is invading your territory.\r\n\r\n\r\nINTERVIEWER: Okay, yeah, mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nJEREMY HAYWARD: I would say, also, that there's a kind of anxiety which is almost there all the time in a sense, and that it comes from not being sure. Which is related to the territory in a sense that you're constantly coming up against the edges of your territory -- which are uncertain. And it's this uncertainty that leads to the anxiety.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146096/file/269300#t=547.0,644.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146096/file/269300/transcript/78137/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 2]\r\n\r\n\r\nINTERVIEWER: Right. And then so the next thing is *how* does one begin to relieve himself, herself, of this almost continual -- at least in this country I would think -- state of anxiety, you know? The beginnings, you know, and I guess whether in terms of techniques or meditation or whatever, that they begin to, you know, to have this start dropping away. Since I would assume -- at least it's always been my basic understanding for some time -- that at least one of, if not *the* goal of all, religious work, spiritual work, is peace of mind. At least that's...\r\n\r\n\r\nKUNGA DAWA RICHARD ARTHURE: Trouble is if you approach from that angle, you regard anxiety as a kind of enemy, you know, and then--\r\n\r\n\r\nINTERVIEWER: Right.\r\n\r\n\r\nKUNGA DAWA RICHARD ARTHURE: -- you want something which acts as a sedative to counteract it, which automatically continues the conflict. I mean that's a conflicting situation because you've got something -- anxiety -- which you want to get rid of so you create a struggle. So it seems that the way of dealing with the situation can't start from the end of trying to have a goal of just calming yourself. So it's more a question of, you know, seeing the simplicity of the moment, I mean in terms of meditation practice, or just being in the present, rather than trying to impose something peaceful and trying to suppress the, you know, anxiety content of thoughts.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146096/file/269300#t=644.0,763.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146096/file/269300/transcript/78137/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 3]\r\n\r\n\r\nINTERVIEWER: Yeah, I -- okay I might have phrased it wrong, because I didn't mean to imply that it was for a method of suppressing it. Because that's always the problem, that's always the question: how does a person have, you know, whatever it is that they don't like because like you know, people are going to -- I would think -- want to change, until there's something about themselves, there's something happening that they don't like--\r\n\r\n\r\nJEREMY HAYWARD: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nINTERVIEWER: --and so they want to change. And you-- and-- but usually it ends up, whereas just like what you said, they're-- while they're trying to have it, really just-- they just want drop it off somewhere. Rather than dropping it on the ground and walking on it and leaving it, they shove it back down or suppress it, so that it's always going to be there underlying. So there-- this other whole thing, the question is, how do you get rid of it without suppressing it?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well it seem that a question of giving up hope of getting rid of it. You see otherwise it breeds again and again. So giving up hope, in this case, being extremely positive step. And there is some working basis on that rather than abandon it altogether and so therefore sort of trying to achieve something with the hope, something with the promise. Which automatically involves the-- a goal, according to what you wanted to achieve so that you are in fact sort of working with the prefabricated situation. So idea is, from that sense, hope in the sense of clinging. In other word the goal had become the path rather than goal is the target, so to speak.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146096/file/269300#t=763.0,898.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146096/file/269300/transcript/78137/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 4]\r\n\r\n\r\nINTERVIEWER: In the be -- I was looking through the Garuda [magazine], and the first piece in there was on materialism. And I was interested in how you view-- well let's start with this country, you know, America, and what is happening here in terms of like it's, you know, the materialism here and where it's going. And also whether you view this materialism as an evolutionary step, as something which has to be, you know like in [Pierre] Teilhard de Chardin and his viewing of this, you know, technology as something which has to be-- and it seemed to be in contradiction with what you were saying. That's why I'm going into this, as something which is necessary to be *gone through*, so that like, okay, that problems on this level, on this gross material level, are more or less put aside so that then mankind as a whole will have more time to devote to, you know, like spiritual evolution so they can finish on this. Like okay, so whether you view it in that way, or whether you view it as some sort of, like if-- if I-- anti-evolutionary step or whatever. But anyhow, how you, you know, you view the, you know, the United States and the materialistic thing, you know as it is.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nINTERVIEWER: And where you think it's going?\r\n\r\n\r\nVAJRA REGENT OSEL TENDZIN: [then called Thomas Rich] I don't think that particularly the attitude that we have to go through a materialistic phase in order to get to the spiritual phase, really fits in this case. I mean that seems to reinforce materialism. Materialism being that desire to protect and preserve. And in this case we're more or less concerned with working with what we've got. And if it is technological society and materialistic in the sense of, \"Oh, America has all these kinds of things, you know, gadgets and things like that,\" well then we've got to use that as part of our practice -- not look for some kind of destination which is beyond that. Which again sets up the dichotomy, like spirituality is over there somewhere, it's at the end of the rainbow. But what we are now is like kind of something gross, which we have to get rid of.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: The idea is being that having things, lots of things and gadgets, are not purely regarded as material*ism*. And the \"ism\" comes from the psychological attitude to it. So if one is able to relate with the psychological aspect of materialism, then one learn to use it as a stepping stone, and its become self-existing freedom from that sense, rather than warfare and trying to get away from it or so forth. So the idea is being the-- and almost to see the irony of it. That's what is been written in that book, in the magazine Garuda, \"Transcending Materialism\" [article], in the sense of-- transcending in the sense of not imprisoned by its own limitations but looking the totality of it. So in other word, it's not as transcending sense of getting rid of it, but using it as food or fuel to work with -- otherwise we have nothing to work on.\r\n\r\n\r\nKUNGA DAWA RICHARD ARTHURE: Yeah, I mean, and there's nothing particularly wrong in having possessions, but being possessive creates a neurotic setup. So when one is tries to work, you know, with that aspect.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146096/file/269300#t=898.0,1148.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146096/file/269300/transcript/78137/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 5]\r\n\r\n\r\nINTERVIEWER: In that same article you talk briefly about spiritual materialism, and there are a lot of people that who are-- they're looking for something else, is the easiest way I guess, to say it, in what's happening in their lives or present. Or a lot of people decided two or three or five or ten years ago, and ever since then they've been doing, you know, something. And if-- could you explain maybe the idea of what is meant by spiritual materialism, and maybe then relate that to spiritual development in its true, you know, true sense or whatever--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nINTERVIEWER: --you would say.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nJEREMY HAYWARD: Well, I think spiritual materialism is applying very much the same psychological attitude of possessiveness and increasing myself, making myself bigger person, a better person, a more beautiful person, a more-- even a more open person. I make myself a more open person by some technique or following some practice. So it's just the same attitude of mind involved there as making myself a better person by having more land or more possessions. And it seems to be very easy to slip into that, if one just goes into the practices or the search, or whatever it is one is going into, without understanding the nature of the ego and the realizing that the ego is involved right there in that search. So that's forgetting about the ego and going out and trying to find something else, trying to be more beautiful, or trying to push aside what one doesn't like in oneself; instead of acknowledging the ego and saying it's here and preceding from that.\r\n\r\n\r\nKUNGA DAWA RICHARD ARTHURE: It's like trying to become a millionaire, you know, spiritually, or wanting to attain nirvana, enlightenment. It becomes a very heavy trip, you know, wanting to gain something. Which I mean is another way of reinforcing ego's game, applying ego's game to spiritual thing, which is very easy way of self-deception, very easy to slip [laughing] into that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146096/file/269300#t=1148.0,1320.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146096/file/269300/transcript/78137/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 6]\r\n\r\n\r\nINTERVIEWER: Right, so it all-- I mean it's always coming back to the question of how, because there must be a way--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [Laughs; laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nINTERVIEWER: --to avoid this. [Laughter] And especially for-- like with so many people, probably more in *this* country than elsewhere, who have through, like, psychedelics in the early sixties -- I recall, when I was first introduced to them -- when things like LSD were very, you know, they-- it was-- when you're talking about LSD you're talking about--\r\n\r\n\r\nVAJRA REGENT OSEL TENDZIN: Right.\r\n\r\n\r\nINTERVIEWER: --LSD rather than something else. Because I have a very good idea that most of the younger people who started taking LSD, what they believed to be LSD, two or three years ago, have never come anywhere near it. Because their experiences are vastly different than from what was happening, people, that were doing it earlier. For like Ram Dass, for example, and all of *that*, you know, particular movement.\r\n\r\n\r\nAnd it was only -- I think that in my mind, that's what I can relate most easily to in terms of like how this quest or whatever, spiritual consciousness, has been awakened. That's how it got-- originally got awakened. And it seems to, in some cases, in some individuals, be able to open up, you know, like all of that. And so then after a while everybody realizes that well you just can't keep, you know, that there's for some reason it's not working out exactly right. So, you know like, people stopped doing drugs, and *then* you know, so that it's very-- that puts every-- it puts a person in a weird state of mind having like *been*, so to speak, to the place where they're trying to get to again, you know. And I realize I'm talking in terms of--\r\n\r\n\r\nKUNGA DAWA RICHARD ARTHURE: [INAUDIBLE WORDS] to--\r\n\r\n\r\nINTERVIEWER: Yeah. Of, you know setting up this dualism, but it -- when you're talking it doesn't seem that there's anything else to do, it naturally comes. So I guess there's a question in there about what your idea are about drugs, psychedelics; I guess in particular in their value -- if any -- in this whole thing of spiritual development, where they fit, so to speak. Also, I was wondering, I -- although I have an idea -- of whether in Tibetan Buddhist tradition such things as psychedelics or various drugs are used ever, or to what extent.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well it seems that I would say the development of a search for the \"other\" or search for the \"something\" had [laughs] come about because things are not quite right. And one constantly trying to find way to correct that wrongness by finding out something either more exciting or more colorful or more richer or more peaceful or more active or whatever.\r\n\r\n\r\nAnd I think the development of-- sort of evolutionary development of those search is very well represented by things developed in the West -- particularly like LSD, for instance, is one of the almost you could say, unique example of it. And it certainly makes landmark and it certainly makes important point. But that doesn't necessarily means that is *the* saving grace, so to speak. Particularly psychedelics experience are based on trying to intensify our-- the experiences. And experiences in the ordinary level being that trying to see the \"other\" much more greater and more magnified way, and others also being not separate entity, but one part of yourself at the same time. So consequently that LSD experience, people have hallucinations or messages or glimpse of all kinds of experience are the epitome of confusion that are coming about and magnifying it. So from that point of view, it has a value of seeing the super confusion in its own fullest state. Rather than I would regard it as something beyond that, or beyond freedom of-- I mean the freedom in the sense of transcending the speed or the push or the anger or the poverty, whatever. So it is still a demonstration of poverty, from that sense. And it is still a sign of dissatisfaction. But dissatisfaction comes at its full strength, it becomes somewhat occupation. And it's something very dissatisfying-- something very satisfying about it, because you saw the dissatisfaction in its fullest sense. So I think it's sort of purely by chance a lot of people found that there is something in it. A lot of people just took psychedelic drugs as finding something interesting, and a lot of people also took because they really are seriously interested in finding out. But I wouldn't say that's the correct method or the real way of looking it, but that's one of the expressions of dissatisfaction or pain.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146096/file/269300#t=1320.0,1749.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146096/file/269300/transcript/78137/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 7]\r\n\r\n\r\nINTERVIEWER: Do you have any particular suggestions, say, for the majority probably of people who be looking for something, but yet they don't have access to say, someone like yourself, a teacher like yourself, or any, you know, of the other you-- teachers of various traditions or whatever. Say like a lot of people in the Midwest, in some little town or wherever, and there's not a teacher there for them to go to because most of the teachers seem to be, you know, situated where most of the people are, which you know, in large cities or wherever. So there's really no one that they can go to, you know, perhaps at the time, and yet they want to start something. So in terms of books or practices or whatever, some sort of like, you know, beginning advice, you might say.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think that the whole approach is that you can't get a prescription by somebody else. And because these prescriptions are given by outsider other than yourself, are foreign element. So we would have-- you might have superficial effect of them, but since we are not giving birth within ourselves in this-- if this the case, then this effects will run out. And you might get kick out of something for-- it might last hopefully three or four years but then suddenly, only thing you get is a hangover after that, and resentment that you been cheated or whatever. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nI think situation like you described in a remote areas, people have no teachers or no guiding lines, yet if they are open to wanting to learn something. And that's the perfect example. That the reason why they want to learn is they are experiencing a sense of suffering, sense of dissatisfaction, some kind of question. And these are not empty questions or just purely an unproductive pain, but questions contains answers by themselves. So, they in other word, are pregnant questions. And dissatisfaction is energy rather than just purely poverty kind of thing. So I mean it-- this is exactly the same as how Buddha and Christ begun themselves, you know. They were-- Buddha was not Buddhist or Christ were not Christian, and they begun themselves that way. So I think if we are willing to work with ourselves and willing to find out, rather than purely relying on informations alone so that's it-- that is possible. And for that matter, people don't have to particularly belong to religious order or tradition particularly at all, and they could develop themselves.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146096/file/269300#t=1749.0,1984.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146096/file/269300/transcript/78137/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 8]\r\n\r\n\r\nINTERVIEWER: Then what-- thing that follows in my mind from that is, what is the purpose or function or role of a teacher or guru? And also not only his function but in-- but the relationship between teachers and student?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well that's the same thing is what we said already in a way, that to inspire them, they are lonely people, and make friends with their aloneness. And in other word, to inspire them that they have their own seed in them and they are worthy, they are not punished or rejected. So the function of teacher is to inspire them, they could work on themselves, as teacher himself worked on himself. Which is example. So that teachings become more of confirmation, and teachers become example that you could work on yourself as well. So in other word if teacher becomes a kind of a father figure or savior, then effect on the student is that students weakened their inspiration, their sense of individual dignity, so to speak. So they feel they are stupid person, they have no way out, or knowing anything, so they consequently have to ask somebody else who is better than themselves. And if that become constantly the feeding process like that, then you become perpetual infant and you have no way of growing, developing, or helping other people for that matter at all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146096/file/269300#t=1984.0,2109.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146096/file/269300/transcript/78137/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 9]\r\n\r\n\r\nINTERVIEWER: Most people I think, here in America, have very probably rigid ideas or conceptions of what a \"holy man\" is so to speak. Like most of them think in terms of-- well, like outer manifestations like clothing, you know -- robes, beards, very long hair, celibacy, and so on and so forth. And I know-- well now I-- because for me-- from other people who have been here or are friends have and so forth, that -- and also from seeing you and seeing a big pile of comic books in the corner by your bed, [laughter] and that you drink a lot and smoke a lot -- that you hardly at all would fit like most people's idea of, you know like, the \"holy man\" type of figure. So like I-- I'm really interested [laughter] and have been in-- for first of all, I'm-- well I'm extremely happy because I like to drink beer a lot. And many people would say, I suppose, that, \"Well, that the idea of all of this work and so forth is to clear your mind.\" So you might say that in-- just for an example, probably those words might be as good as any. But then they would say, \"Well, if you are doing all of this, but when you drink it just fogs your mind up.\" So I-- well how does-- how do those two things fit together? That might be one question.\r\n\r\n\r\nAnd the other that I'm really interested in is, how, in what ways you have had to adopt your teaching, the training that you went through, and the Tibetan psychology or approach to teaching, and how it's been adopted and how you keep adopting it to the Western mind, the transformation.\r\n\r\n\r\nAnd also -- we'll throw it all in the same question, maybe we could [laughter] see what happens -- you-- or any comments that you might have on a personal changes within yourself of like your growing up in Tibet, and then going into this strange culture that we're all in now, America. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I suppose the-- as regard to myself, is that the attitude of trying to relate with my students or people involved with here as an eye-level person they could communicate, rather than that I am beyond them and something unreachable. And that lifestyle, constant teaching or constant working or whatever that I might involve, is I feel a demonstration. And there seem to be two way of approaching people into a spiritual way. I-- the one is the sort of awe them by your colorfulness and by your holy man-like thing. So that even you don't have to say anything word at all, but they automatically get good vibrations from them and they supposedly had answers, questions be answered. The other one is just sort of camouflage approach. That you be just one of them, hang around with them and be with them, but communicate to them -- somewhat that teaching becomes more readily acceptable, more readily valuable to them. So in other word the teaching doesn't become something extraordinary or magical but it is somewhat workable situation.\r\n\r\n\r\nAnd I would say that I have-- my personal life had to tremendously changed having come to this country, but somehow the work hasn't been changed at all. In fact more intensified, in the sense that in Tibet, that your approaches are already developed and you don't have to question them; but in the West, or world outside Tibet, that when you're trying to teach to people, that you have to think as though you are outsider and trying to give their point of view of the teaching, so that teaching becomes more readily acceptable to people, not distorting the essence. Because the essence does not contain particularly dogma of anything at all, it's just purely that relating with the basic patterns of human mind or whatever life situation.\r\n\r\n\r\nSo I think-- I feel that this is very important role, that present the teaching as a workable situation, rather than they have to physically have to change immediately or adopt a new custom, new tradition. So the idea is being that my work is not particularly present Tibetan version of Buddhism, but present the Buddhism *as it is*. And in other word, trying to-- in order to maintain the teachings, or in order to make the teachings alive or up to date, that they should be American Buddhism rather than Tibetan Buddhism or Japanese Buddhism. And I have tremendous confidence also in some of my students. Quite number of them have been able to come a long way from where they were before, and that they would be able to carry on the teaching after I died or whatever.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146096/file/269300#t=2109.0,2548.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146096/file/269300/transcript/78137/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 10]\r\n\r\n\r\nINTERVIEWER: Okay, I -- maybe we can go into a little more into the idea of models in-- and structures, you know, of being, you know; of living, of like, not only action, but thought and value or non-value or of these-- of structures, you know, patterns of thought. Like for example -- have I got an example? Example would, say, be our traditional notions of just relationships -- for example, male-female relationships you know, lover relationships, husband-wife relationships, like the ideas or the ideals of the roles and so forth. And you know, like, the changing that keeps happening all over the world and which probably started here you know, the sexual revolution or whatever you want, you know, different people might call it. And your idea of the value -- if there is a value, if you think there is a value to a traditional type of structure.\r\n\r\n\r\nAnd I guess probably the question that involve-- well since I have it, and most people have always. Because usually when you get into the question of spiritual work, the first thing that scares most people away is that there is usually some, like, brahmacharya or whatever. There's usually that thing thrown in. So that gets into the idea of the relationship of sex to spiritual work. And so you know, that's... whatever you can do with that gob I just threw [laughter; laughs] your way.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I suppose any kind of communication or any kind of relationship, whether it is a sexual one or whether it is a friendship one or whatever, same thing. That from the Buddhist point of view of communication, is that basically idea of generosity, being generous without expectation, and opening, and sort of lay out your territory and let others help themselves on my territory without demand. So any kind of communication needs that greatly. And that becomes very important part. And the discipline that goes along with that, such as like as you mentioned brahmacharya and other rules we might adopt, which are equally valid. Because that in many cases in a situation of communication, that it becomes indulgency rather than communication. Indulgency in the sense of complicating further, and it overcrowds your sense of generosity. So it's not so much of giving up anything in terms of brahmacharya, but it's question of being simple, and being completely simple so that there's no areas of possible confusion could occur. And so in other word, if we looked a different way, of like brahmacharya for instance, that complete communication without distortion is also brahmacharya of its own type. The brahmacharya: \"brahma\" means \"complete\"; \"charya\" means \"action\", so you haven't lost anything, everything is hundred percent, completely done, totally done, totally related. So if there's any mysterious corners that you haven't surrendered, that you haven't opened, then it becomes abrahmacharya. So in the sense of that complete generosity or complete openness become a spiritual way, and because of that such disciplines like we impose to students, my students here, demandatory [sic] meditation practices and long retreats and things like that, are also way of simplifying rather than introducing new thing. But certain day, certain hours, you just do nothing, and complete simplify so you could be total person rather than partial person. And such discipline seem to be necessary. But that -- the requirements of discipline comes mutual agreement between the student and the teacher, rather than the teacher is completely imposing on the student.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146096/file/269300#t=2548.0,2940.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146096/file/269300/transcript/78137/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 11]\r\n\r\n\r\nINTERVIEWER: Something I'm interested and I -- you might have answered it and might have gone right past me -- but the idea of-- and the question is it-- I mean and I at times have had this, you know, probably insane notion, that really you could do whatever you wanted to do. That there is nothing is really required, in terms of like specific actions, you know \"do this\" or \"don't do that,\" in order to achieve whatever it is. For example, you know I don't know if you covered it up, but okay, and you drink and you smoke, now which I-- which is fantastic, my point of view. And most people would say, as I said before, \"Well you know, drinking is not good for spiritual growth.\" So can you in some way comment on that? [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well it's question of-- I suppose largely that we are up against here are kind of conventionality, from the range of sort of folklore conventionality up to the piety area, which is very touchy. But if you approach it from this way, that whole thing is based on concepts. Certain concepts make you stable, seemingly, and certain concepts make you unstable. And it has been taught, generally, that concepts are worthwhile. You have to keep it, you have to cherish and treasure it. But from other point of view, that whenever there's indoctrination or concept involved, that becomes reality to us in many ways. We been told that drinking is bad, therefore we do feel that way. Like we been told that having \"darshan\" of such and such will get you high and you accept that you do get high. And that kind of lingering on and on concept becomes very dangerous and not particularly helpful--\r\n\r\n\r\n[GAP IN AUDIO]\r\n\r\n\r\n--freak out. [Laughs; laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSo, I suppose the question here is that particular my lifestyle is a sort of relationship to myself. And there's dogma involved-- there's *no* dogma involved with that. And if anything is regarded as anti-spirituality, then it is a matter of relationship with your own concept, and we have to look into it with how much we are deceiving ourselves either ways -- by indulgency or by giving up, whatever, smoking or drinking or whatever. And I mean that's the whole idea of lonely journey, that individuals have their own style, and their own basic make-up. And if that is regarded as source of spirituality, then nothing can destroy the spirituality. Spiritual essence is regarded as eternity or something that can't be harmed by temporary impulse. But there may be apparent or temporary, you know, dullness or insanity of some kind, it is possible with how much we hang up in a concept and ideas. That lot of students of mine don't drink, don't smoke, and some of them do drink, do smoke. And they have their lifestyle. And idea is not being that my students should be replica of me particularly at all. Their innate nature should be preserved and kept as they are, as well as myself. That I don't become a Tibetan teacher who is a superstar, necessarily at all. I've my own lifestyle, and that's also my innate style, nature, which nobody can copy it, nor does the others could reform into anything else.\r\n\r\n\r\nSo it's question of sense of freedom of someone, the sense of respect in relation to both teacher and student. They both have mutual respect. On those basis of mutual respect, the relationship is developed and learnings takes place.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146096/file/269300#t=2940.0,3373.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146096/file/269300/transcript/78137/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 12]\r\n\r\n\r\nINTERVIEWER: Maybe you could-- we could, if you could continue, just think about each person having their own particular style and with their own particular nature and talk a bit about the five buddha nat-- you know, buddha natures. And how -- and this is an area of Buddhism that I know very little about -- of how the psychology of Buddhist teaching allows people to develop, you know, in whichever way it is their nature to, rather, you know... And transforming, you know, like what might be Jeremy mentioned like anger, you know, could be one, you know, member of one particular family. And how that in the Buddhist teaching, it's not something which we tend to discard, but to take that particular energy, which is, you know manifested in anger and transmute or transform it into a higher type of energy.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [Whispers] Jeremy, would you like to say something.\r\n\r\n\r\nJEREMY HAYWARD: Well I wouldn't say, exactly, transform it into a \"higher type of energy--\"\r\n\r\n\r\nINTERVIEWER: Okay.\r\n\r\n\r\nJEREMY HAYWARD: --so much as... take anger, for instance. Anger is basically energy, which is neither good nor bad; it's an energy which exists. And the problem is when one views it as from the point of view of \"myself\"; other words, when the energy is directed in relation to a center, so that I see this energy and I regard it as being \"my anger and I am angry\" rather than just pure abstract energy. So that when this energy which expresses or which is called \"anger,\" is released from being constantly directed towards or away from the center, it doesn't present a problem.\r\n\r\n\r\nKUNGA DAWA RICHARD ARTHURE: Yeah, I think anger always contains tremendous amount of intelligence of a certain kind that-- in other words, if we don't start off by regarding there's something purely destructive that we want to get rid of, a sort completely black area. There's much more creative possibility. Because I mean when you're angry, it's very often because you get involved with seeing things with incredible kind of sharpness. I mean so much so that it becomes terribly irritating. I mean that's where it really becomes neurotic [laughs] because the outlines are so sharp of situations, and you become aware also of implications of things, and such sharpness that you feel there's an actual threat to you.\r\n\r\n\r\nWhereas if you manage to not regard it as \"my territory is being invaded,\" and seeing it as-- in that point of view, then the sharpness could still be there, which is the basic quality of-- underlying quality of it, the energy and the sharpness. And if the kind of irritation and defensiveness becomes less heavy, then there could be something very positive in it, of seeing it very sharply and accurately, and maybe tremendous energy in it of communication. But not necessarily directed to defending \"myself\" against \"my enemy\" who's threatening \"me\". So there's possibility of a kind of communication, very sharp, accurate. Cutting through, but not necessarily destructive in the usual sense of being defensive.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146096/file/269300#t=3373.0,3680.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146096/file/269300/transcript/78137/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 13]\r\n\r\n\r\nINTERVIEWER: Well what do you feel is the relationship, like between two concepts, or two things which are always mentioned, it seems together in any type of spiritual work? Which is: will on the one hand, and surrender on the other.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well \"will\" is a very vague word, almost comparable to word \"love\".\r\n\r\n\r\nINTERVIEWER: Well, I was getting to that. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: In the sense that it is either will of belief in something, and you be pushed, you be made to leap by the belief, and you take certain measure towards it. And that's more like blind faith, rather than intelligent one. So in other word from that point of view, the will becomes you're trying to achieve some particular purpose for your benefit in order to enrich your ego. But there's another way of looking at is *leap*, in which case that you have somewhere to leap from. Which is, we could say, it is a non-ego style, that you pull your carpet underneath your feet by yourself. So that [laughter] the goal-oriented deceptions have to be given up first. Which is more likely break-through. Which is also a surrendering from that sense or giving, offering. Because that's the ultimate gesture of egolessness as well as acknowledging the rugged quality of ego at the same time without being embarrassed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146096/file/269300#t=3680.0,3863.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146096/file/269300/transcript/78137/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 14]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: I'll ask a question. Someone wanted me to ask just whether or not it is possible to, let's say, circumvent or really drop off or get ahead of, so to speak, karma. That is, whether it is possible to actually cut so many years, you know, or lifetimes or whatever, off of a person's karma. Also maybe you'd want to speak a little bit, you know, about karma, you know, about the Buddhist view. Because like, some people, you know, some doctrines consider, you know like, the whole thing of karma, reincarnation, you know, in terms of an individual's soul, which is go through a number of reincarnations and it is the karma of the soul which is worked out, you know during different lifetimes. And my understanding is is that is not, you know. So if you could talk a little bit about the way you view the ideas of reincarnation and karma, and then relate that to the question about whether it's possible to cut off-- cut it off and drop it.\r\n\r\n\r\nKUNGA DAWA RICHARD ARTHURE: Well, I don't think you can circumvent karma.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Yeah, that was a wrong word.\r\n\r\n\r\nKUNGA DAWA RICHARD ARTHURE: [Laughs] But I mean the idea of karma is-- I mean literally it means \"action\", you know in Sanskrit. But the idea of it is that there's some kind of motivation behind it which automatically produces a result and there's no escape from that. I mean once you-- you've sown the seed, that you want to get something out of the situation, and you act accordingly, I mean automatically that there's some result, some feedback, is going to come from that automatically. And there's no possibility of avoiding that. But of course *if* there's some kind of action which has no motive behind it, where you're not trying to get anything out of the situation at all, then you're not sowing any seed of karma. There wouldn't be any feedback from it. I mean if you stepped on an insect accidentally, you're not doing it because you feel irritation against the insect -- you didn't even see it's there -- I mean that doesn't produce any sort of kind karmic feedback. And if you know in the practice of meditation there's a moment of kind of gap where you're not caught up in the habitual, you know, thought pattern that's been created by your past karma, and you're not sowing further karmic seeds by trying to achieve something, there's just kind of gap, maybe [laughing] quite momentary, I mean maybe it could be extended. Then at that point, you are not also sowing any further seed of karma.\r\n\r\n\r\nAs far as the idea of a \"soul\", I mean there's no particular belief in an unchanging entity that goes through a series of lives, like you know, packaged in an envelope or something. But rather since there is this karmic force of motivated action producing results, there's situation constantly changing, constantly changing. Rinpoche often uses the analogy of a chess game where your present position is conditioned by your past moves. But what happens next is entirely up to you at that particular moment, the present.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Okay, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That should be it [INAUDIBLE WORDS] --\r\n\r\n\r\nINTERVIEWER: Should we end?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nINTERVIEWER: Okay.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146096/file/269300#t=3863.0,4110.377"}]},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146096/file/269300/transcript/78138","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["19720822VCTR2-Captions [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146096/file/269300/transcript/78138/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ARP SLATE: This is the\nVenerable Chogyam\nTrungpa Rinpoche.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146096/file/269300#t=0.71,4.73"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146096/file/269300/transcript/78138/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Interview with Chogyam Trungpa,\nheld at Tail of the Tiger,\nVermont.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146096/file/269300#t=4.73,9.06"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/146096/file/269300/transcript/78138/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This is a single talk,\nheld August 22nd, 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