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Describes beginning to see world as \"magical\", with \"sense of strength and wholesomeness.\"  In turn this generates fearlessness, and desire to contribute something to the phenomenal world, which in turn gives something back to you. Sense of enjoyment, less uncertainty. Describes the \"pattern\" that comes into view.  Ground as one's non-existence, groundlessness as undergirding everything, even energies of five buddha families, mandala principle. This talk describes a very positive and practically instructive way of experiencing the world.  Interesting Q\u0026amp;A discusses what \"alaya\" is; the progression from hinayana to vajrayana."]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication"]},"value":{"en":["BOOK: Orderly Chaos","BOOK: Collected Works Vol 06"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication Details"]},"value":{"en":["BOOK: ORDERLY CHAOS: Part 2, Chapter 6: Sambhogakaya Buddha\u003cbr\u003e\n-- from \u003ca href=\"https://www.shambhala.com/orderly-chaos-1128.html\"\u003eShambhala Publications\u003c/a\u003e\n\nBOOK: COLLECTED WORKS VOL 6 (in contained book ORDERLY CHAOS)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Transcription Credits"]},"value":{"en":["Jun 30 2023 to Apr 24 2024\nTranscribing: Ella Milligan\nChecking: Blaire Martin\nFinal Proof: Ruth Veleta\nOther Contributors: Lynn Friedman, Warner Dick"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["© Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced"]}},{"label":{"en":["Year"]},"value":{"en":["1974"]}}],"summary":{"en":["The final talk distills some of the main subjects of the seminar, while introducing further details about what arises in terms of perception out of the experience of unconditioned awareness.  Describes beginning to see world as \"magical\", with \"sense of strength and wholesomeness.\"  In turn this generates fearlessness, and desire to contribute something to the phenomenal world, which in turn gives something back to you. Sense of enjoyment, less uncertainty. Describes the \"pattern\" that comes into view.  Ground as one's non-existence, groundlessness as undergirding everything, even energies of five buddha families, mandala principle. This talk describes a very positive and practically instructive way of experiencing the world.  Interesting Q\u0026amp;A discusses what \"alaya\" is; the progression from hinayana to vajrayana."]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["© Diana J. 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Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]\r\n\r\n\r\nARP SLATE: This is the Venerable Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, seminar entitled Mandala of the Five Buddha Families, held at Karme Choling, Vermont. This is talk number six, December 27th, 1974. This is an ARP digital remaster made June 2007.\r\n\r\n\r\nORIGINAL SLATE: The following is talk six of The Mandala of the Five Buddha Families seminar given at Karme Choling.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154714/file/283813#t=0.0,25.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154714/file/283813/transcript/82213/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: MAIN TALK]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: As conclusion to what we have gone through in this particular subject, I think there are two basic points: that is the state of awareness to practice of meditation and a state of appreciation which goes with it. Two types of principles. That awareness would be able to perceive the workings of phenomenal world as five buddha principle and mandala setup. And appreciation brings the sense of understanding of magic, magical aspect.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154714/file/283813#t=25.0,98.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154714/file/283813/transcript/82213/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And awareness is, this point, an unconditional awareness that we have discussed already. It's awareness without purpose and goal, aim. And from that awareness there's some kind of state of fearless begin to arise, and that through that fearlessness that workings of phenomena are self-existing magic. This case magic is not such conjuring up demons or tricks that been played, but magic in a sense of that phenomenal world does possess a sense of enormous health and strength and wholesomeness. And from that strength and sense of wholesomeness that the person is able to nourish itself, himself, and also that the person is also able to contribute to the phenomenal world further nourishment at the same time. So it's not one-way journey but it's two-way exchange.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154714/file/283813#t=98.0,206.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154714/file/283813/transcript/82213/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Again, from that exchange of nourishment, basically which is sanity and a sense of fearless, brings again the state of awareness back, so there is a constant circle of exchange takes place, and becomes enjoyable in some sense. Not particularly one enters into euphoric state of anything particularly, but basically becomes enjoyable because that the sharp edges, which is dulled, and uncertainty begin to dissolve. Which brings the almost we could say a supernatural quality or the unexpected excitement, some sense. And one is able to mold such world into a pattern, not from a point of view of desire and attachment and anxiety, but from a point of view of sort of life and fearless of death.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154714/file/283813#t=206.0,313.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154714/file/283813/transcript/82213/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And whole thing takes places on the basis of, as we talked about earlier, on the empty-heartedness. That you don't exist, and the energy doesn't exist, and the phenomenal world doesn't exist, therefore everything does. [Laughs; laughter] And there is an enormous magical quality about that. And it is completely lucid but at the same time tangible in some sense because there is texture, absence of texture, there is-- there's a sense of journey, and there's a sense of discrimination, and there is a sense of aggression and passion and everything. But it seems that everything operate on the level of no ground. Which makes the whole operation ideal, so to speak. Which is the traditional term of sambhogakaya buddha, which is manifestation of energy which operates on the level of joy, level of enjoyment. In some sense we could say it's sort of level of transcendental indulgency of some kind that makes life continuous in some sense, but not exactly eternal in a sense of like brick wall that is been extended from one end of the world to another end of the world. It wouldn't be as solid as that but there would be some continuity, like a flowing brook, that the discontinuity becomes continuity and it sort of dances as you go on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154714/file/283813#t=313.0,470.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154714/file/283813/transcript/82213/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, I think that's the basic point of the way to view the mandala and the five buddha principle, is that the positive world -- not particularly being in the sense of love-and-light fashion of a simpleminded approach, but positive world in a sense that world is workable and one can relate with such world because everything is very visible, extraordinarily visible and very vivid. And therefore that dispels the hesitation and fear. And that you can remold, you can reshape the clouds, and you can ride on the rainbow. And impossibilities could be achieved by not achieving. And I think the point is not so much of that we have made progress or switch from somewhere, but it's discovery that such experience does exist, such setup does exist all the time, and therefore it is just a discovery rather than progress.\r\n\r\n\r\nAnd I think that's it all about, more or less, terms of final conclusion. You're welcome to ask questions.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154714/file/283813#t=470.0,614.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154714/file/283813/transcript/82213/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 1]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: In describing before what you were talking about in terms of the tantrics making this all boundary, it seemed to undermine the basic Buddhist idea in the sense of the arising and falling. Is that so? I mean-- and also that the tantra's idea of continuity or maybe just indestructible energy in that it's always there. Is there some change there in perception as opposed to the rising and falling?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I think that point is that at the beginning, in the hinayana level, that you become homeless, \"anagarika.\" You give up home, you give up your possessions, and you give up your power, wealth, whatever. You renounce everything. And like the story of Naropa, that he include-- he gives up his intellect and everything. And then in the tantric practice the tantrikas repossess what's been given up in an entirely different way. That the homelessness is also being a householder. And giving up power becomes an acquisition of greater power. And from that point that the giving up or transcending the flow and setting one's boundary at discriminating awareness is another way of freedom, but freedom with the guts, so to speak. And there is-- more reality is involved rather than purely dwelling on the motivation alone. Which seem to exist in earlier stages of yanas, that your motivation is very important rather than what you actually experience. And often what you experience are regarded-- looked upon as something fishy and untrustworthy, and one comes back constantly, pull oneself back to the motivation and purify from that angle. But in the tantric sense that-- again, another twist is the motivation is just a concept, just shadow, and what actually experience away from the motivation becomes more important. So it's a different twist of repossessing the same thing in a more daring way. And the somehow boundary seem to be necessary -- in order to extend your boundary you have to have a boundary.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154714/file/283813#t=614.0,812.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154714/file/283813/transcript/82213/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 2]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: Would you say that the one flavor you were talking about is-- I mean when you say there is no permanence -- nothing’s permanent except impermanence or nothing's continuous except discontinuity -- that might tend to give a nihilistic, you know, feeling that's there nothing at all that has any qualities that retains. But is it in fact saying that actually relativity has quality that you get to know, or discontinuity has a certain style or feeling that's always there?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Definitely. In order to be discontinuous that you have to have strength to be one. Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: That discontinuity has a personality in a sense or a feeling?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, there is a definite texture, yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: That's always there. That's the one flavor?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm, yeah. I mean that's why the nonexistence spheres or realms such as like vajradhatu and dharmadhatus could be defined and they have name and they have experience, you know, there are levels which are tangible in some sense. And they could be the analogy of holding vajra is the shunyata experience could be handled.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154714/file/283813#t=812.0,907.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154714/file/283813/transcript/82213/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 2]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: In terms of the discussion of experience before, it sounded as though things sort of got clearer and sharper as one was more able to perceive unconditional reality. So that everything-- that was sort of a luminosity. That things became very clear and very [INAUDIBLE]. And at this point the sharp edges begin to dissolve? Is that a perceptual experience?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well the idea is that when you have-- the idea of luminosity is not so much to see great contrast particularly, terms of that more you see light that much darkness you see. Which is still that having mysterious corners there. That this point what we are talking about is there is no sharp edges anymore, there's no division anymore, and everything's without shadow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154714/file/283813#t=907.0,968.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154714/file/283813/transcript/82213/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 3]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: Does the-- what happens to the alaya experience, that you started the whole series of talks out with, at this level you're talking about now?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think they're disappeared somewhere on the way. [Laughter; laughs] Question is there's something to begin with, but there's nothing to end with.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154714/file/283813#t=968.0,1006.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154714/file/283813/transcript/82213/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 4]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: I was thinking of what you said in the last seminar about art being a hint of an experience rather than laying out the whole thing. I have a feeling that what you've been doing is just giving a hint, that you don't want to give us too much. Is there something in that? [Laughs; laughter] Like it's just-- it's so condensed. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I think that's the only way. Seems that descriptions wouldn't be complete. Even if you're trying to describe in great detail it would be just-- still, it would be a finger painting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154714/file/283813#t=1006.0,1058.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154714/file/283813/transcript/82213/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 5]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: Could you say something more about what you meant by reshaping and remolding?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Reshaping? Well that's a different kind of reshaping we are talking about. We are not talking about reshaping according to a model, which is from a reference point of ego or \"this\", but reshaping this case is exchange. Whenever there is more exchange with \"this\" and \"that\" and \"that\" and \"this\", and then if you can control the momentum because there's no one to control, there is no particular aim and object is involved, so therefore that you can steer the energy flow in a certain particular directions. Rather, you know, the idea of shape here is a direction rather than model, build on a certain particular model.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: What would be the basis of that directing then?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Itself, the direction themselves. There is no director, but the direction is in its own self-existing energy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154714/file/283813#t=1058.0,1149.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154714/file/283813/transcript/82213/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 6]\r\n\r\n\r\nROBIN KORNMAN: You said that the alaya went away at some point. But in your first talk you said that samsara and nirvana both have the same relationship to the alaya in that it was background. What do you mean by the alaya being background to nirvana as well as samsara?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I think it's the same thing. They both began at the same time.\r\n\r\n\r\nROBIN KORNMAN: Well that seems to make nirvana just another version of samsara.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I beg your pardon?\r\n\r\n\r\nROBIN KORNMAN: That seems to make nirvana just sort of a version of samsara.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well sure. That if there's no samsara there couldn't be nirvana or vice versa.\r\n\r\n\r\nROBIN KORNMAN: Well when you talk about awakening or coming to this state of empty-heartedness, is there any nirvana at that point?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well we are not talking about, you know, heart being hollow. We are talking about a nonexistent heart. So I don't think any definitions-- you know there's no reference point at that level of, there's no reference point there.\r\n\r\n\r\nROBIN KORNMAN: Well the reason I ask you the question was because I suspected the word \"nirvana\" meant something different from like \"bodhi\" or \"enlightenment\" or anything like that. But from your answer it seems like you're saying at that point the whole idea of path and there being awake and asleep no longer makes sense because there's no reference point.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. So be it. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nROBIN KORNMAN: Well it-- you know I still have this question. If you-- there's some sense of working back towards alaya as if there's going to be a more direct experience of the ground of confusion. And that's described as sort of a more immediate experience of ego, if I understand it correctly. You don't talk about anymore immediate experience of non-ego at that point.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No.\r\n\r\n\r\nROBIN KORNMAN: Well so it seems like the whole thing is completely ego, from alaya all the way up to five skandhas, eight consciousnesses. And so also from the alaya all the way up to nirvana is completely ego.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. [Laughter] I think because of that there's still reference point.\r\n\r\n\r\nROBIN KORNMAN: So to put it vulgarly, nirvana is a trip.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Sure. [Laughs; laughter] That's not new discovery. I think that's putting very politely.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154714/file/283813#t=1149.0,1383.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154714/file/283813/transcript/82213/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 7]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: I think I read someplace that-- did you say that the karma and the ratna, somewhat more-- have a stable-- more stable quality than padma and vajra, and that somehow that vajra-- too much vajra becomes karma and too much padma becomes ratna and too much ratna becomes buddha. [Laughter] I mean I-- somehow there's an impression that somehow that padma and vajra were more intangible than, I think if I remember correctly, than karma and ratna. I wonder if it would be helpful to get into that a little bit? [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think you said it. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: Well, why would karma and ratna be more solid than vajra? What-- why is vajra and padma more intangible, I mean?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: More?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: Intangible.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I think the idea of that if you look at the descriptions that we discussed yesterday, last night, that the vajra is final blossom of your consciousness, and the ratna is being one of the first, the beginning level, feeling. So it's question of earth-boundedness level, level of earth-boundedness. That I think they are necessary prerequisite, you know, to each other or necessary sort of existence for each other. Like you can-- you can't have a tree without a stump and you can't have a tree without leaves. All of them are necessary. But when wind blows the leaves move first, then the trunk of the tree. But you could say the trunk of tree is also moved by the wind from the gestures of the leaves. And for that matter you could say the whole earth is shaking. [Laughter] It's a relative reference.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154714/file/283813#t=1383.0,1560.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154714/file/283813/transcript/82213/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 8]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: In any given situation is there a particular way in which the energies present themselves, or are they always just there and we see them or, you know, as long as we're here we see them in different ways, or sense them in different ways?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think they present themselves in appropriate situations, naturally yes, that reacts according to the energies that is there. It's like-- very much like the elements reacting to situation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154714/file/283813#t=1560.0,1604.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154714/file/283813/transcript/82213/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 9]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: Could you say something about the relationship between the five buddha families and the six realms?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That requires another seminar [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: Oh. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: We save it for next time. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Unknown gesture or event;\r\n\r\n\r\nlaughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154714/file/283813#t=1604.0,1632.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154714/file/283813/transcript/82213/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 10]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: I sometimes hear ratna, buddha family ratna, referred to in a sense of pride, that that's one of the major characteristics of it. And I'm wondering if this pride is being proud of your own ignorance and your own stupidity. It's really-- being a really stubborn facet where you can actually see yourself doing this, but you're so proud of who you are or the way that you relate with the world that you actually almost complement your own ignorance.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I think you could say that, definitely. The point is that when you create a world of your own, that you begin to be very proud of your offshoot, and that tend to feed you back. And there is a slight hesitation and embarrassment at the same time, that trying to avoid looking at the root of that projection, that offshoot. 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