{"@context":"http://iiif.io/api/presentation/3/context.json","id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/iiif/dr2p55fg13/manifest","type":"Manifest","label":{"en":["1982-06-22: Naropa Institute: Dharma Poetics: Talk 1"]},"logo":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/209/original/cti-library-logo-blue-text.png?1672724952","metadata":[{"label":{"en":["Date"]},"value":{"en":["1982-06-22"]}},{"label":{"en":["Format"]},"value":{"en":["Audio"]}},{"label":{"en":["Location"]},"value":{"en":["Boulder, Colorado, USA"]}},{"label":{"en":["Event Type"]},"value":{"en":["Course"]}},{"label":{"en":["Seminar or Series Title"]},"value":{"en":["\u003ca href=\"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/playlists/244/show\"\u003eNaropa Institute: Poetics\u003c/a\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Talk Title"]},"value":{"en":["Dharma Poetics: Talk 1"]}},{"label":{"en":["Theme"]},"value":{"en":["Poetry and Poetics"]}},{"label":{"en":["Summary"]},"value":{"en":["Introduction to dharma poetics in broad sense of poetic view of living in the world, which is not restricted to poetry alone, but a Òcomprehensive realization of phenomenal worldÓ in all forms of expression. Dharma poetics as process of first purifying oneself through rejection of habitual confused patterns of mind, letting go of ego-orientated desires and beliefs. The universe then emerges more clearly and precisely, and poetic expression is possible. Traditional analogy of mirror that has been cleaned well and can reflect the world accurately. Trungpa Rinpoche composes a spontaneous poem. In Q\u0026amp;A with David Rome, poetry writing discussed as part of purification process, of working out one's obstacles and confusion. Trungpa Rinpoche requests Allen Ginsberg to compose spontaneous poem to end the talk."]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication"]},"value":{"en":["BOOK: Heart of the Buddha","BOOK: Collected Works Vol 03"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication Details"]},"value":{"en":["BOOK: THE HEART OF THE BUDDHA: Chapter 12: \"Dharma Poetics\" (edited to merge talks 1 and 3 from this Dharma Poetics class)\u003cbr\u003e\n-- from \u003ca href=\"https://www.shambhala.com/the-heart-of-the-buddha-725.html\"\u003eShambhala Publications\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\nBOOK: COLLECTED WORKS VOL 3 (in contained book THE HEART OF THE BUDDHA)\u003cbr\u003e\n-- from \u003ca href=\"https://www.shambhala.com/the-collected-works-of-chogyam-trungpa-384.html\"\u003eShambhala Publications\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\nOriginally published as \"Vajracarya on Dharma Poetics,\" Vajradhatu Sun 5, no. 2 (Dec 1982-Jan 1983)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Transcription Credits"]},"value":{"en":["Apr 01 2021 to May 18 2021 Transcribing: Sophie Perks Checking: Jessyca Goldstein Final Proof: Anne Seidlitz Other Contributors: Lynn Friedman, Warner Dick"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["© Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved. Not to be Distributed or Reproduced."]}},{"label":{"en":["Year"]},"value":{"en":["1982"]}}],"summary":{"en":["Introduction to dharma poetics in broad sense of poetic view of living in the world, which is not restricted to poetry alone, but a Òcomprehensive realization of phenomenal worldÓ in all forms of expression. Dharma poetics as process of first purifying oneself through rejection of habitual confused patterns of mind, letting go of ego-orientated desires and beliefs. The universe then emerges more clearly and precisely, and poetic expression is possible. Traditional analogy of mirror that has been cleaned well and can reflect the world accurately. Trungpa Rinpoche composes a spontaneous poem. In Q\u0026amp;A with David Rome, poetry writing discussed as part of purification process, of working out one's obstacles and confusion. Trungpa Rinpoche requests Allen Ginsberg to compose spontaneous poem to end the talk."]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["© Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved. Not to be Distributed or Reproduced."]}},"provider":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["Chogyam Trungpa Digital Library"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["Chogyam Trungpa Digital Library"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/209/original/cti-library-logo-blue-text.png?1672724952","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/168/746/small/Logo-Audio-Red.png?1666472386","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 1 - 19820622VCTR1024-Audio-Prod-CTIAutoRmstr-Access.mp3"]},"duration":2073.182,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/168/746/small/Logo-Audio-Red.png?1666472386","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746/content/1/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-cti.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/168/746/original/19820622VCTR1024-Audio-Prod-CTIAutoRmstr-Access.mp3?1666121799","type":"Audio","format":"audio/mpeg","duration":2073.182,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746/transcript/41076","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["19820622VCTR1-Transcript-Timed [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746/transcript/41076/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[19820622VCTR1 - Naropa Institute - Boulder - Dharma Poetics - Talk 1]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]\r\n\r\n\r\nCTI SLATE: This is the Venerable Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, Naropa Institute, Dharma Poetics class, Talk One, given in Boulder, Colorado, on June 22nd, 1982. This is a CTI auto-remaster made March 2021.\r\n\r\n\r\nORIGINAL SLATE: The following will be the Vajracharya the Venerable Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche. This will be the first talk of the Dharma Poetics Class given at Naropa Institute, July [sic: June] 22nd, 1982.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746#t=0.0,48.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746/transcript/41076/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: MAIN TALK]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. It is *morning*, that we could cheer up, and we could look at what we are going to study. Tonight's topic is being poetics, of the opening of Naropa Institute.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746#t=48.0,113.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746/transcript/41076/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The basic meaning of the poetics are not only written form. It takes visual, audio, feeling, and altogether. So we are not talking about writing in poetry alone, but we are talking about complete comprehensive realization of phenomenal world as they are. In other word, that we are not bound to one particular theme alone, of writing poetry on the paper. But we are here talking in terms of general poetry; poetic way of eating food, drinking tea, poetic way of seeing the world as they are, in other word, altogether. That is why it is called \"dharma poetics.\" \"Dharma\" -- how many people know word dharma? Can you raise your hands? People in the back could raise more hand, [laughter] further up -- okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746#t=113.0,275.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746/transcript/41076/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well \"dharma\", as you know, is taught by the Buddha. Namely, but \"dharma\" means \"norm\", or some form of existence in the experiencing reality properly; that is called dharma.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746#t=275.0,345.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746/transcript/41076/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tonight's introduction to the poetics, I would like to present two stages. First one is being the rejection part -- rejection of what? Rejection of habitual patterns which caused by ego-oriented situation such as desire to develop aggression, passion, ignorance. That if we do not-- for instance if we do not wash our cloth completely clean, we are unable to put that particular cloth in another pot, another dye, another color. It may not come out as bright red, bright green, bright blue and so forth. So the question is that having sense of purity and giving up before we put our cloth that we have woven, we have to wash it thoroughly, and then we can put them in various dyes, that you like.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746#t=345.0,565.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746/transcript/41076/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Similarly, our mind, our body, ourselves, that we have to go through some sense of purification. Natural purification. Which might include letting go of our personal trips, letting go of certain desires, and letting go of previous philosophy that's taught to us. After that, we can aspire ourselves, aspire ourselves to basic meaning of poetics. But each poetics consist of either rejuvenizing poetics, and or else growing old poetics. Between the two, lots of other poetics could have gone from appreciating the sun or the moon or the green grasses, flowers, brooks, mountains. Appreciating a rain storm, appreciating the snow fall, appreciating father and mother, appreciating *whole* world. Or, for that matter, mocking them is acceptable, always acceptable.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746#t=565.0,765.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746/transcript/41076/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You can mock April's snowfall, you can mock the father or the mother treating you badly. But the general circumference of the poetics altogether based on the idea of that we see our universe very clearly, very precisely. We be not fooled by anybody, but we have seen our world clearly, thoroughly, and fully. So that seem to be the basic idea of poetics here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746#t=765.0,854.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746/transcript/41076/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I could give you an example of one poetry, which is not memorized, but on the spot. Goes like this:\r\n\r\n\r\n\"Father's love is good. /\r\n\r\n\r\nDid I borrow from my mother? /\r\n\r\n\r\nNonetheless, I still remain chrysanthemum.\"\r\n\r\n\r\nThank you.\r\n\r\n\r\nSo, if you like to begin discussions please come along. [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746#t=854.0,957.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746/transcript/41076/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 1]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Allen!\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Is the microphones on?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746#t=957.0,980.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746/transcript/41076/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The poem was, \"Father's love is good / Did I borrow from my mother? / Nevertheless, I still remain chrysanthemum.\"\r\n\r\n\r\nWhat does that mean? [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: \"Nonetheless.\"\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Nonetheless, nonetheless.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes, nonetheless. That's the key point. [Laughter; applause]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746#t=980.0,1005.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746/transcript/41076/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ALLEN GINSBERG: Well, what does it mean, \"remain chrysanthemum\"? Is that you're something else than what they expected, or what you expected?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It is, because expected by your father, mother, but I rejected their heritage, and I have been bastard in the meantime. But finally I came around, and I appreciated that.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Uh huh. Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746#t=1005.0,1060.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746/transcript/41076/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 2]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Thank you very much, that was very beautiful. It seems that the greatest obstacle I experience in trying to live my life poetically is a lack of confidence in my own intuition.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Lack of what?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Lack of confidence in my own intuition.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Could you speak about that, please?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes. Well, I think you said it. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: You made me. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think so, yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: We're a good team, thank you.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes. Well that's problem with, you know, Buddhists, that they always ask themselves. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: It's-- we like ourselves so much. [Laughs; Trungpa Rinpoche laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Or maybe that's merit of the being Buddhist, ask themselves.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746#t=1060.0,1133.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746/transcript/41076/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 3]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes? There is a...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746#t=1133.0,1148.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746/transcript/41076/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER3: You said, \"each poetics consist of either rejuvenizing poetics or else growing old poetics.\" What did you mean by that?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, it is a question of they have seen enough of the world already. Or they're about to see the world, as they are. Growing up, it's like a question of good Spring, opposed to good Autumn.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746#t=1148.0,1204.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746/transcript/41076/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER3: The young poet as opposed to an old poet?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Young poet's what?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: A young poet as opposed to an old poet?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's right, yes, very much so.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746#t=1204.0,1215.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746/transcript/41076/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER3: What is it that the old poet knows that the young poet doesn't? [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, that's in itself a poetry. What you said. Ask *yourself*.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: I do. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746#t=1215.0,1238.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746/transcript/41076/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes. Well you see the trick is, I'm not going to help you particularly. [Laughter; applause.] And you have to discover yourself.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: That's helpful, I-- [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Less helpful is more helpful than being helpful. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: Thank you very much.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You're welcome. There is a...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746#t=1238.0,1281.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746/transcript/41076/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 4]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: You spoke earlier about looking at the world from an emptiness point of view. But it seems to me a lot of the poetry that I've found very beautiful is poetry that comes from a very struggling and passionate and confused world. And how-- I hope maybe you could talk something about that?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What do you think? You tell me.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Well, it seems that basically we are not in an empty world, we're in a world that-- where struggle is involved.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: And-- yeah, I don't know. But that seems to be a very important part of living, and poetry is that expression.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746#t=1281.0,1340.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746/transcript/41076/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes. Well, I think we have to go back to technical point. That what I discussed tonight is the idea of cleaning up first. Then the desire for, after that. And it always goes with that.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Pardon me, what was-- it...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It always happens that way.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Oh it... Thank you very much.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You're welcome.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746#t=1340.0,1391.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746/transcript/41076/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 5]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: I think I feel a similar kind of... Hello? Hi.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: I feel a similar-- I sort of understand what the last gentleman was saying because there's a certain kind of -- I don't know whether it's right or wrong or what, but there's a certain kind of beauty in ugliness and frustration and difficulty in expression that can sometimes come out to be very beautiful. And you might wonder if you did wash your cloth completely, you would never be able to have a smudged cloth.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Have a what quality?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: Beg your pardon?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Say that again.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746#t=1391.0,1445.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746/transcript/41076/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER5: If-- I don't-- I feel that there is some beauty in imperfection. And maybe that's a problem that I have, but if you did wash your cloth completely, and you dyed it, and you had a pure color, then your color would be pure and it wouldn't-- and it would be one color.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746#t=1445.0,1470.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746/transcript/41076/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Not necessarily one color. You have lots of colors to dye your cloth with. Always, lots of color. And each time different kind of smile, and a delight takes place. So, we are not talking about completely totalitarian poetics, but we are talking about poetics that can perform multi-lateral situations. Different types for different people, always. But at the beginning, we have to clean up first. That always goes. Having cleansed, then lots of colors come through.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746#t=1470.0,1557.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746/transcript/41076/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER5: Is that to say that a clean human can express frustration better than a dirty-- well, a confused, frustrated human?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Something like that.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: Okay.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Something like that.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: That makes sense.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746#t=1557.0,1569.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746/transcript/41076/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes, yes. We see at the Buddhist school of poetics comes from analogies like well-cleaned mirror, so then so many things can reflect in it, altogether. That's Buddhist poetics in nutshell.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746#t=1569.0,1638.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746/transcript/41076/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 6]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: Sir, I'm curious about the differences in different people. Some people have certain quality of language: maybe like trumpet-like, or staccato. Some people have lyrical quality, some people have a stammering, stuttering quality. It's-- again somebody talked about frustration, do you try and go beyond your sort of immediate quality that presents itself? Or do you try to stay within the quality that presents itself to you, and purify it further or develop it further or go *beyond*?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746#t=1638.0,1720.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746/transcript/41076/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER6: I don’t know. They say \"a rose is a rose is a rose.\"\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes. Well, at the beginning, at the beginning you do purify yourself -- no matter, you purify yourself. That doesn't mean to say that you become purified in such extent that you begin to speak the party language at all; it's just purify your basic being. And then, beyond that, you begin to express yourself poetically. Sound, visually, linguistically, and everything.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746#t=1720.0,1796.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746/transcript/41076/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 7]\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: Sir, is there any use for poetry while you are still purifying yourself? [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think so. There is the notion what is known as the four reminders, in the Buddhist tradition. And also a sense of aloneness, loneliness, at the same time while you're purifying.\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: So those would be the poetry that you-- that inspires you?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Inspires you, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746#t=1796.0,1846.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746/transcript/41076/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DAVID ROME: And is there any usefulness in... would you write a poem while you are purifying yourself?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes, you do, you certainly do.\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: You do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746#t=1846.0,1857.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746/transcript/41076/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: And you sometimes write the best poems [laughter], because you're so lonely, and so wretched. And a lot of the early poems of Milarepa is connected with that.\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: So that could be part of working out the obstacles or confusion?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Very much so.\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Very much so.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746#t=1857.0,1887.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746/transcript/41076/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DAVID ROME: So then when you-- what's the difference between that, and when you *have* purified yourself, and then the second step you talked about, of then expressing?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, it is a question of when you see a vivid -- extremely vivid, and preciseness of things as they are, you also express; maybe from a layman's point of view, they don't see the differences.\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: Uh huh.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: But at the same time there is a tremendous differences.\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: Mhmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746#t=1887.0,1931.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746/transcript/41076/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: And poetics we are talking here, in terms of a doha possibilities.\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: Right. Which is a poetry of realization.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Realization, yes. But before you realize thoroughly and having purified at the same time, you have other lessen [sic: lesser?], which is one of the remarkable ones--\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --that anyone can compose.\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: And they are the one of the best--\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --in history.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746#t=1931.0,1964.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746/transcript/41076/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DAVID ROME: So you can show that to your friends?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Very much so! Yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: And publish it?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: Yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: With a small cost. [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746#t=1964.0,1987.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746/transcript/41076/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: CLOSING REMARKS]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, thank you very much ladies and gentlemen. I think we could close this point. And in order to do that, maybe I would like to ask Allen to compose -- microphones -- spontaneous poetry.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746#t=1987.0,2022.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746/transcript/41076/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ALLEN GINSBERG:\r\n\r\n\r\n\"When I was in the West End bar, /\r\n\r\n\r\nI got drunk and vomited green. / \r\n\r\n\r\nWhen I grew older drinking red wine, / \r\n\r\n\r\nOccasional vomit was blood-colored. / \r\n\r\n\r\nWhen I stopped drinking /\r\n\r\n\r\nI vomited air.\"\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Thank you very much. Thank you, Allen. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746#t=2022.0,2073.182"}]},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746/transcript/41077","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["19820622VCTR1-Captions [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746/transcript/41077/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"CTI SLATE: This is the Venerable\nChogyam Trungpa Rinpoche,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746#t=0.49,3.86"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746/transcript/41077/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Naropa Institute,\nDharma Poetics class,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746#t=3.86,7.84"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746/transcript/41077/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Talk One, given in Boulder,\nColorado, on June 22nd, 1982.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746#t=7.84,16.19"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746/transcript/41077/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This is a CTI auto-remaster\nmade March 2021.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746#t=16.19,21.93"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746/transcript/41077/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ORIGINAL SLATE: The following\nwill be the 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poetics,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746#t=89.96,96.55"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746/transcript/41077/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of the opening\nof Naropa Institute.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746#t=96.55,102.19"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746/transcript/41077/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The basic meaning of the poetics","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746#t=113.97,120.82"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746/transcript/41077/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"are not only written form.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746#t=125.67,130.78"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746/transcript/41077/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It takes visual, audio,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746#t=133.38,144.12"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746/transcript/41077/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"feeling, and altogether.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746#t=146.55,152.18"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746/transcript/41077/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So we are not talking about\nwriting in poetry 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tea,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746#t=213.26,227.27"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746/transcript/41077/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"poetic way of seeing\nthe world as they are,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746#t=229.01,236.4"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746/transcript/41077/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in other word, altogether.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746#t=236.4,240.42"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746/transcript/41077/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That is why it is called\n\"dharma poetics.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746#t=243.84,251.78"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746/transcript/41077/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\"Dharma\" -- how many people\nknow word 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hand,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746#t=268.28,271.22"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746/transcript/41077/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[laughter]\nfurther up -- okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746#t=271.22,275.22"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76220/file/168746/transcript/41077/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well \"dharma\", as you know,\nis taught by the 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