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The limitations of realization from hallucinogenic drugs. The difference between symbolism in \"The Teachings of Don Juan\" and the tantric Buddhist approach to symbolism. The risks of spiritual materialism from being pushed to accept a new culture without explanation. A major problem with both books is that the indigenous wisdom is presented in a biased, archeological way. Buddhist tantra is basically experiencing the earth, which is essential to understanding.\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication"]},"value":{"en":["UNPUBLISHED"]}},{"label":{"en":["Transcription Credits"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eSep 12 2024 to Jun 15 2025 Transcribing: Ella Milligan Checking: JP Glutting Final Proof: Ruth Veleta Other Contributors: Lynn Friedman, Blaire Martin\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003e© Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Year"]},"value":{"en":["1972"]}}],"summary":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eA commentary on two books very influential on American hippie culture and spiritual community at the time: \"Black Elk Speaks\" and \"The Teachings of Don Juan: A Yaqui Way of Knowledge.\" Describes the teachings in both books as \"American tantra,\" which he compares to Buddhist tantra. The limitations of realization from hallucinogenic drugs. The difference between symbolism in \"The Teachings of Don Juan\" and the tantric Buddhist approach to symbolism. The risks of spiritual materialism from being pushed to accept a new culture without explanation. A major problem with both books is that the indigenous wisdom is presented in a biased, archeological way. Buddhist tantra is basically experiencing the earth, which is essential to understanding.\u003c/p\u003e"]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003e\u0026copy; Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved -\u0026nbsp;Not to be Distributed or Reproduced\u003c/p\u003e"]}},"provider":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["Chogyam Trungpa Digital Library"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["Chogyam Trungpa Digital Library"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/209/original/cti-library-logo-blue-text.png?1672724952","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/293/557/small/Logo-Audio-Red.png?1759345150","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 1 - open-uri20251001-2006876-tf4tn8.mpga"]},"duration":5107.007,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/293/557/small/Logo-Audio-Red.png?1759345150","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557/content/1/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-cti.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/293/557/original/open-uri20251001-2006876-tf4tn8.mpga?1759343425","type":"Audio","format":"audio/mpeg","duration":5107.007,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557/transcript/85020","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["19720502VCTR1-Transcript [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557/transcript/85020/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[19720502VCTR1 - University of Colorado - Boulder - Spring 1972 - Class 11]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]\r\n\r\n\r\nARP SLATE: This is the Venerable Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, University of Colorado Classes 1972, held in Boulder, Colorado. This is class number eleven, entitled Don Juan, Black Elk, held May 2nd, 1972.\r\n\r\n\r\nCTI SLATE: This is a CTI custom remaster made September 2024.\r\n\r\n\r\nORIGINAL SLATE: This will be Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, speaking to the University of Colorado on Tuesday, May 2nd, 1972.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557#t=0.0,42.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557/transcript/85020/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: LECTURE]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: In this particular context of this topic, discussing Don Juan and Black Elk, before we get into the details of colorful and somewhat mysterious idea, that seem to be necessary to discuss the actual meaning of reality. Of course that most of the styles and logics and ideas that I might present from my point of view is regarded as that of understandings developed from the Buddhist point of view, or the Tibetans' point of view, from this sense. However, that still there's some sense of universality in terms of working with or un-- studying with the basic essentials of operation of consciousness and its function, its realities. So we could say that from this sense, looking at the idea of reality, as such, what do really mean by reality.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557#t=42.0,171.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557/transcript/85020/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Seem that we have reality as something that we feel, we see, and we perceive the experience, such as very simple, primitive reality. That is to say that the law of nature functions in its simplistic simplicity, or most literal sense of reality. And then we have the other kind of reality which is partially stimulated by some sense of looking into the depth of function of world and its relationships. Like if you put your hand on the stove you get burned, that's the primitive reality. Actually it happens in the simple, physical sense. And then there is another type of reality, relationship to that. It's \"Why do I experience pain? What is the instigator to-- which makes me to put my hand on the stove? And how the perceptions are translated to the brain, to the mind?\" And if you look at that particular details then there's possibilities of seeing all kinds of further dimension, which is usually deceptive situation, but at the same time it is that of visual things of all kinds of hallucinations, and audio things of all kinds of sound, and perceptions of all kinds of cognitive mind's action tend to develop.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557#t=171.0,308.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557/transcript/85020/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In other word, that there seem to be tremendous big problem, that particularly when we discuss the American tantra, so to speak, that had developed in American continent with examples of Black Elk, and examples of Don Juan. That there's a tremendous sense of mystery, and nobody's absolutely certain whether those mysteries actually does exist or whether somebody's fooling somebody. That seem to be always heart of the matter, always the problem. \"Should mysteries regarded as mysterious, or should mysteries regarded as mysticism in the sense of profundity or reality of some depth, experience of depth?\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557#t=308.0,370.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557/transcript/85020/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So in many interpretations a lot of people attempt to present either the literal sense, that if you physically simply involve with a certain hallucinogenic drugs, that you get off the primitive reality, of logical primitive reality, or the simple logic, and you are delivered to higher state of reality. And because your mind is begin to lose its grip on domestic level or paranoid level, that you get relaxed by the help of these drugs. That you get off the higher level, something much more than the ordinary level could reach.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557#t=370.0,428.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557/transcript/85020/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Because of doing that, then we get into all kinds of state of discoveries. And those discoveries are situated from the-- situated within the realm of relaxation, openness, fascination, looking for something, therefore you discover it. And then there is the other aspect, is translating these experience into everyday living situation, whether this experience could be communicated to person on the street, relate to ordinary person, at all or not. That seem to be one of the biggest problems that we have, is communicating those experience into actual living situation, lifestyle or living situation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557#t=428.0,536.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557/transcript/85020/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The next step that we could look into the definite experiences or the characteristics of those teachings, the ancient teachings, were handed down by generation to generation. It seems that whether tantra is regarded as something came from the East, whether this particular type of tantra is regarded as something that does exist in the West, the characteristic of tantra still continue. So there is no contradiction or differences at all. One of the first introduction to that kind of tantric experience, we could say, it's based on the sense of earth, sense of earthiness, sense of real communication to the world, living situation. Take example of Black Elk for instance. That his spiritual development had to be based on the survival situation, and the survival situation and its requirements to live, and by getting into completely into the earth, that he gets high, he gets visions, and he also gets messages how to conduct further situation. So in a sense this type of Western tantra is more of oral, absolutely oral, and purely instinctive type of tantra, opposed to the tantras does exist in the East. Tantric teaching does exist in the East is related with intellectual, philosophic, metaphysical understanding of tremendous training of scholarship. So that seem to be one of the differences, different stages, different types of approach. So from this sense the way of life is regarded as tantra from the point of view of the Indians.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557#t=536.0,723.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557/transcript/85020/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think it's not so much of the effects of the drugs bring people into realization, but it's more of that fundamentally you become absolutely solid person, definite person, you know how to relate with the actual existing situation of life -- how to milk cow, how to ride the horse, how to hunt, how to conduct your life in harmonious situation. And if you become completely involved with that discipline, automatic that discipline brings some rhythm, some inspiration, which means that you get high in some sense. That word \"high\" is very-- seem to be very dangerous to use at that point, but high in this case is joy, complete involvement brings some kind of reassurance. And because of reassurance and your response to the reassurance plays to each other, so there's no doubt of anything at all. That function of life becomes part of play somewhat.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557#t=723.0,799.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557/transcript/85020/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Such as like the-- in Don Juan's book, that there's reference made to the luminous egg. That human beings been seen as an absolute experience, as a luminous egg. There again, as basic for the tantric approach is very confusing. The language of tantra is a symbolical language. When we talk about symbolism in this case it's reality rather than symbolism -- we have to be very careful about using that particular term. When we say \"symbolism\" we regard as analogy, generally, but in this case it's not analogy. As \"sun is as bright as this torch\", if somebody asks, \"What is sun?\" -- that would be analogy; you are comparing the brightness of sun opposed to this torch. But symbolism is a sense of what is sun, sun is that up in sky. Symbolism in a sense of experiencing the actual physical existence of things as they are, completely and fully. So from that sense that person able to get their experience related with earth in the fullest absolute as much as possible, that earth begin to reassure the person's wisdom, understanding.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557#t=799.0,918.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557/transcript/85020/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Then true perception of person's experience of another person is bundle of materials which is made out of emotions, consciousness, reactions, and so forth. It is a bundle of something. As it has been taught in the Buddhist tradition of that there's no such things as soul or ego at all. Everything is consist of bundle of five skandhas -- form, feeling, perception, concept, consciousness, and so on -- which is precisely the same thing of this luminous egg that we are discussing about it, is a collection of all kinds of materials which makes human being as human beings. So in other word, human beings are seen as solid person is false idea.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557#t=918.0,985.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557/transcript/85020/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There's no such thing as solid person, at all, in any case. Whenever we talk about personality or individuality, that individuality have to have some constituents to make individuality as person. It's a collection of all kinds of things which built up or small particles put together. And the same way that person's experience of reality becomes real reality, absolute reality, because reality is based on bundles of unrealities, constantly, all the time. So therefore it becomes hundred-percent self-sufficient reality. Unless there's exchange or unless there's flow or circulation, you can't have reality as solid block at all. The very meaning of reality from that sense is definite thing, it consists of space, and it consists of energies, consists of journeys back and forth in order to keep this circulating going or maintaining itself.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557#t=985.0,1084.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557/transcript/85020/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And it seems that one of the problems that does exist in the American tantra, if we call it, is that there is no proceeding disciplines or successive process of training novice. As far as the Indians concerned, that when they are born they are trained, they're brought up, they involve themselves in certain life situation. To them that anybody who are not trained in that way is unheard of. That birth is also training process, growing up is also training process, so educational process begin to develop from that sense. I suppose you could say that in the case of Buddhist tantra or Indian tantra is concerned, Hindu tantra is concerned, that training-- either you grow up as training process in your life situation, or else that you are alien, you're not familiar with the culture. That you're regarded as purely someone who is floating in the bardo state. That purely by chance you happens take physical possession of a certain particular body, but even then you are still confused. So the training of tantric students from that sense is that you are regarded as an embryonic person at the beginning, although physically you already born and you're growing up. That person who is born and who grow up who could hear the words, could relate with the living existence. Person could feed themselves, person could look after themselves, but still they're regard as embryonic person. So the training process begin to develop from that sense as embryonic person.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557#t=1084.0,1241.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557/transcript/85020/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And one of the contrast that does exist in the two styles of tantra is that, in the case of American tradition, tremendous demands been made. Such as like in Don Juan's book that you are expected to give yourself up completely -- your logic, your reasons, everything completely, very harshly. Which is regarded as hospitality in some sense. That if you're not used to eating hot chili, and if you are invited by your friends, whole culture involved with eating hot chili, and they think you are crazy if you can't eat that specially prepared meal for your guest. But you're expected to accept that hospitality, bluntly, whether is it painful or not, one just have to get into it and do it. That seem to be the whole problem of antagonistic approach. That the basic idea of sophisticated people and natives, that cultural gap has never been explained, but it is enforced to it -- vice versa as well, of course.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557#t=1241.0,1344.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557/transcript/85020/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That kind of harshness is seem to be fundamentally very powerful and extremely important and useful, if person is actually able to get into that kind of experience. And person is finally confused, absolutely confused, utterly confused. That it is absolutely uncertain whether you're seeing miracles or whether you're seeing reality. That person's mind is begin to confuse completely, so reality and miracles -- from popular sense, supposed to be different -- are completely worn out. So the reality and the miracle becomes the same thing from that sense, so that if you saw a miracle, display of a miracle, which is simple, logical situation of cosmic event, events of elements working together, and you are not surprised or terrified by it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557#t=1344.0,1421.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557/transcript/85020/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"From that sense that when we talk about reality, experience of reality is extremely demanding and painful because we can't use the existing logics as we would generally able to do. So when the logic is begin to break down, then that we are in a situation of watching the miracle, or the extraordinary situation -- which does not only come from the experience of drug alone, but experience of generosity and giving and giving and giving, having given up so much that you begin to relate with earth, and one begin to get high on earth from that sense.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557#t=1421.0,1486.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557/transcript/85020/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It seems that some-- also some kind of dangers from that point of view, that if you're trying to compete or trying to understand or trying to play back the experience in the past people had. That quite likely the audience take advantage of drug, are so much conscious of that they are making such leap, they are making such odyssey. They are involved with odyssey, they get high on odyssey, the idea of the odyssey, rather than they're high on actually physical relationship with actual happenings, whatever may be. So that seem to be always the problem that tantric, or American tantric cult that had developed in the West, has never been explained, but it's been felt by great people, people of wisdom, people of knowledge. Because explanation is regarded as hindrance from that sense, or scholarship from that matter is regarded as hindrance. Because there's some sense of frivolousness with scholarship -- analytical mind trying to work things together automatically brings a certain amount of deception and automatically brings some sense of inaccuracy because you are not able to actually get into it, at the feeling of it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557#t=1486.0,1607.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557/transcript/85020/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So the problem from that sense is that a lot of scholarly research and a lot of the explanation of-- or the writings that does exist in terms of praising the wisdom of American Indians but still that wisdom is somewhat biased, somewhat archeological. And that seems to be always the problem, that once you approach from that angle somehow that you blocked all big areas of constant-- possibly constant audience of being student or the watcher of the miracle, that you have no room to watch miracle anymore at all. So whole thing become very solid and definite. And that seem to be always the problem.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557#t=1607.0,1671.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557/transcript/85020/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So on the whole that this particular tradition of actually experiencing earth is one of the guideline. Without that, there is no possibilities of understanding or approaching, even near to understand such experience at all.\r\n\r\n\r\nCould have discussion, that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557#t=1671.0,1721.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557/transcript/85020/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 1]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: What is meant by \"a separate reality\"? [ed: one of Casteneda's Don Juan  books] And how do you relate that to Buddhism?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I mean that's the title that's been made for the publication, to begin with, for the audience, for the salesmanship of publishing book, in one sense or another.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: You said also part of this book refers to a person, [INAUDIBLE] Don Juan--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I mean reality is always separate, otherwise it can't be reality. It's the like luminous fibers that's egg-shaped that Don Juan is talking about. Each strand of circulating itself on its own. It's like same thing in Buddhist tradition, you have form is form, emptiness is empty. Each reality are separate. That's why it is reality, otherwise they can't maintain as one block.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: What about when Don Juan refers to the mixture that he smokes, not specifically the drug but this-- the experience, I don't know exactly what he's referring to, as an ally. And he says his teacher had another ally, another-- that had some relation to another drug that he used. And also he refers to Mescalito -- the mescaline, peyote experience -- as some sort of a person, some sort of a being, [INAUDIBLE]. What do you think of that, of those?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I mean that's precisely the whole idea of symbolism and your relationship to symbolism. In the Buddhist tradition that we talk about dakini principles. Like you find in Milarepa's book the wise demoness [INAUDIBLE]. They could be referred as allies, or on the other hand. Or they-- philosophically they could referred as your psychological distortion or whatever.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: But I'm sure Don Juan would freak out if anybody spoke of Mescalito as a symbol, I mean he insists it's an actual person.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I mean that's-- well, sure, that's the whole point, that then you have the Western mind approaching to it as the archeological sense, obviously we would. I mean the same thing would be to approach Tibetans, that herukas and dakinis are purely symbols, they wouldn't like that either. Because they're so-- too real to be true, therefore it is definite thing, it's [INAUDIBLE] so to speak.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557#t=1721.0,1922.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557/transcript/85020/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 2]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Would you say that the drugs, the [INAUDIBLE] that the drugs and relaxing are [INAUDIBLE]?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well that's the hypothetical idea of using drugs. But actually that our expectations are so great, that when we think we're relaxed, we're expected to be relax, so that we produce another dimension, another twist altogether. Because somewhat we are not earthy enough to indulge in that thing.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: So we don't need the drug?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well drugs from that sense, if you need higher level of some kind of relationship with earth, that they provide as music, so you dance with it. That is in-- on the-- in the degree of how much you are earthy, so that much the wind could blow the earth.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557#t=1922.0,1985.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557/transcript/85020/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 3] \r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: Well it seems that [INAUDIBLE] because it seems like it becomes much more dangerous.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well it seems so, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: It seemed to me always that the drugs with the danger element increased [INAUDIBLE] survival [INAUDIBLE], it’s hard to get it together, [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That helps.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: So you've got to get it together because you might flip out, you might not know what you're doing, in case you want to [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I suppose we could say that it's largely based on the experiences of... [INAUDIBLE]. SPEAKER2: [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well looking for challenge of some kind, but whether we regard a challenge as messenger or challenge as just a neutral challenge, that seem to be the problem there. But regarding challenge as messenger, that it begin to personify something else, when we regard the challenger as experience rather than messenger. In other word there's sense of splitting, split, or dualistic attitude. Any alien elements coming to you, or that you are reinterpret your existing element in you, which makes tremendous differences.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557#t=1985.0,2114.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557/transcript/85020/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 4]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: The luminous egg which you speak about, is that the same as the aura?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I don't think so at all, it's much more real than that, somewhat.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: The luminous egg is much more real than aura?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Realer than aura, yeah, it's actual physical communication, umbilical cord, which tentacles which reach to communicate to situation of world. But aura is just purely expression, supposedly, that who you are, what you are, which is quite different from that point.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557#t=2114.0,2142.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557/transcript/85020/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 5]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: You said that a person is seen as a makeup of feelings, bundles of emotions, concepts, and so forth, like the five skandhas. Would a person who-- [INAUDIBLE] what Naropa said in his book, he also described a person's sense of lotuses and fibers, too. Would a person without ego be seen differently than a person with ego, but they wouldn't be a bundle of-- bundles of the five skandhas, would they [INAUDIBLE]?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well then the whole principle of the chakra system that developed both Buddhist tantra as well as Indian Hindu tantra is that there's distorted version of tantra-- of chakra, I mean. And there was the absolute level of chakra. And the journey towards straightening out your chakras is loosening up process, which does not necessarily mean abandoning existing situation and picking up new thing, but using the same material to work with that material so then material becomes less confused one. And also from Buddhist tradition that you have the five skandhas are transformed into five tathagatas, five buddha principles, so that you don't give anything away and you don't gain anything new, but this process of straightening out or disentanglement.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: So would a person could see this in a way Don Juan did, that this allows someone like Don Juan to view it visually, to see by the type of egg, luminous egg, a person was, just what their state of health was with respect to their ego, the amount of neurotic-- quantity of neuroticism that's in them?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well somewhat becomes somewhat psychological portrait, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557#t=2142.0,2329.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557/transcript/85020/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 6]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: Well how does this [INAUDIBLE] Don Juan said [INAUDIBLE] this luminosity, or this egg [INAUDIBLE] [INAUDIBLE] couldn't understand why Carlos couldn't understand and couldn't see?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I mean that's kind of expression of confusion, obviously. That things are so real, so obvious. And also another thing what we been discussing already is that Don Juan's approach is not approach of bringing up student, but his approach is abrupt approach that looking only from his point of view alone. That's the two different style of tantra we discussed already, that kind of thing. Like I can't understand why you can't eat hot chili. SPEAKER3: [INAUDIBLE] you know, but Carlos [INAUDIBLE] was someone else who couldn't see, wouldn't have the same-- wouldn't look the same, wouldn't have the same luminosity [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I mean always that if you are the sense of distraction, that you blocked yourself automatically. Particularly if you are acting as the messenger, that you don't have the complete message because you tried to put messages into categories. You're not able to relate with messages as natural organic process, that seem to be always the problem.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557#t=2329.0,2454.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557/transcript/85020/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 7]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: [INAUDIBLE] you said that the prajnaparamita [INAUDIBLE]. In the last analysis, does reality have any meaning at all?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: In last analogy?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: In the last analysis--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: --does reality have any meaning at all?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well there should be some meaning in it, otherwise cease to become reality. I mean there must have some kind of relationship of some kind. But when we talk about reality we are not talking about enlightenment, we are talking about facts of thing as they are. I suppose you could say the definition of reality from that sense is that which could express things in its own structure, rather than purely depend on the confirmation. Because once you depend on the confirmation, then confirmation brings chaos, so you fail to see the reality. So the reality is self-existing experience in which the real things, opposed to unreal things, be seen separately, completely. So that both complement each other -- unreal complement the reality, real-- reality complement unreal things.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: And reality is an absolute?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: We can't say that's absolute particularly. It's interdependent thing, unreal.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557#t=2454.0,2592.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557/transcript/85020/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 8]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: It seems that Don Juan says that reality is seeing things as they are, but seeing things as they are is the function of the development of two special modes of perception. First developing one's will, because as he describes will, will itself is a mode of perception. And then of seeing, in the italicized way, which is different from another way of seeing. And that both of these modes of perception have to be developed through long training and so forth. And any information that's carried on from the media of will and of seeing reveal reality in some kind of original way that has a truth that's not carried on the media of the five senses ordinarily. And that that kind of knowledge alone seems to be valuable as it seems to be related to wisdom. Do you-- I would like you to offer a comment on that special sense of seeing things as they are, without only seeing things as they are [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, will and motive from that sense is willing to give up the discomfort, because experiencing reality from that sense is extraordinarily painful somewhat, irritating, too glaring, because it's so sharp and precise. So in order to get to that situation one have to willing to push oneself to give automatically, of course. Then one begin to not look but one begin to see. Because looking is looking for alternatives, and seeing is just seeing without alternatives, which is a result of your will and a result of your generosity, willing to open, willing to give, willing to go through the irritations of seeing reality.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557#t=2592.0,2744.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557/transcript/85020/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 9]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: Could you say what is meant by \"will\", which seems to be a lower level of information than seeing?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. Well, will is a conditioned one, basically, but you can't develop will unless there is some sense of reason to be willful. That you have some fundamental confidence that you canpush. Like take example, you can't be willful to drive a car without turning on the engine first, then you put your foot on the gas pedal, you drive fast. So it is interdependent situation from that sense. So first of all the will seem to be some sense of possibilities of working things, out and possibilities of things not working. Will is based on dualistic thing, but nevertheless that you decide to take chance, which is again exactly the same thing as willing to suffer from the consequence. So will is-- from that point of view is you are more conscious of the action, or you're more conscious of the end-product, rather than you are conscious of the consequence. So in other word developing absolute will is that one have to abandon sense of consequence, so one have to be completely in with the energy or impetus that does exist in the current situation. It's partially inspiration and partially it's daring somewhat, or some kind of excitement that you're willing to take chance. And that will could develop through experiencing the goal, or the hypothetical experience of goal, or that experience could develop in hypothetical excitement of the journey. Either of those situation are the resource for the will. Some element of selflessness somewhat.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: There seems to be some waiting for one's will, that one can't will one's will, [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well obviously you need logic to develop your will.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557#t=2744.0,2937.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557/transcript/85020/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 10]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: You talk about doing things irregardless of the consequences, and to me that seems like that's ego.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well it's maybe ego at that point, but still, you can't do without ego at that point. So the whole idea is that you can't start perfectly anyway at all.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Well, what is the difference between being really open and generous -- you know, like you said you should do whatever is there, whatever you have, and open to, you know, the situation -- and ego doing things irregardless of what happens, just you know blindly? What's the difference?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well generally ego can't do things purely irregardless of the consequence. Usually there will be some motive of some kind, that you have logical reassurance that you will be saved in the end so therefore you do it. The other case is that one is willing to relate with situation of what it is, and disregarding the idea of aim and object.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Pardon?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Aim and object.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557#t=2937.0,3045.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557/transcript/85020/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 11]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: Rinpoche, [INAUDIBLE] [UNCLEAR: that I can practice?].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What is what?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: You said that there's like equal fascination for something like the chakras [INAUDIBLE]. What would be like a meditation for the chakra like the heart chakra?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I suppose we could say that the heart chakra is sense of direction which felt within the sense of space. The Sanskrit word \"chitta\" which means \"heart\" or \"center\" which is direction -- if you have a director, then you have directions. So it is question of wholesome state of being, in which that you know what you are doing.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: Does that mean [INAUDIBLE] both good and bad [INAUDIBLE]--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well they are being-- the negative aspect is from that sense is that ignorance, I suppose you could say, bewilderment, that you don't feel sense of direction at all, that you have no sense of even of the path.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: Why do you [INAUDIBLE] call this American tantra? What is it about this [INAUDIBLE]? You might have [INAUDIBLE]. TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: To-- you might have called it American spirituality.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well that's saying the same thing, somewhat. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: What some?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well it seems that these-- such real and definite relationship to living reality has been seen by other people connected with other culture, people connected with other situations. And could go as far as that, because the basic idea of tantra from that sense is seeing the reality in absolute mudra, absolute symbolism. And it seems that these great people are also equal to the siddhas of India, similar kind of craziness and similar kind of openness and warrior-type thing. Which is something much more than purely religion, spiritual. But there's some-- I suppose the main thing we could say that is the warrior-type quality is always could relate to the tantra, not giving consideration to purely dreamworld, but using the dreamworld as the path, transcending dreamworld. And that kind of daringness quality, warriorlike quality. And that's similar to story of Saraha, Kukkuripa, and Tilopa, and Naropa, and so on. That same kind of quality continues with them as well. It's more the lifestyle and more of the style they present themselves to the world. And they don't claim to be monk or priest or preacher but they just hang around as ordinary person, but still they have tremendous depth and tremendous craziness in connected with reality, with complete earthiness. It's very difficult to relate with the craziness to earth with ordinary-person craziness, but when craziness becomes earthy one, then it is stage of siddha, somewhat.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557#t=3045.0,3349.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557/transcript/85020/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 12]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: But Don Juan said he didn't have to be a warrior because he could see clearly-- so clearly.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I mean that's, we could say, is purely warrior in the sense of maintenance of one's basic being. From that sense warrior is regarded as pawns that you have to put your shield in front of it to defend yourself. I mean the same thing like Naropa would regard himself as a fighter.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: Yeah but he says that he no longer had to live as a warrior, while his teacher always had to live as a warrior because he couldn't see as clearly as Don Juan could.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: But that's saying same thing in that sense, is that struggle does not exist. From that point of view of the warrior principle is that particular idea, is related with looking, and transcending that particular principle is regarded as from that sense seeing, which is just purely somewhat technical thing. But if we interpret the warrior in fundamental sense, in highest sense of fearlessness -- like Buddha is referred as warrior or the victorious one, the conqueror, emperor -- from that sense, the sense of warrior continues. Even when you look, your approach becomes just see, rather than you look.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557#t=3349.0,3472.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557/transcript/85020/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 13]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: There's something rather strange which I couldn't understand in the process of Don Juan, which also seems to happen to Black Elk, that may be to do with ritual. Like all these little things that [INAUDIBLE] strike us as unnecessary, like dropping Carlos in the river and dropping him all over with leaves and that kind of thing. It seems that you have to be willing to accept something that looks completely useless and illogical and believe in it thoroughly.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well that's very interesting point. I think the whole point is that-- but of course philosophically one can explain the usage of [INAUDIBLE] ingredients of power in the Buddhist tantra and things like that. But at the same time, relating with little things like that represent the bigger things somewhat. That you have a direct sense of-- one can't call it faith, but sense of accuracy with the things. You see, the whole point is that that is the sense of craziness, that they don't have to be particularly logical, and because they are illogical therefore that there is some value in them. And that's the starting point of getting onto the path, so to speak, or the [INAUDIBLE] begin to see as has its own appreciation, has its own impact. That person who find it very difficult to do these things at the beginning because their mind is constantly enslaved by their intellect, but when a person, if he's really pure and complete student who is willing to get into those little useless details is provided both a barrier as well as way of giving in to it. So I mean that's the precise test of transcending of frivolous logic or whatever you like to call it. SPEAKER6: But at the same time [INAUDIBLE].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557#t=3472.0,3691.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557/transcript/85020/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 14]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: [INAUDIBLE] said that, when we speak of reality [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You are speaking about what?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: You said when we speak of reality, we're not speaking of [INAUDIBLE]. [INAUDIBLE]?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Maybe this is premature to introduce that idea, but experiencing reality isn't state of enlightenment, because when we talk about experiencing reality that's the-- we are talking about such as like achievement of arhat-ship. That you have achieved certain state of level of spiritual consciousness in which you could associate with yourself being in a spiritual state of some kind. So from that sense, experiencing reality is more like \"prajna\", \"transcendental knowledge\", because the perception of prajna is completely accurate and real, and the object and function of prajna experience is to see the reality as clear and precise as much as possible. So-- which is quite different from that of \"jnana\" or the \"enlightened state\", in which that you don't have to relate with the reality, that you don't have to experience reality, because you are real already.\r\n\r\n\r\nSo that seem to be one of the definitions that-- generally people talk about having experience of reality seem to be regarded as the ultimate thing, final goal, but there's something more than that. Because when you experience reality, reality becomes still experience or information. Whereas \"enlightenment\" or \"jnana state\" or completely awake state, that you do not even have to relate with what is real, what is not real, anymore at all. The comparison does not exist anymore in that state.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557#t=3691.0,3853.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557/transcript/85020/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 15]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: Can that state [INAUDIBLE] flashes of-- on prajna [INAUDIBLE] or does-- is it something, like a-- that is constant?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: We could say that it could start with flashes of jnana and gradually develops its stableness.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: So when those-- so when a person has those flashes then at that-- at those times you could say that person is enlightened, that that person is good.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: At that moment is concerned good?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Did you say \"good\"?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: Enlightened. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I wouldn't say person becoming good that state, but at that moment person-- as far as that moment is concerned, personal experience becomes complete.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557#t=3853.0,3924.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557/transcript/85020/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 16]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: In Don Juan's book there's mention of guides and allies, and Black Elk speaks of six grandfathers, and the general psychic tradition there talks of guides that one has. And I wondered if you would not deny the existence of persons that exist on another frequency, whatever, or if you would recommend any practice that would facilitate the communication with such consciousness. And if you would, what would it be? [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well you see the whole point is that it's interdependent, that there cannot be frequency unless you don't have the set to relate with it. So frequency is the creation of the set that you are relating with the whole thing together to begin with. So I wouldn't deny completely, that there is no forces that relate with the experiencer, but at the same time it is highly depend on the openness, the surrendering thing we've be talking about, the willpower that we been talking about it. And the only way to acknowledge such thing does exist is depend on your-- whether you are willing to accept your expressions. Because on the whole that from that point of view the reality, question of reality, generally, is depends on that whether you perceive them or not. That if you perceive reality, then reality does exist. If you don't perceive, then doesn't exist.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: How does one prepare the set?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I suppose one had to develop the willpower that we be talking about to begin with. Which is-- I mean there is no magic, but it had to become gradual step, definite steps.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557#t=3924.0,4072.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557/transcript/85020/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 17]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: In reference to this-- when you said before that Don Juan was kind of like shock treatment on Carlos Castaneda. Was that--[INAUDIBLE] there were times when he was saying-- Don Juan was saying to Castaneda, \"Open and see your [UNCLEAR: out?].\" You talked a bit about that, and how that abrupt treatment comes into it, you contrasted it to Eastern [INAUDIBLE]. Would you explain how the Eastern, how [INAUDIBLE] as opposed to this other one?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well it seems that-- like Don Juan's approach or whatever, that the approach is not willing to accept people's confusion, but just the wisdom is thrust upon them, so they have to automatically give up their confusion, if they're willing to do it. So there's no method in any case, except the true method that does exist in related with earth or whatever. In the case of the Buddhist and Hindu tantric tradition, that there are successive states, that they acknowledge the principle of \"avidya\", the \"ignorance\", to begin with. Somewhat that philosophers might say that there's no ego, there's no ignorance, but still, ignorance, word \"avidya\", is put into the picture of it, which means acknowledging there is confusion, there is ignorance, something to begin with. It's the idea is that acknowledging there is such thing as ego does exist seem to be two different approach. I mean some of the abrupt teachings of siddhas and yogis, according to the life stories of them, that they use similar method of they refuse to accept their confusion, and simply just abruptly present it. But that doesn't seem to be general trend of pattern of the teaching at all, that they deliberately put out the existence of confusion as the first step does exist, like the study of abhidharma for instance talks about skandhas and confusion and everything from that sense.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: It sounds as though Don Juan is-- takes the approach that if he can make them-- his students see reality, then enlightenment automatically follows. That it's necessary to be enlightened to see reality differently.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well sort of not making big deal of the confusion is also another way, the abrupt teaching, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557#t=4072.0,4281.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557/transcript/85020/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 18]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: It sounds as though Buddhists teach their students to be enlightened first, and then say a separate reality follows second.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's right, yeah. They're very devious. [Laughter; laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: So then [INAUDIBLE]-- something always seems to come through with the Buddhist teachings, that say, \"Don't worry about having all the experiences, [INAUDIBLE]. 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Which makes that this kind of approach is American tantra, for instance.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: What about Don Juan wanting a disciple to take notes -- he constantly hints that taking notes was a bad trip.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I mean, that's-- he's just playing a game, you know.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: Well except that it's [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I wouldn't say in fundamental sense, that's just-- occasionally person need a break, playing with toy. It’s expression of compassion and so on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557#t=4281.0,4402.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557/transcript/85020/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 19]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: Rinpoche, you seem to view Americans [INAUDIBLE] as [UNCLEAR: using?] yogic practices, [INAUDIBLE], you do that as a ploy rather than the way the Indians [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I didn't get it. SPEAKER1: [INAUDIBLE] comes to you [INAUDIBLE] kind of disturbed, whereas the American Indians [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I wouldn't say that's just a [INAUDIBLE], but it seems that in our work, from the Buddhist tradition, seem to relate with taking a longer journey. That to begin with, this kind of journey possibilities of spiritual materialism, how profound it may be, still regarded as spiritual materialism. And having completely renounced that seduction, and then the real austerity begin to develop, which takes a process. And in the case of the American Indians' teaching is concerned, that it's just a purely-- the approach is not psychological one, the approach is just to show how they exist, how they function, to somebody else. If they don't accept it then they just reject it. Which is more experiential level, rather than in the case of the Buddhist tradition is more of psychological approach. So I think both are necessary or valid. But seem to be there is possibilities of developing spiritual materialism by just abrupt presentation of-- regarding presenting that their life, life situation, their culture, is the only way to liberation or salvation, or true understanding. Without going through the process somehow that there seem to be-- quite possibly lot of people might get benefit out of it but at the same time there is a lot of confusion could exist. So in the case of the Buddhist approach seem to be is just covering all possible dangers and surveying the whole area of psychology of different culture completely and gradually sowing the seed.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: But doesn't that mean the American Indians [INAUDIBLE] about the psychological trips?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I wouldn't say but... that they might have some instant communications with certain people, but at the same time they're willing to reject lot of people at the same time. SPEAKER1: [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, \"You're out.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557#t=4402.0,4659.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557/transcript/85020/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 20]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: Rinpoche, [INAUDIBLE]? \r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That develop what? \r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: Does that not develop the feminine principle? [INAUDIBLE]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Feminine, did you say? \r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: [INAUDIBLE] does that sort of push the feminine principle to a secondary role? I mean it doesn't seem to [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well it's a style of warrior, basically.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: Is that warrior in a sense of [UNCLEAR: Buddhism?]?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: In a sense, yes. It's the cutting through.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: Well, is compassion [INAUDIBLE]?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes, very much so.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: Well, wouldn't that be the feminine principle?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think compassion approach is seem to be nursing approach, and the other approach is a-- the warrior's approach is a training approach, like training soldiers on the training ground.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: Well what I'm asking is, [INAUDIBLE] American tantra is [INAUDIBLE] broad as Eastern tantra?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Is what?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: As broad.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well one can't really talk about which is broader. But the other one has the sense of penetrating, in American approach. And the Buddhist approach it has the nursing or the wildness of it, so in both cases they cover a great deal of ground. So one can't really say this is better or the other one is better, but quite possibly the other approach, American approach, is-- does not accept any nonsense, and the Buddhist approach is nonsense be regarded as a staircase, your application. But both are very compassionate approaches somewhat, so one can't really pick and choose either or this one, particularly. [Laughs; laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557#t=4659.0,4822.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557/transcript/85020/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 21]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: Is there anything in Buddhist tantra related to the visions, such as Black Elk had, and then acting out on visions?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think that lot of the principles of mandala, for instance, are very accurate, very close to certain structure from mandalas and sadhanas that are performed. And there is a tremendous, not surprising but obvious, things about tremendous correspondence.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: But visions that are-- happen spontaneously, just sort of without [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well you see the point of-- when we talk about a vision, that we are not talking about purely hallucinatory visions, but visions in sense of the psychological process becomes a visual situation. Because that your approach towards reality, it's so real and so obvious, that they become visual as well as audible. So that's the point of definition. And it seem that there seem to be a lot of misunderstanding, of seeing the visions as purely regarded as hallucinatory visions.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557#t=4822.0,4923.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557/transcript/85020/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 22]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: You said that you were [INAUDIBLE] to sow the seeds of open chakras. Isn't reading material like that and accumulating more just creates confusion? Isn't reading these things [INAUDIBLE] possibly just creating more confusion, rather than let's say not reading and unlearning a lot of things that you've already known?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I mean both has possibilities of their dangers as well as their merit. That collecting more information, purely sake of collecting credentials, is further confusion. But at the same time, collecting more information by reading in order to understand, in order to learn, also creates lots of confusions, but at the same time, that kind of confusion of just collecting for the sake of understanding has much more profound or fertile.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: But haven't we already accumulated enough?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: We haven't, that's the whole problem. But we have but we haven't. We haven't acknowledged that but we have collected lots of it. But we haven't put them into categories and certain particular patterns. So the point is that having collected great deal, one have to have the basic awareness, how much you collected, rather than purely just collecting alone. And some basic confusion begin to develop because you have collected categorically. And then that confusion begin to make you think twice. And then you begin to ignite the whole-- stuff that you collected becomes part of the development. I mean there is no dogma of it really, it's how we approach. If we're more honest to ourselves in terms of collecting then these collections become a work of art, but if we're deceiving ourselves because we're collecting then it becomes destructive or further confusion.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557#t=4923.0,5064.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557/transcript/85020/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 23]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: So reading could be-- reading will create confusion, but that confusion might help us?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's right, yes. Talking about confusion--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: Might it not help if-- help more if, let's say, that was cut out, because there's enough confusion right there to deal with right now?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well the whole point is that you haven't confronted with your confusion enough. If you cut out then you don't have any source of confusions anymore, so you don't learn anything, you don't-- you have no chance of thinking twice. That's also-- I mean it depends on up to individual as well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557#t=5064.0,5112.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557/transcript/85020/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: CLOSING]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Might have to close at that point, John.\r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557#t=5112.0,5107.007"}]},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557/transcript/85021","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["19720502VCTR1-Captions [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557/transcript/85021/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ARP SLATE: This is the Venerable\nChogyam Trungpa Rinpoche,\nUniversity of 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1972.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557#t=9.87,17.75"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557/transcript/85021/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"CTI SLATE: This is a CTI custom\nremaster made September 2024.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557#t=17.75,25.06"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557/transcript/85021/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ORIGINAL SLATE: This will be\nChogyam Trungpa 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1972.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557#t=34.99,39.24"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557/transcript/85021/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: In this\nparticular\ncontext of this topic,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557#t=42.66,54.29"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557/transcript/85021/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"discussing Don Juan\nand Black 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idea,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557#t=74.41,82.97"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557/transcript/85021/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that seem to be necessary\nto discuss the actual\nmeaning of reality.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557#t=82.97,90.4"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557/transcript/85021/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Of course that most\nof the styles and 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Would you explain\nhow the Eastern,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557#t=4107.4,4113.2"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557/transcript/85021/annotation/715","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"how [INAUDIBLE]\nas opposed to this other one?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557#t=4113.2,4120.04"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161708/file/293557/transcript/85021/annotation/716","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well it 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