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Addresses common misconceptions about nirvana as a goal-oriented form of salvation or a sudden, eternal escape from misery. Instead, nirvana should be seen as a gradual process by which one is freed from imprisonment or bondage -- the bondage of self-consciousness of ego or believing in a fixed sense of “self.” Explains that even the process of seeking nirvana, or anything related to one’s own individual salvation, must also eventually be freed. Also describes the important role of the teacher and the path in learning how to associate oneself with nirvana and gradually experience complete freedom. Q\u0026amp;A Highlight: [Q10] Description of the ten bhumis (stages) of spiritual development and vajra-like samadhi (an indestructible meditative state of mind that occurs with enlightenment).\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication"]},"value":{"en":["UNPUBLISHED"]}},{"label":{"en":["Transcription Credits"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eMay 24 2020 to Jun 15 2021 Transcribing: Leandra Ziegler Checking: Ella Milligan Final Proof: Travis May Terminology Review: Matilda Perks Other Contributors: Lynn Friedman, Warner Dick\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003e© Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Year"]},"value":{"en":["1974"]}}],"summary":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eIntroductory presentation on how to understand nirvana (a state of no more suffering achieved when one is enlightened). Addresses common misconceptions about nirvana as a goal-oriented form of salvation or a sudden, eternal escape from misery. Instead, nirvana should be seen as a gradual process by which one is freed from imprisonment or bondage -- the bondage of self-consciousness of ego or believing in a fixed sense of \u0026ldquo;self.\u0026rdquo; Explains that even the process of seeking nirvana, or anything related to one\u0026rsquo;s own individual salvation, must also eventually be freed. Also describes the important role of the teacher and the path in learning how to associate oneself with nirvana and gradually experience complete freedom. Q\u0026amp;A Highlight: [Q10] Description of the ten bhumis (stages) of spiritual development and vajra-like samadhi (an indestructible meditative state of mind that occurs with enlightenment).\u003c/p\u003e"]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003e\u0026copy; Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved -\u0026nbsp;Not to be Distributed or Reproduced\u003c/p\u003e"]}},"provider":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["Chogyam Trungpa Digital Library"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["Chogyam Trungpa Digital Library"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/209/original/cti-library-logo-blue-text.png?1672724952","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/293/577/small/Logo-Audio-Red.png?1759347014","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161728/file/293577","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 1 - open-uri20251001-2006876-nske6w.mpga"]},"duration":2491.42857,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/293/577/small/Logo-Audio-Red.png?1759347014","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161728/file/293577/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161728/file/293577/content/1/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-cti.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/293/577/original/open-uri20251001-2006876-nske6w.mpga?1759343538","type":"Audio","format":"audio/mpeg","duration":2491.42857,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161728/file/293577","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161728/file/293577/transcript/85061","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["19740411VCTR1-Transcript [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161728/file/293577/transcript/85061/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[19740411VCTR1 - University of Colorado - Boulder - Spring 1974 - Class 8]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]\r\n\r\n\r\nARP SLATE: This is the Venerable Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, University of Colorado classes, 1974 held in Boulder, Colorado. This is class number eight, The Question of Nirvana, held April 11th, 1974. This is an ARP digital remaster made May 2007.\r\n\r\n\r\nORIGINAL SLATE: University of Colorado, April 11th, 1974. Question of Nirvana.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161728/file/293577#t=0.0,33.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161728/file/293577/transcript/85061/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: LECTURE]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Seems tonight the topic is \"The Question of Nirvana,\" which is a very familiar term to people who studied the package deal. Educational informations about Buddhism in the past be provided talks about nirvana. That Buddhists, as such, are seek for nirvana instead of a god. That Buddhist's approach, question of nirvana as salvation. And nirvana is being cessation of pain, suffering, an eternity of some kind. And that, maybe you have heard in your high school or even your some advanced in Sunday schools maybe. That you have heard about Buddhist seek for nirvana. That's the goal. Buddha had attained nirvana, and, from that, that we should find his way of attaining nirvana. That has become one of the popular notion of Buddhism.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161728/file/293577#t=33.0,154.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161728/file/293577/transcript/85061/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"However, at this point, that we might re-examine the whole question of definition of \"nirvana\" as such. That what do we mean by nirvana? Completion. The Tibetan term for \"nirvana\" is what's called \"namdrol\" is \"complete freedom.\" “Nam\" means \"complete,\" \"drol\" means \"freedom.\" So complete freedom. And nirvana suggests notion of goal of some kind, which is not quite purely that you can switch off your pain and misery and suffering, neurosis on the spot. And you could turn and soft switch into nirvana as such. That it is gradual situation. But the basic meaning of \"nirvana\" is \"freedom from bondage,\" which will be the best way of translating, or even we might say transliterating. The definition of \"nirvana\" is \"freedom from bondage.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161728/file/293577#t=154.0,246.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161728/file/293577/transcript/85061/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bondage, in this case, automatically implies self-consciousness of ego, too much concern about oneself. And even seeking for nirvana is too much of self-orientation. That in itself had to be freed. So anything that is related to the personal salvation, individual salvation, that notion of one upmanship, in some sense, is still had to be freed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161728/file/293577#t=246.0,285.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161728/file/293577/transcript/85061/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So the point here is that nirvana does not mean the competitive notion of that, \"Who is the most smartest person who could attain this nirvana?\" And there's no question of one upmanship, particularly, as such. But the question is gradual process of complete free from bondage, imprisonment. From samsara, which means a vicious circle, whirlpool that constantly returning and returning, returning to its own original question and never solving any problems at this point. So nirvana is the opposite, and never ask for promises or questions, but free from any kind of bondage, freedom.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161728/file/293577#t=285.0,343.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161728/file/293577/transcript/85061/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So quite safely we could say, at this point, nirvana is equal to the notion of freedom. Well, term \"nirvana\" could be said as equated with the notion of freedom, this point. So nirvana notion is epitome of freedom. But you might say, \"What do you mean by freedom? Freeing from what? Who's been freed?\" Freedom, this case, is freeing from, surprisingly enough, trying to be free and free from yourself. That you have created the notion of imprisonment very beautifully, accurately, fantastic work of art that you have created yourself. So, if you need any notion of freedom from yourself, from anyone, it is *you* that had created imprisonment. In the same way, we could say, if you do not commit crime, you do not enter into jail, because you are good citizen. That by being naughty and bad in society, committing all kinds of crimes, maybe looking for excitement, maybe looking for radical approach and looking for all kinds of situations that you have become criminal by law. Consequently, you entered yourself into in prison. You have become prisoner, and you become prisoner of yourself at the same time. Such exploration is are necessary.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161728/file/293577#t=343.0,512.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161728/file/293577/transcript/85061/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So the notion of nirvana here is a question of basic continuity at the level of that one has to maintain one's basic dignity in order to free oneself from samsara and associate oneself with nirvana. There are lot of other questions that involve with that, which is the helpful-- helper who presents the real notion of freedom. Somebody is going to give us the information as that how we could be freed. Somebody who tells us how to do it, how to go about, how to associate ourselves with freedom. And that particular process is called \"path.\" That in order to trod on certain path, travel on a certain path, you do need a experienced traveler who had already took the journey or the trip who would be able to guide you, tell you which place to halt and which place to get water, which place to develop discipline, and so forth.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161728/file/293577#t=512.0,653.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161728/file/293577/transcript/85061/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The question of nirvana from this point of view, is interdependent in one's own search. It's depends on how much that you would like to free yourself from one's own entertainment. Whether that you want to forget that your own neurosis, problems and would like to change the subject so to speak. Or else that you want to be frank and direct that experience that you have encountered, have relationship with one's basic existence. That the neurosis, depressions, excitement, all kinds of emotions, love and hate, and so forth are actually part of that particular research work to find out the basic notion of nirvana. That freedom and nirvana cannot be developed unless you realize the bondage or the imprisonment from that point of view.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161728/file/293577#t=653.0,783.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161728/file/293577/transcript/85061/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So realizing the imprisonment becomes realizing the freedom, nirvana from that point of view becomes part of the panoramic vision from that point of view. And, also, one begin to realize that nobody is actually imprisoned as such particularly. Or, for that matter, nobody is not imprisoned. That there is no particular entities have been captivated in a level of pain or pleasure. But everybody had experience the waves and encounters, the encounters and the subplots that caught us. And we think we are caught, because we are ourselves as manifestation that was the subplot already. So there's no \"you\" as plotter as exist, but our existence is also part of the plot already. The notion of existence becomes a plot already.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161728/file/293577#t=783.0,875.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161728/file/293577/transcript/85061/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, from that point of view, that we do not exist except just energy of a plot of all kinds. A long-term plots to maintain one's ego existence as well as subplots to try to entertain ourselves from day to day, hour to hour, minute to minute. So that is us. That apart from that there is no-- nothing beyond it as particular thing. So question of nirvana is, from that point of view, is to get beyond those plots of all kinds. Or \"cut through,\" if you like to call it, that particular plot.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161728/file/293577#t=875.0,966.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161728/file/293577/transcript/85061/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The notion of nirvana is, from that point of view, no longer in terms of developing peace and tranquility particularly or forgetting the world and relating with the world at all. In fact, if you are involved more in your own cutting through your trips of plot, that that much that the student is involved with relating with your experiences of psychological neurosis. So person does not get overall tranquilizer to forget the world, forget the painful world. And, for that matter, it is no longer regarded as pleasurable realm that you could get into a static, pleasurable euphoric state of absorption. That once you have achieved nirvana, that you no longer care for anything but except your own absorption. That seem to be one of the very primitive ideas about notion of nirvana.\r\n\r\n\r\nWe could have discussions on that particular point if you like to ask any questions.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161728/file/293577#t=966.0,1059.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161728/file/293577/transcript/85061/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 1]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: What did you mean in your book, CUTTING THROUGH [SPIRITUAL MATERIALISM], when you said that many of us shouldn't have entered the spiritual path at all?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, if you do not know how to do it, keep it very simple. Wash up dishes, go to nine to five job. At least, you are not deceived by higher power of spirituality. That at least you'll be saved from that.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: Did you mean to say that many of us should not have entered the spiritual materialism at all?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hopefully, that is true, but it seem to be too late.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161728/file/293577#t=1059.0,1113.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161728/file/293577/transcript/85061/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 2]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: You said something about a person's desire that he's strong--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Person's what?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: A person's own desire of being strong [INAUDIBLE] reaching nirvana. It seems to me that regardless of your desire, a million other obstacles that would be much more influential. I mean, just because you-- I mean, even if you want to with all your heart, that just doesn't cut it, you know.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: So what's the problem?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Well, you said that wanting to is an important element. You know, you have to have that sincere desire. And I'm questioning how significant does that sincere desire need to be, because the other obstacles would be much more influential. Not the other obstacles, I should say, just every obstacle, because there are so many.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I mean, there's constant situation in your life that you want to keep away from your troubles and complications.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Yes, I understand that, but wanting to keep away from them, just, you know, there are a million things I don't wish I did, I don't wish I had, and things like that. But just wishing them away. I mean, that just doesn't happen. [INAUDIBLE] --\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You mean, you don't experience you want to get away?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: All the time.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: All the time, that's good.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: That's messed up.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, then maybe you have some problems there. That you don't accept imprisonment. You don't accept the imprisonment, and you want to be left alone.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: [UNCLEAR: I mean, pretty much?] that I-- could you just-- okay, maybe if you just went back and explain what you meant about the desire helping you obtain nirvana. Maybe I'd understand [INAUDIBLE] .\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, that's saying the same thing. The desire to attain nirvana is that you don't want to be hassled about your life, and you want to have a quiet time. Like a lot of people who had career, job would look forward their retirement. \"That once I retire, I build quiet place in the coast or the mountains. I have a good time.\" And that seem to be the problem, and that problem goes on all the time. Not that when you retired alone, but you would like to rescue yourself from constantly from being hassled. In other word, that the hassle is not related as part of the experience of freedom. But hassle is related as part of the purely negative and destructive that you can't work anything with that-- with it at all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161728/file/293577#t=1113.0,1311.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161728/file/293577/transcript/85061/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 3]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: I was reading some of [THE TEACHINGS OF] DON JUAN before the talk tonight. And you were talking about achieving, you know, you speak of achieving nirvana. And Don Juan talks about the four obstacles that we have to break through in order to achieve nirvana. And he says fear is the first one. And he says, when we achieve a clarity, we can overcome our fear and overcome the first obstacle. He says then the second obstacle is clarity itself. And I don't really understand that. How could clarity be an obstacle?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, the question is that clarity cannot be obstacle at all as it is or as it might be. But clarity becomes a problem because that you don't relate the clarity as a deity, but clarity as a luxurious and special situation. That one begin to project or value it, declare it as being a certain particular state of being. And once you put the-- that experience into certain category, pigeonholes, then that experience cease to become cosmic or universal, and it becomes one of the experience of being in the suburbia world. That you have your own little square property, your little home--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: Because you become very subjective .\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's right, yes. So that in itself is obstacle. That you don't experience the notion of freedom anymore. It is being in a personal in the egocentric sense.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161728/file/293577#t=1311.0,1453.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161728/file/293577/transcript/85061/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 4] \r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Could you talk about the difference in between concept of nirvana regarding the hinayana and the mahayana tradition?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Concept of what?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Of nirvana in both of those. How do you work in the idea of compassion? How does that change between--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, yeah the question seem to be is that in accordance with the hinayana tradition, the notion of nirvana is a sense of developing basic sanity. That you are no longer relate with the external entertainments to acknowledge your existence as full-fledged ego possessing person. It is erasing the ego as you go on. That you don't exist and, in fact, the experience does exist, it's a self-freeing process. In the question of mahayana tradition, that having already experienced that already self-freeing process, then you automatically perform those insight in terms of activity, day to day living situation as been prescribed in the text like the activities of six transcendental actions, six paramitas. So that you begin to act as according to what you have discovered.\r\n\r\n\r\nSo the one is introverted discovery of question of nirvana and still needlessness of ego. The other one is extroverted notion of nirvana, which is still un-ego, non-ego activity, whatever actions you perform, it becomes same thing from that point of view.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: So would nirvana and the hinayana path has-- is a goal, because you're working on developing the relationship between the ego and no ego.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's right, that's right.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: And mahayana is internalized so [INAUDIBLE] .\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Already understood, already understood. Yes, yes. In the mahayana there's the notion of fearlessness little bit. That you don't have to still trying to prove the non-ego anymore, but you perform accordingly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161728/file/293577#t=1453.0,1617.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161728/file/293577/transcript/85061/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 5]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: Could you say something about the notion of finality as it pertains to nirvana in the two traditions?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Finality?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: Right, well, as something which after you-- as a completion. Obviously, that's more problem of the hinayana tradition.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, that's very difficult to talk about. It becomes purely myth or else becomes a very aggressive situation. That you have to recapture those experiences. In fact, as nirvana is concerned or freedom is concerned, it is very relative question. That you have freed from the first level, and then you’re imprisoned by realizing the first level you are imprisoned. So you have to develop second level of freedom. At the same time, when you have achieved that freedom, that notion of freedom in itself imprisons you of that particular freedom. Freedom becomes imprisonment constantly. So, and according to the path, that there are ten levels of spiritual development, which each of them, several different types of freedom, which automatically provides notion of imprisonment at the same time. Because, when you have achieved freedom, you stick to it, you hold onto it, you try to cherish it. By cherishing and trying to hold onto it, automatically provides notion of imprisonment at the same time.\r\n\r\n\r\nSo, finally, one has to give up all the games, and which seem to be necessary. But even doing so, maybe you are still imprisoned in the cosmic sense. So there's no way really out. So question is way in rather than way out. Instead of trying to be free from imprisonment, you get into the notion of imprisonment and trying to develop, trying to destroy the subplot of the inner most essence of all. Which is the final attainment of enlightenment is not so much expanding and getting freed. But, finally, you destroy the very center of that particular notion of freedom. And destroy its-- the plot both of freedom as well as the plot of imprisonment at the same time. So that's why it is known as the-- what's known as the \"vajra-like samadhi.\" \"Vajra\" means \"indestructible.\" That notion of openness which is indestructible. And that seem to be the final situation is to destroy the subplot completely.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: What are the ten levels of development that you just mentioned.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, which is the level of different degrees of freedom and each time imprisonment at the same time.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: What tradition is that from?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mahayana Buddhism, what's known as \"bhumis\", bodhisattva path.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161728/file/293577#t=1617.0,1834.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161728/file/293577/transcript/85061/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 6]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: Isn't the [INAUDIBLE] finality a kind of an illusion? So how could there be finality to any kind of-- even the state of indestructible, you know?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, if you are indestructible, that doesn't-- that means you can't even grow. Or you can't shrink at the same time. So you have no promises and no manipulations involved-- it is going to be as it is. [laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: So it's an ongoing process.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, even there's no promise about that you know. I mean, that's the whole point is whether ongoing or coming backward or forward, doesn't really matter. It *is* in the same way. [laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161728/file/293577#t=1834.0,1887.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161728/file/293577/transcript/85061/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 7]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: You said that making friends with yourself is the basis for compassion or for Mahayana Buddhism. Could you say something about that? In terms of how compassion then relates to practice [INAUDIBLE] ?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: The motivation of helping others is expressions of helping oneself at the same time, because you begin to realize that there's no \"your territory\" as such. Whenever your notion of existence as *you* exist, then everybody is part of you, which is \"you\" in the greater version, cosmic sense maybe. At the same time, one begin to develop a less prejudiced notion of ego. That ego is also the worthwhile process to transmute into a more intelligent notion of self than the primitive notion of self.\r\n\r\n\r\nSo the compassionate attitude or working with other people is not so much that you are trying to save somebody else from their problem alone but trying to work with them as part of your expansive energy, which has bounce back on you from them as well at the same time. So it's working with one's energy rather than that you are working with some particular formality or some particular morality and certain level of conduct as such particularly. But it becomes expansive from that point of view. That it's the symbolical analogy is like the sun shines and reflects light on every flower, every leaves on Earth, which helps that every flower, every leaves to grow, develop. Every plant, tree, everything to grow. But that is not particularly personal intention of the sun to do that. But, nevertheless, the sunlight does not miss any of those particular point. It becomes natural cosmic situation.\r\n\r\n\r\nSo that is why that the difference between the charitable work opposed to the intelligence compassion is that compassion without idiot compassion, which is that there is no emotionalism involved, no righteousness involved particularly. But notion of openness involved at the same time. That openness provides all kinds of groundwork for that particular working basis.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161728/file/293577#t=1887.0,2074.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161728/file/293577/transcript/85061/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 8]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: Getting back to desire, what would be the Buddhist definition of desire?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think, fundamentally, the definition of \"desire\" is \"creating one's own imprisonment.\" And often it is been used like a silk worm create its own thread to imprison itself.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: And after you've gone through the stage of discipline, you know, just like if you smoke cigarettes or something, you just stop. How-- where do you go from there? After you know, after you can discipline yourself, where do you take it from there?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Then further freedom. That you're freed from even that discipline. Which doesn't necessarily mean to say that you react radical view of getting back to your habits again, necessarily, but even free from notion of freedom. Because the notion of freedom, notion been saved or the savior situation becomes also problem at the same time. Because that in itself is too structured and too problematic.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161728/file/293577#t=2074.0,2166.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161728/file/293577/transcript/85061/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 9]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: Could you say something more about what you mentioned about nirvana being some sort of basic continuity in relationship particularly to practice orientation? How do you work with that? It seems that there's always possibility for viewing that, if you view it as a continuity, immediately being self-deceptive, sort of solidifying your whole practice situation.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, the continuity is constantly also continuity of impermanence. That when you feel there's continuity that means that the ground is destroyed. At the same time, destruction of the ground is also another ground at the same time. So there is constant ongoing changes taking place every minute of one's life. So, from that point of view, there's no particular real continuity, but there is some vague continuity as to that there is experience involved. That which is invaluable, extremely invaluable.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: Is somewhat the point then for it to almost remain in some sense vague, so that this idea of the ground being destroyed and also the ground being [INAUDIBLE] ?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, yeah. We could say that it's-- it might be contradictory but, however, that we could say that remain to be sharply vague. That you acknowledge everything what goes on. But, nevertheless, you don't put everything into pigeonhole. So sharply vague [laughing] from that point of view. Which is I suppose contradiction, but it somehow seems to work. [laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161728/file/293577#t=2166.0,2292.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161728/file/293577/transcript/85061/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 10]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: In working with cutting through entertainment, just at the nitty gritty quality when you're all alone and-- does there need to be a goal just to get through the hardness of it? You know, it's like breaking a heroin habit or something. And, at first, you have to have a goal just so you can get through the rough times?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I think that is not particular goal, particular project, but once one is get into the basics of one's whole being, those habits, whatever, heroin habits or whatever begin to fall apart by themselves. And, if you begin to make a project out of that, then that becomes a big project. And there is a lot of resentment and a lot of philosophizing and all kinds of aggressions and passions begin to take place. But, if one is able to get into one's basics of directly of what one is precisely, then all those other unnecessary detachment becomes unusable. That they fall apart.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: But you can't get into that basic being without cutting through the entertainments.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, that-- I mean, even that is a problem, you know. That cutting through is just sharp and direct cutting through rather than making the cutting through as big project -- you just do it. And one can do it; it's known to be done.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161728/file/293577#t=2292.0,2406.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161728/file/293577/transcript/85061/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 11]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: Would you say that it's better to devote oneself to the first spiritual discipline that you come across or to study various religions or spiritual disciplines and then choose which is the best path?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think it's both. It depends on your particular time and situation. As long as they don't become purely shopping for the sake of entertainment. And also too much ambition as to you want to achieve the best. But what is for you particularly, both could be workable.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: What kind of guidelines would you use for it?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: As that what is really does speaks for your innermost heart. Which makes sense to your particular type of psychological state and physical, emotional level. Which makes sense to you personally rather than what sounds best.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161728/file/293577#t=2406.0,2467.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161728/file/293577/transcript/85061/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: CLOSING REMARKS]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Probably we should close our discussion here. The discussion groups have be already worked out, has been written down there.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: The discussion groups [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161728/file/293577#t=2467.0,2491.42857"}]},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161728/file/293577/transcript/85062","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["19740411VCTR1-Captions [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161728/file/293577/transcript/85062/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ARP SLATE: This is the\nVenerable Chogyam\nTrungpa Rinpoche,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161728/file/293577#t=0.52,4.12"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161728/file/293577/transcript/85062/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"University of Colorado classes,\n1974 held in Boulder, Colorado.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161728/file/293577#t=4.12,9.4"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161728/file/293577/transcript/85062/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This is class number eight,\nThe Question of Nirvana,\nheld April 11th, 1974.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161728/file/293577#t=9.4,15.73"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161728/file/293577/transcript/85062/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This is an ARP\ndigital remaster made May 2007.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161728/file/293577#t=15.73,22.82"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161728/file/293577/transcript/85062/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ORIGINAL SLATE: University of\nColorado,\nApril 11th, 1974.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161728/file/293577#t=22.82,28.37"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161728/file/293577/transcript/85062/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Question of Nirvana.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161728/file/293577#t=28.37,33.4"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161728/file/293577/transcript/85062/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Seems tonight\nthe topic\nis \"The Question of 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