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Wisdom and confusion are the background, but latter is starting point experientially  Trungpa Rinpoche uses all kinds of terms to bring this vague, familiar, all-pervasive state of confusion into focus; at the same time it \"unnameable confusion.\"  Its comfort and familiarity work to perpetuate ego, sense of \"me.\" Presents logic as to how seeing it is stepping-stone to state of awareness.  A particularly rich Q\u0026amp;A, in which students ask pointed, detailed questions about what this state of confusion is, and how to work with it on the path."]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication"]},"value":{"en":["BOOK: Orderly Chaos","BOOK: Collected Works Vol 06"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication Details"]},"value":{"en":["BOOK: ORDERLY CHAOS: Part 2, Chapter 1: The Basic Ground\u003cbr\u003e\n-- from \u003ca href=\"https://www.shambhala.com/orderly-chaos-1128.html\"\u003eShambhala Publications\u003c/a\u003e\n\nBOOK: COLLECTED WORKS VOL 6 (in contained work ORDERLY CHAOS)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Transcription Credits"]},"value":{"en":["Jun 24 2023 to Apr 07 2024\nTranscribing: Ella Milligan\nChecking: Blaire Martin\nFinal Proof: Ruth Veleta\nOther Contributors: Lynn Friedman, Warner Dick"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["© Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced"]}},{"label":{"en":["Year"]},"value":{"en":["1974"]}}],"summary":{"en":["This opening talk on the five buddha families describes in visceral, detailed terms the \"primordial\"  ground of confusion that we all have, as the necessary starting point from which the five buddha family energies arise.  Wisdom and confusion are the background, but latter is starting point experientially  Trungpa Rinpoche uses all kinds of terms to bring this vague, familiar, all-pervasive state of confusion into focus; at the same time it \"unnameable confusion.\"  Its comfort and familiarity work to perpetuate ego, sense of \"me.\" Presents logic as to how seeing it is stepping-stone to state of awareness.  A particularly rich Q\u0026amp;A, in which students ask pointed, detailed questions about what this state of confusion is, and how to work with it on the path."]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["© Diana J. 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Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]\r\n\r\n\r\nARP SLATE: This is the Venerable Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, seminar entitled Mandala of the Five Buddha Families, held at Karme Choling, Vermont. This is talk number one, December 22nd, 1974. This is an ARP digital remaster made June 2007.\r\n\r\n\r\nORIGINAL SLATE: This is talk one of the seminar. It's given at Karme Choling. The Mandala of the Five Buddha Families, by Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, December 22nd, 1974.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154709/file/283808#t=0.0,34.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154709/file/283808/transcript/82203/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: MAIN TALK]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: The question of discussing principle of mandala and five buddha families, that I think it is necessary for us to realize the implication of that, in terms of psychological state and awareness throughout life. There are some points connected with that, is sort of serving of our being, first. Or the ground of the mandala principles, whatever you call it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154709/file/283808#t=34.0,112.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154709/file/283808/transcript/82203/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The five types of buddha principles are not particularly five separate entities, but they are one aspect manifested in five different situations. You can talk about the five different types of one basic energy -- its richness and its fertility and its intelligent and so forth. So basically we are talking about one intelligent, so to speak, or one energy. But there is a wide area of confusion and wisdom that takes place at the background of all the five principles. Either in a buddha or enlightened form, or else in a confused form, there is a basic pattern, which is common to all of that, is that is the potentiality of enlightenment and actual experience of confusion, pain, so forth.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154709/file/283808#t=112.0,223.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154709/file/283808/transcript/82203/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That we are here, experiencing our existence, our being. And if you look further, what is this? We could analyze in all kinds of fashions, all kinds of different ways, intellectually. But actually in terms of experience, we trying to find out what it's all about. It is hard to find actual experience of even clear confusion without colored by rest of the emotions, which is very hard. And there is a sense of uncertainty -- sense of uncertainty from point of view of existence or nonexistence, both being same thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154709/file/283808#t=223.0,297.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154709/file/283808/transcript/82203/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This is not particularly vague perception, but it is a very clear perception, but at the same time undefinably and un-apparently clear. And it's basically confusion. And that kind of confusion is all-pervasive confusion that happens throughout all life, in our waking hours and sleep. That there is a rich and a thick bank of uncertainty, and it's more or less unnameable rather than uncertainty particularly. That obviously if you could get into the religious terminologies, metaphysical terminologies, that we could say, we could call it a soul, or we could call it ego and godhead, or infinite numbers. But supposing if we don't use those terms, since we do not know exactly what those things mean.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154709/file/283808#t=297.0,380.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154709/file/283808/transcript/82203/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So if you look at directly as much as possible without any preconceptions or particular terminologies, labels, of anything, if you look at closely, it's the closest experience that we get is our sense of unnameable confusion. And that confusion is unique confusion because this doesn't have clear distinction that \"now I am confused\" at all. It’s even you can't define the terms as confusion. So that's kind of a nondual state of confusion that takes place throughout all life. Experience come out of that and dissipate into it, and energies rises, and emotions begin to appear, but takes place in this one, all-pervasive being or area.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154709/file/283808#t=380.0,464.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154709/file/283808/transcript/82203/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think this background is very important for us to realize the basic ground of everything, how it arises or how it doesn't arise. In the traditionally, in the tantric image that such experience is-- such state of being is referred as charnel ground, that place of birth and place of death. That some-- this particular place you come out of, this particular way you return. The modern concept of that is, I suppose, the hospitals, place you are born and place you are die. Anyhow, this gigantic hospital [laughs; laughter] that quite messy but unnameably messy, and nondual is the one point. That usually when we tend to think if there is no duality, no split, no schizophrenia, then you feel that this is some kind of a meditative state that you don't have anymore dualistic distinctions, so therefore everything must be okay. But somehow things doesn't work that level. Actually there seem to be a nondual samsara this point, which is an interesting point. And obviously if you follow the logic, that if you have to have duality or split personality, you have to have something at the background to begin with, which is one thing. Out of that, many comes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154709/file/283808#t=464.0,596.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154709/file/283808/transcript/82203/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And one of the interesting point is that somehow this particular basic confusion act as a sense of awareness throughout, all the time. And this is beyond purely human consciousness alone, but it covers throughout all the areas of animal, humans, and all the rest of existence. And somehow it is confused state, but this state doesn't seem to have any doubt, as such. As soon as when you begin to have doubt that then there is a play between back and forth. And this state is pervasive so there is no even room for doubt. And maybe this is the background for the doubt, but not in itself there is no doubt. It seem to be [laughs] big, gigantic state of \"blah.\" [Laughs; laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154709/file/283808#t=596.0,688.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154709/file/283808/transcript/82203/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"People have misunderstood this to being a mystical experience as we have mentioned, but maybe it-- this *is* mystical experience in some sense, because in order to-- unless you have some glimpses of your basic ignorant level, you can't have the glimpse of the rest of it. So from that point of view, finding the worst aspect of oneself is maybe the first glimpse of being better. And somehow that basic ground of mandala or five principles buddha nature in samsaric level as well as in nirvana level are both have a common relationship with this background.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154709/file/283808#t=688.0,743.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154709/file/283808/transcript/82203/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, we can talk lot about this I think, but better not create a further glamor to this particularly, since we have some ideas of it. And it would be probably better if you have chance to look into it further. And I should leave there and maybe a question period should begin.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154709/file/283808#t=743.0,792.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154709/file/283808/transcript/82203/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 1]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: Is this confusion the cloudy mind of the seventh state of consciousness?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think goes back more than that.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: But it manifests itself in this-- in the cloudy mind as well?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well this is the alaya level, which is more than seventh state. And it has some kind of texture of, obviously, of being, existence, but not cloudy in the sense of obstruction of vision or intelligent, but that would be a more perception level. In this case it is more of sort of clogged up, you know, basically, rather than projected and then overclouded with it. So this is more existential level. I mean that's why this could be so transparent. This could act as continual awareness of ego, constantly, of \"me.\" You know, that you have a feeling of \"me\", before you mention \"me\" that there is sense of this direction, before you actually define as somebody's referring to \"me\", you know, there is a sense of direction towards this area, and a sense of heaviness and solidity.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: When you’re holding back, that one's holding back-- always holding back something or pushing something?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No, I mean even before that, because this is kind of self-existing awareness. That you have automatic reference of you already. So you don't have to hold back particularly or, you know, project particularly. But before you do anything there is the first instant, which makes you start from here, rather than start from all over the place. You have a starting point somewhere. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154709/file/283808#t=792.0,949.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154709/file/283808/transcript/82203/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 2]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Is this then something that-- some tendency that is considered to carry with you from one life to another?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I suppose so, because the belief in the life is in itself is a grasping of being, yeah. Otherwise the continuity of life's thread is broken.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: So that-- I've heard some-- at some time a reference to ego being continuous over many lives. This is the sense that-- of that -- that it's somehow nondualistic but it's a tendency to identify me?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, well there is that the chain reaction, which is basically broken chain reaction, but it's obviously chain, which is one interlinks with another one, constantly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154709/file/283808#t=949.0,1027.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154709/file/283808/transcript/82203/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 3]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: I even feel at a little loss to be able to ask questions about this. It seems sort of vague to me. Is this confusion something that we're also aware of in our own lives personally, and is it also connected to some kind of more primordial confusion that we pass through each time we come into another life?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I think we're aware of it, not as a very clear definition, in terms of concept and ideas particularly, but it is, as you said, a primordial one. It's the first cause of reactions, you know the first activator or first ground, which activation could come from.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: And that activation brings us into this form that we call body and mind and--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. And \"this\" and \"that\", to begin with, you know, and \"me\" and \"mine.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154709/file/283808#t=1027.0,1095.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154709/file/283808/transcript/82203/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 4]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: I'm a little unclear at this point about the idea of duality and the seventh-- and the eighth consciousness. It would seem that what you're talking about must be a relative nonduality, in terms of, say, the dharmakaya would be the sort of unconditioned energy, nondual energy. And you seem to be referring to, let's say, if that wasn't based on ego, what you are talking about seems to be based on an ego notion, something to do with our mind or an ego-based perception. And how can that be nondual when you talk about nonduality from the point of view of the *ultimate* nonduality? I mean is there a kind of a relevant-- a relative nondual point of view?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I mean the reference point are-- exist because of sake of reference point, I suppose. And as far as this particular state is concerned it is seemingly nondual, because the definition of duality is based on idea of perceiving \"that\" because of \"this.\" And this particular level, this particular ignorance, does not even have the facilities to separate. Not because of so highly unified with all the energies like the dharmakaya or enlightened nonduality, but this is primitively nondual, because you know hasn't developed that level -- it's so kind of, sort of primordial.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Sort of embryonic duality?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Primeval -- it's like an amoeba, you know, something like that. It's kind of very low level of intelligent, therefore it has a sense of awareness in it as well. It's very-- it's level of grain of sand.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154709/file/283808#t=1095.0,1257.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154709/file/283808/transcript/82203/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 5]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: So this level of consciousness can never really recognize itself? It has no sort of self-consciousness?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's right, it doesn't have self-consciousness, *in a sense*, but at the same time it has a trust in oneself, because it feels somewhat homey and, you know, and easy to operate from those basis, you know. If you are in the doubt you just blank yourself, then you proceed beyond that, you know. It's very convenient, some sense, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154709/file/283808#t=1257.0,1296.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154709/file/283808/transcript/82203/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 6]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: Were you just suggesting the possibility of, you know, some manipulation in terms of it that you could, you know, when you're in doubt you could blank yourself or--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well it's not exactly manipulation but that's best you can do. You know if you feel uncertain you go back to the source. That usually does, you know. If you're lost a job in somewhere else you come back to your hometown, you know, you stay with your mummy and daddy for a while.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: Could you say that the feeling of this is some-- you know, would-- is something like let's say like audially, like a fan is going on, you know, all the time in the room? You're not particularly noticing it, except when there's enough space that you can just hear that fan and it's sort of like background noise of awareness?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. [Clock falls off the wall]; [ laughter; laughs] Dharma music still goes on. [Laughs; laughter] Yeah. [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154709/file/283808#t=1296.0,1391.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154709/file/283808/transcript/82203/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 7]\r\n\r\n\r\nROBIN KORNMAN: Every once in a while I read in a book a description of some mystical experience, or somebody tells you that they dissolved, \"there was no me, no body, just a big void,\" all sorts of things like that. Is it possible that any of these are experiences of this?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I don't think anything to do with the word that's mentioned in the book, but it's terms of perceiver, reader of the book. And it depends on the reader's level of far-gone-ness, [laughter] how far you reach. And I think it is possible that you just manage to hit just purely this level, and not getting beyond it. And that's, is the same thing that being said about doing a tantric practice of visualization without having a glimpse of shunyata meditation would lead to a--\r\n\r\n\r\n[Clock falls again; laughter;\r\n\r\n\r\nlaughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nWell, it would lead to ego. I think it's a question of how it depends on... [laughter] It depends on how far is your level of fundamental clarity and luminosity. And you could have a state of nonfunctional nondual, and maybe void, but without any light, you know. Which doesn't say very much. It's state of a deep coma.\r\n\r\n\r\nROBIN KORNMAN: Well, that would be where your clarity had broken down, or you'd just gone away from it so far?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I mean if there is no clarity, it seems that the voidness or the emptiness of shunyata automatically occurred where there is some sense of clarity at the same time. And otherwise that things would be just purely state of stupidity. And I think this is the seed for that reason why five buddha principles does exist, such principles could exist. Because those principles are our statement of clarity in the different areas. That you have the vajra-like clarity, and the ratna-like, padma-like, karma-like, buddha-like, and all the energies are a state of clarity and luminosity.\r\n\r\n\r\nROBIN KORNMAN: You mean that perception of these different qualities of energy is a state of clarity?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nROBIN KORNMAN: So you couldn't have the experience of just skipping stages in your sense of development of clarity and ending up in a clear experience of shunyata?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I-- it's possible, but I don't think that's very healthy, and you can finally completely overwhelmed by such brilliantness, which makes it more blind. [Laughs] It's like somebody switched on the sun at midnight. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154709/file/283808#t=1391.0,1678.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154709/file/283808/transcript/82203/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 8]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: [INAUDIBLE] that experience, to become blind then and hopelessly lost in a sea of confusion. Is there any way, through normal means I would assume, to somehow discover what that light is?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Light?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: The clarity of the levels.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. Well I think obviously there got to be something; otherwise there's no relationship between the two worlds, so to speak. But the only way seem to be is a sense of breaking through the level of comfort that your stupidity is feel. You know, when you are in a level of there's such stupidity, there is a sense of comfort, sense of indulgence-y. So I suppose the first step is becoming homeless. You have nowhere to go back.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: Does this mean that reaching a certain point of despair is essential?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think so, yes. Well it's-- it is been said. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154709/file/283808#t=1678.0,1788.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154709/file/283808/transcript/82203/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 9]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: When you say despair, in what sense would this be? That you actually feel that there's no way out of your neuroses, or does it come from a feeling that there's a possibility of working with it?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I suppose you do feel possibilities of working with it, but not question of trying;, you have a potentialities of shaking whole thing out completely. And also a sense of despair as temporary inconvenience, is because that you can't return back to your cozy, stupid home. 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Is there any sense to that?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: There is no particular sense to that -- it's just organically happened that way. And somehow that everything's breaks into four sections, as well as the, you know, the middle one. And like we have four directions -- you could invent numerous directions but that the logic of four directions is based on a logic of hundred directions based on the four directions. And it's just how things work. And there is perception, you know, and there is appreciation of that. And there are obviously in the tantric text that there are hundred families and, you know, sometimes there's 999 families, which are exaggerated form of the five principles. And doesn't have to be five particularly, but that's close as you can get. It's sort of a baker's dozen. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: It's not so much the concepts that describe, you know, this state, but it's working with the concepts that ultimately describes the state accurately?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well experiencing them, somewhat, at least is some hint of it. And then it becomes real, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154709/file/283808#t=1845.0,1974.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154709/file/283808/transcript/82203/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 11]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: Is this awareness-- did you describe it as \"home\" in opposition to our normal, everyday awareness as the \"stupid home\"? I mean is this like, you know like, fundamental home-ness? Is that what you were just saying?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I mean that's the closest to we can come back to, is kind of we can reduce ourselves into deaf and dumb. And you don't have to pay attention to too many things, just simplify everything into one livable situation, you know. That's-- I mean that's, if you look at from one angle, that's the concept of home is, that you can shut off the rest of world outside, come back and have a dinner and go to sleep, you know. [Laughs] It's kind of a primitive version, is nest or something.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: So this is more like being out there is the home?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Is more demanding.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154709/file/283808#t=1974.0,2040.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154709/file/283808/transcript/82203/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 12]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: Is what you're speaking of even pre-personal, though? So that it's behind-- if I speak of myself or think of myself as having a meal and going to sleep and I'm feeling like a bear, I'm home, that's very personal. That's me doing it. Are-- this-- would you [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, this is before that. That's right, that's right. Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: I have an image sometimes of being inside of a rock, which would clearly be pre-this.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: It's that kind of state.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's right, yes, yes. That's-- I mean that's why it is vague, in some sense, you know, it is unnameable. It doesn't have manifested in expressions of anything.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154709/file/283808#t=2040.0,2086.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154709/file/283808/transcript/82203/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 13]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: One other question. I have a sense of despair for myself or pain coming from the realization that I can't go back to that level of stupidity again. It's like I'm stuck at this mediocre stage.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: Does that make sense in terms of how you use the word \"despair\"? That one can't return?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think so. In some sense I think it depends on people's reactions. That either some people would have-- would like to go back because then it is much easier because have done before already. It's been pre-rehearsed. And some sense, you know, for some people, that's true-- too much to do it again, all over again. I think that's level of one's intelligent and how much one is, you know, predominantly gone sour to that. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154709/file/283808#t=2086.0,2152.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154709/file/283808/transcript/82203/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 14]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: In CUTTING THROUGH [SPIRITUAL MATERIALISM], in the chapter on shunyata, you spoke of samsaric mentality in relation to shunyata. And that doesn't seem as stupid as nondual samsara, but it sort of seems like the same thing. I'm not sure what you mean by the concept of samsaric mentality.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I think that's just question of feeling of \"me\", this [places hand on his chest] direction, sort of primordial ego, you know. Which is described in the-- I think in the book, as threefold ignorance, we talked about. And that's the-- one of the first one is the ignorance of being. Yeah. This is question of in the state of being and the primordial existence.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: But to speak of samsaric mentality in relation to shunyata, it doesn't really make sense to me. Because it seems like-- well, it doesn't seem like a really samsaric thing. [INAUDIBLE]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I mean, it's some sense it is very refined version of it, of samsara. In some sense it is a very crude version of it, you know, it's both, in some sense. And reason why this is categorized as samsaric level is because whole idea of this is based on idea of preservation of oneself -- you know whether it is refined job or whether it is crude job, you know, preservation of one's existence. And it is pro-ego, definitely, you know, that even unconsciously it is pro-ego and it is connected with building something up rather than letting go.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: But in a sense you have to go through that stage before you go [INAUDIBLE]--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Sure, yeah, yeah. I'm not talking about, you know, bypassing any particular-- that's why we talked about at least today, otherwise we don't have to [laughing] talk about it, if that doesn't have anything to do with us, terms of the path. So, from that point of view this act as a kind of stepping-stone and, you know, working basis, background. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154709/file/283808#t=2152.0,2324.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154709/file/283808/transcript/82203/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: CLOSING REMARKS]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Perhaps we could adjourn this point so we could have another time.\r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. 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life.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154709/file/283808#t=60.55,71.82"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154709/file/283808/transcript/82204/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There are some points\nconnected with that,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154709/file/283808#t=77.41,85.5"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154709/file/283808/transcript/82204/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"is sort of serving\nof our being, 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