{"@context":"http://iiif.io/api/presentation/3/context.json","id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/iiif/gm81j9874d/manifest","type":"Manifest","label":{"en":["1983-08-09: Christian-Buddhist Conference: Comparing the Heart: A Dialogue with Thomas Keating and Chogyam Trungpa"]},"logo":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/209/original/cti-library-logo-blue-text.png?1672724952","metadata":[{"label":{"en":["Date"]},"value":{"en":["1983-08-09"]}},{"label":{"en":["Format"]},"value":{"en":["Audio"]}},{"label":{"en":["Location"]},"value":{"en":["Boulder, Colorado, USA"]}},{"label":{"en":["Event Type"]},"value":{"en":["Interview"]}},{"label":{"en":["Seminar or Series Title"]},"value":{"en":["\u003ca href=\"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/playlists/242/show\"\u003eNaropa Institute: Christian-Buddhist Conferences\u003c/a\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Talk Title"]},"value":{"en":["Comparing the Heart: A Dialogue with Thomas Keating and Chogyam Trungpa"]}},{"label":{"en":["Theme"]},"value":{"en":["Interfaith Dialog"]}},{"label":{"en":["Summary"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eAn exchange between Trappist monk Father Thomas Keating and Trungpa Rinpoche, as the closing presentation of 1983 Christian Buddhist Conference. Father Keating describes Thomas Merton's experience in Asia with Buddhism, and his own experiences with Zen masters and other forms of Buddhism, and how he is trying to make the connections between Christ and Buddha, whether they represent \"two distinct paths\" or are complementary. He and Trungpa Rinpoche discuss notions of \"self\" or \"ego\" in both traditions. Father Keating observes that the spiritual dimension is missing in the emerging global world, that it might be valuable for contemplative religious traditions to identify common understandings and bring values society desperately needs, to which Trungpa Rinpoche agrees. They discuss importance of \"listening deeply\" -- \"obaudire\" in Latin; \"ka', in Kagyu tradition, which is defined as \"the lineage of those who listen properly.\" Father Keating discusses the practice of silence in his tradition. Asks Trungpa Rinpoche to define \"egolessness\", which he says is what produces passion, aggression, and ignorance, and \"that which holds to itself unreasonably.\" Ego can transform into being awake, compassionate, and genuine. Trungpa Rinpoche describes Christ as \"sunshine\" and Buddha as \"sky\", but first one has to experience nothingness, non-existence. Father Keating asks Trungpa Rinpoche to describe ineffable experience of reality, or enlightenment. Trungpa Rinpoche says it is \"ordinary mind.\" Father Keating concludes by asking how the state of \"no-self\" happens in Buddhist tradition, and Trungpa Rinpoche says by mixing one's mind with the teacher's mind, which is \"lineage.\"\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication"]},"value":{"en":["BOOK: Speaking of Silence","BOOK: Collected Works Vol 02"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication Details"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eBOOK: SPEAKING OF SILENCE: Chapter 5: Views of Self and Ego: Proclamation of Egolessness (excerpt from this talk)\u003cbr\u003e-- from \u003ca href=\"https://www.kalapamedia.org/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=BZX282\"\u003eKalapa Media\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eBOOK: COLLECTED WORKS VOL 02: Selected Writings: Comparing the Heart (pp 593-600)\u003cbr\u003e-- from \u003ca href=\"https://www.shambhala.com/the-collected-works-of-chogyam-trungpa-383.html\"\u003eShambhala Publications\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Transcription Credits"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eJun 25 2022 to Oct 12 2022 Transcribing: Ella Milligan Checking: Anne Seidlitz Final Proof: Anne Seidlitz Other Contributors: Lynn Friedman, Warner Dick\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["© Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved. Not to be Distributed or Reproduced."]}},{"label":{"en":["Year"]},"value":{"en":["1983"]}}],"summary":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eAn exchange between Trappist monk Father Thomas Keating and Trungpa Rinpoche, as the closing presentation of 1983 Christian Buddhist Conference. Father Keating describes Thomas Merton's experience in Asia with Buddhism, and his own experiences with Zen masters and other forms of Buddhism, and how he is trying to make the connections between Christ and Buddha, whether they represent \"two distinct paths\" or are complementary. He and Trungpa Rinpoche discuss notions of \"self\" or \"ego\" in both traditions. Father Keating observes that the spiritual dimension is missing in the emerging global world, that it might be valuable for contemplative religious traditions to identify common understandings and bring values society desperately needs, to which Trungpa Rinpoche agrees. They discuss importance of \"listening deeply\" -- \"obaudire\" in Latin; \"ka', in Kagyu tradition, which is defined as \"the lineage of those who listen properly.\" Father Keating discusses the practice of silence in his tradition. Asks Trungpa Rinpoche to define \"egolessness\", which he says is what produces passion, aggression, and ignorance, and \"that which holds to itself unreasonably.\" Ego can transform into being awake, compassionate, and genuine. Trungpa Rinpoche describes Christ as \"sunshine\" and Buddha as \"sky\", but first one has to experience nothingness, non-existence. Father Keating asks Trungpa Rinpoche to describe ineffable experience of reality, or enlightenment. Trungpa Rinpoche says it is \"ordinary mind.\" Father Keating concludes by asking how the state of \"no-self\" happens in Buddhist tradition, and Trungpa Rinpoche says by mixing one's mind with the teacher's mind, which is \"lineage.\"\u003c/p\u003e"]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["© Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved. Not to be Distributed or Reproduced."]}},"provider":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["Chogyam Trungpa Digital Library"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["Chogyam Trungpa Digital Library"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/209/original/cti-library-logo-blue-text.png?1672724952","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/168/931/small/Logo-Audio-Red.png?1666559692","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76227/file/168931","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 1 - 19830809VCTR2-Audio-Prod-CTIAutoRmstr-Access.mp3"]},"duration":2387.04325,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/168/931/small/Logo-Audio-Red.png?1666559692","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76227/file/168931/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76227/file/168931/content/1/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-cti.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/168/931/original/19830809VCTR2-Audio-Prod-CTIAutoRmstr-Access.mp3?1666559670","type":"Audio","format":"audio/mpeg","duration":2387.04325,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76227/file/168931","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76227/file/168931/transcript/41135","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["19830809VCTR2-Transcript-Timed [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76227/file/168931/transcript/41135/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[19830809VCTR2 - Christian-Buddhist Conference - Comparing the Heart] \r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]\r\n\r\n\r\nCTI SLATE: This is the Venerable Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, Naropa Institute, Christian-Buddhist Conference, Comparing the Heart: A Dialogue with Thomas Keating and Chogyam Trungpa, recorded in Boulder, Colorado on August 9th, 1983. This is a CTI auto-remaster made June, 2022.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76227/file/168931#t=0.0,25.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76227/file/168931/transcript/41135/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 1]\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER THOMAS KEATING: [UNCLEAR: which were?] equally impressed--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes, one doesn't want to particularly, or exaggerate--\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER THOMAS KEATING: No, I don't think you should do that.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --or make it as a kind of a news broadcast--\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER THOMAS KEATING: No.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --type. And one of the fathers visited us, in Denver actually; I have visited him; they were checking on me, so to speak.\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER THOMAS KEATING: What-- who were these people? Do you know where they came from?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: From his monastery...\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER THOMAS KEATING: Oh, in Gethsemani?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER THOMAS KEATING: Oh yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER THOMAS KEATING: But we weren't think-- planning to pursue that discussion, I don't think.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76227/file/168931#t=25.0,81.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76227/file/168931/transcript/41135/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 2]\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER THOMAS KEATING: No, it's rather the remarks about the-- which I appreciated very much, the idea of the contribution a contemplative path can make towards -- if I understood you, I know it's been a long afternoon or a long day, think you are-- its influence on world peace or harmony, in that area, because... I have a feeling that it's precisely this spiritual quality of the contemplative path that is missing in the present emerging global society, where we see interaction on every level: travel, communication, science, education. But the one thing that is missing in that gradually emerging world community and sharing is the spiritual dimension. Which seems to me could be the catalyst for all the others, and to bring about-- and that the religious traditions, especially the contemplative path, in all the religions, if they could identify what is their common understanding--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER THOMAS KEATING: --of the *ultimate* experience, or at least a *transpersonal* experience beyond the argumentations of reason.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76227/file/168931#t=81.0,162.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76227/file/168931/transcript/41135/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FATHER THOMAS KEATING: That this-- these are the values that society could-- desperately needs to hear--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER THOMAS KEATING: --and if they-- if the religions of the world are always arguing about it, this deeper message, which is so healing and so fundamental never coming through.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well that's the word \"catholic\" means.\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER THOMAS KEATING: Universal.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Universal.\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER THOMAS KEATING: Yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76227/file/168931#t=162.0,186.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76227/file/168931/transcript/41135/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FATHER THOMAS KEATING: And that's why I feel that your thoughts are very much at home, in your remark that it is the contemplative path of whatever, in whatever tradition--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER THOMAS KEATING: That is a kind of hidden treasure. But so many people are hungering for this hidden treasure, that we must make every effort to try to make it known, and that even the making it known to each other is a contribution--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER THOMAS KEATING: --because it makes-- I'm sure it made you, as a Buddhist on the contemplative path, feel a certain joy to find in someone from another tradition something of your own experience of the ultimate.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER THOMAS KEATING: Just as he spoke about his delight in meeting, in Asia, people who he felt at once were his friends or long-lost, or long *sought* -- shares in his own realization in other words.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76227/file/168931#t=186.0,258.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76227/file/168931/transcript/41135/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 3]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think the one of the main point is practicing the disciplines properly. And I have witnessed lot of churches starting youth group, and playing jazz on Sunday, and just interject little bit of spirituality, but most of them is a youth group. And they feel guilty introducing a religion, spirituality. And I feel disheartened about *that*. And what I want to see is actual *practice* of discipline. Whatever the practice, the discipline becomes one of the *main* point of realization, of discovering God, or enlightenment, or whatever terms we might use. And there is a lot of apology that goes on. Which is disheartening. And for instance \"we have too many saints, so lot of them are being removed.\"\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER THOMAS KEATING: [Laughs] Well hopefully there's a few more to take their place--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER THOMAS KEATING: --in the kind of tradition that you were speaking of.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76227/file/168931#t=258.0,408.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76227/file/168931/transcript/41135/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 4]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. And Latin has been transferred into native languages, because in Latin, as far as I see it, has magic. And Greek or Russian...\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER THOMAS KEATING: Those ancient liturgical languages, of course they have a-- had a very great beauty and a great richness of spiritual teaching, and a lot of that got lost in the transition between the ancient languages and the vernacular of today.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: There is shy of language, and elocution of that particular language, that we are talking about. And in fact, lately I've been re-introducing *English* language to our students, so they could speak *good* English. So they could speak good dharma, good Buddhism. And our translations--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76227/file/168931#t=408.0,509.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76227/file/168931/transcript/41135/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: AUDIO ISSUES]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: We're having an audio problem.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: Excuse me, I want to just-- if you would-- do you hear any static, on the line, at all?\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER THOMAS KEATING: No.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: Okay.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Maybe the Russians are coming in. The Russians coming in. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: I hope not. I think it's fine. Okay. If we could continue with what you were saying.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Okay.\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER THOMAS KEATING: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Okay. Maybe you might-- could put up treble [sic] -- what you call a--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: Tripod?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Tripod?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No, no, the-- opposed to bass.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: Treble.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: We can do that later on when we're--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: It sounds pretty good right at the moment.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76227/file/168931#t=509.0,559.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76227/file/168931/transcript/41135/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 5]\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER THOMAS KEATING: Could I ask you if in relation to good language, from the point of view of discipline, the value of silence in dialogue with language is not also an important part of discipline? In other words the capacity to listen, to be open to the teacher. To obey in other words, which means in Latin to \"listen deeply\", so that one can respond from a depth of hearing, that involves the gift of one's whole being to be-- to the teaching or the teacher, as the case may be.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: How do you say it in Latin?\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER THOMAS KEATING: \"Obaudire\" is the term, that became \"obedience.\"\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's same as \"ka.\" Can you take a note - \"ka\"?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Ka.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: On \"o\"...\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: First \"ka\"?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No, it was what--\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER THOMAS KEATING: \"Obaudire.\" O-b-a-u-d-i-r-e. \"To listen thoroughly,\" is what that could be translated as. Or \"deeply.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76227/file/168931#t=559.0,642.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76227/file/168931/transcript/41135/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That is the meaning of our lineage. And our lineage is called \"Ka-gyu\". And \"ka\" means either \"command\", or \"listen deeply\", or \"take it in, in your heart.\"\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER THOMAS KEATING: Yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: And \"gyu\" means \"the lineage of those who listens properly.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76227/file/168931#t=642.0,678.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76227/file/168931/transcript/41135/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FATHER THOMAS KEATING: That's wonderful because there's-- as you are aware, in the Trappist tradition from which I come, silence is the concrete value that is given the predominance based in our tradition, in the practice. A strict rule of silence is in-- was an honor when I first entered the monastery. It has been mitigated in some degree so that it is not absolute, but it still remains one of the primary disciplines of present day life. And it's becomes a context in which to meditate. Because you come to the meditation, or the contemplative practice, already somewhat prepared by the atmosphere of silence and peace, in a community of people seeking the same ultimate vision.\r\n\r\n\r\nAnd so in the tradition of contemplative prayer that we come out of, it is this going beyond images, and forms, and then coming out of that to try to express the peace or the integration that begins to form over a long practice, in fraternal charity and union, or working for a living [laughs], and relating to the community.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76227/file/168931#t=678.0,773.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76227/file/168931/transcript/41135/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 6]\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER THOMAS KEATING: I noticed that in *this* community you emphasize *very strongly* hospitality. I have never been treated so well in any community as in this one, where two assistants take care of you all the time in a wonderful house, a private family with whom the faculty stay and all kinds of consideration. People putting themselves out -- it just is-- I-- it makes the heart feel good. Because this is really what we understand too by Christian charity, but I don't-- I've never seen it done so *well* as here! I really have a heartfelt admiration for that spirit in the community, of gratitude, openness. It seems to me that's the fruit of good practice.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76227/file/168931#t=773.0,827.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76227/file/168931/transcript/41135/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well in Buddhism there's a word called, Sanskrit, \"dana\", d-a-n-a. Which is, in the Indo-European language, it's same as \"donation.\" Dana. And that is \"generosity.\" Which means giving *in*. And when people begin to practice, they first supposedly, in old days, they open hand and close their palms. So you know how to give, how to realize the stinginess, by opening, closing your hand. And that is also connected with the notion of devotion, and appreciation of the sacredness. That sacredness is not purely a religious concept alone, but it is general openness; how to open. And how to kiss somebody. And how to express the notion of giving. And at that point, giving yourself as well: not the gift alone, giving yourself. So, it becomes a general sense of kindness, and the real meaning of voluntary. Giving something without expecting anything in return. And usually when you give something you expect some reward, but in this case you don't expect anything to be rewarded. And that is the idea of meditation posture: when you sit in meditation you open your arm, on your palms; you just open. And I think that has a lot of contribution to the Western world. That you are not conducting your religious practice in a sort of business fashion, [laughs] that God should give you something, because you did good for God. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76227/file/168931#t=827.0,1120.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76227/file/168931/transcript/41135/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FATHER THOMAS KEATING: Yes, there's a certain amount of that in some religious exercises; if the reward isn't forthcoming some people think something's wrong and they give up the whole thing.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76227/file/168931#t=1120.0,1135.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76227/file/168931/transcript/41135/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 7]\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER THOMAS KEATING: But that disposition of devotion is exactly what is meant by true charity, which is not self-seeking but self-giving, and-- But along with that, in the meditation practices they're not in-- in the Buddhist practice this important development of a habit of dedication, that is of determination, of resolution to continue the practice, to submit to its growing pains, and to the direction of the guru, or the master. Is not devotion another quality that's almost as essential as devotion, to keep on the path? Like the two banks of a river, that enable the energy of the-- both spiritual energy and energy of the psychological unconscious as it begins to emerge through the process of meditation, to flow through these two banks, and not to blow you away by flood and sweep everything away. So with the practice itself enables you to have a stable or skillful means, of directing that energy to efforts that are really constructive. In introducing that energy to service of others, and to further development of consciousness.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes. And also it is connected with the idea of giving one's ego -- egomania.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76227/file/168931#t=1135.0,1254.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76227/file/168931/transcript/41135/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 8]\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER THOMAS KEATING: Yes. Could you distinguish that word \"ego\"? I like to use it too in discussing but it has a precise psychological meaning, and sometimes people hearing it don't quite understand the meaning that it has in meditation, as a kind of self-identity. In other words for the psychologist the ego is an *entity*--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER THOMAS KEATING: --one's self-consciousness crystalized in a kind of identity, over and against other people.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER THOMAS KEATING: And egoless-*ness* is very difficult for-- to-- is not really understood in the psychological context today. So-- by ego exactly what-- how would you kind of describe what it means in Buddhist meditation, in order to avoid the [INAUDIBLE]?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76227/file/168931#t=1254.0,1310.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76227/file/168931/transcript/41135/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think the basic notion is: \"that which produces aggression, passion, and ignorant.\" And ego is not regarded as particularly \"devil's work\" [laughs]. And ego could be transformed--\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER THOMAS KEATING: Yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --into awake, and... compassionate, and genuine, at the same time. But ego what we are talking here, is \"that which hold to itself unreasonably.\" And the English word \"ego-centered\", for instance, or \"egomaniac\", actually--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76227/file/168931#t=1310.0,1430.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76227/file/168931/transcript/41135/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 9]\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER THOMAS KEATING: Is there an ego that's un-centered?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER THOMAS KEATING: There is?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER THOMAS KEATING: And what name would you give to that? Egolessness?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Egolessness, yes, or shunyata.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76227/file/168931#t=1430.0,1454.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76227/file/168931/transcript/41135/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FATHER THOMAS KEATING: Yes. Let me ask this [laughing] question which maybe a confusion of terms, but this-- when one has shed this ego-centeredness, with its aggression, and so-- and selfish self-seeking, in whatever form, there is still an identity left which perhaps may be very good; and this is experienced as self-control, and goodness towards others, or even union with God. And yet that which is in union with God is a self, that is a self-conscious, personal self. Well now is egolessness-- does egolessness-- is that a further stage of that journey in which even a *good* ego, a transformed ego, ceases to exist, and begins to experience what the Zen people at least call, the Zen Buddhists, \"no self?\"\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I think at this point we have reached the key point, and it-- the egoless means, there is no ego *at all*.\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER THOMAS KEATING: That's what I thought it meant, so I'm glad to have that clarification.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: There is--\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER THOMAS KEATING: --and this is not understood in modern psychology *at all*.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76227/file/168931#t=1454.0,1537.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76227/file/168931/transcript/41135/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 10]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: And union with God cannot take place with *any* form ego, none whatsoever. And in order to be... with God, one has to become formless. Then you will see a god, or *the* God, whatever.\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER THOMAS KEATING: Mhmm. This is the point I was trying to make for Christians, in quoting the words of Christ on the cross, in which his sense of *personal* relationship with God, as son, seems to have disappeared. And many interpreters say, oh well, it was only temporary, and so on.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76227/file/168931#t=1537.0,1597.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76227/file/168931/transcript/41135/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FATHER THOMAS KEATING: But I'm inclined to think in the light of the Buddhist experience that he was passing into this stage, beyond the personal self, however holy and incredibly beautiful that self was--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER THOMAS KEATING: --and that-- *that* is the primary Christian experience too, because Christ has called us, as Christians to-- not just to accept him as savior, but to follow the process which brought him to that state of consciousness.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76227/file/168931#t=1597.0,1631.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76227/file/168931/transcript/41135/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes. Well, Christ could be said as like sunshine, and God could be said as like sky. Blue sky. And in order to experience either one of them, you have to have *without* sun first, and then you begin to develop with the dawn.\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER THOMAS KEATING: Yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: And then you begin to experience sun shines, sky becomes blue. First you have to have nothingness, non-existence.\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER THOMAS KEATING: Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76227/file/168931#t=1631.0,1700.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76227/file/168931/transcript/41135/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 11]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It's like jumping out of parachute, and first you have to experience space, and then your parachute begin to open. And then you jump out of airplane, which is gone by then.\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER THOMAS KEATING: Yes. But then out of that nothingness begins to emerge a new life which is not one's own, that at least is without a self, but which is--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's right.\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER THOMAS KEATING: --united with everything else that is.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER THOMAS KEATING: That's a similar experience in Buddhism. And this is our understanding of Christ in his glory, that he is so at *one* with the ultimate reality, that he has completely merged into it--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76227/file/168931#t=1700.0,1765.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76227/file/168931/transcript/41135/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: In order to be ultimate you have to be non.\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER THOMAS KEATING: Nun?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Non. Nonexistence.\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER THOMAS KEATING: Well, that's the ultimate ultimate, okay [laughs]?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER THOMAS KEATING: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76227/file/168931#t=1765.0,1786.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76227/file/168931/transcript/41135/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 12]\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER THOMAS KEATING: But how would you articulate something of course that really can't be articulated but can only be communicated maybe by spiritual communication, or interior enlightenment of some kind, how-- but-- are there any words that you could point to that ineffable experience in which realty is the same in oneself and in everyone else, and that--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER THOMAS KEATING: --and that action and-- emerges out of the present moment, without reflection, as the-- that sort of shows one what-- how one should relate spontaneously, without thinking, to every moment of life?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76227/file/168931#t=1786.0,1839.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76227/file/168931/transcript/41135/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's called \"ordinary mind.\"\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER THOMAS KEATING: Yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It's not glorious, particularly. It's *so* ordinary.\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER THOMAS KEATING: Couldn't be more ordinary.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: *Very* ordinary.\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER THOMAS KEATING: Yes, it's like that fanning yourself on a hot day. Very sacred, very profound [Trungpa Rinpoche laughs], but such consciousness.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [Laughs] Ordinary mind. *Very* ordinary. Almost nothing. Not almost, even. Just *so* ordinary.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76227/file/168931#t=1839.0,1880.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76227/file/168931/transcript/41135/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 13]\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER THOMAS KEATING: So what changes then to bring this about? Reality doesn't change; it's just that we cease to be a self in this-- in the possessive sense of the word, or self-consciousness--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: *Everything* changes.\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER THOMAS KEATING: --ceases.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: *Everything* changes. And when you see sunshine, it's a different kind of sunshine.\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER THOMAS KEATING: Are you looking at yourself, when you see the sunshine, in that state?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No--\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER THOMAS KEATING: Are you-- or is the sunshine--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: The sunshine come to *you*.\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER THOMAS KEATING: Yes. In other words the sunshine is looking at itself, in you.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Itself, yes. That's why it's called ordinary mind. And often it is known as \"one taste.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76227/file/168931#t=1880.0,1930.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76227/file/168931/transcript/41135/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 14]\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER THOMAS KEATING: Well is there not a terrible sense of loneliness, or nothingness, that one has to pass through to enter into that-- to really *taste* no-self and nothingness, and then to emerge into this higher unity with all that is, as if it was the-- all reality was kind of manifesting itself in some mysterious way, in the ordinary-- most ordinary things of everyday life?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think so. I think you said it.\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER THOMAS KEATING: How can you *help* someone in that state?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Bring them into ordinary state.\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER THOMAS KEATING: In other words when there's nothing, no self to look at within, and no-- since there's no self there's no personal God, or nobody else in a sense.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER THOMAS KEATING: There's no relation with anybody else. And I imagine that even one's relation to food and the pleasures of drink or beautiful music, all of a sudden everything becomes kind of the same, in that sort of tunnel.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Absolutely. Absolutely.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76227/file/168931#t=1930.0,1999.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76227/file/168931/transcript/41135/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 15]\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER THOMAS KEATING: And so what do you do with that? How do you live without a self? Before it become-- opens out into this new higher life and so--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You just do it. That's what's called \"old dog\" mentality.\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER THOMAS KEATING: Oh, what a beautiful expression! [Laughs] \"Old dog\"-- And an old dog--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Just sleeps.\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER THOMAS KEATING: Meaning, it just sort of exists.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER THOMAS KEATING: It sleeps through it as best he can. Yes, I've seen-- we have an old dog at the monastery [laughs]; it's a marvelous image to remember.\r\n\r\n\r\nBut... the one question I was trying to articulate -- this is kind of a \"toughie\" [laughs], on this level. Let me see if I can remember, or put it into words that would-- [sound of tape change]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76227/file/168931#t=1999.0,2064.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76227/file/168931/transcript/41135/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: TAPE CHANGE]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: While you think of that, let me put in a tape here.\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER THOMAS KEATING: You're not getting tired I hope?\r\n\r\n\r\n[GAP IN AUDIO]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: --could end as soon as we can today. See if they can--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: Okay, can we just fin-- let finish with this one question of Father Keating?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: I think it's really up to you Sir; if you'd like to pursue this further that would be fine.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. Well, we could have one explosion [laughter], and then we can go. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER THOMAS KEATING: When you turned that on, if-- let me just see if I had jotted down that question, because my poor head is a little tired after a long day.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76227/file/168931#t=2064.0,2123.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76227/file/168931/transcript/41135/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 16]\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER THOMAS KEATING: In the state of ordinary mind, would he suffer anything? Because without a self, there's nothing to suffer.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No suffering. There are lots of pleasure. And sometimes the pleasure might become suffering, but it doesn't bother.\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER THOMAS KEATING: But what would be the reaction of someone in that state, in case they-- because of external circumstances, or persecution. Or as in the case of Jesus, he is-- goes through or-- this excruciating kind of suffering. If such a person were *in* ordinary mind, what would be his response to that experience? To the persecutors, or to the physical suffering that might be, you know, humanly speaking unbearable?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: To see space. There's lots of room, lots of space. And suffering is usually claustrophobic. And in this case there is no problem with that. You see space.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76227/file/168931#t=2123.0,2226.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76227/file/168931/transcript/41135/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 17]\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER THOMAS KEATING: Is there an experience, in this state of no-mind, of relinquishing it in some way, and experiencing once again, for the sake of a bodhisattva ideal let us say, something of the, once again of the sufferings of people who are still in the -- I won't say ego-ic stage, but whose-- an identification suffering, in other words that it would be so complete that--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: One proclaims, one proclaims, constantly. But you are not talking. It's like an--\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER THOMAS KEATING: There's no \"you\" to talk.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --echo. It's like echo. And often it has been referred as... illusion.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76227/file/168931#t=2226.0,2281.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76227/file/168931/transcript/41135/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 18]\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER THOMAS KEATING: One final question, Rinpoche that, do you think, or is it the Buddhist teaching, that this state can be reached through the marvelous technology of Buddhist wisdom? Or when one reaches a certain point, is it done *in* you; in other words, does the \"self\" have to be torn out of you, by the evolution of consciousness, or by the absolute? Or, in other words can one-- is it-- is that trial that I spoke of so terrible, that one could never go through it, of one's own volition, unless one was kind of dragged through it, by a power that was greater than oneself?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It could only come from one's admiration to one's teacher. And you'd become one with the teacher. And you'd begin to mix your mind with the teacher's mind. And then, you begin to dissolve.\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER THOMAS KEATING: And that presupposes that the teacher, to *be* a teacher, must have this state of consciousness?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's what we call \"lineage.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76227/file/168931#t=2281.0,2369.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76227/file/168931/transcript/41135/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FATHER THOMAS KEATING: That's what lineage means. That's wonderful. Wonderfully clear teaching and a lot of clarifications, at least for me personally. Thank you, so much.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Thank you.\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76227/file/168931#t=2369.0,2387.04325"}]},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76227/file/168931/transcript/41136","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["19830809VCTR2-Captions [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76227/file/168931/transcript/41136/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"CTI SLATE: This is the Venerable\nChogyam Trungpa 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Keating","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76227/file/168931#t=8.37,12.935"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76227/file/168931/transcript/41136/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and Chogyam Trungpa,\nrecorded in Boulder,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76227/file/168931#t=12.935,14.96"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76227/file/168931/transcript/41136/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Colorado on August 9th, 1983.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76227/file/168931#t=14.96,19.38"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76227/file/168931/transcript/41136/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This is a CTI auto-remaster\nmade June, 2022.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76227/file/168931#t=19.38,25.1"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76227/file/168931/transcript/41136/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FATHER THOMAS KEATING:\n[UNCLEAR: which were?]\nequally 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