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Simplicity is working with thoughts; emptiness works with the habit of conceptual mind; letting the emotions be transforms them into warmth and compassion. Main subject of talk is next step, which is \"beyond communication\", just relating directly and powerfully with energy of the universe. Mahayana ends and vajrayana begins. Describes how the three \"feelings\", passion, aggression, ignorance, are transformed. Explains what mandala principle is, and the four orders of tantra -- father, mother, union, transcendental. Gives vivid, experiential description of how experience emerges on level of symbolism, or \"mudra\", actually seeing things as they are.\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication"]},"value":{"en":["BOOK: Myth of Freedom","BOOK: Collected Works Vol 03"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication Details"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eBOOK: MYTH OF FREEDOM: Part 8: Tantra: Mandala\u003cbr\u003e-- from \u003ca href=\"https://www.shambhala.com/the-myth-of-freedom-and-the-way-of-meditation-1073.html\"\u003eShambhala Publications\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eBOOK: COLLECTED WORKS VOL 3 (in contained book MYTH OF FREEDOM)\u003cbr\u003e-- from \u003ca href=\"https://www.shambhala.com/the-collected-works-of-chogyam-trungpa-384.html\"\u003eShambhala Publications\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Transcription Credits"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eMay 09 2024 to Oct 13 2024 Transcribing: Blaire Martin Checking: Ella Milligan Final Proof: Anne Seidlitz Other Contributors: Lynn Friedman, Warner Dick\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003e© Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Year"]},"value":{"en":["1971"]}}],"summary":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eThis talk opens with a clear summary of the stages of ego's development, and how we can work with them. Simplicity is working with thoughts; emptiness works with the habit of conceptual mind; letting the emotions be transforms them into warmth and compassion. Main subject of talk is next step, which is \"beyond communication\", just relating directly and powerfully with energy of the universe. Mahayana ends and vajrayana begins. Describes how the three \"feelings\", passion, aggression, ignorance, are transformed. Explains what mandala principle is, and the four orders of tantra -- father, mother, union, transcendental. Gives vivid, experiential description of how experience emerges on level of symbolism, or \"mudra\", actually seeing things as they are.\u003c/p\u003e"]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003e\u0026copy; Diana J. 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Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]\r\n\r\n\r\nCTI SLATE: This is the Venerable Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, Public Seminar entitled Battle of Ego Three, given in Los Angeles, California. This is talk five, \"Tantra,\" given on May 31st, 1971. This a CTI auto remaster made May 20, 2024.\r\n\r\n\r\nORIGINAL SLATE: This will be Chogyam Trungpa, May 31st, 1971, in Los Angeles. Recorded by Marvin Ross.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503#t=0.0,53.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503/transcript/80102/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: MAIN TALK]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think it still would be good to follow the pattern of talking about ego, and get to the basic process of working with them -- the stages. That consciousness of ego, and thought patterns being dealt with or worked with them by basic simplicity. And working with them. And also the concept, the conceptualized form of ego is been dealt with that of shunyata experience. And the perception of ego is been dealt with that of communication and compassion of bodhisattva's action.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503#t=53.0,170.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503/transcript/80102/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So next stage it seems to be is the feeling. That when we talk about \"feeling\" in terms of ego, it is the original grasping and repelling, aggression and ignorance; a feeling consists of three types of these elements. And there comes the next process of dealing, working through with that. And you might say that at the beginning, before dealing with the feeling of ego starts, the perception of ego contains, in a sense resistance to let things work out by natural pattern. That is why the communication process of compassion, basic warmth and basic generosity, without pretend. And when there's a process without pretense, then confidence and skillful means of communication takes place in the natural process.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503#t=170.0,301.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503/transcript/80102/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And that communication, natural communication process, with the animate and inanimate objects, is not quite enough. Not quite complete, because there will be still consciously that you are communicating with them; some kind of effort is involved. Or *trying\" to be generous or *trying* to be open, seems to be the one of the problems there. Not necessarily from the point of view of heavy-handed ego, but there will be still some kind of conscious-- self-conscious notion, of that \"I am practicing this, I am putting my effort into this.\" Although you know exactly what to do; there's no hesitation about that, everything happens very naturally. But there's some solid quality of ego is still present, in a very faint process.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503#t=301.0,387.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503/transcript/80102/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That is to say that person had to be wakened *beyond* communication. Actually transcending the ego's notion of feeling, but becoming completely one with that feeling, whole essence of the feeling. And that stage, the person's experience of shunyata meditation and panoramic awareness of mahavipashyana experience becomes very powerful. But still, seems there's more need to relate to the universe, more than before. More than that we have done. That seems to be extremely important. And this needs a kind of leap, rather than putting yourself into disciplined effort of anything. But basic leap and basic generosity, in terms of willing to open yourself to the phenomenal situation, rather than purely be aware of the strategy of how to relate to them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503#t=387.0,488.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503/transcript/80102/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Because at certain point the strategy becomes irrelevant, and actual perception becomes more important, in terms of *feeling*, actual feeling. And it still takes the temperature, or the colors of three types of feelings, naturally. It takes the magnetizing quality -- shape of magnetizing quality -- and it also takes the shape of repelling and aggressive quality, and also it takes shape of basic kind of daze, being dazed; ignorance quality in some sense you can talk about. But what we're trying to do is we are not trying to, as whole the patterns of dealing with ego is been the same way, that we are not trying to exclude them or change them, destroy them, but trying to use their basic nature, basic natural process.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503#t=488.0,558.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503/transcript/80102/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So that dealing with the feeling is where the teaching of mahayana ends, so to speak, and the vajrayana, or the yogic teaching, begins. Generally word \"yoga\" means \"union.\" It's complete identification. In this case not only complete identification with the technique of meditation, or complete identification with the strategy of skillful way of communicating, compassionate alone, but it is also communication in terms of actual universe, the energy that exists within universe: the colors and energies that is there already. And the word \"tantra\" means \"continuity\"; or \"lineage\" or \"continuity.\" And this also is tantric practice because you begin to see that continual practices from the beginning point up to this last stage goes on and continues; it's evolutionary process. And nothing becomes contradictory, but confirmation of every discovery becomes a confirmation -- one confirmation to next confirmation, and whole thing becomes more and more vivid, in terms of basic continuity. It's like a thread run through beads.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503#t=558.0,680.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503/transcript/80102/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And at this point that actually the symbolism of whatever we perceive becomes naturally relevant, rather than another fascinating or interesting thing being imposed on you as outsider, as something that you never knew about it. And symbolism in terms of visual symbolism, as well as sound symbolism of mantra for instance. And mental symbolism of feeling, energy becomes relevant. So that's the point it seems that natural process where such symbolism is applicable. Because at that point, the meeting with new way of looking at-- another way of looking at process of experience doesn't become a strain or too potent. It becomes a natural process. It's ultimate experience of feeling, complete union with the feeling of the universe.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503#t=680.0,781.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503/transcript/80102/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And seeing the relationship of each other, as well as the vividness of things as they are, which is what is called \"mandala principle.\" When we talk about mandala it is-- Sanskrit word \"mandala\" means \"society or group\"; \"association, organization.\" That is to say that everything's centered around something. In this case of tantric's notion of mandala, it is centerless space. At the same time there's no watcher, or perceiver. Because there isn't watcher or perceiver therefore the fringe becomes extremely real and more vivid. It's notion of that whole thing is-- whole experience of universe be-- is somehow related with everything.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503#t=781.0,862.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503/transcript/80102/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's kind of continual cycle, that one experience leads to another next experience and that experience leads another one. But at the same time they don't contradict, because whatever you see or whatever you perceive have their own characteristics, and their characteristics doesn't clash with each other, because they are true perceptions; they are not result of fascination. If you watch with fascination to objects, then you might be fascinated by one thing, because of their particular fascinating quality, but on the other hand the other thing becomes quite a different kind of fascination. And their source of fascination becomes different style, so there's conflict between the two.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503#t=862.0,927.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503/transcript/80102/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There's a very simple basic principles connected with \"feeling.\" Three types of feelings. That it is be described as four orders of tantra: father tantra, mother tantra, and union tantra, and transcendental tantra. And each-- symbolism of father tantra for instance, is associated with energy -- the repelling quality. In other word the experience of energy of wisdom that contains tremendous force: that nothing can enter into it because there's no crack or gap that any confusion could enter into it. If anything trying to land on it it automatically repels. That kind of is the ultimate energy. Transcendental anger you could call it, or \"vajra anger.\" Diamond quality of the energy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503#t=927.0,1028.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503/transcript/80102/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And mother tantra is associated with seduction, or magnetizing. Which is inspired by what is called \"discriminating wisdom.\" That every texture of the universe, or life, is been seen as each thing contains beauty of its own. Nothing is particularly rejected or nothing is particularly accepted, but whatever you see, or perceive rather, have their individual qualities, and because of there's no rejection or accepting, therefore it becomes more obvious and easy to relate with them. Therefore discriminating wisdom is in other word using the richness of every aspect of life; that's why it is called \"magnetizing.\" Which is a larger version of passion. In terms of ordinary passion and grasping, that we try to grasp one particular highlight of a situation; ignore the whole rest of area where that highlight is remained, or located. Sort of a notion of fishing, with a hook. But rejecting the whole other areas of water and everything. In this case, of magnetizing, in the mother tantra case is accepting every situation, welcoming every situation. But with discriminate awareness wisdom, everything's seen as precisely as they are, and therefore there's no conflict; doesn't bring indigestion so to speak.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503#t=1028.0,1184.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503/transcript/80102/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And the union tantra is associated with in some ways the ignorance. And this case, again when we talk of just ordinary ignorance, it is ignorance of trying to maintain its individual, and ignore the rest of it. But in this case there's no maintaining-- maintenance of individuality. And it is the perceiving the whole background space. So therefore it is not ignorance, but it is \"all pervading space.\" It's the other quality of the frozen space that we been talking about.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503#t=1184.0,1246.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503/transcript/80102/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And also there are emotions are associated with certain types of elements and colors. I'm talking in terms of those who have perceived the feeling, true feeling, the transcendental feeling, and those who actually have able to communicate with universe from their complete way, without even being aware of the strategy. And this case the basic space, basic open space, is associated with the blue. Or any kind of blue that we perceive, or any kind of basic ignorance we perceive also is-- tends to be, seems to be blue. In terms of their texture, and also in terms of element of space.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503#t=1246.0,1336.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503/transcript/80102/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And the same thing with passion for instance, is associated with red. That which invokes something. And also associated with kind of constant burning process, of fire. But at the same time kind of penetrating quality of passion, which is the \"wisdom of discriminating awareness\" we been talking about.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503#t=1336.0,1375.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503/transcript/80102/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And all these ideas of colors, and forms, speaks through the language. The true language, so to speak. And that is why that somebody who's involved with complete open attitude to universe, it doesn't have to trying to work out intellectually, or even for that matter intuitively by effort. But just the orders of universe *are* the books, are the informations; that whatever we perceive, whatever we see, they just teach, they just speak through. So often it is described that all sight is the visual mandala, and all sound is mantra mandala, all thought process is \"chitta\" mandala, the essence, or consciousness, space.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503#t=1375.0,1460.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503/transcript/80102/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, one wouldn't just generally expect that person who perceive these mandalas wouldn't see deities dancing around with strangest mantras echoing on the space, with all sorts of psychic flashes happening in their mind. And such a notion is seems to be is kind of a kindergarten notion of heaven. If we see colors and shapes, unexpected colors and beautiful things, shapes, and if we constantly hear the mantras echoing in the space, that we are perceiving them, we are taking notice-- note of them, we are actually are more confirming our own ego. And quite likely that we could get tired of hearing them or seeing them. Possibility is sooner or later that we want to run away from them; it becomes too much, too constant. One would prefer to go to hell rather than remain in heaven. [laughter; laughs] More exciting, more rugged. [Laughter; laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503#t=1460.0,1572.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503/transcript/80102/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In this case of ultimate experience of mandala, somehow simple idea of colors and shapes are pure kind of metaphors. Of course if you see very a vivid passion, extremely vivid passion, you could paint of course, you could compose a figure out of this passion, or red with all sorts of flames around, and all sorts of ornaments around it; we could paint very vivid picture of it. In fact that the interesting story is that tantric practitioners of India have created the iconographical structure of tantra, tantric divinities, in terms of Indian royal costume, classical Indian royal costumes. Turbans and crowns, and six types of ornaments, jewels and everything. They're wearing rainbow colored dhoti. Everything's in Indian royal costume. Whereas the tantric practitioners of China for instance, or Japan, that deities being often presented with wearing imperial dresses; long brocade robes and big sleeves, and big mustaches, and also holding the similar type of scepters. And one could often ask question, whether which one, which experience was more accurate. The Indians would say, \"Ours is more accurate. Because we perceived that way. We imagined that way.\" The Chinese would say theirs is more accurate, \"Because we perceive *that* way.\" But outsiders watch them, look at them, we could say both are accurate and both are also inaccurate.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503#t=1572.0,1755.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503/transcript/80102/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"On the whole, this basic understanding of vividness of feeling of the universe, and seeing in terms of patterns and colors and shapes, of different types of symbolism, is not at all in this case imagination or hallucinatory. It is something real. It's like if a person hears music, if music is very moving to the person, or very inspiring, you could feel almost you could carve statues out of this music, almost you could hold them, handle them. The sound becomes almost solid object, becomes almost color, or shapes. It's similar thing that if person is completely able to see the perception of universe as they *are*, then they *are* the shapes, they *are* the symbols. And that is meaning of \"mahamudra\", which means \"great symbol\", the greatest symbol that you see. The whole world is symbol. Symbol in a sense of trying to show something out of it is somehow seems to be wrong concept. Symbol this case is the vivid quality of things as they are -- \"mudra\" or \"mark.\"\r\n\r\n\r\nPerhaps we could stop there. Shouldn't get too carried away. [Laughs; laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503#t=1755.0,1878.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503/transcript/80102/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 1]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: What would be the Western concept then? You gave the Chinese and Hindus? Ours would be different, wouldn't it? And why does it have to be that [INAUDIBLE] ?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, nobody--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: \"Symbols and figures and forms\" -- come on!\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well nobody had to created one.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: What would you imagine it to be?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I don't know.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: You don't know? [Trungpa Rinpoche laughs] Or would it be? Perhaps the Western mind doesn't go for that. Would it necessarily have to have a mudra symbol, mahamudra?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Not necessarily.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: Not necessarily?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Necessarily, it's not.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503#t=1878.0,1916.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503/transcript/80102/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 2]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: You associated blue with open space and red with passion, I assume that the blue goes basically with the union, and the red with the father. What was the color that goes with the mother? You gave two colors and three concepts, there. Is there a color for the concept--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Maybe it's go with the mother tantra.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: That all goes with the mother tantra?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: That the blue and the red both?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No, red is passion; mother tantra.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Okay.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: And blue is union.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Okay, but what goes with father?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Father tantra, either white or black.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Thank you.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It depend on classification. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503#t=1916.0,1968.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503/transcript/80102/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 3]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: [to SPEAKER1] What was your question?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: Interesting one. What would the Western mahamudra be? Since he gave us the Hindu, and he gave us the Chinese, and I said perhaps there wouldn't be any for the Western. We may not [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: He's not Western.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: We have adopted their culture, their elements.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I'll be very interested to witness what happens.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: Flying saucers. [Laughter] [Trungpa Rinpoche laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: But in essence it would be the same; it's all the essence of it wouldn't it? Or would it?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Would be same, yeah. Not necessarily you will see Indian type deity, in the form of Indian type.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: But you could.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: If you see it then that's could be not seeing the true form but--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: As it appears--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --as a hallucinatory thing.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: But could it appear as such, and not be hallucinatory?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I think could appear as such. But then you wouldn't see it. You would just perceive it. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: Through perception you have to be there, is that true? For you to perceive something, you have to be there, which means that it's your translation--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: -- from a certain attitude.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503#t=1968.0,2080.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503/transcript/80102/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 4]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: Why do you think we're interested in that aspect? Why do people want to see, you know, the vision?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I suppose for one thing it is quite easy-- quite obvious is that very simple one. That experiences, and spiritual experience, religious experiences are often questioned, particularly from scientific point of view. And people are constantly looking for some proof, evidence. And one also wonders whether what *you* are doing is what you should be doing, or whether it's true thing that you should be doing. And there's so much hesitation and distrust, in terms of practice. And if anything presented in terms of colors and visuals it's beautiful. At last, you saw something. Made-- which makes sort of themselves valid, as well as something to tell your friends and other people who are also interested in it. In fact you can manufacture, because of such anxiety -- very complicated. I heard quite a lot of stories from, you know, people. It's very imaginary things they see. Quite fascinating in fact, to hear them. Can imagine it would be very fascinating if you see them. But this kind of way of trying to prove ourselves, what we are doing is right, seems runs all the way long through in terms of ego.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503#t=2080.0,2194.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503/transcript/80102/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 5]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: Well, may I ask, what about their point of view?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: When they see them you mean?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: The visions. What about-- what is it, their point of point of view, why are they coming here with all these different get ups?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You mean visions?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: Yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well they-- their-- the visions seems to be depend on the viewer.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: Yes, but it must be some basic energy.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Because you manufacture them.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: But you said you perceive them. But if all of China--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Perceiver manufacture them.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: --all the other [INAUDIBLE WORDS] something. I mean, where does it come from?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: The deities, where do they come from?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Visions are... where they come from are, as I said, meeting point of different elements. Of the energy, basic energy, and your anxiety and your confusion and your wishful thinking. Which is sort of mixed and amalgamated together, and present themselves into sorts of colors.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: So perhaps they come because they're needed.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: Maybe they come because they're needed.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Visions, no. I mean they are not individual entities.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: How?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It's like mirage.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: It is like beauty is in the eyes of the beholder?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: But--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: Sir!\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: No, he's talking about the mahamudra, not visions, I think.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: I mean visions is, you know--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Now, the mahamudra you mean.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503#t=2194.0,2286.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503/transcript/80102/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 6]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: I mean, like, people talk about angels. And there are certain books that show pictures of different images, and some called them \"devas\", and all sorts of every [INAUDIBLE] or whatever has it. And they are supposed to take care of trees, and they are supposed to take care of things, vegetables, and air, and form clouds and play with destiny and all sorts of [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: I mean, what do you think about them? Are they in the eye-- our eye-- are we just making them up?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, of course, otherwise how could we know they are there?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: Then we're making-- I'm making *you* up too then, right?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Oh no! [INAUDIBLE WORDS].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well from your point of view. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: [Laughs] Are you making me up?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. From my point of view. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: Okay, thank you. [Trungpa Rinpoche laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503#t=2286.0,2342.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503/transcript/80102/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 7]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: So it's all fair-- it's all fair game. [Laughter] [Trungpa Rinpoche laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Not in the case of tree or clouds.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: Why?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Because the trees and the clouds are not individual entities of someone who possess consciousness.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: Is that the academic explanation of consciousness?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, we put our trips on them.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: What about the-- don't they put any trips out?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: Don't they put any trips out?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well because we put, then they do.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: Left to their own devices there would be no trip?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503#t=2342.0,2388.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503/transcript/80102/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 8]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: Then they wouldn't be here, I see. Is it all connected with this particular solar system?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: Is it just connected-- this sort of interplay connected with this particular solar system?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No, not at all.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: It isn't.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It's universal.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: Universe.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503#t=2388.0,2406.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503/transcript/80102/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 9]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Can I get back to mahamudra, Rinpoche? So you said that Hindus had their form, and dressed in a certain way. And the Chinese have a form and dressed in a certain way. Well, not only one person has that mark of mahamudra, so there must be some substance to one, because other peo-- you've seen mahamudra, and that other Tibetans have seen, so there is substance. I think that's what we meant at first, when I made point later in the question. There is a substance in that, besides the perceiver. It's-- besides you is something, because other Rinpoches and tulkus have seen it. And other Hindus and other Chinese have seen the mahamudra. So there is also something *besides* the projection of the one being, isn't there?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: Yeah, what about that guy whose nails disappeared in your book, you know?\r\n\r\n\r\nAUDIENCE: It's a copy of projections.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Who did what?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: Whose nails and hair were left.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: What about him?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, what about him? [Laughter] [laughs].\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: I want to know-- Where'd he come from? [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: He's just vanished.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: Where'd he come from, where'd he go?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Nowhere.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: Okay.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, you see, I mean you could say that it is not one thing that we are perceiving, by a different audience. But that their style of working towards that experience being similar one; therefore they experience the same thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503#t=2406.0,2496.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503/transcript/80102/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 10]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: But no, it's not that they exper-- that there is some thing that they experience that is similar!\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Sure similar, yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Yeah, but what is it that they are experiencing--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Because--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: --that is similar? If I look at that tree, we *all* look at the tree. It's still a tree. We are seeing something -- we may perceive differently, we may react differently, we may have different emotions about it. As people looking at the mahamudra, they themselves may have different [Trungpa Rinpoche laughs] degrees of awareness and different degrees of yoga, different degrees-- but that is there that they're looking at. And Tibetan-ism is full of all that. What is it that they're looking at? What is it that you're praying to? What is it that's \"not there\" but is there?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, because they view it from certain style.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: What is it that they're viewing, from a different way?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well they're own projections--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: I mean all these people are creating it? So the Hindus create the Hindu image--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, sure.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: --and the Chinese create the Chinese image?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: So are you saying then that you're cutting through all that just perhaps cessation of all that where there is none of that?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: There's none of that, sure. In the most highest teaching of all tantra, there's no form, no mandala, no image. Which is quite different from that of the-- of shunyata thing.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: What is different? That void is different than the shunyata?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503#t=2496.0,2578.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503/transcript/80102/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 11]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Well that's confusing because you talk about shunyata and you connect to the to the mahamudra, so it seems that that's an advance and now you say there's another [Trungpa Rinpoche laughs], it's not shunyata, now it's a void.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: So what's the difference between shunyata and void?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well it's nothing to do with the actual experience of them, but it's your perceptions to them are different. Because in the shunyata idea, that you are still absence of the duality, that's why you see emptiness. You're still conscious of the absence of duality, therefore you see emptiness. and in the higher tantra sense there's no sense of absence either at all, it's [laughs]--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: So, in between is the mahamudra.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: In between is mahamudra. [laughs; laughter; chatter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503#t=2578.0,2631.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503/transcript/80102/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 12]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: Rinpoche, given a genuine tantric practitioner, what inspires them, having seen all these wonderful sights? What inspires them to create all these symbols? Like mudras and chakras and [INAUDIBLE WORDS] and all that?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well it seems to be their language.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: Communication?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes, it's language. Yeah. And the people been fooled by the language.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: By how?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It's the-- let me tell you the story again, I'm sure I've said it before. It's a story of a Zen master and his student, and the student ask master, \"What is the difference between samsara and nirvana?\" And the Zen teacher pointed out the garden, there's a hedge growing between the toilet and the landscape garden: \"It's that hedge.\" And the student immediately understood. It's the barrier. There's no difference, but it's the barrier is the differences. We put barrier. And then he told the stories to his own students. And then they visualize in meditation -- garden and toilet and hedge growing in between. And nothing-- nobody clicked, nothing happened. Because the original inspiration become stagnant. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Became a dead thing you mean?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, too much fascinated to...\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: So that's the pantheon of the gods, as it were, experienced that way.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I mean if-- particularly if there we have no experience of the colors of the universe as they are, then they become just interesting, fascinating thing. It doesn't mean very much. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: It's like a leveler.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503#t=2631.0,2770.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503/transcript/80102/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 13]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Is it possible then, that the Western thing would be more just light? Just like a light show, or just color, just happening, things like that? Without any necessity to, you know, put your creation....\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It is possible for Westerner...?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Oh, I said it's possible that just the things that would be-- the Western thing would be just the color and the light. And without having to manufacture figures and [INAUDIBLE WORDS]?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well it's sort of natural universal step. First step is not only to see them but to see their implication, with the psychology. And then, it *is* possible that you see such vivid way that it could be said in terms of figures, or ideas.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503#t=2770.0,2844.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503/transcript/80102/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 14]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: Not having much knowledge about tantric yoga, but except what I've heard, but usually here it's associated with sex. How does that work in the three [INAUDIBLE] you described in tantric view?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, there are all sorts of way of transmutation of energy or emotions. And it seems in a tantric tradition the sexual experience of communication, it seems to be another experience of contact communication. In a sense similar to what we been saying in terms of bodhisattva idea in the early on.\r\n\r\n\r\nAnd these three types of tantras are... person might practice all three of them actually. Because that person has basic fascination and a basic feeling; everyone, you possess. Ego has basic feeling of these three textures; ignorance and passion and aggression would be there, constantly. So a person would go through the passionate quality of the anger, and aggressive quality of the anger, ignorance quality of the anger. And passionate quality of desire, and aggressive quality of desire, and ignorance quality of desire. You go through the all of them, it seems.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: By go through, you mean experience them?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You experience them, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: And then where do you end up? Where do you go finally, or if you experience them? I mean what is the goal, or why is sex used in the form of tantra, that you go--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What's beyond that you mean?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: Yeah, where do you finally get to the areas of time you described, the father tantra, the mother tantra, or the [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Then, well, it's extremely complicated. There's so many stages. But ultimately that notion of mandalas transcend. There's nothing at all. Even the experience in itself becomes dissolved. It's the level that we been talking about: the ego can't take part in its funeral party.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503#t=2844.0,3005.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503/transcript/80102/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 15]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: But you say, you know, experience the passionate or the aggressive, or ignorant quality of desire, if you begin to just experience that and not try to do anything with it that those two -- the aspects naturally wear away, so that you no longer even experience those? You just experience something like pure energy?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes. Because I mean their clumsy quality so to speak is just wears and but their basic character remains in terms of energy. It's creative process.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: So when you find yourself experiencing one of those aspects, like the passion or the aggressive aspect, you just kind of watch it and not try and do anything with it or work with it or play with it, or just look at it or what?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well it seems that suppressing doesn't seems to be answer, or practicing them doesn't seem to be answer. That both of them on some kind of-- the other one is fear of it, and trying to suppress it. The other one is frustrated so you have to release, which is another kind of, in a sense pathetic move, in terms of such richness of the energy. So, it seems working with them means, or making them as a path, means that just feel the complete quality of the emotions as they are. In other word sort of almost a physical and abstract quality of them. Because if you become completely one with emotions, completely fully, then there's no conflict at all with your relationship with emotions. Because you feel just energy. Whereas if you try to relate to them as though they are external spectacle, then there would be automatic conflict.\r\n\r\n\r\nIt seems that natural function of ego is that ego try to maintain its centralized notion, and trying to fight with emotions, but the emotions try to take you over. So that kind of conflict, of losing ego's authority, and emotions being overpowering, and the only necessary thing to do is just put into practice. That's generally what happens. So if there's no centralized notion of watcher involved with emotions, just become part of it, then emotions have no one to rouse off, and they just dissolve or develop by themselves.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503#t=3005.0,3187.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503/transcript/80102/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 16]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: When one's habit is to repress emotions, is it possible that maybe a stage that one would have to go through would be to try and, as you say, practice them or sort of work for them in a sort of awkward way, as a way of getting out of the very heavy habit of repression? I mean still being stuck with sort of a centralized notion of ego that is very self-conscious and trying to play with the energy, but at least it seems a little more open or loosened up than habit of repressing it all the time. You see what I mean? Well what I've experienced is my own habit is, you know, just repress these emotions, try and sweep them under the rug, get rid of them. And then in the context of kind of things you've been saying, have-- it's felt like I got like a different perspective on these emotions as energies; that they can somehow be played with, they don't have to overwhelm me but there's like a lighter aspect as a way--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: --of existing with them, that feels more like energy and less of, you know, kind of overwhelming.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: But I still feel that something's not quite right, that there's a certain self-conscious quality--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I see, I see.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: -that I'm still trying to work, or trying to play--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm, mhmm, mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: --rather than just...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, you see that's always a problem with any practice, which recommends natural practice. That also people experience that with relaxation practices. They trying to trying to trying to relax, and then because of trying too hard then it becomes a tension, their relaxation. And it's similar kind of thing. At the beginning you might feel that it's kind of your employing kind of strategy to deal with emotions, self-conscious of it. But it seems that there is no other way -- it doesn't seem to be at all. In fact I used to ask same question to my guru about it.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: I didn't hear that.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I asked the same question to my teacher about it. And it seems that only thing to do is just step onto it and do it. I mean even at the beginning it's kind of acting, in fact, to yourself. But even that is, it seems to be all right. As you act at the beginning and then you just become part of it. Like if you were trying to imitate somebody's bad habit, and certain period you begin to be-- you begin to be doing the same thing yourself, by just making joke about it. Same thing that you tend to catch up with the whole thing, and it becomes a part of it. So I think at the beginning you might find it sort of clumsy but still one have to just get into it to do it, in spite of that. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503#t=3187.0,3380.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503/transcript/80102/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 17]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER16: How does the term \"letting go\" fit in to this? my understanding that this is a practice, and I have an emotion and I'm sort struggling with it, if I can just let go, and allow it, that [INAUDIBLE] --\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I think it's quite a dangerous term in fact -- \"letting go.\" Suggest either wildness or else naivety.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER16: I'm sorry I didn't hear the first term.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Wildness.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER16: Wildness?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes. Or naivety. Somehow letting go with the emotions doesn't sound right. I mean it's-- doesn't sound particularly intelligent; there's no precision in it. I mean one would let go with the practice, of course; you leap into it, without questioning. But as far as actual things are concerned you don't let go with emotions. I mean you could use in a very careful way such term, but if you use sort of as general term, there's possibilities of becoming, you know, misunderstood.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER16: I was thinking of it in terms of allowing -- not trying to alter, rectify, transform, but allowing it.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes, it's letting things to be as they are. And not impose any bias attitude on them, but seeing things as they are. In that sense you could use. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER16: So that connects then with the idea that you were expressing about working with the emotions?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. Working with the nature of emotions.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503#t=3380.0,3508.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503/transcript/80102/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 18]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER17: It's like when I woke up this morning, I was speeding. So I sat down and my thoughts went really fast. I sat down on and I [UNCLEAR: followed?] my mantra. And then at about forty minutes later, it seemed like that time, I realized that my mantra was-- I was saying my mantra very slowly. But there was-- I don't know how I got there. That the speeding kept going, and then all of a sudden I was-- the mantra was very slow, I was going very slowly. And I want to know if eventually I'll have to know how I got there, to that slowness, or--?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I don't think necessary. You see in any case, that you can't repeat similar experience again and again to the same problem. There should be a certain attitude of every situation as being different, and you have to inspire individually, rather than sort of prescription. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503#t=3508.0,3581.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503/transcript/80102/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 19]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER18: A question on the ego again, or egoism, whatever. Is there is a role for ego than-- other than say... I have a little confusion in my mind with the idea of spiritual materialism. I translate it to some form of meaning that has to do with spiritual egoism. And you talked about it in the little book that we got yesterday, the little book, about very, maybe high souls, but they have quite a subtle ego, a very highly refined ego. And I was wondering is this a thing to be done away with, or does the ego have a function there at all, I mean does it have a function beyond our whatever, why we're here, our quest, or whatever we're doing?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, it seems rather paradoxical that ego happens to exist, and it also creates its own function. [Laughs] And therefore the ego's function is to create nirvana. Liberation, buddhahood, and everything.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER18: Well, what about the function-- as you now say do you utilize an ego to talk to us, when you talk like that? Do you yourself?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: With ego or without ego, is that what you mean?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER18: Well, I don't know, you know. I think the question is kind of, do you have an ego when you talk to us? When you teach, do you utilize an ego? I mean is it there? [Trungpa Rinpoche laughs] Does it exist for you?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: For me? Sure. It seem to... saturates. I mean you can, you can behave or talk exactly the same way as if you had ego or if you didn't have ego. It's very subtle.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER18: [INAUDIBLE WORDS] But it's-- I'm almost asking is ego good or bad, but I wouldn't ask that. [Laughter; laughs] If it has a use--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Sure it has a use.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER18: Thank you.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503#t=3581.0,3734.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503/transcript/80102/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 20]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER19: Is there a difference between ego and the soul, and what would the soul be described-- I mean a \"soul\" is a Western word.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, well--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER19: What would it be?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: There doesn't seems to be a definite meaning of \"soul.\" In fact in the Buddhist terminologies been translated into English, that \"soul\" is, I suppose in terms of something like \"ego\". But even the word \"ego\" is in itself irrelevant. Because then we talk about \"egolessness.\" So if you're trying to give any kind of general names, like \"soul\" or \"ego\" or \"self\", to this bundle of different energies, then somehow it is wrong. Then, instead of seeing the details, or the natural process that consist of, one would purely just think in terms of a name. Seems to be wrong to give name, associated with a name.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503#t=3734.0,3811.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503/transcript/80102/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 21]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER20: Still there's an essence or a pattern that say, survives death to be reincarnated.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: There is a--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER20: Is there an essence or a pattern that survive death, and-- to be reincarnated?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, you don't survive death in any case.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER20: Well then you can't talk-- yes I understand the ego just dissolves and--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No I mean in the contin-- sense of continuity. You don't survive from death. You go along with the death; there's constant birth and death goes on all the time. You go along with the birth and death. It's not like one big solid thing going on, running through all the way along, a big boulder. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER20: There's some kind of pattern, there's some kind of, let's say, micromagnetic or a similar pattern that--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, sure.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER20: --which does survive those moments of death and rebirth. Which makes it continuing..\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well they go through the death, and therefore they're born. So you could say it's constant death or constant birth, which is saying the same thing. That's why there's possibilities of progress and possibilities of working with it, and molding it into different style, in terms of meditation.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER20: Is it a kind of a thing which can go into nothingness and come back out of nothingness--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: And come back--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER20: --and maintain an identity?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's happens all the time. That's what we're trying to talk about in terms of ego began with nothing but everything happens. And people get occasional experience of flashes of nothingness, and then they come back. That's what we're trying to say. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER20: So theoretically, I mean, nothing-- say that theoretically the universe is nothingness.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Quite. And everything.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER20: And everything. Theoretically you could go into nothingness and come out the other end of the universe.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You don't have to come out the other end. You just be where nothingness, that *is* everything. [Laughs] [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nAUDIENCE: Science fiction.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER20: Then we just have kind of this anchor here, to come back to.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Do we?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER20: This is just kind of our home -- we just keep coming back to this, our bodies.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Or going away, often.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER20: When you go into nothingness, then you come back to this, because this is like, this is like the anchor, the-- our home.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Or our... coffin. [Laughs; laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER20: I mean our life is really in death, in nothingness. This is-- this is the death.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, whatever you like to call it--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER20: One way of thinking about it.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --it's that, yeah. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503#t=3811.0,3997.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503/transcript/80102/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 22]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER21: So that during meditation all the buttons can be pushed, right? During meditation, [INAUDIBLE WORDS].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What buttons? [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER21: It's just seeing-- speaking of flashes, it just seems to flash, that when one is in meditation there's like a connection. And that's when you can really, you know, turn it up or get it together, whatever.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well in the meditation that you are-- somehow, at the beginning anyway, you are imitating the nothingness. By imitating then you become nothingness.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER21: But there's a real interflow between so many things, that you get high during meditation.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Get high?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER21: No, maybe that's not quite a description. But it seemed to me that there is a connection, at the point of meditation between each unit, you know, so that--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Each unit of?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER21: --[INAUDIBLE] you know, whatever.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER21: And it's like a master plan so to speak. Really, zap!\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Sounds very complicated. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER21: I'll get over it. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nAUDIENCE: It's the language.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER21: It's the Western mudra. [Laughter] [Trungpa Rinpoche laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well-- yes?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503#t=3997.0,4106.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503/transcript/80102/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 23]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER22: One more?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER22: You presented the-- I understand it as a like stepping-stone stages of meditation. And I thought you also said that the meditation should be kind of not so special -- \"I am meditating\" -- but more like, maybe like everyday life, like brushing your teeth or something. A more-- little more ordinary. Well what I wonder is if you're working with stages of meditation, just as a particular stage becomes-- starts to get close to being ordinary and you start to taste it for what it's really worth. In other words you like it sometimes, you don't like it, you get bored. Just at that time don't-- *I* tend to remember what the great adepts are doing and say it's time to move on to another stage. But don't we tend to, in our speed, to pass on too quickly before we've actually tasted these various levels?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Don't we...?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER22: Tend to step out of the-- say it's time to go to the next stepping-stone, too quickly, before we've actually savored the flavor of the stage that we-- in other words, we practice a stage until it becomes boring, which is maybe just the *beginning* of that stage, when it becomes more ordinary. But at that time we think it's time to step on to something new.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. Yeah, you see, it's simple that you-- that's why that you-- we just keep going. But you don't try to change your different levels by a conscious effort. It's like gardening. You can't force the flower to come. And you have to wait and let it be. So it seems quite simple.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER22: But in fact we do. We say to ourselves I think -- I do -- that, \"I am in charge of what meditative technique I want to use.\" And you've presented a ladder. And I say, \"I've been doing this long enough, I'm tired of it. Time to move on and get to the goodies.\"\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, yeah. You see, you need someone to keep an eye on you. [Laughter; laughs].\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER23: Fascinating.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503#t=4106.0,4289.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503/transcript/80102/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: CLOSING REMARKS]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Maybe it's time to have a break and--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER24: Perhaps anyone who's interested in-- \r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503#t=4289.0,4296.51538"}]},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503/transcript/80103","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["19710531VCTR1-Captions [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503/transcript/80103/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"CTI SLATE: This is the\nVenerable Chogyam\nTrungpa Rinpoche,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503#t=0.82,4.72"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503/transcript/80103/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Public Seminar entitled\nBattle of Ego Three,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503#t=4.72,10.17"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503/transcript/80103/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"given in Los Angeles,\nCalifornia.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503#t=10.17,13.73"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503/transcript/80103/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This is talk five, \"Tantra,\"\ngiven on May 31st, 1971.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503#t=13.73,21.89"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503/transcript/80103/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This a CTI auto remaster\nmade May 20, 2024.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503#t=21.89,29.03"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503/transcript/80103/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ORIGINAL SLATE: This will be\nChogyam Trungpa,\nMay 31st, 1971, in Los Angeles.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503#t=31.08,39.08"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503/transcript/80103/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Recorded by Marvin Ross.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503#t=39.08,42.51"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503/transcript/80103/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think it\nstill would be good","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503#t=53.58,54.94"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503/transcript/80103/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to follow the pattern\nof talking about 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How?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503#t=2270.25,2271.83"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503/transcript/80103/annotation/433","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It's like mirage.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503#t=2271.83,2274.9"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503/transcript/80103/annotation/434","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER9: It is like beauty is\nin the eyes of the 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Mhmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503#t=2306.72,2307.93"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503/transcript/80103/annotation/447","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER9: I mean, what do\nyou think about them?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503#t=2307.93,2310.93"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148917/file/273503/transcript/80103/annotation/448","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Are they in the eye-- our eye--\nare we just making them 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