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The discussion focuses on the intersection between science, art, intuition, and Buddhism. In the Q\u0026amp;A, Trungpa Rinpoche responds to question regarding laziness from the Buddhist point of view [Q1]. Naropa Institute as a constant journey [Q2]. The discovery of prajna in buddhadharma as a science [Q4]. The need for faculty to be aware of how they communicate personal discoveries to students [Q14]. In the closing remarks, Trungpa Rinpoche describes the general approach of Naropa Institute as putting intuition and intellect together; and that whatever people are learning, science or otherwise, is regarded as a work of art. The art of life is learning to take care of ourselves and others, and understanding ourselves together with others.\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication"]},"value":{"en":["UNPUBLISHED"]}},{"label":{"en":["Transcription Credits"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eMay 29 2021 to Aug 29 2021 Transcribing: Ella Milligan Checking: Leandra Ziegler Final Proof: Leandra Ziegler Other Contributors: Lynn Friedman, Warner Dick\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["© Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved. Not to be Distributed or Reproduced."]}},{"label":{"en":["Year"]},"value":{"en":["1979"]}}],"summary":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eA discussion with faculty, largely regarding a conference held just previously entitled \"Comparative Approaches to Cognition: Western and Buddhist.\" Trungpa Rinpoche does not speak at length, but asks different faculty to present thoughts and observations. The discussion focuses on the intersection between science, art, intuition, and Buddhism. In the Q\u0026amp;A, Trungpa Rinpoche responds to question regarding laziness from the Buddhist point of view [Q1]. Naropa Institute as a constant journey [Q2]. The discovery of prajna in buddhadharma as a science [Q4]. The need for faculty to be aware of how they communicate personal discoveries to students [Q14]. In the closing remarks, Trungpa Rinpoche describes the general approach of Naropa Institute as putting intuition and intellect together; and that whatever people are learning, science or otherwise, is regarded as a work of art. The art of life is learning to take care of ourselves and others, and understanding ourselves together with others.\u003c/p\u003e"]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["© Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved. Not to be Distributed or Reproduced."]}},"provider":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["Chogyam Trungpa Digital Library"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["Chogyam Trungpa Digital Library"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/209/original/cti-library-logo-blue-text.png?1672724952","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/164/585/small/Logo-Audio-Red.png?1666471669","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 1 - 19790816VCTR1-Audio-Prod-CTIAutoRmstr-Access.mp3"]},"duration":3423.42525,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/164/585/small/Logo-Audio-Red.png?1666471669","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585/content/1/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-cti.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/164/585/original/19790816VCTR1-Audio-Prod-CTIAutoRmstr-Access.mp3?1659965109","type":"Audio","format":"audio/mpeg","duration":3423.42525,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585/transcript/40566","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["19790816VCTR1-Transcript-Timed [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585/transcript/40566/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[19790816VCTR1 - Naropa Institute - Meeting With Faculty] \r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]\r\n\r\n\r\nCTI SLATE: This is the Venerable Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche. Naropa Institute meeting with faculty at Naropa Institute, Boulder, Colorado on August 16th, 1979. This is a CTI auto-remaster made May 2021.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585#t=0.0,24.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585/transcript/40566/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: INTRODUCTION]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: Well, good afternoon, everybody. I'd like to welcome the Naropa Institute faculty to our last faculty meeting of the year, actually. And I'd like to welcome Rinpoche, the President of Naropa, to this meeting as well.\r\n\r\n\r\nWhat we'd like to do is somewhat on the format of the last session, which we-- when we had a meeting toward the end of the session, and basically just talked about the work that we're doing this summer with our students and with our departments. And we thought we'd open up with questions from the faculty and comments on what's been happening this summer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585#t=24.0,70.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585/transcript/40566/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 1]\r\n\r\n\r\nNEWCOMB GREENLEAF: Rinpoche, last week we had a rather interesting experience with a group of visitors who were scientists, philosophers, linguists from around the country -- about fifteen of them. And it didn't quite go as we expected. One thing, we tried to bring science and Buddhism into a dialogue, and it was not always an easy birth -- or it didn't happen at all, often. There was a lot of-- it seemed very difficult particularly to mix science -- with the scientists so determined on questioning everything -- with a tradition, which has a great respect for authority. And we had-- felt we had trouble doing this and they regarded -- some of them; some of them liked us a lot -- but some of them thought we were terribly arrogant, just wouldn't really mix it up and wouldn't give them the empirical grounds for the five skandhas, or whatever else it was that they felt they needed. And we had [laughing] a lot of difficulty at times. It was fruitful I guess in a way, maybe time will tell. But I wonder if you could say some words about how one can bring together authority and trust in one's immediate experience?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I think the question is... laziness. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nNEWCOMB GREENLEAF: Laziness?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Laziness, in the-- from the Buddhist approach, our part. That if we expect automatic accommodation, and we don't have to work too hard, so hoping that they could join in that way. And that becomes always a problem. And we have to learn to and respect their particular integrities first. And if we begin do that, then they respect our integrity afterwards. So the question is that we are hosting them, therefore, they expected to be civil right away -- is a problem. And we have-- as we know, we have our own integrity and ideas about how things *should* be. But at the same time, we have to cultivate and relate with what's happening, the other end. And particularly, it is very important for us -- and at the Institute, generally speaking -- that we feel and experience the outside of Naropa hemisphere and what kind of things goes on, and that should be respected further in some sense. And we are not trying to [laughs] invite them and force them to say that we-- they agree with us, particularly. [Laughs] But we are trying to find that there is mutual ground, which is truly should be mutual ground, definite mutual ground. That particular mutual ground has mutual respect and mutual intelligence. And if there's highest of the mutual ground and highest of the mutual intelligence, obviously things will meet together, that point. So I think from our point of view, that we have to really put out more effort and energy, understanding their particular type of human dignity and their intelligence further. And maybe we could try next time and see what happens next year. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nNEWCOMB GREENLEAF: I think Jeremy was who afterwards said he felt his sword was blunt at times and--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Sorry?\r\n\r\n\r\nNEWCOMB GREENLEAF: Jeremy afterwards, when we were discussing this at one point, said he felt his sword was blunt. And I think that was a feeling we all had, that we were unprepared for them and we'd become too ingrown and too used to talking to each other.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes. Well that's one of the problems is, actually, you might face in the future with any of the other disciplines in fact, as well. That we might find that maybe sword is too sharp; nobody want to touch it. That's possibility, too. In that case, we had to make our sword blunt. [Laughs] We supposed to speak out [INAUDIBLE] about particular discussion period, question period. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585#t=70.0,388.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585/transcript/40566/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 2]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: I suppose I would also like to comment on our experience with the scientists, and also just generally the question of being intellectual, being sharp. And one of the things that struck me very much about our symposium last week was how easy it was, when things became difficult, for us to fall into incredible aggression dealing with each other; and how much I felt that aggression in myself, and how much I experienced in others as well; and how easy it was to forget the integrity of the other people -- and the other people who I know and those people who I didn't know. And it seemed that when-- that in some ways, our sword was very dull; in other ways, it was sharp. But in any case, it was how we were using it, it seemed often. That it seemed that it was-- the aggressive-- I was very disturbed by the aggressive quality that I found in myself as well as in the discussions in the group.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. Well, I think that's good. That, you see, the point is that whatever we do, including Naropa Institute, that we have a constant journey going on all the time. And we don't have an ideal standard at all; our standard goes beyond any standard. So we can constantly perfect infinitely all the time. So that seem to be the point. And that seem to be, in the future generations, maybe Naropa Institute, its own saving grace, its own longevity is that we don't set hundred-percent particular standard. So once we meet that goal, then we relax and that's beginning of decadence. You know, that we keep on going all the time. And we might find that that is rather disturbing -- so you can't relax and just do your thing and then go home. But we have limitless thing to go on all the time.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: I suppose if I have anything to ask, it would be in terms of being involved in very specific kinds of discussions where a lot of aggression begins to come out in oneself and in others. I found that in the situations where I just sort of dropped out, that it-- I felt like I was copping out, when I just dropped out of the discussions. And yet if I engaged in the discussions, I was aggressive again.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, yeah. Well, maybe you are -- but, if I may so. But question is that we develop the system by saying, \"How was the meeting?\" \"Yes, meeting was good.\" That means everybody's agreeing with you, therefore, meeting was good. If there's any uproar, you know, we say \"meeting was questionable.\" And that kind of situation is-- should not apply for Naropa Institute, particularly at all. And if-- as long as there's any intelligence spoken at the meeting, either it is confrontation or confirmation, whatever, so there is a chance to sharpen everybody's prajna all the time going on. So I think that's what we trying to do anyway. Any book issues this time? No? [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nAUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE WORDS] .\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hope so. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585#t=388.0,624.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585/transcript/40566/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 3]\r\n\r\n\r\nJANE FAIGAO: Rinpoche, I'd like to suggest that, if it's all right with everyone, that before anyone asks a question or speaks, that they say who they are and what department they're from? So I'm Jane Faigao from the T'ai Chi department and I don't have any [laughing] questions. I just wanted to make that recommendation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585#t=624.0,690.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585/transcript/40566/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 4]\r\n\r\n\r\nFRANCISCO VARELA: Rinpoche, if I may pursue a point raised a moment ago, once -- oh, who am I? Francisco Varela from the science department.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nFRANCISCO VARELA: And I would like to [laughs] return to the experience of last week, which I think it very valuable in terms of what we have been thinking in-- and trying to do at the Science Department. One of the things that, to me, was most striking, and that Newcomb mentioned, was the fact that in science one never speaks beyond one personal standpoint. I always say, \"Well *my* theory says such and such,\" and then there's somewhat invitation for criticisms. And there is no problem in saying, \"Sure, I-- you're right. I agree. Your criticism is valid. I give up. Let's change my point of view.\" But in discussing Buddhism with scientists, we often found ourself in the position of saying, \"Well, Buddhism is not mine. There's-- it really belongs to nobody.\" And so how does one contrast a discourse in science, which takes always the possibility of saying \"let's change it\" with a style of thinking-- [laughs] a style of thinking and of knowledge in Buddhism, which is so different from that. Where one is so much oriented towards practice, and therefore, try to invalidate it or validate it is really besides the point. And I was wondering if you could comment further on that?\r\n\r\n\r\n[Unexplained Radio Chatter in background] [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585#t=690.0,800.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585/transcript/40566/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I don't know. The basic issue seem to be is that we are talking about two types of dharmas. That's the dharma discovery of science and dharma discovery of the buddhadharma. As you know, as Buddhist, we think in terms of that dharma is that way scientific at the same time. And we talked about introducing more of abhidharma approach to scientific situations.\r\n\r\n\r\nSeems that people have different idea of buddhadharma being a doctrine. Well, buddhadharma becomes a doctrine when it is begin to apply for ethics and behavior patterns. But in terms of the buddhadharma of prajna discovery -- of discovering mind, ego, and that kind of things -- is science, basically. So we're not asking to-- people to join in particularly from any standpoint.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585#t=800.0,907.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585/transcript/40566/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's... maybe some sense of desolation is necessary. That when you have confrontation with scientists and practitioners, together maybe, that nobody's inviting them into their-- each other's homes. They're meeting on Gobi Desert -- there's no water, very hot, sand dunes, and night is very cold. And that's the ultimate idea of vajra intellect concept. So any one of them, the scientists or the dharmic practitioners, begin to provide carpeting or any home-type approach; then there should be some problem-- there will be some problems that way. So we are not talking about a homing device from that point of view, but we are purely talking in terms of sitting on ice and appreciating icicles. It's sharp and cool, and to the extent even sometimes unfriendly, because that issue we are studying is not necessarily that of hospitality, particularly. When we discuss about the abhidharma, we study them, it's quite harsh one. It dissects your mind completely into pieces. And to begin with, dissect your mind into fifty-two pieces; then beyond that, you dissect them into five hundred pieces. You are operating-- performing operation on your mind by looking at them, and same as the scientific discoveries that way. So, I suppose there's a problem with the romantic scientists, but we are not particularly trying to cultivate romantic scientists. If you're a good scientist, you had to be sharp and vajra science, either it is Buddhist nature or traditional scientific nature. So nobody's providing beehives with honey in them. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585#t=907.0,1054.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585/transcript/40566/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 5]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: How's the Tibetan languages going these days?\r\n\r\n\r\nMicrophone?\r\n\r\n\r\nROBIN KORNMAN: You'd like a report, sir, on how the Tibetan language is going?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. Yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nROBIN KORNMAN: Well, what we've been doing is reading Western texts that describe Western Tibetan grammar in more traditional Tibetan terms instead of Western terms, and then presenting that in our basic grammar courses. And that seems to have helped a lot. Some sense of teaching Tibetan *thought*, along with grammar. And it seems to have facilitated the way how easily the students can accept Tibetan syntax, grammar, ways of expressing things. Following your suggestion, I tried to convince the students in the class that Tibetan was not a foreign language. [Laughter] They didn't believe me. [Laughter] But so instead, we took the approach of going into the Tibetan mind more. And [Alton L.] Pete Becker from the science program was very helpful in that. He talked about how he'd had to change his mind in order to learn Southeast Asian languages.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585#t=1054.0,1192.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585/transcript/40566/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"HAJ ROSS: I'm Haj Ross. I'm a linguist visiting with the science program. I don't want to make it seem that the people in the science program are monopolizing the discussion, [laughter] but I think this conference that a number of our colleagues have talked about was-- made a deep impression on us because it was very hard for us, and for the visitors, too. And what I wanted to hear from the people, particularly in the art departments here, dance and poetry, was whether they saw a possibility -- I'd also like to hear from you -- of possibly being a bridge between Buddhism and science. That seems like a very long leap now. And it seems to me, intuitively, that possibly an artistic view of the world and a Buddhist view of the world are closer. And also that an artistic and a scientific view, that there's a bridgeable gap between them. And possibly, the artists could help us in the job of joining all kinds of searchers for truth. It was a big job and we didn't succeed very well, we feel, in our attempt. But maybe the artists could help. I'd like to talk about that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585#t=1192.0,1275.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585/transcript/40566/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 7]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You like to say something?\r\n\r\n\r\nELEANOR ROSCH: Well, I'm not sure I agree with the -- hmm?\r\n\r\n\r\nAUDIENCE: Who are you?\r\n\r\n\r\nELEANOR ROSCH: Oh, Eleanor Rosch in the science program. And it wasn't all that bad. [Laughs; laughter] It's really this very difficult and unknown thing of these two traditions talking to each other.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Which two traditions?\r\n\r\n\r\nELEANOR ROSCH: Well, as Francisco said, that the buddhadharma isn't stated as a theory that you're going to play with or test in the same way that cognitive science theories are kind of played with and tested by that methodology, and that was the sticking point of people having trouble talking. But there was a lot of communication set up. Some of the people seemed to listen, and not only understood but contributed things and got ideas. So, you know, it wasn't... And also, the reverberations kind of afterwards of the same people being at another conference, they're talking about it and arguing about it, so...\r\n\r\n\r\nAbout using art as a bridge, well, I... The science program and the arts may have really lots of points of contact, because it's the same minds that are doing it. And in some sense, science is an art, very much so. But I'm not sure-- using it as a bridge sounds kind of apologetic, and I'm not...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I see. [Unknown gesture or incident] [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585#t=1275.0,1447.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585/transcript/40566/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 8]\r\n\r\n\r\nJOSEPH GOGUEN: Joseph Goguen from the science program. [Laughs] You're getting really a complete [laughs] cross section here, gosh. [Laughter; laughs] I found myself terribly embarrassed in this conference, and sometimes really enjoying it and sometimes really hating it--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Sometimes what?\r\n\r\n\r\nJOSEPH GOGUEN: Really hating it, wishing I weren't there. [Laughs] But on the whole, I think it was a very worthwhile experience for us in finding out what it's like to host a group from the sort of high-power professional philosopher's world, particularly. The philosophers seem to be the most rapacious of our guests. [Laughter; laughs] And I hope that we can do something like it again, and learn from [Trungpa Rinpoche laughs] some of the things that happened and make it better.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That sounds apologetic too. [Laughter; laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nJOSEPH GOGUEN: [Laughs] Yeah, I guess so.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nJOSEPH GOGUEN: I would think that, in terms of the arts, there are some real points of contact in the science program--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nJOSEPH GOGUEN: --particular Pete Becker's work with the Javanese--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nJOSEPH GOGUEN: --shadow theater is really a connection.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nJOSEPH GOGUEN: And if we did that, I would like to see us work on the things that are really strong points, rather than try to use it as a bridge of some kind.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. [UNCLEAR: How about that?] say something to that effect? Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585#t=1447.0,1561.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585/transcript/40566/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 9]\r\n\r\n\r\nPAUL ZIMET: I'm just wondering, listening to your question and--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Who are you, please?\r\n\r\n\r\nPAUL ZIMET: Oh, I'm Paul Zimet from the theater department. There's sort of an assumption that the gap *should* be bridged between science and Buddhism, and I'm wondering why? [Unknown gesture or incident] [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Microphone please.\r\n\r\n\r\nHAJ ROSS: Well, I'll speak for myself. I don't know to what extent this bothers other people. It bothers me very much. I feel like I live in a schizophrenic world, you know. And part of my time as a scientist, I spend thinking in one kind of way, arguing, and so on. And in the other part, in my practice, I'm doing something else. I have a feeling that they're the same thing in some way. I wish that -- or at least, I wish that I could make them the same thing. I don't know if that's an illusion or not. I guess, a number of the people here at the science program -- or we had a dialogue among ourselves after the meeting. A lot of people would like to somehow bridge the gap and put them together, in the hope either of doing better science or of understanding Buddhism better. I guess because the feeling is that how can-- we have the feeling that the knowledge which we gain through practice and the knowledge which we gain in the laboratory, or however scientists do it, it feels like the same stuff; it feels like knowledge.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nHAJ ROSS: And now maybe that's a delusion, you know, and there are people who speak like that, people who say they are. But it feels, at least inside me, as if it is not an illusion, and I'd like to put those halves of myself together but have not been able to yet.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585#t=1561.0,1682.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585/transcript/40566/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 10]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: How about Mr. Bill Douglas? Say anything on that, as an artist? Introduce yourself. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nBILL DOUGLAS: I'm Bill Douglas from the music department. [Trungpa Rinpoche laughs] I suppose we're trying to bridge all these gaps to provide further communication and further warmth between people, less aggression, basically. It seems easier working with an artistic discipline than working with an intellectual discipline in many ways, because artistic discipline is concerned with sort of opening out-- getting beyond one's particular concepts and conditioned patterns of mind, and actually opening up to the present moment more. In the case of dancers, opening up to one's body's sensation just... Case of music, music is a non-conceptual language that can evoke a person's basic warmth and tenderness, nobility, perkiness, sense of humor, whatever. This is beyond working with concepts, trying to convince people of particular conceptual patterns.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: How about your scales?\r\n\r\n\r\nBILL DOUGLAS: Scales?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nBILL DOUGLAS: [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Isn't that scientific?\r\n\r\n\r\nBILL DOUGLAS: Scientific if we want to start conceptualizing about the scales and talking about the frequencies of each note in the scale. My particular approach is not concerned with conceptualizing about the scales as much as having people play the scales exactly in tune and exactly in time.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nBILL DOUGLAS: [Laughs; Trungpa Rinpoche laughs] A cellist learning--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nBILL DOUGLAS: --how to relate to the bow, fingers -- presence, no concepts whatsoever exactly, just being present which is--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, there could be concept too.\r\n\r\n\r\nBILL DOUGLAS: Hmm?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: There could be concept. It's very accurate isn't it?\r\n\r\n\r\nBILL DOUGLAS: It could be.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You could have a bad scale. You could have a bad rhythm, right? If you don't keep up with a certain particular note. There will be good note and bad note, accurate note. It's almost putting in the microscope, from that point of view. How we bridge that with the openness.\r\n\r\n\r\nBILL DOUGLAS: Well, playing a note accurately and in tune in time is, I suspect--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nBILL DOUGLAS: --related to accurately seeing one's own mind.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nBILL DOUGLAS: --outside of particular conditioned, conceptual patterns. But it seems very worthwhile, and certainly a stepping stone towards opening up to,--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nBILL DOUGLAS: --let's say, the energy of the present moment outside of those concepts.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585#t=1682.0,1934.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585/transcript/40566/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 11]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: How about T'ai Chi? Connect with that? [Laughs] We have two issues seem to be today, is the scientific and intuition, right?\r\n\r\n\r\nJANE FAIGAO: Could you say it again?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Scientific and intuition.\r\n\r\n\r\nJANE FAIGAO: Yeah, but before that, you said \"what about the...\"\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well we have that particular issue happening this time. The science and intuition -- oh, I don't know what you call the other one -- or buddhadharma and the rest of the whole thing. So T'ai Chi--\r\n\r\n\r\nJANE FAIGAO: Can we call the other one creativity?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Sorry?\r\n\r\n\r\nJANE FAIGAO: Creativity.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What?\r\n\r\n\r\nAUDIENCE: Creativity.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Creativity, sure. Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nJANE FAIGAO: T'ai Chi is very scientific.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Very what?\r\n\r\n\r\nJANE FAIGAO: Very scientific.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. Ah ha!\r\n\r\n\r\nJANE FAIGAO: Like Bill was describing music. It's very exact, you know. And within the exactness, there is a great deal of freedom and creativity that's hard to describe.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nJANE FAIGAO: It has to do with how much you can relax, I think.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nJANE FAIGAO: So there's both in T'ai Chi.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Do you find any frustration in teaching in Naropa that way with the students?\r\n\r\n\r\nJANE FAIGAO: I find frustration with any journey, and my journey is around T'ai Chi. But as far as teaching, no, I find it very rewarding. You know, it's been very rewarding the past few years.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: How about the spontaneity part of it?\r\n\r\n\r\nJANE FAIGAO: Good!\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What you mean by that? [Laughter; laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nJANE FAIGAO: Once people get the idea that there is an exactness to T'ai Chi--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nJANE FAIGAO: --and the exactness I'm talking about, you understand alignment of body and things; then the spontaneity is done individually and internally within that structure.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. Mhmm, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nJANE FAIGAO: So it's largely up to the student. We're only there to--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes, mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nJANE FAIGAO: --crack the whip, [laughing] [UNCLEAR: line them up?] , or whatever.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585#t=1934.0,2067.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585/transcript/40566/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 12]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: How about the poetics? Scientific? And the others -- [laughing] I suppose we could say, this point. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Well, I came in and was still a little spaced out, so I didn't hear Mr. Newcomb's [Greenleaf]-- or I didn't understand fully your presentation of what the difficulties were in the colloquy between the scientists and the Buddhists.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, well that's the--\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: And I don't know if that was fully defined?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --that's whole thing come up from that discussion.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Yes. Yes, I know that but--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: So...\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: --I was wondering what were the terms of the gulf that had to be-- or what were the terms of the two precipices--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Not necessarily precipices, it could be [UNCLEAR: plane?] . [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Okay. Well, I think the image was a bridge that had to bridge some space.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: So what were the--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well the-- how the scientific disciplines relate with the others.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Yeah, but what were the difficulties? You see, I wondered, were those defined for us here? The precise difficulties?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, gentleman here said something.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Or what was the-- could you-- I'm a little confused because I didn't catch the precise point where the was a point of argument, say, or point of difference or point of--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: There's none.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: --disconnection.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: There's none.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: No, but people *thought* there was, [laughter] so there must have been some.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: There's none.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: In other words, what was the illusion of disconnection? [Trungpa Rinpoche laughs; laughter] Could somebody define that? Because I will do that for the poetics department.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585#t=2067.0,2175.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585/transcript/40566/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 13]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Maybe you could say something about that?\r\n\r\n\r\nNEWCOMB GREENLEAF: Well, I think the main problem was that Buddhism was seen as sort of like pure tradition with no willingness of the Buddhists to say, \"Well, maybe you're right, there should be seven skandhas.\" Rather that Buddhism was presented in terms of the tradition, without giving the scientists anything that they could falsify. A scientist without something that he thinks he might falsify gets very unhappy. And it-- I think it also has a lot to do with the way we use language. And the scientists kept accusing us of contradicting ourselves. And they wanted yes/no answers to, you know, \"Is this the same as that?\" when, from our standpoint, they didn't understand what \"this\" was and they didn't understand what \"that\" was; and yet, they absolutely wanted yes or no. And there was a very different style of talking there, and it sometimes worked and sometimes didn't.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I think, apart from that, we have something else happening there we have to keep in mind is that how we going to communicate what we have discovered, what we are doing in our discipline, to our students, which is a greater element that comes in. That whether we know what we are doing, which is something else, but whether *they* know what we are doing is something else entirely, and how that could be mingled all together.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585#t=2175.0,2271.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585/transcript/40566/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 14]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: So -- sorry, Allen?\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Well that clears up some. For the benefit of the scientists who are bewildered, there is also some psychological confusion or conflict--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: How about the poetics conflict?\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: --in the poetics department. [Laughs] That would consist-- if it were-- if I were to try and name it or put a label on it, it would be the idea of individualistic esthetics versus hierarchical esthetics. And a feeling of intimidation by the poets, particularly those who are not Buddhists, that because of the hierarchical nature of the sangha, and somewhat of the school, that opinions delivered by Rinpoche or the Regent are then filtered down through the administration; [Trungpa Rinpoche laughs] and as esthetic judgments, they might be faulty, but nobody's willing to criticize them.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, you try to find out whether poetics are scientific.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Well, so that there's, in a sense, some attempt to impose a hierarchical or scientific or completely rationalistic approach to poetics--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, that becomes linguistic.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: --as distinct from a more intuitive and sloppier, individualistic approach to poetics.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: So that it hasn't proved to be utterly unbridgeable, because both the poetics and the Buddhist approaches have been involved with observation of mind, observation of consciousness, observation of--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Is that scientific?\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: It's observation of data.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Is scientific.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Somewhat, somewhat.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Why? Why somewhat?\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Well, the measuring instrument seems to alter the data. [Trungpa Rinpoche laughs; laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\n[GAP IN AUDIO]\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: So at any rate, but so there's been a bit of a conflict, which does border on the area that you're concerned with -- though it gets into more personal and emotional matters.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What would you say to that?\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Does that make sense to you?\r\n\r\n\r\nHAJ ROSS: [INAUDIBLE WORDS] [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585#t=2271.0,2416.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585/transcript/40566/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 15]\r\n\r\n\r\nHAJ ROSS: Yeah, I can hear-- I can understand that. I think that was one of the problems in our conference, too -- the feeling possibly of, what somebody referred to afterward as a sort of a monopoly on spirituality. That there possibly might have been other spiritual traditions represented amongst scientists, that scientists might have been interested in trying to be a Taoist, say, or be a Christian or a Baha'i or something, and put that aspect of their lives-- they might feel equally schizophrenic with respect to their spiritual and religious practice. And there was various Buddhist traditions, several Buddhist traditions were represented in our meeting; and several times in the meeting, there were discussions about different Buddhist perspectives on questions of dharma. That was also an interesting aspect.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585#t=2416.0,2488.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585/transcript/40566/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 16]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. Do you have something to say? Yes. Introduce yourself.\r\n\r\n\r\nLOU NORDSTROM: My name is Lou Nordstrom and I'm-- I guess I would represent the others. I taught a Zen Buddhism class last session. I don't know, it seems to me it would be nice to find some way of speaking, which would cut across art and science--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Can you hold your microphone towards--\r\n\r\n\r\nLOU NORDSTROM: Be nice to find some -- [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: There we go, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nLOU NORDSTROM: It would be nice to find some way of speaking about these things, which cut across the departmental lines, like art, science, what have you. One issue that occurred to me in the conference, and I had the fortune or misfortune to participate in it, had to do with the extent to which a given discipline transforms the individual. And one issue that seemed to arise, as far as I was concerned, was that there was a kind of schizoid pattern amongst some of the scientists, in the sense that they, for example, would speak of the importance of vulnerability in their work, but there was no question of bringing that home, so to speak. And I think that may be one real issue, whether you're a poet or a scientist or an intellectual, the extent to which you keep your work separate from your life. And I guess if meditation means anything to me, it means that sense of transformation, you know, eliminating that schizoidal kind of state of mind.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585#t=2488.0,2585.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585/transcript/40566/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 17]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mr. Podvoll, what you say on this particular issue?\r\n\r\n\r\nEDWARD PODVOLL: Edward Podvoll in psychology. I think in psychology, it's somewhat easier. Because when Buddhist psychologists speak to psychological traditions in the West, we're not talking so much about the theories anymore. It's not a matter--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Not so much what?\r\n\r\n\r\nEDWARD PODVOLL: About theories.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nEDWARD PODVOLL: It's much easier, it seems, for us to-- as if to take some steps backwards and talk about common experiences of working with mind or working with people. And then it's a matter of jointly examining those experiences. Where science comes in, in this sense, is the way that those experiences of working with people, that common ground, is examined and the clarity with which that takes place. So the scientific aspect is-- would be clarifying the instrument of observation. And every tradition of any value seems to have their own techniques of clarifying the instrument. And so there again we can talk and make some comparisons about what's observed and how it's observed. But I think going back to common experiences, rather than theories or playing with concepts, seems to make a dialogue much more reasonable.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585#t=2585.0,2705.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585/transcript/40566/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 18]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Who else we have? Mr. Goldfarb? Introduce yourself.\r\n\r\n\r\nPETER GOLDFARB: Peter Goldfarb. I'm Peter Goldfarb and I teach in the theater department. Getting back to this, I mean, we've all been talking -- or a lot of us have been talking -- about this notion of a gap and bridging a gap. And I don't know, it just sort of started to sound a little bit suspicious to me. And I'm wondering if one of the problems is that we too much assume the fact that there is a gap and get trapped. I mean, I've seen situations occur -- I was not present at the science colloquium -- but I've seen situations occur, both here and elsewhere, in dialogues that had to do with the Buddhism and some other discipline in which somehow that those people who were speaking on the side of the Buddhists were trapped and seduced into a false dichotomy and a false split, as though on that side was science and on this side is Buddhism, or over there is art and over here is science, or whatever. And I somehow think that that's artificial. Certainly, from a historical perspective, there was a time in the history of our civilization when no such division existed, and there's ample evidence behind us that-- so that also makes it a little suspicious, that perhaps this division is an artificial one. And by the same token, that's why perhaps we all feel a some sort of intuitive need or desire to redress the balance. And the reason that we feel that is because that balance or that synthesis is natural and harmonious and organic. So that-- and I also remember, if I may be so presumptuous as to quote you sir, something that you said when I once asked you a question having to do with bridging two things, and you said, \"Well before you have a bridge, you have to have the river.\" And so I think the danger may be happening here, that we're talking too much about the bridges be-- without paying attention to the river. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585#t=2705.0,2858.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585/transcript/40566/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 19]\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: I don't understand that. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well great, say something.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: [INAUDIBLE] --\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Quick, quick! Microphone! [Laughter; laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: I brought up the problem of a hierarchical versus a individualistic perception--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I beg your pardon?[Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: --which everybody wants to gloss over and make believe it doesn't exist or is some-- just illusions, therefore, will vanish of its own without addressing it. But the Merwin incident of course is the central symbolic presentation of that, and that of course has disturbed everybody, including myself. And to put it philosophically, which-- because it's an interesting subject, it's the question of hierarchical, I would say, versus our American tradition of more individualistic-- TRUNGPA RINPOCHE:Can we put that scientifically, too?\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Well--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That might be interesting point.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: --I was asked the question--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: At the moment, interested in scientifically.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Well, I don't know how to put it in scientific terms.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [Laughs] Maybe that's the key to it.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Well, I could sort of -- no, I think I'll-- yes. [Laughter] My science is so infinite that it has no definition. [Trungpa Rinpoche laughs] It's identical with [UNCLEAR: event?].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: This definition is identical with [UNCLEAR: event?].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm. Well--\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: May I sir, for a moment, please. I think the difficulty that we found in the poetics department is that esthetic pronouncements, such as on rock and roll or Western art, are taken as somewhat as ex cathedra pronouncements by the Buddhist community. And then, that offends or alienates members of the poetics department or the poetic community, and there isn't sufficient philosophical or esthetic communication or discussion thereafter. So that what discordance or discontinuity of thinking emerges doesn't ever get bridged because there's no talk about it. And when people do talk about it, there's a little bit of fear that there might be some kind of confrontation that would be embarrassing, I think. Or at least that's my fear, I should say, perhaps my own projection. But I think that that's a general feeling.\r\n\r\n\r\nSo that, for instance, in the large lectures which are part of Naropa, where you've made a few pronouncements about 20th century art, although people listen very sympathetically and want to agree or understand, there probably is a good deal of doubt and disagreement which is not voiced and not discussed; partly because of the-- some sense of respect for you, and some sense of a great respect, so that nobody wants to aggressively argue back and shut their ears to some wisdom that might come in if they were quiet enough to receive it. But on the other hand, a great many people still don't quite agree and go away disagreeing, and there probably isn't sufficient public discussion of that. So that's why I was trying to bring it up here. 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I think we may have drifted into a mistaken view of science, especially in opposing science and creativity. And I think that when we're talking about science, we're sometimes presenting it as a very rigid, conceptual structure. But in our experience as scientists, we have that same experience of creativity. 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I've also been going to many classes in the science, philosophy departments, and loved them, reveled in them. I witnessed those impasses you speak of that occurred from-- at times. What I wonder is, I listened to Pete Becker who talked about the differences between one culture and another, and how an assumption that he made about something very basic, it took him fifteen years to realize that in Java that was not indeed *their* assumption. And I wonder why you thought that in three days people from such disparate backgrounds would find a common ground? It seems to me an amazingly short time to arrive at such a thing. And my only suggestion or hope would be that you will do it again as soon as you can.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585#t=3143.0,3212.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585/transcript/40566/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: CLOSING REMARKS]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, maybe we have to conclude this meeting, this point, since we have another function's happening in this particular space right away. I appreciate very much that we are paying more attention to scientific work of discovering and respecting that particular approach, which seems to be the basic integrity of Naropa Institute altogether in connection with art and Buddhist practices and psychology, whatever way goes on.\r\n\r\n\r\nThe general point is that we would like to be very direct in dealing with human nature or nature of the world, so that we could come up with some idea of understanding how that there could be sympathy and softness can take place in the scientific approach. At the same time, there's intuitive approach at the same time goes on with that, which is a social implication, and such as like Merwin incident or whatever might happen as well, which is also scientific one as well as is a social one at the same time. They all comes together. Nothing become completely separate. So that seem to be the basic integrity of Naropa Institute, starting from study of worms up to study of abhidharma, that we have intuition and intellect put together. That is our approach, altogether. That is the motto of Naropa Institute: putting intellect and intuition together.\r\n\r\n\r\nAnd thank you everybody very much in taking part in this. Obviously, we could have more lively discussion if we went on, but since time doesn't permit. But I'm very grateful all of you coming here and teaching us. And hopefully you could come back with us, and work with us on that particular basis of intellect, intuition put together. That people should have precision why they studying, why they learning. And when they realize why they learning, why they studying, they also should realize *what* they're learning, what they're studying; and they have ground-- background, path of journey, and fruition of accomplishment happening at the same time. And then people become good artist. Eventually speaking, I would believe that either it is scientific or otherwise, I regard as whole thing as work of art actually, that point of view. And art of life, learn how to do our things and how to take care of ourselves. And that's what we trying to teach our students. And not neglecting any corner of the universe that's been not studied, so people can understand themselves and others; and in turn, they understand the others and themselves together. Thank you very, very much.\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. 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Mhmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585#t=1904.61,1906.16"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585/transcript/40567/annotation/500","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BILL DOUGLAS: --outside of\nparticular conditioned,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585#t=1906.16,1909.61"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585/transcript/40567/annotation/501","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"conceptual patterns.\nBut it seems very 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Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585#t=1923.155,1925.01"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585/transcript/40567/annotation/505","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE:\nHow about T'ai Chi?\nConnect with that? 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right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585#t=1937.08,1943.53"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585/transcript/40567/annotation/508","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"JANE FAIGAO:\nCould you say it again?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585#t=1943.53,1944.82"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585/transcript/40567/annotation/509","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE:\nScientific and 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Mhmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585#t=1986.11,1989.58"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585/transcript/40567/annotation/526","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"JANE FAIGAO: It has to do with\nhow much you can relax, I think.\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585#t=1989.58,1995.98"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585/transcript/40567/annotation/527","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"JANE FAIGAO:\nSo there's both in T'ai 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Good!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585#t=2028.59,2030.26"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585/transcript/40567/annotation/536","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE:\nWhat you mean by that?\n[Laughter; laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585#t=2030.26,2034.45"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585/transcript/40567/annotation/537","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"JANE FAIGAO:\nOnce people get the 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Mhmm, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585#t=2053.04,2056.93"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585/transcript/40567/annotation/544","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"JANE FAIGAO:\nSo it's largely up\nto the student.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585#t=2056.93,2059.155"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585/transcript/40567/annotation/545","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We're only there to--\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes, mhmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585#t=2059.155,2061.34"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585/transcript/40567/annotation/546","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"JANE FAIGAO:\n--crack the whip,\n[laughing]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585#t=2061.34,2063.82"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585/transcript/40567/annotation/547","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[UNCLEAR: line them up?] ,\nor whatever.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585#t=2063.82,2065.11"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585/transcript/40567/annotation/548","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE:\nYeah. Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585#t=2065.11,2067.94"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585/transcript/40567/annotation/549","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE:\nHow about the poetics?\nScientific?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585#t=2067.94,2075.805"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76200/file/164585/transcript/40567/annotation/550","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And the others 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