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Mukpo - All rights reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Year"]},"value":{"en":["1971"]}}],"summary":{"en":["\u003cp\u003e\"Talk 1: Bardo\" Q\u0026amp;A period continued from the day before.\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e"]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003e\u0026copy; Diana J. 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Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]\r\n\r\n\r\nORIGINAL SLATE: This will be Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, seminar on the Six States of Bardo held in Allenspark, Colorado in July, 1971. This will be the discussion prior to the lecture on July 16th.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138126/file/256014#t=0.0,19.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138126/file/256014/transcript/72334/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 1]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Perhaps we could begin with questions that come up from the group discussion this morning or anything related to it.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: You’re asking us for questions?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: We were talking this morning about ego. And we spent some time trying to, like, find what it was and-- or I don’t know. And it seems like when we were trying to define it we were getting very intellectual, and we found that too much, we didn't have a feeling for what ego was. And although everybody sort of said that they could feel what it was, could you say what it is? [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Question about people, did you say?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: Excuse me.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Did you say people?\r\n\r\n\r\nAUDIENCE: Ego.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Ego. I see, ego. What is the problem? [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: What is it?\r\n\r\n\r\nAUDIENCE: What to do with it?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: The problem is because everybody said what they thought was ego, you know, and everybody came up with a different answer, and I'd like to hear your answer.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. Do you mean whatever they present themselves are purely ego. Is that what it is?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: No it was-- everybody was using the word \"ego\", you know?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: If someone stopped and they said, \"What is-- what do you mean by 'ego'?\" And someone said, \"Well all life has ego. Plants have ego, and such and such has ego.\" Someone else says, \"No, ego is some neurotic way where you don't see what really is. It's some kind of judgment on reality.\" Other people say, \"No, it's a state of mind, and you scientifically become [INAUDIBLE].\"\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well there seem to be different way of using the word \"ego\". And to some people the ego is that which sustain them. That which gives you-- anyone some kind of guiding line or practicality of dealing with things are referred as ego. Conscious of being oneself, and you put your effort through it. So any kind of self-respect is referred as ego, which is a general thing. But in ego, in terms of what we are discussing, is something slightly different than that. You could have a basic sound and a basic understanding of logic of things as they are -- without ego. And ego in this case is that constantly involved with some kind of paranoia or some kind of panic that -- in other word some kind of hope and fear. That is to say that as you operate there is a constant reference back to you. As you referred back to you then the criteria of reference develops in terms of hope and fear of losing one's identity or gaining something; it's constant battle. That seems to be the ego in this case, which is neurotic aspect.\r\n\r\n\r\nBut you can have in fact greater sanity beyond that ego. You can deal with situations without hope and fear. And you can in a sense retain your self-respect or your logical sanity in dealing with things. Continuously you can do so, and in fact much greater skill, in greater way, if you don't have to make the journey to and fro, and you don't have to have running commentary going side by side with your operation. In fact it is more powerful and more definite.\r\n\r\n\r\nYou see, getting beyond ego doesn't mean to say that you have to lose any kind of contacts with reality at all. I think that's, a lot of cases, misunderstanding the reference of that you need ego and without that you can't operate. That's very sort of convenient basic twist, amalgamating the hope and fear as well as the notion of sanity amalgamated together, and trying to use as kind of excuse of you need some basic ground to operate, which is, I would say, misunderstanding. Same as that people often talk in terms of if you are completely enlightened being, then you have no dualistic notion of things. It's sort of idea of ultimate zombie, [laughter; laughs] which is doesn't seem to be particularly inspiring or creative, at all. [Laughter; laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138126/file/256014#t=19.0,458.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138126/file/256014/transcript/72334/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 2]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: What do you mean by basic sanity?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Who said that? [Laughter; laughs] Well it's relating with things come up within your experiences and knowing the experiences as they are. I mean it's kind of rhythm between experience and your basic being. It's like driving on the road accordance with situation of the road. It's kind of interchange. That is basic sanity of clear perception. Otherwise if you wanted to reshape the road accordance with your excitement or your wishes, then possibility is that instead of changing, reshaping the road, the road reshapes you. And you end up being-- end up in an accident. That's insane, suicidal.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138126/file/256014#t=458.0,541.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138126/file/256014/transcript/72334/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 3]\r\n\r\n\r\nLILLA KALMAN: How about vajrayana, crazy wisdom?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well crazy wisdom-- that's very good question -- is in fact you have complete exchange with road. That the shape of the road becomes your pattern as well, so there's no hesitation at all. It's complete control, as well as-- not only control, but complete dance with it, which is very sharp and penetrating and quick precision. And that precision also comes from the outside situation, but not being afraid of outside situation, to tune into it. That's the fearlessness quality of crazy wisdom.\r\n\r\n\r\nLILLA KALMAN: [UNCLEAR: How about you? How  that’s true?] ?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Seems. [Laughs; laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138126/file/256014#t=541.0,607.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138126/file/256014/transcript/72334/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 4]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: What is karma? And what do you mean when you say the \"simple-minded attitude towards karma?\" I remember you mentioned that last night.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well it seems to be they are different -- all sorts of different types of attitude towards this kind of karma. Is that-- the one thing is that if you constantly trying to be good, then there will be constant good results. That's the one type of attitude to karma, which doesn't help you to transcend karmic creation. The ultimate idea is transcend sowing seed of any either good or bad karma -- but by doing that you perpetually creating more karma so you are continuously wound up in wheel of samsara. And the other type of karma is that connected with rebirth, life after death, is that pure blind faith. And that brings certain amount of psychological comfort. That this in not the only life but there are lot more others; other situations will come up so you can-- you don't have to feel fatalistic any more. That's another kind of attitude to karma. I mean which is not dealing with the root of the karmic situation but it's purely trying to play games with it or else trying to use karma as comforter. Which based on that distrust in oneself, that knowing that you are making mistakes, but even if you made mistakes you can afford to correct them because you have a long, long time, endless time, to correct them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138126/file/256014#t=607.0,743.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138126/file/256014/transcript/72334/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 5]\r\n\r\n\r\nLILLA KALMAN: Is karma and trace the same thing? Because also everyone is involved in an exchange. But I understood that an enlightened person doesn’t carry a trace or a pattern, [INAUDIBLE] before. And the rest of us does. Is that the same thing?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Trace, did you say?\r\n\r\n\r\nLILLA KALMAN: Trace, yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. Well in terms of enlightened being, and his attitude to karmic pattern, is either of the two polarities of good and bad is the same pattern. Sort of dead end, fundamentally. So there’s no fear involved. And in fact more effort of-- more spontaneous effort of transcending that sowing seed. In the ordinary case that you are not quite sure what you are doing, and there’s a fear of the end result anyway, so it’s constant panic of losing oneself, the ego.\r\n\r\n\r\nLILLA KALMAN: Fear or hope, did you say?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: A fear of...\r\n\r\n\r\nLILLA KALMAN: Fear or hope.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Fear or hope, yeah, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138126/file/256014#t=743.0,839.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138126/file/256014/transcript/72334/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 6]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: When we speak of reincarnation, could you discuss what it is that reincarnates, especially in relation to doctrines like the Theravada anatta or anatman? What is it that reincarnates?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well... well, from a point of view of anatta, nothing reincarnate in terms of word \"reincarnation\". It is more of rebirth process rather than reincarnation. It's like the idea of the living quality being passed on to next being, like Christ is being reincarnation of God. That kind of idea of solid substance being passed on to. But in this case it is more of rebirth. You see something continues but at the same time nothing continues in the sense of like running stream. That you could say such and such river, such and such stream, it has name, but if you examined carefully, that river that you named a few hundred years ago wasn't there at all. It was completely different, changing, passing, all the time. It's kind of transforming from one aspect to another situations complete transformation, which makes possible to take rebirth. If one thing continue all the time there's no possibilities of taking rebirth and evolving into another situations. It’s the *change* which is more important in terms of rebirth rather than one thing continuing.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: Doesn't that happen moment to moment in a single lifetime?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes, exactly. You see the ultimate idea of rebirth is not purely the idea of birth and death. Birth and death are very crude example of it. Actual rebirth takes place every moment, every incident. Every incident is death as well as every incident is birth. The changing process, that nothing you can grasp onto anymore. Everything is changing process. But there's some continuity of it, of course. That is the change is continuity. The impermanent of the reincarnation, rebirth, is the continuity of it. And because of that then there is possibilities of developing or possibilities of regressing. Certain new element and inspirations could insert into that continual change. Now you can enter yourself into middle of queue if you are queuing, because this queue is made out of small particles of people, rather than one thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138126/file/256014#t=839.0,1045.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138126/file/256014/transcript/72334/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 7]\r\n\r\n\r\nCYRUS CRANE: [INAUDIBLE] what's reincarnated [INAUDIBLE] the alaya consciousness. I was wondering, is there a [INAUDIBLE]. There's a lot of projections about it. [INAUDIBLE] a package deal. [INAUDIBLE]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I think it is, could be said, yeah. But in order to have alaya consciousness, you have to have changes taking place all the time. I mean this common ground idea is not ground in terms of solid ground, but perpetually changing ground. That's why it remains as consciousness, or unconscious state, the changing process.\r\n\r\n\r\nCYRUS CRANE: [INAUDIBLE] that you're going to go into a certain mold. How can the alaya consciousness [INAUDIBLE] decide that [INAUDIBLE] going to be reincarnated as this particular [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well it happens. [laughter] I mean nobody decide to have summer at this particular time and winter at this particular time, but it happens.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: How do you know that?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well it is summer, isn't it now?\r\n\r\n\r\nCYRUS CRANE: [INAUDIBLE WORDS]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm?\r\n\r\n\r\nCYRUS CRANE: Influence.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Influence of self, I suppose.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138126/file/256014#t=1045.0,1162.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138126/file/256014/transcript/72334/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 8]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: This morning there was some confusion in our group as to whether or not dealing with the problems of everyday life, and in meditating, what the place of technique was. From both extremes to \"there's all sorts of wonderful techniques\" to \"we shouldn't-- there shouldn't be any technique at all.\"\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well nevertheless, if there isn't any techniques there-- if there shouldn't be any techniques or there should be any techniques, both remains techniques in any case. [Laughter] I mean you can't step out of anything because that you got the best, you see. It's a question of what is needed there. And some kind of application becomes a technique anyway, so therefore there is continual room for discipline.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: Then is the idea of-- is the technique of \"no technique\" a fiction?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Is what?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: Is the technique of \"no technique\" a fiction, non-existent? In fact we always have to apply some technique?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, when you talk about \"no technique\" or \"there is technique\", when you begin to speak those terms of \"yes\" and \"no\", then that is automatically polarity. And how much you able to reduce your negativity into nothingness, it still remains negative opposed to the positive. But at the same time, that without sophisticated technique of everyday life, practice of meditation is, in a sense, more ruthless. In other word, not comforting and not easy one. It's very narrow and direct path because you can't introduce any other means of occupying yourself. Everything's left complete bare minimum of simplicity, which also helps to discover everything. I mean, if you present the simplicity of nothingness, or the absence of technique, so-called absence of technique, then that absence produces tremendous creative process which means not-- nothing means everything in this case. And it helps you to learn to be not afraid of to dance, go along and dance and not be afraid of too many things crowding into you. It helps-- it keeps that kind of guideline of simplicity. Whereas if you have already complex techniques and patterns, then you have already full-- I mean handful of things, then you don't want to pick up anymore on any other situation that comes in. That becomes overcrowding. But all these tactics, so to speak, is from a fundamental point of view, still act of duality, of course.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: So is that all right to act-- is that the best we can do now, at this point, to act on that duality?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well there's no other things to work on. And the best you can do is just work on what we have.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138126/file/256014#t=1162.0,1416.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138126/file/256014/transcript/72334/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 9]\r\n\r\n\r\nLILLA KALMAN: Some people [UNCLEAR: arrive to this state?] without knowing it, in fact denouncing it. I have met somebody whom-- with whom I try to talk about meditation and so on, and he was very emphatically and definitely against all these things. In fact he wouldn't even read the books I gave him, because he said that he is a man of action and he won't do any such nonsense. And in my conduct with him it was very obvious that he was very often in a pattern we call meditation, but I don't know, if I told him he would be furious. But he was in a state-- in a very relaxed-- or, I don't know what the word is, state of meditation--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nLILLA KALMAN: But he obviously wouldn't call it so. He didn't know anything about it, and if I told him he would just be furious. I know. I did tell him. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [Laughs] Yeah. Well, you see that is, that--\r\n\r\n\r\nLILLA KALMAN: What is happening?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well you see...\r\n\r\n\r\nLILLA KALMAN: [UNCLEAR: Not practicing any of  it?] not really at all.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. Well I mean that's always thing. Even if you have start on the bare minimum of complete nothingness, and it tend to bring you some kind of... something anyway, and you end up practicing teaching of something. That's automatically happens. I mean before you realize where you are, you are-- you have technique. Before you realize where you are, you have religion, so to speak, you have a spiritual path anyway of something. You see you can't completely ignore the whole thing completely. Because the whole idea is that if you reject everything completely, then that means there is still rejector. As long as there's a rejector to the situations then you have some-- you have path of something, because if you ignore completely the road, but still there will be two pair of feet you know, and you have to trod on something, that automatically happens. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nLILLA KALMAN: Because there are other people who have sort of read many books on Buddhism and perhaps like practice of meditation and my-- as far as I can sense or understand, were not in my knowledge in a similar state of meditation, although they try it. But he was completely unaware and rejecting, and it was-- I mean I completely-- it was a very strong sense of...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. Well I think that's always things work this kind of logic. If you commit yourself, collecting a lot of things, you end up being poor. But if you reject -- or not exactly reject but if you purely accept everything as bare simplicity then you become rich. Well these two polarities, these two aspects continues all the time. That's natural thing. I mean it doesn't matter whether you are studying Christianity or Buddhism, or whatever it may be, or whatever technique or whatever tradition may be, it's still the same thing. As far as ego is concerned it's still stuff that you are collecting. It doesn't matter what this stuff is consist of, but still you are collecting something.\r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. 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