{"@context":"http://iiif.io/api/presentation/3/context.json","id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/iiif/jh3cz33n42/manifest","type":"Manifest","label":{"en":["1971-09-26: Tibetan Book of the Dead I: Talk 3: The Six Realms"]},"logo":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/209/original/cti-library-logo-blue-text.png?1672724952","metadata":[{"label":{"en":["Date"]},"value":{"en":["1971-09-26"]}},{"label":{"en":["Format"]},"value":{"en":["Audio"]}},{"label":{"en":["Location"]},"value":{"en":["Karme Choling, Barnet, Vermont, USA"]}},{"label":{"en":["Event Type"]},"value":{"en":["Public Seminar"]}},{"label":{"en":["Seminar or Series Title"]},"value":{"en":["\u003ca href=\"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/playlists/394/show\"\u003eTibetan Book of the Dead I\u003c/a\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Talk Title"]},"value":{"en":["Talk 3: The Six Realms"]}},{"label":{"en":["Theme"]},"value":{"en":["Death and Dying","Buddhist Vajrayana and Tantra"]}},{"label":{"en":["Summary"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eAfter the “clear light” experience, basic tendency of grasping develops into the experience of the “six realms of existence”, which applies to our psychological states. Hell realm relates to various forms of aggression; animal realm to security of ignorance; hungry ghost to insatiability; human realm to passion; jealous gods as efficient use of paranoia; god realm dwelling in pleasure. The realms as source of samsara; understanding them helpful for navigating bardo experience. All have two sides: neutral energy of dharmakaya, or the confused energy of ego solidification. In Q\u0026amp;A, more on “clear light” and the six realms; relationship of the six realms to the five buddha families and the three kayas.\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication"]},"value":{"en":["BOOK: Tibetan Book of the Dead","BOOK: Collected Works Vol 06"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication Details"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eBOOK: TIBETAN BOOK OF THE DEAD: Commentary: The Realm of Hell; The Hungry Ghost Realm; The Animal Realm; The Human Realm; The Realm of the Jealous Gods; The Realm of the Gods (edited excerpts)\u003cbr\u003e-- from \u003ca href=\"https://www.shambhala.com/the-tibetan-book-of-the-dead-1540.html\"\u003eShambhala Publications\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eBOOK: COLLECTED WORKS VOL 6 (in contained book TIBETAN BOOK OF THE DEAD)\u003cbr\u003e-- from \u003ca href=\"https://www.shambhala.com/the-collected-works-of-chogyam-trungpa-380.html\"\u003eShambhala Publications\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Transcription Credits"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eAug 15 2019 to Jun 11 2021 Transcribing: Travis May Checking: Ella Milligan Final Proof: Anne Seidlitz Terminology Review: Lynn Friedman Other Contributors: Lynn Friedman, Warner Dick\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003e© Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Year"]},"value":{"en":["1971"]}}],"summary":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eAfter the \u0026ldquo;clear light\u0026rdquo; experience, basic tendency of grasping develops into the experience of the \u0026ldquo;six realms of existence\u0026rdquo;, which applies to our psychological states. Hell realm relates to various forms of aggression; animal realm to security of ignorance; hungry ghost to insatiability; human realm to passion; jealous gods as efficient use of paranoia; god realm dwelling in pleasure. The realms as source of samsara; understanding them helpful for navigating bardo experience. All have two sides: neutral energy of dharmakaya, or the confused energy of ego solidification. In Q\u0026amp;A, more on \u0026ldquo;clear light\u0026rdquo; and the six realms; relationship of the six realms to the five buddha families and the three kayas.\u003c/p\u003e"]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003e\u0026copy; Diana J. 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Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]\r\n\r\n\r\nARP SLATE: This is the Venerable Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, seminar on Tibetan Book of the Dead held at Tail of the Tiger, Vermont. This will be talk Number Three, held September 26th, 1971. This is an ARP digital remaster made March, 2006.\r\n\r\n\r\nORIGINAL SLATE: This will be Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, seminar on The Tibetan Book of the Dead, held at Tail of the Tiger in September 1971. This will be talk number three, part one, entitled \"Six Realms of Existence.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=0.0,37.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: MAIN TALK]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: On the basis of clear light experience we discussed yesterday, that there is-- seems to be next step, in terms of clear light experience in everyday life situation. That is, the living and in the life, in a living situation, that clear light experience also occurs. And that invites possibilities of either maintaining or-- and clear light experience leading to a sudden glimpse of satori experience, or meditative experience of sudden glimpse.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=37.0,119.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Seems that if you work the very subtle experience in our life situation, that you have a sudden glimpse of clear light, which is a kind of no-man's land. And then, some intelligence begin to connect that to awake state of mind. So you have the sudden flash, of glimpse of buddha nature, or glimpse of satori, or whatever you like to call it, it happens.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=119.0,163.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It may not be particularly obvious, when we do experience that. The only thing we experience alone is that experience of sudden flash of meditative state, which is-- could be also called dharmakaya state or whatever you like to put it. So any of those state had to be proceeded by kind of primeval blank, or primeval luminosity which is the clear light. And, from there, the next stage begin to develop. But on the other hand, if a person has no means of connecting with the basic intelligence, and confused energy still forces our process of mind, dominates, then there's blank building up of energy, and then finally, falling down, into different levels of diluted energy, so to speak, from the absolute energy of clear light. The way to fall into a different level of energy -- diluted energy -- is-- could be said in terms of some basic tendency of grasping notion begin to develop, at the state of clear light. And how tight this grasping qualities may be, how tight it holds, that much different intensity of six realms of world experience begin to develop. But that tightness and tenseness, grasping quality, cannot just function or develop, without the activator of energy. So energy's be used in order to grasp, in other word. So that you have now six realms of world, purely from a point of view of instinct, different types of instinct, had been seen in a different way. When we were talking about the evolutionary process of ego, that we discussed about feeling: pleasurable, and pain, and neutral one -- the feeling. Also in the Abhidharma seminar [Aug 1971] we discussed about that as well. That feeling of exploring, another way of solidifying whole experience, is the six realms of world experience.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=163.0,378.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And we could begin with the realm of hell, which is most intense experience. So, now we can work out, sort of in the process, that first built up of energies -- or in other word, built up of emotions, after crescendo -- grows up so much so, that some stage we begin to find very confusing, with energies controlling us, or whether we are controlling the energy, in terms of emotions. And suddenly losing track of all these race, that whole mind is put into a blank state, which is clear light.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=378.0,444.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And from that blank state, then intense attempt to fight, begin to develop; notion of intense temptation to fight begin to develop. And that intense notion of a battle, or struggle, also brings is terror. In other word that develop paranoia, at the beginning, and paranoia becomes more intense, and becomes terror. So original paranoia and terror is supposed to fight against something, although one's not quite certain to whom that we are going to fight, exactly. But on the second level, after the whole thing's developed, terror begin to turn into ourselves. So that, instead of fighting the projection or whatever it is, we begin to frighten ourselves. It's kind of internalized terror; that when you try to struck your sword outside, instead of striking outward, begin to strike inward.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=444.0,540.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"As the story of hermit who sees the leg of lamb front of his eye, with the temptation to pick it up and cook it. His teacher says, \"You should mark charcoal drawings on it, across-- put cross on it.\" As he did it then he discovered that the lines drawn on his own chest, a little while later. It's that kind of notion of that you think that you're-- that you have something outside there to attack or fight, to win over. And suddenly whole terror begin to turn inward. In most of cases hatred is always like that, that you're angry with somebody, and trying to destroy it or kill it. But some stage, whole this process begin to become self-destructive -- turns inward. And then one would like to run away from it, but it seems too late: that you are the anger itself so there's nowhere to run away. So you haunted yourself, constantly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=540.0,616.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And that's the development of hell, \"naraka\". Very vivid descriptions of a naraka scene is described in the Gampopa's Jewel Ornament of Liberation, symbolically. And each intense torture is very vivid psychological portrait of oneself. In the naraka realm, you are not exactly punished, but you're overwhelmed by the environment of terror that is created altogether. Which has been described in terms of fields and the mountains of red hot iron. And environment and space is filled with the spark of fire. That even if you decide to move or run away, that you have to walk on this burnt metal, ember iron, and begin torture yourself. Or if you decided to not run away and freeze, you'll turn into a charcoal yourself. It's kind of the environment creates this concept of hell. That such claustrophobic of intense heat coming all directions. Whole world is turned into-- Earth is turned into hot metal, red hot iron. And the whole river is turned into melted iron. And all sky is turned into-- permeated with intense heat or fire.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=616.0,718.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And there's another experience of that, is the--\r\n\r\n\r\nAUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: There's no feeling, no; it's just experience. Pain, definitely yes. But that's experience. There's a difference between pain and feeling. Feeling's more intelligent, and pain is very mechanical, you see. And the other types, by the way, the other type of hell is the reverse of the whole thing, that experience of intense cold, intense snow, icy world. That everything's completely frozen, which is another type of aggression. It's the aggression which refuses communicate at all, aggression which decide to freeze. Aggression which doesn't have the spark of fire, but aggression which goes to the extreme of willing to completely deep freeze our own blood system, or any movement. Refuse to wink your eyes. Refuse to breathe. Refuse to do anything; kind of indignant. Which usually comes from intense pride. And again pride turn into ice-cold situation of environment. That when you have-- when you develop self-satisfactory, self-satisfying pride, then pride begin to get into the system. In other word something which not allows us to dance, or smile. Or for that matter to hear the music. Which is the-- explained in terms of cold, intense cold.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=718.0,870.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's not so much aggression when we talk about it's anger alone, but it's the fundamental environment that has been created. The meaning behind the anger rather than the actual anger, of losing temper and yelling and shouting. From this point of hell being, such anger is seems to be very feeble attempt. But there is a very solid and well-established fundamental anger, the anger which dominates the environment.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=870.0,905.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then we have another situation, of like, hungry ghost, \"pretas\". That's another realm of mind. And in that situation that we have-- we get into clear light to begin like same thing as what happened in the hell being. What I'm trying to explain are the six realms of world is not as one thing leads to another, but direct access from the clear light into turning into either hungry ghost, or hell being, or animal realm, or just direct; they're coming out of it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=905.0,947.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So the fundamental blankness of clear light is again, sort of woken up by not intense aggression alone, but intense greedy. And tremendous sense of poverty. Yet at the same time, tremendous sense of richness, which sort of play by in a very contradictory way, but at the same time simultaneously they operate together. That, in terms of hungry ghost, usually there is tremendous feeling of rich, tremendous feeling of \"thing-ness\"-- gathered a lot of things. And you have those lots of things in you, as possessions. Whatever you wanted, you don't have to look for it but you find yourself possessing such thing. Which makes hundred percent more hungry, more deprived, because usually we get satisfactory not possessing alone but looking for it, and having it, satisfies us. Since we have everything already there, you can't go out and look for something and possess it, anything at all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=947.0,1051.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's very frustrating, a sort of fundamental hunger, that is to say that you're completely full, you can't eat one more spoon of food at all, you are completely full. But you love to eat. And one begin to halluc-- get into hallucination of the flavor of the food, and pleasure of eating it, tasting it, swallowing it, chewing it, and digesting it. Whole process seem to be luxurious. One begin to feel extremely envious to see other people can eat it, and they could be hungry but as well as they could eat it. It's that kind of full at the same time, as well as hungry at the same time. It's most fundamental frustration.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=1051.0,1112.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Which is symbolized in the terms of image, person with gigantic belly, and extremely thin neck, and a tiny mouth. As in there's different stages of experience that you go through that, is depends on intensity of hunger. Some people-- some of those people can pick food up, and that dissolves into something, or you can't eat it. And some people can pick it up and put it in the mouth, but couldn't swallow it. And some people could pick it up, and put it in the mouth and could swallow it, but once it's gets in the stomach it begin to burn.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=1112.0,1181.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And there's all sorts of levels of that hunger, which is constantly happens with us in our everyday life situation. The joy of possessing doesn't bring any pleasure, once we already possess something. And constantly trying to look for more possessions, but it turn out to be the same process. So it's int-- constant intense hunger, which is based on-- not in the sense of poverty, but you realize you have everything, but you can't enjoy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=1181.0,1231.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And the energy there is, the act of exchange is seems to be more exciting. Collecting and holding it, putting on, or eating it, possessing it. That kind of energy. Which is a stimulus energy there. But the grasping quality makes very awkward for that. Once you hold it, you want to possess it, so you don't have the enjoy of holding it anymore. Or you don't want to let go once you hold it. Once you put it on, you may enjoy it for a second but again, that you want to fixed on you permanently. So you can't enjoy the impermanence of the whole thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=1231.0,1292.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And that's again another kind of love-hate relationship to projections. And that time person could be very intelligent, to see things as they are. But that doesn't mean to say very much. It's not seeing things as they are, but having seen, and then relating with them; whether we relate to them as our possession, or whether we relate to them as just things. And if you relate to them as just purely things, you may like it, but at the same time, you want to go into something more than that, which is of course possessing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=1292.0,1339.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And having possessed, then one begin to realize, there isn't joy or appreciation of the beauty, as we saw at the beginning. It's like the analogy of next door neighbor's garden is greener. That kind of... if possessions are somebody else's, you would appreciate it more. When it begin to become yours, the romantic quality of love affair begin to fade away. So it becomes a drag. Which-- I don't particularly refer to \"things\", possessing things alone, but the psychological attitude was possessiveness, fundamentally, or the appreciation of things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=1339.0,1389.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then another situation of another realm is animal realm. Which also could come from this fundamental clear light principle. It's absence of sense of humor, this case. Directed to one situation, of giving up all the trips of process that we've gone through, through the clear light. Have gone through all those process. And finally we discover that you can't remain neutral in the clear light.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=1389.0,1435.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Then we begin to turn into another situation -- that is, playing deaf and dumb, sort of thing. It is, again very intelligent act, because intelligence begin to see there's another way of securing that ego situation. And only way to do is intelligently play ignorant. Which means of course one is conceal completely, another area of sense of humor. So animals symbolize that they can't laugh or smile -- except honey bear. [Laughs; laughter] Somehow the sense of humor or irony is not known to animals. I mean, joy is known to animals, of course pain is known to them, but this notion of sense of humor is not known.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=1435.0,1517.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So in other word, leave everything very naively to the situations and play ignorant, constantly. You could develop such thing from believing in a certain religious framework, theological conclusions, or philosophical one. Or just simply remaining secure, practical, and solid. At the same time, like animals, such person could be very efficient and very good at -- very consistent at work, other things. Quite possibly usually happy. In other word quite contented. It's like the analogy of people, the country farmers: that they are very solid people, they tend their farm very methodically. Constant awareness, and openness, and efficiency and everything. Or else certain type of executives, who runs big business, or smaller business, for that matter. Or family man of good father, good mother: tend children regularly, send them to school, fetch them from school, give them food, watch television, go to bed. [Laughs; laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=1517.0,1638.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, they could be very happy, predictable, secure. No other areas of mystery involved at all. If you buy a new gadget, there's always direction how to do it. So everything is designed to simple people. And it works that way. And if there's a problem, one can always go to friends or lawyers, or priests, or policemen. All sorts of security arrangement of particular profession of people who also comfortable in their profession, who gives the advice to those who are not-- those other people who are not known to the other kind of profession. So that professional quality gives more comfortable situation, and more reassuring. And life goes on that way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=1638.0,1719.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's something which based on, sort of utterly sensible, and highly predictable [laughs], and highly mechanical, at the same time. But what lacks there is that if any unknown situation occurred, if any unpredictable situation happens, that there is a constant paranoia. There's constant feeling of threatening. Like a lot of people react to hippies, for instance. They don't work. And they look different. Their lifestyle is completely different, and irregular. And such existence of such people in our country, is in itself very much threatening. Because you can't understand, nobody can understand why they don't like to watch television, and have kids, and go out to job, and come back and go to bed, and do the same thing. Why don't they do the same thing? There's something very irritating about the whole thing. Irritating in the sense of that fundamentally threatens our basic pattern, constantly. So that solid and apparently sane and predictable situation, without sense of humor, is the animal realm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=1719.0,1841.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then there's human realm. [Laughs] Which comes from, again the basic mentality of clear light brings out into another kind of situation. That kind of situation of human realm is not quite as same as the animal realm of surviving and living life. But it's sort of life contains continue intrigue, continual process of development. Sort of, in a sense you could say that is human realm is realm of passion, based on the passion. And passion has a tendency to explore, and enjoy it. Is the area of research, area of development. Trying to enrich constantly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=1841.0,1931.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"One could say the human realm is much more close psychological tendency to hungry ghost element, of striving for something. And it has some element of the animal realm of putting everything into action, predictably. But, there's something extra with the human realm, is the-- it's a very strange kind of suspicion, certain basic paranoia. Which comes from the-- which comes with passion. Which makes human beings are more cunning, shifty, slippery, fundamentally. And invents all sorts of tools. If one tool didn't work, then you put fixture to it, add things, accentuate your tools into all sorts of sophisticated ways. So you could catch another slippery person. [Laughter; laughs] And the other slippery person also develops his own or her own equipment, of anti-tool.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=1931.0,2021.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So we built up our world with tremendous success, and tremendous achievement. But this escalation of building up tools and anti-tools develops, constantly. And that introduce more source for passion, that introduce more source for intrigue. And finally, that one is unable to accomplish such big undertaking. And as one's subject to birth and death. In other word, the experience could be born but experience also could die; the discoveries could be impermanent and temporary.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=2021.0,2084.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then we have another situation, which is the realm of \"asura\", or the jealous gods. And that's the highest realm of world, as far as the communication goes. It's one of the very intelligent situation: when you step out of the clear light, that you develop a tendency of very vivid paranoia. In other word, there's a tremendous feeling of as though somebody dropped you in the middle of bewilderment, middle of wildness. That suddenly when person is separated from the clear light, there's a tendency of looking back, and suspecting one's own shadow, whether it is a real shadow or whether it is somebody's strategy. That's the kind of radar system that we been talking yesterday, of paranoia, it's the most efficient radar system that ego could have. Looks into all sorts of-- picks up all sorts of faint, and tiny objects. And suspecting each articles, each experience comes in a life is been regarded as something threatening.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=2084.0,2197.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And asura realm is known as realm of \"jealous\", or envy. But there again, this kind of jealous or envy is fundamental jealous or envy -- is not the actual envy and jealous that we generally talk about. Something *extremely* fundamental. It's the whole notion of relativity, and the criteria of the relativity is based on survival, winning over.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=2197.0,2239.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So the energy act as antennae. And the place where energy is placed is, sort of, basic sense of survival, winning over, but one of the-- unlike human realm, or unlike animal realm, this asura realm is just purely-- purpose is to just function within the realm of intrigue. That's all there is, that's occupation and that's the entertainment. It's kind of as though a person is born diplomat. Raised as diplomat, died as diplomat. Intrigue and relationship is your lifestyle, your livelihood. Because each intrigue, each discovery of particle of intrigue, or different weight of scale, enlights you, for a while. It really uplifts you, and suddenly wakes up, and puts yourself into the situation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=2239.0,2331.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But one doesn't want to actually solve the problem completely, in such mentality. That you want to be, again, sort of slip around into all sorts of areas of intrigue, and envy and jealous situation, paranoid situation. And whole thing becomes occupation, constantly. In such case, it's not only relationship in the ordinary sense, alone at all. It could be, intrigue could based on any kind of relationships: emotional relationships, or relationships of friends, or relationship of teacher and student, relationship of guru and chela, whatever it's may be. If any relationship one begin to discover, and whole thing is related as one's own lifestyle occupation, and based on this intrigue situation. Somehow winning doesn't help, or losing doesn't help. But maintaining such intrigue is helpful, constantly remain in that kind of jackal-like state of being.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=2331.0,2421.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then we have the next stage is that of world of gods, \"devaloka\". Again when person awakes from the-- or step out from the clear light, there is some kind of unexpected pleasure. And one want to maintain that pleasure. Ordinarily that you-- we could say that such pleasure is-- there's no such thing as pleasure at all stepping out of from neutral ground to some definite ground; you have to learn to live, and that's a big drag. But in the case of devaloka that instead of completely dissolves into a neutral ground, one suddenly begin to realize the individuality. And that individuality brings some sense of responsibility, of maintaining oneself. And that maintaining oneself is the state of samadhi is, of course, is perpetually reliving in a state of constant absorption and peace. Maintaining that is the realm of gods.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=2421.0,2519.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Is the realm of gods is known as realm of pride. Pride in the sense of build one's own centralized body. So to maintain one's own health, is in other word, intoxicated in the existence of ego. That one begin to find thankful to have ego. Such confirmation of that you are something after all, instead of clear light, which is no-man's land. And because you are something, therefore you have to maintain yourself. Which brings natural state of comfort and pleasure, complete absorption into oneself. Such self-sufficient idea is the pride, in the realm of gods.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=2519.0,2610.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And these six realms of world is I suppose we could say the source of-- or, in other word, the whole theme of living in samsara. And also the whole theme of stepping into dharmakaya realm. And I think the six realms of world would help us, to understand the different significance of the visions that been described in the book, of sidpa bardo [bardo of becoming] experience. Which is another kind of world, that-- And there's confrontation of the two worlds: there is the experience of world of gods from a point of view of ego, and there's world of gods from point of view of transcending ego.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=2610.0,2681.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And same thing could apply to world of hell and any-- every other situations. That these visions could have the energetic aspect, the neutral energy aspect; expressions of neutral energy aspect, these visions would have. Rather than they are trying to manifest themselves as gods to save you from samsara, or demons to haunt you. So these are the neutral energies that appears in this particular vision. So, I think if we could get into this particular details of the texture of different energies that we been talking about in the six realms, emotions, would help.\r\n\r\n\r\nAnd we could have discussion now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=2681.0,2735.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 1]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: Rinpoche, you just said \"neutral\" -- I didn't understand how this is neutral. Did you mean the energy from the gods?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, in other word you have similar imagery in the bardo experience, which is the image of gods, or image of jealous gods, as well as the image of transcending them. And it's a neutral thing, rather than these experience wouldn't come to us in the bardo experience, as anti-hell or anti-preta, or anti-gods, but they play the same facade, same languages. They speak the same language. But how you see them is up to us. So, in other word they trying to create the bewilderment of something, to lead you back.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=2735.0,2811.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 2]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: The-- in a former lecture on the bodhisattva, you were describing ego-centered meditation, dealing with the realm of gods, and the possibility of switch-over at time of death, and you said after a while that model to do the self-checking breaks down. And one feels a heat and pain, and it goes the experience of hell. Is there still the flashing into clear light from that experience, or is that-- or are all people in the realm of gods doomed to an immediate rebirth thereafter into a hellish experience? Or is it still... I don't know if I made my question.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You mean, would they have still a choice of returning to clear light after...? Well, supposedly not, except in the human realm. We are not talking about different lives, we are not talking different world, I mean fundamentally; I hope that's quite clear. It's a different state of ourselves, in this life situation.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Yeah, I can see that. I was wondering if the tradition-- I mean, is that whole-- if that switchover takes place, I'm assuming that that is possible, if one is involved in that type of thing.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, one doesn't have to... this particular realm of gods that we been talking, the bodhisattva thing, is the actual after-death experience, of reborn as gods. And then you'd have to definitely come down in the hell realm. But in terms of human experience, which provides a whole karmic source for you, karmic background for you, so there is a possibility of switching off into dharmakaya realm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=2811.0,2933.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 3]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: What family is the catalyst, that enables you to switch off into-- to overcome the energy of certain realms? I mean, you're not stuck there.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: In the--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: In any of these realms. What would be the final catalyst?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well it's that there is a natural intelligence, which sparks out all the time, asks questions, doubts comes through all the time; dissatisfaction happens all the time. Because the whole-- all struggle from six realms of world is tempted to satisfy. On the process of trying to attempt to satisfy, there's automatically the notion of unsuccessfulness, failure of something, which sets question. And then one begin to realize whole thing is pain. And then you go out from there -- pain, and original pain, and so forth. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: So that kind of pain and expecting, and things like that, belongs to all of them?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: All of them. All of them have, yeah. I mean, they all are very busy in maintaining something. That's why it's called \"world\", six realms of world. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: And then you-- does that leads into the bardo state?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: We're getting very complicated aren't we? [Laughs] Different states? There's always intermediate state, which is known as bardo. Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: But that sounds like kind of what you described as a clear light. But it's not the same thing is it?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Which one?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: Well, you said, in each one of these realms, you start from this-- from the clear light.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: They do, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: Clear light. But that's not the same as the bardo.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, that is the entrance towards bardo. I mean, clear light is the exit. The bardo is then you are suspended into the... after you step out of exit, then you have open space, until you get to the next door. So the clear light act as kind of starting point to bardo experience.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=2933.0,3100.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 4]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Is the transcendence the same as transmutation? Or rather, is transcendence the condition for transmutation? Is where you would still use the same-- use your energies that are available to you, but in a different way?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, transcending seems to be sort of gentle approach, of sort of mahayana, bodhisattva style. And transmutation is sort of more daring. It's a vajrayana style, of not step out of it but step into it. Is in other word, transcendental attitude of transcending something gives you the feeling of way out -- \"paramita\", the other shore. And transmutation gives understanding of way in. Whatever happens, it's always way in.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=3100.0,3190.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 5]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: Do these six states operate simultaneously in people most of the time, or...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, we could say that they could flip back and forth to different states.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: But one usually predominates or always...?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes, usually people have certain characteristics, basic features so to speak. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=3190.0,3212.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 6]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: There's always a basic key, so to speak. I mean, a key to your weakness, therefore, you know your realm.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Your realm, yes. Your home, your hometown [laughter; laughs].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=3212.0,3225.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 7]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: Does being stuck in one of these realms have insanity?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Insanity? Very much so.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: You know, being, I mean, in other words, being caught in it. You know?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, I mean, that's... insanity stems from speed. And fail to see what you're doing but you're constantly-- your occupation becomes speed rather than where you're getting to or how you're going about.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: You said something too about intrigue that I didn't understand -- about \"maintaining the intrigue,\" the jealous gods.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: I didn't quite follow that.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, it's sort of, getting into whole, sort of, concept of-- for politics, in terms of one's own relationship to oneself. It's sort of highly politically-oriented, of game, intrigue.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=3225.0,3286.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 8]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: Rinpoche, is there chance for the-- these models that you've given us seem so tight. That is there a chance for communication to people who are stuck in various set models? Like if someone is just being tormented by his environment, if you approach him you're part of that environment. Is there any possible way of communicating that you're not his torturer?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Of course, there is always. I mean there's always gap. As you going around and around. In order to maintain the speed, you have to have a gap, to leap from one incident to another incident, there is a gap constantly all the time. Crack somewhere. And those crack, or gaps, are the opportunities, of relating to it. Symbolically, you have six types of buddhas, who speaks the language of each realm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=3286.0,3347.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 9]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: Rinpoche, is there any way you can give us any version, as a sort of an antidote to all these lokas [realms]?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I think whole antidote is to realize what they are. Once you begin to realize that what they are, and how they are, then you have discovered already something. That you have the intelligence to see situations. Like in order to be a competent doctor, that a doctor must be able to diagnose the person. That's the most important part of it. If you able to diagnose the whole thing, then you are very close to it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=3347.0,3405.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 10]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: On these breaks, I would imagine on the lower realms, the breaks would be very almost... unnoticeable. I mean, like...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Obviously if a person is involved in a hungry ghost realm, or realm of hell, I mean, it's very obvious. And for that matter realm of animals, without sense of humor -- it's quite obvious [laughs].\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: How do you--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: And more you go higher--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: --communicate with them--?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Sorry?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: --there's still a chance to communicate with them--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Sure.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: I mean, it's just in that [snaps fingers].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Definitely, yes. I mean, chance to communicate is always there. It seems there's less chance of direct communication when you-- when your process becomes more gentle-- gentile. Realm of jealous god, realm of gods. There's less contrast, so the communication had to be very subtle and sophisticated. But more you-- your more gross level communication is very simple.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=3405.0,3471.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 11]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: Rinpoche, it seems once that you said that with the lower realms, like the hungry ghost and the hell and the animal, that there's such an obsessive quality there that it's very difficult to communicate.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, if you're trying to change the horse full force, it will be extremely hard to communicate. But if you communicate in terms of contrast, will be much simple. Because communication, in this case, should be not trying to save them, not trying to help them, cure them, but just trying to communicate to them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=3471.0,3507.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 12]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: The very act of communication would destroy the model though, wouldn't it? I mean if the guy is seeing his total environment as his torturer, and just the idea that you don't fit into that breaks down the model.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes, it's the notion of spiritual--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: I mean you're meditating without trying actually.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --notion of spiritual friend rather than teacher, is very important there. If you relate as friends, then automatically presume, that person will automatically presume that there will be some chance of relating like \"one of us.\" Whereas if you been given idea of that \"your savior, since I've got already my own ground on the very definite occupation. And automatic reaction is key part of me.\" [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=3507.0,3569.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 13]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: Rinpoche, the dharmakaya thing, I'm not clear if that's coming out of the clear light in some other way, or if that's within the clear light or... [laughter] In other words, is this some other way of relating to the clear light where you don't-- in other words, if you come out of it, you go into one of these six? Or you could stay in it? Or what do we-- where does the dharmakaya come in?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Either you stay in it--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: In other words, I want to know if you must come out of it. And if-- when you come out of it, you must come into one of these six.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, up to you [laughter; laughs].\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: But what are the other possibilities?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Other possibility is, from clear light, then dharmakaya.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: Which is also something else then [INAUDIBLE]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Which is also the getting into another world -- world of nirvana.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: And that coexists with some of these other worlds or it's separate?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Constantly, together.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: Together with these other worlds.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I mean, it's-- if you have to have a light, you have to have dark as well.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: So it would be coming out into another one of these worlds but in a different way?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: More enlightened way.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: But still coming out into one of these worlds.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Into some energy world. I mean if you're talking world as energy, you are not coming into pain and pleasure, but world, but we're coming into energetic world.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=3569.0,3667.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 14]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: Is there still a central headquarters, so to speak, at that...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No, but the whole thing what we been discussing in this seminar like six realms of world are, you could say, the voice of dharmakaya speaking, to explain how they are. So that's why we regard as a teaching. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=3667.0,3703.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 15]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: How does transmutation occur? How can one transmute energy from destructive to a constructive place?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well the energy, I would say -- it's more like the fearless quality of the energy. Sort of penetrating quality of the energy, is the transmutation of destructive quality. So in other word, fulfilling all actions, with that energy. In order to fulfill something, you also have to overcome lot of things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=3703.0,3766.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 16]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER16: Rinpoche, how does one realize what realm you're being in without being a witness? I mean, how do you go about, you know, seeing or realizing without being somehow being a witness?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I don't think you can escape from that. Naturally, there will be some self-consciousness and witness, comes through. But then some stage, witness itself begin to realize, there's some areas that witnessing oneself doesn't cover. So you have to have the involvement witness, and the death of the witness. Which is kind of leading to a point. You don't maintain yourself anymore; the witness is maintenance.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=3766.0,3843.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 17]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER17: Is that ego loss or is that death?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well it's not physical death, or it could be -- either way.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER17: Or ego? Is that possible?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Largely ego, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=3843.0,3862.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 18]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER18: Rinpoche, in the course of one human life, can an individual go through the six realms, back and forth? Change his home, so to say?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think definitely yes. It has been described in a very complicated way, of childhood, teenage, young, youthful, and middle age, and old age. And all this process have-- could have developed into different styles. Or else these experiences could happen simultaneously. Or, every year person goes through different stages of those. Sort of one year it's-- he's person goes through the realm of hell, and one year person go through the realm of hungry ghost. It's-- whole thing is based on the environment of the person, the situation where he is, goes through-- I mean, these six types of personalities are very flexible to one point to another point, and there's no clash in between at all. That person could find quite easily, very smoothly, changing the course from hell being to world of gods; world of gods to human being, or animal. It's very loose. Because all of them are on one basic ground.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=3862.0,3975.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 19]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER19: Is there any hope for someone who gets stuck in this realm of total absorption?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Of gods do you mean?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER19: Yeah, I mean, because like, it's not too much-- there's nothing wrong, so there's no way of getting on with it.[Laughs] I mean...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, there's nothing wrong in all of them.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER19: Well, I mean, from the total view point of this pleasure thing, I mean there's no-- I mean, if the guy is stuck there, there doesn't be much to do except that it will run its course, because there's no... I mean, like he's in the realm of hell, he's definitely, you know, the guy is hurt, so he might-- he'll be possibly open to some type of communication, or something to, you know, get rid of that pain. You know it's-- you know, it seems to be so fast but simple. But when someone is stuck in a state of, say \"god intoxication\" all the time, there doesn't seem to be any way out except that it runs its course. I mean, there's no nothing-- there's no way of spiritual friend, or any other friend, can approach such a person. Is it? Or is it?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: Or offer him some wine.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --well, the point is that your liquor bills are very high. [laughter; laughs]. You have to maintain; it's quite an extravagant thing.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER19: Yeah, but, I mean, if there's-- I mean, that would seem almost to be the worst state to be stuck in.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: The hell realm or heavens do you mean?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER19: In the heavens, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It's worse; I thought you were saying it's the best.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER19: No, no, I'm saying, that's why-- I mean that's... no, I -- it's the other way around. You know, like it seems to be, you know, like there seems to be hope in every other situation for developing something very positive and dynamic.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER19: But in that situation, it doesn't seem to be--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well there is still some kind of threat comes in all the time. Because you have to maintain your thing. So there will be some frustration.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER19: In this case then the friend is-- but any frustration the guy just retreats back into his absorption, and so he's...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No you can't do that.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER19: I know, I'm not...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I mean, I'm not talking about *you* can't do that, but [laughs; laughter], I mean, *one* cannot do that. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER19: I mean there doesn't seem any possibility of friendship at all to a person such as this; there's no need for friends--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER19: --from his own viewpoint. And there's no way of reaching out. He won't reach out for anything.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think... well there is the complete absorption, and the appreciation of the absorption. And maintaining that absorption. So, finally whole thing becomes rather complicated.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER19: Just by itself--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Just by itself, yeah. Just by itself. Because you like so much, you enjoy so much intensity of enjoyment also brings that much panic or maintaining the whole thing.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER19: So that there's no need to even to attempt to communicate to such a person, because there's-- that just has to run by itself.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: There will be, I think. So chanced.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER19: I mean, what are you going to say such a guy? You know, I mean...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, you could say that, \"You don't try to maintain yourself. There's another way, that you can get into without maintaining yourself.\" So therefore \"your pleasure is pain,\" in other word.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=3975.0,4260.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 20]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER20: What is the relationship between these lokas, I mean, and inhabitants of them, and the five buddha families?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, it's each loka has this quality of elements. And, for instance the state of-- like vajra family, of its vajra quality of sharpness, is also, in terms of realm of hell, it's penetrating quality. I mean you could relate with the six types of emotions: anger, greedy, ignorance, passion, envy, and pride. You know could be related to that; different qualities. Which actually, exactly what happens in terms of the visions of tathagatas, happens in the bardo experiences. Which I think we will-- could go into great details, in this seminar.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER20: Well, what's the relationship between five and six in this case?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [Laughs] You got a problem, I think.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=4260.0,4396.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 21]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER21: I was surprised that they had Ratnasambhava for human beings instead of the hungry ghost. It seems to me the greedy aspect is dominating in hungry ghost.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Ratnasambhava is for hungry ghost.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER21: On-- I think it's a human being -- in the Tibetan Book of the Dead it's for hungry ghost-- it's for human beings. Ratnasambhava is a vision for human realm.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It should be Padmasamb-- it should be... Amitabha.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER21: Amitabha was...\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER22: Passion.\r\n\r\n\r\nAUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER22: Right, it does say Ratnasambhava was this yellow, human world?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER21: Yeah, Ratnasambhava appears in the human realm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER23: Didn't Evans-Wentz change-- think he found some kind of mistake in there someplace and changed the colors around? There's some confusion.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER24: No Vajrasattva is hell, and then the third day is Ratnasambhava and it's the human realm. [Reading] \"Either the dazzling yellow light of Ratnasambhava or the dull, bluish yellow light from the human world.\"\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm. The-- what light of blue?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER24: Blue is hell, and Vajrasattva.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER22: But in this case-- with the light coming from the human world is bluish-yellow?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER24: Yeah, it's bluish yellow. And the yellow of Ratnasambhava. That's the third day, Rinpoche. And it says here it's Amitabha was with holy ghost.\r\n\r\n\r\nAUDIENCE: *Hungry* ghost! [Laughter; Trungpa Rinpoche laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER24: Hungry ghost. [Laughs; laughter] It's a new word...\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER25: Could you relate those-- the colors with the everyday experience?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, we're going to go through that.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER25: So that's later day, yeah?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Later day, yeah. You remember which [INAUDIBLE]?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER24: [INAUDIBLE]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's true, yeah. What you're going to do about that? [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER24: It's very confusing. It's the only place that I've come across [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. It's passion is associated with this greediness. And somehow that, in terms of five buddha families, that passion and greediness seems to be same.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER22: Pride is Ratnasambhava isn't it?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER24: Greed.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Padmasambhava -- should be pride, yeah, should be pride. The vajra family is associated with anger. And ratna family associated with pride. And the padma family associated with passion. And karma family associated with envy. And buddha family associated with ignorance.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER24: But isn't ratna's greed and pride, you said both of them sort of being puffed up in one form or another.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, it's associated with richness. The quality we been talking about, the... so rich therefore there is poverty. There's always this quality.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER24: But aren't both pride and greed somehow an accumulation of riches of a different kind?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER22: Pride seems much more self-sufficient.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Pride seems to be having this-- of course you have to maintain your pride, and you have to look for source of maintenance. Which is, in Tibetan word called \"serna\", which literally means \"yellow nose.\" [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER22: Yellow moss?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yellow nose. [Laughs; laughter] It's another word sort of meanness. It's very mean. Doesn't want to part with anything, just always wanted to hold.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=4396.0,4814.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 22]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER25: Rinpoche, you said there was a kind of a flimsy analogy between a child-like being in different stages of life and the six realms. What did you mean by that?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Did I say that?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER25: [INAUDIBLE]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I don't think I did.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER25: [INAUDIBLE] you said that it was not quite accurate. I didn't quite understand [INAUDIBLE]--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, what I was saying is it's very loose. And I said person could have hell experience, and then next one is he could have experience of heaven. They always could fit each other.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER25: So what is the relationship between different, you know, ages and stages?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, that's-- there's no fixed relationship with ages at all.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER25: So is there any relationship between them?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, it depends on the situations where the person is involved in.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER25: I mean, if they don't change or if they... could you give an example?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I mean like, if a person is in a life situation has been getting into one extreme to another extreme, of have plenty of money and wealth, and suddenly whole thing's lost. As far as the change is concerned, it is could be said that sudden change has no relationship. But, if we look it in, sort of karmic and logical situation underneath, undercurrent, that there's some continuity happening, constantly. So, switching from hell realm to the heavenly realm wouldn't be a shock. Would be natural process.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=4814.0,4956.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 23]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER26: Rinpoche, say that you can switch in and out, from one to the other, but is with this-- like with the buddha families there is one particular realm that is-- I mean you are like, you know, you are home?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, it's rather complicated. It seems that what particular type of buddha family you are, brings some quality of that. But within that realm, person changes constantly. So you could remain as hungry ghost -- and hungry ghost version of the heaven, hungry ghost version of hell, hungry ghost version of human realm. You could have that switch, constantly.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER26: You mean, such as being hungry ghost?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, I mean, that's your makeup. So there's nothing wrong with that, particularly.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER26: Is there any possibility of leaving home, or is that unreal?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's very unreal [laughs]. You can't change your makeup, appearance, completely. I mean that's your seed as well -- of freeing yourself. That somebody have to teach in your language. If you don't have a particular identity you don't have a language to communicate with. Sorry?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=4956.0,5068.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 24]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER27: Are there any statistics on that? [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I mean you can make it out.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER27: Do we know how many hungry ghosts there are and how many...[laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: In the world. In the world, wow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=5068.0,5082.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 25]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER28: Could you say what realms in the-- talks about the great teachers like Milarepa and so forth, like in caves and spending-- it says they spent-- he spent so many years, five years in this cave and didn't even sleep. Was he going in and out of all of realms, or in the realm of the gods?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think so, different types of realm of gods again there. Hellish gods. Or hungry type of gods.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER28: So is--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Particularly when he was relating with all the demons coming to him, it's very much like battle. It's like jealous gods level, in their sort of realm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER28: Say here, for example he did it without eating, so it says Padmasambhava maybe didn't eat for a few years. For example, I'm not sure if that's--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Padamasamhava didn't eat for a few years?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER28: I seem to remember some kind of glorious descriptions. I don't-- I can't quote them, exactly. [Trungpa Rinpoche laughs] But that they don't seem to have anything to do with the lower realms. But are-- do they still going in and out of all them?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, it depends on which way you look at. You could say they're going in and out into different buddha families, or they're going out and into different realms. Depends on which way you look at. But basic energy is always the same. It is entirely dependent on their state of mind.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=5082.0,5190.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 26]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER29: You said that the buddhas appear, it was in each realm. They-- do they appear as a member of that realm?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER29: And they then-- they are limited by the nature of that realm also. I mean, if they're hungry ghost, they're hungry ghost, and there's nothing wrong with it, and that's all they have to say.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. Because usually whole thing is that they are satisfied with their-- in some sense, they are satisfied. In other word they are feel homely, quite at home with their situations. So if you introduce a foreign language to them, foreign ideas, it confuse them more, then able to speak their language.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER29: Is the human realm the only one where we can really experience all the rest? Fully, I mean.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Fully, I would say, but other realms have experience their similar thing as well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=5190.0,5254.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 27]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER30: Rinpoche, I don't understand the connection between what we were talking about yesterday and what we're talking about today. Yesterday we were talking about the struggle situation that builds up to a point where the struggle resolves in kinds of a neutral aspect. And now we're talking about coming out of that into different energy patterns. In a real life situation is there a connection between these energy patterns and the struggle that precipitated the fear-like state, or is this a breaking off and starting again?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I mean, it seems that there's a constant-- what we are talking is about was that-- yesterday's thing was we were talking about the junctions, of-- from-- somebody coming from hungry ghost on their way to human realm. The junctions create as clear light. Because they are building up their experience of hungry ghost, up to crescendo. And then they begin to dissolve their sense of demand, sense of struggle, completely confused. And that confusion leads into no-man's land, clear light. And then, you come out of that end as somebody else, some other state. That's why what I'm trying to put whole thing is that this whole book is-- needn't be, you know regarded as purely for dying person alone, but constantly that kind of process goes on in a living situation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=5254.0,5378.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 28]\r\n\r\n\r\nUNCONFIRMED JEREMY HAYWARD: But, from your description of the six realms it's very easy to connect them with experiences of everyday life. But it's not easy to connect the clear light your-- from your description, with any experience of everyday life. The only thing that comes nearest to me, as far as I could see, would be a kind of, what *we* would call, usually we call \"insanity\", a complete, not-- complete insanity -- having no relation with anything around you, complete blank, in a sense.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well everybody has that glimpse, always.\r\n\r\n\r\nUNCONFIRMED JEREMY HAYWARD: Well is that the experience that is what you call the clear light?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No, it's beyond that. Beyond that completely insanity of losing points. Then you are led into a less intense, neutral situation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=5378.0,5442.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 29]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER32: Couldn't you call it, \"The pause that refreshes\"? [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Call it what? [Laughter] What did you say?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER33: \"The pause that refreshes.\"\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm?\r\n\r\n\r\nAUDIENCE: That's an old Coca Cola ad and slogan: \"The pause that refreshes.\"\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Something like that [laughter].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=5442.0,5463.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 30]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER35: Are there parents required for all these realms, within...?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Are there what?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER35: Are there parents-- like within the human and the animal realms we have, you know, that there an actual mating, birth, the whole trip. But is like-- is then--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Parents, did you say?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER35: Well, one has a mother and father--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, one does.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER35: If one is say, reborn into a hellish world, is there a parent there? Or is it just all the sudden you're just switched onto that fully developed container or what?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I don't think they have greater, you know control, but they have created the situations. Same as any other life situation. Money for that matter, food, house. Anything else. You see the whole point that we are talking about, in your question, is that when we talk about there's a sudden gaps [Unknown incident; laughter; laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nWhen we talk about sudden gaps [laughter; laughs], you can't have just gap. That gap has to be born out of -- potentially born out of-- seems to be born out of something. It's-- there is thinning out process, and then you have the gap. Then you have another thinning out process, then you built up next heavy stuff. So the gradual process leading from that gross level to the thin process-- thinning out process contains that confusion, insanity, on the way to clear light. So in other word, experience of clear light happens constantly all the time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=5463.0,5616.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 31]\r\n\r\n\r\nUNCONFIRMED JEREMY HAYWARD: Well... what -- how? I mean, what aspect of an ordinary situation, let's say an ordinary, everyday situation, what aspect of that comes from clear light? I mean suppose you're in the realm of hell, let's say, and you're very depressed, and you're very black and solid and frozen and everything like that let's say [laughter] you know. I think you described the frozen kind of hell. What-- that's something I experience, but I don't see where the-- any clear light comes in. I mean, it's true, it *goes* in the end, I get better and I don't feel so depressed. Now I feel happy, later. But where's the clear-- what's the element that's there....\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, the clear light is just pure neutral ground.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER36: When you stop struggling...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Not as fundamental as that. It's gaps. In other word, the whole operation takes place on the background of neutral ground. And the clear light is there. Whenever there's a gap, there's clear light. But when you begin to realize the clear light is as meditative state, then clear light begin to become dharmakaya, or satori experience, because you begin to feel the texture of the whole thing, the texture of the clear light. But when you don't feel the texture of the clear light, but clear light just blank things happens on the process, that is the clear light background of everything.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=5616.0,5723.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 32]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER37: But where is the bodhisattva hanging out on that wheel, or on that model?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Bodhisattva?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER37: Yeah. I mean, I take it the Buddha's [INAUDIBLE] completely opposite. Even though it's...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Buddha's completely?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER37: With the Buddha-- the totally enlightened mind would just be viewing all that as object, right?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER38: No, but he [INAUDIBLE WORDS] right in the wheel.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER37: From where?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER38: It seems to me as soon as you sort of see things as object, then you're really stuck somewhere.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER37: Oh. As long as there's no subject, you're all right [laughter].\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER38: You can't have object without sort of axiomatically feeling there's something, you know, [INAUDIBLE WORDS] subject.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER37: I wasn't talking about [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER38: No, I know. Well, \"you\" is larger than you.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER37: I mean, the-- there is an element of attachment in the bodhisattva's characteristics. Which seems to know, it's sounds like attachment, and where that attachment--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Element of attachment.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER37: There seems to be an attachment to compassion.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes, that's the thing we've been talking about, transcendental, rather than transmutation. Well, that comes from the basic shunyata experience of seeing things as they are.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER37: What I mean is like there's a statue I saw once of the bodhisattva of infinite compassion manifesting as a horse. Which I thought was pretty far out, but, you know, like where's he hanging out when he's not manifesting as a horse?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER37: Or, you know, like, where is the home of the bodhisattvas, is that in the realm of gods? Is the... or what? Or is there-- or is just--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, that's-- he's in all realms, because he have to learn to speak their language.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER38: But if he's not in a realm where is he? Can he be someplace but in a realm?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: There could be a place without realm, sure, he could. If it's-- if he passed the seventh bhumi. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER37: Say that again.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Seventh bhumi.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER37: The what?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I mean, that's the sort of a technical definition. That when he steps out of any relating situations, he step out of all realms of world. When he passed the seventh bhumi.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER37: Well you see statuaries of bodhisattvas in their wrathful aspect, say, in the tantric art. And I mean, that's not a human-- I mean, say, from the vision point of view that's not human characteristics per se. Is that-- and yet he doesn't seem to have the negativity of someone who's hanging out in the realm of gods, and yet there is a body, which is being portrayed. Which means it's got to be someplace if there's--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Usually, in the tantric art, you don't have bodhisattva as wrathful.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER37: Well I--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You only have the buddhas as wrathful ones.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER37: Well, Manjushri with his sword, you know [INAUDIBLE] where--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: But he's manifested as then tathagatas.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER37: Outside the whole...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Outside the whole thing, yeah. And there's story of Avalokiteshvara. That when he had a doubt in his vow, of helping all sentient beings, and when he step out of nowness, suddenly he realized there's millions of other -- billions of other sentient beings still the same thing. He thought he saved them all. And he had begin to have doubts in his vow. And resulting his vow that his head begin to crack into a thousand pieces, and he's in the completely utter pain--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER37: But he had a head to start with.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: He suddenly involve into a realm of hell.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER37: But there is a head there. So I mean, there is a world outside these realms of world.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No, not necessarily.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER37: If there's a head to crack open, there's a body, of some type which has got to be [INAUDIBLE WORDS]--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, it had to be one of the realms. I mean including Gautama Buddha, manifest himself as a human being. And he behaved like human being -- he ate and he slept, he need all these natural things as human beings need. So that whole thing is related with the situation of that what language you're speaking, what situation you are dealing with.\r\n\r\n\r\nI mean on-- as long as there is a tendency to teach, you have to have a body. As long as there's compassion, you have to have a body. And you have to manifest yourselves into body of some kind -- of the audience. It's not question of necessarily where *he* is, but where the audience are. If you all have homes, buddhas will homes as well. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER39: Isn't it saying that a skillful means is completely dictated by the situation?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. Always. That's why it happens to be skillful. [Laughs; laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=5723.0,6103.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 33]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER40: Rinpoche, the reference is made that we have lots of [UNCLEAR: good karma?] [INAUDIBLE] a heavenly realm. You necessarily take on a physical, quote, \"human body\" -- you experience that. Or sometimes I kind of understand it to be kind of a realm which could be non-physical, just purely psychological.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, you have human situation with the experience of six realms, and you have actual physical situation as six realms, which happens out of bardo period -- when you're reborn. And it has been described in the scriptures that the realms like hungry ghost, and hell beings, and deva loka, are born spontaneously, suddenly -- fraction of second they've been born, after their bardo experience. Whereas the other realms, like, I mean that includes the jealous gods as well, but-- and human realm and animal realm have to be born, have to be conceived and born as physical body, situation.\r\n\r\n\r\nSo that supposing if a person has sown a seed of meditating on the jnana states of some kind in this lifetime. When person die, and they go through the bardo experiences same as everybody would. And then his karmic force would flip it into a different state of mind, and he suddenly realize that his practice is becoming true to him. He got stuck in that his practice of meditation of jnana, he's constantly stuck in there. And his hallucinations are depends on the different depth of his meditative state. If he's completely [INAUDIBLE] to the depth of meditative state, he hasn't-- he doesn't have a body, he doesn't have hallucinations. Whereas if he's what's called first \"brahmaloka\" world, then he have the hallucination of pleasurable, pleasant situations, sort of like heavenly scene. But these are completely hallucinations because he was suddenly born; he doesn't have to enter into another world. And he doesn't have parents. And the same thing as where we're born in the world of hell. Same thing, that you have-- you suddenly been born, and you discovered your aggression is coming into terms of pictorial situations and you have that hallucination. You constantly go through that.\r\n\r\n\r\nAnd it has been said in scriptures that the time of remaining in the hell or heaven ageless. You remain something like billions of kalpas. And as far as that state of mind when you got stuck there, with the hallucinations, times become much longer, or much shorter. It's beyond our own physical concept of time. You are entirely different realm, because of hallucination and that particular -- such intense result you-- course that you put in a physical living situation. And you been born as another realm, so that state is not referred as a bardo state, because you are not hovering around anymore. You have definitely found a home of some kind. So that's referred as a world.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=6103.0,6331.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 34]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER41: In those realms you can't do anything about it. You're stuck there [INAUDIBLE]--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You're stuck there, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER41: So is it true that the human realm is the best realm to be for work?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes, it's called-- human realm is \"karma\" -- karma world, karma realm. That you have the opportunities, a chance. That's why-- same concept as what we've been talking about early on. That human realms have choice of making more tools, and defending themselves. And all that manipulation could go on, in the human realm, more than any other realms. Teaching could be heard.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=6331.0,6374.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 35]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER42: From what I read about Amitabha's west heaven is that if you happen to make it there you're able to work things out, you know, work through karma or whatever.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Where?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER42: In a sort of pleasant situation.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What world are we talking about?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER42: Western para--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Western paradise\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER42: Yeah, but it wasn't for the purpose of just being stuck there, or experiencing pleasure, but--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Do you mean the--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER42: --work things out, yeah. More pleasant environment.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Are you talking about the pure land or...?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER42: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm. Well, that's different kettle of fish. The one of the first things said is been born in a Sukhavati, is that you never get tired of the pleasant things. And pleasant thing's part of your environment. So in other word you don't experience pleasure as we do. So you have no relative notion there at all. So, which is another state of enlightened state, rather than you been born as a result of karma, and hearing the same music again, and seeing the beautiful things all over again. Which automatically would make us very tired of it. You want to have something else for a change. Prefer to be in hell, something like that. [Laughter; laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=6374.0,6473.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 36]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER43: Are there actually the hungry ghosts and asuras?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: They're stuck somewhere, yeah, sure.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER43: No, I mean, apart from our psychological--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Sure, yeah, sure.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER43: How do you know? [Laughter] I mean, can you see them or hear them?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER43: Can you see or hear them?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I don't think so unless you are... maybe you could see them and hear them if you are one of them.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER44: You mean one of us?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER43: But can't-- we have human bodies, can't we only be one of them in a psychological sense?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You can, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=6473.0,6518.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 37]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER45: It's said that the gods came to hear the Buddha preach, so apparently that he was manifesting at a whole mess of forms just all at once.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes, but, it also said that they--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER45: Speak their language while he's speaking human language.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --it also said that they can't be ordained. In fact in ordination ceremony, you have something like thirty-two questions. One of them is-- a lot of them are saying that, \"Are you-- do you-- have you got permission from your parents? Or are you manifestation of somebody's magic? Or are you from realm of gods?\" If you're one of them, you can't receive ordination. Because you can't have discipline on you-- you're entirely in another realm of thinking. So, I mean consequently, in the historical sort of document there was no disciples of Buddha who was god and was also arhat, or--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER45: I mean, he knew to whom he was talking though.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER45: He knew to whom he was talking. I mean he could see to whom he was talking, even all the time.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER46: So then they--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER45: Even within the limitations of his human mind.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER46: So actually the asuras and hungry ghosts actually had human bodies, as far as we experience. If they apply for ordinations, you know, with the rest of the crowd [laughter]. If they [INAUDIBLE] have a different kind of body the questions wouldn't be necessary. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, it's-- at the same time the person who ordains, the ordainer, could have the hallucination of somebody sitting there, but actually nobody's sitting there. [Laughter] It's his own reassurance. [Laughs; laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER46: Do hallucinations tell the truth?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: They do actually. [Laughter; laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=6518.0,6655.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 38]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER47: When you communicate, you know, in this gap... I can't figure out-- I'm confused about what truth is, in terms of that communication.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You mean the gap in the clear light thing we were talking about?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER47: The gap in the different realms, you know, when you approach someone in the gap of the realm, of the-- of each of those world realms, you know when you have the gap. You find a gap or see a gap or feel a gap, you want to communicate with someone through his, you know, insanity.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER47: What part-- what does truth have to do with the communication in that sense? Or really, what is-- what part does truth play in communication?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, it seems that there's a simple situation. That... of the moment. Rather than trying to use quotations, or language of the memory, or the language of the future. But a simple communication of the moment. But that seems-- that is true, truth. It's like, you're saying, \"It's a nice day today.\" You don't have to put any implication behind the whole thing at all. It's just a nice day. We both experience this very moment. And the whole thing becomes very direct and very literal. Simple.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=6655.0,6810.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 39]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER48: Rinpoche, if all these elements, all these worlds are possibilities that just within us, how did anybody ever get ordained?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, that's the whole point. We have body. All these possibilities are your own trips. But there is a tripp*er* is definitely obvious. We don't have to relate to people with-- according to their trips, but we can only relate with the person according to their tripper.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=6810.0,6844.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 40]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER49: If there are all these trips, and people are attempting to communicate all the time, from the trips, or from one world to another or whatever it might be, and there's a lot of negative communication, then how does the realm or whatever it is, use up that energy? In other words, what prevents the energy from just becoming dissipated. I mean how do you give up trips, when there's constant reinforcement,from memory and other [INAUDIBLE]?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, that's same thing as there somebody else asked early on. And the idea of that you begin with the watcher. And the watcher dissolves. It's-- that's the same principle. That you realize your own trips, which is watcher. When person realize their own trips, then-- as well as when they realize their watcher, and you communicate according to the watcher. And some stage the watcher begin to take second look, at itself. That very moment is where the communication is being taken place, completely.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=6844.0,6960.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 41]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER50: I find them-- that works very well in some situations, such as here, where there's some kind of support for that kind of activity. But out there [laughs]...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: In New York, do you mean?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER50: Well, in New York or [laughter].... There's no time for-- I mean, there's so much activity all the time--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well you don't have to control the whole scene, in order to have time. Time is there already. In order to communicate properly, you don't have to control the scene *at all*. You just communicate in that living situation, whatever it's may be. I mean you don't have to draw the other people into your trip, in order to communicate with a tripless trip.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER50: But there in order to have a living situation you have to create one.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Isn't it there already?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER50: Well, not in that sense, not--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What that sense is?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER50: Well, in another kind of sense, which is that sort of based on, you know, if you're working in a situation or in a job, then there are people have a certain interest in common or whatever. It's a kind of organized life [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, you see that seem to be the whole point. You don't have, necessarily, in order to communicate simply, you don't have to have somebody who has common interest at all. That *is* asking for a trip. You don't have to have that. You can communicate anyone, in any situation. If you don't ask for support or comforted to you. I mean that sounds like that one is asking for, that they should provide hospitality for you, and then you should march in. Doesn't have to be that way. It's like two fellow hitchhikers standing next to each other. They're communicate simply if they get lift. Nobody provides invitation to any of them. If somebody took the first one and reject the second one, that's very simple thing; it happened that way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=6960.0,7119.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 42]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER51: Rinpoche, when you speak about the one who does the journey, or \"the watcher\", or anything -- so, we're like looking that there's a third party, and that third party has to be yourself. So it's yourself watching yourself. That's how it seems to come out.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes, that's true.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER51: If they're looking for a situation, and we're looking for a *second* party, to say, \"Well, the second party, you agree, so I'm on your trip if we agree.\" But then we're looking for a third party, which may have to be our self, to *watch* our self. Otherwise, how do you get out of the trip that you're in?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=7119.0,7177.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 43]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER52: Rinpoche, I think what I was trying to say was that there's trips that-- [laughter], I mean there are trips that are national trips. I mean, like every kid goes to the circus, you know, or, you know, there sort of like the whole pattern -- once you step out of that pattern, you know, whatever it might be, and you don't particularly enjoy doing this or that because it happens to be, you know, cultural trip of some kind, you know, it doesn't have any meaning for you. Then it doesn't make any sense, you know, for anybody. It's not like new-- it's not like approaching it in a new way, you know? You're approaching it and you're knowing that everyone else is enjoying it for what it is, you know, not for the newness aspect of it but for the oldness aspect of it -- if that makes any sense.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: And what goes wrong?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER52: What goes wrong is a kind of disillusionment, you know, if you're not... if it's not meaningful trip you know...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well that sounds like you have disillusioned, and therefore you're going to start-- starting your own new version. Which could also become old version, some stage. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER52: Can you?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=7177.0,7256.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 44]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER53: Rinpoche, it seems that true communication is so rare, that when someone makes a breakthrough to us, and communicates to us, I mean like, you know, that we're not alone, we tend automatically to see that person as savior somehow. As something more than what he is, which makes further communication very difficult. You know, we block off because it's such a tremendous surprise instead of being talked *at*, we're suddenly being talked *to*. And if we are in the position where we're somehow, maybe by accident, we have said something true to someone, and all of a sudden he began to see us as more than we are. How do we relate to-- to get back where we can-- that, you know, his own projection doesn't allow for communication?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, it sounds very... complicated.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER53: It is very complicated. But it seems to be, you know like we start off and we feel that we're the only ones in our situation, and we're alone in it, and no one understands. And then some guy on the street comes up and he says \"it's a nice day,\" and that breaks the whole model -- that we're not alone. And it's very-- it's a satori of itself that there is somebody out there, who can communicate with us.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes, but there's something not quite straightforward there, again at the same time. Is we are alone, anyway.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER53: Well, then there's no communication.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You see, that seem to be the whole point. You could be able to communicate, you could communicate *more*, if you realize we are alone. Communication doesn't mean recruiting people. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER53: No, I-- but the basic situation seems to be a separate-- a separateness, paranoid, ego alone.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Anything you like to call it, that alone.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER53: --situation that, you know, is that the world is something I have to work through with myself, with no sharing or understanding.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, it's-- it seems to be the intensity of the communication. That when somebody says \"nice day\", then you would like to lay trips on that person. \"Yes, it's a nice day except the pollution.\" [Laughter] Or anything of that slant. On your own trip. Trying to draw that person into your side of anti-pollution.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER53: Rinpoche, but, like, no one else is communicating with you. Say, like, there's no-- like you're in a hellish situation which doesn't allow for much communication, right, you're--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It does allow better communication.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER53: Well, yeah, but there's give-- there's not much-- there isn't much in the nature of the situation, there's not much communication, because the person is so tied up with-- we're so tied up with our own pain. But then someone comes along and shows us that he's not our enemy, which breaks down that model.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, that's fine; we just could leave it that point.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER53: And we immediately make him into a savior, which he's not. He's just a friend who--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes, but at the same time you don't have to draw him in. And once you begin to draw him in then quite possibly communication would break down, of course. He'll--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER53: It's a natural process--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --he'll step back, of course then.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER53: --the joy of the first communication.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's-- that in itself is enough.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=7256.0,7489.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 45]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER54: Rinpoche, how do you personally view yourself in this situation right now, handle that particular thing? A lot of us here probably feel that -- I'm pretty sure that we have a big point of view is-- I don't know, it seems as being something different, you know, either more special or different or, you know, like been around eleven times or [laughter] whatever. Like, you know, like that's our particular thing to handle. But how do you handle that-- [Unknown incident; laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=7489.0,7558.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 46]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER55: Rinpoche, it's said with the long-lived gods, that when they realize that they're about to die, that the immense sort of emotional anguish is very acute. Do they up to then realize that they are going to die, as we realize from quite an early age that we're going to die?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: When you approach somebody else do you mean?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER55: No, the condition of the gods, of the long-lived gods. Up to the point when they realize they're about to die. Do they know that they're going to die, as we do, from most of our lives?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think worse. As far as death to them is stepping out of their meditative state, as well as not able to maintain that, altogether. It's something more than that we feel. It's definitely more intense, worse than we could.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER55: When they do die, and they go into their bardo trip, the-- in the bardo trip where there are the peaceful deities, how does that equate with the god realm? [INAUDIBLE]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, there-- well there seem to be peaceful deities, but to them they're aliens. They're overwhelming, because it's part of them. I mean, there's nothing that they could relate with at all. As far as they're concerned it's another species of animals, have more powerful and overwhelming impressions on them.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER55: Although they are peaceful.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, style of peaceful in their case, is absolutely peaceful, completely peaceful; it's frightening. I mean, you can't move them. It-- it's invincible peace. So which is terrifying.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER55: The invincible peace is terrifying?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER55: Well, how about then, it's at a late stage wrathful--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Exactly the same thing.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER55: --deities. How come, say in our bardo trips with the hell scenes, how does the hell experiences in the bardo state equate with the hell realms?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, bardo state allows you more possibilities, because you are flipping out and in constantly. Whereas, once you already in the hell realm, you have no chance to flip out and in, you are stuck there. Stuck in the hallucination. As though person had a bad acid trip and couldn't get out of it at all; realizes that rest of his life he's got stuck in that hallucination. Whereas in the case of like bardo experience, it seem to be a momentum of flipping in, flipping out, which allows you to have a chance.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER55: But don't both states exist as long as the karmic-- until the karmic causes have been played out?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, that's part of the-- bardo is also part of the karmic situation, which allows you to have a chance. You are in the bardo state because your karmic situations.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER55: Yes, but everybody enters the bardo experience.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. There's always opportunity.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER55: You mean there's more opportunity in the bardo experience of hell than in the--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER55: --than in the other realm of hell?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, because you are not so involved with the intensity of your own trip, there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=7558.0,7837.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 47]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER56: The Book of the Dead seems to place a great deal of value on holding to the clear light and attaining liberation for ourselves. [INAUDIBLE WORDS] today. Where does the bodhisattva ideal come into such-- it seems to be a bit self-centered at that-- in a way. At least in this translation.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, well, it's saying the same thing. That you can't attain clear light unless you give up your clinging. Giving up clinging is the basis of bodhisattva principle, that \"I won't attain enlightenment, until I could help all sentient beings.\"\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER57: Could you--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER58: You can start with the bodhisattva vow.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER57: Yeah, yeah, but that's still a clinging then, but it's a noble clinging, kind of.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: If there's a clinging, it's same clinging anyway.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER57: Well, if you're totally free of attachment, then you don't really care about saving other sentient beings--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, if you remain in the state of clear light, that means automatically you're remaining in a no man's land, without something to relate *to*, which is egoless state already.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER57: But then you're not relating to anything. I mean, it's just...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, you're relating... as far as it goes, it sort of \"non-clinging\" state. That's the only thing you could relate to at that point.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER57: It doesn't seem to be a very joyous place to hang out. I was wondering why they recommend it so highly.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Why don't you come back to one of the realms then? [Laughter; laughs] Why should you stay in there? [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=7837.0,7947.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 48]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER58: But isn't that the state of relating like the moon in the thousand bowls of water?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER58: There isn't relation by motive, but there is--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Natural.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER58: Natural--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER58: [INAUDIBLE] spontaneous.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. And that's lot of situations happens, that you have to come back to six realms of world. Which is more seductive and more occupational situation. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=7947.0,7970.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 49]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER59: Could you relate the-- speaking of the clear light and with meditative experiences such as-- I'm thinking of two...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Thinking of what?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER59: I'm thinking of two, wondering how-- what the relationship is-- you're speaking of these bardo experience and the experience of clear light, and the-- what is the relationship? Also you spoke of the dharmakaya. How do these relate, just as words? For instance the meditative experience of say at the end of a-- you become completely absorbed, and there's nothing. On the other hand, the different kind of an experience would be, that everything was still there, but it was simple and there wasn't any interfering with it, up to a point to which you start to enjoy it and then cling-- try to cling to that. Or you try to-- attempt to cling to the absorption. But before that starts, how do those relate to... to the, for instance to the clear light. Do those relate...?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Relate to...?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER59: You spoke of the clear light in terms of a blank, and then you spoke of the clear light in terms of also everything being there too, it seemed yesterday and also today--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER59: And do those-- does that relate to those types of meditative experiences?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, clear light is not meditative state. That's why it is referred as \"mother meeting son.\" The clear light is background of open blankness, no-man's land. And meditative experience is some kind of wake state, acknowledging that or experiencing that. Which is second stage, seems to be. As long as when you begin to relate with the clear light, then that *is* meditative experience. You are clearly in a state of clear light already, but once you begin to relate to it, then that becomes a meditative experience.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=7970.0,8138.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 50]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER60: What happens to, say the hinayana, or the various other teachings? How do they view this whole thing where their goal is to get off the whole death-rebirth cycle, totally for themselves? And so I take it that their approach to the bardo experience is an approach to get this one out -- to where? You know, what's the difference in comparison between [INAUDIBLE]--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I suppose you could view the whole bardo experience as sort of hinayana way, as well as you could approach as mahayana, or the vajrayana way. It's-- whole process is that stepping out, or, if whole thing is regarded as stepping out into something, or whole thing's regarded as experiencing something or making something out of *that*.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER60: Well what happens to such a person? Like say that there are various teachers who claim that they're-- you know, the avatars, with that whole trip or [INAUDIBLE WORDS], who tell us that this is their last life. And I assume that they've, you know, that they're honest in their appraisals of themselves. 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If they no longer clinging and have worn out all their karma both good and bad, then why do they have to do that at all?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No, because they have to relate with the energy, which is still there. Which has nothing to do with the karma, good or bad, but it's natural law. There had to be some exit of some kind. 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The spark of energy is still there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=8359.0,8379.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 52]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER62: Rinpoche, what is the philosophy of the energy that comes from the clear light?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Philosophy?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER62: Of the energy. Of the origin of the energy.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, in order to remain clear light as clear and no-man's land, you have to have energy to be in it. It's purely for the maintenance of the energy's maintenance of this clear light itself. That much volume of nothingness had to be worked out that much somethingness. Which is always there. Otherwise it would be cease to become clear light altogether.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER63: So?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: So that being in a complete nothingness, means being complete everything.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER64: Like why any of it might [INAUDIBLE]? \r\n\r\n\r\nUNCONFIRMED SHERAB CHODZIN MICHAEL KOHN: Yeah, like that. I mean, it leads to idea like \"purusha,\" you know. Leads to the idea that there's one enormous being, which is everything. Which has its life cycle to go through...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, it doesn't become life cycle this case. If you're approaching from the-- into the dharmakaya level.\r\n\r\n\r\nUNCONFIRMED SHERAB CHODZIN MICHAEL KOHN: Well, I mean, then not life cycle but it has an energy pattern to fulfill of some kind.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I wouldn't say it's fulfilled but is happens. It's natural function. \r\n\r\n\r\nUNCONFIRMED SHERAB CHODZIN MICHAEL KOHN: So there's not only the dharma-- the dharmakaya or the nothingness, but there's also a natural law according to which it also is.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, you could say that clear light contains dharmakaya, sambhogakaya, and nirmanakaya.\r\n\r\n\r\nUNCONFIRMED SHERAB CHODZIN MICHAEL KOHN: Yeah. And so it has-- by it nature it must always reflect into all those?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I wouldn't say \"must\", but it's there.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER63: Then what happened to the Buddha [INAUDIBLE]--\r\n\r\n\r\nUNCONFIRMED SHERAB CHODZIN MICHAEL KOHN: So that -- excuse me, just for a second -- that's the absolute fact then?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [Whispers] I can't tell you that.\r\n\r\n\r\nUNCONFIRMED SHERAB CHODZIN MICHAEL KOHN: [Laughs] I mean, philosophically. [Trungpa Rinpoche laughs] You know, I mean, there's-- so the fundamental \"isness\" is \"isness\" [laughs]. [INAUDIBLE]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I mean the whole thing's related to-- relating to a teaching. That the teaching comes from outer space. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=8379.0,8586.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 53]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER64: Rinpoche? Does that mean that if somebody enters into-- like into a [UNCLEAR: refined?] state, he really doesn't abandon anything at all?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's what exactly compassion means.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER64: Then, the bodhisattva turf is sort of behind him, so to speak?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: If you say so.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER64: I don't say so, I [INAUDIBLE]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well it could be as-- that's why you have different stages of bodhisattvas.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER65: Could one say that-- about the bodhisattva vows versus-- that it's just not possible for any one being to escape totally, until all beings are free, because you always have to come back, as you said before.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, you happens to be there, providing the antimatter for the matter, which is samsara. So, it's a natural situation.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER65: Just like [INAUDIBLE]?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: When there's happens to be any matter at all, then you don't have to have antimatter at all. But that is endless. I mean, it seems that nobody so far had found that there's end of the matter -- matter goes on constantly. So, as long as there is matter, there is antimatter. As long as there is samsara, there will be always buddhas going through the different stages of sambhogakaya, dharmakaya, nirmanakaya. So, it's not a question of talking about how free the Buddha could be; but it's a question of how much situation there is to maintain such a term as \"enlightenment\", opposed to \"endarkment\" or whatever you like to call it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=8586.0,8708.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62561/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: CLOSING REMARKS]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER66: How much time do we have?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think we should end. [laughter; chatter]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=8708.0,8699.30563"}]},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62562","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["19710926VCTR1-Captions [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62562/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ARP SLATE:\nThis is the Venerable Chogyam","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=1.07,2.67"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62562/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Trungpa Rinpoche, seminar\non Tibetan Book of the Dead","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=2.67,6.7"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62562/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"held at Tail\nof the Tiger, Vermont.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=6.7,8.94"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62562/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This will be talk Number Three,\nheld September 26th, 1971.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705#t=8.94,14.81"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115837/file/219705/transcript/62562/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This is an ARP digital\nremaster made March, 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I think you described\nthe frozen kind of hell. 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