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Presents the charnel ground as the foundation for building the mandala. Describes how to work with the panic arising from the basic split between ourselves and our projections through direct engagement with our immediate situation, the charnel ground of samsaric experience. Includes vivid descriptions of the world as a gigantic charnel ground where humans roam, behaving like animals fighting over pieces of meat in expressions of poverty mentality and the three poisons. Presents the charnel ground as the land upon which to construct the mandala because it is our only option; it is all we have to work with."]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication"]},"value":{"en":["UNPUBLISHED"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication Details"]},"value":{"en":["AUDIOCD: Mandala Principle and the Three Yanas (Kalapa Media, out-of-print)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Transcription Credits"]},"value":{"en":["Nov 06 2018 to Nov 21 2020\nTranscribing: Matilda Perks\nChecking: Ella Milligan\nFinal Proof: Travis May, Ella Milligan\nOther Contributors: Lynn Friedman, Warner Dick"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["© Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced"]}},{"label":{"en":["Year"]},"value":{"en":["1976"]}}],"summary":{"en":["The mandala principle from the point of view of the first yana, the hinayana. Presents the charnel ground as the foundation for building the mandala. Describes how to work with the panic arising from the basic split between ourselves and our projections through direct engagement with our immediate situation, the charnel ground of samsaric experience. Includes vivid descriptions of the world as a gigantic charnel ground where humans roam, behaving like animals fighting over pieces of meat in expressions of poverty mentality and the three poisons. Presents the charnel ground as the land upon which to construct the mandala because it is our only option; it is all we have to work with."]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["© Diana J. 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Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]\r\n\r\n\r\nARP SLATE: This is the Venerable Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche. Seminar entitled, Mandala Principle and the Three Yanas, held in New York City. This is talk number one, \"The Charnel Ground\", held March 18th, 1976. This is an ARP digital remaster made August, 2007.\r\n\r\n\r\nORIGINAL SLATE: This is the first talk in the series, Mandala Principle and the Three Yanas, given in New York City, in March of 1976, by Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche. This first talk is entitled, \"The Charnel Ground\".","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814#t=0.0,42.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814/transcript/82215/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: MAIN TALK]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Welcome fellow members. We are doing this way, at this particular seminar, because there might be further things we could discuss, and also your personal practice and expression of commitment -- which brought you here -- and would like to make further emphasis on that particular possibility. And it is very convenient, in some sense, that in such talk that I don't have to trace back, unnecessarily. That you have already studied, and practiced, so that we could get into the heart of the matter, so to speak.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814#t=42.0,135.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814/transcript/82215/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We try to go through the three-yana principles, in connected with the mandala ideal. So I would like to start on the first one, the first yana. And I feel that there is no particular need for laying further ground than what be covered by the first section of the yana, and its attitude to mandala concept, ideal. So, I think it is quite simple.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814#t=135.0,201.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814/transcript/82215/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Since the beginning of the split, between one's world and its projections, there has been a lot of misunderstandings. [Laughs; laughter] I wouldn't say exactly it is a *mistake*; it's purely misunderstanding. And from that misunderstanding, it rose, sense of concern -- panic, if you like. And that sense of concerned panic brought us into the situation of so-called life. And we try to create constant repairing process, or patching-up process, and the process of repairing and patching up is known as hassle or pain. From that pain, we have developed further split, or at least at this point, it is could be called schizophrenic situation has developed. And there is a sense of *enormous* longing, and a sense of enormous hunger. Understanding, realizing the poverty exist in us, which is also part of the big misunderstanding of course. And also that we have demonstrated a sense of enormous hatred, anger, and notion of intense resentment. And occasionally we feel numb, on those two situations. We feel somewhat wretched, somewhat confused at the same time. Having fought so much, or having tried to seduce so much, that we get tired of the situation, and we go into a stupor, and becomes utterly numb. We can't even fall asleep, or daydream properly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814#t=201.0,447.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814/transcript/82215/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We have created our own world, and we always trying to please ourselves, fixing situations around us, or purchasing further situations. Or things that don't seem to work, we trying to sell it, so that we could reuse the value in some other directions. That we don't see whether we are coming or going. And occasionally, we clash with ourselves: the one aspect of us coming, one aspect us going, [laughter] and so we call it freak-out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814#t=447.0,556.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814/transcript/82215/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There is enormous organization is taking place there. Trying to be efficient, but it turn out to be chaotic -- nevertheless, it *entertains* us. So we feel somewhat satisfied, that we don't have to think the original misunderstanding anymore, which *was* very painful -- still is. And that is the big thing that always happens in us, that we always feel... [sighs] that big misunderstanding, right at the beginning. And we try to shield off, by trying to push, and pull, and flop.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814#t=556.0,628.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814/transcript/82215/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What is really needed in that situation is not so much of invite psychiatrist or wise men to tell us and explain the whole thing, but what is needed is simplify the matter into very definite situation -- very precise situation. If he is seek for explaining-- explanations on the case history, or for that matter, if he ask for some intellectual or emotional way of disentangling their particular process, and more we try to disentangle, and sort out original misunderstanding, the explanations themselves get in the way. We have done those things already. There are numerous books written, millions of talks given, but nevertheless, *nothing* had happened -- actually. Feels good at the time, of course, but then, so what? Depressed as ever, speedy as ever, confused as ever.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814#t=628.0,787.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814/transcript/82215/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"How do we simplify? Do we say that whole thing was just simply bad joke, and try to create a better joke, known as religion, known as democracy, what have you. So, we are at lost. Very sad -- hopeless. So bad. We could dwell on our problems, and we could mourn for centuries. Generations after generations people can transmit their regret, and depression, but what good it do. We get more solid, and more resentful, more *wretched*. Feels that society has done terrible things to us. They *shat* on us and vomited on us, diarrhea-ed on us, stepped on us. Hmm... I think it's very interesting to look it that way -- very interesting. Not that we are studying that particular case history as if we are not in it, but since we are in it already it is very interesting to look at that point of view, understand that situation, simply.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814#t=787.0,977.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814/transcript/82215/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It seems that we don't trying to sort out the problems of the big misunderstanding at the beginning, at all. If we trying to do that we have to cross the whole ocean of suffering and misery and pain and confusion, all the rest of it. Seemingly it is advised, according to the message of Buddha, that we started-- we start the whole thing of our journey immediately. An immediate situation, rather than studying the politics of the original misunderstanding.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814#t=977.0,1067.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814/transcript/82215/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In the mandala situation, that the general and total experience that we experience had to be the foundation to build rest of the mandalas. The background of the mandala, or the foundation or the land, property, in which we build mandala set-up, is that of a charnel ground. As been described, the charnel ground is where the realities of pain, death, sickness, fight, aggression, passion, is demonstrated. Place where dead bodies deposited. The vultures come along, dogs come along, jackals come along, and eagles come along, ravens come along. Everybody fight for one piece of meat, *flesh*. It's not cooked; it's raw meat. It's not put on a plate, it's lying on the ground, horrifically, with expressions of death, bodies of the death.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814#t=1067.0,1279.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814/transcript/82215/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The carnivorous animals, are very turned on -- they're *passionate*. They want to scoop eyes, crunch on ears. They want to suck and swallow the internal organs -- like a good spaghetti. [Laughter] They're in love, passionate. They like the juiciness and the varieties that exist there. That's what we do, actually -- we don't have to grow wings or beaks or claws, but that's what we are. On this gigantic charnel ground called \"world\", that we become jackals, vultures, ravens, dogs, whenever there's a piece of meat is available to us. It's expression of poverty, and it is expression of *aggression* -- hunger and aggression. Without any reason, we get pissed off. Without any reason, we feel passionate. [Unknown incident or gesture] [Laughter; laughs] Is it flower? [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814#t=1279.0,1479.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814/transcript/82215/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We are to use, whatever we have manifested, as a part of the background of mandala, quite simply, quite directly, very simply. This particular site of the mandala, which is *there*, is not so much of choosing site, or appropriate location, but it is simply... for lack of other choice, it is there. It is where the arhats have developed their understandings of cause and effect of samsara. It is where the layman find their sense of demonstration of what this world is like -- world *is*. It is where the novice would find sense of renunciation, on this ground. Without relating with *this* kind of basic charnel ground, which we are talking about, there's no other way. You might say, \"Isn't there a better or cleaner, more respectable place we could build our mandala?\" Doesn't seem to be.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814#t=1479.0,1669.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814/transcript/82215/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I've witnessed a place in California, which is a good charnel ground, called Esalen. [Laughter] I was there -- first and last time [laughter] -- and it is by the ocean, coast. Hot spring, nice rooms. People with body consciousness are there always. At the time of a sunset came along, that most of the inmates there [laughter] hug-eled with each other, holding their hand, hugging each other. Simply, gazing the sunset, over the ocean, leaning on the palm trees, or what have you. That's another approach from jackal, raven, vulture. Seemingly much more gross than actual charnel ground.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814#t=1669.0,1790.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814/transcript/82215/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You might visit place like in Mexico, or India, what have you, but nevertheless, it's same -- same charnel ground. New York City is supposed to be a famous charnel ground according to the natives. But seem to be slightly put on, rather than a real charnel ground, particularly. But however, we find out.\r\n\r\n\r\nIf you'd like to ask questions you're welcome.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814#t=1790.0,1855.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814/transcript/82215/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 1]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: Hello?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Can you raise your voice? It’s not--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --PA system.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: I didn't understand what you meant when you said-- you advised to start the journey immediately--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I said what?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: You said that the Buddha advised to start the journey immediately, rather than studying the politics of the original misunder--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: --standing. I didn't understand what you meant, \"instead of studying the politics.\"\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: \"Instead of studying politics,\" which is trying to study the case history, or how we could get out of the politics of samsara; instead, work organically, immediately, personally.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814#t=1855.0,1916.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814/transcript/82215/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 2]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Rinpoche, are you saying that the charnel ground is in each one of us personally if we allow ourselves to experience -- or to be aware our experiences of aggression, passion, pain, and *all* of the things that are painful and sort of disgusting, or hungry, about us? Is that like *our* charnel ground? Or...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well there's no choice actually -- that's what it is. I'm not particularly saying that how we should interpret particularly, but that's what it is, quite simply. Definitely so.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814#t=1916.0,1974.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814/transcript/82215/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 3]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: I was struck by a similarity between your description of the world having shat upon us, and pissed upon us, and stepped upon us, and your description in the public talk of the guru babysitting his students, and tolerating their pissing on him and shitting on him and so forth. And [laughs, laughter] I wondered if you would comment further on that comparison?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Your guess is good as mine. [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814#t=1974.0,2026.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814/transcript/82215/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 4]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Rinpoche, I've been to Esalen also, and I'm very curious whether you think that there are places, or atmospheres, in which we can only be... vultures, dogs, and ravens. Or whether there's a way of being in such a place and perceiving the sunset in a different fashion?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You want to become one of them? [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: I *am* one of them. You know--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's it.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think that's the answer actually. So, it's not so much of what the possibility is... but it is what it *is*.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: But does-- what if you find yourself in such a place?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You always find it -- not what *if*.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Excuse me?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Not what *if*, but you are always in it.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: So, that's it, I suppose. Right *here*, now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814#t=2026.0,2108.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814/transcript/82215/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 5]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: Rinpoche, how can we study our case history without being locked into it? Or must we first be locked into it to... sort of get out of it--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: If you say we must study our case history, and I'm wondering how we can do that without being locked into that, or?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: To begin with you don't study your case history; you just find out what's happening, on the spot. *Then* you might have some understanding of reflecting back later on. That seem to be the point. *Sit* first, and then study as you go along.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814#t=2108.0,2152.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814/transcript/82215/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 6]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Any brave ones? [Laughter] Okay, this young man in red shirt.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: You talked about that the charnel ground is the basic ground that the mandala comes from or that we build the mandala on. Well, just exactly what are we building or why are we building something on the charnel ground?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Because we have no other ground.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: But why build?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Let's find out. Precisely. That's it. Yeah. [Laughter] Why are we here, in this charnel ground? It's very clean here, but nevertheless it's charnel ground. And euphemistic word we use is \"shrine room\", \"meditation hall\". [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814#t=2152.0,2243.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814/transcript/82215/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 7]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Ah, two more brave people.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: All the animals that you talked about -- the vultures and the ravens and the dogs -- they all are scavengers on the charnel ground. Are there any differences in the types of these animals? In other words, are there particular styles of ravens and vultures and dogs, in the charnel ground?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What you mean? [Laughter] We have to start a zoological survey or something? [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: I couldn't hear you, I'm sorry.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: We have to start a zoological survey of some kind? [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: Well I wondered whether the-- they were sort of symbolic -- the animals?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: They are not symbolic. They are what we-- you are. SPEAKER7: Right.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You're one of them! [Laughter] It's not symbolic--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: Well which one of them am I?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --now you can't get away with that. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: I kind of fancy raven as--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I beg your pardon?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: I said I kind of fancy raven as opposed to dog.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Maybe you are dog. [Laughter] Maybe you are all of them. [Laughter] In the morning you become raven, in the midday you become a vulture, in evening you become... what you call -- a jackal. Or whatever have you, you know.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: I seem to be--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I beg your pardon?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: I seem to be sort of a zoo.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No, they are not regarded as showpiece. [Laughter] As much as *this* place is not regarded as showpiece; we don't have anybody walking around in a glass case outside, \"How the buddhists do their trip.\" [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814#t=2243.0,2367.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814/transcript/82215/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 8]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Somebody raising hand over there? Hmm, different person next.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: I wrote down--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Okay, however.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: --something. You said, \"We ought to use whatever we have manifested.\"\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Sorry? Can you you raise your voice?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: Okay. I wrote down, \"We ought to use whatever we have manifested--\"\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: \"--as the background of the mandala.\" It all-- it sounds to me like an invitation, to be part of the charnel ground, to just--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: --do it, even though it may seem... disgusting.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: And repulsive.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Sure.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: That was what it was?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: People have never seen a real butcher shop in the West, and when they see it, they're horrified; that their meat is not packaged but actual *real* stuff is hanging from the ceiling. That's not very... clever.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: Become vegetarians? [Laughs, laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I beg your pardon?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: I said, is that why we become vegetarians?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, that makes worse, I suppose.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: Hmm?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That makes worse.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: Why?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, supposedly vegetables also have a life. You are eating them on the spot.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: But they don't smell as bad as dead meat. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm. You find out more if you live with the vegetables. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: [off-mic] Live in the charnel ground, not with the vegetables. [Laughs; laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814#t=2367.0,2523.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814/transcript/82215/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 9]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: I was wondering if the structure that we build on this charnel ground is not relative to our experience of it? So that we-- the more we experience it, and see it, the stronger that structure is?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No promise.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: No promise. [Laughs] Okay.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No promise.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814#t=2523.0,2550.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814/transcript/82215/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 10]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: Rinpoche, if I'm a raven and a dog, then you are too, yeah?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I beg your pardon?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: If I'm a raven and a dog, then I guess you are too.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I am too?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I'm not saying I'm not one of *those*. I live in this charnel ground myself, I am one of the chief. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: So you're a chief raven and a chief dog, because you know what it is to be a raven--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Anything you say.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: Anything I say?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Sure.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: That's the [laughing] problem.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I'm not suggesting social discrimination.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: You're not suggesting...?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Social discrimination here--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: So sure discrimination...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --between the difference between me and--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: Social discrimination.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --and you, people.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: Social discrimination -- so, I'm discriminating between ravens and dogs?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Between me and you.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: Yeah, that's the [laughing] problem.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814#t=2550.0,2648.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814/transcript/82215/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 11]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: Rinpoche, you spoke of a charnel ground saying, \"This is it. There's no alternative. It's the way it is.\" I'm wondering where we start, in that sense that, if that's *it*. Is the starting point looking, and see if that's it? Or is the starting point that you say, \"That's it?\" And that worries me, in the sense that I could hallucinate a charnel ground that *you're* talking about, rather than the one I could *see*. Could you say anything about that?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I'm not so sure, whether you want me to say something or whether I should say something.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: Okay. I would like you to say -- well, I guess, let me put it this way. I'm worried about hearing you talk about a charnel ground and saying, \"Okay that's some security, I'll try to-- I'll take his word for it. That's great, you know, that's it, I'm starting from there.\" But I'm worried about that.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You're worried about what?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: About taking your word for it. Because sometimes--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: --it feels like a charnel ground, sometimes it doesn't -- feels very nice and--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: --cozy. And where do we start from? Do we keep looking? Or do we start from you saying, \"This is it,\" and that's a basis?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It'll catch up.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: Okay, thanks.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814#t=2648.0,2750.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814/transcript/82215/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: CLOSING REMARKS]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Okay friends, maybe we have to stop at this point. Hopefully that you'll be able to think more over what we discussed, and maybe study, so we could understand *more* of what we're going to discuss later on. Thank you, jackals. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814#t=2750.0,2778.76569"}]},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814/transcript/82216","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["19760318VCTR1-Captions [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814/transcript/82216/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ARP SLATE: This is the\nVenerable Chogyam\nTrungpa Rinpoche.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814#t=0.47,4.07"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814/transcript/82216/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Seminar entitled, Mandala\nPrinciple and the Three Yanas,\nheld in New York City.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814#t=4.07,8.93"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814/transcript/82216/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This is talk number one,\n\"The Charnel Ground\",\nheld March 18th, 1976.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814#t=8.93,15.2"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814/transcript/82216/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This is an ARP digital remaster\nmade August, 2007.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814#t=15.2,21.07"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814/transcript/82216/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ORIGINAL SLATE: This is the first\ntalk in the series,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814#t=21.07,23.22"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814/transcript/82216/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mandala Principle\nand the Three Yanas,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814#t=23.22,26.02"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814/transcript/82216/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"given in New York City,\nin March of 1976,\nby Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814#t=26.02,32.53"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814/transcript/82216/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This first talk is entitled,\n\"The Charnel Ground\".","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814#t=32.53,37.42"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814/transcript/82216/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Welcome fellow\nmembers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814#t=42.65,45.99"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814/transcript/82216/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We are doing this way,\nat this particular seminar,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814#t=48.32,60.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814/transcript/82216/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"because there might be\nfurther things we could discuss,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814#t=60.0,68.21"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814/transcript/82216/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and also your personal practice","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814#t=68.21,77.64"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814/transcript/82216/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and expression of commitment --","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814#t=77.64,83.14"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814/transcript/82216/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"which brought you here --\nand would like to\nmake further emphasis","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814#t=83.14,88.87"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814/transcript/82216/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"on that particular\npossibility.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814#t=88.87,93.99"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814/transcript/82216/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And it is very convenient,\nin some sense,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814#t=93.99,105.27"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814/transcript/82216/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that in such talk that I don't\nhave to trace back,\nunnecessarily.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814#t=105.27,119.78"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814/transcript/82216/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That you have already studied,\nand practiced,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814#t=119.78,124.81"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814/transcript/82216/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"so that we could get into\nthe heart of the matter,\nso to speak.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814#t=124.81,131.9"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814/transcript/82216/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We try to go through\nthe three-yana principles,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814#t=135.79,142.35"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814/transcript/82216/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"in connected\nwith the mandala ideal.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814#t=146.75,152.96"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814/transcript/82216/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So I would like to start\non the first one,\nthe first yana.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814#t=152.96,165.97"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814/transcript/82216/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I feel that\nthere is no particular 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yana,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814#t=175.73,181.37"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814/transcript/82216/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and its attitude\nto mandala concept, ideal.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814#t=181.37,187.3"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814/transcript/82216/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, I think\nit is quite 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That's it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814#t=2192.19,2199.86"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814/transcript/82216/annotation/284","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah.\n[Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814#t=2204.97,2210.91"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814/transcript/82216/annotation/285","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Why are we here,\nin this charnel ground?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814#t=2210.91,2217.91"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814/transcript/82216/annotation/286","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's very clean here,\nbut nevertheless\nit's charnel ground.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814#t=2217.91,2226.05"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154715/file/283814/transcript/82216/annotation/287","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And euphemistic word we use is\n\"shrine room\", \"meditation\nhall\". 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