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Speakers were Trungpa Rinpoche, John Roper, a representative from the non-profit Ashoka Credit Union, and the Vajra Regent. Trungpa Rinpoche describes business ideas based on Buddhist principles or practice: non-aggression, cheerfulness, and a willingness to take risks. The main issues raised for the Ratna Society were: fair pricing between Society members, business information sharing, and networking (e.g. to find skilled workers).\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication"]},"value":{"en":["UNPUBLISHED"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication Details"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eSRCBOOK: RATNA SOCIETY TALKS (out-of-print, Kalapa Media)\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Transcription Credits"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eOct 23 2025 to Mar 21 2026 Transcribing: Ella Milligan Checking: Final Proof: Ruth Veleta Other Contributors: Lynn Friedman\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003e© Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Year"]},"value":{"en":["1978"]}},{"label":{"en":["Release"]},"value":{"en":["2026-R5"]}}],"summary":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eInitial meeting of the Ratna Society, an initiative to support businesses within the sangha. Speakers were Trungpa Rinpoche, John Roper, a representative from the non-profit Ashoka Credit Union, and the Vajra Regent. Trungpa Rinpoche describes business ideas based on Buddhist principles or practice: non-aggression, cheerfulness, and a willingness to take risks. The main issues raised for the Ratna Society were: fair pricing between Society members, business information sharing, and networking (e.g. to find skilled workers).\u003c/p\u003e"]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003e\u0026copy; Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved -\u0026nbsp;Not to be Distributed or Reproduced\u003c/p\u003e"]}},"provider":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["Chogyam Trungpa Digital Library"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["Chogyam Trungpa Digital Library"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/209/original/cti-library-logo-blue-text.png?1672724952","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collections/default_thumbs/000/002/233/small/Logo-Audio-Red.png?1777399940","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2233/collection_resources/169604/file/308249","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 1 - open-uri20260428-880-845znu.mpga"]},"duration":2689.30606,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collections/default_thumbs/000/002/233/small/Logo-Audio-Red.png?1777399940","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2233/collection_resources/169604/file/308249/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2233/collection_resources/169604/file/308249/content/1/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-cti.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/308/249/original/open-uri20260428-880-845znu.mpga?1777399725","type":"Audio","format":"audio/mpeg","duration":2689.30606,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2233/collection_resources/169604/file/308249","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2233/collection_resources/169604/file/308249/transcript/93260","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["19780214VCTR1-Transcript [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2233/collection_resources/169604/file/308249/transcript/93260/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[19780214VCTR1 - Ratna Society - Boulder - First Meeting]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]\r\n\r\n\r\nCTI SLATE: This is the Venerable Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, Ratna Society Meeting, First Meeting, held in Boulder, Colorado on February 14th, 1978. This is a CTI remaster made February 2026.\r\n\r\n\r\nORIGINAL SLATE: This is the first meeting of the Ratna Society, with Vajracharya, the Venerable Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche and the Vajra Regent Osel Tendzin, held in Boulder, Colorado on February 14th, 1978.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2233/collection_resources/169604/file/308249#t=0.0,37.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2233/collection_resources/169604/file/308249/transcript/93260/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: INTRODUCTION]\r\n\r\n\r\nJOHN ROPER: --and especially these two friends, Vajracharya, [laughter] the Venerable Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche and the Vajra Regent. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nI think probably half the people sitting here remember that last year we made some efforts at organizing some kind of business group, variously called the Buddhist Boulder Business Association or something like that. And while there was a lot of energy and some inspiration, we seemed to get off on the wrong foot, somewhat loose and disorganized. Now with the Vajracharya's return from retreat, we decided to reorganize everything very clearly on genuine Buddhist lines. And so we've-- have been given the name the Ratna Society for our business organization, which is a Buddhist name, and beyond that everybody knows it from their Buddhist studies that \"ratna\" relates to enrichment. It seems quite appropriate. At one point the Vajracharya said that if we had our own currency, instead of calling the money the dollar we would call it the ratna. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSo at this time I would like to request that the Vajracharya address us.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2233/collection_resources/169604/file/308249#t=37.0,144.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2233/collection_resources/169604/file/308249/transcript/93260/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: MAIN TALK]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I don't have very much to say particularly. It's maybe same tune with a few different words. But the purpose of us getting together is to energize ourselves as proud and sane individuals got together, and setting up our businesses, seem to be the key point. And we could take a different kind of attitude to business than conventional setting-sun people usually does. And businesses that we have established and we are establishing is not so much of trying to save our lives, it's not a gesture of desperate-- desperacy and a sense of panic. And the businesses we are setting up, we have already, simply should be expressions of our own dignity and our own sense of resourcefulness.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2233/collection_resources/169604/file/308249#t=144.0,258.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2233/collection_resources/169604/file/308249/transcript/93260/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That every one of you came up with your own business ideas. And you found that on the basis of Buddhist principles or basis of Buddhist atmosphere inspired by the sitting practice of meditation and studying these theory and practice of Buddhism, and also practicing together with our community at large, we working together, that you come up with all sorts of ideas. And that previously reaction against cultural heritage, and reaction against our family restrictions and neurosis, that everybody trying to break away from anything to do with the business or any kind of involvement with the world. But however, after having been practiced, after having been studied and inspired with our society, buddhadharma society, that you have decide to give yourselves further more chances, and you come up with the business ideas. And each of them are suited to your own particular talent and your own particular inspiration, desire, ambition. And like the rest of the organization works on that principle we do take a lot of chances, as you know, and all of you have been also taking lot of chances as well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2233/collection_resources/169604/file/308249#t=258.0,368.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2233/collection_resources/169604/file/308249/transcript/93260/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But I feel the chances we be taking and expansion of vision that we been developing is actually very powerful one, extremely powerful one. So, I would like to encourage you again, or remind you, that business deals we do and business practice we do is in our case not so much of desperate situation, but further endornment and further elaboration in our own dignity. And because of that we should work together naturally. We should stick together. And we could relate with the world with our own kind of sanity that we possessed, and dealings with the world would become slightly different.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2233/collection_resources/169604/file/308249#t=368.0,439.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2233/collection_resources/169604/file/308249/transcript/93260/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yesterday I had an interview with the Daily Camera [Boulder newspaper] person who asked me about business, Buddhist business. And he said that people are sometimes frightened that we might buy Boulder altogether. [Laughter] And he said, \"Do you think there would be such possibilities?\" I said, \"Maybe, sometimes.\" [Laughter; laughs] Well I don't know whether that will come back with a big headline or whatever. [Laughter] It's going to come out this week anyway, you know, you'll read it. And I told him actually, particular characteristics of Buddhist business is nonaggressive, and a sense of cheerfulness, and also a sense of taking chance. That's the Buddhist style of business. And I told him that hopefully we will actually contribute to the American world that way. That American business world will change if they actually do practice meditation, and do business like we do. He wasn't quite sure how to make that. [Laughter; laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2233/collection_resources/169604/file/308249#t=439.0,542.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2233/collection_resources/169604/file/308249/transcript/93260/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"As businesspeople as well as practitioner we all have some kind of our own style of cheerfulness, which we mustn't lose. And above all some sense of comradeship and some sense of working together, a network, which is very important for us to stick together this point. Until there is such thing as Buddhist world has happened altogether, that presently we are in-- living in the middle of island surrounded by oceans of setting-sun people who are constantly angry, anguish, speedy, ambitious, terrified, and hungry and thirsty and teeth and claws. That's the setting-sun approach to business, is such vicious and ugly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2233/collection_resources/169604/file/308249#t=542.0,601.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2233/collection_resources/169604/file/308249/transcript/93260/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In our case sometimes we might lose our shirts, we might lose our dollars and cents, but nevertheless we continue with our particular way and we can actually outsmart that kind of angry world. You'll be surprised. And we can last longer, we achieve further, and we can actually do it. And it's not purely just a fantasy but we have done it already so far this point. As we first came to Boulder, all of us, everybody's just came out with no money in the bank, almost. And now that we have flourishing ourselves, our own particular style, some people brought more money and some people made more money. And we are doing not badly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2233/collection_resources/169604/file/308249#t=601.0,659.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2233/collection_resources/169604/file/308249/transcript/93260/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well I don't have to particularly indoctrinate you into this, and you know it, anyway. And I'm very pleased that you have your ambition in setting up business situation, which gives us free range of vision of expanding certain particular businesses. And also it gives us further free range that when we want to practice we can always practice, we be our own boss. And when we wanted to elegantize the world, we can do it our style as well. So, we have a lot of future and we have a lot of possibilities in our business work.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2233/collection_resources/169604/file/308249#t=659.0,710.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2233/collection_resources/169604/file/308249/transcript/93260/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I myself is not particularly-- I don't regard as businessman as such, as being trained one -- I never been to a college of businesspeople. But I was just brought up in the barter exchange of Tibetan-style world, which is a self-existing business kind of approach we have developed. And in the Tibetan style of business approach, we look at very simply, extremely simply, to the situation. And we don't panic. So, actually Tibetans are known as the greatest merchants, who actually started the Silk Route. That lot of the merchants in the past in the medieval times who went from central Asia to China, they had to pass through Tibetan plains and mountains. And the business approach there had become way of life rather you getting a job and doing business, as such. And that might have some bearings on us as well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2233/collection_resources/169604/file/308249#t=710.0,792.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2233/collection_resources/169604/file/308249/transcript/93260/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That as businesspeople we could regard ourselves as our natural talent rather than you are switching on to now business mentality, now you're switching off to your watching television mentality. It's a part of our practice. Buddhist mindfulness goes along with Buddhist business mindfulness at the same time. It's all saying the same thing in some sense, as long as we actually utilize what we are doing as part of our practice.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2233/collection_resources/169604/file/308249#t=792.0,835.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2233/collection_resources/169604/file/308249/transcript/93260/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This particular meeting is to encourage all of you that we should work together. We should form a strong fortification so to speak, not that we are particularly in war, or not that particular we are in peace necessarily, but we should hold our hands together and our heads together and heart together, and rejoice at the same time together, and we could help other. And I'm very pleased so far that the business situation that we have evolved had developed this kind of spirit already. And I'm very happy.\r\n\r\n\r\nAnd we do have further suggestions of how to institute Ratna Society. And probably Mr. Roper will present that, or [speaking quietly] do you have anything to say?\r\n\r\n\r\nJOHN ROPER: [Whispering] No.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No? Few words would be nice.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2233/collection_resources/169604/file/308249#t=835.0,922.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2233/collection_resources/169604/file/308249/transcript/93260/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: JOHN ROPER REMARKS]\r\n\r\n\r\nJOHN ROPER: I think that we all appreciate, as businesspeople, that there is no free lunch. And if the Ratna Society is going to be something that can actually be useful to us, it's going to require a commitment on our part, that it's not going to be providing something for nothing. It's going to require our discipline in working together in a committed way. So we plan to organize with regular meetings, both of regular monthly meetings and certain subgroups, or subcommittees, such as finance, business counseling, resource development, or realtors, lawyers, whatever appropriate subcommittees there might be, which is partly dependent on what all of us as a group would like to see happening.\r\n\r\n\r\nThe pattern of this organization I think there's nothing like it in the United States. We're not talking about some kind of chamber of commerce imitation. The closest thing I've been able to think of is a Japanese secret business society, of which there were a number in the eighteenth and nineteenth century when Japan became a dominant economic power under the guidance of the Japanese emperor. One of them was called the Black Dragon Society. And these were secret organizations which helped each other and also watched-- kept watch on the outside world of Europe or whatever existed to find out which directions of business the Japanese would get into.\r\n\r\n\r\nSo another aspect of our Ratna Society will be that sense of confidentiality of our work, sharing our own business facts between us but not with even necessarily with the rest of the sangha at all, or even with spouses, but just among fellow members of this society. The sense of commitment should make this a valuable thing to belong to. We'll have regular meetings with a regular presentation of some subject of business, either from our own businesses or from outside, as well as open discussion, and we can obviously mold that kind of agenda to fit what's needed among this group.\r\n\r\n\r\nIn the next week everyone who is attending this particular meeting will receive a membership application form, and there will be space for you to indicate how you would like to participate -- what subcommittees or subgroups you feel are important. And we would definitely like to hear from each of you about that. And also we'll be forming a coordinating committee which will be chosen by Rinpoche and the Regent. And if you are particularly interested in seeing somebody or other among our members here participate in that coordinating committee, please let us know.\r\n\r\n\r\nI think that's the basic outline. Obviously there are a lot of details to be worked out, and we'll reserve most of that for our next meeting. In the meantime we could have discussion period, if you have any questions.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2233/collection_resources/169604/file/308249#t=922.0,1163.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2233/collection_resources/169604/file/308249/transcript/93260/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 1]\r\n\r\n\r\nNORM HIRSCH: It seems to me that one of the things many of us will be needing in the near future as we expand is personnel. Now what I'm particularly interested in is how the Ratna Society can function in terms of recruiting personnel for specific jobs, skilled jobs, from Buddhist groups around the country.\r\n\r\n\r\nJOHN ROPER: Well I think you should talk to a new business getting started called Arista-- is it Arista Personnel, is that right? [Laughter] Which is composed of Paula Ashton and Karen Locke [Wilding]. And they have a new office on 13th Street in Boulder. And also in terms of relating around the country, some of you might know that during a Dharmadhatu conference we had some meetings with Dharmadhatu people. There's a lot of possibility with cooperating with them, not just them helping us, but also going the other direction, us working with them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2233/collection_resources/169604/file/308249#t=1163.0,1238.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2233/collection_resources/169604/file/308249/transcript/93260/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 2]\r\n\r\n\r\nNORM HIRSCH: Well, for a specific example we need a computer programmer in Diamond Microsystems. And one of our ideas was to send some sort of letter around to Dharmadhatus and centers around the country. Now, could that be appropriate? Should that go through the Ratna Society or should that go through Arista?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, the situation is that that's precisely Ratna Society exist. That we should get together quite frequently and also exchange our informations. That somebody might have discovered a very talented waitress who might be actually good computer person as well. [Laughter] So situations like that always happen, so that is precisely our point of our society, is to filter through each other, that we don't have to actually sort of steal from each other and grab from each other, of you find somebody and-- which has 10,000 demands on that particular person. So I think in my view of thinking that we should maintain this group and work together quite frequently so we have actually some kind of exchange of information bank that taking place, which could be Dharmadhatus, or could be within Boulder itself, or could be big cities, or whatever we have. And we work together that way. And I think that's one of the important functions of Ratna Society is to have that kind of information being filtered with each other, so that we feel that within the sangha there is a friendship rather than trying to confiscate personnels, particularly. And that would be very important one. And you might actually put out some kind of memo from each business that they were looking for certain particular type of personnels that we could-- or also could be another mem-- kind of memo where people are looking for certain particular kind of jobs. So things could be worked out that way.\r\n\r\n\r\nAnd the main point is that we don't cheat our own members of the Ratna Society, we don't steal from each other. So the whole world become from that point of view quite a peaceful one and a very cooperative situation is taking place. That has become-- in the past has been problem. We've experienced that kind of thing, small little squabble of some kind had been happening, and hopefully this particular society will be the basis of straightening that particular situation out. And I think that's very important for us to have that kind of open information situation. Would be very good. And maybe we should put that in our next something or other. [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2233/collection_resources/169604/file/308249#t=1238.0,1441.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2233/collection_resources/169604/file/308249/transcript/93260/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 3]\r\n\r\n\r\nNORM HIRSCH: Well as we grow larger and start new businesses, it seems to be necessary to bring in skilled people that just don't exist at this point in the sangha. So, it seems to me that we might be reaching the point where in order to really develop in certain areas, we-- it looks like we might have to involve people on the outside more than we have in the past. So I'd like to hear your thoughts on that.\r\n\r\n\r\nJOHN ROPER: Well I think there are two things there. One is that there's no particular rule against working with other people. In fact that would be good in many ways. And one of the ways that we manifest our appreciation of the teachings of our practice is by relating with people day-to-day -- we sell to, we buy from a lot of people. And they could work in our businesses. At the same time there is some sense that to remain genuine Buddhist business, we want to make sure that you don't just become an employee of another business, turn over our business to experts who are from the nonpractitioners.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well the question is that, supposing if you're setting up a traveling agent, you might have to employ somebody who is a good, knowledgeable person, who knows how to go about booking airlines and ocean liners, what have you, taxis and-- [laughter; laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nWe don't have a particular barrier against outsiders. That seem to be the distinction-- distinctive mark of the Buddhist business people, unlike the Mormons or other people, that we have no particular prejudice against anybody. And in fact if we presented ourselves that way, then in turn quite likely that people who work for us who could be non-Buddhist, could be good at their particular talent, can begin to understand how we work, way we work, and they could become Buddhist themselves -- or if they couldn't, or they didn't, there's no particular problem. And I think such person could be regarded as part of the Buddhist world anyway because they work for us and they have harmonious relationship with the whole thing. So our approach is not so much of tight employing our own people particular, necessarily. Of course there's-- if you could, that would be good, but on the other hand there's some difficulties happening all the time. And I feel we have the great advantage in that situation, much greater advantage in that situation, and people could bring into our world, which is nothing-- no particular secrets, nothing nasty things happening there. It's just the whole thing is quite open and free and sane situation. And that might benefit that particular individual as well. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nNORM HIRSCH: Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2233/collection_resources/169604/file/308249#t=1441.0,1665.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2233/collection_resources/169604/file/308249/transcript/93260/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 4]\r\n\r\n\r\nSHERAB CHODZIN MICHAEL KOHN: Should Paula and Karen give Norm a discount? [Laughter] Should they do-- should they render the service free? Or is it a better for them to charge full price? Then when they computerize their business later, should Norm give them a discount or, you know? [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nVAJRA REGENT OSEL TENDZIN: You beat me to it. I was going to ask you, \"Should Norm give *them* a discount?\" [Laughter] That's a question for the Ratna Society.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: There should be one particular principle is never cheat our own sangha, and never overcharge our sangha. And that is the starting point that of our business. And we had problems in the past that members of our sangha go to our own business and then we had be somewhat overcharged. We be dealt like the first in the prey, the first meat-- first meal in the dish, the first customer, so charges so much. And so that puts out a lot of our sangha customers, and then in turn they had to go to outside business which are much more economical and much more reasonable. That kind of situation, that kind of philosophy, has been very bad and also tend to create all kinds of schisms within the sangha. So that's one of the ethics we have to actually hang onto, hold onto, which is very important and treat our own people gently. And that's very important. And it will have an ecological effect in the rest of the world outside when we deal with them as well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2233/collection_resources/169604/file/308249#t=1665.0,1792.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2233/collection_resources/169604/file/308249/transcript/93260/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 5]\r\n\r\n\r\nSHERAB CHODZIN MICHAEL KOHN: But how do we treat gently? Is it more gentle to charge full prices to all to each other, or is it a more gentle, you know, is-- we have our own little close-- hermetically not sealed circle but that we have our own little economy here. And actually it becomes confusing, actually very confusing.\r\n\r\n\r\nVAJRA REGENT OSEL TENDZIN: I think the point there is that in establishing this Ratna Society, we should get some idea of what the boundary of our economy is, as Buddhists. And therefore we can actually make some sane and precise decision about how much we charge each other. But when we relate to it as if we were scattered in an aggressive world, then we're confused to begin with. So establishing this society starts to make some clear, precise definition of our world and what our economy is so that we can make those decisions very clearly without destroying our own base, personal business.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think it's a question of friendship had to be expressed, in that you have been probably nice and casual because we know each other in the community, and then in a few weeks later you get a tall bill, heavy bill.\r\n\r\n\r\nSHERAB CHODZIN MICHAEL KOHN: But what I'm getting at is and what I think is a nasty possibility, actually, is that people giving-- keep giving each other discounts, and that is more of a poverty mentality than to give each other tall bills.\r\n\r\n\r\nVAJRA REGENT OSEL TENDZIN: It seems like it's worked the other way so far, in terms of the discounts. Again, if we get into that sort of situation before we actually establish ourselves, that's putting the cart before the horse. Should we give a discount or should we charge full price? Let's get together and establish the society.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think we can do it. [Laughs; laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2233/collection_resources/169604/file/308249#t=1792.0,1928.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2233/collection_resources/169604/file/308249/transcript/93260/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 6]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: Well you kind of cut that conversation off because you want to establish a society first. But my feeling about what Michael wanting an answer to that is that we should have the benefits be on more of a psychological plane than a material plane. And that on the material plane, the monetary plane should be clear cut and maybe at this point full price. Because what I've run into sometimes is that we tend to, when we're doing business with somebody else in the community, we're the first one to say, \"You should give me a discount\" rather than taking the first step to be more cooperative. And that immediately, as soon as somebody takes that kind of first step that you should give me the discount, there seems like there's no way to get away from it, being engulfed by bad feeling. So I think it should be very straightforward on the monetary level that this is what it costs and that's it.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Good. [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2233/collection_resources/169604/file/308249#t=1928.0,2024.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2233/collection_resources/169604/file/308249/transcript/93260/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 7]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: Is there now any apparatus set up within the dharma-- working apparatus set up within the Dharmadhatus, John, for business purposes, for us to reach people around the country -- personnel, or for let's say distribution of goods or whatever?\r\n\r\n\r\nJOHN ROPER: Well we have some names of people in Dharmadhatus who would like to do that, to get involved in business just as we-- same position we were in here two, three years ago. Lists of names are available, could be prepared. They're-- in San Francisco and Boston trying to organize the-- or we tried to organize last year, and sometime within the year we'll be trying to establish the Ratna Society in those places as well, once we get it going here. In the meantime there are a few names. We don't know too much specifics about them.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I think the question is that we have to grow ourselves in the Boulder situation first. And the rest of the provinces so to speak would learn and understand from that example, that how well we work together that seem to be the main point. And we do have a Triple Gem [a sangha business] person in New York which is working out very good. And that kind of situation could actually happen further, very much. But main point is that when people put money in the business, usually with a certain amount of caution. And how things actually work and particularly when the business been called for, like Ratna Society kind of business which people might be expected-- they might feel they be expected to have a certain heavy-handed obligations, that could become somewhat problematic situation. But I think what we have to do is we have to build strong and good one and particularly wonderful example of each other's workability and some kind of cooperation and comradeship.\r\n\r\n\r\nAnd if that situation happens to Boulder firs,t then we can actually expand that news further. And I'm sure lot of our personnels from Boulder can also go out and set their own businesses like we did with Triple Gem. And situation like that could happen. And Dharmadhatus, sometimes they are sort of much more into the outside world, much more so, than our situation here particularly. So that they have to-- even Dharmadhatu organization itself had to be related with the world outside, and they have a lot of struggle in the practically in presenting the teachings as well. But I think if we did something within our own capital, so to speak, with this particular place in Boulder, there is endless possibilities. And it will happen.\r\n\r\n\r\nAnd what is really needed is sometimes the business people in Boulder, even, isolate themselves. They almost go to their own style of retreat. And nobody knows what that person is doing, what kind of secret deals that person is making in very sneaky way. All sorts of sales taking place in-- as in a way to get away from sangha-ship, sometimes. Not often of course -- I'm not talking about your business, Judy, yours is doing fine. But other situations of that kind. And people use their business as some kind of padded wall against Vajradhatu or something like that. And when that situation begin happen, it's very upsetting to me personally. There is no comradeship, and there is purely just personal indulgency, which is become problematic.\r\n\r\n\r\nSince this is open meeting I would like to express that kind of concern and lack of consideration and lack of sense of humanness of our own students and our own people and opening our lives out to them, not regarding the business as as little hood that you could hide underneath. So that's one of the really big considerations, that Ratna Society will go after such people and open their hood and invite them to join with the rest of the business world. Which is seem to be our duty as well. But of course that will be handled very lightly. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2233/collection_resources/169604/file/308249#t=2024.0,2351.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2233/collection_resources/169604/file/308249/transcript/93260/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 8]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: John, could you say something about what Ashoka Credit Union's relationship is to this Ratna Society?\r\n\r\n\r\nJOHN ROPER: Well I think if we have a finance committee we should refer the subject there and figure it out. Ashoka is basically a personal finance organization, it doesn't really make business loans particularly -- a few. On the other hand it is-- it's sort of-- it's a nonprofit business but still a business, and I think it needs to be strengthened and that should be one of our projects from this group.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: I'd like to take this opportunity, since you're all here, to say something about [laughs] Ashoka. And that is we have made several business loans to a lot of people here, and we would like you all to open savings accounts with us. And [laughs] I will be calling you all within the next week [laughs] and speak with you personally about that.\r\n\r\n\r\nJOHN ROPER: Also, if there's anybody here who is behind on their payments to Ashoka, [laughter] we'd like you to pay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2233/collection_resources/169604/file/308249#t=2351.0,2455.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2233/collection_resources/169604/file/308249/transcript/93260/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: VAJRA REGENT REMARKS]\r\n\r\n\r\nVAJRA REGENT OSEL TENDZIN: Well I think we should close our meeting at this point, since this is the first, and not to get into too lengthy discussions about details. But before closing, I would like to say that we have coffee available [laughter] at the back -- no. [Laughs; laughter] Aside from that, it seems to me in working with a lot of you in business projects and talking to a lot of you about your desire to form successful businesses that we have the potential of an entire economy within our Buddhist sangha. Which is fantastic and in some ways unlike any other group. Not only do we have the potential, but we are bound together by our mutual practice and our same mind. So we shouldn't bow too much to the habitual patterns of this particular culture, or any culture for that matter. Because we have the possibility at this point of actually stepping off that habitual pattern of aggression and making a real true Buddhist society for businessmen. To do that we're going to need a lot of patience, tremendous amount of patience with each other, in terms of full prices and discounts, and who tells what about what, and who doesn't tell, and all those habitual patterns which are accumulated with us at this point.\r\n\r\n\r\nSo that kind of patience only comes about through our practice and our relating with each other in a disciplined way. So I would like to encourage everybody to not waste time. When we get the forms for the Ratna Society, please fill them out quickly, so that we can begin our program and work together. We should take advantage of all the possibilities which we have now. And we could also borrow from the business expertise of the people around us and take some of their ideas and make them Buddhist. So, we'll probably be meeting together very soon. When you get your form, fill it out, and let's work together.\r\n\r\n\r\nI would like to say on behalf of the Vajracharya, Mr. Roper, and myself that we are completely at your disposal. We will do whatever we can in terms of making it work, needless to say.\r\n\r\n\r\nSo thank you all very much for coming tonight and we'll meet again, pretty soon. Thank you.\r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2233/collection_resources/169604/file/308249#t=2455.0,2689.30606"}]},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2233/collection_resources/169604/file/308249/transcript/93261","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["19780214VCTR1-Captions [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2233/collection_resources/169604/file/308249/transcript/93261/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"CTI SLATE: This is the\nVenerable Chogyam\nTrungpa Rinpoche,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2233/collection_resources/169604/file/308249#t=0.59,4.5"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2233/collection_resources/169604/file/308249/transcript/93261/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ratna Society Meeting,\nFirst Meeting, held in Boulder,\nColorado on February 14th, 1978.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2233/collection_resources/169604/file/308249#t=4.5,13.83"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2233/collection_resources/169604/file/308249/transcript/93261/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This is a CTI remaster\nmade February 2026.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2233/collection_resources/169604/file/308249#t=13.83,20.16"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2233/collection_resources/169604/file/308249/transcript/93261/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ORIGINAL SLATE: This is\nthe first meeting\nof the Ratna Society,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2233/collection_resources/169604/file/308249#t=21.97,24.89"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2233/collection_resources/169604/file/308249/transcript/93261/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"with Vajracharya,\nthe Venerable Chogyam\nTrungpa Rinpoche","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2233/collection_resources/169604/file/308249#t=24.89,28.48"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2233/collection_resources/169604/file/308249/transcript/93261/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and the Vajra Regent\nOsel Tendzin,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2233/collection_resources/169604/file/308249#t=28.48,30.84"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2233/collection_resources/169604/file/308249/transcript/93261/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"held in Boulder, Colorado\non February 14th, 1978.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2233/collection_resources/169604/file/308249#t=30.84,37.55"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2233/collection_resources/169604/file/308249/transcript/93261/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"JOHN ROPER: --and especially\nthese two friends, Vajracharya,\n[laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2233/collection_resources/169604/file/308249#t=37.55,43.76"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2233/collection_resources/169604/file/308249/transcript/93261/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the Venerable Chogyam Trungpa\nRinpoche and the Vajra Regent.\n[Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2233/collection_resources/169604/file/308249#t=43.76,49.334"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2233/collection_resources/169604/file/308249/transcript/93261/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think probably half the people\nsitting here","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2233/collection_resources/169604/file/308249#t=53.13,55.65"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2233/collection_resources/169604/file/308249/transcript/93261/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"remember that last year we made\nsome efforts at organizing\nsome kind of business 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us.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2233/collection_resources/169604/file/308249#t=128.43,135.83"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2233/collection_resources/169604/file/308249/transcript/93261/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I don't have\nvery much to say particularly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2233/collection_resources/169604/file/308249#t=144.36,147.58"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2233/collection_resources/169604/file/308249/transcript/93261/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's maybe same tune\nwith a few different 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