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Primarily focuses on the first question: “If we are made out of basic perfection, why is there confusion?” Trungpa RInpoche continually pushes students to consider how and why the chain reaction of confusion first began for human beings, to explore its origin and background. Serves as a sort of review of the first two classes, as students try to recall what was taught in previous lectures, grappling with (and in some instances pushing back against) Trungpa Rinpoche’s questions and prompts. Toward the end, the group also touches on the second homework question: “Can this problem of ignorance be understood purely through intellectual understanding, or is there something else?” Issues with audio quality throughout.\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication"]},"value":{"en":["UNPUBLISHED"]}},{"label":{"en":["Transcription Credits"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eJul 21 2018 to Dec 05 2019 Transcribing: Travis May Checking: Diana Janowitz Final Proof: Travis May, Matilda Perks Terminology Review: Matilda Perks Other Contributors: Warner Dick, Lynn Friedman, JP Glutting\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003e© Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Year"]},"value":{"en":["1971"]}}],"summary":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eGroup discussion on the homework questions assigned in the previous class. Primarily focuses on the first question: \u0026ldquo;If we are made out of basic perfection, why is there confusion?\u0026rdquo; Trungpa RInpoche continually pushes students to consider how and why the chain reaction of confusion first began for human beings, to explore its origin and background. Serves as a sort of review of the first two classes, as students try to recall what was taught in previous lectures, grappling with (and in some instances pushing back against) Trungpa Rinpoche\u0026rsquo;s questions and prompts. Toward the end, the group also touches on the second homework question: \u0026ldquo;Can this problem of ignorance be understood purely through intellectual understanding, or is there something else?\u0026rdquo; Issues with audio quality throughout.\u003c/p\u003e"]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003e\u0026copy; Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved -\u0026nbsp;Not to be Distributed or Reproduced\u003c/p\u003e"]}},"provider":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["Chogyam Trungpa Digital Library"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["Chogyam Trungpa Digital Library"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/209/original/cti-library-logo-blue-text.png?1672724952","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/293/544/small/Logo-Audio-Red.png?1759344534","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 1 - open-uri20251001-2006876-n1ohsy.mpga"]},"duration":2066.264,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/293/544/small/Logo-Audio-Red.png?1759344534","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544/content/1/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-cti.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/293/544/original/open-uri20251001-2006876-n1ohsy.mpga?1759343339","type":"Audio","format":"audio/mpeg","duration":2066.264,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544/transcript/84994","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["19710218VCTR1-Transcript [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544/transcript/84994/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[19710218VCTR1 - University of Colorado - Boulder - 1971 Course - Class 4]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]\r\n\r\n\r\nCTI SLATE: This is the Venerable Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, University of Colorado Classes, recorded in Boulder, Colorado. This is Talk Four, \"Discussion and Review,\" February 18th, 1971. This is a CTI custom remaster made August 2025.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544#t=0.0,25.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544/transcript/84994/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 1]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: [audio cuts in] --other people think because man was given choice. And so he could choose and, therefore, he brought on his own confusion.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Man was made what? What did you say?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: That man was given choice.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Choice.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: Yeah, therefore he brought on his own confusion.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, that raises a question... of questions--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544#t=25.0,62.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544/transcript/84994/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 2]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: How?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: [INAUDIBLE] He gives you reason.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: He gives you reason. He doesn't make you a machine. You act out of your mind.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: He doesn't give you a reason?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544#t=62.0,80.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544/transcript/84994/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER2: He does give you reason. You know that’s-- I'm not saying that that's my opinion that much, but she's talking about, like God, so that's the typical reasoning, that he gives you reason, and he gives you a choice. That's why like-- that's the one flash in my mind about why there's evil, you know. Why things went wrong with God's Earth and everybody, well, like the theologians argue that God gave you choice through reason.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Reason, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544#t=80.0,121.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544/transcript/84994/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 3]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544#t=121.0,132.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544/transcript/84994/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER3: Would it be possible to say that when historically at some [INAUDIBLE] before he came from, or how he came to be, he had a need to live. He wanted to live for some reason, and the easiest way for him to live was to involve himself in pursuits such as getting food and stuff like this. And it got to the point where he defined himself solely in terms of these pursuits. And really kind of forgot about what, you know, his, should we say, true self, or whatever. And because of that, [INAUDIBLE] got back into himself.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You mean God? You mean God?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: God? No. God doesn't have anything to do with what I'm saying.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Oh. [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: At least-- what do you mean by God? I mean, in terms of what I said.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I thought you said God gives choice and then that--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: No, no, she said this.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: And here what you're saying is...\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: I'm saying that man wanted to live. I have no idea why.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I see.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: And [INAUDIBLE] he involved himself with these pursuits, which--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: But the problem here--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: --[INAUDIBLE] pursuits.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --that's true, but problem is why all this inclination began?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: To live?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: To live, yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: Because there was something really neat in man that he knew he had...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: How did that whole chain reaction begin?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: The existential question, you know, what was first? How--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I mean, how. How this all happened anyway?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: How did man come to be in the first place?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544#t=132.0,226.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544/transcript/84994/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Exactly. That's what we're discussing. We're not talking in terms of physical manifestation of man as such. But psychological state of man. Why he feels he have to survive? Why?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: Perhaps because there's something in himself where he realizes is very important.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Why?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: Why does he realize it? I don't know that, actually.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, you remember what we discussed before, in the first and second talk? Can you relate to that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544#t=226.0,265.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544/transcript/84994/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER3: Well, I think-- I personally am answering this question from a personal point of view, and I'm willing to say that there are a variety of hypotheses, such as God and things like this. But personally, I really can't say that I wouldn't have any feeling for the why-- why man came into being.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What was this--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: I can see things that are very valuable in him, and outside the normal sense of value too, perhaps. But I can't really say how that came to be.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: The point is why-- what is the origin? What is the background of all this?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: In other words, how did this thing in him come to be?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I mean, what's the ground that have happened to be exist?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: I don't know. I don't know. I know a lot of hypotheses, but I personally don't know the answer to that question.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544#t=265.0,332.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544/transcript/84994/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 4]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: I was wondering, if the question is, \"If we are made out of basic perfection, why is there confusion\" -- who says that we are made out of basic perfection? I didn’t follow that.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, that was the connection with the first discussion we had. First session.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: What did you say? I must've forgotten.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544#t=332.0,357.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544/transcript/84994/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [laughs] Well, you see, the whole point is that-- anybody remember about that? Perhaps we should go this way. I remember a lot of people taking notes. Do you remember people were taking notes at that time, first discussion? No?\r\n\r\n\r\nYou see, we are talking about, if anything happened in terms of existence of man, as such, but this happening must be taking some situation--\r\n\r\n\r\n[GAP IN AUDIO]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544#t=357.0,399.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544/transcript/84994/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 5]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: I thought you were asking me why there was a flower in the first place.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No, I'm not.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: I'm a little-- I'm--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I'm asking you that, if there's a space, why there should be flower rather than space?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: Oh okay, that's what I thought you asked me. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\n[GAP IN AUDIO]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544#t=399.0,414.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544/transcript/84994/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 6]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: --matter in the universe and that--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: There was what?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544#t=414.0,433.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544/transcript/84994/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER5: Like, since there is matter in the universe, material stuff, that through-- I don't know, like, it's sort of hard to explain. Like, out of the matter grew inorganic. And out of inorganic, organic was manifested. It's just like an evolutionary process in the universe. And then--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: That maybe confusion's caused by man not recognizing the unity [INAUDIBLE]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Caused by?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: Maybe the confusion is simply caused by the fact that man cannot recognize [INAUDIBLE]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: Perhaps.\r\n\r\n\r\n[GAP IN AUDIO]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544#t=433.0,493.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544/transcript/84994/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 7]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: As soon as you say this question-- as soon as you say, on the one hand, basic perfection, on the other hand, confusion, there seems to be no way to get out of the tangle. You may be taking the same thing and calling it basic perfection or confusion.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: Why do you call it basic perfection? And why do you call it confusion? Why do you ask the question?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. [Laughter] Well, basic perfection in terms of--\r\n\r\n\r\n[GAP IN AUDIO]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544#t=493.0,539.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544/transcript/84994/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 8]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: Well, is it possible that there's some confusion over what confusion means? And maybe that is something-- before one can answer a question, one has to somehow define confusion.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes, that's the--\r\n\r\n\r\n[GAP IN AUDIO]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544#t=539.0,569.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544/transcript/84994/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 9]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: [INAUDIBLE] the problem is that human beings have taken to bad habit of thinking, as they try to answer questions which have, maybe, no answers, or no answer in their reach.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm, but why they are bad at the beginning?\r\n\r\n\r\n[GAP IN AUDIO]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: --prone to think.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: How does that belief come from? How did that belief exist at the beginning?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: Some feeling of superiority towards animals.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Are we talking in terms of human beings?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: Yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Opposed to animals?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: Yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, this question--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: Or human beings opposed to newborn.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, it seems that this question is supposed to--\r\n\r\n\r\n[GAP IN AUDIO]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: I didn't understand--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, it's not partic--\r\n\r\n\r\n[GAP IN AUDIO]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: --animals in some type of general understanding of it?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You think animals are more enlightened?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: Oh, yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You think so?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: Yes. [laughter] They just want to survive. They have no problems.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Okay, that's fine. That's- perfect, then.\r\n\r\n\r\n[GAP IN AUDIO]\r\n\r\n\r\n[laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: --by reflex.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Okay, but where did it come from?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: Nature. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\n[GAP IN AUDIO]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I mean, why there is individuality is animal?\r\n\r\n\r\n[GAP IN AUDIO]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: --animals exist, because it has a reflex of surviving, and not the opposite.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: They have the reflection? [sic]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: Of trying to survive.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: If they didn't have it, they wouldn't exist.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: But that seems to be struggle of its kind--\r\n\r\n\r\n[GAP IN AUDIO]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544#t=569.0,732.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544/transcript/84994/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 10]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: .--Doesn't it come back again [INAUDIBLE] like, maybe I'll just [INAUDIBLE] -- the \"why\" is simply the complexity of matter. Isn't it perhaps like, like along the lines of consciousness, simply--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes, well this is what we are trying to get at. We got to concern of the evolutionary process of physical existence, but psychologically evolutionary process--\r\n\r\n\r\n[GAP IN AUDIO]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: Well, it's also an evolutionary process.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It is, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: It's not just [INAUDIBLE]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Why should there be consciousness anyway?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: Why [INAUDIBLE]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544#t=732.0,765.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544/transcript/84994/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 11]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544#t=765.0,767.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544/transcript/84994/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER12: I read somewhere once that -- this is a hypothesis which I find very interesting -- is that, given space, or given the universe, the universe wanted to be able to know itself, see itself, have an awareness of itself, in some sense. And that's the reason consciousness [INAUDIBLE]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Universe has... what?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544#t=767.0,808.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544/transcript/84994/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER12: Well, it’s a really [INAUDIBLE] hypothesis which, I admit-- I get a feeling for when I first was introduced to it, and I can't really explain it, but somehow the universe... You can't say the universe has consciousness, but the universe strove, strove for some-- for no reason, but just *strove* to realize itself.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: To realize itself?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: Or to be aware of itself.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: And somehow intuitively that hypothesis feels better than any other one I've heard. But--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, that sounds also fishy equally. [laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544#t=808.0,850.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544/transcript/84994/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 12]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: How do you know [INAUDIBLE]? I don't share the premise of the question. I don't have a sense of there being this basic space. And we have no reason to believe there was, you know, or is, basically, an empty space. And so I have no reason to call this confusion in that to contrast this with some other state. This is all we know, and it seems quite arbitrary to contrast it with a state we have no reason to believe is existing.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, but then why we are here? How we--\r\n\r\n\r\n[GAP IN AUDIO]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: --because there is necessity to place some beginning point to what is happening continuously.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, something must've happened.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: [INAUDIBLE]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, you see, the point is something must've happened anyway. And how did that happen anyway?\r\n\r\n\r\n[GAP IN AUDIO]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's obvious, isn't it? Don't you think so?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544#t=850.0,935.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544/transcript/84994/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 13]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: I'm confused.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Oh, come on. [laughter] If you are you...\r\n\r\n\r\n[GAP IN AUDIO]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's question of young child asks. Why of--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: Isn't this a question of-- and-- I wonder if it's universal in all beings, or just that--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, exactly.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: That people-- that beings need to-- there's a yearning to prove their existence?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I'm not talking about yearning or anything at all, but *why* should be? It's nothing to do with yearning and nothing to do--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: Well, the question that you asked-- something asked the question why [INAUDIBLE]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, but why there's \"why\" then? [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: [INAUDIBLE] on the level of like man sees differences between night and day--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: -- and differences between his own physical body and everybody else's physical body.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I mean all the--\r\n\r\n\r\n[GAP IN AUDIO]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544#t=935.0,1048.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544/transcript/84994/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 14]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: --from the beginning, and then like you said then light, and then the darkness came. I don't know where the darkness came from. That said, but is that why we're here, to work out the darkness to get back to perfect beings? [laughter] Or why did the darkness come in the first place?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's what I'm asking, yeah. [laughter] Why dark?\r\n\r\n\r\n[GAP IN AUDIO]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: --darkness coming from? Or is it--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It's not question of really, \"Is darkness darkness?\", but is the rest of is light? How did that idea of light come from opposed to darkness?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: Well, if we were perfect beings, how did we lose sight of it? Or was it meant to be? That's what--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Nothing''s meant--\r\n\r\n\r\n[GAP IN AUDIO]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --but why?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544#t=1048.0,1104.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544/transcript/84994/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 15]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER17: Is it possible that a problem arose by accident?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It's possible, yeah. It's certainly possible.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER17: We somehow noticed that we caused something to happen at the beginning [INAUDIBLE]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think it's possible, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER16: [INAUDIBLE]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER18: Well, that begs the question though, doesn't it?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER18: Doesn't that beg the question? I mean, even if it's an accident, I mean, isn’t what you're asking is: what sort of accident?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Exactly, yeah. [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER18: Do you really believe that anyone has ever come up with an answer to that question?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I'm trying to find out from you. [laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544#t=1104.0,1154.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544/transcript/84994/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 16]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER19: It seems that confusion might be part of this basic perfection. That if you have basic perfection, it reflects itself by confusion. And that it's also part of it. Do-- so that basic perfection *involves* confusion by its very definition. You need confusion within basic perfection, and so--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER20: Only if you know what perfection is.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER19: Oh, see that's another question. [laughter] \r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER20: If you are basically perfect, you don't know what perfection is, and so you don't know what confusion is.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Confusion is, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER19: Well, we know we're involved between the two.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Right, we're getting somewhere now, it seems.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER19: Like, you can-- okay, like the lotus--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER19: --you said comes out of the mud. And it's pure. And it's like perfect in that sense that it comes out of the mud--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Opposed to mud, yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER19: --as opposed to mud.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER19: And so it's like perfection comes out of confusion. Or confusion comes out of perfection.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Perfection, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER19: And they're both perfect. In that sense, they're both perfection.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER19: So we have perfect confusion coming out of... [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's good. That's good.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER19: Maybe you have to re-- if you're confused, you have to reflect upon your perfection--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Exactly.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER19: --for the-- not for the answer, but for the root of your confusion.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER19: And if you're perfect--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's good, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER19: To be confused.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. That's splendid. [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER21: I get caught up in the duality.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: So the first-- or the second session we had--\r\n\r\n\r\n[GAP IN AUDIO]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544#t=1154.0,1288.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544/transcript/84994/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 17]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: --there's self-consciousness. What makes that first juncture? If you were perfect, why would you-- or, if there was perfection, why would you even-- why would you see that?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Why would you see that?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: Well, why would you not have seen it and then see it? What's like the thing that's the very first cause of change?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, that’s something very extremely, extremely fundamental.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: You seem to be asking us, right, this extremely fundamental question.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: And what you were saying again seems to beg the question.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. [laughter] Because whole point is that that open space--\r\n\r\n\r\n[GAP IN AUDIO]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER22: --that duality is basic. Know what I mean?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I wouldn't say duality is ba--\r\n\r\n\r\n[GAP IN AUDIO]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544#t=1288.0,1364.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544/transcript/84994/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 18]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER23: Isn’t that what yin and yang is all about? You need one half for the other half to be complete?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, a lot of things, yeah, this type. I guess, sure. You see the very idea word of Bud--\r\n\r\n\r\n[GAP IN AUDIO]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER24: --that is, perfection has no duality, is that [INAUDIBLE]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. Completely.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER24: And once the space is something more than space, it is confusion?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, you could say that, because then you begin to be self-conscious of its perfection, which could be said [UNCLEAR: travels?] by energy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544#t=1364.0,1407.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544/transcript/84994/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 19]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER24: You're not purporting to ask the question of why this space becomes something more than space, or are you?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: If you like, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER24: Okay, then let me ask the question. Why did space become something more than space?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Because it's never known confusion.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER24: Why did it want to learn confusion?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER24: Why did it want to learn confusion? Why did it want to be aware of itself?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, it’s completely perfect--\r\n\r\n\r\n[GAP IN AUDIO]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER24: --then where does the imperfection when something completely perfect that there is no imperfection.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: There will be, of course, there's a dichotomy. You measure yourself depends on that.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER24: But didn't you say originally there was no dichotomy?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Originally, there no dichotomy, yeah, sure. [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: Would you say, originally, you don't have any form in time--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: I mean, simultaneously.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Simultaneously, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: So what levels?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544#t=1407.0,1469.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544/transcript/84994/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 20]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes? Karl?\r\n\r\n\r\nUNCONFIRMED KARL: What were you going to say about energy?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, there is this energy which makes itself aware of itself. It's not a--\r\n\r\n\r\n[GAP IN AUDIO]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544#t=1469.0,1483.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544/transcript/84994/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 21]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER26: What does the idea of measure come from originally? Or even the basic idea itself?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Nowhere. Absolutely nowhere. That's the mystery, absolute mystery.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER26: So in other words, the perfection starts to exist from mystery?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: From mystery, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\n[GAP IN AUDIO]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544#t=1483.0,1515.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544/transcript/84994/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 22]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER27: Well, does that perfection have to go through confusion in order to understand its perfection?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: But that's why the word \"Buddha\" in itself come from--\r\n\r\n\r\n[GAP IN AUDIO]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544#t=1515.0,1543.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544/transcript/84994/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 23]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER28: [INAUDIBLE] okay, this is either going to straighten me out or finish me off. [laughter] Can one say that the space is the primordial thing from which everything comes out of, and so it must contain then, dichotomies that, well, that come out of it?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think so, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\n[GAP IN AUDIO]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544#t=1543.0,1575.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544/transcript/84994/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 24]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: --the whole questions seem so remote and metaphysical. Does it have an immediate real significance for one's own understanding [INAUDIBLE]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Sure. This journey takes place all the time--\r\n\r\n\r\n[GAP IN AUDIO]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544#t=1575.0,1594.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544/transcript/84994/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 25]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER19: --and this whole thing of sparking a chain reaction sounds very strange, since it's just going on all the time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544#t=1594.0,1600.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544/transcript/84994/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Because once it’s happened, then second time it's going to happen anyway. But once you unlearn, undo it, then one begin realize that this basic space doesn't need any energy of--\r\n\r\n\r\n[GAP IN AUDIO]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544#t=1600.0,1624.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544/transcript/84994/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 26]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER29: --it seems like the whole first question was as much concerned with the way we think-- was more concerned with the way we think than with, like, the nature of the universe or the nature of man. That we think dual-- in duality, and--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I would say nature of human being-- whole beings, rather than purely human beings, yeah. Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER29: And that maybe that’s why the first question is so hard to answer--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER29: --is because we're trying to answer it intellectually.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER29: Because we think dually, in dualities. If you think in dualities, and try to answer a question that implies no dualities--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER29: --then you're caught in a circle, because you can't do it.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER29: Which would mean the answer to the second question as well. [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER30: What was the second question?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER31: What about it?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER29: And we answer the problem of, \"Can the problem of ignorance be understood by purely intellectual understanding or is there something else?\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544#t=1624.0,1697.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544/transcript/84994/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 27]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER32: You once spoke -- I forget which session -- you spoke of balance as being something to strive for in life. 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Or during a civilization's existence.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER32: And if it gets too intense, it blows up.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER32: Or if the balance gets swung in the wrong direction, it blows up. Does this-- is there to strive for a balance, or is the awakened state pure perfection?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I wouldn’t say awakened state of pure perfection--\r\n\r\n\r\n[GAP IN AUDIO]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --we have all got the idea of the bala--\r\n\r\n\r\n[GAP IN AUDIO]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544#t=1717.0,1768.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544/transcript/84994/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 28]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER33: --I transcend. I don't know if this loses in translation or not. I'm not sure, too sure, what the word means. I've seen it our readings and in transcendental meditation. It-- I know what the dictionary definition is, to go under and beyond or something?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, \"go beyond.\"\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER33: But, doesn't it take on the connotation of \"including\" and \"beyond\"? Fully including, like if you transcend perfection that you included?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, you-- once you start a question, you already included that you're going beyond it. You see, you will be already on this side of the shore. And then--\r\n\r\n\r\n[GAP IN AUDIO]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER33: It's like incorporating that into how far you've gone?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: To start with, but-- and then once you get on the other side, you forget the whole thing. You see what I mean?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER33: Yeah, intellectually. [laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. Yeah? Who else? Someone?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544#t=1768.0,1835.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544/transcript/84994/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 29]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER34: Well, the problem of ignorance is different than the problem of not knowing who the governor of Kentucky is. And that kind of problem, the problem of not knowing who the governor of Kentucky is, can be solved through certain intellectual activities. But this kind of ignorance I think you're talking about is really a gut level, something that is fundamental. And therefore, this intellect which is like a balloon that has to be popped. And the problem of ignorance is, it's a different problem than the one that can be solved through an intellectual activity.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER34: It's at the gut level. And therefore, a pure intellectual activity trying to understand this ignorance and trying to break out of it just doesn't do the job.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. Mhmm. That's right, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544#t=1835.0,1916.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544/transcript/84994/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 30]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER34: How is ignorance a problem? I can see where intellectual activity can be a problem.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, it's simply ignoring what you are.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER34: Is that a problem?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Sure, it's a big problem. It could be a problem--\r\n\r\n\r\n[GAP IN AUDIO]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544#t=1916.0,1947.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544/transcript/84994/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 30]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER35: [INAUDIBLE] I've heard this thing about duality and duality. And to me, well, the way I would look at the same question -- and I wonder if you see what I mean, or doesn't seem too valid to you -- is every time... First of all, every time I say something, like I am now, I'm using a bunch of symbols. And as soon as you’re using a bunch of symbols, you are more or less, by definition, forgetting what you are. In other words, you're dealing with symbols. And if, well, like, someone comes up to me and asks me, \"What,\" you know, \"What are you?\" Well, my only justification has to be in terms of symbols, in terms of my thinking. My thinking is more or less the result of my language. And when I think about myself, in terms of thinking in the intellectual sense, I'm using symbols. And I end up in this terrible circle of symbols. And, whereas, there are nothing more than symbols. Everything's involved in symbols. And you completely lose track of what you're symbolizing. Does that bear on...?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, that seems to be similar thing to what we're talking about, intellectual.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER35: Yeah, right, exactly. But, I--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, that sounds alright. Yeah. Well, perhaps we should stop there and discuss that--\r\n\r\n\r\n[GAP IN AUDIO]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544#t=1947.0,2044.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544/transcript/84994/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 31]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER36: I have a question [INAUDIBLE] before we go. Is language-- is verbal communication -- things dealing with words -- is that-- isn't that by nature a duality? For instance, there's the phenomenon of touch, but as soon as you call it that, isn't that duality?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Not necessarily. It's the attitude towards language.\r\n\r\n\r\n[AUDIO CUTS OUT]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544#t=2044.0,2066.264"}]},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544/transcript/84995","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["19710218VCTR1-Captions [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544/transcript/84995/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"CTI SLATE: This is the Venerable\nChogyam Trungpa 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1971.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544#t=11.27,20.32"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544/transcript/84995/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This is a CTI custom\nremaster made August 2025.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544#t=20.32,28.52"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544/transcript/84995/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER1: [audio cuts in]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544#t=28.52,30.17"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544/transcript/84995/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"--other people think\nbecause man was given choice.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544#t=30.17,37.45"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544/transcript/84995/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so he could choose\nand, therefore,\nhe brought on his own confusion.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544#t=37.45,45.91"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544/transcript/84995/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Man was made\nwhat?\nWhat did you say?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544#t=45.91,49.49"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544/transcript/84995/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER1: That man was\ngiven 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Hmm?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544#t=70.64,71.84"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544/transcript/84995/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER2: He gives you reason.\nHe doesn't make you a machine.\nYou act out of your mind.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544#t=71.84,79.52"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544/transcript/84995/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: He doesn't\ngive you a 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Yeah?\nWho else? Someone?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544#t=1827.92,1832.61"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544/transcript/84995/annotation/493","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER34: Well, the problem\nof ignorance is different","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544#t=1835.29,1839.94"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544/transcript/84995/annotation/494","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"than the problem\nof not knowing who\nthe governor of Kentucky 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ignorance","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544#t=1905.19,1907.06"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544/transcript/84995/annotation/507","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and trying to break out of it\njust doesn't do the job.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544#t=1907.06,1910.79"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544/transcript/84995/annotation/508","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. Mhmm.\nThat's right, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544#t=1910.79,1916.35"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544/transcript/84995/annotation/509","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER34: How is\nignorance a problem?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544#t=1916.35,1919.89"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161695/file/293544/transcript/84995/annotation/510","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I can see where\nintellectual activity\ncan be a 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