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John J. Jepson, with moderator Duncan Campbell. Recorded for Open Secret radio program during Naropa Institute's first summer session in 1974. Wide-ranging remarks about definitions and experiences of meditation, discipline, mindfulness, and devotion. Common misconceptions about meditation also discussed, including goal-orientation. Topics also include aloneness; mingling meditation practice with daily life; the distinctions between prayer, meditation, and contemplation; and differences between religion and meditation. Description of devotion by Trungpa Rinpoche as experiencing a sense of joy -- not in the sense of avoiding pain but as a wholesomeness within oneself -- and experiencing complete solitude: \"there is a sense of spaciousness, at the same time a sense of austerity.\""]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication"]},"value":{"en":["UNPUBLISHED"]}},{"label":{"en":["Transcription Credits"]},"value":{"en":["Aug 16 2021 to Nov 27 2021 Transcribing: Ella Milligan Checking: Al SanValentin Final Proof: Ruth Veleta Other Contributors: Lynn Friedman, Warner Dick"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["© Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved. Not to be Distributed or Reproduced."]}},{"label":{"en":["Year"]},"value":{"en":["1974"]}}],"summary":{"en":["Panel discussion among four teachers at Naropa Institute, Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, Jakusho Kwong Sensei, Joseph Goldstein, and Rev. John J. Jepson, with moderator Duncan Campbell. Recorded for Open Secret radio program during Naropa Institute's first summer session in 1974. Wide-ranging remarks about definitions and experiences of meditation, discipline, mindfulness, and devotion. Common misconceptions about meditation also discussed, including goal-orientation. Topics also include aloneness; mingling meditation practice with daily life; the distinctions between prayer, meditation, and contemplation; and differences between religion and meditation. Description of devotion by Trungpa Rinpoche as experiencing a sense of joy -- not in the sense of avoiding pain but as a wholesomeness within oneself -- and experiencing complete solitude: \"there is a sense of spaciousness, at the same time a sense of austerity.\""]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["© Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved. Not to be Distributed or Reproduced."]}},"provider":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["Chogyam Trungpa Digital Library"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["Chogyam Trungpa Digital Library"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/209/original/cti-library-logo-blue-text.png?1672724952","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/167/126/small/thumbnail_167126_1663561507.jpg?1663561701","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76096/file/167126","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 1 - 19740815VCTR1-Video-Prod-CTIRmstrSD-Access.mp4"]},"duration":3845.09867,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/167/126/small/thumbnail_167126_1663561507.jpg?1663561701","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76096/file/167126/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76096/file/167126/content/1/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-cti.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/167/126/original/19740815VCTR1-Video-Prod-CTIRmstrSD-Access.mp4?1663560793","type":"Video","format":"video/mp4","duration":3845.09867,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76096/file/167126","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76096/file/167126/transcript/40393","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["19740815VCTR1-Transcript [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76096/file/167126/transcript/40393/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[19740815VCTR1 - Naropa Institute - Boulder - Open Secret  - On Meditation] \r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: Okay. [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76096/file/167126#t=0.0,35.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76096/file/167126/transcript/40393/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: INTRODUCTION]\r\n\r\n\r\nDUNCAN CAMPBELL: Welcome to Open Secret, a series of discussions that are being recorded in Boulder, Colorado, at Naropa Institute. Naropa Institute was founded by Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche in order to create an environment in which the academic and religious and artistic traditions of the East could meet in creative interaction with those of the West.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76096/file/167126#t=35.0,57.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76096/file/167126/transcript/40393/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tonight's discussion concerns meditation. And with us we have four people who have for many years been involved in the meditative traditions and who are all currently on the faculty at Naropa Institute.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76096/file/167126#t=57.0,71.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76096/file/167126/transcript/40393/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Beginning at my left with Joe Goldstein, Joe was in the Peace Corps in Thailand in 1965 and 1967, where he first became interested in Buddhism and began to practice somewhat while he was still in the Peace Corps. He returned to America briefly and went back to India, seeking a teacher in Buddhism, where he remained for a seven-year period with various visits back to the United States, studying in that period with two main teachers in the Burmese style of vipashyana meditation. Currently Joe is teaching a course at Naropa Institute on Essential Buddhism.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76096/file/167126#t=71.0,112.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76096/file/167126/transcript/40393/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"On his right is Kwong Sensei, who was born and raised in California and who studied with Suzuki Roshi at the Zen Center in San Francisco for fourteen years, and who has recently formed a Buddhist lay community in Sonoma County, California, which is an affiliate of Zen Center. He is also currently teaching in the Humanistic Psychology Department at Sonoma State University. He is the father of four boys and is currently at Naropa teaching a workshop in Zen meditation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76096/file/167126#t=112.0,147.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76096/file/167126/transcript/40393/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"On his right we have another Buddhist householder, Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, who is married and has been in the United States for the past four years, during which time he has founded a number of meditation centers: Tail of the Tiger in Vermont, Karma Dzong here in Boulder, and fifteen Dharmadhatus at various major cities around the country. He was trained in the two contemplative lineages of Tibetan Buddhism, the Kagyu lineage and the Nyingma lineage, and has studied meditation and practiced meditation since the age of nine. He was the abbot of the Surmang Monasteries in eastern Tibet before going to India and eventually to England, where he founded the Samye Ling meditation center, before coming to America. Recently he has founded Naropa Institute and also has published several books on meditation practice, notably MEDITATION IN ACTION and CUTTING THROUGH SPIRITUAL MATERIALISM.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76096/file/167126#t=147.0,214.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76096/file/167126/transcript/40393/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"On my right is Father Jake Jepson, who is currently with the Saint Thomas Aquinas Church in Boulder and who taught philosophy of science at Georgetown University, where he first became interested in Zen meditation through the works of Saint John of the Cross. He then went to Japan where he studied in the Rinzai tradition, and is currently teaching a workshop at Naropa on Enlightenment and the Bible.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76096/file/167126#t=214.0,242.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76096/file/167126/transcript/40393/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 1]\r\n\r\n\r\nDUNCAN CAMPBELL: My name is Duncan Campbell, and I think perhaps one interesting way to begin the discussion would be to pose the question as to whether or not there is any difference between meditation and introspection, in the sense that \"meditation,\" it seems to me, is the kind of word which is frequently used by people to describe time alone, in a sense, outside of normal activity -- whether you're hiking in the mountains or fishing, one could say, \"I was just in the mountains meditating.\" But is that really what we're talking about when we speak of meditation in terms of these traditions?\r\n\r\n\r\nJoe?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76096/file/167126#t=242.0,286.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76096/file/167126/transcript/40393/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"JOSEPH GOLDSTEIN: Sometimes I think people confuse the thinking process with meditation, dwelling upon a certain idea or thought and taking that to be the meditative process, whereas really meditation I think there's the development of a certain silent awareness, in which one is aware of all things going on, but without dwelling on them, observing the process of all things arising and passing away. And it's a silence of mind which is very much involved in the meditative process, as opposed to the possible understanding of introspection which would mean thinking about things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76096/file/167126#t=286.0,326.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76096/file/167126/transcript/40393/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DUNCAN CAMPBELL: It's more in the nature then of watching your own thoughts rather than actually trying to think through a personal problem or how you would rearrange your life.\r\n\r\n\r\nJOSEPH GOLDSTEIN: Right, right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76096/file/167126#t=326.0,335.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76096/file/167126/transcript/40393/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"JAKUSHO KWONG SENSEI: Yeah, in the sense of watching-- by watching your thoughts there's no judgment or value, so in one sense like, those-- this time in meditation is spent watching. Well actually the background of that, there's no watcher, but as the person who begins to meditate with his delusion, with his ego, developing this technique of watching, this bondage of thought or impulse has less affect on our daily life. When we're in the supermarket or home with our family, these thoughts when they come by, the bondage is-- or the power of the bondage is lessened. And eventually, like the background like in Zen meditation, \"shikantaza\", say you're with delusion or with ego, with our frailty, as we approach or sort of work *in* to meditation, the technique must go, so that there is no more watcher. \"Shikantaza\" means \"just sitting\", so there's not even a sitter, but just sitting, no more self, no more watching, no more technique. Just appearing of thought, disappearing. Maybe kind of misty [laughing] explanation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76096/file/167126#t=335.0,454.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76096/file/167126/transcript/40393/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 2]\r\n\r\n\r\nDUNCAN CAMPBELL: Well it sounds like in fact that it's working directly with the problem of motivation. That when someone would get into meditation with the expectation of somehow achieving some different state of consciousness, or working on their awareness to somehow achieve a very particular result, that that very state of mind is itself the problem, and that the notion of shikantaza and the notion of \"just sitting\" is to relax that impulse to achieve and change and reject and work over. Which then would raise the question as to what kind of discipline is involved in meditation. And it seems like a paradox -- that at some level you have to work on yourself, but in another sense working on yourself is itself the problem which you're dealing with.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76096/file/167126#t=454.0,511.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76096/file/167126/transcript/40393/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"JAKUSHO KWONG SENSEI: So like, you know, like maybe I'm drinking a glass of water, so if you say, \"I'm thirsty and I must drink some water to quench my thirst\" -- I don't know if this is such a good parallel but you know in that sense, then we drink water. We learned, Mommy or Daddy says, you know, \"Wash your face\" or \"Drink water, take care of yourself.\" So we learn. Before we already knew, then we learn, then we unlearn. So in a sense the idea or the self is not separated from a glass of water. So you just drink, not to quench thirst, but just drink. In that sense, you know... [laughs] what can you say to that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76096/file/167126#t=511.0,583.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76096/file/167126/transcript/40393/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"JOSEPH GOLDSTEIN: I think the discipline in meditation very much involves going from a place of effort to effortlessness, because our minds have been very conditioned to cling and to condemn, to thoughts or emotions or situations or people. So there's a certain deconditioning process from that clinging and condemning. As the factor of awareness and mindfulness becomes strong it becomes effortless. As proficiency in-- as proficiency in anything else, one is learning to practice the piano, one has to start very slowly and systematically. After a certain amount of practice, the playing itself becomes the practice and it's an effortless playing. And I think that's very much involved in the meditative discipline. It becomes effortless as the factors of awareness become cultivated and developed.\r\n\r\n\r\nDUNCAN CAMPBELL: Well what, Joe, for instance, do you mean by “mindfulness”?\r\n\r\n\r\nJOSEPH GOLDSTEIN: Mindfulness means being aware of what's happening, either the content or the process, without clinging, without condemning, without identifying it as being self. Just being aware of the unfolding of the mind-body process, without that judgment or reactiveness of mind.\r\n\r\n\r\nDUNCAN CAMPBELL: So in a sense one could describe meditation as an unlearning process, to unlearn the whole patterning--\r\n\r\n\r\nJOSEPH GOLDSTEIN: [INAUDIBLE] deconditioning.\r\n\r\n\r\nDUNCAN CAMPBELL: --forming process of judging and manipulating one's awareness.\r\n\r\n\r\nJOSEPH GOLDSTEIN: Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76096/file/167126#t=583.0,677.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76096/file/167126/transcript/40393/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 3]\r\n\r\n\r\nDUNCAN CAMPBELL: Well another thing that occurs I think a lot of the times when people think about meditation is that somehow it's connected with some notion of enlightenment, whatever that may be. And I know the Zen tradition speaks of the possibility of sudden enlightenment, as does the vajrayana tradition in tantric Buddhism in Tibet.\r\n\r\n\r\nJOSEPH GOLDSTEIN: As does the Theravada tradition in Burma and India.\r\n\r\n\r\nDUNCAN CAMPBELL: And in all of these traditions, what is the role--\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER JAKE JEPSON: The same thing happened [INAUDIBLE]\r\n\r\n\r\nDUNCAN CAMPBELL: --of meditation? Well what I'm saying is like is sudden enlightenment something that just happens to you, or is there some sort of foundation that seems has to be properly laid before that kind of experience can take place?\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER JAKE JEPSON: Both. [Laughs] In the sense-- I was thinking, while the discussion was going on, about fishing. In one sense it is true that the meditation is not like the man who says, \"I was meditating, you know, while fishing.\" But in another sense that it is also true if a man is fishing, as one would want to say unselfconsciously, selflessly, aware-edly, mindfully, so that meditation can-- we can speak of it as a technique, but also we can speak of meditation as contemplation itself, as an unfiltered awareness of what is. And you know, when you look at the mountains they're mountains, and when you look again they are not mountains, and when you look again they are mountains. So the meditation is both the technique and the contemplation. So what kind of groundwork has to be laid for it is the discipline, but the discipline itself is never the groundwork for the contemplation, but you dar n well better do it. [Laughs; laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nDUNCAN CAMPBELL: Well that's an interesting--\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER JAKE JEPSON: The paradoxicalness of it really shows-- I think really comes...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76096/file/167126#t=677.0,810.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76096/file/167126/transcript/40393/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 4]\r\n\r\n\r\nDUNCAN CAMPBELL: Well how would then for instance we would distinguish for instance meditation and prayer and contemplation? I mean, are they all the same thing, or is there something different about each one of those processes, as they're commonly understood? Is meditation analogous to prayer, for instance?\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER JAKE JEPSON: Prayer, I think you're-- let's assume for a minute that the word \"prayer\" arises in a Western Christian tradition, and prayer for the most part in the Western Christian tradition has to do with a prayer of petition, or even a prayer of worship of maybe an external God, an outside God. That-- and he gets outside I think, that God is outside because he becomes a function of our grammar, well not that he is outside, but at least we get deluded by our grammar and we put God out there someplace and then we pray to him, asking him for things or something like this. And then Christ says you know you don't ask the Father, don't babble and ask, because the Father knows what you need. And I don't think he's talking about the external Father.\r\n\r\n\r\nSo, in the sense of prayer in the Western tradition I think maybe it has been handled very clearly by -- and it gives us a handle I think for some sort of discussion of the Eastern notions of meditation -- very clearly by Saint John of the Cross, who talked about the purgative way, the undoing, the negative way, getting rid of the garbage way; then the illuminative way; and then unitive way. But it amounted also translated back to the purification of the senses, which posture can do very well. [Laughs] Sounds then--\r\n\r\n\r\nJOSEPH GOLDSTEIN: What do you mean by purification of the senses?\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER JAKE JEPSON: The quietness of the senses, the clarity of the senses.\r\n\r\n\r\nJOSEPH GOLDSTEIN: Of the mind, of the mind behind?\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER JAKE JEPSON: Okay. And then the clari-- then the purification of imagination and then the purification of intellect. And then the-- then is the prayer of quiet, which is-- which I think is analogous to, or the same as, or however we want to say that, is \"zazen.\" You know, it is the awareness of what is.\r\n\r\n\r\nDUNCAN CAMPBELL: Zazen being sitting meditation practice?\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER JAKE JEPSON: Being awareness of what is.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76096/file/167126#t=810.0,966.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76096/file/167126/transcript/40393/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 5]\r\n\r\n\r\nDUNCAN CAMPBELL: Well in the Buddhist tradition, they speak of the six senses, not only the five organ senses with which we're normally familiar but the mind itself, cognitive reasoning, as a sixth sense, and that meditation practice is a technique to develop the awareness of how all of those senses work together to create our sense of reality. And that by watching that process and becoming familiar with it, without value judgment, one develops a kind of gap in that kind of chain of thought processes which lead us from one action to another action. And so, I wonder in that sense whether... it's then clear that meditation is really not simply passively sitting, but it's sitting nonjudgmentally, but actually there's an active effort involved in sitting and watching, simply watching.\r\n\r\n\r\nJOSEPH GOLDSTEIN: I think the meditative mind very much combines the creative and receptive principles, in the sense that it's receptive in being totally accepting of everything that's happening without judgment and without comparison and without comment. It's creative in the sense of being very alert, very sharp, not hazy and not vague, but very, very actively attentive mind combined with a very receptive and open one. And it's that combination of creativity and receptivity which characterizes this kind of silent awareness. I think a lot of the meditative process is a balancing act, balancing all the qualities of mind so that the perception becomes clear.\r\n\r\n\r\nJAKUSHO KWONG SENSEI: You know like when we speak of awareness, just to go backwards, there is nothing to be aware of. You know in that-- or creativity or spontaneity. Suzuki Roshi used to say, \"As it is, just as it is.\" So, like in Buddhism, belief in nothingness, and from that, form or color. You know what I'm trying to say is that in meditation it's almost like doing nothing. You're not-- it's doing nothing.\r\n\r\n\r\nDUNCAN CAMPBELL: Which is itself, in terms of our normal consciousness, an effort, because we're always doing something and feel motivated to do something, so that doing nothing in itself becomes a challenge in some ways.\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER JAKE JEPSON: The effort--\r\n\r\n\r\nJAKUSHO KWONG SENSEI: It's okay. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER JAKE JEPSON: --I think--\r\n\r\n\r\nJAKUSHO KWONG SENSEI: Good challenge.\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER JAKE JEPSON: The effort though, I think the effort is not ours. You know it's not an ego effort.\r\n\r\n\r\nJAKUSHO KWONG SENSEI: Uh huh, right.\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER JAKE JEPSON: The effort is the effort of the whole universe anyway, you know. It's... the [speaking French] \"elan vital\", it's the flow, it's the providence, it's the... it's life.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76096/file/167126#t=966.0,1182.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76096/file/167126/transcript/40393/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 6]\r\n\r\n\r\nDUNCAN CAMPBELL: Well for instance what kind of problems would you see -- all of you who've been involved in teaching meditation practice and in studying in various traditions -- for someone who's come into meditation practice for the first time? What kinds of problems do you think might arise that the person would have to deal with in properly understanding what is meant by meditation?\r\n\r\n\r\nJOSEPH GOLDSTEIN: I think there's one very basic problem, not only in meditation but in living, and that is the very conditioned pattern of mind to identify with various parts of the mind-body process, taking it to be \"self\" or \"I\" or \"ego.\" And in meditation practice also, in the beginning, there's this tendency to identify with the effort or with the mindfulness or awareness, taking it to be some *one* who is doing all this. And that's a basic misconception of what's happening. The process is going on without any *one* behind it. And that's one of the difficulties in the beginning.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think lot of problems also comes up is supposedly the meditation technique should bring a state of calmness and tranquility, but in fact it works the opposite, that you-- when you begin to sit down, you begin to work on it--\r\n\r\n\r\nJAKUSHO KWONG SENSEI: [Laughs] Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --and all kinds of garbage begin to comes up. And sometimes people get very discouraged or completely bewildered that this particular trick didn't work. And somehow I think that's one of the problems that one have to face, that in fact it's not so much of sort of patchwork that we're trying to create, but it's a complete kind of cleaning out process. So in order to clean out you have to remove the dirt, so particularly beginner's level there's lot of problems like that comes up. But seem to be necessary that that's also could be regarded as signs of healthiness. That you are able to churn out, and able to see them through, and see them floating on the surface rather than still deep-rooted. And which brings a different kind of perspective on meditation in that way is that meditation is not so much of just purely quietening down, alone. But by using the technique of way of quietening down and simplifying everything, then you can able to have complete understanding of what you are, who you are, your state of being. And then one begin to realize that what you are made out of -- in fact there's enormous kind of discovery takes place. And sometimes we'll find it's not as peaceful as one expected, but there are a lot of turmoil takes place which is necessary, and otherwise we deceiving ourselves and you are somewhere else than actually meditating.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76096/file/167126#t=1182.0,1378.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76096/file/167126/transcript/40393/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 7]\r\n\r\n\r\nDUNCAN CAMPBELL: Well what would you think for instance about the Transcendental Meditation technique taught by Maharishi Mahesh which is very well known in America, and which seems to have been presented as a technique of meditating twenty minutes in the morning and twenty minutes in the evening to adjust your energy in such a way that you can be more efficient or more effective during the day. Do you think there's some sort of problem in looking at it in that way?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76096/file/167126#t=1378.0,1408.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76096/file/167126/transcript/40393/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I must say that the Maharishi Yogi has that very good job in terms of putting meditation practice into the picture of the geography -- at least at newspaper headlines and in the public consciousness -- that such thing does exist, which is a very good way of beginning the whole thing. But if we look at closely there's some problems might be involved. That is, still, it's like a conventional Christian society that exist in the Western world, which is just purely going to church on Sunday, and rest of the day is just worldly day, and only holy day is on Sunday, Sunday morning, maybe. And that kind of problem has setup. And in this case it's more frequent than just Sunday but it's morning and evening, there's sacred hours of twenty minutes of sacredness and twenty minutes of sacredness at the beginning and end of the day. Which is maybe frequent enough in some sense, but there's still one of the problems is that there is a sacred and profane notion is still exist, that meditation can't integrate with the rest of life properly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76096/file/167126#t=1408.0,1492.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76096/file/167126/transcript/40393/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In the Buddhist tradition it speaks of terms of awareness and mindfulness, which is not only one does when you sit on meditation cushion alone, but you do it that on everyday life, all the time. When you eat, when you sleep, when you work, that the relationship with the world bounces back on you as a reminder, constantly. So there is awareness takes place all the time, so you are not only meditating for given time as such but you are meditating for twenty-four hours, or even try-- at least trying to do that. So that the person doesn't find dissatisfaction and person have to run away from home and be in Himalayas or something like that particularly. But from the level of working in the factory and dealing with the bolts and nuts, putting things together, up to level of being a politician or president, you know, there's a long range of all kinds of activities involved. And all of those activities are relevant activities, although in itself meaningless maybe in some sense that you are just part of a machine, and in order to construct transistor radio you might need 500 people's energy to put that machine together. In that sense you are insignificant to society, but if you look at from meditatively that you are very significant. That those activities could be worked on a very constructive basis, that there is working relationships involved -- whether you are dealing with the people or whether dealing with things -- that there is relationship takes place constantly, which is source of awareness.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76096/file/167126#t=1492.0,1597.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76096/file/167126/transcript/40393/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And awareness here is just open gap. It's sort of joke. That you are there, but at the same time you are not there. And that kind of creating a space, so that the ordinary flow of neurosis that takes place in our life could be discontinued, so that kind of continuity is interrupted as much as you can. So, hopefully there's no further continuing that problem. And that seem to be the basic point is, I think mingling with life situation with the practice of meditation is seem to be the main point of meditation, whether it is Eastern tradition or Western tradition or Christianity or Buddhism, whatever, that the... sense of awareness of present, something is actually happening, that there is mysterious, meaningful life somewhere, that it is worthwhile to watch and look at. And if you ask, \"What is that?\" it probably, you know, is nothing, just a gap, but still it's worthwhile that somehow that this seem to be the source that we lost the point right at the beginning, that we got the wrong end of the stick, and now we holding on the right end of the stick, if you like to call it that way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76096/file/167126#t=1597.0,1690.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76096/file/167126/transcript/40393/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 8]\r\n\r\n\r\nDUNCAN CAMPBELL: Well it does seem to take place a lot in life that, you know, there are times when you feel really fully sort of alive and right there, and whatever you're doing is very energetic, and other times when you're very depressed and it seems very blocked. And in this sense it sounds like meditation is very psychological, in the sense that psychiatry attempts to work on those problems of neurosis or those habitual patterns of sort of dead-end experience by working them over very self-consciously and analytically and trying to figure out where exactly things went wrong. But meditation seems to be about the same enterprise, in the sense that by creating that gap in the compulsive continuity of thought process which creates those neurotic patterns, you're weakening the effect of it and creating a greater spaciousness to participate fully and directly and in your day-to-day experience.\r\n\r\n\r\nJOSEPH GOLDSTEIN: I think it's not so much a problem of solving problems as letting go of them. And if one has the state of mind of letting go, then all problems are solved, if we don't hold onto them, if we don't cling to them. I think that's some basic difference between the psychoanalytic approach to neuroses and emotional problems, as opposed to the meditative approach, which is not trying to figure them out, or to solve them, or to get to their causes, but to be aware of them, to experience them fully, and to let go of them.\r\n\r\n\r\nDUNCAN CAMPBELL: Well in a way what it seems to me is it’s like a perspective which allows you to see a situation which feels stuck and problematic, as a situation which is actually workable. I mean there's just that little shift in perspective and the situation becomes workable, and because you're in it already, and just that slight adjustment allows you to participate more fully in it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76096/file/167126#t=1690.0,1813.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76096/file/167126/transcript/40393/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 9]\r\n\r\n\r\nDUNCAN CAMPBELL: But it also seems that there's another question, which in a sense goes beyond speaking of meditation in strictly psychological terms, which would be the role of devotion. To what extent does some notion of devotion, however we might understand it, play a role in meditation?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well it seem that I think there is several types of devotion. Is person feels that he is wretched, and unresourceful, and trying to connect up with something better than himself or herself. And therefore that person finds kind of positivity of trust of something that he could associate himself with, which gives kind of hope and promise. And then there's another kind of devotion, is some kind of sense of joy and sense of healthiness that exist within oneself; that you begin to view everything as sacred, sacred in the-- not in the sense of solemn and holy in the popular sense, but sacred in the sense that whatever you come across has a touch of healthiness and a touch of completeness in everything. Like particular like awareness we are talking about, or such situations like the hesychast practices of Christianity that you have the Jesus prayer, which is a constant repetition of a prayer, but at the same time that incantation becomes just a reminder of that wholesomeness and healthiness. And there is a kind of constant kind of joy, in the very positive sense, and not joy in the sense of trying to evading pain, anything like that, but that's-- there is a kind of very definite situation takes place. And maybe this particular practice is not really religious as such -- it could be said is a spiritual practice, I suppose -- but I think it's possible that whether somebody believes in a particular religious dogma or not, it's possible to experience the sacredness and the wholesomeness, that is always possible, and that seem to be the basis of the whole thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76096/file/167126#t=1813.0,2014.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76096/file/167126/transcript/40393/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 10]\r\n\r\n\r\nDUNCAN CAMPBELL: It does seem that one of the traditional problems, in terms of looking upon this in terms of spirituality, is that there sometimes is an association of spirituality versus worldliness, so that meditation practice might be seen as a way of achieving some state of consciousness which is somehow sort of airy and removed from and superior to ordinary awareness. And yet in the meditation traditions in which you've all taken part, the message seems to be quite the contrary, that in fact one is trying to bring one's own mind into kind of ordinary awareness, where you fully participate in day-to-day activity, realizing the kind of aliveness of the world as it is, rather than trying to escape it or lay a trip on it in some way.\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER JAKE JEPSON: I read something very interesting. Dogen -- who is thirteenth-century Zen master that brought the tradition from China to Eihei-ji monastery in Japan -- was asked the question, and it's in the Bendowa that was just translated; Chino Sensei gave me this translation. And the question is asked of Dogen, \"How can we bring meditation into daily life?\" You know, how can we bring \"satori\" or enlightenment into daily life, and he says, \"Well, if you look at the question, it is *that* enlightenment *is* daily life.\" And the daily life that we are used to talking about is precisely the illusionary life, that's *not* the daily life, you know. So the question begins to disappear.\r\n\r\n\r\nAnd in the same centuries in the Western tradition, you have a very peculiar thing happening and it's the same thing, and it's called [speaking Latin] \"age quod agis\" -- \"do what you do\", you know. And the theologians of the time were talking about purity of intention, and the purity of intention was not one's ego intention or one's ego, it is a contemplative intention which is a selfless intention, it's the intention of charity which is selflessness. Which I think is akin to you know Buddhist compassion, which is a selfless kind of love.\r\n\r\n\r\nAnd then also a very, I think a beautiful thing, understood maybe within the contemplative meditative experience of-- in Christianity, is why did all these guys go to the desert, you know. Well from a very moralistic viewpoint they went to the desert because the world was no good. They were escaping into some purity where they wanted to live, or they went to the desert to come into contact with what is. You know, and the desert has always been I think the-- at least it is the biblical image of coming to grips with oneself, you know. The Bible says, \"We are not in a garden, folks.\" [Laughter; laughs] I mean if you're going to pull that garden stuff, you're going to blow it. We're in the desert, and the desert -- Christ begins in the desert, the Jews are in the desert, the whole desert experience is a magnificent sort of thing. And is a magnificent image, whether these people are ever in the desert or not doesn't make any difference, just the imagery in it. I think it's kind of tantric imagery. [Laughs] You know, that this is *how* we can understand ourselves. And in the desert -- and I think we've all been in the desert -- you don't have any psychological problems, you don't sit down and say, \"Listen, I've got this problem.\" You're looking for water, [laughs] you know. You're getting out of the sun, [laughs] you know. What *is* is your world and not what is fabricated out of your thinking, that's what's neat about it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76096/file/167126#t=2014.0,2268.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76096/file/167126/transcript/40393/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DUNCAN CAMPBELL: There seems to have some sense of aloneness.\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER JAKE JEPSON: But--\r\n\r\n\r\nDUNCAN CAMPBELL: Very positive sense of aloneness.\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER JAKE JEPSON: But it's not a psychological aloneness, which it might be called \"loneliness\" or something you know.\r\n\r\n\r\nDUNCAN CAMPBELL: No I mean aloneness as opposed to loneliness.\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER JAKE JEPSON: Okay, yeah it's-- okay, something like that, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76096/file/167126#t=2268.0,2286.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76096/file/167126/transcript/40393/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"JOSEPH GOLDSTEIN: There's an interesting Zen story which sort of illustrates the integration of the desert experience, what that means for people living in the world. There was some Zen master who said that \"when you walk, walk, and when you run, run, above all don't wobble.\" Mostly we're wobbling a lot, not being totally with what's happening, totally with what we're doing, and learning to be *completely* in the present moment, totally open and alive to what's happening, I think is very much the integration of this kind of awareness into our living experience. But it's hard not to wobble.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76096/file/167126#t=2286.0,2327.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76096/file/167126/transcript/40393/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FATHER JAKE JEPSON: There's a-- if I could just then we've all heard it, and it's for my own benefit too I guess then, but the story, the Zen story of the man who is being chased by a tiger. And there's-- he comes to a precipice, and it's fogged in and he can't see, so he decides to jump is better than the tiger. He jumps and his coat gets caught on a branch, and then the fog clears and there's a tiger above, still, and there's now a tiger below. And he looks and two mice come out of the earth and start chewing away and gnawing away at the branch that he's hanging on. What else is new, right? [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nJOSEPH GOLDSTEIN: [Laughing] Yeah, right. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER JAKE JEPSON: This is life. [Laughter] And-- but then he sees growing in the cranny a strawberry bush and a big red strawberry, and he picks the strawberry, and he says, \"How sweet it is!\" [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nJOSEPH GOLDSTEIN: [Laughing] Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER JAKE JEPSON: And that's enlightenment, [laughter] or whatever.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76096/file/167126#t=2327.0,2398.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76096/file/167126/transcript/40393/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 11]\r\n\r\n\r\nDUNCAN CAMPBELL: What do you think for instance about the American situation at this point in terms of the interest that been's generated in meditation, which has come from Eastern traditions, for the most part? What does that represent in terms of people's response to their own Christian tradition or people's response to their exposure to all sorts of different psychological traditions for that matter -- Freud or recently sensory awareness -- or what is it about, that people are becoming interested in meditation?\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER JAKE JEPSON: I would-- I'd just like to offer this, I think Rinpoche has the words \"spiritual materialism\" and I think that's the-- that's a neat handle on this whole thing. I think that Americans are so tired of material materialism that we are going to a spiritual materialism, and I'm not somebody who may say there's a great surge of religion, well I don't think so; I think it is a shift from material materialism to the spiritual materialism.\r\n\r\n\r\nDUNCAN CAMPBELL: You mean people still want to get something.\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER JAKE JEPSON: I think we're tripping on that--\r\n\r\n\r\nDUNCAN CAMPBELL: Get some sort of security.\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER JAKE JEPSON: We're tripping on meditation, and we're-- we find a pleasure, we're looking for that [UNCLEAR: piece? peace?] that is pleasure. And we're not looking for the awareness of life, and it's pain and it's pleasure and it's birth and it's death and it's eating and sleeping and...\r\n\r\n\r\nJOSEPH GOLDSTEIN: I think that there's something much beyond that also though. I think that at this time there's a really sincere and deeply committed interest in the meditation as just a way of understanding oneself, not on the spiritual materialistic plane, but a real sincerity at trying to grip-- come to grips with one's own problems and to understand, you know, one's mind.\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER JAKE JEPSON: I hope so.\r\n\r\n\r\nJOSEPH GOLDSTEIN: Can tell from the response of students here at Naropa and in the classes, there's just a tremendous interest and sincerity in really finding out what things are all about.\r\n\r\n\r\nJAKUSHO KWONG SENSEI: I think if we didn't feel encouraged we wouldn't be here. [Laughs; laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nDUNCAN CAMPBELL: Perhaps if we didn't feel *discouraged*. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER JAKE JEPSON: It may be that encouragement or discouragement has nothing to do with it. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76096/file/167126#t=2398.0,2541.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76096/file/167126/transcript/40393/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 12]\r\n\r\n\r\nDUNCAN CAMPBELL: Well one thing I wanted to ask you about, Jake in particular, was the rise of Pentecostalism in America. I mean, the kind of interest in a different state of awareness, of somehow linking with \"the spirit\", whatever that may mean, as perhaps a way of getting beyond this material materialism -- you know, the dissatisfaction of two cars in the garage or the house in the suburbs and somehow that's not enough. Do you think that's what it's about, or what-- ?\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER JAKE JEPSON: Well, to deal with the abstractions or the generalities, I would think that an awful lot of Pentecostalism is tripping on our own feelings, you know. I go -- Augustine mentions this in his CONFESSIONS -- you know, I go to a play, and I see Oedipus clawing his eyes out, and he's just killed his father and married his mother and found out all of this tragic business, and I feel so much for Oedipus. I think, \"God, I know, oh wow, you know I just know how he feels,\" you know. And somehow this makes me a neat person, that I have all these wonderful feelings about the starving people in Biafra, you know, or about the poverty in India or in Africa, and somehow this makes me a neat person that I am concerned. But Augustine has to push it a step farther and say, \"No, it is not that kind of concern that we're interested in. What do you do for pitiful man -- you don't feel his pity, you be moved because of pity in his life,\" you know. And Pentecostalism a lot of times appears to me as tripping again on my own feelings. It is *again* an attempt to prove to myself that I am a religious person or prove to myself that I believe in God, or prove to myself that I am a Christian or a Buddhist. [Laughing] You know, and it’s-- it could very well be generally a spiritual materialism, but I mean I don't know, I-- you know that-- I mean that as an innocuous sort of statement, because John Smith, who is John Smith? I don't know. [Laughs; laughter] You know, who are you? What are you doing, and what's Rinpoche doing here, you know? I don't know. [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76096/file/167126#t=2541.0,2696.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76096/file/167126/transcript/40393/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 13]\r\n\r\n\r\nDUNCAN CAMPBELL: Well, we talked in the discussion about, you know, the notion of religion or spirituality. What would you say is the distinction, if any, between religion and meditation, in terms of how people normally understand the word \"religion\"? Is there... ?\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER JAKE JEPSON: I think-- if I could talk about my own church now, the Catholic Church is exceptional example of this. I think there's something neat about the church in that it makes all of the mistakes that we usually see, you know, and can analyze. And the church is a lot like the Pharisees that Christ was talking to, the men of the law -- they're good men, they do what they're supposed to, they're rational, they follow the dictates of discursive reasoning very well, they do things very logically. They're able to justify practically everything that they do. But then *is there* the mystical, is there the contemplative, is there the-- I guess you have to call a level of enlightenment, it might be called religion. You know, what is this place that Jesus is coming from is religion? You know, that \"no place\", [laughs] that emptiness, that charity, that love, you know, that is *not* the place of the Pharisees that he's talking to. So I think in the Catholic Church, in organized religion, there is this huge tendency to be-- to remain in that pharisaical level. I don't mean that in a moralistic sense now, I mean just one who is attached to his reasoning and who is attached to needing justification for what he does.\r\n\r\n\r\nJOSEPH GOLDSTEIN: I think very much involved with that is in traditional understanding of religion there's a whole set of beliefs and dogmas and rituals which become part of a religion, and in fact have nothing to do with meditative process at all. One need not believe anything; in fact it's probably more helpful if one suspends one's belief, right, so that one can actually see what is happening.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76096/file/167126#t=2696.0,2838.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76096/file/167126/transcript/40393/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 14]\r\n\r\n\r\nDUNCAN CAMPBELL: Well then what is the role of devotion? I mean devotion seems to involve some measure of belief of some kind. It may not be *blind* faith, it may be intuitive faith based on some kind of experience, but what are we talking about when we're talking about devotion then?\r\n\r\n\r\nJOSEPH GOLDSTEIN: Devotion is an interesting space of mind because it's an open space, that it can make the mind very open and receptive, and in that place one can then apply a very penetrating awareness. By itself I don't think devotion is sufficient. It merely opens the mind up, and in that openness a very deep understanding can develop. So it's a space of mind to be used, rather to be wallowed in.\r\n\r\n\r\nDUNCAN CAMPBELL: Well I think one of the kinds of interpretations that usually takes place is that devotion is somehow emotional or intuitive or mystical in some way, as opposed to intellect or discursive reasoning. But it seems that what we're talking about, for instance in the Kagyu lineage in Tibet, is some sort of fusion and balance between intellect and intuition. That even though the Kagyu lineage is described as the devotion lineage, we don't mean by that a kind of emotionality but something more complete.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76096/file/167126#t=2838.0,2937.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76096/file/167126/transcript/40393/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think the notion of sort of love of simplicity and love of austerity, because you have been very complicated so far and that brought nothing but frustrations and pain, or maybe some afflictions of some gaps of pleasure at the same time, but there is so much things went through our life. And then finally that there is discovery of a place in your life that could be kind of eternal solitary-- solitude, that you could be for once and for all alone. And that has a lot of things to do with the devotion, in the Kagyu tradition anyway. That the almost romantic notion of the simplicity, and which is connected with awareness, and connected with meditation, that there is a sense of spaciousness and sense of directness, sense of uncomplicated -- one doesn't have to try to even sort out problems, but seeing problems as they are, and they become very simple.\r\n\r\n\r\nAnd that-- I mean obviously there is some sense of that you owe a debt to somebody who had thought up right at the beginning, who practiced and handed down that system to generations of generations. You obviously feel appreciative to those people who done good work for you, but at the same time that what you got is so personal, so real, and uncomplicated in that kind of-- I don't think that's a particularly religious one but that's just very human. And almost you could say that's very precious to you, that you found final place to be alone, and that there is *plenty* of aloneness, you know, you are not just being once alone and then you go out, but there is the fluctuations of aloneness begin to come through, which is called \"richness\" or \"inspiration.\" But still, these richness and inspiration doesn't become complicated, but still remains alone. It's sort of a cool mountain stream is constantly there. It's-- if you try to jump out of it, it's very complicated and haunting, and you come back to it you find that there is still room for you, but at the same time that not knowing who *you* are because even that complication is gone. So somehow there is a sense of spaciousness, at the same time a sense of austerity.\r\n\r\n\r\nJAKUSHO KWONG SENSEI: It seems like it would be impossible to jump out of.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, you be pushed back, each time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76096/file/167126#t=2937.0,3142.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76096/file/167126/transcript/40393/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 15]\r\n\r\n\r\nDUNCAN CAMPBELL: That might have something to do with the-- that problem of motivation, meditation, that when you start to meditate perhaps you're looking to achieve some kind of higher awareness, in quotation marks, which would be like jumping out of the stream, and yet you get pushed back through the force of your own experience, again and again. 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You know, that sense that you cannot-- you have to answer -- whether you're the electrician or the plumber or the postman -- we all have to answer that kind of question, you know. Somehow with the practice of meditation-- you know, every time we talk about meditation I feel like a super salesman. [Laughter; laughs] It, you know, it does work. 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And I think sometimes people, especially in America, confuse these two different techniques or paths of meditation.\r\n\r\n\r\nDUNCAN CAMPBELL: So that it sounds like that in one sense to, for instance meditate on a candle flame or to meditate on a chakra in your body, could achieve some sort of force, some sort of awareness, which would be different than the kind of sense of spaciousness from the vipashyana style with which you're familiar.\r\n\r\n\r\nJOSEPH GOLDSTEIN: It makes the mind very powerful, in fact all the psychic powers that people read about, all the great gurus, those powers are real and they can come from a state of very strong concentration and one-pointedness. But I don't think power should be confused with wisdom -- they're two very different states of mind.\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER JAKE JEPSON: Science and art. 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Thank you very much.\r\n\r\n\r\nJAKUSHO KWONG SENSEI: Thank you. \r\n\r\n\r\n[TRUNGPA RINPOCHE waves; DUNCAN CAMPBELL waves; laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76096/file/167126#t=3602.0,3648.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76096/file/167126/transcript/40393/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: POST-INTERVIEW CHATTER]\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER JAKE JEPSON: [Turning to Trungpa Rinpoche] Have you been to Walsenburg? [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nDUNCAN CAMPBELL: He didn't get lost? [INAUDIBLE]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Duncan...\r\n\r\n\r\nJOSEPH GOLDSTEIN: Is it all right, or do we have to do it again?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: No, this is just a little reaction shot period.\r\n\r\n\r\nDUNCAN CAMPBELL: Oh, we just continue talking, you mean?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: Oh, don't talk.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: One person at a time can talk.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: Yeah, one person can talk, but for a long time. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nDUNCAN CAMPBELL: What is it about Walsenburg [laughter] that fascinates you so much?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Say funny things. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Whoops.\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER JAKE JEPSON: This is funny, because people always ask you, when you're going to talk or do something, they say, \"And where,\" you know, and you know, \"list where you have traveled.\" That's the thing today, you know, to have traveled. So I was thinking, [laughs] and I did once, you know, put down, \"I've been to Walsenburg.\" [Laughter; laughs] That's the game you're going to play, [INAUDIBLE] the game we will play.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Do they ask where that is?\r\n\r\n\r\nFATHER JAKE JEPSON: Some are embarrassed because they think it's some place in [INAUDIBLE]. [Laughter] And the others that know Walsenburg, know that they're-- it's a rip-off. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nDUNCAN CAMPBELL: You've been to the Atomic Bar?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I haven't made it to the Atomic Bar.\r\n\r\n\r\nDUNCAN CAMPBELL: Oh, you haven't been to the Atomic Bar.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No, just passed through, yeah. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nJOSEPH GOLDSTEIN: Have you ever staged a kind of dharma debate which the Tibetans are well-known for?\r\n\r\n\r\nDUNCAN CAMPBELL: The Tibetans are what?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well-known.\r\n\r\n\r\nJOSEPH GOLDSTEIN: Well-known for.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You mean this country?\r\n\r\n\r\nJOSEPH GOLDSTEIN: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No.\r\n\r\n\r\nJOSEPH GOLDSTEIN: I think that kind of discussion would really-- a very powerful, rapid-fire, putting the dharma on the line.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nJOSEPH GOLDSTEIN: You know, putting your understanding of it right on the line.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. [INAUDIBLE]\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76096/file/167126#t=3648.0,3845.09867"}]},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76096/file/167126/transcript/40394","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["19740815VCTR1-Captions [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76096/file/167126/transcript/40394/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER1: Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76096/file/167126#t=20.78,30.286"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76096/file/167126/transcript/40394/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76096/file/167126#t=30.286,35.15"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76096/file/167126/transcript/40394/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DUNCAN CAMPBELL:\nWelcome to Open 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