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Emphasizes applying these principles to our daily lives, as well as in death. Main point is to truly understand death so we can take our life seriously. Describes emotions, occupations, even spiritual pursuits as geared toward avoiding death, but development on path impossible without understanding of death. Hinayana principles are seeing imprisonment, preciousness of life; mahayana as experiencing shunyata, but comes as shock if no understanding of death; in vajrayana, experience of nonduality, becoming one with death in dharmakaya, as “primordial fortress”: everything becomes workable in life and the bardo. True understanding of continuity. In Q\u0026amp;A, audience members ask insightful, well thought-out questions that further clarify content of talk: about becoming one with death, rebirth, egolessness.\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication"]},"value":{"en":["UNPUBLISHED"]}},{"label":{"en":["Transcription Credits"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eDec 14 2018 to Dec 10 2023 Transcribing: Daniel Nguyen Checking: Travis May Final Proof: Travis May, Anne Seidlitz Terminology Review: Matilda Perks Other Contributors: Lynn Friedman, Warner Dick\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003e© Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Year"]},"value":{"en":["1973"]}}],"summary":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eDistills content of entire seminar while adding new perspectives on main topics -- death and the bardo in the three yanas. Emphasizes applying these principles to our daily lives, as well as in death. Main point is to truly understand death so we can take our life seriously. Describes emotions, occupations, even spiritual pursuits as geared toward avoiding death, but development on path impossible without understanding of death. Hinayana principles are seeing imprisonment, preciousness of life; mahayana as experiencing shunyata, but comes as shock if no understanding of death; in vajrayana, experience of nonduality, becoming one with death in dharmakaya, as \u0026ldquo;primordial fortress\u0026rdquo;: everything becomes workable in life and the bardo. True understanding of continuity. In Q\u0026amp;A, audience members ask insightful, well thought-out questions that further clarify content of talk: about becoming one with death, rebirth, egolessness.\u003c/p\u003e"]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003e\u0026copy; Diana J. 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Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]\r\n\r\n\r\nCTI SLATE: This is the Venerable Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, public seminar entitled Tibetan Book of the Dead II, given at the Rocky Mountain Dharma Center, in Red Feather Lakes, Colorado. This is Talk 8, given on July 12th, 1973. This is a CTI Auto Remaster made November 2023.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115879/file/219758#t=0.0,37.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115879/file/219758/transcript/62593/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: MAIN TALK]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: As the experience of death, and the bardo, and its fundamental meaning that we have gone through, maybe we should go through the basic pattern that had developed through the seminar. Sort of summary the whole thing might be helpful. So that it doesn’t become purely theoretical but there’s some application to practice and life, general.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115879/file/219758#t=37.0,83.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115879/file/219758/transcript/62593/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That one of the basic message, understanding the meaning of bardo and the meaning of death is that, is that somewhat taking life seriously. In spite of all the fantasies and dreams and emotions of all kinds, interrupt our continuity of relating with that life. But in spite of that, still, in other word the one of the -- almost we could say, the remedy of relating life as a complete one and something very definite one -- the remedy or the help is to understand meaning of death. Unless we understand meaning of death that there will be no further development.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115879/file/219758#t=83.0,175.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115879/file/219758/transcript/62593/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"From the hinayanist level that if we don’t understand meaning of death and the meaning of ego and egolessness, that we are unable to *start* on the path. The spiritual disciplines talks about renunciation as being important. But renunciation means to realize the imprisonment. Realizing the imprisonment, then one feels that you want to renounce such trap, and step out of it. And in order to realize the meaning of imprisonment, that one has to understand that we have gone through erroneous belief of ego, in the ego, and also, ego’s eternity.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115879/file/219758#t=175.0,257.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115879/file/219758/transcript/62593/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And begin to realize that the working base. And also to realize the working base of human life and situation that given to us are extremely precious one. And all this could be understood only if we have able to relate with the meaning of death and if we could take death seriously. And you might say that don’t we take death seriously? In the conventional sense that we talk about fear of death and trying to prevent our death. All kinds of technological, even philosophical, religious reinforcement to try and shield off the experience of death. But it seems that such attempt to avoid death is not really taking death seriously. And in fact one of the things that we trying to occupy ourselves as if death never exist.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115879/file/219758#t=257.0,329.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115879/file/219758/transcript/62593/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And all kinds of attempt be made back towards that direction, rather than to see death as something that unavoidable. No technological development, or mystical power, or philosophical ideals, cannot prevent death. And that has been the problem, in fact. In fact we could say that the development of spiritual materialism is the based on trying to avoid death rather than taking death seriously. So understanding death it becomes extremely important. Not understanding but to see the facts of death, that death continues constantly. That particular approach is very important as basic ground.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115879/file/219758#t=329.0,405.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115879/file/219758/transcript/62593/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In the mahayana’s level of understanding death has become more of a meditative experience. Meditative experience in the sense that the realization of shunyata, and totally without any ground. The shunyata experience, \"shunyata\" means \"emptiness,\" \"voidness.\" And that experience becomes so revealing and penetrating, and that sudden shock of realization of no ground, no personality, no being, nothing to hang onto is the experience of enlightened mind.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115879/file/219758#t=405.0,476.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115879/file/219758/transcript/62593/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"As we be talking about, the understanding of shunyata is all these terrifying aspect. Is because that depends on how much we-- how we hang onto the idea of without death, or idea of not awareness, not being aware of death. And when there is no awareness of the death, then that much you away from understanding of shunyata, and also that much sudden shock you get. Because they are-- there’s a thicker skin to cut through, which needs more force.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115879/file/219758#t=476.0,527.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115879/file/219758/transcript/62593/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In the level of vajrayanist, that understanding of death, and meditative state of death, is much *more so* than the hinayana, or the mahayana. That in the vajrayana state teaching that understanding death becomes not only emptiness or absence of ego alone but becomes very colorful one. The realization of nonduality or whatever, brings the *ultimate* experience in which that we cannot dwell on, therefore we can dwell everywhere. That kind of paradoxical discovery is extraordinary powerful. And consequently, result of that is that we are also able to handle our bardo experience in the day-to-day living situation all. Or particularly after-death experience of bardo, whatever, that we are able handle our experiences, able to handle our deceptions, or fear, whatever we come up with, is because that there’s a profound understanding of death, is understanding of maha ati state.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115879/file/219758#t=527.0,634.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115879/file/219758/transcript/62593/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Finally, you don’t *understand* death, particularly in the vajrayana level. That you are *one* with the death. Even notion of death itself had to be die. And such experience is called \"dharmakaya\" experience. \"Dharmakaya\" is \"body of truth.\" Sense of-- without death we could say there’s no manifestation, and without death there’s no energy, no colors. So death goes as far as that. And in fact in the vajrayana teachings, the death is referred-- understanding death or understanding the-- or not even understanding, but absorbed into the meaning of death completely is referred as the \"primordial fortress\". The Tibetan term for that is \"do-me seng sa\". \"Do-ma\" means \"primordial.\" \"Seng sa\" is \"well-guarded place.\" Place that is be well-guarded. Fortress.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115879/file/219758#t=634.0,756.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115879/file/219758/transcript/62593/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So in a sense that, at the end, the vajrayana’s approach to death becomes, in fact you get opposite result. That we are supposed to develop insecurity, and we supposed to develop nothing to hang onto, and we supposed to develop nonduality and everything, through the yanas that we go through. And finally what we come up with is we find the most indestructible security of all. That the death becomes a security, a *vajra* security, indestructible security, because that security cannot be shaken by anything at all. Because that fortress itself is built out of insecurity. So therefore whole thing is, in the vajrayana situation, that it is-- the *vajra* nature is the-- understanding vajra nature is also understanding death from that point of view.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115879/file/219758#t=756.0,841.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115879/file/219758/transcript/62593/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So that we could go from simplistic approach. At the beginning, maybe, we will say that \"one day I’m going to die.\" And we must think about that. \"Everybody dies; therefore, I’m going to die.\" And one day we’re going to die. We can’t avoid it. That’s the very basic starting point of awareness of death. And from that, then begin to develop further sophistication that, not only one day that we’re going to die, that we go-- we born and die every day, every year. Each time we would change our age we are closer to death, and we are dying, actually. And not each year, each month, but every day. And then it becomes closer and closer, not every day alone, but every hour, every minute. That very notion of any experience contains death. So in other word, our state of mind cannot exist as one solid entity, state of mind. In fact, the seeming continuity is made out of instant deaths. Therefore there’s a seeming continuity.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115879/file/219758#t=841.0,925.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115879/file/219758/transcript/62593/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then beyond that level that there is the mahayana’s approach to death is that, that even that seeming continuity’s death being also some kind of security. You know that each frame of the slides projected on a movie screen, we know that that’s separate entities, made out of the seeming continuity. But nevertheless we find a tremendous source of fascination to it, as if it’s continual thing. So the shunyata principle is then again understanding-- experiencing death much more than that, that even the seeming discontinuity is purely perceptual, conceptual level. Ideal level, purely *idea*. And in fact, we have to see that we can’t even have idea of death and work with it. And we-- the very understanding of death, the idea of death in itself had to be death-- died. That is called nonduality, or the shunyata. So that understanding death becomes spontaneously existing flash. The Zen tradition, known as \"satori\". In the mahayana tradition, talks about a glimpse of the expressions of bodhisattva’s development, enlightenment.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115879/file/219758#t=925.0,1032.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115879/file/219758/transcript/62593/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then even beyond that, our understanding of death becomes highly sophisticated and highly profound in the vajrayana level. That even it’s so profound it is regard as ordinary. And the term \"thamal gyi shepa\" means \"the ordinary intelligence\", ordinary insight. Very ordinary. It’s-- because it’s so extraordinary that it’s hardly worth saying it’s extraordinary. That death becomes just natural occurrence. Experience become natural occurrence rather than particularly extraordinary big deal.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115879/file/219758#t=1032.0,1080.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115879/file/219758/transcript/62593/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But it *does* becomes big deal, in some sense. And some point that the reference point begin to lose. In fact that, nobody seems to be dying, because there’s no one to die. But even notion of \"no one to die\" becomes also idea -- that idea that had to die. And finally the tremendous journey to the infinite logic makes no sense. And that is the ultimate understanding of *vajra* security. That one begin to realize in order to run faster than anybody else, you don’t move at all.\r\n\r\n\r\nWe could have a discussion. [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115879/file/219758#t=1080.0,1161.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115879/file/219758/transcript/62593/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 1]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: If no one dies, is that the death of death?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, yeah. We could say that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115879/file/219758#t=1161.0,1175.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115879/file/219758/transcript/62593/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 2]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Is relationship with death, could you say that that’s like relationship with nature, in which you feeling-- there’s a feeling of belonging and openness to whatever comes, and feeling no fear?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, but you see relationship to death is in a sense somewhat matter of fact one, that quite different from relating with nature. In a sense nature brings certain kind of-- reasoning mind, bring-- has something to dwell on, the beauty or whatever. But death becomes maybe the most un-entertaining experience. Therefore it might become food for your mind. But it *is* a question of one with something, definitely, yeah. I mean that’s what-- the problem is that we are unable to relate with death is -- we are not able to be one with death.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: And separation?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. And that brings a lot of-- all kinds of freak outs, all kinds of panic. That in fact, our panic becomes the most dangerous of all, rather than the *cause* of the panic.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115879/file/219758#t=1175.0,1270.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115879/file/219758/transcript/62593/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 3]\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: So that when you say that the shunyata experience is very frightening, or threatening, is it the achieved experience or is it kind of approaching it? For example, the experience of satori is often described as very blissful or beautiful.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: By who? [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: Whoever, the Zen roshis.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [Laughs] You see the thing is, satori experience-- we could say that there’s no such thing satori experience. There’s no such thing shunyata experience, per se. That experience only does, because there’s boundary which marks the other side of the property, this side of the property. So therefore the sudden fear of you be engolloped into the vast space of shunyata is only occurred in the border. Therefore that there is a sudden shock.\r\n\r\n\r\nYou see the thing is it would seem to be rather dangerous to say that sudden glimpse of enlightenment is, you know, pleasurable. And it seem to be that is-- has very strange feeling about that. That you have experience egolessness. And then, having experience egolessness, you watch yourself having experiencing it -- in order to bring back the message to those who possess ego. That it was good, it was okay. So... questionable.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115879/file/219758#t=1270.0,1379.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115879/file/219758/transcript/62593/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 4]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: Is there the possibility with death of absorption? As--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Death what?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: With death. Is there the possibility of being absorbed by death, in the same sense that the gods are absorbed by bliss?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I think so. I mean, that’s if you -- if you realize death is ongoing constant situation. Then you're absorbed by death. Even the awareness of death doesn’t apply anymore; it’s there, constantly. So in other words the-- the real experience of death is the real experience of egolessness. Completely absorbed.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: I mean is there an absorption-- a kind of illegitimate absorption?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I don’t think so. You see, fortunately death is a very pointed-- right to the point subject. That if anybody who has that tendency of making messages into spiritual materialism wouldn’t think of relating with the death, because that’s too close to home. So I don’t think so. I mean that’s why it’s very important subject. It’s one of the most safe, if we could say such thing. [Laughs; laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115879/file/219758#t=1379.0,1467.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115879/file/219758/transcript/62593/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 5]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Is there-- from what you’ve been saying, there doesn’t seem to be any ultimate difference between birth and death? In other words to experience life as a series of death is the same experiencing it as a series of birth, or is…\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, you could say that, but then you also might say that instead of working on the death, you might work on the birth. Everything constant birth. But reason why that isn’t so is because that death is not a particular way of talking about the counterpart of the birth. But death is something greater, larger than that, is the background which allows the births and deaths -- the small births, the small deaths -- occurred. The space which accommodates, the sympathetic space which accommodates the happenings of birth and death.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: So, death is a background for death?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: As well as birth.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: As well as birth. Yeah -- in this case, in the *larger* sense.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115879/file/219758#t=1467.0,1551.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115879/file/219758/transcript/62593/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 6]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: Is there any difference between a small death, and the death that’s in the background?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, small death is a relative thing. Which is a counterpart of birth. And you can’t experience enlightened flash out of that, because that’s just another logic.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115879/file/219758#t=1551.0,1579.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115879/file/219758/transcript/62593/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 7]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: I’d like to ask a question about how death becomes an \"indestructible security\". You mentioned that. Is that in the sense that when we are one with death, momentary death, we know that it’s some kind of a law that we can’t-- the fact we can’t change, we can’t overcome the fact that we’re dying. Is that the sense that there's some kind of indestructible security?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think it’s more than that, actually, it’s much larger thing than that, that realization of choicelessness. You know, that you can’t have a choice anymore. The trying to make a choice is purely a game. So finally one begin to realize that -- the same notion that we were discussing about hopelessness, or the choicelessness. Finally we begin to tune into that, then we begin to develop sense of total *being*, without the watcher. Which is dharmakaya, or dharmadhatu, whatever.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115879/file/219758#t=1579.0,1674.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115879/file/219758/transcript/62593/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 8]\r\n\r\n\r\nLILA KALLMAN: On choicelessness, and also on space, and death being sort of more or less the same: you said once space is indestructible, provides obstacles, and accommodates birth and death. It seems to me that it provides obstacles, because the one thing it doesn’t accommodate is our fictions. And it seems that it’s a fiction that dies, in the small death. But isn’t there some kind of responsibility that carries over?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Very much so, because that you become part of the environment which runs the whole universe. So it was a lot of responsibility; in fact, very efficient operation.\r\n\r\n\r\nLILA KALLMAN: But then is there some element of choice in what direction you are going to put yourself?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No but that, if you-- as soon as we have a choice, that we haven’t understood death properly, from that point of view.\r\n\r\n\r\nLILA KALLMAN: Who has the choice?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm?\r\n\r\n\r\nLILA KALLMAN: Who is it who has the choice? Who is--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. And also that you have back and forth journey. You have still have your back and you still have your face. Whereas in the choiceless state, you are just reduced into one big eye which sees everything, all directions.\r\n\r\n\r\nLILA KALLMAN: Then just a process takes place.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm?\r\n\r\n\r\nLILA KALLMAN: Then it’s just a process that takes place?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, process that takes place.\r\n\r\n\r\nLILA KALLMAN: Without us, without anybody.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. I mean that’s the vajrayana level, don’t mistake that to be other levels [laughs].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115879/file/219758#t=1674.0,1766.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115879/file/219758/transcript/62593/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 9]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: At what level does the concept of samsara and nirvana and your approach to it become absurd? Sort of like at the point of dharmakaya, I guess.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, it’s the final state where you begin to realize the methods and techniques were mere toy. That we needed never practice on the path. And because there were no journey, and you never moved. But the seeming journey is also ironically satisfying.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115879/file/219758#t=1766.0,1813.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115879/file/219758/transcript/62593/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 10]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: Rinpoche, does a bodhisattva vows still hold to someone on maha ati level?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Much more so than even bodhisattvas. [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115879/file/219758#t=1813.0,1830.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115879/file/219758/transcript/62593/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 11]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: When you’re one with death, is there still an experience of bardo?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No. You see there is two types of situations in the traditional way. That you could be one with death because that you have no dualistic mind. And you could be one with the death because you are not one exactly, but you could be highly involved with your egohood. So you even don’t comprehend death. And there’s the expression is \"two types of penetration\" -- either complete absorption and one with the death in the enlightened sense, does not have to go through the bardo transitional state. Or if you’re completely, you know, egohood, knows no knowledge of death at all, then you have no bardo either. That’s the entrance to the vajra hell, which is the anti-enlightenment. So there’s-- the bardo does apply-- doesn’t apply those two cases. Doesn’t apply those two cases.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115879/file/219758#t=1830.0,1920.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115879/file/219758/transcript/62593/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 12]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: How can a state of egohood like that avoid the bardo? I mean--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Because you have no communication, you are completely absorbed in your-- you had to be very powerful, egohood, you know.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: You mean the ego just goes right through intact?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I mean ego’s become solid lead. You know, it just drops down to vajra hell [laughter].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115879/file/219758#t=1920.0,1947.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115879/file/219758/transcript/62593/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 13]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: And does the tendency towards egohood, does that grow as you go along the path? I mean that you could become really rudra, as you go along the path. Whereas if you’re not that advanced, the possibilities of becoming peak egohood aren’t that great.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I mean, I didn’t hear your original question.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: Maybe I’m asking, the possibilities of getting into vajra hell or becoming rudra are-- they become larger as you go along, as you proceed on the path--.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. Precisely. And heavier and heavier, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: And possibly that-- can you like experience going into vajra hell, like a person would go into vajra hell, and then get out of it? And as you go along the path, you experience this egohood?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, it’s possible. But before you go up, you have to lose your weight. Which is a very painful one. And often you can’t lose your weight, you have to be stripped to the bones.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115879/file/219758#t=1947.0,2031.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115879/file/219758/transcript/62593/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 14]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: Rinpoche, what-- that sounds a bit like the shunyata experience of the mahayana level.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: The rudrahood?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: No, the vajra hell. I mean your description of-- how do you return from that being you know, associated with being stripped.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, but you be-- you have a extra layer of fat of you. \r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: Oh.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Rather than your original body. So you be made into workable shapes before you come out. And then you start all over again. [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115879/file/219758#t=2031.0,2066.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115879/file/219758/transcript/62593/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 15]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: Let’s take our thoughts and our feelings, and our likes and dislikes. And we all have been experience of dwelling on things. From like dwell on a thought, dwell on a feeling sort of person. When you talk about accepting death, are you saying that, as we experience our tendency to dwell on things, that this gives way to a, like we don't-- we just automatically then do not dwell in the same way that we did before? The more that we experience our dwelling on things, that the less we dwell? And the faster and faster it goes?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: By dwell, what do you mean?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: Well, let’s say we dislike something about our environment.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: And we dwell on that feeling.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: There seem to be some kind of, you know, we don’t know-- have anything else to do. We like to do something, so we dwell on our dislike of our environment or something like that. Then we begin to see, well, there’s no security in dwelling on this dislike of the environment, or like of the environment, or like of an emotional state. There’s no sense in dwelling on anything. So things start moving faster, faster. And then, is the acceptance of death the point at which this-- we get, we finally see that there’s no point in dwelling on anything? It just goes faster and faster?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well it’s not even a purposeful as much as that, there’s no point in dwelling anything. I mean, you-- that is still, you know, hanging on to life. You know, you might say, we might as well do something else than this, which seem to be carefree, but still it’s very much holding onto something.\r\n\r\n\r\nSo the acceptance of death goes more than that. It’s not particularly occupation. You see, once you do that, you have separateness. You know, you might go faster as you said but still, you have a sense of separateness between you and your energy. Whereas the complete absorption into understanding of death is there’s no separation. And in fact the very fact -- the scheme itself doesn’t apply anymore.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: Is there a technique? Can you speak of technique in avoiding a purposeful approach? We keep-- you know, we keep developing that purposeful approaches. Our only technique then is what, meditation? [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, to begin with, I would say just, you know, meditation which allows you to bring your neurosis onto the larger scale, or on the surface. And you begin to see that how much clingings and how much avoidance of death that your trips that you’re going through. So the meditation makes you more clumsy at the beginning. So that seem to be the only way, is to bring out on the surface, to make it very obvious.\r\n\r\n\r\nSo meditation might become-- the product of meditation experience might become very insulting. That you begin to realize, you know how extreme you are, or whatever. But that’s the only way that to begin with. So in other word, that in order to understand death you have to bring out the-- onto the surface that how much you cling on to, that you try to avoid death. First we have to see that heavy-handedness. Rediscovering our self that way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115879/file/219758#t=2066.0,2321.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115879/file/219758/transcript/62593/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 16]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: Does the experience of shunyata become continuous in the mahayana?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mahayana? Yeah, in mahayana level that first glimpse of shunyata happens in the first bhumi. Even the first path, first section of five path. And goes on, constantly. And until the vajra-like samadhi of enlightenment.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: That’s when it becomes continuous experience? Shunyata?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Then beyond that, it-- yeah, it becomes the essence of shunyata is be kept, but the materialistic aspect of shunyata is, you know--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: What’s a materialistic aspect?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Is the *awareness* of shunyata--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: Yeah, right.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: -- is be, you know, fall through.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: So the relative notion of it.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. You know, there’s still, you know, very faint something.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115879/file/219758#t=2321.0,2380.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115879/file/219758/transcript/62593/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 17]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER16: Does the tremendous fear of the first experience of shunyata get less with-- as it becomes continuous? Or do you just get used to the fear? What--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No, I mean, you don’t get to fear constantly, because fear is the-- when you enter into the border, you have--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER16: Right.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: And then whenever you regress, and then you come back again, you having, of course you know, each time it repeats. But that’s depends on the level of how much you regress your whole, how much you are falling, you know, falling backward.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER16: Into egohood.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Into egohood, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER16: It sounds like an electric fence.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Sure, yeah. [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115879/file/219758#t=2380.0,2421.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115879/file/219758/transcript/62593/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 18]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER17: Is the vajra hell that you were speaking of, is there analogy to that in terms of the types of insanities that are experienced in life? Strong or weak ones. Are these indicators of egohood, and the result of it? When we become insane in one way or another, either on a light level or on a heavy level, where we might have to actually go to a mental hospital, within the ordinary kind of insanity that we might so-called freak out for a few days. Are these indicators of that vajra hell? And indicators also that-- and type of egohood has been--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well you see vajra hell is not only degree of sanity or insanity. But vajra hell, the approach that you have when you begin to approach towards vajra hell is not only that your own insanities become increased but your own insanity begin to transmit to others. And you’re becoming slightly demonic. You know, that wanted to eat everybody up. And that’s the approaching towards vajra hell. Otherwise, the general insanity is not necessarily, you may be extremely insane or extremely unable to handle yourself even. But that is not-- that person is not a particular candidate to vajra hell. Vajra hell is something quite different, it’s that power you over-- you have over other people. And transmitting your insanity to others. So that you can control them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115879/file/219758#t=2421.0,2533.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115879/file/219758/transcript/62593/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 19]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER18: In-- but when you make the remark that one can achieve the security of complete submission to the fact of death, there seems to be the fulfillment of a need, whether it was recognized before or not. When you get the security, you lacked that security before. How would you say that this is different than the feeling of consolation, that somebody could have in submission to the concept of \"dust unto dust?\" The-- \"from rising from the uncreated and sinking back into the uncreated\", and like you know, submitting to the-- to kind of like, what you could say \"the law of the universe\" and dying. And being consoled somehow by feeling a *part* of everything, in that sense? I’m not being too clear. But what I mean is, is there a difference between this achievement of the security -- or coming to security and the common usage of the term consolation -- when one is resigned?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think that’s entirely different. When you said, \"when you’re resigned to something\", that is, you'll still have a project. How much you give up your hope, but still, you know, your giving up hope might be helpful. And how much you resign, how much you give up, even to the point of suicidal. But you are still not accepting death in its absolute level.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER19: The way that I mean resignation *is* acceptance of death. That’s how I mean, to resign oneself, to submit to the law.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah I mean, even that is slightly fishy, you know. That you are making some kind of allegiance to the law, or whatever, you know. That you're still regarding yourself as in partnership with somebody.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER19: In what?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Partnership. You know rather than you be completely engolloped, so to speak.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115879/file/219758#t=2533.0,2662.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115879/file/219758/transcript/62593/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 20]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER20: I was wondering if you wanted to say anything about \"sidpa bardo\", the rebirth experience, and if at the bodhisattva level or the tulku level, whether there’s a choice of the womb in which they’re going to be born? If there's choice and rebirth at that level.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think rebirth is also again, at the same kind of situation that you accepted death, that you are in control of the death, in fact you are one with the death. Therefore you have no other interference. As much as that bodhisattvas would have in contr-- have the power to work on their life, their own life. As well-- not doesn’t have to rebirth or death, but their lifetime they have control of their directions. They have complete directions, they fulfill their directions without any interruptions. So it’s saying the same thing, that even death is not particularly big deal, it’s just leaving one town and getting to another town.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115879/file/219758#t=2662.0,2737.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115879/file/219758/transcript/62593/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 21]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER21: Are you saying that the panic and freak out in the way we view our choices have to do with the fact that you-- the way that you think a choice is going to affect your death and your life. And that the choicelessness--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah the choicelessness, yeah--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER21: --the weighing, you know, your choices is different?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah once you begin to choose, you know, then you have also a negative attitude to yourself. That you have chosen the best one and avoided the worst.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115879/file/219758#t=2737.0,2761.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115879/file/219758/transcript/62593/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 22]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER22: Rinpoche, are death and life like waves, or are they separate from each other and isolated, like salt and pepper? [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: The death and life are, it seem to be complementary. It’s like light and dark. You know, that’s the smaller version of death and life. Is that life cannot survive without death, and death cannot survive without life. It’s complementary.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115879/file/219758#t=2761.0,2789.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115879/file/219758/transcript/62593/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: CLOSING REMARKS]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: We might have to close our big seminar. I’d like to thank everybody being very patient and develop lot of endurance in the weather and everything. And hope we have a chance to work together on the death. Thank you.\r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115879/file/219758#t=2789.0,2823.91506"}]},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115879/file/219758/transcript/62594","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["19730713VCTR1-Captions [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/115879/file/219758/transcript/62594/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"CTI SLATE:\nThis is the Venerable Chogyam\nTrungpa 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