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Based on foundation of hinayana and mahayana: the three marks of existence and bodhisattva approach continue to play crucial roles. Tantra as a response to the potential for the shunyata experience of emptiness to lead to extremes of either nihilism and detachment, or “good intentions” and virtuousness; tantra cuts through these dualistic concepts. In tantra, samsara and nirvana become inseparable and there is freedom from all dogma. Dualistic fixation transmutes into energy without neurosis.\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication"]},"value":{"en":["BOOK: Lion's Roar","BOOK: Collected Works Vol 04"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication Details"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eBOOK: LION'S ROAR: Part II, Chapter 5: Overcoming Moralism\u003cbr\u003e-- from \u003ca href=\"https://www.shambhala.com/the-lion-s-roar-921.html\"\u003eShambhala Publications\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eBOOK: COLLECTED WORKS VOL 4 (in contained book THE LION'S ROAR)\u003cbr\u003e-- from \u003ca href=\"https://www.shambhala.com/the-collected-works-of-chogyam-trungpa-385.html\"\u003eShambhala Publications\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Transcription Credits"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eApr 23 2025 to Nov 30 2025 Transcribing: Ella Milligan Checking: Eirikur Baldursson Final Proof: Anne Seidlitz Other Contributors: Lynn Friedman\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003e© Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Year"]},"value":{"en":["1973"]}}],"summary":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eOverview of the tantric yanas, or vajrayana, the fourth through ninth of the nine yanas. Based on foundation of hinayana and mahayana: the three marks of existence and bodhisattva approach continue to play crucial roles. Tantra as a response to the potential for the shunyata experience of emptiness to lead to extremes of either nihilism and detachment, or \u0026ldquo;good intentions\u0026rdquo; and virtuousness; tantra cuts through these dualistic concepts. In tantra, samsara and nirvana become inseparable and there is freedom from all dogma. Dualistic fixation transmutes into energy without neurosis.\u003c/p\u003e"]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003e\u0026copy; Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved -\u0026nbsp;Not to be Distributed or Reproduced\u003c/p\u003e"]}},"provider":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["Chogyam Trungpa Digital Library"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["Chogyam Trungpa Digital Library"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/209/original/cti-library-logo-blue-text.png?1672724952","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collections/default_thumbs/000/002/230/small/Logo-Audio-Red.png?1766080315","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 1 - 1766091052_19730522vctr1-audio-prod-cticustrmstr-access.mp3"]},"duration":4378.55213,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collections/default_thumbs/000/002/230/small/Logo-Audio-Red.png?1766080315","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061/content/1/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-cti.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/299/061/original/1766091052_19730522vctr1-audio-prod-cticustrmstr-access.mp3?1766091054","type":"Audio","format":"audio/mpeg","duration":4378.55213,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061/transcript/87914","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["19730522VCTR1-Transcript [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061/transcript/87914/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[19730522VCTR1 - Public Seminar - San Francisco - The Nine Yanas I - Talk 5]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]\r\n\r\n\r\nCTI SLATE: This is the Venerable Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, public seminar entitled The Nine Yanas I, held in San Francisco, California. held in San Francisco, California. This is talk number five, \"Overcoming Moralism,\" recorded on May 22st, 1973. This is a CTI custom remaster made May 2025.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061#t=0.0,30.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061/transcript/87914/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: MAIN TALK]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: In order to continue what we have discussed throughout the seminar project-- subjects, that we seem to have a problem that a lot of people joined us halfway through. And they didn't have a chance to go through the whole subject. But however, that we should proceed, what we've been discussing. We reached the level of having started-- having discussed already the principle of hinayana, representing shravakayana, pratyekabuddhayana; and mahayana representing bodhisattva practice ideal, and that of the shunyata principle we have discussed last night.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061#t=30.0,120.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061/transcript/87914/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That tonight's discussion is maybe we could-- instead of discussing the kriyayoga tantra, we probably could discuss the introductory talk on the tantra. Might be helpful, before we get into the details of the different approaches of six types of tantrayanas that we are going to discuss later on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061#t=120.0,158.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061/transcript/87914/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"As we were discussing the idea of impermanence, suffering, egolessness in the hinayana talk, plays extremely important, crucial part in the tantra as well. Which we can't deny, and it is important to acknowledge that we are not just purely transcend hinayana, and now we could latch onto higher horse, or tantra. And likewise, we cannot also ignore the bodhisattva's path, of transplanting bodhichitta in mind, and perfections of bodhisattva's practices of six paramitas. And also the bodhisattva's approach towards understanding of nonduality as well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061#t=158.0,228.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061/transcript/87914/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It seems that we do need those technical understandings, in order to understand the buddhadharma. That buddhadharma did not particularly meant to present-- or make you into professor as such, or scholar as such. But nevertheless, when we discuss *anything* connected with big ideas, powerful ideas, those ideas need to have some elements to relate with. So tantra is desperately dependent on understanding of hinayana *and* mahayana, always. So that's very important. So some kind of little technical knowledge, at least, to understand the hinayana's principle of reality, and mahayana's principle of morality, are basic necessity. Absolutely important. If you don't have any understanding of those that probably we miss the whole point of vajrayana, tantra.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061#t=228.0,322.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061/transcript/87914/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"People in the West usually think that tantra is purely concerned with pranayama, mudras, and visualizations; that's what tantra's all about. Which is quite true-- not quite true. There's something *more* than that. And to begin with, tantra is based on the idea of understanding who's practicing tantra. Who are we, who am I? [Long pause]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061#t=322.0,419.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061/transcript/87914/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Using the same logic that is developed in hinayana level, the tantric practitioner automatically would say, if you ask him \"who are you?\", \"I am a collection of-- I'm made out of collection of stuff, which doesn't exist. Which are the-- I'm collection of five skandhas, that-- which actually doesn't exist.\" Which is a hinayana answer as well as a mahayana answer at the same time. And also, that if you ask the tantric practitioner, \"Why are you practicing this path?\" And automatically tantric practitioner would say that, \"Because I have surrendered myself. And I-- my work is dedicated toward the benefit of all sentient beings.\" Which is also pragmatic answer of both hinayana (\"I've surrendered\") and mahayana (\"I have decided to dedicate my life for the benefit of all sentient beings\") as well.\r\n\r\n\r\n[Long pause] [Unknown gesture or incident] [Laughter] [Long pause]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061#t=419.0,595.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061/transcript/87914/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Question might be asked that, \"What is the basic need to get beyond the hinayana and mahayana? Why don't you stay on in the hinayana and perfect hinayana? And why don't you stay on in mahayana and perfect mahayana? What's the point of getting beyond -- another area?\" I think that's the most important question of all. Asking hinayanist: \"Why don't you remain and perfect hinayana?\" \"Is because that the perfection of hinayana *is* mahayana; I cannot help it.\" And the same thing, that \"The perfection of mahayana *is* vajrayana. I cannot help it.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061#t=595.0,718.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061/transcript/87914/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"One of the follies of bodhisattva's path or mahayana path is because that there was still good intention involved. How much we trying to be detached from our good intention, but still we are involved with the good intention of some kind. Some kind of \"paramita,\" \"transcending the other shore,\" is involved. That there is an element of goodness, which rejects the sense of energy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061#t=718.0,772.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061/transcript/87914/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bodhisattva's claim to be the most bravest and powerful warrior of all. But still, trying to live up to its virtue is become hangup, problem. And still searching for \"warriorhood\", rather than being a warrior is become problem. That when we're trying to sit down and meditate, that we're trying to become \"good meditators,\" rather than *being* in meditation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061#t=772.0,829.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061/transcript/87914/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So tantric's approach to spirituality from this point of view is that there's no particularly pronounced good intention involved, with the tantra. *Or* for that matter bad intention either -- if you are concerned about that. [Laughs; laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061#t=829.0,869.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061/transcript/87914/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The notion of shunyata that discussed in the mahayana's approach, in the Prajnaparamita Sutra talks about of word \"emptiness\" -- \"shunya\" \"ta.\" \"Shunya\", \"empty\", \"ta\", \"-ness.\" \"Shunyata\", \"emptiness.\" Shunyata: removing barrier, the screen between subject and object, absence of the screen -- shunyata -- is-- for the time being, is very powerful, very important.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061#t=869.0,934.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061/transcript/87914/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The Hinayanist school of Buddhism talks about everything's made out of atom, and everything is conditioned by time; therefore it is impermanent, is been challenged. The atomist philosophy has been challenged, by being-- by saying that even those logic aren't necessary. We don't have to even create dialectic logic-- deductive logic, to prove that in order to see the transparence of the world, we don't have to just necessarily reduce everything to dust, or moments, necessarily. I mean that's believing in nothingness in some sense; that things don't exist because they're made out of atoms. So what? Still, there's some materialism.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061#t=934.0,1002.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061/transcript/87914/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And some kind of philosophical school referred as pluralists, believing in a mass collection which makes-- massive collection which proves the nonexistence of mass. Because all of them conditioned by time and space, therefore things don't exist, because it depends on the mutual space; therefore they don't exist and so forth and so forth and so on. [Laughs] It gets very complicated if we discuss that pluralists and atomists attitude of reality in the world.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061#t=1002.0,1051.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061/transcript/87914/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Shunyata cuts that barrier of atomists or pluralists naturally, by saying that we don't have to reduce everything to dust. In order to realize nonexistence of a table, we don't have to grind down table into dust, and then show it to you: \"Look, this is the remain of the table.\" [Laughter] We don't have to do *that*. But then there's something else involved: if you say that the table doesn't exist, because it was-- because it *wasn't* table, and then you begin to create an *idea*, table didn't exist because it used to be or it was or it is a dust-- collection of a dust, then you still set pattern of fixed belief. The table is consist of pile of dust, garbage.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061#t=1051.0,1120.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061/transcript/87914/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Shunyata principle brought -- and the shunyata principle of the bodhisattva's philosophy did not even try to bother to say that. It does not matter whether table is solid or made out of a collection of atoms. The only problematic is because you still *have* a table, whatever is-- your belief is. So your belief doesn't exist. Reason why your belief doesn't exist is because *you* believed. Who are you, anyway? You don't exist in any case. [Laughter] Which removes the barrier. I'm afraid this is a very crude example actually, very crude example; kindergarten level, but nevertheless. That since you as a fixed, ongoing entity do not exist, therefore so-called \"table\" that you named it, you believed it and use it, does not exist as your version of the table, your version of the table.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061#t=1120.0,1209.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061/transcript/87914/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So then the question is what *does* exist? The *barrier* exist. The *filter* exists. The optical illusion that you use, the optical glasses that you use, did exist -- rather than the projection or the projector.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061#t=1209.0,1243.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061/transcript/87914/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And the shunyata teaching is to tell you that you do not need to have a barrier, to name things. You do not need to have interpreter, to tell you how things are being called, being named. Nonexistent interpreter. Or the folly of the interpreter. No problem with the language. You could have a relationship without language, in fact. Just kick out the interpreter. Then you don't speak any language. That's fine. Then you're really relate with explore things as they are. The interpreter doesn't tell you how things are. So, it seem to be very simple, simpleminded solution. Kick out the interpreter. No language. No concept. And then you begin to explore. If nobody has explained you what table is, or its function, then you begin to explore what \"table-ness,\" or what the \"pot-ness,\" what the \"rock-ness\" or \"flower-ness.\" You begin to explore, you begin to work with that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061#t=1243.0,1329.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061/transcript/87914/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's what in Heart Sutra it talks about \"emptiness is also form.\" That form is no different from emptiness, that things do exist, in their own merit without your judgment, preconceptions and so forth. We begin to see things very direct way, straightforward way, literal. And colors are not called \"red, white, blue,\" but they are as they are. So if we don't *name* them, conceptualize them, they become much more redder, bluer, and whiter, so forth. That seem to be the idea of shunyata principle, of seeing things as they are.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061#t=1329.0,1401.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061/transcript/87914/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But the problem is that there is a possibility, when you don't use preconceptions, of things as they are, when you reject the whole language. And when you begin to explore things in its true nature, somewhat or other that you be reducing to infanthood. That you become... a deaf, who never heard the language, but you still have relation with the thing, you explore. There's that problem-- that's the problem of a nihilistic problem. When you begin to cut down the preconceptions and no ideas, no fantasies, no categorize, no pigeonholing, then there's possibilities that the such student might raise into a deaf person, stupid person -- from the tantric point of view by the way. That there is also danger of that you be raised into absolute, completely perfect meditative state, in which you don't care what things been called. You only relate what things are, is a possibilities of raising the ape instinct again, once more. There is that problem.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061#t=1401.0,1509.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061/transcript/87914/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Of course, the whole thing sounded good and beautiful, that if you become completely detached with the whole world, in terms of preconception, no concepts, no naming; things being organic, relational, constantly. That's very intelligent thing. But at the same time, there's something is not quite clicking, shall we say. [Laughs] Doesn't quite work, as ideally that as we should function ourselves in the world, in the world of mankind, of human beings. There is that problem, in the mahayanist's way, is therefore whole thing is moralistic, and trying to be \"good,\" trying to be non-categorizing, trying to be all-perfect and good and great. And *kind* to everybody. You don't listen to the bad language. Still you acknowledge the bad language but you don't actually listen to it. That seem to be one of the biggest problem of mahayana's approach to reality, is biggest problem of all, is that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061#t=1509.0,1620.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061/transcript/87914/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That is the precisely the reason why tantra is necessary. As you can see, you have [to] cut down all kinds of dualistic trips of all kinds, conceptualized notions of all kinds, believing this and that of all kinds. You have cut down the whole thing. But then we have left numb. And tantric approach to life from this point of view is to redefine, regenerate the whole thing *again*: introduce duality, introduce conceptualization, but entirely different level. In order to do that you can't just begun-- you can't begin as tantric practitioner as such at all. You have to cut down your things, everything; you have to cut down, you have to reduce yourself into numbness. Which is absolutely necessary. Having done such a thing, then you regain your perception. Another evolution begins happen. And that is what's called energy in tantric language. Or power, energy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061#t=1620.0,1711.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061/transcript/87914/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In the tantric language, it talks about the idea of \"chandali\", which means \"ever-present force,\" ever-present force, energy. That energy is reawakening from the sedations of the bodhisattva's trip. You awake again, but still you be cured from dualistic problems.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061#t=1711.0,1770.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061/transcript/87914/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That duality is necessary. Samsara is necessary. In fact in a lot of tantric literatures talks about the sameness or the indivisible of samsara and nirvana. Talks about that language. That idea. Which means that there *is* some relationship in which that one had to raise that intelligence, after the devastating detachment, sweep, of mahayana. One had to regain from somewhere.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061#t=1770.0,1829.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061/transcript/87914/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Which is fundamentally raising the principle of buddha nature, \"tathagatagarbha.\" And reintroducing the idea of three marks of existence again: suffering, impermanence, egolessness. They begin to manifest themselves in an entirely different light. Suffering as adornment, energy; impermanence as consort to dance with; and egolessness as basic strength to be. The whole thing is interpreted entirely different angle. But still in keeping with the process of understanding of life, from the even hinayanist point of view.\r\n\r\n\r\nSuffering is elem-- emotion-- I mean energy; impermanence is that you can dance with; and egoless is way to be. Become extremely powerful tantric statement -- again.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: Did you just make that up, Trungpa? Or [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Did I make it up?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: Yeah, [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [Laughs] Let's discuss that later.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061#t=1829.0,1988.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061/transcript/87914/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think one of the problems of someone like Naropa, is obviously a great student, scholar, of hinayana *and* mahayana. And he found that something is lacking in him. That he have to give up his robe, and he have to involve himself with a teacher, doing all kinds of undesirable things that teacher would ask him to do. Which you can find the-- if you read THE LIFE AND TEACHING OF NAROPA, you find the details. [Laughter] That's very good book to read -- worth reading, if you're interested in tantra. That outrageousness of the teaching. That the nirvana is identical with samsara. That's one of the phrases that tantric teachers use: \"Indivisible of nirvana and samsara.\" \"Khor-de yerme.\" Which is a very powerful statement.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061#t=1988.0,2100.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061/transcript/87914/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And similarly we could say that three marks of existence are being samsaric statement somewhat: life is pain and miserable; impermanence is obviously that people are dying, and we are dying constantly; egolessness is that we are-- we have no substance to hang onto anything, which is a samsaric statement, obviously. The portrait of samsara. But embodied that into vajrayana language is extremely powerful, tremendously powerful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061#t=2100.0,2151.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061/transcript/87914/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"If you read Guenther's book on Naropa [LIFE AND TEACHING OF NAROPA], you probably find those three aspects, and he talks about the three gates of liberation; one of his footnotes, I don't remember which particular one. The \"un-biasedness\" or \"egolessness\" or something; three gates of liberation. In Guenther's book of Naropa he talks about that. And it would be worth looking up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061#t=2151.0,2183.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061/transcript/87914/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The whole point there is that tantra, tantric philosophy -- if we call it philosophy, for lack of better name -- is that language of samsara. Tantra is language of samsara... redefined language of samsara. Having gone through all spiritual trips of the hinayana or the mahayana, tantra is coming back to the world. But, somewhat we could say reformed way. More intelligent than the samsara-samsara approach. In tantric approach is samsara *plus* samsara. Rather than purely samsara-samsara. It's *super*-samsara, very intelligent samsara [laughter].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061#t=2183.0,2260.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061/transcript/87914/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I mean that's why tantra has been looked down upon lot of hinayana schools and certain mahayana schools. And of course in twentieth century we have also someone who looked down upon tantra as being samsaric language.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061#t=2260.0,2288.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061/transcript/87914/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dr. Edward Conze is highly resented of the existence of tantra. That he would like to make vajr-- he would like to make mahayana as glorious peak of tantra-- of Buddhism, this is the highest idea that you could get onto. But consequently you find there's another pyramid above him. And he say, \"Oh those are just freak people. [laughter] Just would like to make love and drink and live in samsara. It's no good.\" [Laughs; laughter] Quite rightly -- from his point of view. [Laughter; laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061#t=2288.0,2342.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061/transcript/87914/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That is like when Nagarjuna is early age. When he is a young, impressive, handsome logician of mahayana in his early age. He would have defended Buddhism from tantra. But as he got old, and more experienced, and he begin to think about himself twice, he became tantric siddha. I mean that's obviously the role that like Naropa has go through as well. That why didn't he stay in the Nalanda University and just being scholar? But he couldn't do it. And when people get old and mature, more and more they begin to think twice, about life; they always come back to tantra. That's true. [Laughs] Always happens that way. Even you may not call yourself as a tantric practitioner as such, but you find yourself being same way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061#t=2342.0,2433.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061/transcript/87914/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The basic idea of tantra from this point of view is sameness of samsara and nirvana. Samsaric experience -- chaos and problems -- are obviously neurosis. Neurotic problems, should be related with detachment and openness, relate with them; entirely new angle.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061#t=2433.0,2474.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061/transcript/87914/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But at the same time, why should we be too polite to samsara, or the nirvana? Why should we be too cultured, polite and reasonable? Let us turn the world upside down! Let us! [Laughs] Let us see the spacious quality of the earth and the earthy quality of the space, if we turn the world upside down. That is tantric's approach to life. The space is solid and earth is spacious. And by no means you can't call this as perverted, because there's no one to judge that who is get perverted. There's no reason. Who is the perverter? There's no one to watch. You just become either of the space or the earth anyway. So nobody judge that. That's called \"crazy wisdom.\" There's no watcher to moderate the moral obligations of sanity of any kind. But you are doing it yourself. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061#t=2474.0,2592.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061/transcript/87914/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So tantra -- I would like for you to understand before we discuss next seminar; several days we are going to discuss about tantra. Is the basic point is that tantra, in this case is further approach to reality. That the reality could be regarded as unreal, and unreal is regarded as reality. And that's the logic of tantra, fundamentally speaking. That's why samsara *is* regarded as nirvana, and nirvana is regarded as samsara. And we do not have any obligations to stick to one doctrine or the other. We're free from all dogma, from that point of view.\r\n\r\n\r\nWe could have discussions on that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061#t=2592.0,2659.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061/transcript/87914/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 1]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Is the metaphor \"stopping the world\" a tantric term, from your point of view?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I don't think so; it sounds like too idealistic. The world doesn't have to stop; in fact tantra create more world. You have hundreds of millions of deities happening.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061#t=2659.0,2682.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061/transcript/87914/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 2]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Sam?\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM BERCHOLZ: Once before, a couple of years back, you were talking about drugs and the drug scene and you described that as super-samsara.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What as what?\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM BERCHOLZ: You were talking-- when people used to ask you about LSD and so on--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM BERCHOLZ: --you described the experience, and all that sort of thing as super-samsara. And today, you described tantra as super-samsara. So I'm a bit confused because you used super-samsara before as a negative, and now you're using it as a positive. [Laughter] And--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, that's very interesting; it's precisely is a tantric statement, in any case. [Laughter] That when you think something is super-samsara, and that you turn upside down as being super-nirvana. And when you think something is super-nirvana and turn it upside down and it's super-samsara. I think in terms of LSD or any hallucinogenic drug experience, still regarded as somewhat adolescent level of nirvana. Therefore it is super-samsara. I still maintain that. [Laughter] People talk about getting all kinds of inspirations out of it. Which is-- they think it's nirvana but it's still a little samsara *of* the super-samsara.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061#t=2682.0,2786.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061/transcript/87914/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 3]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Could you describe how a student's relation to the teacher is affected by these different stages? In other words what is the importance of the teacher at different points?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think that's very important, in any case. That you have to need-- you do need someone to perform operation. And someone who guide you. And someone to challenge you. Physical guru, who lives on this planet, on this planet. [Laughter] And speaks your language, preferably. And he behave like you, preferably, is necessary. Someone you can relate with is absolute necessary, at *all* points. There's no point-- there's no doubt that you try to get away from your imagination of your cosmic guru. You can't do that. You need all the time guidance. Even to the level of that if you achieve cosmic guruhood or consciousness, still you will need somebody to bring you down as \"I do exist.\" As guru is the absolute necessary. There's no doubt about that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061#t=2786.0,2879.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061/transcript/87914/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 4]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: Is the interpreter to be ignored, or actively thrown out?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Actively thrown out. If necessary call the police. [Laughter; laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: Who throws him-- who throws the interpreter out?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You. [Laughter] What else?? [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061#t=2879.0,2923.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061/transcript/87914/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 5]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: What is the name of the yana where tantra perfects itself?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: What is the name of the yana where tantra perfects itself?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Are you attending the seminary? Are you going to be until the end? Let's wait. [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061#t=2923.0,2951.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061/transcript/87914/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 6]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: Could you say something in relation to children and shunyata?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Children and shunyata? Children and shunyata... I don't know. Well, they have a potential of shunyata, but they have already their karmic debts, developed in themselves. Which you can't really do very much. It seems that you can't-- I mean a lot of trips goes on, saying that your children can be scared-- or geared, to a good psychological state of being. There are a lot of ideas about that. But it seems that you can't do that. Unless children had developed up to at least eighteen years of age, that the parents could able to see that where the children's basic psychological map, function is, then you can work with it. And I don't think you can-- you could regard the children as fundamentally innocent person, and that destroy the whole karmic debt and everything. And that also suggests that you can commit suicide to cut off karmic debts. If you're born as pure, and grow up, and then you get fucked up by your life. And why don't you stop your life, kill yourself? Then you'll be free. That seem to be one of the problems of it.\r\n\r\n\r\nSo, children have their own hidden neurosis in any case. At least I watch my children happen that way; they have their own styles of neurosis in any case. And until they get to a certain age, like eighteen years old, thirteen years old, then they begin to develop-- they begin to speak their demands in their style, which could be quite different from the parents' style. And then you could relate with them. If parents are well-versed in dealing with other people as well as their children, then they could handle that, and teach them, relate with them. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: Well it seems that child that-- you look at a table, and their perce-- and they're not having quite as thick a version of it as you. Is maybe their--?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, naturally they do. Yeah, they do. But that doesn't necessarily mean pure version. That's mis-- that's just purely they're growing up. So they haven't seen the viciousness of the world enough. Therefore their ideas may be very innocent, but by no means is pure particularly. And there's a big problem. And otherwise there would be no reincarnation. [Laughs] I suspect all kinds of dangerous things coming up in *my* children, you know, [laughter] that they haven't been woken up, you know. They're going to come out of all kinds of Rudra, rudrahood, of all kinds. Which hasn't come about so far. But we do not know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061#t=2951.0,3201.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061/transcript/87914/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 7]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: Well, Rinpoche, you were-- you talked about the attitude of-- towards suffering in the hinayana, and then that complete sort of flip that's taken in tantra, with regard to suffering, taking it on as energy or as food. But I'm not clear what the mahayana relation to suffering is.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, mahayana's relation to suffering is just purely working base.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: [INAUDIBLE]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Discipline. Discipline. Whenever you feel pain you are supposed to work more harder. It's like when your car got punctured, tire punctured, that you're supposed to work harder to fix it up, drive along. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061#t=3201.0,3256.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061/transcript/87914/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 8]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: According to the theory of dependent origination, upon cessation of desire and attachment, there's a cessation of karma, of the life and death cycle. How does that relate to tantric philosophy? The idea of karma?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think it's same thing: that if you transmute energy, karmic volitional action, into the energy, rather than dualistic fixation. Then transmuted, it becomes energy rather than karmic debts. It's a matter of attitude, a matter of a sense of confident. That those neurotic hangups are meaningless, and you have to transmute.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: Are they still there then?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: The energy is there, but neurosis not there. That's the differences.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061#t=3256.0,3328.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061/transcript/87914/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 9]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: Rinpoche, is it possible to deal with emotions using that principle?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I don't see why not. I don't see why you are asking such thing? [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: How do you-- what about-- how do you develop the detachment to [INAUDIBLE]?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Detachment, did you say?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I don't see why you are become detached, particularly. In fact you should be more loving to your energy. That they are working situation, workable situation in any case. And if you begin to realize they are workable situations, then they begin to give *you* some kind of guidelines as well. So the whole thing becomes a mutual project, rather than something out of it, you're trying to win over something else.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061#t=3328.0,3394.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061/transcript/87914/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 10]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Somebody who is there?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: How-- well it seemed like-- how do you relate with your neurosis?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What you mean by that?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: Well, it seems to be in the same realm, relating with your emotions.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, emotions *are* neurosis, as we talked about, but they are not regarded as bad or good. But you try to find the *nature* of the neurosis, of the emotions, rather than manifestations. Manifestations being killing somebody, making love to somebody, or throwing somebody out your house, you know.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: You seem to say follow it down to its roots.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Roots, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: How do you do that?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You just do it. When you begin to ask how you do it, you're asking for sedatives, or gloves, or hammers or pliers. \"How you do that [so] that I don't get my hands get greasy, if I'm going to unscrew this thing on my car? Should I use, you know, gloves?\" [Laughter] There's no \"how.\" You just do it. And that's *also* the trust in buddha nature, that you are going to pick up intelligent guidelines within yourself. If you been cornered enough, you're going to do it. That's the whole point. That everybody is able to do anything, as sanity goes. Everybody able to act out of basic sanity, enlightened fashion, in *any* case. But nobody trusted them they can do it; that's the problem. There's a lot of hypocrisy goes on. Self-destroying things happening. Which is largely based on the idea of self-condemnation: that a man is basically condemned. That's a problem. I'm sure we can do it. We-- I've seen people can do it. I did it *myself*. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061#t=3394.0,3558.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061/transcript/87914/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 11]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: Are you saying that this ever-present force, energy, is the same thing as crazy wisdom?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Ever-present--?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: Force, energy?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well ever-present force is the basic field, the ground where crazy wisdom begin to dance on it. The wisdom's there, but crazy wisdom is acting. In the tantric iconographical picture, that talks about the shakta and the shakti, that the basic figure and consort, who activates the energy of the consort.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061#t=3558.0,3615.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061/transcript/87914/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 12]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: You said that the three marks of existence are used for inspiration in tantra, and I was wondering whether the six paramitas of the bodhisattva do that-- have to do a similar thing? Or are they all--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. We could discuss that, as we got to discuss more about tantra in our next day or few days. We could discuss about that as well. Yeah, it does. I mean the virtuousness of tantra-- of the mahayana path, of the six paramitas, begin to transform into entirely different area. That they are no longer purely virtuous. But they are crazy wisdom expressions, begin to happen.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061#t=3615.0,3664.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061/transcript/87914/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 13]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: Can Zen practice have any connection with tantra?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That is the question. [Laughter] Zen practice is a yogacharin meditative development that had developed in China and Japan. And beyond that, there is madhyamaka philosophy that had developed, beyond the Zen tradition -- or Zen philosophy of the yogacharan. But the craziness of the Zen tradition which leads towards madhyamaka path, which a lot of Zen masters have managed to create as well. Like burning Buddha image and tearing of their textbooks and so forth, are expressions of crazy wisdom. Purely, strictly, in the madhyamaka style, rather than tantric style. So, Zen tradition is crazy wisdom of the sutra teachings, or the mahayana, rather than tantrayana. Which brings us to tantrayana. But rather than lead the way, rather than tantra itself. But hardly you can say Zen is tantra; that's impossible. Zen *isn't* tantra, Zen is Zen. Tantra is tantra. You cannot say Zen is tantra. There's never enough tantrum [laughter; laughs], to become tantra.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061#t=3664.0,3788.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061/transcript/87914/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 14]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: In hinayana and mahayana they talk about the middle way. Is tantra also on the middle way, or does it turn that upside down, or is it a kind of reverse?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Tantra is regarded as extreme way, [laughter] rather than middle way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061#t=3788.0,3813.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061/transcript/87914/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 15]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER16: Would you say that's a kind of reverse asceticism?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, reverse, yeah, yeah, reverse. Definitely so. You see there is basically a Buddhist tradition there is you have the sutra teaching which consist of hinayana and the mahayana. And there's tantric teaching of tantra of the six yanas. So at this point that tantra is reverse of anything that happened, including the hinayana approach. So tantra believes in duality, whereas mahayana believes in nonduality, middle way. Tantra believes in extreme paths. Like you have four orders of tantra, which consist of the father tantra, mother tantra, and the neutral tantra, transcending tantra, and so forth. Which are aggression tantra, passion tantra, ignorant tantra, transcending ignorant, aggression, becoming all of them together. Which are very gutsy, if I may say so. [Laughter] Very straightforward.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061#t=3813.0,3888.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061/transcript/87914/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 16]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER16: Okay, I have one more question then. Before his enlightenment, Buddha was practicing asceticism, and he almost destroyed himself fasting. In its reverse asceticism, extremism, does tantra also have the danger of being self-destructive?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes. Unless you follow the whole three-yana principle beforehand, which I've been trying to say constantly, again and again. You cannot practice tantra unless you start on hinayana and mahayana, before you get tantra. You can't get into it *at all*. Otherwise tantra becomes a spiritual atomic bomb. [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061#t=3888.0,3941.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061/transcript/87914/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 17]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER17: How does tantra relate to-- or how does it derive from the teachings of the Buddha? As they've been passed down through sutras and so on.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What you mean?\r\n\r\n\r\nAUDIENCE: Can you speak louder?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER17: I'm sorry. My question is, basically, can tantra actually be considered as Buddhism? How does-- what is the connection between tantric philosophy, and the teachings of the Buddha as they were presented?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think [UNCLEAR: highlight? highly?] of it. The tantra *is* Buddha's teaching. Because Buddha as Shakyamuni is a purely physical manifestation, and his speech and his mind are represented in the two stages of tantra, that any expressions of crazy wisdom, or basic sanity, could be related with the Buddha's teaching. To begin with, they are not deceptive. And moreover, that they are workable, accordance with the all the yanas that Buddha has presented. That, as I said, that if you become good hinayanist, you become good mahayanist. If you become good mahayanist you become tantric practitioner. Following those logics; that Buddha *is* heruka, or the dharmakaya principle.\r\n\r\n\r\nIn any case, there is one particular story of the Buddha, that he was approached by King Indrabhuti, invited. The King Indrabhuti is-- was having his bath on his rooftop of his palace. He saw those orange birds flying in the sky, and he was-- he asked his minister who they were. And minister, \"They are not bird, they were Buddha and his disciples flying.\" And, \"How could I invite them to my palace, teach me the truth?\" And the wise minister said, \"You can invite them. Prepare seat, food, and they will come.\" And the King did so, that Buddha came.\r\n\r\n\r\nAnd the first question that King Indrabhuti asked was that, \"I cannot give up my sensory pleasures. I cannot give up my kingdom. I want you to teach something that I can *transmute* my pleasures into wisdom.\" And the Buddha responded to him by saying, \"That's fine. I would like to kick out my orthodox disciples, arhats.\" So they been kicked out of the palace, of the teaching realm. That Buddha formed himself into heruka, of-- he created Guhyasamaja mantra-- mudra-- or chakra. And he hold seven days instruction on the how to transmute basic energy, ordinary energy, confused energy into wisdom energy. And that seem to be the basic story of tantra, is that Buddha was concerned not only just abandoning the whole thing, but relating with it, as well that he went on, his teaching.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061#t=3941.0,4203.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061/transcript/87914/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 18]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER18: Somehow the term \"enlightenment\" hasn't come up in these discussions. And I don't particularly miss it, but is there a place for it? [Laughter] Is there a point where you say \"Well, once you're-- you can't get into *that* yana unless you're enlightened.\" Or some kind of [INAUDIBLE]?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think so, somewhat, yeah. Depends on what you mean by \"enlightenment\", as the yanas begin to change.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER18: Well, when the Buddha speaks of: as the wick in the lamp goes out, and is extinguished, right? That seems like some kind of cutoff point, some kind of definite..\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: But still it's enlightenment.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER18: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: If you think enlightenment is something-- enlightenment is something secure and there's nothing. There's no wick, there's no burn, there's no lamp. If you regard enlightenment as something that continues, that flames of the light, or the lamp, takes its position back again and again, as spark of electricity, then there's always room for enlightenment. [Laughs] But it doesn't have to be nursed, as being too precious one, as such. It comes and goes, comes and goes, so forth.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061#t=4203.0,4315.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061/transcript/87914/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 19]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER20: Rinpoche, what's that word you used before about the ever-present energy?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER20: You used a word before that you equated with ever-present energy.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I don't remember.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER20: \"Chindalea\" [ed.: mispronounces \"chandali\"] or [INAUDIBLE] it very early on.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm?\r\n\r\n\r\nAUDIENCE: Chandali.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER20: Chandalay?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Chandali?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER 20: Is that it?.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Chandali is an energy force. Literally means the \"consumer\"; that which consumes universe.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER20: It means the universe itself consuming itself?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No. That which eats up the universe.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER20: What does that?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What doesn't? [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER20: Nothing, that's why I say it's that universe consumes itself--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's it, yeah. You got it. Gesundheit. [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061#t=4315.0,4380.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061/transcript/87914/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: CLOSING]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think we should end our meeting tonight. Goodnight! [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061#t=4380.0,4378.55213"}]},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061/transcript/87915","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["19730522VCTR1-Captions [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061/transcript/87915/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"CTI SLATE: This is the\nVenerable Chogyam\nTrungpa Rinpoche,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061#t=0.75,4.48"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061/transcript/87915/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"public seminar entitled\nThe Nine Yanas I,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061#t=4.48,9.84"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061/transcript/87915/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"held in\nSan Francisco, California.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061#t=9.842,13.163"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061/transcript/87915/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This is talk number five,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061#t=13.163,15.69"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061/transcript/87915/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\"Overcoming Moralism,\"\nrecorded on May 22st, 1973.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061#t=15.69,23.02"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061/transcript/87915/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This is a CTI custom\nremaster made May 2025.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061#t=23.02,30.76"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061/transcript/87915/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: In order\nto continue\nwhat we have 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problem","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061#t=38.15,42.26"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061/transcript/87915/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that a lot of people\njoined us halfway through.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061#t=42.26,52.96"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061/transcript/87915/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And they didn't have a 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Sam?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061#t=2682.45,2684.7"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061/transcript/87915/annotation/443","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SAM BERCHOLZ: Once before,\na couple of years back,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061#t=2684.7,2686.4"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061/transcript/87915/annotation/444","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"you were talking about drugs\nand the drug 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Ever-present--?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061#t=3564.63,3566.21"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061/transcript/87915/annotation/611","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER12: Force, energy?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061#t=3566.21,3569.47"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061/transcript/87915/annotation/612","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well ever-present\nforce is the basic 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all*.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061#t=3923.93,3928.19"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061/transcript/87915/annotation/679","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Otherwise tantra becomes\na spiritual atomic bomb.\n[Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061#t=3928.19,3938.56"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061/transcript/87915/annotation/680","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER17: How does tantra\nrelate 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louder?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061#t=3958.14,3960.12"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061/transcript/87915/annotation/685","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER17: I'm sorry.\nMy question is, basically,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061#t=3960.12,3966.61"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061/transcript/87915/annotation/686","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"can tantra actually\nbe considered as Buddhism?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061#t=3966.61,3969.9"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061/transcript/87915/annotation/687","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"How does--\nwhat is the connection\nbetween tantric philosophy,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061#t=3969.9,3975.17"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061/transcript/87915/annotation/688","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and the teachings of the Buddha\nas they were presented?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061#t=3975.17,3983.78"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061/transcript/87915/annotation/689","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think\n[UNCLEAR: highlight? highly?]\nof it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061#t=3983.78,3987.06"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/164315/file/299061/transcript/87915/annotation/690","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The tantra *is*\nBuddha's 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