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We cannot understand the higher mandala principle until we realize the samsaric mandala. Therefore, we need to see the ground upon which orderly chaos happens. This means relating to our samsaric conflict. We are regularly preparing to battle the world with a mentality of gain and loss. This is the background of our life and also the ground of the mandala. Nevertheless, there is also space there. That space is a total energy is nowness. It's like we're sitting on the edge of a razor blade, which is sharpened by primordial intelligence."]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication"]},"value":{"en":["BOOK: Orderly Chaos","BOOK: Collected Works Vol 06"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication Details"]},"value":{"en":["BOOK: ORDERLY CHAOS: Part 1, Chapter 2: The Razor's Edge\u003cbr\u003e\n-- from \u003ca href=\"https://www.shambhala.com/orderly-chaos-1128.html\"\u003eShambhala Publications\u003c/a\u003e\n\nBOOK: COLLECTED WORKS VOL 6 (in contained book ORDERLY CHAOS)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Transcription Credits"]},"value":{"en":["Jul 05 2023 to Nov 11 2023\nTranscribing: Ella Milligan\nChecking: Blaire Martin\nFinal Proof: Julia McKaig\nOther Contributors: Lynn Friedman, Warner Dick"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["© Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced"]}},{"label":{"en":["Year"]},"value":{"en":["1972"]}}],"summary":{"en":["About the ground of the samsaric, or confused, mandala. We cannot understand the higher mandala principle until we realize the samsaric mandala. Therefore, we need to see the ground upon which orderly chaos happens. This means relating to our samsaric conflict. We are regularly preparing to battle the world with a mentality of gain and loss. This is the background of our life and also the ground of the mandala. Nevertheless, there is also space there. That space is a total energy is nowness. It's like we're sitting on the edge of a razor blade, which is sharpened by primordial intelligence."]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["© Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced"]}},"provider":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["Chogyam Trungpa Digital Library"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["Chogyam Trungpa Digital Library"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/209/original/cti-library-logo-blue-text.png?1672724952","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/283/802/small/Logo-Audio-Red.png?1754164349","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 1 - 1754164325_19720822vctr1-audio-prod-ctiautormstr-access.mp3"]},"duration":2688.39181,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/283/802/small/Logo-Audio-Red.png?1754164349","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802/content/1/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-cti.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/283/802/original/1754164325_19720822vctr1-audio-prod-ctiautormstr-access.mp3?1754164327","type":"Audio","format":"audio/mpeg","duration":2688.39181,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802/transcript/82191","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["19720822VCTR1-Transcript [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802/transcript/82191/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[19720822VCTR1 - Public Seminar - Karme Choling - Mandala: The Structure of Unconditioned Energy - Talk 2]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]\r\n\r\n\r\nARP SLATE: This is the Venerable Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, seminar entitled Mandala, the Structure of Unconditioned Energy, held at Tail of the Tiger, Vermont. This is talk number two, August 22nd, 1972. This is an ARP digital remaster made October 2006.\r\n\r\n\r\nORIGINAL SLATE: Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, seminar on mandala, Tail of the Tiger, August 1972, second talk.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802#t=0.0,34.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802/transcript/82191/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: MAIN TALK]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: In terms of what we discussed last night, the idea of mandala, the problem here seem to be is that idea of mandala is being extraordinary abstract, metaphysical, philosophical principle. And we can't understand, we can't learn of that, unless there's some emphasis made on the pragmatic way of looking at the idea of mandala. Working base, or something -- how to identify ourselves with the basic mandala principle, how this idea could be a learning process or practicing process, and so forth. And as we have discussed last night, that only way to relate with that is to relate with the basic ground in which the mandala exists.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802#t=34.0,102.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802/transcript/82191/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The word \"mandala\" is -- means literally -- \"association, society\". Tibetan word for mandala is \"kyilkhor.\" \"Kyil\" means \"center\", \"khor\" means the \"fringe\", \"gestalt\", \"area around it\". It's a way of looking at a situation, terms of relative situation: if that exists, this exist; if this exist, that exist -- interdependent situation. And that existence of things being in the fashion of orderly chaos. We have all kinds of orderly chaos. We have the domestic orderly chaos, and we have the emotional, love-affair orderly chaos, and we have the spiritual orderly chaos; even attainment enlightenment has orderly chaos of its own. So it's a question of orderly chaos of different types that we're relating with it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802#t=102.0,196.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802/transcript/82191/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But before we discuss the idea of orderly chaos itself, that we have to also discuss the area in which this orderly chaos is happening -- what particular basic area this orderly chaos is happening. Before we realize it is orderly -- and before we realize it is chaos -- there is some basic ground, some basic area in which that chaos is happening orderly, in its own pattern, constantly. And *that* ground is what we are actually concerned with in discussing about the mandala, in terms of how to wake ourselves, how to practice, how to relate with the day-to-day situation, and so forth.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802#t=196.0,250.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802/transcript/82191/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Before we discuss that, I would like to make the whole thing very clear, that we cannot discuss the higher mandala principle until that we realize the samsaric or confused mandala situation, or the confused orderly chaos, and so on. The basic situation is that, because that we're involved with struggle in our life -- that we're trying to win over somebody, or that we would like to get rid of our enemy, and we would like to acknowledge our friends, and trying to fight environment, or trying to indulge in the environment. And that is it depends on whether we live in the city or whether we live in the country.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802#t=250.0,316.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802/transcript/82191/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There's all kinds of areas of pick and choose constantly involved. That's the basic area where the orderly chaos is taking place. So in other word, spirituality -- from a superficial point of view of being \"good\" -- is based on idea of, put things into harmonious situation. And somehow that doesn't apply, in terms of a mandala idea. The idea is not so much to put things into harmonious situation and make less active, but relating with what's happening -- upheavals that goes on, struggles that goes on, trying to survive, trying to earn more dollars or whatever, and get more food, get more room, space, roof, food. If you are living in the suburbs or certain areas in a city which is extraordinarily oppressive, possibilities of rape and murder is automatically taken granted, and things happens in its own accord. And one never knows what's the beginning, what's the end, how to proceed. As soon as you wake in the morning, that you find that you're ready to fight the world. Breakfast is preparation, magic potion, [laughter] so that you can fight the world. Having breakfast after breakfast, go out and fight the world.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802#t=316.0,466.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802/transcript/82191/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There's something very interesting and beautiful thing about that simplicity of, that you are preparing your warfare -- begin to fight. You are expect that you're going to get attacked and you're going to defend yourself or you're going to attack somebody else and they're going to defend. So you have to encounter that struggle, [laughs] or whatever, what kind of mentality that you are. Nevertheless, the whole, total picture there is struggle, fight, gain and loss. That kind of basic mentality that does exist, whether you live in a town or whether you live in the country, that mentality goes on always. There is a sense of total environment of abstract struggle. Not struggle for some thing, or particular syndicate or whatever, but there is a total sense of imprisonment -- that world has captured you, and you have to live for it, and you have to fight for it, as though that you are behind iron bars. Or even if you are in it, literally, it's same thing. Sense of imprisonment is always there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802#t=466.0,548.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802/transcript/82191/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That is the basic ground of mandala principle, before the orderly chaos begin to happen. That total area of depression, total area of excitement, and total area of expressing one's richness or expressing one's poverty, whatever. that fundamentally, that something is holding us onto a particular place. That fundamental, whole totality of grayness -- or black-and-whiteness, whatever, depends on the people -- is interesting, extraordinarily beautiful, if one might use such term. Beautiful -- I don't mean in terms of pleasurable alone, but it is extraordinarily awake ground, alert ground. Everybody is alert, willing to fight, or willing to attack, willing to make money and trying to struggle with the living situation, whatever. That whole, total energy that we're involved with -- totality of some *thing* -- is just about take place constantly all the time. As though underground gossip had sent its message around it, and everybody's decided to be prepared for it. The five-minutes warning is there already, all over the place. That kind of tentative flicker-ness, possible chaos, possible gift of God. One can look at from both ends, possible excitement and possible depression, whatever, there is something goes in background of the whole situation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802#t=548.0,669.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802/transcript/82191/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Now, reason why I mention this is because that situation is not solid space, it's actual space. And that we could feel a sense of space-ness all the time there. There is some element of free will always there. No matter whether we feel that we are trapped in, or whether we are compelled to do certain things, but nevertheless, that we feel that the decision, and spaciousness, is-- belongs to us. Sense of space, sense of something is taking place, which is a very abstract point, very difficult relate with it, of course, if we look at from that way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802#t=669.0,724.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802/transcript/82191/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That total energy, total creative, total destructive is, what one might call it is: nowness. Nowness, in the sense that, we are in attunement with what's happening there. Past is fiction and the future is dream and we are just living on the brink of razor blade at that point. Extraordinarily sharp, extraordinarily tentative and quivering. Trying to establish its ground but ground isn't solid enough because it too sharp. We are quivering between the, that and this.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802#t=724.0,777.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802/transcript/82191/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Living on the razor blade means living on the total space, at the same time, because possibilities that might cut through, it might destroy you, and possibilities that you might be able to avoid that razor blade. Nevertheless, saying the same thing at this point. And that sense of razor blade sharpness is very interesting one, extraordinarily interesting one. That's what we call intelligence, primordial intelligence. You feel the razor blade of sharpness and its cutting quality. You sense that, you feel that, and also you want to run away from that. You'd rather sit on-- you'd rather wish to perch on something which is much more solid, like perching on the toilet seat; [laughter] there's no razor blade. But such invitation is becomes a fantasy at that point, when we're on the razor blade. That's the basic intelligence begin to sense areas of impossible, but still possibilities happens all the time, at same time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802#t=777.0,862.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802/transcript/82191/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's paradox from that sense. In fact, it is -- could be said -- a gift of God that we haven't been presented with a comfortable toilet seat to perch on. Instead, we being presented with a razor blade to sit on. You never perch on a razor blade, [laughter] you just *be* on it with attentiveness. Expression of space, of the all other areas, that razor blade is a *space* to sit on. The rest of area's a solid space, a comfortable one; or else the razor blade is a threatening situation, and rest of area's inviting, whatever it may be. That sense of being there fully, and there's nothing about being tentative at all. Whole thing becomes extraordinarily powerful and spaciousness, which is the-- discussing idea of enlightenment of the transcendental aspect of the mandala, and that of the samsaric aspect of mandala are whirlpool -- are taking place in the same areas of razor blade.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802#t=862.0,962.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802/transcript/82191/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And this is not one razor blade that is there, but the path is also filled with razor blade -- that you have nowhere to walk. One wishes you have the yogic path of levitating, trying to avoid these razor blades, but we find that we haven't acquired that, yet. If we acquired that, then quite possibly there wouldn't be razor blade at all, so that's saying the same thing. It's something more than irritation, in terms of our psychological mentality, whatever it's called. And whole approach to life, from that point of view, is penetratingly sharp -- unavoidable at the same time, cutting. We could say that's the living discussion-- description of \"life contains pain.\" According to Buddhism, that definition of existence of life is the truth of suffering, which is the razor blade. And truth of origin of suffering is, find out there *is* razor blade. And then there is a goal which is how to see razor blade \"as the path,\" or else how to diminish them. But one cannot use magical powers of anything at all, from that point of view. One have to face the reality in its fullest truthful nature -- straightforward.\r\n\r\n\r\nWe could have discussions on that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802#t=962.0,1080.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802/transcript/82191/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 1]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: Rinpoche, you're saying that, in regard to our suffering, let's say, a growing awareness that we think about the past and then we dream about the future-- future possibilities. As our awareness of these things -- that we're caught up in this -- grows, and we begin to feel our pain more and more, with realizing that we're like this, that then there's a question of: what's the approach that one should take to this growing awareness of pain. And then instead of trying to do away with it, we have to get into it, sort of-- and sort of just dig that that's the way we are, and see it more and more. And that-- is that what you're talking about?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well you see, the point is not to philosophize. That, that's the effect; therefore, whether you accept it or reject it, that's our bad luck. One doesn't approach from that angle particularly at all. But the pain contains a very interesting level of subtlety. That the pain-- to begin, what do really mean by pain? Is this physical pain or is this psychological pain? In terms of physical pain, that it is somewhat connected with the attitude towards our body, attitude towards your environment. So in other word, that pain contains a mystical experience within itself -- if we could use such word, \"mystical\". In other word, if you relate with the pain in its fullest sense, there's a tremendous depth in pain. One begin to realize the cutting quality of the razor edge of the pain, which severs the beliefs of \"this and that\" that it cuts right through you. When you experience really, truly psychological pain as it is, you have no room to make-- conceptualize ideas of \"that\" and \"this\" anymore at all. That you just experience pain fully and directly.\r\n\r\n\r\nAnd it's a question of not just accepting as a philosophy that one should be equilibrium, and accept the pain as random and just purely sit on it, but something more than that, intelligent way of relating with the pain. Is pain is there because of you. And you try to struggle with the pain. Who is going to win? Whether you win or the pain wins. And those battle, between you and the pain, is unnecessary; whereas if you become the pain completely without *you* then pain’s function becomes nothing. It's just energy, it's just sharpness of something -- which might cut through but still, it's not anymore pain as we know it. You see, in other word, we don't experience pain as pain at all. We only experience the *challenge* of the pain, who's going to win over pain. That's why we feel pain; because we feel we're going to lose our territory and the pain is going to take over us. That's the *real* pain begins in the ordinary level. So if we give up that struggle or battle, and if we become the pain completely, fully So then, \"Pain is me. I am the pain.\" That’s what-- exactly what Buddha means by duhkha, suffering, as being *truth* of suffering. There is truth in suffering, which is a self-existing truth, rather than observed truth, in terms of relative notion.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: Does that mean that you accept that the truth of the pain, that you are in pain, will be transforming? You trust?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Somewhat, yeah. You could say, transform into a sharpness or energy, rather than pain in terms of challenge.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802#t=1080.0,1386.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802/transcript/82191/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 2]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Could you-- would you mind explaining what the masochism-- the function of masochism or hypochondria could be, in this sense?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. That's to say that hypochondriac or masochism, of two ends, still related with the challenge as a battlefield. And still let yourself be challenged, which is not actually identifying with the pain and whatever. It's, somewhat, you're dealing with the fringe alone, and you haven't experienced pain in its fullest sense at all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802#t=1386.0,1431.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802/transcript/82191/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 3]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: What about asceticism, perhaps? Where you put yourself into what we would normally call painful situations. How does that relate to, say, day-day-day psychological pain?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: I mean you choose to-- you consciously choose, you know, to put yourself into a certain situation that may be uncomfortable and have hardships.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I mean, asceticism has an entirely different approach to the pain. Because the pain is going to benefit you rather than that you're rejecting or you're feeling bad about your pain, which is very interesting point. It's like mothers would enjoy enormously of its labor pain, because that means something to them. They're going to give birth. Or, like, experiencing or perching on the diarrhea pain; [laughter] that you got rid of your diarrhea. This experience of pain is worthwhile. [Laughter] That you give some birth, you got your system clean and out completely, and you got rid of it. That kind of pain is connected with the idea of asceticism, at that same point. That, \"This is worthwhile experiencing.\" And, \"Let's do it. Let's get through it.\"\r\n\r\n\r\nBut at the same time, it has a very suspicious situation, actually, extraordinarily suspicious one. Asceticism exists for purely for its own sake, or asceticism is way of openness, experiencing pain in its fullest sense. Which is transcending asceticism point and just becoming a simple person. Like the notion of \"anagarika\" which means \"homeless one\". True anagarika, true homeless; or false homeless, because you still get some feedback because you gave up your home. Therefore, your homelessness provides home for you to be in. Which is extraordinary, very subtle point. So asceticism, in other word, is regarded as giving up without taking anything new, anew; or with asceticism it's just purely opening yourself, simplifying yourself, not questioning what you get back in return. That seem to be the two different approaches.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802#t=1431.0,1593.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802/transcript/82191/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 4]\r\n\r\n\r\nROBIN KORNMAN: Rinpoche, sometimes pain comes as a warning, such as a pain which may indicate a disease -- seeing pain as pain. Does that block you from taking it as a warning as well? From acting upon it?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Which one are you talking about?\r\n\r\n\r\nROBIN KORNMAN: Which pain?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, which pain?\r\n\r\n\r\nROBIN KORNMAN: Well, a physical pain, or perhaps-- mainly physical pains. But also, I think, sometimes psychological pains may indicate a problem to be dealt with. If you have a pain in your chest, it could be because you have cancer. Then identifying with the pain -- seeing it as pain, and not just as a challenge -- would that keep me from skillfully relating to it in the physical world? I should go see a doctor.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well you see, that's the whole point. You don't regard relating with the pain as ascetic practice. You regard the pain as just pain. You could go and see a doctor. Sure, that's fine. But your relationship with the pain would still be there, always.\r\n\r\n\r\nROBIN KORNMAN: Would it-- sometimes it seems to me that you have to take the pain as a challenge or else there's no real energy for you to react to it. Like if you stick your hand in a pot of boiling water, you have to-- it has to be a challenge to you or else you won't whip your hand out. You'll think, \"Ah, this is pain. My hand must be burning.\" and take it out too slowly.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It sounds like whole thing is that we will develop another cult [laughter] of transmutation of the pain. That doesn't work. [Laughter] That is becoming dogma again, unfortunately.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802#t=1593.0,1724.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802/transcript/82191/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 5]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: Well isn't the first dose of pain a challenge in any case? I mean, is this a challenge to fight it, or is it a challenge to surrender to it?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Both.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: So what? [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: Well you said not to regard it as a challenge, necessarily. That we should--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No, that's true. [Unknown gesture or incident;  laughter] Not regard it as a challenge. There we are.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: So what? [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Up to you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802#t=1724.0,1771.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802/transcript/82191/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 6]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: Well the basic Buddhist conception--\r\n\r\n\r\nAUDIENCE: Louder?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: The basic Buddhist conception is that the world is a world of pain. But how do you rate, for instance, the relative levels of pain? I mean how would you relate, for instance, the pain being suffered by the audience sitting here on a bright sunny day in a tent to, say, the pain of the Vietnamese who are getting bombed?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Depends on your intelligence, your discriminating awareness. That the pain of sitting in the sun is not as painful as that you get bombed. Very simple. [Laughter] I mean obviously there's differences. But we are not talking about the differences-- we are not talking about forgetting the differences but we are talking about pain as it is, in its innate nature, which doesn't stop us running away from bombing area. *Avoiding* pain. Like the notion of putting your hand in the hot water; one doesn't do that. [laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: More or less, you're saying pain is a reality then? And kind of acceptance of that? Or--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I wouldn't say-- I mean when we talk about acceptance, it sounds so much misleading; that with regards of whatever other questions we have involved. I wouldn't say acceptance, from that sense. \"Just let experience of pain, and let's learn from it. Do it very slowly... and surely. Put our hands in hot water.\" [laughter] It's a *trip* rather than dharma or the teaching. There should be precision at the same time. Definitely seeing things as they are, fully and truly, as it might be -- which we don't understand -- but still, that you have to be a sensible person.\r\n\r\n\r\nIn other word, the dharma couldn't be heard unless you're a sensible person. And the reason why dharma has been distorted is because you're unreasonable person. That you begin to lay your trips on each particular little truth that there might be, and you find yourself going to sidetracks, making that into bending the law, bending the dharma. When dharma says \"Try and approach the right way,\" then you turn *into* the right way, which is sidetrack, rather than right side of the path, or the left side. [Laughs; laughter] It gets very confused at that point. \"Right\" doesn't mean to say that you have to turn off the sidetrack, that you go on the right. [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802#t=1771.0,1952.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802/transcript/82191/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 7]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: It seems that in psychological situations that are sometimes painful, that you go with it and see it to the end, that it-- and you just sort of stay with it. That eventually it turns into nothing because it ends. And what I don't understand there is, you know, what is the significance of that possibility? Because I can see trying to be aware of, you know, oneself in the situation -- but it ends.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well the point is, you don't try to be aware of the situation, and you don't regard the whole thing as that-- as though you are a scientist who's viewing the path into microscope.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: No, I don't mean that, really. I mean just living it. I mean it ends, eventually. So it ends, and then something else comes up.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: But still, you are looking at yourself ending it. It's much more subtle than just purely crude microscope that you are looking into. There's all kinds of subtleties of how might you look at as possible way out, or possible learning situation -- in order to just purely keep record of it, which is extraordinary difficult thing to do. As soon as we feel that we are doing something, other word, we are practicing, we are dharma-mongers. [Laughter] Then something happens which is not *quite* onto the point, you know -- observed rather than felt. Becomes very subtle, extraordinarily subtle, but equally it's obvious at the same time. So to realize whether you are dharma-monger or not, seems to be the point.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802#t=1952.0,2088.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802/transcript/82191/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 8]\r\n\r\n\r\nROBIN KORNMAN: Rinpoche, it sounds like it would be very easy to fall into a kind of Calvinist approach to pain, that sort of congratulating yourself on how much of it you're feeling and seeing, [INAUDIBLE]--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, yeah. I mean that's the whole point, is if you regarded the pain as pain, or pain as part of your projection, that's entirely different area. If you regard the pain as just pain, something coming from outside, challenge, but still giving into it, that is very subtle. Whether you regard pain as something that is there, part of your state of mind, and that you're not give-- you're not going to feed the pain anymore -- that's entirely new matter, another matter altogether.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802#t=2088.0,2135.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802/transcript/82191/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 9]\r\n\r\n\r\nJEREMY HAYWARD: Well since you say that pain is there all the time, would that mean that if you're-- if at some time you're not feeling pain, particularly -- psychological pain -- that you're more asleep? Or whether that in a sense, to try to seek the painful aspect of a situation would be to try to be more awake?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. I suppose so, yeah. But that is very, very dangerous to say that, I'm afraid. [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802#t=2135.0,2170.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802/transcript/82191/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 10]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: Rinpoche, what about the pain that has to do with the distance we, or like, I might feel between you and me, just the pain about there being, a sort of, distance?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well that's, again, it's saying the same thing, exactly. That you're trying to live with your expectations of how might not this problem come about.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: Or within the house, the pain between the people there--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, it's the same thing. That something not feeding you, something not comforting you. It's, in other word, the discomfort is just about to take you over. And one is trying to fight that, rather than that you're really actually concerned with the distance between object of communication -- like between you and me, whatever. That seem to be out of the question at the time. It's-- that's your relation with the pain becomes a problem, at this point. With the pretense of some logic which might happen, you know, hovering about in your logical state of mind. Which has really nothing to do with it, in fact. It's that we feel our pain is problematic from that point of view.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802#t=2170.0,2259.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802/transcript/82191/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 11]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: So is this the difference between an active and a passive approach to pain? Active being, \"I'm going to figure out-- I'm going to develop a way of reacting to this pain so that I can be more aware.\" And passive being just feeling?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I don't think there is any differences. It seem to be same thing at the same time. Because wherever there's nature of pain, or duhkha, happens, occurred, it has entirely same style and same approaches. That \"something's just about to take me over and I have to resist that.\" And then there is logical mind: \"This happens because somebody's ill-treat me or somebody has rejected me,\" whatever. But that's the facade, in fact. That sense of that, \"somebody is might take me over, how to regain my power, in terms of my being and my consciousness, my emotions\" -- that seem to be crucial matter of the point. The logic of that, \"He killed my father, therefore I should kill him,\" or whatever, is out of the question. That's just *excuse*, in fact. That has nothing to do with the pain at all, in fact. Actual pain is that, that sense of something had to be overcomed, something had to be conquered is-- in other word, whole idea of pain is fighting yourself, fighting your concept with your intellect-- the war between the intellect and the concept. Intellect and intuition, in other word, together.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802#t=2259.0,2361.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802/transcript/82191/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 12]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: In terms of pain, I have a feeling that there is, you know, real suffering and misery in this world, and that all of these things that we've been saying about a--\r\n\r\n\r\nAUDIENCE: Louder?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: --more of a state of mind, sometimes feels to me like a thousand dollar bills that I can't spend to do anything about it.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You do what?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: That these points of view don't enable us to anything about actual real suffering in this world such as--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Sure, you could.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: --in Vietnam.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think you could do lot. The problem why there is chaos of struggle, in terms of pain in the world, is because that we haven't come to terms with what is actually pain, ourselves, personally. If we come to terms with, or understanding with terms, pain in our own innate nature, we deal situation directly. Then, in other word, it becomes pain-- less pain. It becomes purely chaos, orderly chaos. So pain doesn't have to be there.\r\n\r\n\r\nIf you want to stop the war in Vietnam, or something like that, you don't have to stop *your* pain of the Vietnamese version, or American version, of the antagonistic approach. You relate with your own antagonism, you relate with your own war in Vietnam, of your own innate war that goes on between you and your projections. If you solve that problem, if you relate with that as transmuting process, then it will be much easier to solve the problem that does exist in the diplomatic level or international affairs, which becomes purely a bundle of instance which occurred out of orderly logic and end result was chaos. So that orderly chaos happens all the time, so one can handle beautifully at that point. Problem is that we cannot keep track of it -- is because we regard so much of our own projections as national trip or international trip, and we lost track of it politically, from that point of view.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802#t=2361.0,2511.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802/transcript/82191/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 13]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: Could you spell out a little more how-- just how that increased consciousness would actually bring about a lessening of the suffering for--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I mean, you see the whole thing is a very slow process, unfortunately. But conquering yourself is greater than conquering somebody else, because you have really got your foot on the ground if you conquer yourself. There's no question about it now. You could obviously conquer the others because you have your foot on the ground. But it takes very slowly -- very, very slow process, but at the same time don't try to speed it up. There's possibilities you're losing your own ground if you speed it up. And it's a very arduous journey. At the beginning the journey is very slow, as we develop further it might become more speedily, but don't trust on that too much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802#t=2511.0,2568.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802/transcript/82191/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 14]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: Rinpoche, you said -- in speaking of pain, and the pain as we're relating it to ourself, that we having-- that we're having a reference point and that's the experiencing of the pain. And that relating to the pain, as you were saying, seem to be relating to it without the self, without a reference point. And yet that would seem that there would be-- does that go all the time? That-- and if you began relating without the reference point, then I would think it would be creating less pain, since it's the reference point that is the basis for the creation of the pain in the first place. Does that go on simultaneously all the time?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think so, yeah. I think so. But at the same time, if you rely upon the promises, then you're destroying the whole thing.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: If you...?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Rely on the promises -- \"this is going to be reassurance for you\" -- then the whole thing is fucked up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802#t=2568.0,2650.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802/transcript/82191/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 15]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: Rinpoche, in the daily life, how does one apply straightforwardly? You know, practically?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, you see black as black and white as white. There's no philosophy about it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802#t=2650.0,2678.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802/transcript/82191/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: CLOSING REMARKS]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It's twenty-to-seven. [Laughter] I think I should stop this point. Thank you.\r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802#t=2678.0,2688.39181"}]},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802/transcript/82192","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["19720822VCTR1-Captions [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802/transcript/82192/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ARP SLATE: This is the\nVenerable Chogyam\nTrungpa Rinpoche,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802#t=0.65,4.16"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802/transcript/82192/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"seminar entitled Mandala,\nthe Structure\nof Unconditioned Energy,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802#t=4.16,7.46"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802/transcript/82192/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"held at Tail\nof the Tiger, Vermont.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802#t=7.46,9.49"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802/transcript/82192/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This is talk number two,\nAugust 22nd, 1972.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802#t=9.49,14.71"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802/transcript/82192/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This is an ARP digital remaster\nmade October 2006.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802#t=14.71,20.49"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802/transcript/82192/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ORIGINAL SLATE: Chogyam Trungpa\nRinpoche,\nseminar on mandala,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802#t=20.49,24.93"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802/transcript/82192/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tail of the Tiger,\nAugust 1972, second talk.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802#t=24.93,31.51"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802/transcript/82192/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: In terms of what\nwe discussed last night,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802#t=34.22,36.4"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802/transcript/82192/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the idea of mandala,\nthe problem here seem to be","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802#t=36.4,43.37"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802/transcript/82192/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"is that idea of mandala\nis being extraordinary abstract,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802#t=43.37,51.11"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802/transcript/82192/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"metaphysical,\nphilosophical principle.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802#t=51.11,58.12"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802/transcript/82192/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And we can't understand,\nwe can't learn of that,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802#t=58.12,63.59"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802/transcript/82192/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"unless there's some emphasis\nmade on the pragmatic 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Well--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802#t=1446.11,1447.36"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802/transcript/82192/annotation/290","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER3: I mean you choose to--\nyou consciously choose,\nyou know,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802#t=1447.36,1452.45"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802/transcript/82192/annotation/291","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to put yourself\ninto a certain 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[Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802#t=1757.84,1760.04"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802/transcript/82192/annotation/362","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Up to you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802#t=1760.04,1764.429"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/154703/file/283802/transcript/82192/annotation/363","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER6: Well the basic\nBuddhist 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