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Topics include eclecticism of studying multiple traditions and the resulting benefits and confusion. Evolutionary process of a person's dissatisfaction with religious traditions leading to exploration of other traditions. Trungpa Rinpoche remarks on his role of correcting and sorting out existing spiritual ideas; describes eclectic experience at Naropa Institute as being like fireworks, rather than the smooth blending of a spoonful of sugar in lemonade. Ram Dass questions whether Naropa is genuinely open to other traditions or trying to convert others to its unspoken Buddhist philosophy. Trungpa Rinpoche on Naropa: ÒWe honor people's experience and their intellect, so they should conduct their own warfare within themselves while being sharp scholars in language studies or good tai chi students."]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication"]},"value":{"en":["BOOK: Collected Works Vol 02","JOURNAL: Loka"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication Details"]},"value":{"en":["BOOK: COLLECTED WORKS VOL 2: Selected Writings: \"Sparks\" (pp 630-633) (excerpts)\u003cbr\u003e\n-- from \u003ca href=\"https://www.shambhala.com/the-collected-works-of-chogyam-trungpa-383.html\"\u003eShambhala Publications\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\n\nLOKA: A JOURNAL FROM NAROPA INSTITUTE (out of print)\u003cbr\u003e\n-- from \u003ca href=\"https://www.amazon.com/Loka-journal-Institute-Rick-Fields/dp/038502312X/ref=sr_1_1\"\u003eAmazon\u003c/a\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Transcription Credits"]},"value":{"en":["Jan 26 2022 to Apr 19 2022 Transcribing: Ella Milligan Checking: Jessyca Goldstein Final Proof: Ruth Veleta Other Contributors: Lynn Friedman, Warner Dick"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["© Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved. Not to be Distributed or Reproduced."]}},{"label":{"en":["Year"]},"value":{"en":["1974"]}}],"summary":{"en":["Panel discussion with Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, Ram Dass, and Marvin Casper, moderated by Duncan Campbell, recorded for Open Secret radio program during first summer session of Naropa  Institute in 1974. Topics include eclecticism of studying multiple traditions and the resulting benefits and confusion. Evolutionary process of a person's dissatisfaction with religious traditions leading to exploration of other traditions. Trungpa Rinpoche remarks on his role of correcting and sorting out existing spiritual ideas; describes eclectic experience at Naropa Institute as being like fireworks, rather than the smooth blending of a spoonful of sugar in lemonade. Ram Dass questions whether Naropa is genuinely open to other traditions or trying to convert others to its unspoken Buddhist philosophy. Trungpa Rinpoche on Naropa: ÒWe honor people's experience and their intellect, so they should conduct their own warfare within themselves while being sharp scholars in language studies or good tai chi students."]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["© Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved. Not to be Distributed or Reproduced."]}},"provider":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["Chogyam Trungpa Digital Library"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["Chogyam Trungpa Digital Library"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/209/original/cti-library-logo-blue-text.png?1672724952","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/167/120/small/thumbnail_167120_1663466254.jpg?1663466317","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 1 - 19740708VCTR2-Video-Prod-CTIRmstrSD-Access.mp4"]},"duration":3852.65067,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/167/120/small/thumbnail_167120_1663466254.jpg?1663466317","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/content/1/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-cti.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/167/120/original/19740708VCTR2-Video-Prod-CTIRmstrSD-Access.mp4?1663463771","type":"Video","format":"video/mp4","duration":3852.65067,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["19740708VCTR2-Transcript [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[19740708VCTR2 - Naropa Institute - Open Secret - Spirituality In America (Sparks)]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=0.0,70.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: INTRODUCTION]\r\n\r\n\r\nDUNCAN CAMPBELL: Welcome to Open Secret, a series of panel discussions that are being taped during the first session of Naropa Institute in Boulder, Colorado. Naropa Institute was founded by Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche in order to create an environment where the academic and artistic and religious thought of the West could meet in some creative interaction with that of the East.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=70.0,95.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The discussion that we're having this evening concerns the general question of spirituality in America, particularly as it relates to the growing interest in the last five or ten years in Eastern religious thought and Eastern philosophical systems. One of the ideas of this program was to share the experience and background of a number of the faculty members that have come from various parts of the country to Naropa Institute for this first session. With us tonight we have three members of the faculty of Naropa Institute: Marvin Casper, Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, and Ram Dass, formerly Richard Alpert. I'm Duncan Campbell and I'd like to introduce the panel to begin with.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=95.0,138.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Marvin Casper is a professor at Naropa teaching a course on the politics of transcendence and meditation as it relates to American society. Marvin, would you like to say a few words about that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=138.0,152.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MARVIN CASPER: Sure. In the Politics of Transcendence course, what I'm concerned with is how various spiritual and counterculture movements deal with the conventional definitions of reality of the larger society. And in the Meditation in Society course, I take the point of view of the counterculture movement in terms of its internal organization and how they organize itself to realize their spiritual goals.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=152.0,193.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DUNCAN CAMPBELL: Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche is teaching a course in Buddhist meditation practice and also in the first two of the three yanas in Buddhist meditation practice. Would you like to expand on that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=193.0,207.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Surely. [Laughter] As founder and director of Naropa Institute that I would like to-- or I have been taking the attitude of... Buddhist dharma should be highly communicate-able to people in terms of experience and also in terms of basic understanding intellectually, so that there is no conflict taking place between the intellectual ability of man as well as intuitive experience of man, so things could be brought together harmoniously. And particularly my role as a Tibetan Buddhist meditation master, that I have been working with a lot of student outside of Naropa Institute, that we have a community of practitioners who are living together and studying, working on their own spiritual development, and the process of their own development has been-- the approach has been same way. That the living situation of American society could be integrated into the Buddhist practice, both intellectually and experientially.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=207.0,305.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DUNCAN CAMPBELL: Ram Dass, would you like to say a few words about your course on The Yoga of the Bhagavad Gita?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=305.0,310.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"RAM DASS: Well the attempt has been to explore Arjuna's predicament in the Bhagavad Gita, when he is being instructed by Krishna, in terms of our current predicament in the West. And I find it calls upon my academic history as a psychologist, a professor at Harvard, and it calls upon my-- the kinds of experiences I had with psychedelics, and it calls upon my training and my relationship to my guru in India. The main thrust of the Bhagavad Gita concerns what would be called karma yoga in devotion, which is very much the yoga of the marketplace. It's the transformation of being through staying in the world and working with the stuff of life. And it's a way of offering it as sacrifice or service or as-- to your own being, really to. And so I'm trying to relate it for myself really -- I mean to me teaching is an exercise of my own consciousness -- and trying to relate the tradition of India through the Gita to my predicament at the moment in America, spiritually.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=310.0,405.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 1]\r\n\r\n\r\nDUNCAN CAMPBELL: Well how is it that for instance you became interested in that tradition? I mean perhaps that might be one way to start, presenting the general problem of how one integrates a tradition from an apparently foreign culture, and why it is that so many people over the last five or ten years have become interested in Hinduism or in Buddhism or various religious practices of the East.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=405.0,430.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"RAM DASS: As I look back, when I look back twelve years ago, it seems terribly unlikely that I would find myself studying in Hindu temples or teaching at Buddhist university. I mean my whole value system didn't include that at all as a Western intellectual liberal. So whatever happened in those years, and for me the major impact was my experiences with psychedelics because when I-- after having had these experiences, when I looked around for systems to explain what was happening to me, or for a system to be able to stabilize or to deepen or to proceed with this process that was going on in me, I found a paucity of possibilities in the West and kept finding these books from the East which were describing exact experiences that I was having. And so it was apparent to me that somebody knew what we were doing even though we didn't. And it ultimately drove me really to the East to look. And I was very taken with the Buddhist tradition actually, initially, mainly the Theravadin Buddhist tradition, but ended up in a Hindu temple with a-- with my guru and in a Vaishnava tradition, and found that you-- the metaphor was very harmonious with my emotional Jewish traditions. And in fact in that temple was the first time ever read the New Testament actually. And I found my guru talking to me at great length about Christ, so I was being introduced to Western mystic traditions in a Hindu temple in India.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=430.0,536.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 2]\r\n\r\n\r\nDUNCAN CAMPBELL: But do you think that's a generalizable situation, that a number of people have turned to Eastern religions and philosophy for some reason because they don't find the kind of living inspiration in their own tradition, whether it's Christianity or Judaism? I mean, Marvin, where do you think that interest has come from for instance in the last five or ten years? Is there any way to describe it in those terms?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=536.0,558.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MARVIN CASPER: I think it's partly a failure of the Judeo and Christian tradition to keep the spirit alive, and I think it also has a lot to do with the psychedelics, with the fact that people were made aware that there was another dimension. And the church leaders are-- who were around simply could not integrate that into their system, so there was this kind of gap -- it doesn't make sense and yet I experienced it, and there has to be some explanation, some meaning system that is compatible with my experience. And the East was the meaning system, especially through the medium of people like Ram Dass's guru and Rinpoche, who gave that meaning, made sense of what they were experiencing. I think there was also a lot of general kind of disillusionment with political and social institutions coming out of the New Left movement and the failure of the New Left movement to really change the society -- a searching, questioning, perhaps maybe changing the society was not the answer, perhaps there was something deeper involved in the whole process.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=558.0,653.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 3]\r\n\r\n\r\nDUNCAN CAMPBELL: Well it might be interesting, Rinpoche, from your perspective, having arrived in the country in 1970 at the time when this process was really beginning to develop in a larger way than it had over the previous five or six years. What was your experience encountering the kind of American mind when you arrived?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=653.0,671.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I think there are lot of levels of interest. That there is a cultural level of interest, maybe even from the point of view of a tourist version of fascination to the East. And lot of people went to the East in their vacations and spend a lot of money buying Oriental art objects, and begin to make friends with various leaders or ordinary, common person. And also then there is the new upsurge, there was the invasions of the hippies of India, for instance when I went to Delhi after having stayed for long time in England, that the whole place was completely-- the atmosphere is completely different. That there is kind of a search that is extremely... some sense it's very crude, but in some sense it's very well-meaning -- that people are taking interest in every aspect of Indian culture, in tasting food, or in talking to people, or wearing clothes and everything's be completely-- people are completely fascinated in deeper level, other than purely the rich tourists of the middle-class tourist level.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=671.0,755.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And as my experience in England for instance, in Europe, and this country is concerned, that there is situations been already prepared in many ways, that there is the cultures exist before I came over. The drug culture and the poetry culture that had developed has sort of prepared. But seem to be that the working basis there is that I felt personally that there is need for a lot of correction, rather than presenting more stuff. That everybody has enough materials -- stacks full of books, collections, and memories, and everything's filled. That there is no longer level of starvation anymore, but it's level of sorting-out situation is taking place. And I suppose my entering into this country is not particularly-- some sense I could say not particularly proper. I haven't-- I have managed to get into situation where things are prepared for me already, that my job is to sort out, which is quite different than those pioneers who have worked and searched for it which they have to collect a lot of information and knowledge. And the result seem to be is that at the moment the interest in spirituality, particularly Eastern tradition, is somewhat eclectic and partial understanding, but everybody takes very seriously with a certain sense of respect, a certain sense of magic, which seem to have a lot of depth and potentiality underneath.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=755.0,873.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"RAM DASS: There were a series of waves actually and they're still going on, sort of simultaneously. The initial wave was the collecting and the fascination and the collecting of much. 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Because that readiness has to occur very naturally in people of-- ready to start to clean away their stuff rather than to collect more.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=897.0,934.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 4]\r\n\r\n\r\nDUNCAN CAMPBELL: Well it seems like that relates to the whole notion of spiritual materialism, that I think we could say that one of the reasons why America was ripe, or a ripe environment for opening to being interested in the traditions of the East, was that the kind of patterns of career orientation or success determined in terms of material form -- two cars in the garage and so on and so forth -- was something that particularly the younger generation of Americans in the 1960s, awakened perhaps by you know the poetry culture in the 50s and the beatniks, had begun to exhaust. And so they were looking then for some other framework of values because they'd exhausted the material materialism. But in a way that poses the next question, which is an interesting one that Rinpoche has addressed in his latest book, CUTTING THROUGH SPIRITUAL MATERIALISM, that that same process of mind which seeks to kind of collect and define and search for values in a certain framework could simply absorb into itself all of these new spiritual traditions and energies and without actually breaking out of the process, which seems to be the whole point.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=934.0,1000.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"RAM DASS: But at the same-- I honor the statement that CUTTING THROUGH SPIRITUAL MATERIALISM makes, but I am also appreciative of the fact that there are these different needs of different segments of the society at a different moment, and there are some people for whom they are making the conversion from material preoccupation to spiritual materialism, and that's the stage they're at. And to undercut that prematurely, it's like trying to get somebody to change their desire systems just like that.\r\n\r\n\r\nDUNCAN CAMPBELL: Sure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=1000.0,1034.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"RAM DASS: That again that book is for those that are ready to hear it, in a very specific sense.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=1034.0,1039.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MARVIN CASPER: Yeah, there has to be almost this period of initial excitement, the \"good news\", that there really is some kind of something more than the disillusionment and sort of quiet despair that people resign themselves to. And *then* there's the disillusionment about that and the realization that there's a lot more depth and subtlety to the whole process than initially is the case. But you can't short-circuit that, as you say.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=1039.0,1074.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"RAM DASS: You know what's an interesting point is the working with the despair and the fact that maybe that if the models come too soon or if the disciplines come too soon, the despair hasn't really been deep enough yet and there's going to be another wave of despair later on. You can feel the kind of despair that led you to grab stuff, but yet you're still doing it at the wrong level and comes another wave of despair and another wave. You can feel the productivity of despair in terms of the-- this process.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=1074.0,1105.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MARVIN CASPER: It seems that the process is becoming accelerated, the speed of it, and because there already is this kind of-- spiritual materialism is already an idea, so in a sense it seems that the people who come after go through the process quicker somehow.\r\n\r\n\r\nRAM DASS: Oh sure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=1105.0,1125.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MARVIN CASPER: I mean the whole level of culture is--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=1125.0,1127.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"RAM DASS: Sure people, like in 1963 or '2, when people were just starting to turn on, the psychedelic mentality of moving in and out of levels of consciousness and so on was quite new, and very few people-- then the rock-and-roll movement, the players were all turning on and their music and their words were starting to work with it, and these multimedia presentations. Until finally, I was on a plane recently and an elderly lady was sitting in front of me and the stewardess came along and she-- the stewardess said, \"What a lovely dress,\" and the woman said, \"It's psychedelic!\" [Laughter] And it was very far out how much it'd come into another culture -- that word, was like eight years ago, Humphry Osmond said, \"What do we call it? Why don't we call 'psyche-delic', 'mind-manifesting'\", right. But the-- that a kid nowadays doesn't have to turn on to get to exactly the same place that he would have had to, you know, bomb himself out to get to eight years ago.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=1127.0,1184.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 5]\r\n\r\n\r\nDUNCAN CAMPBELL: Well in a way, that presents a really interesting new problem in a sense that, for instance like Marvin was saying the initial excitement about a way to resolve your despair about social structures or cultural structures -- on the one hand we had the political movements in the 1960s, and on the other hand we had the rock culture which in their initial stages were very inspirational. But then people began to perceive that the same fundamental patterns of noncommunication were reoccurring within the New Left structures and within the rock-group, rock-star structure, and so attention began to be paid to what is this underlying process and can we really solve that problem by simply adopting a new style. And what I wonder now is when you say that the younger generation in a sense has been exposed to that already, is whether or not being exposed to the kind of surfeit of teachers and masters that have come to the West, they may not already have a kind of incipient cynicism about the whole process that would make it difficult for them to connect to that. In a way, they may see it as just another trip or just another fad, which would seem to be a problem for the future in terms of really integrating the insight of these various traditions into an American context.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=1184.0,1264.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"RAM DASS: You could look at it as a difficulty if you're, you know, if you're foreseeing doom; or you can look at it as a beautiful situation -- that they are burned out at one level, which makes them totally receptive to another message, that granted they will have a certain kind of cynicism with their head. But what I keep finding is that people that are burned out at one level, if you can resonate at another place in them, by being straight or representative of another vibration or another level of conscious, they're already here -- they just don't want to be conned at the level they were conned before. And the political movement worked through power trips, and the rock-and-roll movement was working through sensuality, sensual trips, and-- but there was a wide open place. Within the Hindu system, it's like dealing with the chakras and going through second chakra, third chakra, then is ready for compassionate, heart, presence, you know. Like I don't find any of that cynicism, you know. It's not that kind of cynicism.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=1264.0,1322.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 6]\r\n\r\n\r\nDUNCAN CAMPBELL: I think in a sense we're almost speaking to the future in a way, in that the fundamental problem it seems to me of all religious traditions has been making the-- bridging the gap between theory and practice in a sense, between the original insight and how you relate it to your daily life. And I was just wondering whether or not the exposure to such a wide variety of techniques might create a certain kind of confusion, where people wouldn't really be able to feel that a particular practice was necessarily going to relate to their daily life if a ground had not been created for that relationship. And that was the kind of cynicism I was speaking to, is the potential of seeing the same phenomenon develop in the so-called spiritual trip as has developed in the political trip and the rock-and-roll trip.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=1322.0,1369.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And I think what that brings up is the whole question of how one can, you know, view the transmission of the insight of a tradition to a foreign cultural context without tripping out on the fascination of the form, you know. Because in a way one could seek refuge in a form, like shaving your head, or you know living in a monastery, or becoming a good little Buddhist or a good little Hindu or whatever, as a way of seeking refuge from the problems you're encountering and trying to make your life more real in the situation you're in. And so I wonder if-- I mean that seems to be the fundamental problem: how to transmit a living tradition while preserving its essence and at the same time not encouraging people to kind of trip out behind a form that they're ultimately going to be disillusioned with.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=1369.0,1426.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"RAM DASS: I want to hear Trungpa talk about eclecticism a little bit, since you raised that issue.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=1426.0,1431.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DUNCAN CAMPBELL: Well that does seem to be the issue, is how to preserve the purity of the tradition without at the same time being so rigid as to create this kind of potential disillusionment -- how for instance to create an American Buddhism, to take one example.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=1431.0,1450.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I don't see any particular problems as such. It's like same as if you are so excited and highly inspired to become artist, and you are inspired by one of the abstract painters, and you immediately start imitating [INAUDIBLE] begin to do that, and you find yourself unable to do that, and there some setbacks of some kind, that you are unable to fulfill the ambition that you have. And then you find yourself going back to art school and starting right from the beginning, and you realize you can't just jump the gun immediately and do it. So I think that's same problem, and problem in the West not so much of the trying to secure the teachings but how to begin properly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=1450.0,1510.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And that seem to be the case. That we have to work on the level of preparatory school and high school, and then BA level, PhD level, whatever comes afterwards. That once you are competent artist you can be crazy, you can be still giving the message because you have that message is completely familiarized with behind you in your mind, behind your impulse in fact, it cuts through your impulse. So that the presenting, say for instance in the Buddhist tradition properly to this country, is that the people should have educational system that takes small steps at the beginning. Those steps are by no means excitable and exotic particularly, but they are truths. That you do one thing at a time, and as much as you can work with your life situation at the same time, side by side first, rather than trying to bring them together exactly, that you have no idea how you can do that. So you start with the side by side -- little bit of sitting, little of bit of cooking, and little bit of shower, shaving, and driving cars, and business deals, and that and this, just sort of pinch by pinch to begin with. You can't expect people to take the whole thing perfectly at the beginning.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=1510.0,1608.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So I think there a lot of responsibilities from that point of view as far as teachers concerned, that if they feel that they should accomplish their ambition in their lifetime maybe not possible. But once they-- if they have such ambition at all, their ambition should be that they are going to accomplish something not only their lifetime but life after to come. And maybe three, four generations, maybe that would be ideal because the footing is best. That there was lot of security measures taking place and that the presentation has-- is very solid, and there is very little information and lot of experience. But even experience begin to excite you that that experience be cut down and you been thrown back to a desert kind of experience. And then that's-- I think once person has that proper education and I don't see any problems. And the problems is that at the beginning that you had sudden excitement, that everything has been completely opened and you feel that you been cured at once. And then you begin to look twice, \"Was this my hallucination or was that just illusion?\" And then you begin to talk to somebody else who had the same problem of skepticism, and they begin to agree with you, and then you begin to build, and we begin to look at the whole thing as there is a giant conspiracies operating behind your back and nobody's saying the truth, properly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=1608.0,1699.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So I think the tradition from that point of view is very important. And particularly the Western situation, that the slow movement of making nothing into a big deal, if it's possible at all. And I don't know that in the inquisitive quality kids may not go for it because there have been already some restrictions happening, but still that seem to be the only way. And otherwise things become halfhearted eventually.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=1699.0,1731.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 7]\r\n\r\n\r\nRAM DASS: But does that have to happen within one tradition? The whole idea of little bits and the side by side, because that's-- let's say that's the-- where most people are right at kindergarten, right at the beginning, in our situation in America at the moment. Couldn't they be picking up a little bit here and a little bit there and a little bit there and a little bit there? Like for example, I meditate in Theravadin meditation for a while, then I go and I sit with a Hindu guru in India and I sing holy song, and that does a thing in my heart, and another thing is doing it with my quieting my mind, and I come and I take a teaching from you and I go and I-- I'm an eclectic, I'm going around shopping if you will. Not shopping in a hysterical fashion, but finding how to take each bit of my life and resonating, intuiting, that you have something to offer me to develop here, and you have something to offer me to develop here, and not being afraid to be open to all these possibilities, even though I may later then narrow it down and go into a single discipline. But I can feel the productivity of that kind of eclecticism without feeling that it has to be one tradition that defines those little steps, is the question.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=1731.0,1799.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I think the point is that all traditions have that approach, if-- that's why it's called traditional. And all the tradition I think simultaneously agree, and particularly like the Hindu tradition and the Buddhist tradition and Jain tradition, and all of those traditions become part of Indian culture. And there-- they agree simultaneously that there is a Hindu version of hinayana and a Buddhist version of hinayana and Jain tradition of hinayana and Sikh tradition of hinayana. That there is, when you begin, you begin very simply. Of course you could be open to try the other traditions [UNCLEAR: of the world?] at the same time, but that's just we are talking about different colors, how we could mix with water. The different techniques somehow isn't the point, it's the attitude behind the whole thing, that you're willing to stay with it and make whole thing absolutely-- extremely simple. And by practicing one tradition and their simplicity at the early level, make sure that the other practice of simplicity doesn't entertain you.\r\n\r\n\r\nRAM DASS: Yeah, I understand.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: If you can do that then you know have even and you have done good collection.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=1799.0,1876.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"RAM DASS: The predicament is that we're coming out of a very powerful Protestant ethic, which is based on \"you *ought* to do this and you *should* do this and you *must* do this to be a good person.\" And a lot of the predicament -- for example in the simple first-steps stuff, or what's-- what in Hinduism would-- could be called a purification exercise, the-- becoming \"sat\" with, if you will -- it's very easy to impose the Western model of \"ought\" and \"should.\" Well there's another level where you are driven to the attractiveness of the simplicity and the \"non-spectacular-ness\" of it by your despair, really. And that's a more exciting place to me than getting the students in there out of \"oughts\" and \"shoulds\", like-- which is the main way we do that kind of nondramatic education in the West.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=1876.0,1927.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I think we have to do it and see what happens. [Laughs; laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nRAM DASS: Mmm. We are doing it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=1927.0,1935.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 8]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, [laughs] more than this. [Laughs] I think there's lot of role that I'm particularly concerned with the generations to come. That people haven't gone through any of those search and collecting process at all -- things already available to them. And they-- lot of stuff is already pre-prepared for them and that they could just begin. By example maybe their parents could teach them how they themselves found it very difficult at the beginning, they-- how they were fucked up, and how they were confused, and how they found their true way. And they did the homework for the children. And when parents begin to transmit such message to their children and there's going to be some kind of problem, and that's the one of the biggest problems in fact, is how one can sustain that process.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=1935.0,2000.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"RAM DASS: Because it starts to die very quickly--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. Very much.\r\n\r\n\r\nRAM DASS: --when they don't go through the same despair and the same stuff.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes, there's no experience. You have [INAUDIBLE] work this [INAUDIBLE]--\r\n\r\n\r\nRAM DASS: It's handed to you, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=2000.0,2009.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MARVIN CASPER: We have to seemingly create the equivalent of Mao Zedong's cultural revolution in terms of breaking down the new security structures which are based on--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nMARVIN CASPER: --on the path.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=2009.0,2021.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, there is a possibility that if those people take to heart the whole thing properly and they begin to question what their parents have discovered, maybe it would be self-perpetuating situations might take place, but--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=2021.0,2045.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"RAM DASS: Because it doesn't seem to me that the [speaking German] \"sturm und drang\" that Freud that talks about, the violent reaction against parents and so on has to go on. That's like a-- that's a personality level of the dance, where the student-- the child-- the adolescent has to reject everything the parents stood for--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nRAM DASS: --in order to grow on the dead carcass of the parent, you know, it doesn't have to really be that way. Nor does it have to be a passive submission into everything the parent says. There is a very healthy space in that middle place for that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=2045.0,2070.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 9]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I have my feelings about this is that maybe as our generation evolves itself that there is enormous potentiality of going back to their own tradition and not feel that they need Eastern wisdoms anymore. That the richness of Judaism, Hinduism-- I mean Christianity, is become very powerful to them.\r\n\r\n\r\nRAM DASS: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=2070.0,2096.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That I have also feeling that maybe enormous popularity of Catholic monasticism and Hasidic traditions, whatever you have, those are possibility and maybe quite rightly so.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=2096.0,2111.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"RAM DASS: The only thing is, it can't be done prematurely because it's all-- oftentimes in the zeal to make it happen that way, there's a grabbing before the death and rebirth has happened in those religions. Because like the Hasidic rabbis are having to struggle to give up their kind of priest-class stance to get back into the dynamic spiritual place where the stuff all becomes alive again. And in the Benedictine monasteries that I visit, I know that they're really struggling with these problems. And now that they've-- the church has gotten looser because the political structures broken down, there's much more opportunity for them to do that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=2111.0,2152.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well yeah, I think that's pathetic in a way that the church feels that church has to modernize. And I think that's somewhat pathetic as--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=2152.0,2162.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"RAM DASS: Well the word \"modernize\" is pathetic, but the process of awakening or rebirth isn't so bad.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=2162.0,2167.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I hope that they have enough pride.\r\n\r\n\r\nRAM DASS: Yeah. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=2167.0,2170.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Unfortunately we don't have any representational--\r\n\r\n\r\nRAM DASS: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --anyone who represent and could be spokesman of those traditions. We were hoping to have Brother Doyle, but he apparently couldn't make it. But I think that there is-- there is as far as I'm concerned, I have a certain amount of connections with the Christian tradition, particularly Catholic and Eastern Orthodox traditions, and I found them very refreshing in many ways--\r\n\r\n\r\nRAM DASS: Yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --extremely refreshing. And if I was born and raised in this country in the West I would join with them.\r\n\r\n\r\nRAM DASS: Yeah. [Laughs] Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=2170.0,2207.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MARVIN CASPER: Let me relate a story that happened in my class in terms of the power of the Christian tradition. One of my students who was brought up in a Lutheran tradition said that he was totally disillusioned with it, went to Nepal, studied with Tibetan lamas, was tremendously inspired by Buddhism, and tried to visualize Buddha, but every time he tried to visualize Buddha he would break down and Christ would [laughing] come--\r\n\r\n\r\nRAM DASS: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nMARVIN CASPER: --into the visualization and take over. Which was a very powerful message to me about the kind of residual power of Christianity in America.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=2207.0,2247.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"RAM DASS: I was faced with an even more perplexing situation, where I go to a little village up in the mountains of India, in the foothills of the Himalayas, and meet this older man in a blanket who is not Western-trained particularly, and all he wants to speak about is Christ, right. And speaking about it in a very living-spirit way, not in terms of Christianity in terms of the dogma of the church, but in terms of the living spirit. And constantly turning us back away from Hinduism into Christianity, which is a far-out thing. Which led me to the Benedictine monasteries, where every time I visit I share that feeling with you of this incredible refreshing quality of a purity that exists in this culture that has been lost sight of because it's been such an unvalued aspect of our society.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=2247.0,2299.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 10]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think on the other hand we should consider that the general trend of societies is developing in its wide point of view and openness constantly, the mediums, newspapers, televisions, and supersonic flights, whatever have you, satellites and everything, and brings the boundary much looser.\r\n\r\n\r\nRAM DASS: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=2299.0,2330.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: And there is a possibility that people might feel that their heritage is just one of the others like, and sort of turn into internationalism, and there is that strong possibility as well, at the same time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=2330.0,2348.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"RAM DASS: That's an-- it's an interesting question about how much, as this medium and transportation thing changes the concept of space and time, the karmic requirements about traditions are changed as well. That is, you know like for me traveling around the world and so on, how much is my commitment to being an American or how much is my commitment to being a Jew or you know -- somehow they become, in a way, I have to honor them but they're less relevant because of this global village concept of Marshall McLuhan, that Marshall McLuhan talks about.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=2348.0,2385.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well it seem that Americans become more Americans or the British become more British where there is resistance. That the area that they haven't covered you know, that there is still a primitive notion of territory is involved, that they become more. And once there is no resistance it is possible that there is a complete open, wide situation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=2385.0,2411.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"RAM DASS: But that's why it may be very threatening to this culture in terms of the mass culture to import Buddhism per se as Buddhism or Tibetan Buddhism or anything into America without moving at the rate where it builds its little roots-- root leggings into the culture so deeply that it feels like it's an American product, you know.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I think that's [laughing] inevitable anyway.\r\n\r\n\r\nRAM DASS: Yeah? [Laughter] We're going to take it over anyway. [Laughs; laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=2411.0,2440.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I have even seen in Tibet we used to have a Coca-Cola bottle with flowers put on it. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nRAM DASS: Yeah. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=2440.0,2450.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: But on the other hand there is another further situations taking place there, is when everything becomes noncultural and everything becomes seemingly less struggle, the less territory cultural fight, but then at the same time there is a lack of that begin to eat people in, you know inwardly rather than outward. That there is need for some kind of struggle. And the neurosis becomes enormously you know powerful. That now that all the areas of possibilities have been explored, like now we have explored the Earth and we're going to the moon, and we're going to go further, so that kind of frustration and fundamental neurosis is begin to eat us.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=2450.0,2500.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"RAM DASS: Well is that struggle-- is treating the struggle as a basic thing in that-- in a human being, or is that like the fact that at each place they go it isn't fulfilling, which drives them somewhere else?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=2500.0,2513.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think it's both actually, you know, I mean those two questions are related with each other. That there is a greater threat of something or other coming which is undefinable, and maybe we have to go back to the old tradition.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=2513.0,2537.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"RAM DASS: Yeah. [INAUDIBLE] [laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=2537.0,2537.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: And makes complete cycle. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=2537.0,2539.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"RAM DASS: And make complete circle. Yeah, I feel that, I feel a need to come home, to bring it all home again before it-- the cycle's complete. I don't think I can buy another cultural tradition without *finally* bringing it back in. But every Hasid that comes up to me and says, \"Why aren't you a good Jew?\" I say, \"Too soon yet,\" you know, leave me alone. [Laughs; laughter] Let me become a good Buddhist first then I'll become a good Jew.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=2539.0,2572.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 11]\r\n\r\n\r\nDUNCAN CAMPBELL: Well in a way I mean the discussion as it's taken place so far sort of raises the next question, which is what kind of institutional structures would seem most appropriate to create the ground for this kind of interplay between a foreign tradition and a re-recognition of our existing American cultural tradition? What kind of form would one choose to optimize that kind of communication? Now I have one example, right here, which is Naropa Institute, which has made an attempt to kind of represent a number of points of view and a number of different kinds of traditions, both academic and religious. And I'd just like to raise that question on the basis of our experience over the last few weeks as to what you feel about that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=2572.0,2621.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MARVIN CASPER: I think what we are trying to do with Naropa is not create in a sense a Buddhist -- Buddhist, quote -- university, but more an atmosphere that acknowledges the basic problems of spiritual materialism and meditation, and bring in traditions selectively, insofar as they have the spirit of meditation and the sensitivity to the issue of spiritual materialism. And it was not so much a sectarian thing of which tradition, but more what spirit was the tradition practiced, and expounded, and lived.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=2621.0,2670.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"RAM DASS: But it still feels to me, as somebody who's teaching a Hindu tradition course here, that this is an alien course to the general framework of Naropa. I mean it doesn't feel to me a totally integrated situation yet. And that's one of the things that at first perplexed me, and then I'm much into honoring individual differences and if this is the way Naropa wanted to be that was fine with me.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=2670.0,2692.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"RAM DASS: Because I think it would be a mistake to say any one form of institution is the optimum situation because of the heterogeneity of the needs of the population at this moment. So that my whole game is, since I don't create institutions, is to just go around and do benefits for and subsidize, support institutions that are pure in transmitting traditions, like Naropa or like Buddhist-- like Benedictine monasteries, or like Zen centers, or like yoga retreats, because it seems to me they're all contributing. I think they're all productive institutions in the society.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=2692.0,2732.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well there is a particular philosophy of Naropa, which is not so much to the point to-- trying to bring together, like you put a spoon of sugar in your lemonade and becomes drinkable per se, but the point is like firework. Not so much of that each other would fight with each other and destructive sense, but there is enormous individualistic in terms of the doctrine and teachings that are presented and both are-- all of them are valid, but at the same time that there is you know, meeting point is takes place in the *spark*.\r\n\r\n\r\nRAM DASS: I enjoy the spark--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Like when you spark a match--\r\n\r\n\r\nRAM DASS: --but you can create a field in which there can be equal contestants sparking, coming together for the spark.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=2732.0,2800.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well that creates the flame--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=2800.0,2801.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"RAM DASS: I mean why go into a Buddhist field to create the spark? The spark can be just where we come together, like you and I come together to do our dance and that's the spark.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=2801.0,2809.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I mean it's-- I think it's saying the same thing actually. Somebody has to have some background somewhere or other. I mean we could say why can we do-- can't we do this up in the rocket ship in the-- on our way to the moon.\r\n\r\n\r\nRAM DASS: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=2809.0,2823.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: But we got to have somewhere.\r\n\r\n\r\nRAM DASS: Aren't we? [Laughs; laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=2823.0,2826.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: We are doing it in the United States, in Boulder, Colorado.\r\n\r\n\r\nRAM DASS: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You remember?\r\n\r\n\r\nRAM DASS: Yeah. [Laughter] [UNCLEAR: If I stretch, I'm here?] [Laughs; laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=2826.0,2839.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well it-- there are two phenomena that have happened. One-- there are many phenomena, that's a wrong statement. But there is this kind of \"towards the one\" concept, which I think is a little bit premature and uncooked. Which is: \"bring everybody together, we'll all love each other, and it will all become an amalgam, and we'll stir the whole thing up in a stew, and it will all come up\" -- that's the putting the sugar in with the lemonade, and it's all palatable and sweet. And nothing much has happened. It's all very nice but it sort of lacks the... [snaps fingers] the spark, you know.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=2839.0,2869.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"RAM DASS: But there is another way, a kind of an arena which is a collaborative arena to have the debate-- the dialogue, you know, a *fully* collaborative one. And--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well--\r\n\r\n\r\nRAM DASS: --I'm wondering, is that possible in America yet or do I have to go visit a Buddhist center and then go visit a-- you know, go fight with Yogi Bhajan, and then go fight with Sasaki Roshi, and I just got to go out and fight -- I'm a freelance fighter, see. But there's no place where we can all come into an arena together, all share putting up the money, share taking the losses, share the dormitory, share the administration, share the dynamics. Are we ready for that kind of a collaborative sparking or not?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=2869.0,2905.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I don't think we are talking in those sense. We are talking about experiential sense, like eating Mexican food has lots of chili in it and feels somewhat hesitant before you eat it, and you ask the waitress how hot it is. And probably waitress will say, \"Oh, it's okay,\" [laughter] you know, [INAUDIBLE]. [Laughs; laughter] And when you eat, you sweat, and you have *experience* of Mexican food or South Amer-- South Indian curry or, for that matter, whatever.\r\n\r\n\r\nRAM DASS: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=2905.0,2941.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: And that's personal experience rather than you-- you're debating with the chef and the cook, how he should be cooking, which is externalizing and debating the whole thing in the wrong way. It's how spark takes place in everybody's mind, all the students who are taking cross-cultural courses, all kinds, and the spark is taking place *in* them, which makes them think thrice, twice, you know--\r\n\r\n\r\nRAM DASS: Oh yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=2941.0,2968.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --that there is energy happening, rather than completely flat you know. That's internal spark we are talking about rather than, you know, we have to institute that sort of dharma game or whatever, you know. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=2968.0,2982.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"RAM DASS: Like Naropa Institute. [Laughter; laughs] Which you just did [laughs] in creating Naropa Institute. 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But I'm saying then that can be designed into the institution, to cut through system can be designed into the institution, as well as us saying an aside, \"Well we know it's a Buddhist center, but we can-- we *really* know that it's not *really* a Buddhist center.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=2991.0,3044.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I think the point there [laughs; laughter] is we honor people's experience and their intellect, so they should conduct their own warfare within themselves while being sharp scholars in language studies or good tai chi students, or whatever, that we don't teach them how to conduct skeptical search but--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=3044.0,3073.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"RAM DASS: Right. Right, we don't teach \"Battle I, II.\" We assume they know how to do it.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's right, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nRAM DASS: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=3073.0,3078.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Because the situation is created already. There is a pressure and there is enormous energy -- that it's internal experience.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=3078.0,3101.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 12]\r\n\r\n\r\nDUNCAN CAMPBELL: Well speaking of internal experience, what kind of experience have you had in this particular way relating the yoga of the Bhagavad Gita to Naropa Institute, which you once described earlier in the conversation as a Buddhist institution. I mean does it really feel like there's a clash between--\r\n\r\n\r\nRAM DASS: Well--\r\n\r\n\r\nDUNCAN CAMPBELL: --between trying to introduce two different and separate traditions into the same situation?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=3101.0,3125.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"RAM DASS: It turns out it isn't Buddhism and Hinduism that's the issue at all really. It has to do with various strategies of our procedures or methods, if you will, that the most drunken devotional word that usually comes out of Buddhists is the word \"warmth\", right? Which is a very kind of placid kind of word. And I'm out of the tradition of much heart, loving and crying, and emotion, and singing to God and that's another method. It's just another practice, it's no better or worse, it's just a different practice. And it's funny to bring a very intense devotional environment into this other environment, which in the Hindu tradition would be called \"gyani\" [sic] primarily, or primarily the \"method of the intellect.\" And the beauty of Naropa has been that we've kept these juxtaposed, you know, and it's been exquisitely delicate dance, and the students have profited incredibly I think by the struggle about realizing that neither of these are good or evil, that they're both productive strategies. And I found it a beautiful, beautiful exercise in my own [laughing] consciousness I must say. It's very far out. [Laughter; laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=3125.0,3207.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"RAM DASS: It's like when I went up to-- I went to a seminar that Trungpa gave called Crazy Wisdom up in Wyoming, and the staff there asked me to give some lectures because it was before Trungpa came, right. So I got out my tambura and I gave my lectures and I started to lead singing, and it was the only place I'd ever gone in all the years I've been lecturing where nobody would sing. [Laughter] It was as if they were afraid they'd lose their virginity if they sang, you know? That somehow they wouldn't be cynical enough to please Trungpa, right? And I realize-- you know, and that wasn't a level of cynicism that he's talking about but that's the level they were buying. You know, I find in him compassion and warmth, and really he's a wild bhakti if he lets himself go there. [Laughter; laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=3207.0,3253.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"RAM DASS: So I know what's really lying behind there but it's okay with me, but the students themselves here, they're much looser than most of the staff in that sense you know, because they're not that committed to that particular gyan tradition. 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That at some point one has to undergo that and re-experience it and fully experience it, before one can really be let out of it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=3738.0,3767.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40373/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"RAM DASS: But you can't do that out of \"ought\" and \"should\" either, you see. So there's like, there's this eclecticism and then you're drawn into a discipline or a tradition, and then you get into it, and you get into at first for the wrong reasons, and then you see your predicament, you start to despair within it, you throw it all over, go back into this kind of wild eclecticism, and then you get pulled right back into that tradition for another reason now, you know.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nRAM DASS: These are all part of our sequence we're all going through, you know, and we're meeting at different stages of the game--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nRAM DASS: --and saying-- yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. I think that's good enough. 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[Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nRAM DASS: I thought they were waiting to decide how we were going to start. [Laughs; laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120#t=3800.0,3852.65067"}]},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40374","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["19740708VCTR2-Captions [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76076/file/167120/transcript/40374/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DUNCAN CAMPBELL:\nWelcome to Open 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