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Differentiates between Judeo-Christian idea of mysticism, as connecting with \"divine\" reality, and Buddhist, as more phenomonological, connecting with reality as it is. Mysticism in Buddhism associated with tantra, but Trungpa Rinpoche explains as experienced in hinayana and mahayana. First as constant change, nothing to hang onto, and conviction in that truth. And in mahayana, uncovering of prajna (wisdom), and shunyata (emptiness), Hinayana and mahayana lead to tantric experience of mysticism, as mahamudra, all-pervasive, indestructible energy present in all aspects of life. Experienced in glimpses by the practitioner, leading to positive outlook, conviction, \"mahasukha\", \"great joy.\" In Q\u0026amp;A, discusses nature of confusion as starting point; Buddhist \"mysticism\" as removing the mysterious; glimpses of enlightenment as differentiated from nirvana itself; what the nature of fear is.\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication"]},"value":{"en":["UNPUBLISHED"]}},{"label":{"en":["Transcription Credits"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eMar 14 2020 to Dec 31 2021 Transcribing: Leandra Ziegler Checking: Sophie Perks Final Proof: Leandra Ziegler Other Contributors: Lynn Friedman, Warner Dick\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003e© Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Year"]},"value":{"en":["1973"]}}],"summary":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eA class about \"mysticism\" from the Buddhist point of view. Differentiates between Judeo-Christian idea of mysticism, as connecting with \"divine\" reality, and Buddhist, as more phenomonological, connecting with reality as it is. Mysticism in Buddhism associated with tantra, but Trungpa Rinpoche explains as experienced in hinayana and mahayana. First as constant change, nothing to hang onto, and conviction in that truth. And in mahayana, uncovering of prajna (wisdom), and shunyata (emptiness), Hinayana and mahayana lead to tantric experience of mysticism, as mahamudra, all-pervasive, indestructible energy present in all aspects of life. Experienced in glimpses by the practitioner, leading to positive outlook, conviction, \"mahasukha\", \"great joy.\" In Q\u0026amp;A, discusses nature of confusion as starting point; Buddhist \"mysticism\" as removing the mysterious; glimpses of enlightenment as differentiated from nirvana itself; what the nature of fear is.\u003c/p\u003e"]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003e\u0026copy; Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved -\u0026nbsp;Not to be Distributed or Reproduced\u003c/p\u003e"]}},"provider":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["Chogyam Trungpa Digital Library"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["Chogyam Trungpa Digital Library"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/209/original/cti-library-logo-blue-text.png?1672724952","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/293/568/small/Logo-Audio-Red.png?1759346415","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 1 - open-uri20251001-2006876-q4rxrf.mpga"]},"duration":3381.47263,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/293/568/small/Logo-Audio-Red.png?1759346415","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568/content/1/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-cti.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/293/568/original/open-uri20251001-2006876-q4rxrf.mpga?1759343490","type":"Audio","format":"audio/mpeg","duration":3381.47263,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568/transcript/85043","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["19730426VCTR1-Transcript [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568/transcript/85043/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[19730426VCTR1 - University of Colorado - Boulder - Spring 1973 - Class 9]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]\r\n\r\n\r\nARP SLATE: This is the Venerable Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, University of Colorado classes, 1973. This is class number nine, \"The Buddhist Approach to Mysticism,\" held April 26th, 1973. This is an ARP digital remaster made December 2006.\r\n\r\n\r\nORIGINAL SLATE: This is a recording of Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche's class on Tibetan Buddhism held April 26th, 1973 at the University of Colorado. The lecture deals with \"The Buddhist Approach to Mysticism\".","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568#t=0.0,40.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568/transcript/85043/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: LECTURE]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Tonight we are going to discuss the Buddhist approach to mysticism. And to begin with, the idea of mysticism as a whole. The... Again, same as the notion of spirituality that we were talking about it at the beginning of the course. That seems to be two categories of mysticism -- the \"mysticism\" quote, quote. That mysticism of discovering the-- or realizing nature of God who create the world.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: Can you turn up the sound please?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Sorry?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: Could you turn up the sound?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568#t=40.0,126.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568/transcript/85043/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: The other approach of mysticism is a non-theistic approach, predominantly Buddhism, which gets into the purely about nature of reality. And seem to be either the problem or the-- or the topic of study is, generally we could say, it is nature of reality. But then there seem to be two types of approach towards nature of reality. The one is being the nature of reality itself. And the other one is the nature of reality in which the nature is possessed by a divine being. And once you begin to realize the-- or begin to discover the nature of reality is completely soaked in divine power -- maybe that could be said is the first step of mysticism.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568#t=126.0,216.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568/transcript/85043/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But then there's something more than that, then we have to discuss the nature of the divine power itself. And discovering divine power and a divine presence can be only achieved by a state of absorption of some kind. Of course, one can study that kind of mysticism by dialectic methods, but that could be said is somewhat superficial. Because in order to understand or realize the divine presence -- or as Christianity speaks of the Holy Ghost -- that purely become experiential and not so much of intellectual speculation alone.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568#t=216.0,281.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568/transcript/85043/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But in-- on the other hand, that Buddhist approach to mysticism is somewhat, almost you could say, phenomenological approach in the theistic-- I mean, on the atheistic level. That certain philosophical speculation is invited. And if there's any sense of mystical absorption, that-- even that had to be-- that should be questioned.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568#t=281.0,334.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568/transcript/85043/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So the mystical experience from Buddhist point of view is, somewhat you could say it's phenomenological logic. Which does not necessarily mean pure speculation alone, but examining the phenomenological experience accompanied with a sense of logic -- examining one's state of being and questioning it. Which automatically brings that sense of cynicism. That you experience something and that experience has been questioned at the same time, in spite of your experiences.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568#t=334.0,422.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568/transcript/85043/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In discovering nature of reality, I suppose we could say the tantric approach, Tantric Buddhism, is the peak experience or the main topic of Buddhist mysticism. So tantra is being Buddhist mysticism. We could discuss the how that questions came about. In other word, that tantra is regarded as the-- one of the ultimate teachings of Buddha. And when something becomes ultimate or the absolute, that thing becomes absolute or ultimate because of there's relative reference to it. And therefore, the relative reference to the absolute is that of the sutra teaching, which consist of hinayana and mahayana Buddhism.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568#t=422.0,510.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568/transcript/85043/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In hinayana, that mysticism or the mystical experience of life is that of all-pervading impermanence, constant change. The world consisting, collection of atoms and collection of moments. And there's no substantial reality to hang onto. There's constant chain of flowing, like a river. In other word, that sense of not have any security or realize that the transitory nature of world begin to bring some kind of convictions. That conviction becomes born within, rather than conviction becomes just purely nesting in security.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568#t=510.0,594.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568/transcript/85043/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then as develops beyond that, the mahayanists, the approach to mahayana, the mahayana's approach to nature of reality is taking granted the idea of impermanent as it is. But there's something more than just purely transitoriness alone. That there is also the transitoriness being perceived by some intelligent. So the intelligent become an important issue. And intelligent is also the manufacturer of the knowledge of transitoriness as well. So that mind's perception becomes the ultimate mystical experience from that point of view. And beyond that, then there is a sense of, even one could ask questions -- does mind exist at all? And who's the perceiver of that mind who perceives things? If you perceive something, if you know that something is perceiving, your mind is perceiving, your intelligence is perceiving, that perception had to be validated some other perception. So if you went on that way, there would be endless chain reactions of eternity, which trying to prove chicken or the egg first, constantly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568#t=594.0,712.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568/transcript/85043/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So quite possibly, that there's no perceiver; there's nothing to prove. The perceptions are just purely mirage, acknowledging itself, rather than it was acknowledged by some other entity as such, intelligence as such, at all. So the sense of losing track of subject object division is mystical experience. And it is referred as shunyata experience or that of perception of prajna, transcendental knowledge, and so forth in the Mahayana school. The cutting through the dualistic hoax, uncovering the lie, so forth.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568#t=712.0,793.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568/transcript/85043/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And up to that point, the approach towards mysticism is rather negative one. To begin with, there's-- it is transitoriness of impermanence, nonexistence, and the second one is even nonexistence of mind's activities. And whole thing is cutting down and smashing down, cutting through, destroying something. And then that comes another approach, which is approaching towards tantra, is that if you need area to destroy things, cut down things, and impermanence could function itself, that there is some eternity to accommodating impermanence. And then that idea leads to the mahamudra experience of eternal energy -- energy which need not be sought or convinced but a self-existing energy. All kinds of descriptions of that energy is being the ever-burning flame of chandali or the all-pervading mother principle and also the indestructibility of vajra nature, and all kinds of analogies been used to that. The fundamental principle which accommodates all these changes takes place.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568#t=793.0,902.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568/transcript/85043/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So in other word, that all these basic principles of impermanence and nonexistence of subject and object division are further progress towards discovery of the energy. But each view of the previous steps have made discovery, as well as their discovery become also hang-up at the same time, because discovery become too fixed thing. So that when you have next step, next step is creamed out the discovery and cleaned out the hang-ups that goes along that creaming out. So that's the how all stages of hinayana and mahayana and vajrayana become step-by-step, that developing progressive step of \"mystical experience\" -- if you could call this time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568#t=902.0,961.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568/transcript/85043/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And one of the tantric approach to mysticism, one of the basic principles is to appreciate phenomenal world. To appreciate its transitoriness, of course, from the hinayana point of view; appreciate its emptiness from the mahayana's point of view; but also appreciate its vitality, its ongoing process of a bank of energy. And that principle of energy is not abstract concept at all; the energy is consist of sense objects, sense perceptions, the energy that goes with the colors, the energy that goes with the elements, that energy that goes with the activities of daily life -- birth, death, passion, aggression. Anything that goes on in the world, any movement that takes place in the world is predominantly-- contains predominantly higher ideal of mystical experience.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568#t=961.0,1056.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568/transcript/85043/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And from the tantric point of view of mysticism, that one does not talk about sorting out fish from fowl, samsara and nirvana sorting out. But it talks about dealing with its nature. Which is the-- one of the analogies of tantra is alchemistic approach of lead changing into gold without rejecting the metallic quality of lead. Instead, that metallic quality of iron becomes gold, which is called transmutation rather than rejecting anything.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568#t=1056.0,1108.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568/transcript/85043/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So that highest form of mystical experience in Buddhism from that point of view, we could say is the tantric approach to life. When there is a sense of no security ground, everything is impermanent; and when there’s a sense of no journey back and forth in terms of subject object division, that everything is impermanent and emptiness -- and because of that, therefore there is a vivid expression of things as they are without modifier, without moderator. That things become cleanly pure in its own merit rather than moderated by somebody else. In other word, the veil of distortion has been removed through the process of going through hinayana and mahayana. And then the naked expression of vajrayana experience of mystical experience begin to reveal.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568#t=1108.0,1192.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568/transcript/85043/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So the nature of reality from that point of view, in the mystical level, is a sense of living in the real world rather than the purely illusory world. World is real and bright and clear in its own form without any distortion. And such experience could be said as if it's a permanent experience, it is experience of enlightened ones, enlightenment. But the differences between that experience of enlightenment and that experience of a practitioner as such, the practitioner sees a short glimpse of that and then resumes their own previous hang-ups or whatever. So it becomes a glimpse -- and that becomes the path. So the tantra particularly talks about the goal as being path, the path as being goal. The constituents of the path is the short glimpse of the goal happening constantly all the time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568#t=1192.0,1274.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568/transcript/85043/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So that goal does not become purely mythical idea, hypothetical situation, but goal could be perceived in a fraction of a second as real as anything else. And at the same time, because of that real experience of mystical experience of seeing the vividness of world, and with a certain amount of conviction and confident that you are not challenged by pettiness of a dualistic world, then person begin to develop -- each time the glimpse, in other word, become more and more widened. There's more conviction; there's more sense of nonviolence, that study or practicing does not constitute struggle or fight anymore. That it's a question of taking a superb positive attitude of things as they are; they are real as they are.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568#t=1274.0,1357.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568/transcript/85043/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The thing we discussed tonight is extremely rough and crude explanation. But I think you probably will get some idea as to the process and the path. That whole idea is not so much to get higher and higher mystical experience as such; but it's go into deeper, not into self-consciousness of ego as such, but going into to examining, to looking into the nature of reality. Perception and perceiver are both becomes-- if one looked into it, both becomes real. And also that produce a certain amount of delightness. That delightness being described in the tantric texts as \"mahasukha\", \"the great joy\", which is more of a conviction than happiness or pleasurable situation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568#t=1357.0,1438.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568/transcript/85043/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But it seems to be the whole problem that we have is that we regard our perceptions are not sharp enough, not accurate enough. We constantly fear that we may not be able to get into the ultimate security and we feel extremely lost, confused. In particularly, looking for ultimate reality, we trying to adopt a certain philosophical religious attitude to clear up our confusion; but at same time, even those formulas become too familiar. And at the same time, that all-pervasive confusion and uncertainty of insecurity begin to develop constantly. That seem to be the nature of reality in-- from samsaric point of view.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568#t=1438.0,1500.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568/transcript/85043/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The other approach of this type of reality of mystical experience in the tantra is to remove the-- there's no mysteriousness in the mystical experience as such at all. That things are precisely accurate and real as they are. So that the-- what the obstacle to realizing mystical experience is to remove the mysteriousness of it. That seem to be one of the basic point in this idea of Buddhist approach towards mysticism is that to remove the mysteriousness of it. And that could be said as the ultimate truth, suchness, and so forth. And that also could be said is the vajra-like nature, indestructible quality, because it has no-- nothing to fight against with-- for. It is a self-existing indestructibility, because it does not contain any kind of creating a goal or aim, permanent security as such at all.\r\n\r\n\r\nWe could have discussions on that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568#t=1500.0,1585.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568/transcript/85043/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 1]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: There were two questions that occurred to me. One of which was it seemed like there was a shift tonight in your attitude from the past, which had emphasized that the non-- the total nonexistence of the ego and the illusoriness of all phenomena, into an emphasis on vajra nature or some kind of essence that *did* exist of itself and that was real, in kind of in counterpoint to the previous total negation of all phenomena. And the other question I had was what is the role--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: So, let me answer that first. You see, that's the whole point is the-- our version of a general approach to life is we never looked at the background; we just approach from pettiness of day-to-day living situation. And our version of permanent happiness is pettiness could be solidified, and little entertainment that goes on in our life should be solidified. So from that point of view, those petty demand are nonexistence; they are just imaginary thing, because they are subject to decay and death. And once we remove that little mind, so to speak, of the pettiness, and then obviously the birth and death does take place in a larger space.\r\n\r\n\r\nSo the vajrayana's approach is to relate with the larger space in which the smaller thing could happen, and they could, you know, come and go. It's like the vajrayana's approach is like the existence of the earth. And the sutra's approach is like existence of four seasons on Earth, which are temporary thing. But in order to exist the four seasons, to change its nature, you have to have Earth to happening, take place of it. What was the other one?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: So those are two-- they’re two kind of complementary perspectives of the same nature.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568#t=1585.0,1733.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568/transcript/85043/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 2]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: The other question is, I was wondering what the relationship was of the enlightenment that you mentioned, or the process of continuous temporary glimpses of enlightenment, with the nirvana experience you talked about. Are they again two different perspectives on the same-- or two different ways of approaching it?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. Nirvana is regarded as is permanent freedom. And enlightenment is the experience within that nirvana experience, which could be a short glimpse. As if we are practitioners, we have the short glimpse of the goal; it's more abrupt. And when that the veil has been removed, it's like taking one brick out in the wall -- you see a small glimpse, small aperture through the wall. But when the whole brick is removed, then you have the complete nirvana experience.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568#t=1733.0,1806.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568/transcript/85043/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 3]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: Would you say that meditation is indispensable to attain that glimpse, or can it be done through conjecture or... ? And then you said that--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Meditation? Well, I wouldn't say that meditation is indestructible.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: Indispensable.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Indispensable, ah. Rather. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: That's as a preliminary though, right?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: It *is* indispensable --\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Ultimately it becomes a hang-up right?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, that's the whole idea. Any means, any technique that you provide at the beginning it becomes indispensable. But some point it becomes a problem, because you are so much involved with the art rather than the science, so to speak.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568#t=1806.0,1866.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568/transcript/85043/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 4]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: Rinpoche, you mentioned discovering eternal energy, and I suppose-- well, I was wondering more exactly what you meant-- what you meant by that. I mean, in what sense could there be a form of energy which is eternal?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, the energy is generated by constant change. Whenever there is constant change, each change generates the energy of the environment at the background. It's like wave is temporary thing, but it reassures the existence of the ocean, in the larger scale.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: And another question I was wondering about, you mentioned removing the mysteriousness of mysticism. And first of all, I guess even a more elementary question is, what exactly do you mean by a mystic experience? Do you mean that in which you realize in a different way certain phenomenas of life? And in another sense, how can you really remove the mysteriousness of mysticism, because wouldn't that by definition be what it would be?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Is what?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: I mean wouldn't by definition mysticism be mysterious? [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I suppose, could be said that. But I mean, that's why the whole idea is this type of mysticism is not living up to its name, but it's a different style of thinking altogether. And we happens to use that word just to-- in order to communicate the equivalent idea rather than, you know, being precise. But if you remove the mysteriousness of it, then that may be the, you know, greatest mysteriousness of all, which is a sort of vajra mysticism. Well that precisely what tantric experience is the, you know, the great play. It's idea of, again, it's idea of removing the pettiness of it.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: So removing of the mysteriousness would involve taking on a different attitude or a different perspective.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, the mysticism does not become seek and hide game anymore. It's all understood. It's out in the open.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568#t=1866.0,2035.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568/transcript/85043/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 5]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: What role does [INAUDIBLE] does devotion play in this? As opposed to that cutting [INAUDIBLE] sharpness of cutting [INAUDIBLE] --\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. Well, it seem that devotion need some kind of a personal understanding that certain things are trustworthy. Which means that you have to have some experience that if you begin to devote your whole being to, or involvement with that particular experience, that means that actual object of devotion has to be something real. So I mean, that's precisely why in the tantric literature you have the all kinds of deities representing different aspect of your energy. When the person begin to realize the energy does exist and relating with energy as real experience, then there's no doubt about the whole thing. And you can identify yourself with such deities. It's a reciprocal experience rather than, you know, regarding the devotional practices as in the theistic practices of external and internal relationship.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568#t=2035.0,2166.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568/transcript/85043/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 6]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: You spoke about the fear as sort of an ego-centered search for insecurity and this confusion. But when you're involved in a path and seeing glimpses of the goal, what part does that relationship to fear play with that?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [INAUDIBLE] ?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: Of insecurity.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Oh, I see. Well insecurity-- well it seems that insecurity is-- discovering insecurity or discovering the transitoriness of life are being saying the same things, synonyms from that point of view -- that you have nothing to hang onto. And that is your first inspiration to get onto the path anyway. And that removes the pettiness of your petty security. That your petty security does not exist and they are too absurd. And fear of non-existence is seems to be the starting point. And when you begin to realize you cannot exist forever, and the fear of nonexistence. And also that there may be fear of that you might lose your control of sanity, you might freak out, some point.\r\n\r\n\r\nAnd that kind of fear then begin to lead you into... Your approach has been wrong, because you been purely relating with things as subject object logic all the time rather than without that barrier. So in other word, the fear or the notion of impermanence leads you into in a shunyata experience or nonexistence of barrier. The duality, this does-- this case does not necessarily mean losing track of \"that\" and \"this.\" But nonduality is, this case, is removing the barrier, simply. So then \"that\" *is* \"this\", \"this\" is \"that.\"\r\n\r\n\r\nSo in other word, without that kind of fundamental fear, that you wouldn't even get into the path, or you wouldn't experience the all-pervading space of shunyata. I mean, the nature of fear is usually empty-hearted, you know, that you're going to lose something; you're going to not able to hold onto something. It has the sense of empty-heartedly fearful. That you can't have solid fear; the nature of fear is empty one, usually. Like if you have fear of that you might get murdered, you have fear of you may cease to exist your body. Or if you have fear of you might lost your grip, that's also fear of losing your ground. Almost methodically we could say that any nature of fear that we experience in our life has the nature of unpleasant shunyata underneath. Nature of fear is always empty one, fear of empty of something. You can't have fear on the positive thing. I mean, even claustrophobia or fear of claustrophobia is most full and solid one, but there is also fear of you might burst out into this-- whole area is too full, you might burst out like balloon. That's the fear of claustrophobia is again the fear of emptiness. So that any kind of fear you could say has nature of emptiness, empty-heartedness, and rather than fullness. Which has a close sympathetic link with experience of impermanence and shunyata and so forth. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568#t=2166.0,2451.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568/transcript/85043/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 7]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: Would you say this wider experience corresponded to what Suzuki Roshi spoke of as \"big I\" and the pettiness corresponding to \"little I\" in terms of that teaching?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You mean \"big mind\" and--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: \"Big mind\" and \"little mind\", I guess [INAUDIBLE] .\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, that's quite different, than \"big I\" and-- [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: I got that mixed up.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. [Laughter] Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: What I?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I suppose you could say the small mind is the pettiness, almost the domestic security or domestic jealous affair. And big mind is that those experience could be returned to its origin, and the pettiness begin to dissolve. Yeah, that kind of thing is the-- goes along with the whole train of thought.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: Well he speaks-- he's speak-- the Zen teaching is mainly mahayana, but it seems that that contains the what you're also speaking of in terms of tantra or vajrayana.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Eventually it does. But one of the problems with the Zen teaching generally is that Zen teaching talks about the transcending logic and transcending a relative reference. But it does not talk about the daringness of the energy of crazy wisdom type of which tantra talks about. Which could be said is influenced by school of mahayana called Yogachara, which is a school which speaks of the phenomenal world is-- should be understood, or rather than phenomenal world should be exploited, which tantra begin to exploit.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: What was that again?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: What was that last statement again before tantra exploits it, Zen does what?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Zen said phenomenal world should be understood, and tantra would say that the phenomenal world should be exploited.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: There are some particular Zen practitioners who seem to be, like, very definitely crazy yogis in, like, the tantric sense. I can't remember his name, but there was one guy that I think he wrote a lot of poems but he was always-- I don't know, like, he's just like kind of character all to himself, kind of legend, because he did all kinds of weird things. You know, they don't explain it; they can't explain it in terms of Zen teaching, but simply that this guy did it, you know. He was completely unpredictable and, you know, like, whenever you'd see him, he was different.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I mean, if you understood completely, obviously you begin to exploit it. But that particular, the craziness of the certain Zen master, like one particular Zen master chopped down a wooden image of a Buddha in his shrine and he kept himself warm, made fire out of it, campfire out of it. And things like that are expression of craziness, somewhat. But at the same time, there's still yogacharan elements in it, which is that whole craziness is regarded as a work of art, which is still kind of a yogacharan thing. Which is-- Yogachara is one of the mahayana schools of Buddhism which has most artistic tendency of all. That even tantric art being influenced by yogacharan art. Which is okay in a certain situation, but when you begin to talk about a total chaos of crazy wisdom, then there seem to be some problem.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568#t=2451.0,2765.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568/transcript/85043/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 8]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: Does it not get totally into it, as when you have a work of art, you sort of stand back a little [INAUDIBLE] --\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah but still, you know, your work involve work of art as art.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: Oh, it's sort of [INAUDIBLE] as opposed to vajra [INAUDIBLE] --\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No, it's not simple as that. It *is* losing subject object divisions, nevertheless. But still, there is a sense of a kind of aristocrat experience, you know, that--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: Aristocrat?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Cultured.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: Uh huh.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: Formalism?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Some kind of formalism, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: And the vajrayana just gets totally, I mean, it doesn't have that formalism. Is that what you're saying?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. I mean, in other word, the vajrayana cannot survive without yogacharan experiences. But nevertheless, that yogacharan experience becomes a problem for vajrayana. That's how the stages of path works. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: But that has to be [INAUDIBLE] .\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568#t=2765.0,2834.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568/transcript/85043/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 9]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: When Milarepa told Gampopa that the highest teaching was practice, from the crazy wisdom lineage's point of view, is that also true? I mean, is that sort of the ultimate scientific approach to the teachings or to the universe or, what would you say?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think so, because practice is just purely one of the step towards something. That--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: Practice [INAUDIBLE] --\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, I mean doctor would say that the best practice you could do is to take your medicine constantly. But that doesn't mean to say that when you're well, you be taking dozens of medicines. And when you're well, you don't medicine. But that doesn't have any contradiction towards taking medicine either -- but seemingly, it does.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: Will this practice [INAUDIBLE] become [INAUDIBLE] ?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568#t=2834.0,2907.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568/transcript/85043/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 10]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: Rinpoche, does the idea of exploiting in tantra involve a reintroduction of duality?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [UNCLEAR: Meaning?] what?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: This idea of exploiting, you said tantra exploits [INAUDIBLE] exploits. Does that involve reintroducing duality in some sense?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, I mean, it's the-- I mean, that's why in the tantric iconography there is a consort and the main person, you know, Shakti and Shakta principles happening. Which is a sort of reintroduce the any neurotic tendencies, any kind of things be created by samsaric mind has been dug up again and use it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568#t=2907.0,2963.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568/transcript/85043/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 11]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: Well, Hinduism seems to be somewhat of a theistic religion, and yet at the same time, has a tantric tradition. Can you connect, explain that somewhat? Because in reading the papers that the students handed in, there's a tremendous confusion between whether spiritual materialism is synonymous with theistic religion. Or it's somehow an attitude which is commonly associated with theistic religion, but not necessarily the same as theistic religion. In other words, can you clarify that?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I suppose, I mean, for-- in one point of view, we have to say that any theistic religion encourages spiritual materialism -- that could include Buddhism as well. If salvation is regarded as the goal, then Buddhism becomes a theistic religion. But from the Hindu point of view of tantra, is that-- I think one of the difference between that of Buddhist tantra and the Hindu tantra is that in Hindu tantra, that by relating with the inspiration of the blossom or the fruit of the tree, you can plant a better seed. In other word, you will say that you don't plant a little tree or sow a seed if you don't have inspiration of what it's going to be like when you completely sow the seed and the trees begin to grow. That seem to be one of the point. And the Buddhist point of view is that knowing the fruit and the blossoms, that you don't have to make too much emphasis on that, but you have to sow the seed carefully without getting carried away. You have to work with your-- put your manure and sow the seed plant properly and deal with the mud and the dirt and everything.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: So you're saying--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: So in other word, the manure and sowing the seed on the ground makes whole thing workable.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: So are you saying then that the Hindu tantra have a-- has some true perceptions built about the way the final result should be?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, yeah, should be, yeah. I mean, yearning towards something.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568#t=2963.0,3158.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568/transcript/85043/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 12]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: Doesn't that absence of theism or any kind of projection -- also in addition to making it more immediately kind of sober and concentrated on what's happening right now -- but doesn't it, without, you know, without that being projected, but end up making the whole thing much wilder, crazier, and opener because there's really no telling where the hell it's going to come out since there's no projection as to where it's going to come out?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What's the differences?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: Well if you-- you know, like, if you have sort of a theistic thing -- either in terms of some kind of God or some kind of notion of nirvana or enlightenment -- like, aren't you kind of, like, closing off the system? So that if you don't have any notion of what's going to happen or where it's going to come out, don't you, like, you know, make the things opener, less predictable, wilder?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I don't think so, because the thing is that you-- obviously, you have to have some idea as to what-- why you're doing these things for, otherwise you wouldn't do it at the beginning. Which is that the techniques that involved with something like meditation practice -- you sit and meditate. But then when you begin to relate with the stepping stone heavily, that cuts down the frivolity of the, you know, neurotic wildness, automatically; because the immediate problem is too obvious to, you know, reject, which sort of sober you down. But at the same time, that working with the stepping stone and its neurosis makes you high as well, at the same time, because they are so direct, so true. It provides somewhat kind of ultimate security as well, at the same time. Insecurity makes ultimate security in some sense.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568#t=3158.0,3305.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568/transcript/85043/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 13]\r\n\r\n\r\nLILLA KALMAN: Rinpoche, I find this [INAUDIBLE] introducing duality in tantra very disturbing; I don't understand it. First you said that a mystical experience is beyond duality, and tantra is the peak of this experience. And suddenly, we are back with the old duality. I don't understand.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I mean, that's your challenge because tantra is the peak experience of getting into life. You might say that is, you know, disturbing. That you're trying to get away from life, and finally tantric tradition says that have to get back to life. It's saying the same thing.\r\n\r\n\r\nLILLA KALMAN: The energy is inside as well as outside.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Energy is nowhere.\r\n\r\n\r\nLILLA KALMAN: But it's everywhere.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568#t=3305.0,3355.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568/transcript/85043/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 14]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER17: In tantrism, does duality and non-duality exist simultaneously?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. Yeah, always, yeah. It does not involve journey particularly, but self-existing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568#t=3355.0,3374.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568/transcript/85043/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: CLOSING REMARKS]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well maybe we should get into discussion tonight.\r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568#t=3374.0,3381.47263"}]},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568/transcript/85044","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["19730426VCTR1-Captions [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568/transcript/85044/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ARP SLATE: This is the\nVenerable Chogyam\nTrungpa Rinpoche,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568#t=0.54,4.659"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568/transcript/85044/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"University of Colorado classes,\n1973. This is class number nine,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568#t=4.659,9.19"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568/transcript/85044/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\"The Buddhist Approach\nto Mysticism,\"\nheld April 26th, 1973.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568#t=9.19,15.41"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568/transcript/85044/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This is an ARP digital\nremaster made December 2006.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568#t=15.41,22.73"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568/transcript/85044/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ORIGINAL SLATE: This is a recording\nof Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche's\nclass on Tibetan Buddhism","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568#t=22.73,27.81"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161719/file/293568/transcript/85044/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"held April 26th,\n1973 at the University\nof 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