{"@context":"http://iiif.io/api/presentation/3/context.json","id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/iiif/qn5z60f55h/manifest","type":"Manifest","label":{"en":["1973-05-06: Devotional Buddhism of Tibet: Talk 2: An Ordinary Human Being"]},"logo":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/209/original/cti-library-logo-blue-text.png?1672724952","metadata":[{"label":{"en":["Date"]},"value":{"en":["1973-05-06"]}},{"label":{"en":["Format"]},"value":{"en":["Audio"]}},{"label":{"en":["Location"]},"value":{"en":["Boulder, Colorado, USA"]}},{"label":{"en":["Event Type"]},"value":{"en":["Public Seminar"]}},{"label":{"en":["Seminar or Series Title"]},"value":{"en":["\u003ca href=\"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/playlists/649/show\"\u003eDevotional Buddhism of Tibet\u003c/a\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Talk Title"]},"value":{"en":["Talk 2: An Ordinary Human Being"]}},{"label":{"en":["Theme"]},"value":{"en":["Buddhist Foundations"]}},{"label":{"en":["Summary"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eA talk about devotion in the hinayana. That one's sense of inadequacy is what opens one to devotion. Feeling of poverty, not knowing how to get out of discomfort, leads one to take refuge. Sense of devotion in hinayana as somewhat dualistic. Hinayanist's attitude toward the Buddha is that he was a human being, and same applies to one's teacher or spiritual friend -- that he or she is ordinary human being who possesses knowledge, and you may not. Describes traditional style of hinayana devotion as supporting monks and nuns, allying oneself with them through alms as a way of connection to the teachings. Encourages everyone to examine ideas of devotion in each yana critically.\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication"]},"value":{"en":["UNPUBLISHED"]}},{"label":{"en":["Transcription Credits"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eFeb 22 2020 to Feb 13 2021 Transcribing: Mary Beth Kean Checking: Ella Milligan Final Proof: Anne Seidlitz Other Contributors: Lynn Friedman, Warner Dick\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003e© Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Year"]},"value":{"en":["1973"]}}],"summary":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eA talk about devotion in the hinayana. That one's sense of inadequacy is what opens one to devotion. Feeling of poverty, not knowing how to get out of discomfort, leads one to take refuge. Sense of devotion in hinayana as somewhat dualistic. Hinayanist's attitude toward the Buddha is that he was a human being, and same applies to one's teacher or spiritual friend -- that he or she is ordinary human being who possesses knowledge, and you may not. Describes traditional style of hinayana devotion as supporting monks and nuns, allying oneself with them through alms as a way of connection to the teachings. Encourages everyone to examine ideas of devotion in each yana critically.\u003c/p\u003e"]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003e\u0026copy; Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved -\u0026nbsp;Not to be Distributed or Reproduced\u003c/p\u003e"]}},"provider":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["Chogyam Trungpa Digital Library"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["Chogyam Trungpa Digital Library"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/209/original/cti-library-logo-blue-text.png?1672724952","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collections/default_thumbs/000/002/230/small/Logo-Audio-Red.png?1766080315","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 1 - open-uri20260128-3797118-jtxr1.mpga"]},"duration":4053.02856,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collections/default_thumbs/000/002/230/small/Logo-Audio-Red.png?1766080315","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072/content/1/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-cti.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/301/072/original/open-uri20260128-3797118-jtxr1.mpga?1769642312","type":"Audio","format":"audio/mpeg","duration":4053.02856,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072/transcript/89224","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["19730506VCTR1-Transcript [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072/transcript/89224/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[19730506VCTR1 - Public Seminar - Boulder - The Devotional Buddhism of Tibet - Talk 2]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]\r\n\r\n\r\nARP SLATE: This is the Venerable Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, seminar on The Devotional Buddhism of Tibet, held in Boulder, Colorado. This is talk number two, May 6, 1973. This is an ARP digital remaster made December, 2006.\r\n\r\n\r\nORIGINAL SLATE: This is Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche at the Devotional Buddhism Seminar in Boulder, 1973. This is lecture number two, May 6th.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072#t=0.0,30.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072/transcript/89224/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: MAIN TALK]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: As the basic ground of devotion, or the basic approaches of devotion we discussed yesterday, there had to be a certain detailed, precise style of idea of devotion. And we might say to begin with the primitive aspect of the devotion, or the immediate, the simple-- simplistic mind of the devotion. Certain mental attitude connected with simplicity, or simpleton.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072#t=30.0,96.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072/transcript/89224/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"As we discussed yesterday that the truth, or the notion of freedom, can be only founded on one's own inadequacy, rather than believing the myth or the stories of the past, as such. That one's own inadequacy begin to push us into a very devotional situation. That we begin to feel we are poor, we are psychologically nervous wreck. Spiritually, no achievement, but we are still hungry for the knowledge, for the wisdom. So, from that point of view we could say quite safely, the notion of devotion is that of awareness of one's own poverty. Which is not ideally non-dualistic, or ideally transcending or transcendental, or glorious one of anything at all -- it's very wretched one somewhat, you could say, almost. It's too painful or too poor. But nevertheless, many cases that we always begin that way. We begin to realize that we are not adequate, and we are not up to it. That we feel that we are... completely stupid. And even little lighthouses we might have in the midst of darkness, and even those lighthouses seemingly to be somewhat feeble, questionable. Whether we can maintain that light of the lighthouse, whether we can maintain that star in the midst of darkness, is questionable.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072#t=96.0,259.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072/transcript/89224/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So the notion of devotion comes from ultimate comparative, at least at the beginning in the hinayana style anyway. Sense of poverty, sense of that wretchedness. No inspirations as to leap, or as to reference to leap, or as to reference to transcending the barriers of samsara and nirvana as such, at all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072#t=259.0,315.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072/transcript/89224/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"From the hinayanist's point of view, devotion is also taking refuge. That you are inadequate. That you are trapped in the problems of life: neurosis, psychosis, emotional hang ups, complications of life situation. That we've been barred into this little nest which we trying to make comfortable situation, but unable to do so. That we are completely in a state of claustrophobia. That we want to get out of this. That life is painful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072#t=315.0,391.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072/transcript/89224/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"At the same time you might say that certain people might have inspired dream or vision, that, you know, you feel that you would like to search further, reach greater depth of spiritual quest, odyssey. Possibly you have the money or possibly you have the energy to hitchhike out to India. And you are extraordinary charming person, and somebody gives you the ticket to fly out, or somebody includes you in the charter flight to visit the guru. But still it is the same kind of mentality, same kind of approach. Those situations of having lots of money or having lots of flair in terms of your personality and you get lots of help, to get into the teaching, whatever. But fundamentally-- it seemingly it is rich and exciting life that someone is leading; enviable to some other people, who are stuck in the suburb of New York City or somewhere, that you have to maintain your daily living situation. To them, such other person is obviously more exciting, more challenging, that person has all kinds of developed heroic mentalities. But nevertheless, beyond that is still poverty-stricken.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072#t=391.0,498.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072/transcript/89224/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\"All these situations that I have are okay and beautiful, fantastic. That I meant to do this. But nevertheless, beyond that I don't have something I would like to have, and I'm still poor.\" The first booster is rich, but one is uncertain as to how to get-- relate with the second booster of actually relating with the teaching or learning situation, that one still would feel that teaching is too precious, too rich. That \"Could I digest? Could I learn? Could I relate with it at all, or not?\" Is questionable. Still there is a sense of poverty. And because of this poverty, therefore the devotion becomes much more *pronounced*.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072#t=498.0,568.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072/transcript/89224/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm not particularly advocating that or criticizing that, but what I'm doing here is just present all possible-- all kinds of possible choices that does exist in the spiritual search, in connection with the relation of devotion.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072#t=568.0,593.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072/transcript/89224/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Hinayana's approach to devotion is that, philosophically the hinayanists regard Buddha as ordinary human being who become enlightened. But his having body, still inherit certain karmic debts of this world. His body is one of the last, or the latest of samsaric expression, because he simply had to have a body. Which means he also had to get sick or die, subject to death and birth, and illness and so forth, old age and so forth. That's the hinayanist approach, that Buddha is ordinary human being, son of man. Who are-- his mind may be enlightened, highest state of arhat, his mind may be. As far as his body is concerned he is still subject to samsaric karmic debt.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072#t=593.0,677.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072/transcript/89224/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It seems that's the point where the devotion comes to Buddha, from hinayanists' point of view. You could say of not only Buddha alone, but any other spiritual friend or teacher or guru you might have, that you would say that the body of this particular guru is subject to mundane living situation. Because this guru sleeps at night, gets up during the day, eats breakfast and lunch and dinner. And his body gets dirty, he needs to take shower, bath. His clothes need to be laundered, and washed. He get occasional headaches, and had to take aspirin. That this person is still subject to ordinary living situation -- as much as we are, in ordinary living situation. But his mind is highly developed. He is awake. Close to enlightenment, or, at enlightenment.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072#t=677.0,763.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072/transcript/89224/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That seem to be hinayana's approach, is that physical situation of guru is being still bounded by ordinary, daily, domestic, physical living situations. Psychologically higher, much more higher, greater. And similarly, if that logic extends beyond spirituality, we could also say the same thing about revolutionaries or the politicians, who are still in the boundary of physical discomfort and comfort oriented. But psychologically they are have tremendous broader vision, of field of politics, field of economy, whatever; philosophy or so forth.\r\n\r\n\r\nI'm not saying this particular point that's the wrong attitude or the right attitude, at all. I feel I should refuse to comment from that area, as my boss tell me. [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072#t=763.0,869.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072/transcript/89224/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Then we begin to develop paternal relationships, maternal relationships, or parental relationships, with the guru, devotion. That guru becomes more lovable -- and likable. Because this guru shares your basic need, as much as anybody else. \"So I could fix a nice dinner for him. Since he has a body he enjoys those things. And I could relate with him. By relating with his bodily needs and his likable situation and his indulgences, in the physical realm, would lead me into knowing him much more further. And his depth or his hidden mystical spiritual profundity could be communicated. Invite him for dinner, and cook appropriate food that he likes, or produce appropriate booze that he likes.\" And then we could extend our spiritual quest *through* that.\" Which is a sort of hinayana approach.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072#t=869.0,964.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072/transcript/89224/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Traditionally in India, the time of the Buddha, and also several centuries after, as well as presently, such thing exist-- such practices exist in Theravadin Buddhist countries. Is that you invite a group of monk, midday meal. Offer them feast. Which might contain twenty-five or fifteen courses of delicious food, as if you were entertaining a royal personage. Having fed them, offered them food, after, when the meal is, over, you prostrate to them, and to say that, \"Please give us teaching.\" And then, one of the leaders of that particular party of monks would give you a sermon.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072#t=964.0,1036.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072/transcript/89224/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's being practiced, traditionally inherited from time of Buddha. That Buddha was invited in a similar way as well. He was given good meal, and after the meal is completed and the monks had washed their begging bowls, and washed their hands, and relaxed, then teaching begins. That's traditional practice.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072#t=1036.0,1080.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072/transcript/89224/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But there seem to be another area that we haven't looked into it, from the hinayanist's point of view, of devotion. Is that why laymen devote so much to the monk or the nuns, is that the person who are involved with the spirituality, hundred percently involved with the spirituality is the-- those are the monks or the nuns. That's one of the basic point, that we have to be quite clear from the hinayainst's point of view. That unless person give up the worldly commitments of any kind, that they are not full-fledged candidate for nirvana, to achieving nirvana, enlightenment. That they have to commit themselves fully, thoroughly, lead twenty-four hours life of spirituality, spiritual trip. And you been fed-- they been fed, by the devotees who feel they're worthy of encouraging their practice, sustain them, encourage their practice, for the benefit of sentient beings.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072#t=1080.0,1186.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072/transcript/89224/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's like sending your children to school. And working-- parents working hard, so that enough money is generated so that your children become highly educated person, so that your children could help the rest of the world. Which is understandable. Great idea. In order to do that you also need a tremendous amount of discipline, and devotion, and believing, trusting in what your children is committed, or your person who you are supporting are-- persons that you are supporting are worthy person to support. Tremendous sense of devotion is involved. But in this case it is hierarchical devotional practice. Which I am not particularly criticizing or encouraging, but presenting as straight from horse's mouth, of the tradition.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072#t=1186.0,1273.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072/transcript/89224/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And such practice is extremely demanding, as far as development of laymen are concerned, or the people who take part in that devotional practice, who receives the devotions of from the other people. Concerned-- extraordinarily challenging, because you begin to feel that you are holding the thread of their livelihood, their faith, their trust in you, and your trust in them, their trust in you, that you have a tremendous sense of responsibility. It's no means that you are just purely rolling in the lap of luxury, and just eating a lot, and just doing nothing, at all; that's quite different. The common people might feel that, \"I work hard for this and why should I do this for *him*? Because he is going to attain enlightenment. I'm left behind, as still wretched person.\" [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072#t=1273.0,1343.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072/transcript/89224/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Somehow that mentality doesn't apply anymore. The general mentality is that mutual effort -- like if you got your car stuck in the mud, that all the passengers get out of the car, and begin to push, except the driver who have to maneuver the mechanics of the car, which is not regarded as he is seeking for comfort, by no means. But he is-- the driver who push the acceleration or the-- he put his car into gear, that's the monk or the nun, who give up his livelihood, in the ordinary worldly living situation. But the rest of the people who pushes the car, is those of the laymens who support him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072#t=1343.0,1396.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072/transcript/89224/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So it is mutual effort. If anybody like to get into that car, and play the act of the driver then you are becoming monk or nun. So there is no-- it's all-- whole thing seem to be democratic from that point of view. Which is extraordinary situation, that devotion to sangha, community of monks, who are searching for the path, from this point of view becomes extraordinarily powerful one, extremely convincing one. Which is as the scriptures talks about the highest devotions of all is to involve-- engage yourself into twenty-four hours practice, every day life situation. So that seem to be the first devotional examples.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072#t=1396.0,1473.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072/transcript/89224/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Which is extraordinarily positive, as far as the spiritual materialism is concerned; from that point of view there's no problem at all. Because if you are become monk, part of the sangha, that you are involved with that situation, so therefore you can't cop out, or you can't chicken out. So there is constant challenges, to keep you away from that spiritual materialistic trip.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072#t=1473.0,1511.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072/transcript/89224/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And perhaps we should leave our discussion there tonight, and we could have question period. And I prefer that if you took that particular thing seriously and discuss with it tomorrow with the tape, would be interesting on what you come up with it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072#t=1511.0,1541.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072/transcript/89224/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 1]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: You said that devotion is taking refuge in a poverty approach from the hinayana. Yet when we took refuge, you communicated to us that it was not a declaration of our inadequacy but rather our adequacy, that we were declaring ourselves adequate enough to become refugees. What's the difference in--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I don't think there's any differences. When you say that you are adequate enough, that is that as if you are speaking from poverty's point of view. It's saying same thing. Maybe different approach but [laughs].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072#t=1541.0,1595.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072/transcript/89224/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 2]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Jim.\r\n\r\n\r\nUNCONFIRMED JIM: From the last night's talk, when you are talking about the idea of devotion and its relationship to the grayness, everybody sort of attaining this grayness level. From my experience when I feel, you know, when I-- seems to me to be devotion, I feel very un-gray, you know I feel like a very personal kind of sense of, \"This is me being devoted.\" And I don't understand how that relationship should be or, you know, what's exactly going on.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Did you say personal?\r\n\r\n\r\nUNCONFIRMED JIM: Yeah. I mean when I feel that I am experiencing say an element of devotion, it doesn't feel-- I don't feel like particularly gray, in the sense of, you know, blending in. It feels like me personally--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nUNCONFIRMED JIM: --being devoted, rather than you know just--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, I mean, okay that's slightly sort of hinayana approach, of that still you comparing with the largeness or the smallness of it. But that seem to be primary starting point of devotion, which is necessarily, usually comes-- I mean starting from your devotion to your parents; your father, mother, that they are personally connected to you, that they have a personal relationship with you, and they help as far as they can, to your maturity. I think that's okay, but usually you see, we might proclaim ourselves as being mahayanists or the vajrayanists, but still our devotional situation's concerned, that we have to start from hinayanist point of view, that still related with the big and small, and personal the impersonality. But when you get into the impersonality of devotion thing, that you are getting into a vajrayana approach; in fact you are boycotting the mahayana as well.\r\n\r\n\r\nSo I think that is necessary, that you begin to feel that there is some sense of security, some sense of relationship, in which that you did not understand the meaning of life. And there was teaching which taught the reason and the meaning of life. And you feel personally connected with that, attracted to that, and your approach is logistic, and real. You feel quite sure about the whole thing. Which comes, in all of us, always, as we begin ourselves. So we could say that devotion practice that goes on in our scene, is still very much of hinayana kind of devotion. Which is common to everybody here. \"Here\", quote quote. [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072#t=1595.0,1810.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072/transcript/89224/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 3]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: Is there some connection between the non-hierarchical style of people who in hinayana -- where monks and laymen are depending on each other without the feeling of hierarchical idea -- is that connected with being the being melted into the gray pot, somehow?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Not yet. It seems that we are, you know, too wrapped up in how to begin, rather than how to proceed. Strangely enough that our scene here, or teaching that developed here, did not really involved thoroughly and fully how to *proceed*. But we are still involved with how to begin in different ways. And we are still beginning all kinds of situations -- like for instance moving into this building, this home, from the other place is, we're still learning how to begin, rather than how to proceed. And everything that goes on with that is related with how to begin rather than how to proceed.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: So being melted into the pot is how-- is related with how to proceed?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: That's preconditioned then, for any of the further developments.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072#t=1810.0,1895.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072/transcript/89224/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 4]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Rinpoche, that sense of inadequacy that you talked about, is also presumably how to begin. But it seems to have with it, you know, an attitude of poverty. And that seems to be sort of a very materialistic thing. You know, the more inadequate one-- I feel the more, you know, one has a sense that somebody else has it-- has something to offer, or you know, something to get, or something like that. That basically, you know, that confuses me, when I see the sense of inadequacy as being very-- and insecurity as being very powerful. But that darkness that comes in just seems to be hanging there too.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think that's reciprocal situation, that inadequacy provides a reason you should search, for something. If you don't feel inadequacy you don't search for anything; you begin to relax. In other word inadequacy is equal to that of pain, somewhat. And because of that, therefore you develop a sense of intelligence. Sharpness. Because you feel discomforting in inadequacy. That's sort of both acts as reciprocal situation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072#t=1895.0,1990.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072/transcript/89224/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 5]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: I can see how accepting, or being willing to show your inadequacy and your grossness, and embarrassing... you know stupidity and stuff, could be helpful in you know, in getting a view of yourself, which is practically beyond good and bad. But how do you use that sort of understanding you gain from digging out your shit or from displaying your shit? I mean is there some way to use that understanding without it being materialistic, or deceptive?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I mean if you try to avoid materialistic approach, then you have become super-materialistic as well at same time. It seem that need certain amount of trusting, and leaping.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: And what?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Leaping. That you are prepared to experience pain, or the discomfort. You're prepared to do it. At the same that you feel that you can handle, if any outrageous situations come up which is you're prepared for it in any case. But tonight's discussion, talk, is that the idea of devotion, from direct and simple situation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072#t=1990.0,2111.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072/transcript/89224/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 6]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: This hinayana level of devotion, I'm really interested by what you were saying about the relationship between the sangha, and the lay community, and that metaphor of the car with the driver. But what is it really that the sangha is doing for the lay people, or what is that they are all doing together?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: The sangha is being brave that he is decided involved into the-- plunge into the whole trip. The lay people are just watching that his trip will act as a rehearsal for the lay people.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: A rehearsal?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes. You could watch rehearsal. Not even rehearsal but you could watch the rehearsal.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: How do they work together, I mean?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: They work together as performance and audience. Or the guest or the host.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072#t=2111.0,2195.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072/transcript/89224/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 7]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: Rinpoche, last night you said that we should question the whole thing and you know you brought that up a number of times before, the whole thing of questioning the whole idea of Buddhism and the whole idea of the dharma, or transmission. [Laughs] But now you're saying, as you've also said before--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm? [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: --that the dharma, you know, that there's-- that everything else is just, you know, an audience. Or that everything else, you know, is--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I mean that's saying same thing is, I would like to you to question this statement tonight as well. I mean that's providing basic ground. And what I'm planning to present of the seminar is that present of each own hinayanist point of view of devotion, completely and thoroughly, tonight and maybe tomorrow a little bit more. And then we could present the mahayanist approach of devotion, which means that looking into the hinayanists' mistakes of the devotional practices, and whether should develop beyond that, what mahayanists have discovered. So, we are constantly looking very critically, of the all the stages, until we get to vajrayana thing. Even that could be question as well. So it's that you present a case, that case prove to be okay, for the time being. But then some other intelligence begin to look in that particular case. That discover that case made is good, but still that case has problems, or inadequacies happening as well, at same time.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: In other words there's no possibility of movement without question?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I mean questioning is always, always applicable, always; that there should be no blind faith. That blind faith, if you could simplify the whole thing by saying, the approach towards blind faith is spiritual materialism, and the approach towards non-blind faith and the critical attitude is the transcending spiritual materialism. I think that's very definite, you know, that's the basic formula, if you like to look at that way; you could write on your posters. [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072#t=2195.0,2374.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072/transcript/89224/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 8]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: Rinpoche, it seems that that the division between the monks and the laymen seems very limiting to either side. And for the laymen it seems almost as though, like you hire someone to meditate for you, and for the monks it seems that the whole-- the aspect of being supported by the laymen removes you from dealing with the, you know, really basically and simply, with the you know living situation. It's like kind of either case, it seems to limit people, by being on those two extremes.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. That's true. But still there's-- it's not as crude as that. There is some intelligence happening, in which that -- it's like how to relate with the artists or musicians. That you support certain great artists and musicians, because they produce a work of art, which will affect the rest of humanity. But you don't particularly resent of because of having him certain talent, certain commitment to his work of art. You begin to support him, so consequently *you* become involved into the work of art, as well, yourself, because you're supporting that particular person. So, I mean it's a reciprocal relationship. But to begin with maybe, maybe sound like very heavy-handed, because artist knows everything about art. The supporter does not have any ideas at all. But as the supporter begin to relate with the work of art, himself or herself, then he begin to realize the work of art as well. So the-- when the-- on the process that whole thing become the reciprocal situation. That's what the hinayanists would say, in fact.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: That's why the artist teach-- tries to teach the layman something.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: Or relates back to it--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: The supporting the artist means learning process. Otherwise you have no reason to support. If the artist will tell you that, what kind of brushes that you want to buy, you know, how much they cost. What is mean, what purpose of it contains, having such brushes or certain canvas or whatever, then the buyer or the supporter begin to relate with the whole thing as well at the same time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072#t=2374.0,2538.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072/transcript/89224/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 9]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: Is there any sense of devotional relationship between the monks themselves and, say their senior monks or their elders?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think that's also same thing as well, because reciprocal situation happens all the time, with the senior monks and junior monks. Because there's a sense of uplifting their discipline, until the discipline begin to become lifestyle rather than purely punishment or discipline, in the ordinary sense.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: But no teacher- student relationship necessarily?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. I think so yeah. About situation. That if you didn't wash your dishes properly, and left grease on a plate, the overseer of your washing dishes would act as guru, from that point of view. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072#t=2538.0,2603.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072/transcript/89224/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 10]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: Would you suggest that an accumulation of knowledge aids understanding of the truth?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Can you repeat that again please?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: Do you suggest that an accumulation of knowledge or more understanding, or perhaps intellectual pursuits, gives one a better understanding, or aids one in finding the truth?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Intellectual understanding as well as practice, which is meditation. But you don't trying to pursue a ideal idea. Your search would be just your being on the path, rather that you're getting the goal.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: Do you feel that that the truth is a very complicated or a very simple thing?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Both. Depends on how you approach.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: Because it seems if one approach is the truth through desires, in finding the truth. and getting more knowledge. And seems like a lot of people get hung up on trying to find truth through knowledge.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. that's true. What's the other aspect of it? What's the other aspect?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: The other?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: You asking me?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: Well perhaps that was the only aspect of it. I don't understand your question to me.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: What are you suggesting in contrast to that question, of accumulating knowledge?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: Well, it seems like some people spend their lives accumulating knowledge in seeking the truth. And is that-- who is to say what the right path is, because it's different for every individual. And I'm not trying to contrast anything, except that I feel like some people suggest that it's very-- it's a very complicated thing, and if they go through their whole lives feeling that it's very complicated and very complex. And perhaps the truth is a very simple thing to understand.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well from that point of view truth is very simple thing. I quite agree with you. But at the same time, if you-- I mean you can't say that the truth fits everybody's style. You can't say that. Somebody's in the verge of suicide. Somebody's on verge of creating a gigantic universal war. And somebody's going to become enlightened. And somebody's going to become a charlatan, to con lot of people and put them into misery, of his artificialities. And those truth are different. You can't say all truth are the same, from that point of view. Because some truth are false, some truths are *right*. That's the-- I mean, I'm sorry I have to say that.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10 : Sure I understand. That the truth is both right and wrong is both true and false.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: You don't agree with this? You feel that the truth is right?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Right and wrong are both truth.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: That's what I was saying.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No, you are not saying that. [Laughter] That being right is also false. Being truth is also true.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: I agree with you.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I don't believe you. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: I acknowledge, but I don't believe this.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: There's no other examination for you. [Laughter; laughs] [rings gong]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072#t=2603.0,2887.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072/transcript/89224/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 11]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: Devotion is one expression of meditation. Is that what you were saying earlier, that it was--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. Devotion is how that we relate with our daily living situation, in which that there is a sense of duality could develop. Sense of duality in a sense that you are practicing, you're not practicing. You're being sloppy, you're being watchful, that's starting-- first starting point of devotion. You've been tending your meditation practices or you haven't been. That's the first *primary* starting point of devotion. I mean there's no point by saying that, \"Everything's all one; in any case I meditate and everything is groovy. All the time I meditate.\" And that's not devotional. That's egocentric. But, on the other hand you could say that \"I meditated all over; that I find everything is peaceful and high, spiritually soothing. Whatever I do is always has meaning in me, and everything is beautiful, and I had the sense of highness all over happening. Immediate when I begin to think about the teachings, it makes me *happy* [laughter]. And high.\" That's also not devotional. That's also another indulgency. So that between the two is that, sense of duality is important, to begin with the spiritual approach, is that we do talk about non-duality in Buddhism generally, but as beginners as such, that accentuating the duality seem to be important. That there is period of you are not meditative situation, and you are in meditative situation. Things are very clear-cut. You could be frivolous, you could be free. The difference in frivolousness and spontaneity is very sharp, very important. And so things are very clear-cut to begin with. If you don't sit and meditate or don't develop your awareness, from the hinayanist point of view that you are regarded as bad boy. You should trying to raise your standard of living, becoming a better person.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072#t=2887.0,3069.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072/transcript/89224/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 12]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: I'm wondering if you feel that \"so what?\" enters [INAUDIBLE]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Can you say that again?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: I'm wondering if you feel that \"so what?\", ever enters into a state of being?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's saying the same thing. There seem to be two style of saying \"so what?\"\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: Not in an off sort of manner.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well you could say \"so what.\"\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: But still care.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. And \"so what?\" You don't care.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: Or nothing.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: At this point is \"so what?\" because you care. Is the first starting point of view. And non-caring, \"So what? Everything is groovy,\" is not so hot. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: So, that's [INAUDIBLE]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hot. [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: I just hate this continual judging of myself--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No, but just \"so what?\", you know--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: I'm high, I'm low, I'm this, I'm that. I'm whatever. And I read your book MEDITATION IN ACTION and kind of, what you said about meditating and an outgoing rather than an ingoing sort of feeling, is a giving out, instead of a *continually* thinking of yourself, which may get to be \"so what?\" if you got an outflow going.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It's not such a question of \"so what?\" in how you meditate but \"so what?\" what's happening in daily life situations. How you live. And you could say \"so what?\" you know, carelessly. \"If I freak out, the looney bin going to take me into. And I get food and clothes and shelter, they going to give me. So what? It's okay. [Laughter] And that's very good because they begin to feel me as a public nuisance, therefore they going to put me in a certain institution, which is more prosperous and appropriate place to be in.\" And another \"so what?\" is that \"I feel awake and high in spirituality, and so what? -- that I don't care about anything, or listening that thing, whatever.\" But that both \"so what?\" are seem to be equally questionable, that you are going one extreme to another extreme. The one extreme is that you become teenager, rebellious, would like to commit yourself into looney bin. The other one is that you fought your life *so much*, that you want to become hardened person, who would not give grudge against anything. You will not hold onto your-- [unknown gesture] [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: Well I enjoyed what you said about the purposelessness of meditating.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You did? [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: Don't meditate for a purpose! I really thought that was neat. [Laughter] I don't want to sit here and be holy. I really don't!\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. *We* meditate for the hell of it. [Laughter; laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: That's very appropriate.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072#t=3069.0,3331.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072/transcript/89224/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 13]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: How does Don Juan's practice of losing self-importance relate to devotion?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Same thing. It's idea of giving away.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: Is that a hinayana situation?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, I think it's hinayana. [Laughter] I think so, yeah. We could say that Don Juan's approach to morality is very much of hinayana, and Don Juan's approach to -- what's the other word? -- experience or insight, is that of very much of Yogachara of mahayana. Or we could say tantric Yogacharans style. [Laughter] And it seems that his approach is understandable, but at the same time there is too much conservatism is involved.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072#t=3331.0,3405.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072/transcript/89224/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 14]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER16: That last thing was interesting -- too much conservatism. It seems that we're talking about the guru or teacher as parent, and the disciple as child. It seems we're talking very much about the pathology of the child here, and the pathology of the parent, in this relationship, in hinayana between the teacher and the disciple. So that the student thinks that the teacher as parent has something to give. And so this disciple pleases the teacher, gives the teacher food, whatever, and hoping for a payoff, perhaps as a child would. And then one day, as the child's betrayed by the parent and leaves the home, the teacher betrays the student, and the student goes off to another vehicle, to another car. And so very much the child adolescence feeling. It's just the very beginning, wouldn't you say?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Very much so, yeah it's question of-- I mean spiritual reality and spiritual trip, organic journey all together, is related with infanthood, teenager, adolescent, and grownup young man, middle-aged and old, being old, very much so. I mean that's why whole thing is related with a sense of journey. It's not so much of how much you could speed, but how much you could *age*, and you could-- you can't become-- you cannot get twenty-first birthday, if you're so much you want, that your parents going to give you whole estate, or big land or big house for you. You can't run fast to become that. You have to wait every day. So that until you become twenty-first age, you have to wait for it. You cannot rush, you cannot drive fast, or fly fast.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072#t=3405.0,3567.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072/transcript/89224/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: ANNOUNCEMENT]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER17: But excuse me Rinpoche would you-- I mean would Helen Jones please call her babysitter? [Laughter] \r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What did he say? [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nAUDIENCE: He's asking for somebody to call their babysitter.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER17: Is there a Ellen Jones or a Helen Jones here? Her babysitter is calling. Because there's something wrong with the baby.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072#t=3567.0,3605.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072/transcript/89224/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 15]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER18: Was Naropa's approach to Tilopa that of hinayana devotion, when he was, you know, dealing [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Coming up. Did you say?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER18: Well, when he was going through you know his initial stages of his relationship of actually being with Tilopa, was that hinayana devotion, do you think?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Problem with Naropa getting Tilopa and meeting with him, is because there's so much hinayana, hinayanistic version of devotion, which puts him off. He was too much of into that. That's why he was delayed. That was hang-up. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072#t=3605.0,3659.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072/transcript/89224/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 16]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER19: What is it-- I'm not sure I understand what is it about his approach that's hinayanistic. Is it too literal? Not willing to account for all possible situations?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah but not relate-- not willing to relate with the equal dance, but somebody's going to give you something. And somebody had to really receive it, rather than working together. That's not exactly mahamudra approach, but is \"hinamudra\" approach. 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Is this related to some other aspects of hinayana, like abhidharma, where you sort of clarified dualistic categories you know--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think so, yeah. [Laughter] I think what we have to do is that we have to really look into what [INAUDIBLE] be able to do it, slowly. But look into the process of development. That hinayana's approach in general, and hinayana's approach in metaphysics, of faith and devotion, to the teaching and teacher. And from there that the whole thing becomes much more clear. 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He did.\r\n\r\n\r\nCYRUS CRANE: Now when he got through with the whole thing, had he graduated, had he-- [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: He did.\r\n\r\n\r\nCYRUS CRANE: I didn't think a smart man like Naropa would have to go through all this business.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: He had to go through it *because* he's smart. [Laughter] That's his hang-up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072#t=3865.0,3974.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072/transcript/89224/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 20]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER23: You said that at the beginning, it's important to have the sharpness of the duality between meditation and non-meditation experience. I guess I feel that sometimes I don't feel that's so sharp for me. What happens if you don't feel that sharpness? Do you have to do something to develop it?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think you have to push yourself. And you have to relate with your phenomenal world, at the same time.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER23: Push yourself in your meditation?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No. In relate with the phenomenal world -- post-meditation practice. Relate with your aggression, passion situation in the world, which brings you up.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER23: And that's not considered meditation?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That is regarded as \"jethop\", which means \"after meditation practices.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072#t=3974.0,4039.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072/transcript/89224/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: CLOSING]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Friends we might have to stop at this point.\r\n\r\n\r\n[Roll down on gong]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072#t=4039.0,4053.02856"}]},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072/transcript/89225","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["19730506VCTR1-Captions [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072/transcript/89225/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ARP SLATE: This is the\nVenerable Chogyam\nTrungpa 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1973.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072#t=8.56,13.27"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072/transcript/89225/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This is an ARP digital remaster\nmade December, 2006.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072#t=13.27,18.51"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072/transcript/89225/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ORIGINAL SLATE: This is\nChogyam Trungpa 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I really don't!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072#t=3290.2,3293.52"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072/transcript/89225/annotation/657","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\n*We* meditate\nfor the hell of it.\n[Laughter; laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072#t=3293.52,3325.28"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072/transcript/89225/annotation/658","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER14: That's very appropriate.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072#t=3325.28,3328.74"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072/transcript/89225/annotation/659","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER15: How does\nDon Juan's practice","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072#t=3331.52,3333.72"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072/transcript/89225/annotation/660","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"of losing self-importance\nrelate to devotion?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072#t=3333.72,3338.68"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072/transcript/89225/annotation/661","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Same thing.\nIt's idea of giving away.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072#t=3338.68,3343.47"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/165480/file/301072/transcript/89225/annotation/662","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER15: Is that a\nhinayana situation?\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, I think\nit's hinayana. 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