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Participating were Chogyam Trungpa, Allen Ginsberg, William Burroughs, Philip Whalen, Anne Waldman, David Rome, and to a lesser extent W.S. Merwin, Gregory Corso, others. Burroughs addresses his views on machines and clearing the mind. Trungpa Rinpoche and David Rome propose meditation as the path to going beyond conditioned mind. Trungpa Rinpoche steers the discussion toward poetry, saying that one should write after coming out of retreat, that meditation is not meant to be \"productive.\" Burroughs proposes that it can be done simultaneously. Ginsberg says he was inspired to write poetry to help people and society. Burroughs says Ginsberg's poetry created a \"cultural revolution.\" A particular point of interest is Phillip Whalen describing his poetic process, as sometimes starting with a word, or overhearing a conversation on a bus. He also discusses his relationship to sitting zazen and writing poetry. Other poets and writers referenced include Wordsworth, Coleridge, Thomas Hardy, and Alfred Korzybski.\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication"]},"value":{"en":["BOOK: Collected Works Vol 07","JOURNAL: Loka 2"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication Details"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eCOLLECTED WORKS VOL 7: Selected Writings: \"Poets' Colloquium\"\u003cbr\u003e-- from \u003ca href=\"https://www.shambhala.com/the-collected-works-of-chogyam-trungpa-381.html\"\u003eShambhala Publications\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLOKA 2: A JOURNAL FROM NAROPA INSTITUTE (out-of-print): \"Poets' Colloquium\"\u003cbr\u003e-- from \u003ca href=\"https://www.amazon.com/LOKA-2-Journal-Naropa-Institute/dp/B0051H89NW/ref=sr_1_2\"\u003eAmazon\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Transcription Credits"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eMay 19 2022 to Nov 08 2022 Transcribing: Ella Milligan Checking: Jessyca Goldstein Final Proof: Anne Seidlitz Other Contributors: Leandra Ziegler, Lynn Friedman, Warner Dick\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["© Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved. Not to be Distributed or Reproduced. Used by permission of Naropa University Library and Archives."]}},{"label":{"en":["Year"]},"value":{"en":["1975"]}}],"summary":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eA free-form discussion about the poetic process, writing while on retreat, different approaches to going beyond conditioned mind, writing as a vocation. Participating were Chogyam Trungpa, Allen Ginsberg, William Burroughs, Philip Whalen, Anne Waldman, David Rome, and to a lesser extent W.S. Merwin, Gregory Corso, others. Burroughs addresses his views on machines and clearing the mind. Trungpa Rinpoche and David Rome propose meditation as the path to going beyond conditioned mind. Trungpa Rinpoche steers the discussion toward poetry, saying that one should write after coming out of retreat, that meditation is not meant to be \"productive.\" Burroughs proposes that it can be done simultaneously. Ginsberg says he was inspired to write poetry to help people and society. Burroughs says Ginsberg's poetry created a \"cultural revolution.\" A particular point of interest is Phillip Whalen describing his poetic process, as sometimes starting with a word, or overhearing a conversation on a bus. He also discusses his relationship to sitting zazen and writing poetry. Other poets and writers referenced include Wordsworth, Coleridge, Thomas Hardy, and Alfred Korzybski.\u003c/p\u003e"]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["© Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved. Not to be Distributed or Reproduced. Used by permission of Naropa University Library and Archives."]}},"provider":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["Chogyam Trungpa Digital Library"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["Chogyam Trungpa Digital Library"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/209/original/cti-library-logo-blue-text.png?1672724952","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/168/934/small/Logo-Audio-Red.png?1666560492","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 1 - 19750620VCTR1-Audio-Prod-CTIAutoRmstr-Access.mp3"]},"duration":3788.72163,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/168/934/small/Logo-Audio-Red.png?1666560492","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/content/1/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-cti.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/168/934/original/19750620VCTR1-Audio-Prod-CTIAutoRmstr-Access.mp3?1666560474","type":"Audio","format":"audio/mpeg","duration":3788.72163,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41338","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["19750620VCTR1-Transcript-Timed [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41338/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[19750620VCTR1 - Naropa Institute - Poets' Colloquium]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]\r\n\r\n\r\nCTI SLATE: This is the Venerable Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, Naropa Institute Poetics Series. Discussion with Poetry Faculty on Enlightenment and Consciousness. Recorded in Boulder, Colorado on June 20th, 1975. This is a CTI auto remaster made May, 2022.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=0.0,26.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41338/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PREAMBLE]\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: He didn't know? He didn't know.\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: Well, Gregory, there's nothing wrong with dope, that this intoxication won't cure.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: These are releases of--\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: One of my great teachers.\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: What the hell is this?\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: One of my great teachers.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: It's a little bureaucracy bullshit, you know. It's some-- it's just releases that--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Heirs, executors, administrators--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: Sounds pretty official, doesn't it?\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: I don't sign no fucking paper.\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: Well I haven't said anything yet. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nANNE WALDMAN: By then you won't-- you wouldn't be able to probably even sign it anyway.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: Do you want to wait until you say something to...\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: Well I can't sign this [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: The ball game was over but you came in late anyway.\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: Look all you got to do is-- all you need is my signature at the bottom, right?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: Right, that's all you got to do. I'll fill in the rest and...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=26.0,86.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41338/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GREGORY CORSO: You're signing your death warrant of the Trungpa, man. And you shouldn't do it. You're signing a death warrant of the Trungpa, Bill. You're doing-- you're signing a death warrant to the guy, man. So his spirituality is finito.There he goes, he signs it. And I'm leaving. [INAUDIBLE] The ball game's over.\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: Okay.\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: He signed. The ball game's over.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Which ball game?\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: Well now there are many ball games.\r\n\r\n\r\nANNE WALDMAN: The Dollhouse is very good.\r\n\r\n\r\nPHILIP WHALEN: Does anybody else want me to sign this?\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: Are you coming with me?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: No, it's okay.\r\n\r\n\r\nGREGORY CORSO: Wilhelm, I'll see you anon.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Okay, come back in a while.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: Bye bye William.\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: Goodbye.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Come back in a while, Gregory.\r\n\r\n\r\n[GAP IN AUDIO]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=86.0,154.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41338/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"WILLIAM BURROUGHS: Yes, it's my profession. If I didn't start writing I would starve to death. [Laughter] Just like a doctor [UNCLEAR: may be blank as a pipe?] but, there's a point when you got to come up with seeing some patients.\r\n\r\n\r\nANNE WALDMAN: I think a doctor is a bad example. You should find something else. Like a carpenter, you know, something else. A doctor is just so--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: So corrupt?\r\n\r\n\r\nANNE WALDMAN: Well doctors aren't [UNCLEAR: that lately?].\r\n\r\n\r\nUNIDENTIFIED: Well it's sort of a good example. You don't know what you're talking about. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: Reminds me of that awful day we all had lunch with Daryl F. Zanuck [INAUDIBLE WORDS]? [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nANNE WALDMAN: I just think you're pushing too hard Allen. [INAUDIBLE] I mean William, you know, ridiculous.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Pushing what do you think?\r\n\r\n\r\nANNE WALDMAN: I don't know, just... you're doing fine though.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: I didn't do nothing to Bill. Am I doing something to you, Bill?\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: [UNCLEAR: Oh no?]\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: I didn't do anything to you, old Bill.\r\n\r\n\r\nANNE WALDMAN: [UNCLEAR: Time to leave?]. [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=154.0,237.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41338/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"WILLIAM BURROUGHS: You know the comments he said about me.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: What did he say about you?\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: He said, \"Well he's doing okay.\" [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: What you-- well you know what he said the first time? \"Why is it every time somebody brings me to meet somebody it turns out great 'stone'.\"\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: Great what?\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: \"Stone\".\r\n\r\n\r\nANNE WALDMAN: Stone.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: A big rock.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: [INAUDIBLE] stone.\r\n\r\n\r\nANNE WALDMAN: Boulder.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Mount Rushmore.\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: I wasn't stoned at all when [INAUDIBLE WORDS]. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: I didn't say you were stoned. I said he's a great stone-- a great thoughtless stone. [Laughter] But what am I doing to Bill? Tell me.\r\n\r\n\r\nANNE WALDMAN: I don't know, Ijust--\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: What are you doing to Bill there?\r\n\r\n\r\nANNE WALDMAN: I can't articulate it.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: What are you doing to me anyway?\r\n\r\n\r\nANNE WALDMAN: Oh, well we won't go into that.\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: What if the cause of the final stage of meditation is a stone. That's what I thought it was, a stone.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=237.0,297.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41338/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ALLEN GINSBERG: When it moves \"round with earth's diurnal things.\" Do you remember that line? [Wordsworth: \"A slumber did my spirit steal\"]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Stocks and stones.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Rocks and bricks--\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: No, no, excuse me. That is the Lucy poem.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Yeah, and what's the line? \"Moves around with earth's diurnal--\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=297.0,311.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41338/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"WILLIAM BURROUGHS: Why not be quiet a minute and I'll remember it. \"No motion has she now, no force;/ She neither hears nor sees;/ Roll'd round in earth's diurnal course,/ With rocks, and stones, and trees.\" [Wordsworth, \"Lucy V\"]\r\n\r\n\r\nHi John, come in.\r\n\r\n\r\nJOHN DECHADENEDES: Hi.\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: They're all waiting on the man.\r\n\r\n\r\nANNE WALDMAN: Hi. Did you bring it? Did you bring the stuff? [GAP IN AUDIO]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What's his name?\r\n\r\n\r\nANNE WALDMAN: [INAUDIBLE]\r\n\r\n\r\n[GAP IN AUDIO]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=311.0,351.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41338/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: INTRODUCTIONS]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: We're going to talk? Open? Something -- are we going to say something about it? \r\n\r\n\r\nUNKNOWN SPEAKER: I don't think so.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Just go right ahead.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You go right ahead, okay. Free style.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Well the company here is Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, Anne Waldman, John DeChadenedes, William Burroughs, Philip Whalen, Landy...\r\n\r\n\r\nANNE WALDMAN: Clarke.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Clarke. Steven.\r\n\r\n\r\nANNE WALDMAN: Berkeley.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Berkeley. I don't know others' names. [Joshua] Zim, Rick Fields, Allen Ginsberg. The evening is June 21st.\r\n\r\n\r\nANNE WALDMAN: What time is it?\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: 1975.\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: 20th.\r\n\r\n\r\nANNE WALDMAN: 20th.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: 20th. And the hour?\r\n\r\n\r\nANNE WALDMAN: A waxing moon.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: 10 pm? 10:30?\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: 10:30.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: 10:30.\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: 10:35, 6. 10:36.\r\n\r\n\r\nANNE WALDMAN: The Emerson Apartments.\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: Greater downtown Boulder.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: 1621 9th Street, Apartment 1.\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: Naropa Institute, 1975.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Boulder, Colorado.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Planet Earth. [Laughter] \r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Solar system.\r\n\r\n\r\nANNE WALDMAN: Planet Earth.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Solar system.\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: 80302\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Spiral Nebula.\r\n\r\n\r\nANNE WALDMAN: 447-9370.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Here we go!\r\n\r\n\r\nPHILIP WHALEN: What's the area code?\r\n\r\n\r\nANNE WALDMAN: 303.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=351.0,457.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41338/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 1]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Going to say something?\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: Well as I understand, you're a little bit dubious should we say, reluctant to admit all these sort of psychic practices like, you know, [laughs] astral projection and feeling colors with your hands, and telepathy and so on. My feeling about these things, frankly, is that they're simply fun, just like skiing or gliding, learning Mexican cooking or something [laughs] like that. I mean, do you seriously object to these practices?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=457.0,511.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41338/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I wouldn't say actually reluctantly. But the question seem to be is these phenomena that we experience is... sort of made up, in our psychic level, whatever. Which we can't actually share with somebody as real as a dollar bill. So that seem to be the problem, always. And also there's another tendency is to get into new world, world-- different dimension, that nobody can share with people in the street, can't share that kind of experience. And further thing is that how much we are making those things up, or actually they are happening? You see that's the kind of... questionable.\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: Yes--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=511.0,579.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41338/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: And no doubt, you know, lot of experience occurred. They do function in individual level. But in terms of public phenomena, somebody might see a PYc, which is defunct now, a jet flying above your head. Or TWA for that matter, which is everybody's common knowledge. But these other things not exactly common knowledge. It may be common knowledge to certain particular circle. And that seem to be the problematic point. And are we going to encourage people to pursue something that is purely in their mind, or are we going to pursue something that they can actually share? And half of the world, or even lesser than that actually, ninety-nine percent of the world haven't realized who they are, to begin with. So it's quite a burden and a lot of baggage--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=579.0,647.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41338/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 2]\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: Yes. But the, you know, the simple consideration I was bringing up, these things are fun and they are-- they're limited, they're only-- I mean the man on the street can't do hang gliding, he can't do ballooning, he can't do mountain climbing. But is that any reason [laughing] why those who can shouldn't? And I think the same thing applies--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Absolutely not.\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: --to astral travel and--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Absolutely not.\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: --all those things, they're just fun.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well absolutely not.\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: They're not supposed to be any final answer. \r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Absolutely not, particularly. Well, everybody's on their own anyway in this world. If they feel rejection from their parents, and they feel acceptance and enlightenment from their teachers, you know -- why not? \r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: In other words what I'm saying is that enlightenment should be fun!\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Should be fun... [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: It isn't always, to be sure.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well not *quite*, but it's difficult to say. [Laughs] But it's not exactly...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=647.0,715.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41338/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 3]\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Well you're also-- now you're proposing astral travel as enlightenment?\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: No.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No, please.\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: No, no. I proposed it simply as fun.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Oh, okay.\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: That's all. Like any sort of travel. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nPHILIP WHALEN: Why should enlightenment be fun or anything else? Why doesn't it just be enlightenment? Like it usually is.\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: Well, incentive learning. [Laughter] People are more interested in doing something that's fun than something that's not fun. Allen, what do you have to say on this question?\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Well I have never experienced astral travel except in dreams. And I don't ever see any [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS. [INAUDIBLE] experience the same thing.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: And I ain't never seen no flying saucers. And all the acid heads that come up to me with all sorts of Tarot with wings and hydra-headed birds coming from Mars with a message of apocalypse, generally are speed freaks. So that I got turned off to... late nineteenth century style magic.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=715.0,797.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41338/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 4]\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: Yes. There's some-- there's a great turn-off in the whole literature of occultism.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Yeah. And also the literature itself often is corny.\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: Such atrocious writing and such a sort of a sleazy second-rate thing that's being put down. I mean the whole literature of Theosophy and so on.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think that has been the problem always. That I think reason why all that thing started is because that there was a need for introducing another dimension of thinking. And that was the closest to they could come up with. That has been always the problem. You know, it's not presented as extraordinary thing, which isn't really. I have experienced astral travel myself, by flying TWA.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=797.0,846.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41338/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"WILLIAM BURROUGHS: Yes. May I ask, have you ever tried to read Aleister Crowley?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. In fact one of the closest student of Aleister Crowley is happens to be good friend of mine. And we talked a certain amount but not a great deal; he's rather discreet about the whole thing, but that area is very interesting.\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: Well he did say something very profound. He was simply re-quoting the Old Man of the Mountain. He said, \"Do what thou wilt. That is the whole of the law.\"\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: Well now, one person in twenty million knows what they want to do. So this is no invitation--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Not quite.\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: --to unrestrained behavior.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well Aleister Crowley himself felt-- he had experience of torturing, death, and all kinds of problems that he faced. That finally the magic of the world is sort of descended on-- upon him, which is an interesting drama, in a sense-- in some sense. There is something is operating, and Buddhists would say it's karma, or karmic force. Or tantrics would say it's the act of the \"vajra principle\", whatever.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=846.0,930.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41338/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"WILLIAM BURROUGHS: Well this is simply a quote, a re-statement, of Hassan-i Sabbah's dying words. \"Nothing is true. Everything is permitted.\" That means, if nothing is t-- that means *if* nothing is true then everything is permitted. If all is illusion, then you can do anything you want.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [Laughs] That's true, but we can't jump out of the window, from Empire State Building.\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: If it's not true?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [Laughs] Maybe to some people it's true. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: Well, exactly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=930.0,966.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41338/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 5]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Do you have anything to say about [INAUDIBLE] [laughing] in this Poetics session?\r\n\r\n\r\nANNE WALDMAN: Not quite yet.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [Laughs] Philip, do you have anything to say?\r\n\r\n\r\nPHILIP WHALEN: I've lost the thread of the argument somehow.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well there isn't a particular argument. I don't think there's a particular thread.\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: Was very, very simple.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Thread.\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: All I said is--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Thread, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: --if everything is illusion then you can do anything you want.\r\n\r\n\r\nPHILIP WHALEN: Oh...\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: I said *if* everything is.\r\n\r\n\r\nPHILIP WHALEN: If it is, and it is, but the thing is: do you want to do anything? What do you want to do?\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: Well you're bringing up the whole question of motivation.\r\n\r\n\r\nPHILIP WHALEN: Yeah, I'm-- no I'm bringing up the question of what you want to do right now? Like, what do you-- what is it that you want to do? And supposing that we're all these illusory bodies sitting around here -- which we are, and so are you -- what is it that you want to do?\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: Cannot be put in words. [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=966.0,1047.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41338/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 6]\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Clarke gave Bill some simple instructions in sitting, according to shamatha style--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah?\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: --earlier this evening while we were waiting for you. And Bill said nothing entered his mind anyway, or something like that, as it was.\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: Yeah. It's no problem to make your mind as blank as a plate.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Was that what Clarke said, you should make your mind a blank? [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Clarke didn't say that, did he?\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: No. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: So that was *his* image.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Clarke, what did you say? [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: No, he did it right.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Oh yeah?\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Everybody was listening, to correct it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=1047.0,1102.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41338/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 7]\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Bill, see-- when I first knew Bill in 1945 or 6, he was studying [Alfred] Korzybski, or he lent-- he gave me Korzybski's SCIENCE AND SANITY. Do you know that book, or of it? General Semantics. The words are not the things that they represent, or-- which is like a Western presentation of the fact that language is not... that the word \"table\" is not the same as a table. So that a goose in a bottle -- you know the koan, the goose in the bottle -- is a verbal construction; you can get it out the same way you started it-- put it in. And he said at the time--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I haven't found out what to do actually.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Pardon me?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That always puzzles me. How to take the goose out.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: It's out the same way you put it in.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: But how you do it?\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: No, it was--\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: You put it in with words, you take it out with words.\r\n\r\n\r\nPHILIP WHALEN: I can hear you honking in there, Allen. Come out.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Well, you're imagining a honk.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I'm not so sure about that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=1102.0,1155.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41338/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ALLEN GINSBERG: But anyway, that's not the point. The point was that Bill said at that time [laughter] 1944, or 5, that his thought process was primarily visual and pictorial rather than verbal. And mine was primarily verbal. So I was always astounded by that, actually.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's interesting point. Yeah--\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: That a *really* interesting point.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Now at this point he, when interrogated, says that he doesn't even have pictures sometimes.\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: Right.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: And that you can control the-- or you can turn it off or turn it on?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=1155.0,1192.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41338/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"WILLIAM BURROUGHS: It's simply a question of sufficient knowledge. Obviously, your brain mechanism, if you understand it fully, you can say, \"Well, turn off the words.\" Very simple. It's a tape recorder anyway. Yes cause Korzybski used to come in, slap a chair and say, \"Whatever this is, is not a chair.\" That it is not the verbal label \"chair\". Another of his great statements was, \"You think as much with your big toe as do you with your brain, and probably much more efficiently.\" These are-- these of course are Buddhist commonplaces.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Or are they?\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: Of course they are.\r\n\r\n\r\nANNE WALDMAN: Sounds like they are.\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: Of course they are.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I think rather Zennish. [Laughter] Definitely yes, you know. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=1192.0,1266.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41338/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 8]\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: You know I had a dream back in 1960 -- 1960, before going to India, '61 -- that there was a big convocation of Tibetans, with a lot of hypes going-- in a construction camp, with a lot of robed Tibetans. And I had been reading The [Tibetan] Book of the Dead and I had the dream of Bill as being a Tibetan-- some sort of a Tibetan cognoscenti, way back... well that's fifteen years ago.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What you make of that? [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Well a wish, certainly, and a prophetic picture of some of-- some of the parts of the situation that we're in now, with Karma Thinley in his robes and next--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Next door?\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: --next door.\r\n\r\n\r\nANNE WALDMAN: Not quite. One more over.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Two doors over.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, how interesting, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Can you hear?\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: And all of us sitting about, and talking about what is the proper practice in America.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=1266.0,1336.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41338/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 9]\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: Well now just suppose we have a machine that wipes out everyone's past conditioning. And this is quite possible in terms of present-day technology. So that people don't have to do any sort of meditation. They just go to the machine -- poof. Their whole conditioning-- their past conditioning, their whole bad karma, is wiped out of their brains. It cannot exist anywhere except in your nervous system, right?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think something more than that.\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: Yes, but it must have a place in your nervous system, through which it manifests itself, for it to be manifest as you.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I think question is why the nervous system had developed at the beginning.\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: Hmm?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: To happen that way. Why the nervous system is developed at the beginning.\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: Ah huh.\r\n\r\n\r\nPHILIP WHALEN: Your nervous system is a-- is comes out of that lunacy when you start out. [Laughing]\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: Yes. And of course we have a nervous system that is already divided, with the two sides of the brain. I think Gregory Bateson has talked quite about--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: --a bit about the two sides.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's true, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: I think that's a very, very important point--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well--\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: --because you talk about compulsive verbalization, well where is it coming from? It's coming from the other side of the brain. Perhaps.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=1336.0,1433.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41338/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I think the point is who is the maker of that? How did the whole thing happens to be that way? Like if you are interested to buying a super sophisticated tape recorder--\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: Exactly.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --you would like to find out what kind of brand it is, and what kind of mind goes behind, you know--\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: Yeah I want a Nagra.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, you know--\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: It's the best tape recorder what can be--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Who made it?\r\n\r\n\r\nPHILIP WHALEN: Naga?\r\n\r\n\r\nANNE WALDMAN: Nagra.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Nagra.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Nagra tape recorder is the best. [Laughter] Naga's a snake-- what's a naga?\r\n\r\n\r\nANNE WALDMAN: They're working on them now.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Snake spirit?\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: No, Bama. You're thinking of a--\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Niagara.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Niagara, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: Niagara. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Water spirit.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Niagara Fall. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=1433.0,1482.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41338/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 10]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well it's a question of taking face value on the who had actually had the brain to, you know, assemble such a machine at the beginning--\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: Precisely, yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --and that seem to be the point that--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=1482.0,1499.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41338/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"WILLIAM BURROUGHS: Have you read Wittgenstein?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Not very much. Well, I think I did [INAUDIBLE]--\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: Yeah, he's says that no-- you can-- no proposition can contain itself as data.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: In other words, the only thing that's not prerecorded in a prerecorded universe is pre-recordings themselves.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: And pre-recording themselves, and keep going that way.\r\n\r\n\r\nWhat happened with Randy, he's going to come back?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: It's all right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=1499.0,1553.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41338/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 11]\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Well do you think you could get a mach-- do you think given sufficient money you could get a machine that would resolve problems of...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Life?\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: No, of the--\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: Wait a minute.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: --of echo, of language or of the word, and the problems of conditioning and--\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: It's not exactly a question of machine. It's a question of the interaction between the machine and the individual.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, yeah. [INAUDIBLE]--\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: In other words, we got machines; we might as well use them.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Which we have, anyway.\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: Which we have. And very, very sophisticated machines indeed. It's a question of an interaction; it's not saying that you will invalidate all the meditative position. But simply that you say that there can be an interaction between that position, and shall we say, data provided by machines which would make it much more efficient, much more precise.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Make a process of self-realization more precise, or wiping out conditioning more precise?\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: And also much more available to large numbers of people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=1553.0,1637.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41338/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ALLEN GINSBERG: But in a way acid is that too.\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: Oh, no no.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Except that people, as soon as they get their conditioning wiped out [INAUDIBLE]--\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: They don't, they don't--\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: --recondition or freak out or...\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: Well of course, I will not--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: I mean I've been you know [INAUDIBLE]. I've been, you know, con-- you know I'm still conditioned. I mean--\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Well yes, so if you got what-- your conditioning wiped out for five minutes, as soon as you turned off the machine, you'd walk right out on the street and stop and have a coke. No?\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: Not necessarily. The-- if the conditioning-- see you've got a series of tape recorders in your brain, and you know that you can wipe out a recording. Simply a question of putting magnet on it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=1637.0,1674.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41338/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 12]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think the problem is you still have the tape in your brain.\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: Suppose you put a magnet on it and it's wiped out?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well still you have the tape, empty tape, which is willing to pick up any new channels. That is always the problem. We can wipe them out, but we still have the tape going on in our brain.\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: Empty?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Empty, sure. Very eager to pick up new [laughs] channel, whatever. [Laughs] And we also have the machine that running around, to-- willing to respond to all kinds of things. Well--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=1674.0,1720.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41338/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"WILLIAM BURROUGHS: No, I was not proposing just some very easy way of doing it, I was simply saying that we can use machines, perhaps to make it more efficient and more available.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: But then maybe it isn't so much fun that way. Like you were saying--\r\n\r\n\r\nANNE WALDMAN: More fun to do it yourself.\r\n\r\n\r\nJOSHUA ZIM: Yeah, it's more fun if you do it yourself.\r\n\r\n\r\nANNE WALDMAN: Cheaper.\r\n\r\n\r\nJOSHUA ZIM: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Well I don't know about that. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nPHILIP WHALEN: And what is \"it\" anyhow?\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: What is it, yes, indeed.\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: What is the \"it\" you're trying to do?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=1720.0,1755.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41338/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 13]\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: Well, I mean that's-- I mean with due respect, in some of the earlier kind of metaphors or notions of meditations that you presented, of a blank mind or getting rid of the, kind of, sum of past conditioning, that's a rather static notion, or decided notion of what the final state of what meditation is. Whereas I think a tradition like Buddhism is really interested in the process of how it goes on right now, how we handle what is there anyhow.\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: Well, presumably if you wiped out your past conditioning, you'll be able to go on from there, wherever you went on to.\r\n\r\n\r\nJOSHUA ZIM: Presumably without wiping it out you'd also be able to go on, in the-- wiping out is a curious intention.\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: No. Most people are not able to wipe out and get beyond their past conditioning. As Bernard Shaw said, \"He who is ignorant of history will suffer its repetition.\" And that goes very well for any individual.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=1755.0,1826.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41338/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 14]\r\n\r\n\r\nJOSHUA ZIM: But then you're stuck with this question of where the intent to wipe it out comes from. And that still remains.\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: No, there's no question there at all. It is simply biologically inappropriate to be reacting to past and future dangers. That's all. It's simply an inappropriate reaction. But you don't have to say anything more than that. That it is very advantageous to be rid of your past conditioning.\r\n\r\n\r\nJOSHUA ZIM: Somewhat.\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: No, absolutely! Absolutely. I mean who wants-- now look--\r\n\r\n\r\nANNE WALDMAN: Who wants to live in fear?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=1826.0,1878.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41338/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"WILLIAM BURROUGHS: Now look, wait a minute. You got some guy who's been in battle ten years ago, and he's still in battle fatigue, he's still reacting to that situation. There can't be anything more biologically disadvantageous than that. And the same thing that people are reacting to infantile traumas at the present time, something that happened forty years ago, and they are completely crippled by this. This is very disadvantageous.\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME : Well that's one extreme, but also knowing how to walk and talk and even breathe, is part of past conditioning. I mean there-- how do you sort those things out?\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: You don't have to. I mean walking and talking and breathing aren't quite-- are quite advantageous. Reacting-- reacting to something that happened to you forty years ago is very disadvantageous.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: And that's what we're stuck in, I mean that's what we, you know, we all can do. We just--\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: Yes, but there's no reason why you should continue to do it.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: I agree. There's no reason, but we seem to continue to agree. To do it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=1878.0,1952.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41338/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 15]\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: The techniques exist whereby that can be wiped right out of the brain.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Such as?\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: Such as, well, biofeedback is only the beginning, but they have rigged up apes' brains to computers so if they were getting feedback in the computer, and they were giving orders to the computer. I mean it's quite possible to simply reprogram the brain, so that the whole past conditioning is wiped out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=1952.0,1992.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41338/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"JOSHUA ZIM: Then wouldn't you eventually condition yourself to constantly be wiping out so-called conditioning? I mean you're just creating another larger--\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: No. Once it's wiped out it's wiped out. It is *in* your brain. I mean it's like a tape recorder. You wipe out the tape, it's gone.\r\n\r\n\r\nJOSHUA ZIM: But you've swallowed the whole idea of 'wipe out.\" It's-- that's become another element of conditioning.\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: Not at all. Not at all. Not at all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=1992.0,2024.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41338/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 16]\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: Well let's say that you're lucky enough to wipe out your traumatic experience ten years ago, without wiping out knowing how to walk and talk and breathe, and still -- so what? What do you do then?\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: What you want to do. \"Do what thou wilt. That is the whole of the law.\" [Aleister Crowley] You find out what you want to do, and you do it.\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: Are you sure that you're still going to want to do something?\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: Not sure of anything. As-- because [INAUDIBLE] always said, \"I don't know, let's see.\" I mean maybe you just have a lot of people who couldn't move at all. Ah well, shall we say; well, what the hell, we tried. No, there's no way of knowing. And that is-- you [Trungpa Rinpoche] have spoken about the leap in the dark. That's the leap in the dark. You try it, say, \"We're all going to wipe out the whole past conditioning from these people.\" Well, then you see what happens.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=2024.0,2092.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41338/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"PHILIP WHALEN: Now wait, are you going to wipe it out for them or you going to wipe it out yourself?\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: Well, I'd be quite content to wipe it out for myself. I would be glad to be the first experimental subject. [Laughter] And see what happens. You see, you cannot say, \"I will decide ahead of time what would happen if I make a leap in the dark.\"\r\n\r\n\r\nPHILIP WHALEN: Right, sure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=2092.0,2130.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41338/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"WILLIAM BURROUGHS: Right. And you [Trungpa Rinpoche] have spoken very much about the leap in the dark, have you not?\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: Not too often. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: He hasn't used that image too often.\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: He has.\r\n\r\n\r\nANNE WALDMAN: [Laughing] He has. \r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: He has indeed.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Not within my earshot.\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: Well, leap. I don't know about the dark part.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No. Leap.\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: No, he says, \"You have to let go, and then finally you make the leap in the dark.\" You make the, you know, you make--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=2130.0,2162.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41338/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, dark in the sense of you have no idea what's going to happen.\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: Well that's what I'm just saying-- that's what I meant.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [INAUDIBLE WORDS]\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: You don't know what's going to happen.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: It may be good, it may be bad. It may be simply different.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: May be good, may be bad.\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=2162.0,2183.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41338/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 17]\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: Well I've been talking too much. Let somebody else talk for a while.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Well does this jive at all with anything that you think about? [Laughter] Are you in the same universe?\r\n\r\n\r\nANNE WALDMAN: Oh, Allen, my goodness. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Oh, all right. [Laughter] Your goodness.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Thank you. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Which universe do you think we're in, Allen? [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Well universe of discourse at the moment.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: We are in Boulder.\r\n\r\n\r\nANNE WALDMAN: Getting older.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=2183.0,2229.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41338/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 18]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Allen? Why do you write poetry?\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Why do I write... Ah!\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Why do you write poetry, answer me that first.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: I took a vow when I was fourteen years old that if I were admitted to Columbia University I would work hard for the salvation of mankind.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You think you were going to be famous?\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: That was not the original intention or the prize.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: But the second, right? [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Or the prize. No, I don't think I'm going to be famous. I'm already famous. So the future doesn't necessarily include fame.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: You always think I'm interested in fame!\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I'm not so sure at this point. [Laughs] Well as rumor has it that you had a stack of your manuscript in the trunk, which you kept very dearly, and later on it got stolen. Is that true?\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: No. I think that was Gregory Corso.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's Gregory Corso, that's not you.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: I had a stack of manuscripts in a valise on a plane, [laughter] which the valise got lost.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. Maybe that's it.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: But it wasn't very-- wasn't a big deal.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=2229.0,2310.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41338/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 19]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: So why did you think your poetry will help people, or help you?\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: I see-- if you can make an accurate description of the differences in behavior and changes in your own life and in your own mind, people looking at it see some-- see like a sample of how somebody else behaves and how that-- somebody else reacts, and gets some sense of their own changes. The variety of them, the strangeness of them. And you learn from other people's experience. In other words you make a graph of the agreements and contradictions.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Do you think that's going to help society?\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Yeah. Yeah, very *much*.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: How?\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Because people think-- because what you lay down is \"what oft was thought but ne'er so well expressed\" [Alexander Pope] or never expressed at all, helps society in the sense that--\r\n\r\n\r\nANNE WALDMAN: Also you're speaking for everyone sometimes.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Well you're speaking for yourself and--\r\n\r\n\r\nANNE WALDMAN: First.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: --and then people recognize their own... insights.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=2310.0,2396.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41338/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 20]\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: Well Allen, let me say something about *your* poetry. I mean the fact that forty years ago, if someone had got up and sung a song, \"Everybody's [Just a] Little [Bit] Homosexual\" they would have been torn to pieces. Particularly in front of college kids who were particularly afraid of that. And you have created this terrific cultural revolution, whereby you can get up and say that and people will applaud you. And I would say that Allen's poetry has been a great force in transforming American society.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Are you talking purely in terms of homosexuality or something else?\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: No, not-- no, importantly--\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: In terms of recognition of what's there.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: In terms of recognition of what's there, naturally, purely.\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: Not just homosexuality, but the whole matter of freedom of the word--\r\n\r\n\r\nANNE WALDMAN: Freedom. Freedom.\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: That you can say words like \"fuck\", etc.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I see.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=2396.0,2456.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41338/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ALLEN GINSBERG: But not merely freedom but also like responsible frankness.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Frankness.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Or at least an accurate accounting--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: So...\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: --of what's going on as far as you can do.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: So...\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Like a core sample.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: So that would be just to help people to free themselves from holding back, cultural holding back? \r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: No--\r\n\r\n\r\nANNE WALDMAN: I don't think it's cultural. \r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: --no--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Sociologically, whatever.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: --it would help them free themselves for like... spiritual search. Free themselves for dharma also. Or even awaken curiosity or even awaken already existent insight.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, you have a lot--\r\n\r\n\r\nANNE WALDMAN: And already get rid of a lot of manure in a way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=2456.0,2498.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41338/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 21]\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Well naturally hope, naturally hope, I mean like--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well you have a lot of faith in hope.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Well, yes I-- devotion is the head of meditation. And it begins--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [Laughing] Oh, my goodness. Yeah. [Laughter; laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Whatever-- you know it begins with sometimes with devotion, it begins, you know. I mean I recognize your beauty the same as I recognize my own, or anyone else's. And I write about that in my poetry where-- however you want to define the word beauty or--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Are you sure? Are you perfectly certain?\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: No, but I do my best.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's better. [Laughter; laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Well that's all I've said. I just try and make a record of what goes on, as far as I can see it.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes, but--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=2498.0,2558.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41338/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ALLEN GINSBERG: But it doesn't have to-- no it doesn't have to be a record of truths. It doesn't have to be a record of what I thought was true, or what I thought about. So in terms of the models for other people who might not be thinking-- or might not think you're supposed to think about that, or might not think that there's any reality to such investigations, and--\r\n\r\n\r\nANNE WALDMAN: It puts it out so you can look at it and work with it","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=2558.0,2582.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41338/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 22]\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: Well, historically, anyone asks me why I write novels, I am but a simple craftsman.\r\n\r\n\r\nANNE WALDMAN: Right. A writer writes.\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: Writer writes. It's the way he makes his living just like a doctor or-- [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's better. [Laughter] That's great. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: You've been saying that for years. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's fantastic.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Don't believe it.\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: Naturally he tries to do his best.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=2582.0,2602.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41338/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ALLEN GINSBERG: Bill has a beautiful heart but he'll never show it.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, that's fantastic. So we have here a writer who would like to make money and have a pure heart, and a poet [laughs] who--\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: No, *I* said he had a pure heart. Don't-- blame the pure heart on *me*; that's not his rhetoric. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I would like to say that. ALLEN GINSBERG: That's not his rhetoric.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I would like to say that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=2602.0,2630.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41338/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"WILLIAM BURROUGHS: Any craftsman wants to make money.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Sure.\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: I mean--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. If you go to tailor you make your [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: It's his trade--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Sure.\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: --and he has to make money in order to continue to do it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=2630.0,2642.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41338/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 23]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Would you regard yourself as a tailor--\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Sometimes.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --a craftsman, Allen?\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Sometimes.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Other times I regard myself as a bodhisattva.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Bodhisattva.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Or with the bodhisattva intention.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=2642.0,2654.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41338/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: When the first time you heard the word \"bodhisattva\" in your life?\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Oh, 19...51 or something.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: When did you hear about that? Or *how* did you hear about it? [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Reading Suzuki.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, what did you think a bodhisattva was like, then?\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: It reminded me of the fact that I got down on the ferry boat, across the Hudson from Hoboken to New York and kneeled on my knees and prayed that if I got admitted to Columbia University, I would save the working class, in America.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Just the working class?\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Yes, but that was just the beginning. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: You mean the hard hats.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: A modest ambition.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=2654.0,2692.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41338/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Just those? Why not the others who are also suffering at the same time?\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Because I didn't realize at the time that everybody was suffering and that the trees were suffering, and that I was suffering. It takes time to develop a larger awareness. But the impulse was there. And the impulse I sort of like adored.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=2692.0,2714.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41338/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 24]\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: Philip, what do you think about all this?\r\n\r\n\r\nPHILIP WHALEN: Oh yes. Very nice.\r\n\r\n\r\nANNE WALDMAN: It's like being a reed, just a simple reed and letting the wind or whatever play on you.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It's easier to said than done. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Well if you write a little bit every day, you record all the-- I think there was a great thing I saw by Thomas Hardy, it said \"The road to true philosophy of life seems to lie in recording the diversity--\"\r\n\r\n\r\nPHILIP WHALEN: Do you want me to fake it or what?\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: \"--of phenomena.\"\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: No, I don't want you to fake it.\r\n\r\n\r\nPHILIP WHALEN: All right, then you'll have to wait.\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: Say what is in your mind, in your heart.\r\n\r\n\r\nANNE WALDMAN: Heart and your soul.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Your belly. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nPHILIP WHALEN: You'll have to wait.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Okay.\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: What about you?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Why I write?\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: No, I didn't say why do you write, I said--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=2714.0,2780.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41338/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 25]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: What about you, Bill?\r\n\r\n\r\nANNE WALDMAN: What about you?\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: What is your statement?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: What is your song and dance?\r\n\r\n\r\nW.S. MERWIN: I was thinking the first reason I do any of those things is because I want to.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=2780.0,2797.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41338/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 26]\r\n\r\n\r\nPHILIP WHALEN: I usually get carried away; I mean I hear some line in my head or see something that attracts my attention, or whatever, that carts me off with it temporarily that I-- and I make it all-- get it all on paper somehow, or a lot of it on paper. Maybe not all at once, maybe several days later it comes. Or maybe I got all of it at that time. And-- but it's an obsessive kind of business. I don't really-- I can't really say that I create these things, that I sit down with the intention of saying, \"Now today is Friday and it's poem writing time.\" And I get out this paper and pencil, and say, \"Now I'm going to think of a sublime thought.\" And presently the sublime thought appears, and then I say now I'm going to say, The moon is rising over the purple hills,\" and so on. \"This is a sublime statement of my sublime thought.\" And so then you got poetry, you know, it doesn't-- with me it doesn't work that way. I-- sometimes I get turned on by a single word, or by a phrase, or by something that somebody says on the bus or by-- maybe I'll be reading something and it-- that suggests something else to me and I take off and start writing my own thing at that point.\r\n\r\n\r\nAnd it isn't so much a business of my being a professional poet or something, or my seeing myself that way, but of just being interested in words and in language and having a great deal of fun with it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=2797.0,2889.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41338/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: How do you feel about-- do you memorize your poems of the past?\r\n\r\n\r\nPHILIP WHALEN: No. No. I [laughing] can't remember.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nPHILIP WHALEN: I have to write them down. [Laughs] And then after they're written down--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I mean once you've written?\r\n\r\n\r\nPHILIP WHALEN: --I don't remember them.\r\n\r\n\r\nANNE WALDMAN: I think you're freed once you write them down then. \r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. \r\n\r\n\r\nANNE WALDMAN: They're out of your sort of--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=2889.0,2906.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41338/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"PHILIP WHALEN: You know in a way. Sometimes I-- on rare occasions, I can remember fragments, but if someone tells me, \"Please recite one of your poems for us,\" why I can't do it. I have to go find the book and look in the book and read [laughing]. Allen can-- used to be able to, anyway, to remember lots of his poetry. And Gregory could remember his. And Kerouac could remember long passages of his own writing and recite them for you. And I always envied Allen's capacity to remember classical poetry, to remember Shakespeare in large sections, of Shakespeare and Milton and Blake and so on. Which I can't do. My memory is too shaky or something.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=2906.0,2947.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41338/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 27]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: How do you feel your practice connect with the poetry?\r\n\r\n\r\nPHILIP WHALEN: Oh, it stops it. [Laughs] At first-- in the earlier part of doing formal zazen, the first, say, year and a half, two years, I wrote very little. And I resented also very badly-- very deeply resented the fact that I wasn't writing anything, and it made great difficulty for me. And I-- it was only about six months ago or so that I was starting to feel free enough to write, or not write, or--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You find any conflict between the two?\r\n\r\n\r\nPHILIP WHALEN: Hmm?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=2947.0,2987.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41338/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Do you find any conflict between writing poetry and sitting?\r\n\r\n\r\nPHILIP WHALEN: In some subliminal way that I can't really describe, but it's gradually working itself out, to where I can write. If I have something to write, I write it and if not, not. And it all works itself out, without my having to worry about it or mess with it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=2987.0,3011.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41338/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Do you write about sitting practice in poetry?\r\n\r\n\r\nPHILIP WHALEN: Oh no! No.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You don't?\r\n\r\n\r\nPHILIP WHALEN: No.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Why not?\r\n\r\n\r\nPHILIP WHALEN: I couldn't. I can't think of-- it's too large. It's too complicated. I was talking with Merwin a while ago on the porch and he also agreed that there are times-- there are things-- it's so large and so... you know, it's indescribable in any way. It would take me-- one day after I'd been through a sesshin I thought, my goodness, to explain what had happened to me in that seven days would take thirty-five or forty volumes of closely printed [laughs] pages, and then you'd still just have books, you still wouldn't have anything like what it was I had pushed myself through. And so it's-- it doesn't work, or at least I haven't yet found a way of telling that, or of telling what it's like to be in the training period at Tassajara, where your life is totally changed, and where you are working the whole time; in addition to doing lots of zazen we-- you do all three meals a day in the zendo, you know with the bowls and all that.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nPHILIP WHALEN: Plus working, plus changing clothes [laughing] all the time. I have to change out of working clothes into my robes and back again and [laughing] things like that. [Laughs] It's very funny. You-- my head goes all like that. [Laughs] And it's-- it would be-- I still have found no way of saying, except to tell people that they ought to try it. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=3011.0,3119.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41338/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 28]\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Well I'm not as deeply into practice as you are but what little I do some things stand out, you know like-- or anything you can remember stands out. So what little you can remember is material in a sense or it can be--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You wrote a lot of poems when you were at the Seminary?\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Yeah, I wrote a lot of good poems.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: I thought, you know.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Maybe that was only your thought. That the time to write poetry.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: No, it wasn't my primary thought.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Are you sure?\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: It wasn't my primary thought. It was, you know, the-- a thought came, and occasionally they were tempting enough to write down.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: You know, they were solid enough, pretty enough, to write down.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=3119.0,3156.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41338/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, I think a lot of Tibetan poems actually -- they're not called poems, they're called actually songs, like Songs of Milarepa. Their inspiration out of the sitting practice.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Yeah, it would seem natural.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: And all kinds of things, which they jot down, just write. I suppose there's not organized situations, they are just simple sitting practice, and they just sing, happily or sadly, whatever is may be. And poems got written down. It's worth trying.\r\n\r\n\r\nPHILIP WHALEN: Uh huh.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=3156.0,3192.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41338/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ALLEN GINSBERG: The only conflict I would find was whether to break up the sitting to write, or whether to sit-- \r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I don't think you have to do that particularly.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Well, I've rarely done it, I think once. But anything strong enough to write down would remain after sitting.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well you could do it while you're sitting on the toilet or something, you know.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Because there's always--\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: I don't see any reason why you can't sit at the typewriter.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=3192.0,3213.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41338/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ANNE WALDMAN: Gertrude Stein used to meditate at the typewriter.\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: You sit right at the typewriter, and if anything comes...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: We need a desk and chairs to [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nUNCONFIRMED DAVID ROME: There's plenty of them around here.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: But if you do it in Tassajara you don't have your own desk, your own--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=3213.0,3232.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41338/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 29]\r\n\r\n\r\nRICK FIELDS: Rinpoche, during retreat you instruct your students, me being one of them, not to write during retreat. How-- why is this is?\r\n\r\n\r\nANNE WALDMAN: You were talking about that last night, when you said that some woman had written something and it was just so-- a lot of different tangents and crazy in a way or schizo-- multiple schizophrenic--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It doesn't help.\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: Well--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It's not clear enough. You-- at the same time when you sit, meditation, that there's lot of things churn up in your mind. Which is resentment of the past and your mother, your father, your teacher, your brothers, sisters, in dharma or blood brothers or whatever, you know, there's a lot of...\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: Well doesn't all that come up anyway when you-- when you're writing?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Not necessarily. There could be a moment of very clear thought, very clear perception. That you can actually write something, in fact without thinking, you can write such things, you know. That's possible, always.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=3232.0,3302.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41338/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 30]\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: See I'd like very much to go on one of these month retreats, to cut off--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You must do that, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: --cut off all input. But I would like to have a typewriter. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well the typewriter probably be-- comes afterwards.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Becomes a what?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Becomes an out for us.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Afterwards. Afterwards, you know. \r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROGHS: No, [INAUDIBLE]--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Come and sit.\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: --just there, in case there's anything that--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=3302.0,3326.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41338/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well then typewriter becomes your occupation, you know. That that's the only source of entertainment. [INAUDIBLE] \r\n\r\n\r\nPHILIP WHALEN: [INAUDIBLE] he's saying he's a professional writer.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Yeah, but he's also saying the typewriter become-- the use of typewriter is his zafu. That's *his* yoga.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well that's hard to--\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Is that possible, practically?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I mean it's possible, of course, but it's very deceptive, you know, at the same time. It's always--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=3326.0,3351.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41338/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ANNE WALDMAN: I think it depends on who's doing it.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Who's doing it, sure. Definitely so.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: It might be.\r\n\r\n\r\nPHILIP WHALEN: Or you could take the ribbon out.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Well, it's a practical proposition. What-- is-- I wonder whether there would be room for Bill at Tail of the Tiger. Would there be room for Bill at Tail of the Tiger sometime, in--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well there's no room for Tail of the Tiger or Karme Choling, to-- for have typewriting on retreat center, retreat huts.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Mhmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=3351.0,3380.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41338/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: There's only room when you come *down*. And you can do that. Which is entirely different situation I think. That if you have able to preserve your clear mind, even when you're in a transitional period, then, you know, you are already \"there\" -- you go write! But this woman who did her whole book in retreat, was jammed with all kinds of resentment, all kinds of sexual fantasies, and all kinds of political ideas.\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: Well sexual fantasies are bound to arise in retreat.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: But that is not regarded as bad particularly, but--\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: Not bad at all, not bad at all.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No, that's not regarded as bad. But actually if you have some kind of writing materials available on the spot of your sitting practice, then it's just another garbage, you know. There's so much things happening. You don't have a chance to review anything that's happened to you before, while you're sitting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=3380.0,3448.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41338/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DAVID ROME: Then why does it make sense to you to limit your input but not your output?\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: I didn't say that at all. Well what do you mean \"limit my input but not my output\"? What output? What input?\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: Well, you said that you would like to try doing retreat to have-- to limit the input, but that you would like to have a typewriter, which I'm calling output. Why is there such a difference between those two?\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: Excuse me, you're putting up-- you're setting up an either-or situation there. I simply said that I would-- if I was on retreat I would rather like to have a typewriter, in case anything very useful came up.\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: Well, but I think that's the point of-- that we give up judging anything useful, in the process of doing retreat, being in meditation.\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: That seems reasonable.\r\n\r\n\r\nDAVID ROME: Which doesn't mean that we -- which doesn't mean that we give up *ever* judging anything useful or unuseful, but that for that situation, being in the position we are now that we are willing to try to do that.\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: So I say, that seems quite reasonable. I have no argument with that whatever.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=3448.0,3529.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41338/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I think meditation practice, or sitting practice, is regarded as unpredictive-- unproductive period. That you don't any-- you don't produce any commercialized industry of any kind at all. You just sit and do it, and slowing the world. That the world doesn't have any further ideas inputted [laughing] in at all. Which is [laughing] very hard in some sense. But I think in the long run it makes more-- it puts more input, in the long run.\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: Yeah. In other words you're simply cutting out your input.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: Your sensory input. You don't--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: --receive any mail, you don't--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, no mails. Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: No mail, no radio, no news.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: No reading.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: I thought that the point there is also--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No telephone, or, you know, anything [INAUDIBLE].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=3529.0,3586.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41338/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"WILLIAM BURROUGHS: I understand perfectly. I can do that-- I *could* do that in New York City, is rip out the telephones and stay in.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: \"I'm in retreat boys. [Laughter] Nobody contacts me.\"\r\n\r\n\r\nANNE WALDMAN: Wouldn't have to receive any bills. [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=3586.0,3608.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41338/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 31]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I tried to contact you in New York City.\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: Hmm?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I called you on the tele-- answering service.\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: [INAUDIBLE] it's the same thing.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Tape recorder or something answered for me.\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: The same thing calling...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Did you leave a message on the--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: On tape recorder, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nANNE WALDMAN: He called you, once.\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: Oh, really? Really?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. There's an answering service, you know, on the tape.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: When did you call?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That was after we met.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Uh huh.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, something like that, yeah. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: I'll hear it when I go back. [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=3608.0,3643.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41338/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PART 32]\r\n\r\n\r\nANNE WALDMAN: I've found some problems with some of the students here at the Poetics academy, coming to classes and saying that they can't write because they're so involved with their meditation, which is fine.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think we have a--\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: Just a minute. Just a minute. Do you think that you have to make such a line between the two? I mean, why do you say--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Between the two meaning?\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: No, no, no. Why do you say--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Practice of meditation?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=3643.0,3670.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41338/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"WILLIAM BURROUGHS: No, why do you say that if someone is meditating, they're in retreat, they can't *also* write?\r\n\r\n\r\nANNE WALDMAN: It's just temporary I think. It's just a temporary cut off.\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: I realize that. I realize that completely. But suppose they get an idea for a great novel?\r\n\r\n\r\nANNE WALDMAN: It'll come back later, if it's that great.\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: --in the retreat? Well it may not come back.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: The point is that people always--\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: It may not come back.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=3670.0,3692.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41338/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: People always choose that way. If they have good ideas, that people use that as entertainment. So we are uncertain as to which part is the real inspiration and which part is a part of the entertainment, that you would like to, you know, prove yourself that you have something happening. So that's always has been problem. So therefore in order to make sure of the whole thing. So if you have real inspiration they're going to last longer, and you'll be able to remain later on.\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: It may not last.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well--\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: It may not last. You may have something that's *beautiful* in the source-- in this retreat--\r\n\r\n\r\nANNE WALDMAN: It is the highest expression--\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: --that you will never remember later.\r\n\r\n\r\nANNE WALDMAN: --of dharma.\r\n\r\n\r\nANNE WALDMAN: It will illuminate the world. What do you do?\r\n\r\n\r\nPHILIP WHALEN: I'll tell you, there are all these gaps. What I try to do...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=3692.0,3742.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41338/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"WILLIAM BURROUGHS: Like Coleridge forgot the end of \"Kubla Khan\", because someone came in-- well.\r\n\r\n\r\nW.S. MERWIN: That's what he said. [Laughter] That's Coleridge's story about the man--\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Well I think that's actually the point of juncture we're in conversation.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It's not-- this whole thing is not supposed to be productive particularly.\r\n\r\n\r\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS: Hmm?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=3742.0,3761.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41338/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Meditation retreat is not supposed to be productive *necessarily*. And also difficult to sort out, which part is *real* production, which part is just part of your fantasy. And usually your mind has become so *clear*, so precise, that you need some--\r\n\r\n\r\n[TAPE CUTS OUT] \r\n\r\n\r\n[Second half of recording not located -- see published version in The Collected Works of Chogyam Trungpa, Vol. 7, Selected Writings, \"Poets' Colloquium\"]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=3761.0,3788.72163"}]},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41339","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["19750620VCTR1-Captions [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41339/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"CTI SLATE: This is the Venerable\nChogyam Trungpa Rinpoche,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=0.93,4.08"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41339/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Naropa Institute\nPoetics Series.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=4.08,7.5"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41339/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Discussion with Poetry Faculty\non Enlightenment","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=7.5,11.24"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41339/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and Consciousness.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=11.24,12.68"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41339/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Recorded in Boulder,\nColorado on June 20th, 1975.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=12.68,18.36"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41339/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This is a CTI auto remaster\nmade May, 2022.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=18.36,25.89"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41339/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GREGORY CORSO:\nHe didn't know? He didn't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=26.85,35.97"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41339/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"WILLIAM BURROUGHS:\nWell, Gregory, there's nothing\nwrong with dope,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=36.93,40.46"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41339/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that this intoxication\nwon't cure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=40.46,42.66"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41339/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER1:\nThese are releases of--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=42.66,43.86"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41339/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GREGORY CORSO:\nOne of my great teachers.\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS:\nWhat the hell is 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that--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=49.58,51.36"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41339/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER2: Heirs, executors,\nadministrators--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=51.36,54.02"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41339/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER1:\nSounds pretty official,\ndoesn't it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=54.02,56.65"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41339/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"GREGORY CORSO:\nI don't sign no fucking paper.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=56.65,60.42"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41339/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"WILLIAM BURROUGHS: Well I\nhaven't said anything 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It's simply\nan inappropriate reaction.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=1850.86,1856.39"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41339/annotation/554","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But you don't have to say\nanything more than that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=1856.39,1859.53"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41339/annotation/555","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That it is very advantageous","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=1859.53,1861.81"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41339/annotation/556","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to be rid of your\npast conditioning.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=1861.81,1865.63"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41339/annotation/557","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"JOSHUA ZIM: Somewhat.\nWILLIAM BURROUGHS:\nNo, absolutely! 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I mean\nit's like a tape recorder.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=2007.26,2011.49"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41339/annotation/591","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You wipe out the tape,\nit's gone.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=2011.49,2014.82"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41339/annotation/592","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"JOSHUA ZIM: But you've swallowed\nthe whole idea of 'wipe out.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=2014.82,2019.19"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41339/annotation/593","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's-- that's become\nanother element of conditioning.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=2019.19,2021.55"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41339/annotation/594","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"WILLIAM BURROUGHS:\nNot at all. Not at all.\nNot at all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=2021.55,2024.1"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41339/annotation/595","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"DAVID ROME: Well let's say\nthat you're lucky enough","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934#t=2024.1,2025.5"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76105/file/168934/transcript/41339/annotation/596","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"to wipe out your traumatic\nexperience ten years 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