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Main point is \"nirvana\" not about complete cessation of pain and securing of happiness, but closer to meaning in Tibetan, \"namdrol\", which is \"complete liberation.\" Describes hinayana experience of nirvana as seeing fully the discontinuity of pain and pleasure. \"Cessation\" in hinayana is realization of the impermanence of pain and pleasure, which brings some degree of equanimity. In mahayana, nirvana as \"awake\", connected with \"hopelessness\" arising from having nothing to hang onto. Key is giving up goal of achieving nirvana for oneself, as part of bodhisattva vow; leads to freedom. Emphasizes \"nirvana\" is not about rejecting the world, but experiencing its truth more completely. In Q\u0026amp;A, answers question as to whether he has experienced \"nirvana\"; difference between nirvana and shunyata; and what reincarnation is from Buddhist point of view.\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication"]},"value":{"en":["UNPUBLISHED"]}},{"label":{"en":["Transcription Credits"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eMar 11 2020 to Dec 31 2021 Transcribing: Leandra Ziegler Checking: Sophie Perks Final Proof: Ella Milligan Other Contributors: Lynn Friedman, Warner Dick\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003e© Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Year"]},"value":{"en":["1973"]}}],"summary":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eA talk about a popular subject surrounding notions of Buddhism, which is \"nirvana.\" Clarifies what the true meaning of nirvana is, from the hinayana and mahayana points of view. Main point is \"nirvana\" not about complete cessation of pain and securing of happiness, but closer to meaning in Tibetan, \"namdrol\", which is \"complete liberation.\" Describes hinayana experience of nirvana as seeing fully the discontinuity of pain and pleasure. \"Cessation\" in hinayana is realization of the impermanence of pain and pleasure, which brings some degree of equanimity. In mahayana, nirvana as \"awake\", connected with \"hopelessness\" arising from having nothing to hang onto. Key is giving up goal of achieving nirvana for oneself, as part of bodhisattva vow; leads to freedom. Emphasizes \"nirvana\" is not about rejecting the world, but experiencing its truth more completely. In Q\u0026amp;A, answers question as to whether he has experienced \"nirvana\"; difference between nirvana and shunyata; and what reincarnation is from Buddhist point of view.\u003c/p\u003e"]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003e\u0026copy; Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved -\u0026nbsp;Not to be Distributed or Reproduced\u003c/p\u003e"]}},"provider":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["Chogyam Trungpa Digital Library"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["Chogyam Trungpa Digital Library"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/209/original/cti-library-logo-blue-text.png?1672724952","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/293/567/small/Logo-Audio-Red.png?1759346398","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161718/file/293567","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 1 - open-uri20251001-2006876-tpy2i3.mpga"]},"duration":3289.15592,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/293/567/small/Logo-Audio-Red.png?1759346398","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161718/file/293567/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161718/file/293567/content/1/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-cti.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/293/567/original/open-uri20251001-2006876-tpy2i3.mpga?1759343485","type":"Audio","format":"audio/mpeg","duration":3289.15592,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161718/file/293567","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161718/file/293567/transcript/85040","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["19730419VCTR1-Transcript [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161718/file/293567/transcript/85040/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[19730419VCTR1 - University of Colorado - Boulder - Spring 1973 - Class 8]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]\r\n\r\n\r\nARP SLATE: This is the Venerable Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, University of Colorado classes, 1973. This is talk number eight, The Question of Nirvana, held April 19th, 1973. This is an ARP digital remaster made December, 2006.\r\n\r\n\r\nORIGINAL SLATE: The following is Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche at the Tibetan Buddhism class, Colorado University. This is lecture number eight on The Question of Nirvana, April 19th, 1973.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161718/file/293567#t=0.0,63.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161718/file/293567/transcript/85040/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: LECTURE]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: The question of nirvana. The most popular literatures on Buddhism, or that when you attend comparative religious courses in your little schools, talks about that goal of Buddhism is to attain nirvana. I think there is something that we have to question about the whole thing. And also that it is been said, popularly, that attainment of nirvana is that of cessation of any pain and complete happiness, or complete nonexistence in which that there is no dualistic problems doesn't arise because of nonexistence.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161718/file/293567#t=63.0,167.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161718/file/293567/transcript/85040/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"If I may so that most of the interpretations of nirvana are completely wrong. It's not quite accurate. It would be same thing as say that all the Americans have air-conditioned houses or everybody have color television. The idea of nirvana is worth of looking at much closely. And if you have a conversation with your friend, your colleagues, and when you say that you have studied about Buddhism, the first thing they will say that \"now tell us about what is nirvana is all about?\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161718/file/293567#t=167.0,265.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161718/file/293567/transcript/85040/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Some very strange reason that idea of nirvana become one of the outstanding point in the popular idea of Buddhism. That you should know what is all about, actually. What is nirvana mean? Other-- word \"nirvana\" or Tibetan word \"namdrol\" which means \"complete liberation,\" literally means \"complete liberation.\" And if we use basic Buddhist logic that idea of complete liberation automatically means that the idea of liberation itself had to be completed as well. If you have a notion of complete liberation, the very sense of liberation itself becomes imprisonment -- because you are subject to liberation. So therefore even the notion of liberation in itself had to be liberated, if it's going to be complete one, foolproof liberation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161718/file/293567#t=265.0,371.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161718/file/293567/transcript/85040/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We can approach nirvana from a different point of view. The point of view of hinayana is concerned, that nirvana is to see the end of suffering, end of neurosis, end of pain. If you approach from nirvana-- from the point of view of mahayanists, that nirvana is awake, process of awakening. And of course if you approach from the vajrayana point of view, that nirvana is freedom that is self-existing. One never need to be sought for nirvana. So we get three versions of nirvana. The first one is extinction of pain, which seem to be a lot of popular notion of nirvana is come about that is that getting rid of the pain is the aim of Buddhists. To get rid of the pain. Which if you follow logically which automatically means to say that get rid of the truth, because the hinayana Buddhism talks about the truth of suffering, the truth of origin of suffering, and truth of the goal, truth of the path. So if we get rid of the pain that we are getting rid of twenty-five percent of the buddhadharma. [Laughter; laughs] Self-destructive from that point of view.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161718/file/293567#t=371.0,530.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161718/file/293567/transcript/85040/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So the notion of nirvana is not understood properly, even from hinayana point of view. That from the hinayanist point of view of end of the recycling process of confusion which is called \"samsara\". Recycling in the sense that first neurosis breed, fruition of it, that fruition becomes seed for the next neurosis. Constantly going on and on. So nirvana from the hinayanist point of view is to realize its *root*, its depth, where the whole thing sprung from. And that discovery comes from passion, aggression, and slothfulness -- are the three aggregates where that samsaric chain reactions sprung from. And nirvana is to realize such situation, rather than get rid of pain to search for the pleasure as such, at all. And that is called the discovering of the goal.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161718/file/293567#t=530.0,633.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161718/file/293567/transcript/85040/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The idea of cessation is not quite a question of barter exchange -- you give up pain and you get pleasure instead -- at all. That becomes extremely primitive approach. Pleasure equals pain. The heightence of pleasure depends on the criteria of pain, so we can't get rid of one and accept another one instead. We can't trade off that way-- trade *in* that way. So the idea of cessation of pain is not exactly give up pain as such, but finding out that pain does exist, and the neurosis. And neurosis, psychological problems of neurosis, are based on constant birth and death. That pain doesn't exist, or pleasure doesn't exist for that matter. That both pain and pleasure exist in the realm of discontinuity.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161718/file/293567#t=633.0,739.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161718/file/293567/transcript/85040/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's precisely what means by cessation of \"duhkha\", \"pain\". It does not mean that when you have ceased to exist your development of duhkha then you get pleasure instead, but realizing that the pain does not produce further approach towards pleasure, at all. That pleasure and pain are same. The cessation is almost in the sense of creating space, rather than getting rid of your stomach upset or your migraine headache by taking pill. Cessation from that point of view is to realize the discontinuity. That pain is being born and pain dies, the death of pain breeds pleasure. And that pleasure dies and the birth of pain begin to exist, alternatingly constantly happening all the time. You feel cold, you turn on the heater; you feel too hot, you open the window; you feel too cold, you close the window; you feel not very comfortable with that then you turn on the heater again.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161718/file/293567#t=739.0,837.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161718/file/293567/transcript/85040/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So you go on that way. That pain and pleasure are reciprocal experience. The cessation of pain and pleasure takes place only to realize that pain *and* pleasure are impermanent. There's constant death and birth takes place. That's the cessation. That *is* the nirvana from the hinayanist point of view. That pain and pleasure are constant process of law of impermanence. That transitoriness is the nirvana. When we begin to realize the transitoriness of the pain and pleasure, then we begin to reach some kind of reconciliation that we are not being seduced by the pleasure or threatened by the pain. Relatively speaking there's some kind of equanimity takes place, but not on the basis of taking side on the other side at all. So that's the hinayana's point of view of nirvana, is to realize the impermanence of everything.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161718/file/293567#t=837.0,945.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161718/file/293567/transcript/85040/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But at the same time, that mentality could be said is not completely developed mentality. It is still partial and simple-minded approach, from the point of view of mahayana idea of nirvana. That you have developed realization of pain and pleasure are constant changing situation. That pain and pleasure exist because of its transitoriness. Then you begin to develop something else to hang onto, which is the continuity of the discontinuity. That you begin to feel that impermanence is the only thing that you can hang onto. You begin to hang onto that, and you have created your new style of samsara. And you haven't quite got into the *real* nirvana, whatever that may be.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161718/file/293567#t=945.0,1031.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161718/file/293567/transcript/85040/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So the next situation is the mahayanist point of view of nirvana, which is approach to *awake*. Which means that awake equally means sense of hopelessness. That there's no hope. Even clinging on to the continuities of the discontinuity is fool. That you can't hang on to that. That one had to give up hope fundamentally. And hope this case is even if we are subject to transitoriness, law of transitoriness, we have still hope. Because that we acknowledge the transitoriness, we realize the transitoriness of life -- which is quite true, absolutely true. And within realizing that situation that we have hope. That truth might be the saving grace to the realization of transitoriness, which is a hinayana style of nirvana. Might be saving grace to free ourselves from pain, in this case pleasure as well. The nuisance of things, nuisance of life. And one's psychology is developed so far as to say that pain is not only nuisance alone, but pleasure is also nuisance because it has reciprocal relationship with pain. And therefore we want to get rid of both of these nuisances, duhkhas. And get rid of it is to realize its impermanence -- that they don't exist, they constantly born and die simultaneously. Therefore we have sense of complete command, how to handle life situation, is sort of give up everything and take your refuge in the impermanence, hang on to that. At least there's some saving grace, which is impermanence, law of impermanence, the truth of impermanence.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161718/file/293567#t=1031.0,1204.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161718/file/293567/transcript/85040/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And from the mahayanist point of view, even *such* security of *even* relying on the impermanence is hopeless. Because impermanence is not something that you can hang on to, something that you can latch on to. That impermanence is process of nonexistence. And if you hang on to it, then you are hanging on to your metaphysical, philosophical belief, rather than anything solid, tangible. So the awakened state of mind on the bodhisattva's path or the mahayanist path is that realization of hopelessness, awake, you're awakened to hopelessness. That there's nothing to hang on to. And at the same time, that there is a sense of neurosis of wanting to hang on to the philosophical belief of impermanence becomes an ego-manufactured concept at this point.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161718/file/293567#t=1204.0,1308.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161718/file/293567/transcript/85040/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"From the mahayanist point of view of nirvana is concerned, is the give up idea of nirvana. And the bodhisattvas take vow of that, \"From today onward I take the vow of bodhisattva. That I will not attain nirvana or buddhahood until I save all sentient beings from the pain.\" And that vow becomes very prominent. That you begin to realize the notion of attaining enlightenment is also becomes a hang-up. So the hopelessness goes as far as to that level. That you have no hope of attaining even enlightenment -- which is expression of awake. You begin to realize once you trying to manufacture something, you have a goal of some kind, then that goal in itself become further imprisonment. Because you are subject to the goal rather than you are making your journey freely and relating with the day-to-day living situation, as such. So on the whole, we could say that Buddhists do not cultivate journey towards nirvana, as such, at all. And nirvana does not mean just rejecting the rest of the world, exclude yourself from rest of the world, and you have your own little practices of excluding yourself from rest of the world, and just think of nirvana which is very primitive, extremely primitive.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161718/file/293567#t=1308.0,1439.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161718/file/293567/transcript/85040/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The notion of nirvana as you have heard is two-fold from this point of view. We haven't had a chance to discuss the vajrayanist approach to nirvana, which might be more complicated discuss today. And the notion of nirvana in the hinayana is-- to summarize, is that discovery of impermanence which brings the discoveries of egolessness. That your ego has nothing to hang on to, ego is also subject to transitoriness of life. And the notion of nirvana, from bodhisattva's point of view, of giving up hope of attaining buddhahood. That then there is some kind of freedom begin to develop within the bodhisattva's attitude. So these are the two aspect of nirvana.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161718/file/293567#t=1439.0,1501.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161718/file/293567/transcript/85040/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And it is not quite true to say that all the Buddhists trying to achei-- reach nirvana, which is quite simp-- seemingly quite simple. But it's not quite simple as one expect. And by no means realization of nirvana is depend on purely meditating on something and forget the rest of the commitment in the world. In order to give up the notion of attainment of buddhahood, one has to relate with the day-to-day living situations of bodhisattva's approach. In order to relate with the hinayana's point of view of nirvana, one has to relate with the facts of life, which is impermanence. Have to face tremendous truth of life. So it is similar to say that, \"All the Americans want to become presidents\" -- that's not quite true. In order to become president you have go through a lot of process, and that not all the Americans are cultivating towards that journey particularly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161718/file/293567#t=1501.0,1582.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161718/file/293567/transcript/85040/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Complete liberation of nirvana from this point of view is to give up the notion of nirvana itself, so to speak. That since nirvana or the complete liberation is self-existing situation, therefore you have to give up the mask of nirvana. The ideal idea of nirvana had to be given up so then the real nirvana could be realized. On the process of giving up, realize that you have no ground to attain nirvana. If you have a ground to attain nirvana then that becomes manufactured one. The real idea of nirvana is to give up any kind of ground on the level of impermanence or level of hopelessness, whatever is may be. So those are the two outstanding, importance, basic point to realize the notion of nirvana.\r\n\r\n\r\nCould have discussions on that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161718/file/293567#t=1582.0,1649.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161718/file/293567/transcript/85040/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 1]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: Do these three experiences of nirvana have all physical-- physiological correlates and experience of entering into an altered state of consciousness? Or is it just a kind of a general transition or is it just different with each individual?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What do you mean by physical? Can you tell me that?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: Yeah. Okay, I can put it in neurological terms but that wouldn't help too much. Probably just a sensation of... well, definitely altered state of consciousness, perceiving differently visually lights, sounds, images, different thought process, different type of processing of incoming data.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well you see the whole thing doesn't seem to be particularly mysterious, at all. And obviously if you experience pain, that pain is related with the body, your physical body, as well as psychologically. And particularly from the Buddhist point of view, that hundred percent pain is a hundred percent psychosomatic situation -- always. That intensity of the pain in the physical situation brings person to search for such transcending that pain. Obviously at the beginning you have to approach searching for pleasure, obviously. So nirvana is, at the beginning, seemingly pleasurable situation, but once you get into it then you begin to realize idea of nirvana is not based on pleasure *alone* but pleasure as well as pain. You begin to also further realize that pleasure and pain are compatible with each other, indivisible. They confirm each other.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: Okay. I guess there's a specific seed of my question and I ought to ask that. I'm working with a school that teaches natural consciousness expansion along a very different path from the Buddhist tradition. Often the students go through an experience that sometimes we’ve termed, for a lack of a better word, the \"nirvana experience\". And that's-- okay. [Laughter] That's a pretty heavy thing to say. Outside of that-- I mean it's usually correlated with a heavy-- it does -- okay, like it's not a total stopping of samsara. I mean it's not a total transcending of illusion or the-- or realization, the whole reality, illusion, duality, and getting beyond it. It's correlated with a re-thinking out of life structure, it usually has a physiological experience of, you know, kind of experiencing light and a feeling in the frontal lobes often.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Feeling from what?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: A feeling in the frontal lobes; this part of the brain or this part of the head. And okay, it's a pretty physical experience, and I'm wondering if this could have any place in the schema that you laid out, or if this is a perhaps a side experience that has nothing to do with that? Or what?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I mean obviously when you feel happy, you feel uplifted, when you feel depressed, you feel -- you experience your feet more. [Laughter] Apart from that, [laughter] in my knowledge of studying Buddhism, or my own experience of Buddhism, that there's no particular physiological experience as far as nirvana is concerned. It's very much based on exchange of life that goes on in day-to-day living situation. Exchanges you have and pleasure you have, depression you have. I mean that's very much, you know, sort of humanistic rather than spiritualistic, from that point of view. And by no means there's no magical experience of anything or semi-magical experience, whatever.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161718/file/293567#t=1649.0,1960.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161718/file/293567/transcript/85040/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 2]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Have you experienced nirvana?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [Laughs; laughter] I think that's question is... useless. If I did experience, that means to say that I have experienced more pain; if I didn't experience nirvana that means I have experienced more pleasure. [Laughs; laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: What's the difference between nirvana and shunyata?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: What's the difference between nirvana and shunyata?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well shunyata is experience of nirvana from the point of view of perception of that things are not solid. And it is epitome of impermanent, transparent. That you begin to relate with the space is being solid space but empty space at the same time. It's one of the experience of nirvana, suppose you could say, one of the hierarchical steps towards nirvana.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Is it like-- there's something called \"jnana states\" -- is it like one of those, or...?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well jnana states are usually pleasurable one, which is--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: What?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: -- pleasurable one.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Oh.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Which is usually related, traditionally relate, with the anti-nirvana. Anti-nirvana; that you are trying to seek pleasure. And beyond the jnana states then you have experience of shunyata, which is without ground of ego.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161718/file/293567#t=1960.0,2096.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161718/file/293567/transcript/85040/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 3]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: Rinpoche, this relates to something I've wanted to ask you, that is it necessary to believe in rebirth and reincarnation to be Buddhist? It's always seemed to be that after all, you never really know this is so.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You never what?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: That you never really know that this is so, that you're really-- that there really is reincarnation.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well it seems that it's not question of particularly belief. That in fact that if you look it very closely, from the Buddhist point of view, that Buddhist approach is to surrender any situation that you can hang on to, to continuity. So the Buddhist approach does not particularly abdicate-- advocate, I mean, reincarnation. Whereas the other approaches that if we have a continual existence that we go on existing, which seem to be actually preaching reincarnation -- that we are solid existence, that we can go on existing. \"I am me as much as tomorrow, as ten days or ten years time. I'm still me.\" Which is a very heavy belief in the reincarnation. But at the same time consequently that when the Buddhist approach begin to talks about nonexistence of ego and self, that the nonexistence means continual birth and death happening all the time. So that Buddhists blamed to preach reincarnation. In the Buddhist approach that there's no idea of reincarnation as such. You might say \"rebirth\", which is \"redeath\" at the same time, which is an interchangeable word. You don't have to understand as a theory as that the earth is flat or there's Santa Claus. One doesn't have to believe in anything particularly, but it's facts of life. That we do born and die constantly again and again *and* again. Even physical birth and death is a very crude one, that there's a constant psychological birth, death take place.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161718/file/293567#t=2096.0,2300.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161718/file/293567/transcript/85040/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 4]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Would you explain what you mean by this constant rebirth and redeath? I don't-- I've never understood what you meant by that.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well you know that's it's very simple thing actually. That seven-thirty is dead and twenty-five to eight is been born.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Yeah, but I mean, you just repeated yourself.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, precisely.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Yeah. Can you explain it [INAUDIBLE] ?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well that is it.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: That is that. Oh.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I mean--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: So you either you can take or leave it but there's no explanation.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No I mean if something died, something is been born.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's it, you know, that I mean there's no profound message particularly.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Can it-- I mean, could it be easily well described as constantly changing?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well things do change constantly.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Does that equally well describe constantly being reborn and...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Died, sure.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: That just means constantly changing?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Constantly changing, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: All right.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I mean it's a very simple one. [Laughter] Nothing particularly, you know, profound about it at all. It's-- I mean when you are-- when you pass something, like when you give up eating meat, you become vegetarian, things go on.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Yes. Okay, but I'm still confused.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It's very simple. [Laughter] The facts of life.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161718/file/293567#t=2300.0,2405.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161718/file/293567/transcript/85040/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 5]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: I sort want to refer to [UNCLEAR: Tashof's?] description earlier of those experiences that those people had. Isn't that in a way-- well, I think that that's what you're describing when you talk about the bodhisattva path and how it's experiences of spontaneous discovery and embryonic situations. It's-- I think that's just what he's describing. The continual-- it's a rebirth of those experiences. And that's all it is to nirvana, wouldn't you say? That that's just the way it goes for the rest of your life.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [Laughs; laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: And that nirvana is *that*.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Is continual birth and death, do you mean?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: It's-- yeah, it's all that spontaneous discovery and it's realizing that that's it.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Not quite. There is not enough shock. I mean you could go on living like feline. That hours been passed and you have your meals to eat and you fall asleep and you get up in the morning. It has a sense of being getting in and out, pleasurably or smoothly, at least not to interrupt anything. But nirvana is some kind of shock. That suddenly you realize that you have nothing to hang on to, except the discontinuity. It's sudden discovery, you know rather than just having-- adopting a philosophical attitude where the sun shines and the sun sets, that stars and the moons shine. You know, I mean it's not exactly beautiful picture actually, nirvana is not particular beautiful one.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: Well discoveries that I'm talking about are not necessarily that simple either, you know. They're the shocking ones, they're the jolting ones that continue. I mean like, you don't just get shocked into nirvana and stay that way. I mean you have to keep going and being shocked some more. It's like just always rediscovering--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, sure. Sure, yeah. Discovery, yeah. But discovery as *new* discovery, you know rather than purely confirming each other, which means that everything is being secured, constantly. That one experience doesn't confirm the next experience but each experience become an unique experience. That any reference point becomes irrelevant which is constantly the carpet pulled under your feet. In other word, the idea of nirvana is constant discovering of constant realization of that you have lost your ground to hang on to something.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: And then once you're in that state of mind, the rest of the discoveries are more calmer, they're more--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Not necessarily.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: [INAUDIBLE] .\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: They could be turmoil.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: Yeah, that's what I'm trying to say. I wonder if it's just one big shock, and something happens and then you're on this plane and then everything seems to be a certain way.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Jolting, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: Or whether you get to this jolt and you *still* keep going like this, you know.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well each time when you get more and more discovery, that each discovery becomes more and more shocking. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: Yeah, yeah [INAUDIBLE] --\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: So in other word, nirvana is quite different from that of discovering new home.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I mean it is nirvana is--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: Right.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --constant discovery of lost of your home, home ground.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Which consist of turmoil. So by no means it is just a peaceful cessation and then you retire into the enlightenment at all.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: Yeah. [Trungpa Rinpoche laughs] That's much better, yeah. [Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161718/file/293567#t=2405.0,2681.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161718/file/293567/transcript/85040/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 6]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: Tonight you spoke about hanging on to this continuity and discontinuity as being a hinayana point of view, but also in other occasions you spoke of the continuity of discontinuity as being tantra. And it seems like in general there's this pattern of that the hinayana and vajrayana both talk about existence and being, whereas mahayana talks about nonexistence and nonbeing, and well could you comment on that?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's a very good question. [Laughs; laughter] Well idea is I suppose you could say, that discovering discontinuity is a continual situation in hinayana way is somewhat still a believe. Whereas in tantric point of view that continuity of discontinuity is a dance-- rather than solid belief. That in order to have a continuity *of* discontinuity you have to have phases of all kinds which is -- which constitute the dance of life, in the tantric point of view. Whereas from hinayana point of view is just an ideal faith. That have trust in the dharma which teaches the discontinuity is the way and you have faith in it, rather than actually experiencing that there's energy. It's difference between trusting the truth -- or believing the truth.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161718/file/293567#t=2681.0,2819.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161718/file/293567/transcript/85040/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 7]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: You're always talking about things being-- not being solid. Is there anything that is solid?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Maybe the most solidest of all is your questions.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: Pardon, I'm sorry?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Your questions.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: Are solid?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Are solid. And apart from that, there is nothing seem to be solid. [Laughter; laughs] [Laughs; laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161718/file/293567#t=2819.0,2870.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161718/file/293567/transcript/85040/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 8]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: You mentioned that from the hinayana point of view that nirvana is the realization that all things are impermanent, and from the hinayana point of view nirvana is a realization or an idea?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: [INAUDIBLE] summarize that.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's belief, idea.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: But I mean we experience nirvana as the experience of an idea, [INAUDIBLE] .\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. That's from the mahayanist point of view.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: But I mean from the theravada point of view, which is what the hinayanists call themselves, what do *they* think of nirvana? Do they consider it--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: They think nirvana--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: --as an idea?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well they have idea of it.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: But when they expe-- but in the experience of nirvana, what do theravada people call it? When they experience it, are they experiencing an idea? That is mind and knowing?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, it is so, if I may say so. Yeah, because that there is still sense of personal salvation, individual freedom. \"Pratimoksha\" means \"individual liberation\", \"personal liberation\", and as long as there's personal liberation mentality is involved, that you are still stuck with the opinion. Which is of course highest opinion of all, but nevertheless it is opinion. You see the point of view is that each time when there is like nine yana process -- if you are familiar with that -- that previous yanas have developed insight, and when next yana begin to come about and the first yana's notions of clumsiness be destroyed. And then that insight be also destroyed by the next yana. So there's constantly develop insight, at the same time it's hangovers we created. So constantly be destroyed as you go along. Finally you begin to realize that your journey has never need to be made, which is reached to the ninth yana point of view.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: Ninth hinayana--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Ninth yana, which is the ati yana.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161718/file/293567#t=2870.0,3045.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161718/file/293567/transcript/85040/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 9]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: This is the hinayana [INAUDIBLE] could you say?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No, that's the--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: Oh, I'm sorry.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --that's the vajrayana point of view.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: I've read a little contemporary hinayana literature, and particularly one of the works of Mahasi Sayadaw, a teacher now in Burma. And he's written a somewhat disputed -- even among the theravada, contemporary theravada people -- work which sort of states the stages of insight, knowledge, one achieves through a process of meditation that is taught for. And the way he describes the realization-- well, or experience of nirvana, it is not an idea or it's not anything one usually thinks of as experiencing it. It is not something that sees, hears, smells, tastes, touched, or knows, and has no idea. When one essentially goes through the experience there's what they call \"fruition knowledge\" -- which is an idea -- but that is not in itself the experience of nirvana. That it's something active, and one knows one has experienced it.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I mean Mahasi Sayadaw teaching is predominantly recommending vipassana practice.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: Yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Through \"anapanasati\", \"mindfulness breathing\" practices, and getting beyond that. But at the same time that-- I mean we could say that epitome of his teaching is that of the shunyata experience of mahayana. But if you presented that any kind of promises, then it become idea.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: It becomes an idea.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: Something you work for? A goal?.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: Yes. Yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I mean it's not so much of the truth of the doctrine, but the style of the method, you know, that seem to be the differences.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: Then is there so much a difference really -- or perhaps this is a meaningless question, but I'll ask it -- is there really a difference in the state that one achieves through hinayana, mahayana, and vajrayana, or is it really just the style of achieving it that is different?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well it's the style of achieving it, and you could say-- I mean, you may not belong to vajrayana or mahayana school of thoughts, but within being in the hinayana you could attain vajrayana. But you don't name it. I mean that's always an open question. That is why that most enlightened hinayanists or theravadins are regarded as, somewhat you know, unorthodox, is because that it is not in keeping with the fastened down rules and regulations. They speak something more than they been prescribed in the textbooks. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161718/file/293567#t=3045.0,3276.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161718/file/293567/transcript/85040/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: CLOSING REMARKS]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Maybe we should have discussion groups set up.\r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161718/file/293567#t=3276.0,3289.15592"}]},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161718/file/293567/transcript/85041","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["19730419VCTR1-Captions [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161718/file/293567/transcript/85041/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ARP SLATE: This is the\nVenerable Chogyam\nTrungpa Rinpoche,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161718/file/293567#t=0.51,4.004"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161718/file/293567/transcript/85041/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"University of Colorado classes,\n1973.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161718/file/293567#t=4.004,7.84"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161718/file/293567/transcript/85041/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This is talk number eight,\nThe Question of Nirvana,\nheld April 19th, 1973.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161718/file/293567#t=7.84,14.46"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161718/file/293567/transcript/85041/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This is an ARP digital remaster\nmade December, 2006.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161718/file/293567#t=14.46,21.18"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161718/file/293567/transcript/85041/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ORIGINAL SLATE: The following\nis Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche\nat the Tibetan Buddhism class,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161718/file/293567#t=21.18,25.38"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161718/file/293567/transcript/85041/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Colorado University.\nThis is lecture number eight\non The Question of Nirvana,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161718/file/293567#t=25.38,30.49"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161718/file/293567/transcript/85041/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"April 19th, 1973.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161718/file/293567#t=30.49,35.19"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161718/file/293567/transcript/85041/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: The question\nof nirvana.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161718/file/293567#t=63.4,67.77"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161718/file/293567/transcript/85041/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The most popular\nliteratures on Buddhism,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161718/file/293567#t=81.52,89.46"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161718/file/293567/transcript/85041/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"or that when you attend\ncomparative religious\ncourses in your little schools,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161718/file/293567#t=89.46,96.8"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161718/file/293567/transcript/85041/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"talks about\nthat goal of Buddhism\nis to attain nirvana.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161718/file/293567#t=101.66,110.05"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161718/file/293567/transcript/85041/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think there is something\nthat we have to question\nabout the whole thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161718/file/293567#t=116.43,121.99"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161718/file/293567/transcript/85041/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And also that it is been 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