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A talk in the form of a Q\u0026amp;A, with Trungpa Rinpoche answering very specific, well-formulated questions about the role of effort in meditation, how to work with daily discipline of meditation practice, the purpose of the technique of following the breath. Insights include about how the discipline of meditation reduces the seductions, distractions of the world; introduces simplicity -- the experience of \"things as they are.\" in a earthy, solid way. An extended and lively back and forth at the end, which almost takes the form of traditional Tibetan debate, focuses on whether transcending the ego opens one to \"God\", \"spirit,\" or \"atman\", as Trungpa Rinpoche skillfully steers the questioners toward a primary question of the Buddhist context, which is \"who are you?\"\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication"]},"value":{"en":["UNPUBLISHED"]}},{"label":{"en":["Transcription Credits"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eDec 28 2018 to Dec 29 2021 Transcribing: Ella Milligan Checking: Matilda Perks Final Proof: Travis May, Anne Seidlitz Other Contributors: Lynn Friedman, Warner Dick\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003e© Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Year"]},"value":{"en":["1971"]}}],"summary":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eThe conversation continues on Alan Watts' houseboat. A talk in the form of a Q\u0026amp;A, with Trungpa Rinpoche answering very specific, well-formulated questions about the role of effort in meditation, how to work with daily discipline of meditation practice, the purpose of the technique of following the breath. Insights include about how the discipline of meditation reduces the seductions, distractions of the world; introduces simplicity -- the experience of \"things as they are.\" in a earthy, solid way. An extended and lively back and forth at the end, which almost takes the form of traditional Tibetan debate, focuses on whether transcending the ego opens one to \"God\", \"spirit,\" or \"atman\", as Trungpa Rinpoche skillfully steers the questioners toward a primary question of the Buddhist context, which is \"who are you?\"\u003c/p\u003e"]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003e\u0026copy; Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved -\u0026nbsp;Not to be Distributed or Reproduced\u003c/p\u003e"]}},"provider":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["Chogyam Trungpa Digital Library"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["Chogyam Trungpa Digital Library"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/209/original/cti-library-logo-blue-text.png?1672724952","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/273/494/small/open-uri20250521-778-ndw37c?1747839531","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 1 - open-uri20250521-778-ajfgvg.mpga"]},"duration":5508.995,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/273/494/small/open-uri20250521-778-ndw37c?1747839531","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494/content/1/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-cti.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/273/494/original/open-uri20250521-778-ajfgvg.mpga?1747839531","type":"Audio","format":"audio/mpeg","duration":5508.995,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494/transcript/80090","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["19710515VCTR2-Transcript [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494/transcript/80090/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[19710515VCTR2 - Public Seminar - 1971 - Sausalito - Battle of Ego II - Talk 2]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]\r\n\r\n\r\nARP SLATE: This is the Venerable Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, seminar entitled Battle of Ego number two, held on Alan Watts' houseboat in Sausalito, California. This will be talk two in the evening, May 15th, 1971.\r\n\r\n\r\nThis is an ARP digital remaster made January 2006.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494#t=0.0,30.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494/transcript/80090/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: OPENING REMARKS]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Perhaps we could follow what we were discuss already on the previous session. It might be helpful for getting next subject. Question about meditation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494#t=30.0,87.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494/transcript/80090/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 1]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: It seems that beginning with meditation it's necessary to make an effort to concentrate on your breathing. But yet the sense of making an effort sort of makes it more difficult to just identify with the breathing. But it seems to be sort of a problem, at least for me.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well it seems that fundamentally, one doesn't particularly have to try to achieve basic criteria, by practicing meditation. But as you are aware of going through it, going with it, as long as one regard it as prescribed practice, and then the whole thing seem to be very limited. As long as that we are able to see the process of meditation is just a way of stepping into the non-dualistic, open space. I mean one could use-- you might ask how we could do it, then that's obviously the way to do is use any techniques, and just work with that, breathing or whatever is may be. Just go along with it, go through with it. Whole thing is a sort of simplifying process, seem to be more important, than trying to make clear everything's precisely worked out, and then you are safe to work on, and march on, so to speak. Somehow there doesn't seem to be necessary to have a particular application of security, as far as technique and the practice goes. You may not begin perfectly, but just begin. Doesn't matter about perfection.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: You mean you shouldn't try to think in terms of trying to achieve something, just--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: --sort of do it and--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, just do it.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: --not worry about whether--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Just leap out.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: --it's good or bad and--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Jump in.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: Yeah. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494#t=87.0,269.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494/transcript/80090/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 2]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Is there no-- is it bad to set like a minimum time for yourself? Because sometimes the-- you know, the ego tries to distract you by, you know, getting you to quit very early.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, there again you see, it's nothing to do with a set of rules that you should follow because your master said so. But it is good to have a certain amount of discipline, which is good. But one shouldn't feel guilty about not following them, particularly. At certain stage practice of meditation becomes a basic need rather than what should be doing. And if there's tremendous urge to give into the distraction of life, then obvious thing to do is just to step back, and look at that seduction as purely another thing, and then just get on to meditation. Well that's very much based on individual attitude, rather than, you know, general thing. It's good to have discipline, it's good to have a daily practice of meditation, absolutely essential, essential.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494#t=269.0,379.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494/transcript/80090/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 3]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: What, if anything, can you do if you become discouraged and feel like nothing is happening? I do have a-- I did have periods of feeling sort of let down, feeling like nothing's happening, or I'm not getting anywhere.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I mean it's not obligation anyway. It's just following the basic things; that if you've missed your lunch, you get automatically hungry and you eat. Compensate that. Rather than your lunch should be exactly at one o'clock. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494#t=379.0,473.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494/transcript/80090/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 4]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: I'm sort of curious about the place in all this of discipline. Mostly because discipline seems to me to place criteria on what it is that you're doing. It seems almost automatically to say that there's good and bad about what it is that you're doing. I was wondering if you could talk about discipline.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, discipline is not question of whether you're being good boy or naughty one. But it's simply just working on the process of-- watch out for the-- watching out for the seduction. At the same time, again seduction is not regarded as something bad and evil as such, but it's crowding situation. It's confusing situation. So, discipline is therefore is simplicity, of looking into the simplicity situation as things as they are. It is often much simpler to walk into the-- leap into the simplicity rather than trying to purely work your criteria as things as they are, in terms of a value judgment. And then, person's attitude towards discipline becomes very simple one. It’s something that there is that you have to work, something not necessarily appealing to you. But at the same time, discipline presents situation to work on, work with it. Rather than purely work in terms of obligatory situations, in terms of should and shouldn't. I mean the whole situation become much simpler.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494#t=473.0,628.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494/transcript/80090/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 5]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: I guess that what occurred to me was that, at least my own use of the concept of discipline, it seemed to make my work more complex, rather than simpler. And seemed to create more confusion than it dispelled. In that well, setting certain times to meditate and so on. And feeling that if I didn't meet my criteria, if I didn't make use of my situation, feeling that-- feeling confused, feeling disappointed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494#t=628.0,695.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494/transcript/80090/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 6]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well it seem that whole thing based on trying to reach particular goal, ideal situation. The discipline is take away the ideal situation of gain and goal principle, but just work with simplifying situation.\r\n\r\n\r\nALAN WATTS: I mean isn't meditation really fun? [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Not necessarily.\r\n\r\n\r\nALAN WATTS: [Laughs] But, you know... [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It could be a drag.\r\n\r\n\r\nALAN WATTS: Huh? TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Could be a drag.\r\n\r\n\r\nALAN WATTS: Yeah I know, but I don't think people who feel it a drag quite have the point.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494#t=695.0,800.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494/transcript/80090/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 7]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: There seems to be right along what he is saying, I've experienced like two kinds of phenomenon in my meditation. And it, like I found at one point like a deep fantastic fullness, which is like, comes from the heart, you know? And then at another point I found like a kind of a void kind of realization that is kind of expansive and very spacey. And I was wondering if, perhaps-- I've always enjoyed the heart portion of it. I was wondering if perhaps you could comment on this, and perhaps help me to look at some things which might help me to understand what these two different types of realization are. I mean, I'm just beginning to understand both-- Sorry? [Laughter] I think it's a lot of fun myself. Did I make that clear?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It seems.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: Okay.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well it seems that meditation is not particularly way of creating security. In the heart question that you discussed. Which sounds like -- maybe I am wrong, please correct me -- it sounds like it's sort of that you have ground, and you know what you are doing and it is pleasurable situation. And at the same time, it's not *completely* lost, not completely nihilistic, in the second thing you discussed and you conveyed. It seems that in this case that's something between the two. The stable and full, as well as empty and nothing. When they both just about to take place into each other, there's a moment of situation, of precision, things as they are. Sort of balance.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: I think I understand what you're saying, I'm not totally sure.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well you see the point is that when person is extremely sure of what person is doing and what he's experiencing, then that's also questionable. In other word a person wouldn't ask a question unless there's answer already. Answer lies within the question, automatically. So somehow the process of one thing involving into another process, is not such-- not a big deal in other word; it's a natural process. And balance could be only experienced if the transition, at that very moment, when you just about to cross one barr-- one territory to another territory, and that no man's land is true land, so to speak.\r\n\r\n\r\n[GAP IN AUDIO]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494#t=800.0,1165.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494/transcript/80090/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 8]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: At times, I've experienced conflict between space, emptiness in meditation, and my everyday life, in which I have to use my mind for a living, and other things. The conflict is one in which the clearer I and emptier I become in meditation, the more difficult it is to do things in this, you know, in the physical world, which I am doing. How can that be resolved?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [laughs] That sounds contradictory in terms, actually; meditation is the way of bringing out life. It sounds that so much there is analytical mind is involved, of experiencing, experiencing, and experiencing of that experience. As though you are living book, notebook, that you are taking everything's happening into a categorizing and putting to words, proper terms in words. Somehow that the basic qualities that meditation practice, in not so much of really observing when you are oneself, and watching oneself in terms of trying to set basic notion of advancement -- how much you advanced, how much you have progressed, and so on. And one doesn't have to work on that level; one doesn't have to, sort of, make chart of the economy. It seems lot of cases in the West particularly, there are lot of self-analysis process becomes hang-up, rather than purely throw everything in and leap into it. And then dance with it somehow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494#t=1165.0,1361.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494/transcript/80090/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 9]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: So you think that all that stuff about the discipline, in terms of regular meditation and length of time, that meditation is pretty much individual thing? I mean, is it-- or you don't-- like I was always thinking that, generally, it might be good, a rule to apply to myself, so it's not just to set up some kind of a schedule and arrange my life so I could sort of keep it, whether it's meditation in the morning or in the evening at a certain time. And then no matter how I feel, keep the length of time, whether it's an hour or half an hour whatever it might be. No matter what happens, kind of with the exception of, you know, the roof falling over my head. But do you think that could be a general...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, you see, the discipline and quality of individuality is saying the same thing, that it is possible to provide less room for seduction, of being completely sucked into other excuses of life, which is quite easily that we can present such case. But somehow that doesn't apply. Some kind of true, basic principle, of working regularly, and more so that if person had established a relationship with solidity situation of life, solid quality, the earthy quality of life, then meditation automatically plays important part.\r\n\r\n\r\nBut somehow that I would say that whether you want it to or not, it is good to have a particular time for practice of meditation, daily. So that you'll be able to work with the basic solidness of the earthy quality, peasant quality in us, in order to face the realistic pain and pleasure, living quality of fully experiencing things as they are in everyday life. Meditation is very important part of that.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: A schedule brings that in some way, because it produces-- apart from what you like or don't like, it just makes it--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, mhmm. And that's why the group meditation is important also; that you can't excuse yourself and leave, because everybody is sitting there and actually doing it. Which is a good discipline as well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494#t=1361.0,1585.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494/transcript/80090/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 10]\r\n\r\n\r\nALAN WATTS: Would you like to say something about a problem that *always* comes up in both the United States and England, whenever we talk about the spiritual disciplines in Tibetan Buddhism, which is \"siddhi.\" That is to say, here's a person who is really profession-- proficient in vajrayana, able to perform \"tummo\", staying hot in the midst of cold, \"lung gompa,\" running, all this kind of thing. Would you say something about that?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [laughs] Well, it seems that any kind of miracles that we expect to achieve, through the practice of meditation is a purely relative thing. If person is fascinated by such achievement, such masterpiece -- masterpiece in the sense of that person had managed to develop and able to manufacture such a gadget -- is-- seems to be out of the question altogether. In that case person is not really-- there's no potential in the person to achieve such miracle at all. Because the person still regard miracles as miracle, as magic, conjurer trick sort of type. At the moment when the person begin to realize these things as evolutionary process is a natural thing: sun shines and the sun set, and it produces beautiful effect. The flowers grow or trees grow, but no one regard it as a miracle -- just a natural process, evolutionary process. If a person is accepted that kind of world that he's in, is part of the whole process, then person would achieve, and person would be able to perform such miracles. Not necessarily it is based on himself, watching himself. But they say it is *so*, it just happens. So, it probably will take extreme intense practice of meditation -- at least for twenty-four, twenty-five years. That is to say twenty-four hours of work. That then his desire will be worn out. By then he wouldn't have such ambition to perform such miracles or achieve such things at all. [Laughter] And he's at it then, whether they want it or not. He's right there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494#t=1585.0,1801.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494/transcript/80090/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 11]\r\n\r\n\r\nMARY JANE: What happens if you make it in four years?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Too short.\r\n\r\n\r\nMARY JANE: Oh. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, depending the thickness of self-centered ego, and how far he should able to go. But--\r\n\r\n\r\nMARY JANE: You did leave some loopholes.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, this--\r\n\r\n\r\nMARY JANE: It isn’t necessarily twenty years.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: A hundred years what I mean to say, for certain person.\r\n\r\n\r\nMARY JANE: For a certain--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I mean you have to be realistic. Once you know that you can do, then automatically you'll double amount of expectation, and everything. I mean, there's always expe--\r\n\r\n\r\nMARY JANE: I'm not expecting.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: But you might want it. See some proof.\r\n\r\n\r\nMARY JANE: I don't need any.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's fine, then you are right there. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nMARY JANE: I've been trying to explain this to my great-grandparents.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What did you try to explain to them?\r\n\r\n\r\nMARY JANE: What they passed on to my mother. It was always looking for the future. And now I think she-- maybe she's made it, at eighty.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well you see basically I'm always on the side of underestimating. That's always been safe.\r\n\r\n\r\nMARY JANE: Did the British? You did it for the British?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Those who are familiar with ego, in any case. [Laughs; laughter] That's why the whole training comes. Could be a Tibetan or could be the Japanese or could be Chinese.\r\n\r\n\r\nAUDIENCE: The British.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: If you like.\r\n\r\n\r\nMARY JANE: That's why I picked that one. Why did you go to Oxford?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Why?\r\n\r\n\r\nMARY JANE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Because that's center of learning. I respected. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494#t=1801.0,2000.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494/transcript/80090/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 12]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: Well, in our Christianity, Jesus performed miracles and healing, you know? I mean those were not really miracles I guess, but they do understand the standpoint in which he did them. But it seems to me that being able to use this is desirable use of siddhis.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: When we talk about desirable-- did you say desirable?\r\n\r\n\r\nALAN WATTS: Desirable.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: I said it would be desirable to use-- to have them and use them.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, when you talk about desirable to use them, that's in itself is questionable. Desirable to you or me? Or to the world? Then once we get into that it's extremely complicated.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: With me watching him, and he watching me, and whether me watching him watching me. [Laughter] And on and on and on. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: But I think-- I don't know-- I know less about Christianity than I do about some of these other religions -- you know, Oriental religions. But it seems to me that this healing was powers, okay? Wouldn't you say that they were siddhis or powers resulting from advanced spirit-- advanced state--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, but there's no big deal about that. It's natural process.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: So we don't have to make a big deal about that. It happened, so it's not extraordinary. It's just so.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: The sky is blue and the grass is green. That's in--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --itself magic.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494#t=2000.0,2126.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494/transcript/80090/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 13]\r\n\r\n\r\nMARY JANE: And the person asking the question is always wanting to find mountains to climb, away from the city.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Are we talking about \"city\" or \"siddhi\"? [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nJEAN FISCHER: He didn't understand you, Mary Jane.\r\n\r\n\r\nMARY JANE: What?\r\n\r\n\r\nJEAN FISCHER: What you said.\r\n\r\n\r\nMARY JANE: When?\r\n\r\n\r\nJEAN FISCHER: Just things. If you ever do say--\r\n\r\n\r\nMARY JANE: Oh, I was talking to--\r\n\r\n\r\nJEAN FISCHER: --it's think it's possible nobody in this room ever spoke a word. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nMARY JANE: I was talking to Ruth. [Laughter] I was talking to [UNCLEAR: Ruth Elwater?] JEAN FISCHER: Oh, I'm sorry--\r\n\r\n\r\nMARY JANE: --asked a question, *hopefully* trying to explain why we have siddhis and why they are. But who goes off to Japan with us, and is running off all the time climbing mountains. All by herself. So that was a private [INAUDIBLE], sorry.\r\n\r\n\r\nJEAN FISCHER: I beg your pardon.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494#t=2126.0,2203.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494/transcript/80090/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 14]\r\n\r\n\r\nJEAN FISCHER: Just the whole thing boils down to: What is the ego? That's what we're here for!\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well said! [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nJEAN FISCHER: And the ego is what the world is made of.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well said. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nJEAN FISCHER: And we've got to get rid of that before we're ever going to see what *appears* to be a miracle, but is just everyday living imbued in joy and peace and health and security of the moment, not in the past or future.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, we don't-- [laughter] we don't *quite* really get rid of it, as a villain.\r\n\r\n\r\nJEAN FISCHER: As what?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: As a villain.\r\n\r\n\r\nJEAN FISCHER: Oh.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Not exactly.\r\n\r\n\r\nJEAN FISCHER: Then I'll continue to be a puppet, to something else. It’s what McLuhan said: You're just a victim of the advertising, and the TV, and the works.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, sure. [Laughter] Either though TV is not ego, though it's projection of it.\r\n\r\n\r\nJEAN FISCHER: Yeah?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Advertisement is also not ego.\r\n\r\n\r\nJEAN FISCHER: That's right, but it makes *me* be gradually involved in that thing that the world--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: But the TV and advertisement--\r\n\r\n\r\nJEAN FISCHER: Well anything. Could have been my mother wanted me to be a sweet thing.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, anything. [Laughter] But all these things made you to look into the ego more. Without them you wouldn't have been listening to me or listen to anybody. That's why you are here. And that is--\r\n\r\n\r\nJEAN FISCHER: Your world--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --that is stepping stone in itself. So we *use* them and wear them out. But not trying to fight them, destroy them, exorcise them. Do you see what I mean?\r\n\r\n\r\nJEAN FISCHER: I'm not sure. I think that the ego is what the world has made me, and I have to get out of that shell somehow or another if I'm--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Somehow or other but, let's not get paranoid about itself.\r\n\r\n\r\nJEAN FISCHER: Hmm?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Let's not get paranoid about it.\r\n\r\n\r\nJEAN FISCHER: Oh, I'm not that.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mmm. Much better.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494#t=2203.0,2363.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494/transcript/80090/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 15]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: Isn't it true that you like automatically transcend your ego or expand beyond it when you like really begin to love-- you really locate God and you begin to love him? I mean, when you can find him in others and everywhere around you? So that it's true that it's kind of-- you shouldn't get hung up on like trying to get rid of it, that you can just-- you yourself just-- you know that basic part of you just expands and it just replaces it?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Did you say God?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: God, yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What you mean by that?\r\n\r\n\r\nJEAN FISCHER: He doesn't know.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: Well, that which is-- I beg your pardon? [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Go on.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: Kind of like what-- the way I define God as being is our father.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Our father?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: Yes. My father? [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nJEAN FISCHER: Like my mother. [Laughter] [Trungpa Rinpoche laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: Actually, he's bisexual. He's father and mother [INAUDIBLE WORDS].\r\n\r\n\r\nMARY JANE: Oh? [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: You know, what can I say?\r\n\r\n\r\nMARY JANE: Well you can turn it into \"my country 'tis for thee. [Singing] Sweet land of liberty.\"\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: Right. Ah well, that's the way I define God as being--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, I know the women's liberation people refer to-- refer God as \"Her\". [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: What do you refer it as?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: What do you refer it as?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, that's a question actually.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: And then after that there must be an answer.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, is there anyone to refer to it?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: I don't know, I’m asking you, sir.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: But it doesn't seem to be. So, who's seeing God? Who? Who is perceiving it? [Laughs] What would you say, Alan? [Laughter; laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: Well, these other things--\r\n\r\n\r\nALAN WATTS: The answer to that is you know who. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [Laughs] I don't. [Laughter] Or do we?\r\n\r\n\r\nALAN WATTS: Well then you're wiser than I am. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nMARY JANE: Alan, you have a higher vantage point.\r\n\r\n\r\nALAN WATTS: I know, several thousand feet.\r\n\r\n\r\nMARY JANE: You were in the lowlands of England.\r\n\r\n\r\nALAN WATTS: Mhmm. No, but look here, about this God thing-- [Trungpa Rinpoche laughs] [laughter]. I think you're being just a little bit [INAUDIBLE WORDS].\r\n\r\n\r\nMARY JANE: Well--\r\n\r\n\r\nALAN WATTS: No, no, you are. [UNCLEAR: That's where you're mirror is?] [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nMARY JANE: You have never explained God to me, for god's sake. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: For somebody's sake, please.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494#t=2363.0,2563.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494/transcript/80090/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 16]\r\n\r\n\r\nALAN WATTS: No, but I think God-- Rinpoche here ought to say something about this because, you know, everybody knows Buddhists are atheists. Or aren't they?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nJEAN FISCHER: But they don't know.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Not quite.\r\n\r\n\r\nJEAN FISCHER: No they do, that's what I'm saying, [INAUDIBLE][laughter]. as David-Neel says, \"She's neither this nor that.\" They don't know.\r\n\r\n\r\nMARY JANE: Jean, you are my favorite straight man.\r\n\r\n\r\nJEAN FISCHER: Well, what's that mean?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It seems that we are-- biggest thing is that we're not question of-- we're not discussing that existence of God as such, at all. That's out of the question.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: Is it?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It *seems*.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: Okay.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: But who's perceiving such thing?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: Well in my case, *I* would be.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: How?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: I am me. I'm a spirit.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: How would you perceive it?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: Myself as being? I'm just being.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yourself?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: Yeah, I'm knowing myself and being--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: How do you know yourself?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: By just being myself, knowing myself. There's no other way -- you don't see yourself. [Laughs] You can *be* yourself, but there's nothing too much to see except, you know, what you are. What you're projecting. In other words I'm being myself.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You're being yourself?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's questionable. Then why did you ask question?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494#t=2563.0,2661.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494/transcript/80090/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 17]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: I was asking you, isn't it true that when one-- automatically transcends the ego, when like he expands out and loves others? And I thought--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Why do you want to transcend the ego, if you are you?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: I beg your pardon?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Why do we have to transcend the ego if you are you?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: Why do I have to transcend…\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Why do we have to transcend the ego, if you are you?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: I was setting an example of what she was speaking about when she was speaking of like the ego and to get rid of it, and things like this. And I brought up the point that you don't have to-- if you take your emphasis and your attention off of trying to get rid to it like it's some kind of a problem, and you just, like, work on loving others, and forgetting about yourself you know, and just loving others and caring for others, and caring--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, if you forget yourself, then you don't exist. Right?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: Well, it's kind of like, to put it in words would be-- you still exist but nevertheless you're-- \"you\" as an identity don't exist. \"You\" as a spirit do, yes, but you can't place a spirit in-- down into identity. You can't take something which is not in this universe, actually, or something which is-- can be this universe but would-- which actually isn't of it, and say, \"Well, this is it right here.\" Because it really doesn't have any mass and it doesn't have any motion--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494#t=2661.0,2758.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494/transcript/80090/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 18]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Then you can't say \"this is it\" either, can you?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: I don't understand.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: This-- you can't say \"this is it.\" Can you?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: That \"this\" [sound of patting chest] is--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: \"This is it.\" \"This is *it*.\"\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: \"This is it.\" Well this is *a* \"it\", and if this is-- [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I don't think it is \"a\" or \"b\".\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: [Laughs] Huh? What?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Doesn't matter \"a\" or \"a\". But if you establish something *is* there, that that must have been on something else, isn't it?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: Well, \"this\" is an agreed upon \"it.\" [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: I agreed to be here, so I am. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You can't prove that.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: I don't have to prove it. [Laughs] What do I have to prove?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No, I mean you can't establish your existence as you are.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: I can't--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You can't.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: --establish my existence as I am. I don't have to establish it. I just am.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, that's what everybody-- why did you say \"am\" then?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: What's that?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Why did you say \"I am\"? You are what?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: I just am.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Why you are?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: What's that?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Why are you?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: Why am I?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: Well, actually, probably because I am. [Laughs] Yeah I was-- you know, it's like I don't know everything. I mean like you know--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You don't have to.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: --yeah I, okay. Well, like, this is debatable. It's like, I'm aware that like God is like the--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Doesn't matter about that. Cut that piece out.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: What's that? [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Doesn't matter about God, but I mean we're getting on what you are.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: I have the feeling it does. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Okay, then go ahead.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: I really have the feeling that--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Okay.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: --that God is like the whole show, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494#t=2758.0,2875.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494/transcript/80090/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 19]\r\n\r\n\r\nALAN WATTS: But you’re saying words that I don't understand at all.\r\n\r\n\r\nJEAN FISCHER: Me either.\r\n\r\n\r\nALAN WATTS: I don't know what you mean by \"spirit.\" You're talking about things that I haven't the faintest idea what you mean. [Trungpa Rinpoche laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: I'm talking about things you don't understand?\r\n\r\n\r\nALAN WATTS: I haven't any idea what you mean when you say you're a spirit.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER16: Well, he means egoless state, I think.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: No, you can--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER16: Or spirit.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: I'm being, you know. I'm just-- I'm not this body and I'm just being.\r\n\r\n\r\nALAN WATTS: You mean you're not your idea of this body.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: No, I'd say obviously that I'm not this body--\r\n\r\n\r\nALAN WATTS: You don't even know what the body is. Tell me about your brain. How does the cortex relate to the hypothalamus?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: I have no idea!\r\n\r\n\r\nALAN WATTS: All right, you don't know about the body.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: You can know who you are without being-- you can know you're not your body, without knowing all the little nooky, nooky, nooky.\r\n\r\n\r\n[GAP IN AUDIO]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494#t=2875.0,2939.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494/transcript/80090/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 20]\r\n\r\n\r\nALAN WATTS: --body. Aren't these ideas?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: I guess they're-- they are--\r\n\r\n\r\nALAN WATTS: I mean symbols.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: Symbols, they're kind of like they're projections, yeah. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nALAN WATTS: No, but I mean spirit is a word. It's a noise used to designate something.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: Yeah, spirit is-- the word spirit is a word that is a noise that is used to designate something or a condition.\r\n\r\n\r\nALAN WATTS: Well, what does it designate?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: Spirit designates--\r\n\r\n\r\nALAN WATTS: Can you produce it?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: Spirit?\r\n\r\n\r\nALAN WATTS: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: It *is* -- you don't produce it. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nALAN WATTS: Yeah, but *it*--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: Spirit produces this, you know--\r\n\r\n\r\nALAN WATTS: Wait a minute, wait a minute.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: Oh, I see. Oh, okay. Okay, continue. I see, okay go ahead. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nALAN WATTS: And now?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: Okay.\r\n\r\n\r\nALAN WATTS: Can you show it to me?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: Can I show it to you?\r\n\r\n\r\nALAN WATTS: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: Can I show a spirit to you?\r\n\r\n\r\nALAN WATTS: Can you show me spirit?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: Well, I'm sure if you looked hard enough you could probably see -- if you relaxed and if we--\r\n\r\n\r\nALAN WATTS: Now I don't know what you're talking about. You see, I want to know-- I want you to show me--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: Have you ever looked within someone's eyes and seen the light?\r\n\r\n\r\nALAN WATTS: I've looked very deeply into people's eyes, yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: Have you ever seen like a little shining light in there?\r\n\r\n\r\nALAN WATTS: Yes, reflected sun.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: Reflected sun?\r\n\r\n\r\nALAN WATTS: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: [Laughs] No light that just-- that shone of itself?\r\n\r\n\r\nALAN WATTS: Betterthan light?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: Yeah, well a-- I'm trying to use words, you know--\r\n\r\n\r\nALAN WATTS: Yeah, all right. All right, go on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494#t=2939.0,3035.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494/transcript/80090/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 21]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: Like there is a light that shines within that is light of itself. That it doesn't need bodies and it doesn't need words, and it's like transcended above everything, and it doesn't need to be produced, because it just is. And everything else just kind of changes around it.\r\n\r\n\r\nALAN WATTS: Are you trying to show me spirit?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: Am I trying to show you spirit? I believe that you can show yourself your-- yourself.\r\n\r\n\r\nALAN WATTS: I'm not trying-- that's not my problem. My problem is for you to show it to me.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: You have to unfold yourself. I couldn't do that.\r\n\r\n\r\nALAN WATTS: No, I--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: I'm not Jesus Christ.\r\n\r\n\r\nALAN WATTS: No, I'm not-- no, all right. So--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: Like Jesus would say--\r\n\r\n\r\nALAN WATTS: This is just what I'm asking. I mean I'm not bothered about the question of what is-- what spirit is you see. I ask you because you seem to be bothered about it, but you seem to be trying to convince *him* that you were a spirit. And I want to know what you were at?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: I'm not trying to convince him.\r\n\r\n\r\nALAN WATTS: Then why did you raise the question?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: I raised the question for the lady back there. Or she's up there now. Because I was bringing out the point that, you know, like here's this thing that's bothering you whether it's a cushion on your leg or an ego. Don't-- you shouldn't worry about that, you should just expand your-- you should just totally become yourself. And all these other ego questions and all the other questions just disappear when you totally find God, you know, within yourself.\r\n\r\n\r\nALAN WATTS: Yeah, but who wrote that script? You say \"you should.\"\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: Nobody wrote that. I just do it. I--\r\n\r\n\r\nALAN WATTS: Why?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: Why? [Laughs] Because it's the thing to do. I'm just-- it's not so much a *doing*, it's a *being*. You know, it's like-- there's a difference between like doing and being is. I'm being, and the more I'm just being myself, the more I'm being like one with God. And when I do that all the questions of ego and everything just disappear and they fall away. And all the problems and everything are just like, you know, vanishing like little like pine cones of a tree, they fall out.[Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nALAN WATTS: Then.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: [Laughs] You're far out.\r\n\r\n\r\nALAN WATTS: What? Why?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: Huh? Why?\r\n\r\n\r\nALAN WATTS: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: You have a very nice aura. [Laughs] I can feel a lot of divinity out of you. [Trungpa Rinpoche laughs] Can you-- Alan, really, can you see what I'm trying to say? What I'm communicating to you? Like I really feel you understand [INAUDIBLE]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: I can't hear you [INAUDIBLE]\r\n\r\n\r\n[GAP IN AUDIO]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494#t=3035.0,3176.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494/transcript/80090/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 22]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: --that well, she thought you had-- she thought you had some good ideas, but she thought that-- that you should-- that you shouldn't like-- but that-- but she didn't think it was good for me to think so much about *myself*. That she thought it was selfish of me to think so much about myself. That's apparently her impression of course, meditation. And I don't know-- and-- well, she never clearly said it. I think, if you ask her, \"Well, what *should* I think about then?\" She would say, \"You should think about serve-- you should think about serving others and that will solve all your problems.\" And well, I don't think that's so-- and well, I don't think that's exactly where it stands, but I'm not-- but I don't know why it isn't.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, that's a basic question, when you begin to talk and discuss and think about others, other things, no matter other people or anything animate or inanimate, whatever it's may be. But then your problem comes is our relationship to them. Which seems to be fundamentally only to be answered as a way of viewing things as they are.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: What?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: A way of viewing things as they are hadn't been answered. So still it becomes a stumbling block problem, to a lot of people. Because, \"I don't know what I am, therefore, I don't know how I am. How I should view it.\" That seem to biggest problem.\r\n\r\n\r\nWhen we talk of Buddhist being atheist, from the Christian point of view -- or point of view of any religion -- it's not so much that Buddhism discards the notion of God, or the ultimate entity. But somehow that \"who\" is perceiving it, how you are perceiving it. It's natural process, if you have \"that\" then you must have \"this\", of some kind. For instance if you have a target to shoot, you must have a gun to shoot with it. Otherwise the target is functionless. It's a question of establishing what we are and *how* we are, seem to play more important part, this case. It's worth getting to the working on ourselves. And then next thing of how to work with others becomes automatic process, automatic of course. It's a natural process.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494#t=3176.0,3401.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494/transcript/80090/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 23]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: May I ask, does Buddhism have the concept of the atman like Hinduism has?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I would say Buddhism *has* the concept of atman as Hinduism has.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER16: Well, but then-- what-- would you say, that this atman is very similar to what the Christian theologians call the \"imminent God?\" I don't know which Christian mystic speaks in this part of the soul.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well you see, Buddhism can't just preach a teaching of alone egolessness, without having what they are talking about. They do have a concept of atman, but they *transcend* it.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER16: They transcend the atman?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Atman, yeah. That's why call it “anatta.” \"Anatta\" which means, \"a\" is \"negation\", \"attna\", \"attna\", \"soul\", or basic substance; you transcend that.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER16: But isn't the atman *itself* the transcendence of the ego in that it is the \"Self\" with a capital \"S\", which I understood the young man that spoke before to say, \"I am a spirit.\" I mean, didn't he mean perhaps by the spirit this transcendent self, which is the atman, and which is therefore the center of the total personality?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, from Buddhist point of view, there's no total personality. There's no \"Self\" with a capital \"S\", at all.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER16: Well, the--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I mean the notion of making big thing about, or small thing about self, doesn't exist at all. You see, the point is spiritual development doesn't have to have a *thing* to accommodate experiences. It is much freer if there's no-- nothing to accommodate *anything*. That's much more spacious and open situation. Buddhism doesn't talk in terms of receiver being particular thing as a receiver, but whole space is a receiver. So you don't have to limit yourself into particular situation at all.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER16: Yeah, but isn't the atman unlimited?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, once you've mentioned the word in itself is limitation.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER16: Yeah, but you also admitted that Buddhism has the concept.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's whole way of working through it. They understand and comprehend it completely, the concept of atman. That's *why* they transcended. That's why they saw beyond it. In other word, you could say that whole thing is completely naked -- what you call -- whole thing's completely negated. You must know what you're transcending, in other word.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER16: Yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's what had happened. They know what atman is, therefore they transcend it.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER16: I see.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494#t=3401.0,3633.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494/transcript/80090/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 24]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER17: Could we go on to the subject that you mentioned [INAUDIBLE]?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What's that?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER17: Could we go on to the next sub-- topic of the seminar?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Sure, but we should get--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER17: Okay.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --first thing clear.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494#t=3633.0,3670.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494/transcript/80090/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 25]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER18: How important is this like taking care of your body, as far as-- well, as far as not, you know, taking drugs that are unfulfilling, and alcohol or cigarettes or all those things? [Laughter, laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: How important it is. That's very fundamental question. Well, I would say that it's a question of intoxicated in the space, opposed to intoxicated on earth. That a lot of the indulgences based on intoxication of the space -- which is a hallucination, expectation, and one's desire, of the space. There's no room, there's no particular solid thing at all. Whereas, intoxication on earth -- so to speak \"intoxication\" if I could use quote quote -- is seeing this earthly quality of things as they are, and you *can* completely involve into it. You can get high in-- on earth. Because of there's no landing problem, so to speak. Once you're high on acid, or whatever's may be, you have a tremendous conflict of when you come down, from acid experiences of course. A conflict and facing the familiarity of things as they are. But on earth there's no problem at all. It's becoming the earth, and somehow it is very much of individual situation of psychological situation at the beginning to start with, and a physical situation of taking care of one's body, in terms of this high on earth. It doesn't seem to be particularly big deal.\r\n\r\n\r\nIf you're completely familiar and completely one with mind-body, psycho-physical mind-body, completely, then you don't indulge yourself into what is according to you is not applicable. You don't do it, automatically, it's repelling. You don't do it. Whatever's applicable according to what you are, you do it, automatically involve it.\r\n\r\n\r\nSo somehow this notion of purification, which is the kriya yoga tantra, in the first introduction of tantric tradition, where that wherever you perceive things as symbolism as they are, that you must be a pure vessel to receive these symbolism as they are. Somewhat doesn't apply. It is kind of, in that sense purely honeymoon type situation. You-- for the first time, you see it, therefore you want to purify, you want to be completely sensitive to the whole thing; it's kind of honeymoon trip. And once you go beyond that, then you have kitchen-sink problem [laughter], opposed to the honeymoon one. [Laughter] And that is very, *really* earthy thing. Working with the details of life as things as they are.\r\n\r\n\r\nSo final judgement is really rests on you, rather than me giving particular prescribed things, you know. I mean that's the basic general pattern as they are.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494#t=3670.0,3948.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494/transcript/80090/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 26]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER19: How do you cope with washing the dishes for instance?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: How do what?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER18: How-- do you-- you mentioned the kitchen sink... how do you cope with washing the dishes for instance, or with this or with the similar-- or with similar tedious realities?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, you just do things, you put Ajax and you [laughter; applause], hot water, you wash them, you dry them. [Laughs] You just do it! [Chuckles]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494#t=3948.0,4007.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494/transcript/80090/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 27]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER19: I thought that question, I think it was Alan Watts, and it was in reply to something he said to this gentleman about spirit. And that was with whether or not he knew his body, and Alan I think you mentioned, you know, the relationship between the cortex and the hypothalamus. And I have a very strong feeling that there are intricacies of the body that we just *cannot* know and that are not known right now. But I wonder at the same time, without that sort of knowledge if we can't be aware of our bodies, or aware of \"body-ing\", or being our body. But not knowing what the relationship between the hypothalamus and the cortex.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: We’re our bodies, did you say?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER19: Pardon?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Aware of body? The question that you're asking.\r\n\r\n\r\nALAN WATTS: She's asking about awareness of the body.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nALAN WATTS: Whether there's supposedly there's an enormous amount of bodily processes that we're *never* conscious of. Say neurological processes.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nALAN WATTS: In other words, what is the significance of not knowing these things? Or of being able to know them -- or of not being able to know them.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. Well you see, the process that necessarily, it isn't the point that you must know them all before you do... It's a question of whether you have a stepping-stone towards the knowledge. If you have the stepping-stone towards knowledge, then the process of understanding takes place of its own. That doesn't mean to say that you have to know the whole philosophy, and the whole symbolism and everything, surely will take at least ten years -- it took me to study ten years about study basic philosophy of psychology, Buddhism. It took me ten years, and it often takes thirty or twenty years, to study them. And that before you study them, you also have to learn Sanskrit, Pali, Tibetan, Chinese, Japanese, and one have to become fluent with all these languages so one would know what particular technologic-- technical terms that been used, in order to understand these points.\r\n\r\n\r\nSo if you're going to study from that point of view, that it seems to be extremely long way. Even once you understand them, then it is extremely dangerous. That whether you know in terms of mind-body situation, or whether you know in terms of purely body situation; terms, ideas and concepts as they are. Quite possibility is that you might lose your way, *again*, because you are wrapped up in Chinese, Japanese, Tibetan, Sanskrit, Pali, and everything, you'd be wrapped up in it. It is possibility. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSo therefore, only way to look into mind-body situation is just provide a stepping-stone, and work your way through. Your learning process of your physical body and its reactions, is identical to learning the psychological body and its functions. And learning becomes understanding as well as path. The path is goal and the goal is path; worked complimentary, they work together. And that somehow that's the-- what is known as technical term, “the practicing lineage,” which is particularly like Milarepa, and the Gampopa's tradition, and the great traditions of Vimalamitra and Padmasambhava, are known as \"practicing lineage.\" And those people worked and done it, and we could do it, it seems.\r\n\r\n\r\nSo it seems a question of really without fear of-- any kind of fear of jumping onto it, stepping onto the stepping-stone and walking onto it, it seem to be the point. Rather than how and what. You need a good friend to push you overboard onto this very stepping-stone, so you have to really walk on it. That friend could be yourself. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494#t=4007.0,4352.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494/transcript/80090/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 28]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER20: What's the stepping-stone?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER20: What is the stepping-stone?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Meditation. Honesty. Seeing things as they are, and what you are is what you are. Seeing without being ashamed, or without being-- particularly being proud of yourself, for seeing things as they are. It seems that whole practice, the whole question relies on practice of meditation. I'm afraid that seems to be *the* only way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494#t=4352.0,4404.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494/transcript/80090/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 29]\r\n\r\n\r\nJEAN FISCHER: What about grace? Do you not believe in that? I know that's just a word. But I mean couldn't it-- couldn't you be doing all this and all of a sudden that human mind stop? And you-- you're simply your mind?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You're what?\r\n\r\n\r\nJEAN FISCHER: You're simply your mind.\r\n\r\n\r\nALAN WATTS: Your mind.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. Did you say grace in the beginning?\r\n\r\n\r\nJEAN FISCHER: Grace.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Grace.\r\n\r\n\r\nJEAN FISCHER: Yes, it's just a word. But this does happen to everybody at times. When the pattern is stopped, something happens.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well... [laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nJEAN FISCHER: You accept that too then, go back to the other deal I suppose.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [Laughs] Grace, yeah. Well--\r\n\r\n\r\nJEAN FISCHER: Course that's a Christian word, and we've have--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It doesn't have to be.\r\n\r\n\r\nALAN WATTS: [INAUDIBLE]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nJEAN FISCHER: Well, could it-- do you believe that?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, it's not a question of believing that.\r\n\r\n\r\nJEAN FISCHER: Is that what happens occasionally?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, there is a Sanskrit word called \"adhishthana\", which is \"blessing\" or \"grace\", whatever you like to call it. But that, *again*, is same as we what were discussed. It depends on the recipient, the vessel principle.\r\n\r\n\r\nJEAN FISCHER: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: If the climate is right then there will be rain. If there's no property climate to invite rain, there wouldn't be one. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494#t=4404.0,4529.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494/transcript/80090/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 30]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER21: What are \"gift-ways\"?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What is what?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER21: Gift-- gift-ways.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What did you say?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER21: It's a term I read in one of the Evans-Wentz books.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I have never heard of a *thing*.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER21: Oh.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It could be devotional of some kind. But Alan Watts [sic], in his writings, are highly influenced by basic Theosophical philosophy. And he didn't use a lot of these terms [INAUDIBLE], theosophical terms. Which is not particularly familiar with literate translation of Sanskrit.\r\n\r\n\r\nALAN WATTS: You mean Christmas Humphreys. [Laughter] You said Alan Watts; you mean Christmas Humphreys.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Sorry, I don't know what... [Alan Watts laughs; laughter] Evans- Wentz.\r\n\r\n\r\nALAN WATTS: Yeah -- Evans-Wentz, yeah. [Laughter] Phew.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. Sorry.\r\n\r\n\r\nALAN WATTS: That's okay. [Trungpa Rinpoche laughs; laughter] .\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Evans-Wentz! You start with these terms, and one never knows that, what particular idea comes from. Sort of basic Sanskrit and Tibetan version of terms, opposed to Theosophical philosophy. I don't know this particular term. 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We could read all sorts of books.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER22: No, well I mean like books like-- well, I'll just tell you the books I mean. The books by Guenther, books by Tibetan scholar-- I mean, Buddhist scholars who are like into it in their lives, and have some kind of practice as well. And maybe Edward Conze and some people that kind of sit as well as are scholars, that have some relationship with a teacher perhaps.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Sure.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER22: You know what I mean?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. Well, it seems that very few books are really into it. Because scholarly knowledge is very weak in a sense. It's not independent one. Either the scholar knowledge could swayed by-- could be swayed by emotions, of the attitude to particular situation, like [Laurence?] Waddell's books.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER22: Like what?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Waddell, Waddell.\r\n\r\n\r\nALAN WATTS: Waddell.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Waddell. Nor for that always trying to relate back to your tradition that you come-- you're brought up, from purely kind of regarding translations, and source of translations, as part of the process of seeing strange land with strange ideas, sort of tourist type situation. Or else that there is a-- next strange thing is that person had already studied, understood, or practiced at least -- like C.C. 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Not too excessively, but take a small dose of it, and digest it and relate it with yourself. You don't have to either take it or reject, in the two extremes. You could work with it, somehow. Mhmm. And particularly the standard of books written on Tibetan teachings are very poor, extremely poor. There's no basic book written on Tibetan teachings by anyone, really, as survey of study of Tibetan teachings. Guenther is working on one, and it just about to come out. Maybe that would be the only one, but--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER22: What's that called?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I don't know yet the title.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER23: Who was the writer?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Guenther. I mean in case of Zen for instance, there a lot of subject of Zen. And the basic mental-- fundamental principle of Zen has been presented all sorts of ways. Like Alan Watts' books [laughs]. And lot of the stories of The Sixth Patriarch and John Blofeld's work on it, and other things. Being really very precise, to the Western mind, and manage to communicate thoroughly and fully, properly to the Western psychology. Whereas from the Tibetan books, which is on Tibetan Buddhism, the standard is extremely low; there's nothing at all, of such book.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494#t=4910.0,5079.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494/transcript/80090/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 33]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER22: Do you know a book-- there's two books I have in mind besides Guenther. One is by Bharati, it's called THE TANTRIC TRADITION. And the other is by S.D. Gupta, and I think it's called AN INTRODUCTION TO BUDDHIST PHILOSOPHY. Those two have a [INAUDIBLE] being only two that I could find out. you might get a certain informations, And particularly the Tibetan teachings are largely based on tantric traditions, which very few people able -- in fact, able to express tantra as should be presented. I mean, Guenther's effort is extremely sincere and very beautiful. Extremely good, sincere. But I wouldn't say *complete* one, it's sort of partial understanding. He trying to pick up certain highlights, of things, and at the same time that his style of presentation is very heavy. The closest to it is, I would say that HUNDRED THOUSAND SONGS OF MILAREPA is closest to it.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER24: How about THE WAY OF THE WHITE CLOUDS?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nJEAN FISCHER: That's totally about Tibet, I thought.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Sorry?\r\n\r\n\r\nJEAN FISCHER: That's mostly about Tibet. [INAUDIBLE]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nALAN WATTS: The more philosophical book, FOUNDATIONS OF TIBETAN MYSTICISM.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. Well there again, it's picking up highlights, rather than presenting the whole survey, the whole geography of Tibetan teachings, in terms of tantra.\r\n\r\n\r\nALAN WATTS: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: The tantric literature of Buddhism is very poor. Yet, it seems to be mostly prominent, particularly in the West. And there's tremendous potential, that people will be able to work on it, and study with it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494#t=5079.0,5236.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494/transcript/80090/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 34]\r\n\r\n\r\nALAN WATTS: Of course nowadays Western people, especially young people, are fascinated with the sexual elements, or sexual symbolism of tantra.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nALAN WATTS: Would you like to say anything about that?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, that's just one of the aspect--\r\n\r\n\r\nALAN WATTS: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --rather than a complete one. Of course the fundamental principle, of masculine and feminine principle, is universal. In fact runs back to basic Buddhist tantric tradition of passive and active principles of energies with life as whole. But somehow that once you begin to pick up that particular thing, \"Since I can't give up everything, this might be the best way for me. At the same time interested in doing something with my life.\" And somehow such kind of very local interest, individualized local interest to somehow doesn't really work one's way through. I mean, the symbolism of polarity, and positive-negative are very powerful, very illuminating in fact. Extremely... creative. But somehow the basic, just purely localized study of karmamudra principle in terms of sex, the sexual tantric experiences, are just picking one highlight alone, rather than purely working with the whole fundamentals of tantric Buddhism.\r\n\r\n\r\nOf course the automatic reaction to people is that, \"After all, making war is just destructive, making love is creative.\" I mean that's the basic simple-minded philosophy. [Laughs] of making love, and sexual experience of it. But somehow that, somehow there's something incomplete; it seems that one must work with both aggression as well as passion, And therefore we might work with this religious aspect Which probably needs a whole seminar in fact, whole course. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER25: Did you say compassion?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Passion.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER25: But you said something as well as passion.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Aggression as well as passion. To work in it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494#t=5236.0,5422.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494/transcript/80090/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: CLOSING REMARKS]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What's the time?\r\n\r\n\r\nALAN WATTS: Twenty to ten.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Perhaps we should be closing.\r\n\r\n\r\nALAN WATTS: As you want.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. and the bodhisattva path and further meditation practice, tomorrow we could discuss. And perhaps we better...\r\n\r\n\r\nALAN WATTS: One o'clock in the afternoon.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: One o'clock afternoon, yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER26: Rinpoche, I would like to make an announcement, that people would like to have interviews, and if they could come and sign up with myself or Kesang tomorrow, after the lecture's over.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. [audience chatter]\r\n\r\n\r\nALAN WATTS: So, if you want to finish up with the night [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think so, yes.\r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494#t=5422.0,5508.995"}]},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494/transcript/80091","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["19710515VCTR2-Captions [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494/transcript/80091/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ARP SLATE: This is the\nVenerable Chogyam\nTrungpa 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California.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494#t=7.3,11.41"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494/transcript/80091/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This will be talk two\nin the evening, May 15th, 1971.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494#t=11.41,17.27"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494/transcript/80091/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This is an ARP digital remaster\nmade January 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Mhmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494#t=2575.07,2576.41"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494/transcript/80091/annotation/481","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"JEAN FISCHER: But they don't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494#t=2576.41,2580.61"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494/transcript/80091/annotation/482","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Not 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You can't\ntake something which is not\nin this universe, actually,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494#t=2741.17,2747.47"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494/transcript/80091/annotation/529","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"or something which is--\ncan be this universe but would--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494#t=2747.47,2752.09"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494/transcript/80091/annotation/530","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"which actually isn't of it,\nand say, \"Well,\nthis is it right here.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494#t=2752.09,2755.11"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494/transcript/80091/annotation/531","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Because it really\ndoesn't have any mass\nand it doesn't have any motion--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494#t=2755.11,2758.5"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494/transcript/80091/annotation/532","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Then you\ncan't say\n\"this is it\" either, can you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494#t=2758.5,2764.49"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494/transcript/80091/annotation/533","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER11: I don't understand.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494#t=2764.49,2765.88"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494/transcript/80091/annotation/534","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: This--\nyou can't say \"this is it.\"\nCan you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494#t=2765.88,2769.682"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494/transcript/80091/annotation/535","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER11: That\n\"this\" [sound of patting chest]\nis--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494#t=2769.682,2772.59"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494/transcript/80091/annotation/536","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: \"This is it.\"\n\"This is *it*.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494#t=2772.59,2774.43"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494/transcript/80091/annotation/537","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER11: \"This is it.\"\nWell this is *a* \"it\",\nand if this is-- [laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494#t=2774.43,2777.97"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148908/file/273494/transcript/80091/annotation/538","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I don't think it\nis \"a\" or \"b\".\nSPEAKER11: [Laughs] Huh? 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