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Bardo experience in the human realm has an illusory, hallucinatory quality. Intensity of emotions leads us to create masks, protections, which in turn create ambiguity, uncertainty of true or false. Expectations and desire for efficiency, but irritation occurs when these are not achieved. Peak experience of illusory body experience as if finding ourselves in the river of human consciousness and passion, and then not knowing what we are doing there. The everyday practice is to acknowledge the transparent and uncertain quality and to not be afraid of it."]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication"]},"value":{"en":["BOOK: Transcending Madness","BOOK: Collected Works Vol 06"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication Details"]},"value":{"en":["BOOK: TRANSCENDING MADNESS: Part One, Chapter 5: The Bardo of Illusory Body\u003cbr\u003e\n-- from \u003ca href=\"https://www.shambhala.com/transcending-madness-1570.html\"\u003eShambhala Publications\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\nBOOK: COLLECTED WORKS VOL 6 (in contained book TRANSCENDING MADNESS)\u003cbr\u003e\n-- from \u003ca href=\"https://www.shambhala.com/the-collected-works-of-chogyam-trungpa-380.html\"\u003eShambhala Publications\u003c/a\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Transcription Credits"]},"value":{"en":["Sep 07 2021 to Sep 14 2022 Transcribing: Ella Milligan Checking: Jessyca Goldstein Final Proof: Ruth Veleta Other Contributors: Lynn Friedman, Warner Dick"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["© Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced"]}},{"label":{"en":["Year"]},"value":{"en":["1971"]}}],"summary":{"en":["The bardo of illusory body, associated with the human realm. Bardo experience in the human realm has an illusory, hallucinatory quality. Intensity of emotions leads us to create masks, protections, which in turn create ambiguity, uncertainty of true or false. Expectations and desire for efficiency, but irritation occurs when these are not achieved. Peak experience of illusory body experience as if finding ourselves in the river of human consciousness and passion, and then not knowing what we are doing there. The everyday practice is to acknowledge the transparent and uncertain quality and to not be afraid of it."]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["© Diana J. 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Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]\r\n\r\n\r\nORIGINAL SLATE: This will be Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, seminar on The Six States of Bardo, held in Allenspark, Colorado, in July 1971. This will be talk number five, Bardo Experience in the Human Realm, July 19th.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138130/file/256018#t=0.0,29.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138130/file/256018/transcript/72344/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: MAIN TALK]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Talking about bardo is… in some ways very personal, as well as general experiential level.\r\n\r\n\r\nAUDIENCE: It's working.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138130/file/256018#t=29.0,73.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138130/file/256018/transcript/72344/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: And particularly the next process, the third stage we are talking-- going to talk today is extremely experiential and personal level. That's-- that is bardo of body, or it has been said is illusory body, body of illusion. The body of illusion starts from the river of passion, desire, of human realm, as we've gone through this explanation of human realm, and it is very intimate and personal. Passion is generally intimate and personal level. Everything has been experienced as though that any kind of clothings or masks or skins been peeled off, and everything's been expressed purely-- experienced purely in the naked flesh level. And this kind of being very personal and sensitive and touchy aspect continues with our state of being all the time. That we react to situations and we react to emotions, and these emotions have sharp, penetrating element, and we can't bear to see them. It's very sharp.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138130/file/256018#t=73.0,243.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138130/file/256018/transcript/72344/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But at the same time that because of its personal experience of sharpness and intimacy of desire and emotions be so intense, that automatically of course we put up natural devices of mask, skin, clothings, over it. And that's the problem that minute when we begin to put masks or clothings over it, then we have second thought, that after all we do like to experience these passions and emotions in its naked quality. But at the same time that it seems to be more manageable, pleasurable, to put some masks, clothings, over it. And that's kind of ambiguous state. In other word that we are not quite certain where we at. On the other hand we want indulge, dive into this experience completely, but on the other hand too embarrassing, even to ourselves, to do that. So, having some kind of masks is good from that point of view.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138130/file/256018#t=243.0,341.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138130/file/256018/transcript/72344/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That kind of uncertainty is the problem that goes on always with situations of life. And a lot of the problems and conflicts comes from preconceptions. And we are talking about human realm this case, connection with the bardo of illusory body. And a lot of the situations comes from expectations. That expectations of achievement, expectations of fulfillment, that driving force, energetic, speedy experience of world of asuras -- the jealous gods realm we be talking about yesterday -- there's some nostalgic quality of going back to that level. Everything's happens so efficiently, but in this case of human realm that nothing happened very efficiently. We would like to imagine something before we get into it, and we will create particular situations of imaginary situations. And we push that imaginary home, imaginary convenience, luxury, and we trying to recreate them, trying to produce them in terms of physical situations, actual situations of now. The problem is that not able to achieve that -- that brings us frustration.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138130/file/256018#t=341.0,486.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138130/file/256018/transcript/72344/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Another factor involved with the human realm in this case is choices, choices based on irritation. Without irritation there wouldn't be any choice, but a choice between that particular category to this particular category. That this particular situation, such as like personal experience of analyzing oneself, intellectualizing oneself, and personal experience of instinct, depends on the person's situations, that automatically that we tend to pick up either of the situations. That we feels uncertain unless there's explanation of analyzing it. Or else there is another situation which is based on instinct and analyzing it, and this experience become uninspiring. It doesn't allow any room to inspirations. One would like to have purely, pure state of passion. And these are the seem to be problem that runs right through the human realm that we all face.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138130/file/256018#t=486.0,617.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138130/file/256018/transcript/72344/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But now then, if these all the problems, if regarded as problems, then how we work with them, how we see the glimpse of transcending from them, in terms of bardo experience, is again that when we talk of illusory body it is obviously illusory body, not physical tangible body, it's mind-body situation always. And this illusory body is very healthy attitude, that we see these situations of confusions, of polarities being worked up to certain point of-- certain particular point of realistic level. That willing to face the illusory aspect, willing to face the mirage quality, hallucinatory quality, willing to face that. So the human realm and its bardo experience is hallucinatory quality, illusory body.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138130/file/256018#t=617.0,704.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138130/file/256018/transcript/72344/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And this particular type of illusory body is precisely transparent nature of experiences. That we see, yet we don't see. We see something, but yet at the same time we are not quite certain whether we are seeing the background of the scenery or whether we are seeing the scenery itself. Uncertain hallucination, ultimate hallucination. And that ultimate hallucination act as bardo experience. Again, it is being the choice between real or unreal: is this illusory body's illusion itself or is this pure imagination? And one begin to ask questions, whether does the illusion exist, mirage exist, or not? And a person begin to again involve this threshold of between transparent figure and solidity of its background. And person begin to have very confused attitude of this, exactly the same thing what we had-- what we be talking about yesterday and day before, uncertainty of the truth and false. One is not quite certain whether you are actually getting somewhere or whether you be fooled by something.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138130/file/256018#t=704.0,815.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138130/file/256018/transcript/72344/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's always happens of course, uncertainty. We could use same kind of analogy of us being here together, that we are not quite certain why we are here, we are not quite certain why I talk, why others listen. But at the same time we do. Happens that way. It sort of happened in the magical sense or accidental sense, it happened. We can't deny it didn't happen at all. It is quite certain as far as we are concerned that we are not going to wake up and find ourselves in our parents' house and breakfast ready for us. That's not going to happen. [Laughter; laughs] We are here. You may not know that why you are here, what hell you are doing with meditation, [laughter] Buddhism, listening to a Tibetan freak. [Laughter] But it's happening, it's happened, nevertheless.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138130/file/256018#t=815.0,904.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138130/file/256018/transcript/72344/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's kind of situation of peak point of not certain why but happened, is the human realm of that particular experience. Again, it carries the same kind of possibilities -- \"I'm not quite certain why I am here, but yet at the same time, if I pass that level of uncertainty, maybe after all there's something, or maybe after all there isn't something.\" It's the very threshold of not knowing who's fooling who, but at the same time, something is fooling something. [Laughter] And that foolishness is the illusory quality, of course -- not knowing there's no tangible things in it at all, it's completely loose, irritatingly loose. [Laughter] I mean it is worth getting aggressive about it. That you would like to fix your [UNCLEAR: pain?] down, paste it on the wall, but somehow wall doesn't exist and the poster doesn't exist. It shifts all the time, you can't fix it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138130/file/256018#t=904.0,995.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138130/file/256018/transcript/72344/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Realize this foolishness is who's fooling who, is the illusory body aspect of human realm. That's the bardo experience which exist on human realm. But desire to get into such experience... I mean the desire which drove us into this particular experience is the background of human. In other word, the whole aspect that we find ourselves being here is the human river, the river of human consciousness, of passion, which drove us here, and we find ourselves here. But at the same time, we-- since we are here -- having found ourselves here rather -- and then not knowing what you are doing, is the peak experience of bardo, illusory body experiences, which is very important to realize.\r\n\r\n\r\nAUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE WORDS]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well it's-- illusory body is made out of both yes and no.\r\n\r\n\r\nAUDIENCE: Body, b-o-d-y?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138130/file/256018#t=995.0,1084.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138130/file/256018/transcript/72344/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. Is both negative and positive. You are not quite certain where it is, how it is, it's ambiguous quality of it, uncertainty of it. At the same time there is a general feeling or perception of transparent quality of the body or, you could say, realize the foolishness of us. Like in the particular analogy of us being here together and fooling each other, that particular uncertainty but vagueness, and that particular experience of not knowing exactly whether you are going or coming is the illusory aspect of it. Confusion -- but \"confusion\" has certain particular association of pejorative sense, but I wouldn't say this is confusion, but this is seeing the abstract quality of nature as it is... maya. It's the dance of the \"maya\", \"illusion.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138130/file/256018#t=1084.0,1189.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138130/file/256018/transcript/72344/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So in terms of actual practice in everyday life situation is that just acknowledge that transparent, uncertain quality as it is. There's no point in trying to stay back, run away from it. In fact you can't, you are on it. And you can't force this development either, at all. It is just thing in its own pattern. So the only way to work or deal with this bardo experience of human realm is just proceed along. Depends on your previous trainings or previous experience of meditation, or previous experience training of aggression, or passion, and you just go along. It's the karmic pattern that you got onto this particular train, and train's going to go on and on and on. There's no point in getting panic, but just have to accept it and face it and go along with it. The all the bardo concept that's be evolved is the unchangeable quality, natural, powerful quality, that once you are in that state, you can't change. But only way you can deal with is seeing the background quality of it.\r\n\r\n\r\nAnd perhaps we should stop there and have a discussion.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138130/file/256018#t=1189.0,1311.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138130/file/256018/transcript/72344/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 1]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: I've heard you use the term \"mind-body\" before, and I'm still struggling to grasp this. Is it-- it's not tangible, is that correct? Is it comparable to the concept of shunyata? Or is that way off base?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well in a sense it is comparable to the idea of shunyata. But the whole idea of mind-body is every perception has its solidness as well as its loose quality in them. In other word that it gives the idea of that you can't fight or destroy it, or you can't embrace and cuddle it. It's loose pattern.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: Pattern of perception?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It's a pattern of perception, yes. Our version of body.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138130/file/256018#t=1311.0,1386.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138130/file/256018/transcript/72344/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 2]\r\n\r\n\r\nLILLA KALMAN: What do you mean by background quality or background? We are on this trip and we can't get off it. So just-- how did you put it? Just look at it, or observe it?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I think it seems it is could be said that once you got into something, undoing, or the possible idea of undoing, is very much based on idea of panic. So the idea is that just to accept the ultimate acceptance of the whole situation. But at the same time by asking questions, it doesn't help. Because possibility is that when once you begin to ask question, \"Why this is so?\" -- like for example if you say that \"Why we are here?\" We are just here, and the questioning doesn't clarify it at all, in fact it confuses more. Unless you are actually willing to accept that you are trodding on this particular area and walking on it, you're eating food of this place and you are walking on this place, you are sleeping in this particular roof, it is so. It's the unchangeable quality of situations. I mean, possibility is that people would think, \"Of course I'm not going to accept it, and I'm going to change it.\" But there again it's-- you're involved with another experiences. That you are in here and you can change only *from* here to something else. So you are still determined-- you're still governed by situation where you are. And your change can only take place by relating with the place you are been and acceptance of that. It's question of seeing the whole background as it is and acceptance of it. In other word in human life situation that if you feel that you have made a mistake, don't try to undo the past or the present, but just accept where you at and work from there.\r\n\r\n\r\nIn other word, tremendous openness of where you are is necessary to know. Like this applies to practice of meditation for instance. A person just should learn to meditate on the spot, on given situations of the moment, rather than that \"I'm going to give up my job,\" or \"At the end of my pension age I'm going to receive pension, and I'm going to build my house in Hawaii or middle of India, Gobi Desert, and *then* I'm going to enjoy myself. I'll live in a solitude life, and I then really will meditate.\" Situation never happens that way. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138130/file/256018#t=1386.0,1611.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138130/file/256018/transcript/72344/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 3]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: Is physical pain an instance of this particular bardo you're talking about?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What did you say?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: Is physical pain an instance of this bardo that you're talking about?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Physical pain as well. But again, using the same analogy as mind-body, usually physical pain is translated by the mind as mental pain has been translated into physical ones. So there's no really such thing as actual physical pain. There's mind pain, mental pain.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138130/file/256018#t=1611.0,1649.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138130/file/256018/transcript/72344/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 4]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: If somebody is meditating and he's having a lot of confused, distorted thoughts, would you consider it a good meditation to kind of regard everything as really not there and kind of there, kind of solid but kind of floaty? If you're taking the thoughts too real, if you're really lost in them?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, if you are clinging to it, in other word if you trying to solidify the thoughts, and then somehow the basic idea of meditation is lost, completely, because you fail to see the illusory qua--\r\n\r\n\r\n[GAP IN AUDIO]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: By trying to see the illusory quality of thoughts do you solidify them?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You *fail* to see the illusory quality of the thought because you try to solidify them by involving into them. But you see, fundamentally the, in terms of meditation, such idea of good meditation, bad meditation, is child's game. It doesn't exist. Meditation just so. I mean, once you try to put it in category and then you are lost already anyway. Meditation itself becomes a giant thought process in itself. Once you begin to put it in categories, then you begin to have ideal situation of meditation and you have a bad idea of meditation. But usually, if a person is able to open completely at the situation of meditation, then anything happens within that realm is usually transparent or translucent, anyway.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138130/file/256018#t=1649.0,1785.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138130/file/256018/transcript/72344/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 5]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: So if you feel close, if you have glimpses that kind of indicate-- you start to realize that maybe you're close to a kind of bardo experience, then there's really nothing you can do except try and not clothe it or put projections on it. Or...?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well just to go along and not panic in the situation, just go along.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138130/file/256018#t=1785.0,1815.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138130/file/256018/transcript/72344/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 6]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: When you're in the awakened state of mind and there's no identification of the ego with the mind, is the mind still there? Like do thoughts come, it's just that you're open to them and you see the illusory process of that, rather than cling to them or identify them? In other words is the mind processes still there in the awakened state?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well that's depends on the level of confidence in yourself. That at the beginning mind is very much there, it becomes a mental game to start with, in terms of meditation practice. But certain stage you begin to accept and you begin to relax more and go along with the pattern of practice, and then there is less mind, there is more space. Mind, when we talk in this terms, is the grasping qualities of mind, this case, I mean rather than the consciousness of intelligence.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138130/file/256018#t=1815.0,1876.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138130/file/256018/transcript/72344/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 7]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: Is like the proper attitude of meditation then is you just sit down and there you are, and everything sort of goes through?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Exactly, yeah. I mean lot of people--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: Just sitting there.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: Just sitting there?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Just sitting, yes. [Laughs; laughter] Absolutely doing nothing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138130/file/256018#t=1876.0,1896.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138130/file/256018/transcript/72344/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 8]\r\n\r\n\r\nLILLA KALMAN: What about being sure where you are? How about, well I can say one, maybe sure I was here because I'm living here. But if the mind is as important as the body, then what if, in a given moment, you are here because you see the walls and the other people here, but your mind is in New York, for instance? Then how you are-- how can you be sure where you are?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well you see, exactly the same way. That you are here because your attitude to things are still here. Whether the situation, temperature is hot or cold, and your mind attitude of being here is still continues, but imaginary quality of memories goes along anyway.\r\n\r\n\r\nLILLA KALMAN: But at a given moment you can be somewhere else.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You could, yes, but you are still here as well. You see mind is very-- has such expansive range of all kind. Memories of including childhood, or memories of several thousands of years, as well as present being here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138130/file/256018#t=1896.0,1991.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138130/file/256018/transcript/72344/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 9]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: Are you not hoping to solidify our thoughts by answering our questions?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think so, yes. Well we have to speak the language of confusion. That's what's been happening. But once you begin to go along with it, then possibility is that the language of the confusion, language of samsara, is begin to seen as absolute fool.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: So then we wouldn't be here?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Then you wouldn't be here. I mean our method is very primitive. That's the only way, it seems. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138130/file/256018#t=1991.0,2037.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138130/file/256018/transcript/72344/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 10]\r\n\r\n\r\nCYRUS CRANE: Are we living in the bardo state now, and if we are, is this part of the illusory mind that you're talking about?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Definitely.\r\n\r\n\r\nCYRUS CRANE: And if that is all so, where does the awakened state of mind relate to this quality?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Within illusion, within illusory aspect. That if we are able to understand the illusory quality as it is, and that is the glimpse of awake state as well at same time. In other word, we operating on the illusory body along with some seed of awake, otherwise we wouldn't be working or discussing on the subject at all. That intelligence to talk on that subject, work on that subject, meditate with that, is the awakened state of mind.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138130/file/256018#t=2037.0,2099.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138130/file/256018/transcript/72344/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 11]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: [INAUDIBLE] the awakened state?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well you see there's no end if you trace back that way. It goes on and on and on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138130/file/256018#t=2099.0,2110.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138130/file/256018/transcript/72344/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 12]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: But how do you put together the illusory state, and who is fooling who, when some-- the structure of Buddhist thought which puts all sorts of trips on me anyway about higher states and goals and aims of relieving all the suffering and so forth. That seems to be that you have a rigidity or something concrete there on one hand, yet all the other practices would lead you there are so illusory, as you say.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: How do you put-- are they contradictory? Or how could I for instance come to terms with this what I consider a complete dichotomy?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, you see it's... I suppose the only way to relate that is you can only understand-- comprehend the situation purely by not trying to categorize it. That's where the acceptance come from. There are certain methods and techniques put out is dualistic one, illusory one. And at the same time the inspirations of these techniques, methods, comes from inspiration of awake. So, whole way to work-- deal with is just not put into pigeonholes anymore at all, non-caring quality, whether it's illusion or not.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: They are coexistent then?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: They are, yeah. I mean that is so, yes. But not to-- not trying to put them into particular categories.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138130/file/256018#t=2110.0,2231.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138130/file/256018/transcript/72344/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 13]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: Is this like saying after a while like when you meditate--\r\n\r\n\r\nAUDIENCE: Little louder, please.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: After a while when you meditate the thoughts are still there, like you-- they'll always be?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Exactly, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: But they won't be there?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Exactly, yeah. That's a good one, yeah. [Laughter; laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138130/file/256018#t=2231.0,2254.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138130/file/256018/transcript/72344/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 14]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: Rinpoche, the buddhas are called often \"the conquerors\", \"jina\", conqueror. What is it that they conquer, exactly?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, they conquered a limitless range of self-deceptions. It is been said that those who destroys the seven great mountains of conceptualization. This comes in the madhyamaka philosophy. Nagarjuna's dialogue is the called \"vajra spark\", spark of vajra which destroys the nine gigantic mountain ranges. It's the succession of mountain range, one after another, in order to protect the previous mountains; it's the succession of self-deceptions.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: Illusion?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Illusion, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: Is that illusion of a self or?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It's illusion of itself. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138130/file/256018#t=2254.0,2321.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138130/file/256018/transcript/72344/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 15]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: During meditation, if at one point you're seeing the solidity of thought, and at another point you see the space in between them, and the looseness, and you're not doing anything, isn't there still that witnessing quality of seeing thought and space?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: There is this witness quality, yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: So should one try to not be the witness or--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well you don't try to do anything, you just accept and go along with it. And that's the whole point you see. Then you-- certain state you begin to realize any techniques, any framework that you put into is also foolish thing, certain stage, then you drop them. But until you actually see that foolish quality, you just go along with the fool, being fool. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138130/file/256018#t=2321.0,2374.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138130/file/256018/transcript/72344/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 16]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: Seems like the bardo of illusory body is for the first time it gets into pejorative connected to it. Like it's-- the other two bardos I didn't get that sense. Why is that, you know what I mean?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well it is-- you see whole point is that we are trying to speak the language of samsara, and inspirations opposite of all these bardo experience and other complexities are speaking purely terms of duality. And therefore it is not absolute answer in any case -- including even mentioning in terms of freedom at all, or teaching at all, dharma at all, is pejorative thing, fundamentally. It's not absolute thing because we are talking-- we are panicking in some sense of the talking of the teaching. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138130/file/256018#t=2374.0,2436.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138130/file/256018/transcript/72344/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 17]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: What is the difference between samsara and bardo, or is-- I mean are they distinct? Is there a place where they merge?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well it seems to be the same. \"Samsara\" is general term which means sort of whirlpool, you know, continual circle of confusion. One confusion sowing seed another confusion, so you go round and round and round. And in this bardo experience also is the same kind of experience. If you-- but at the same time there is possibilities of step out of confusion of samsara, as well as getting some understanding of the bardo experience and transcending it. It's the same thing. I mean bardo experience could continue all the time. You could get these peak experience of illusory body, jealousness, and eternity of god's level, or experience could come up, and then you go back to confused level, and you repeat again and again and again.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138130/file/256018#t=2436.0,2504.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138130/file/256018/transcript/72344/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 18]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: It seems to me like that would make like-- as long as there, while all these things happening there's a need for meditation. And since they always happen then there's always a need for meditation, right?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes, well bardo experience are very important to know. Because that, for one thing that nothing is regarded as in terms of un-- I mean, in terms of some unexpected revelation is coming up. I mean the general tendency is that in the meditation experience people often come to these particular highlights of experience, and not knowing what particular type of highlights of experience and regard them as a revelation. So having understood bardo experience, or knowing the bardo experience, takes off your lot of this trip of sudden glimpse of enlightenment that lot of people tend to freak out from that subject. That they had satori experience, since then their life's been changed, and trying to hold on to it, that's the most dangerous, lethal aspect of all. So having understood bardo experience, then sudden glimpse could be associated with a particular experience of state of mind, whether you belong to hell realm or hungry ghost realm, whatever it may be. So nothing's regarded extraordinary, it's just one of the patterns.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138130/file/256018#t=2504.0,2609.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138130/file/256018/transcript/72344/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 19]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER16: Is bardo a breakthrough?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes and no. It depends.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER16: It could be either?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Could be either, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER16: Could be a breakthrough-- I mean a breakthrough could be a bardo experience.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Could be, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER16: In the sense that it's in motion or it's moving from one thing to another or something like that?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes, but that doesn't mean anything, very much. I mean you're continuously going along with the patterns.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER16: What about the \"no\" part?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What is what?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER16: What about the \"no\" part? That's-- like yes it could be, but it doesn't very much, and if it was no, a breakthrough-- how could a breakthrough not be a bardo?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Any breakthrough could be said as bardo, bardo experiences.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER16: Yeah, but I'm trying to get at the sense in which you used \"yes and no.\" You said, \"yes and no.\"\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Oh, I see. [Laughter; laughs] Well then I should say that bardo experience could be breakthrough, but at the same time it is not big deal. It's not ultimate freedom necessarily. There is something funny about when people talk about that their life's been completely changed, like once the first time they had acid experience or any kind of experiences that their life's been completely transformed and changed. Which brings idea of they want to discontinue what they are. They don't want to-- they don't like what they were, but they like what they are now. And the bardo understanding brings them into very earth-grounding quality that nothing is changed before bardo experience, nothing changed after experience, but experience gone *through*. That's very important point.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER16: Say that-- [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well the experiences are not just pure transformation of your life, but they are continuity, and continuity takes the shape of highlights and other situations as well.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER16: The bardo could be a very impressive peak experience, but it could also be just regular little waves?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes, but at the same time that nothing is regarded as complete change. That's very important, the continuity in the process of what you are cannot be escaped. You know, you can't regard that achieving something is you abandon your bad self and you are latching onto the good one.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138130/file/256018#t=2609.0,2773.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138130/file/256018/transcript/72344/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 20]\r\n\r\n\r\nLILLA KALMAN: Is the intensity of the bardos at all relevant?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Advanced levels is more of coming back to what was, in a sense. I mean seeing the whole-- seeing the complete, hundred percent bardo experience properly as it is, but you are not leaving anything behind.\r\n\r\n\r\nLILLA KALMAN: What I asked, actually was, if by after having many bardos, if the intensity is different, or if it is relevant at all to the situation? I mean, one experiences different times, different bardos, differently. I mean, and different intensity.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well yes, it will be-- it will always take different shapes of experience, *almost* one could say, of different types of bardo experiences.\r\n\r\n\r\nLILLA KALMAN: Yes. Is the intensity at all relevant to one's situation, to one's-- do they become-- I mean is it a point of advancement or of regression if it become more intensive or less intensive?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, it's question of if you are involved with confusion, hope and fear, more intensively, then that kind of bardo experience comes. Whereas if you are involved with particular practice of awake, awakened state of mind, like meditation practice is the other kind of attempt to see the reality, and that kind of peak experience goes on at the same intensity. So bardo is just a building up of energy, either could be negative energy or positive energy; the intensity is the same. It is really depends on how much you involved with your pattern of life before you had experiences of bardo.\r\n\r\n\r\nLILLA KALMAN: I didn't mean the different-- intensity of the *different* bardos, I meant of any of the bardos.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes, any given bardo is the same thing. So be same thing.\r\n\r\n\r\nLILLA KALMAN: So intensity is not really relevant to anything.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No, intensity is not relevant.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138130/file/256018#t=2773.0,2941.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138130/file/256018/transcript/72344/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 21]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER18: Could you define the freedom that you speak of? You mentioned that you use that word several times, \"freedom\". Would you define it for us?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well it's again, freedom is… the possibilities of being generous. That you can afford to open yourself, that you can afford to walk on the path easily, without defending yourself or watching being self-conscious all the time. That seem to be the freedom, particularly connected with what we are talking in terms of path. Is in other word the absence of ego, absence of self-consciousness, is the ultimate freedom. Absence of self-consciousness brings generosity. That you don't have to watch for any dangers or that you had to be careful you're not going too far or too slow. It's the confidence which is the freedom, rather than breaking from chain of imprisonment, exactly. But it's developing confidence and breaking psychological, internal imprisonment, which brings freedom naturally. It's another word of generosity.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER18: You would have to have though, I would think, both self-discipline and detachment in order for that freedom not to turn into simple self-indulgence. Is that not true?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well if you begin to indulge in self, if you have self-indulgence, then you also have to keep that self-indulgence in a safe situation, which automatically becomes self-conscious, cease to be freedom anyway.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138130/file/256018#t=2941.0,3058.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138130/file/256018/transcript/72344/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 22]\r\n\r\n\r\nCYRUS CRANE: You've spoken several times about space. And I remember you said that people wanted to fill up space with material objects in rooms, such as chairs and things. And I was wondering if, is filling up space-- if you fill up space with thoughts and, say, conversation. Because I'm sort of afraid of empty space and I notice that when I'm having empty space I begin to talk and [laughs] say things -- so I was wondering if you filled up empty space also with thoughts?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well space is everywhere, isn't it? If you have any kind of activities going on, that activity must have some space to move about. So space is anywhere, in any case everywhere all the time. The space is that-- or openness for that matter, is the room where creative process could develop. It's the possibilities of making creative process have to have space. It's like you can't grow plant without a room, but a larger room you have that much plant could develop.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138130/file/256018#t=3058.0,3152.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/138130/file/256018/transcript/72344/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 23]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER19: Rinpoche, in meditation, if one is plunged into like colors and diagrams and images, and there's no thinking, just like, in it -- would that be hallucination, illusion, or reality?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What do you think?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER19: I was just there. I don't know.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER19: I was just... there weren't any thoughts. I was--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I would say it's--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER19: It was all happening like [INAUDIBLE]--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I would say, yeah, I would say it is reality of illusion. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER19: Reality of illusion?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER19: Where does hallucination come into this then?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That *is* hallucination. [Laughter] But nothing wrong with that! Nothing wrong with it.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER19: Well no, it isn't-- I wasn't in wrong or right with it, [INAUDIBLE] --\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No, but it is so. It is hallucination and it is real and it is vision, as far as it goes. I mean that much we could look into, yeah. There's nothing really fixed, ultimate, one hundred percent or two hundred percent answer to reality, but reality is depend on each situations.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER19: Where does that fit into this whole bardo experience that this whole seminar is about?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well that *is* possibilities of building peak experience. Whereas in bardo experience in meditation practice that you begin to see some particular big experience or peak experience of breakthrough-type situation of something, then that is bardo experience.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER19: I didn't see anything, that was it. I-- there was no... It was just-- well I didn't think, okay I don't [INAUDIBLE] --\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well not necessarily in meditation situations but you know everyday life situations, that you thought you had-- if you think you had a big breakthrough of something. I mean if you--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER19: It didn't seem like anything.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Which one?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER19: The meditation experience.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You see bardo experience doesn't have to be only meditation experiences, but it could be everyday life experiences. If you had big argument with somebody which could be regarded your peak experiences, there will be that element of bardo in it, and that will be-- that could be said as bardo experiences.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER19: I felt the bardo-- there was a get-together at our cabin and quite a few people there and I really went through a bardo experience there. But in the meditation, that's what was so confusing [INAUDIBLE] it didn't seem like anything.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Not necessarily meditation, that's right, yes. 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