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All three marks help determine constant death and rebirth process in life. Sense of self, ego, also subject to death and rebirth, and so is ultimately insubstantial. Presents engaging philosophical argument as to why ego cannot exist. Alternative to holding onto ego is experiencing space that its nonexistence opens up. Presents Buddhist logic for how even ideas of impermanence and suffering, as well as egolessness, can be seen through as concepts. Energy released when pain and pleasure experienced without conceptual overlay; source of awakening. Q\u0026amp;A goes into further discussions about what remains when ego seen through.\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication"]},"value":{"en":["BOOK: Myth of Freedom","BOOK: Collected Works Vol 03"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication Details"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eBOOK: THE MYTH OF FREEDOM: Part 1: The Myth of Freedom: Egolessness\u003cbr\u003e-- from \u003ca href=\"https://www.shambhala.com/the-myth-of-freedom-and-the-way-of-meditation-1073.html\"\u003eShambhala Publications\u003c/a\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eBOOK: COLLECTED WORKS VOL 3 (in contained book MYTH OF FREEDOM)\u003cbr\u003e-- from \u003ca href=\"https://www.shambhala.com/the-collected-works-of-chogyam-trungpa-384.html\"\u003eShambhala Publications\u003c/a\u003e\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Transcription Credits"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eJan 02 2020 to Mar 09 2020 Transcribing: Leandra Ziegler Checking: Ella Milligan Final Proof: Anne Seidlitz Terminology Review: Matilda Perks Other Contributors: Lynn Friedman, Warner Dick\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003e© Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Year"]},"value":{"en":["1973"]}}],"summary":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eFinal talk extends discussion of three marks of existence in Buddhism to third \u0026ndash; egolessness. All three marks help determine constant death and rebirth process in life. Sense of self, ego, also subject to death and rebirth, and so is ultimately insubstantial. Presents engaging philosophical argument as to why ego cannot exist. Alternative to holding onto ego is experiencing space that its nonexistence opens up. Presents Buddhist logic for how even ideas of impermanence and suffering, as well as egolessness, can be seen through as concepts. Energy released when pain and pleasure experienced without conceptual overlay; source of awakening. Q\u0026amp;A goes into further discussions about what remains when ego seen through.\u003c/p\u003e"]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003e\u0026copy; Diana J. 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Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]\r\n\r\n\r\nARP SLATE: This is the Venerable Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, seminar on The Meaning of Death held at Tail of the Tiger, Vermont. This is talk number four, \"Egolessness,\" held March 25th, 1973. This is an ARP digital remaster made December, 2006.\r\n\r\n\r\nORIGINAL SLATE: The following talk is on the subject of \"Egolessness\" given at Tail of the Tiger March 25th, 1973. It is the fourth talk from a seminar on The Meaning of Death.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369#t=0.0,37.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369/transcript/92684/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: MAIN TALK]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Next obvious subject, or the process, is egolessness, that is connected with suffering and impermanence. When we talk about egoless, it's a question of seemingly that there is death and birth, suffering. But you can't even hold onto those as identity, way to prove our existence. That even birth is in itself is hollow, transparent. And suffering itself is transparent, as well as death is transparent as well. So there is a general situation in which that there is a non-substantiality.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369#t=37.0,142.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369/transcript/92684/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Non-substantiality has two possibilities. Either it is influx of flow, therefore it cannot be said as substant[ive], solid thing; or even the flow doesn't have a ground to flow, so therefore, whole thing is non-existence. We could say that this river is a non-substantial thing, because it flows and never remains in the same situation; constantly moving. But at the same time there's some basic credential as to that river does exist, it does constantly flow; therefore, it could become substant[ial] rather than non-substantial.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369#t=142.0,225.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369/transcript/92684/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There seem to be two types of egolessness, according to the framework or reference of teaching. The first one is a sense of *personal* experience, which perceives the egolessness. And the second one is the conceptual experience; even the perceiver doesn't exist. I suppose what we mean by egoless fundamentally, for one thing that there is things that depend on the relative notion. That there's no fixed entity because everything is in the relative plane. And the other one is the very notion of relativity needs a watcher to perceive it, confirm it. So there's another kind of dimension of relativity. The third-- three-dimension or the fourth dimension, whatever like to call it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369#t=225.0,362.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369/transcript/92684/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In other word, from a point of view of experiential level, that birth could exist, death could exist, and suffering could exist, because the whole thing is depend on non-existence. If there's non-existence then everything could exist. Otherwise, things become-- whole thing becomes *over*-emphasized. So that we cannot see, we cannot experience it. So seeming solidity, from that point of view, is expression of non-existence.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369#t=362.0,473.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369/transcript/92684/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It seems very difficult to describe in terms of pure logical conclusions, but let's say from experiential point of view that there is tremendous room to experience things. Allowing experience occurred, and it passed out. And that very room speaks of the movement that goes within that space, is also subject to that space. Which is equally another space.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369#t=473.0,537.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369/transcript/92684/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, from a general point of view we could say egolessness does exist because that it is pure fantasy, believing the mirage, and non-substantiality, that things do change, therefore ego doesn't exist. But even that statement seem to be quite feeble one. But then you're still hold onto the change, as the strength to hold onto something to hold onto. That perceptions become like a cinema show, that each frame in the film dies and next frame is being born, therefore you have a continual vision to hang onto, when you project it on the screen.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369#t=537.0,590.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369/transcript/92684/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So egolessness is not purely: \"It is discontinuity, therefore there is nothing to hang onto.\" But egolessness is that there is also non-existence of the discontinuity as well. In fact it doesn't really operate; the sense of operation is pure opinion, perception.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369#t=590.0,651.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369/transcript/92684/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So egolessness is not something purely involving to the oneness. But it's the realizing the separateness of things, the separateness between the birth and death and suffering and the pleasure. The very clarity, and the very precision is expression of non-substantial experience. Same mirage exist because there's non-existence. The cause and effect of mirage occurred because there was expectation, which created the atmosphere to be seen as mirage.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369#t=651.0,740.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369/transcript/92684/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, from the fundamental point of view, the egolessness is-- true experience of egolessness is absence of egolessness. I mean then you have no reference point at all. And whatever reference point you have has to become outrageous one, never thought of. That's seem to be the point because we never thought of such idea. That's why it is a virgin territory, it's true egoless. That even egolessness doesn't exist; there's nothing to hang onto.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369#t=740.0,832.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369/transcript/92684/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In other word, the problem is that once we have notion of egolessness, and then we have a notion of the pain, birth and death. Well we could easily justify ourselves by saying that: \"Pain doesn't exist, because there's no ego to experience pain. Birth and death doesn't exist because there's no one to experience or no one witness.\" That's kind of cheap and escapism; the philosophy of shunyata has been often distorted, by presenting the idea: \"There's no one to suffer so therefore who cares? If you suffer it must be your illusion.\" I mean that's purely opinion, speculation. You could read about, you can think about it. But when you actually suffer, then can you actually do it? Of course you can't do it, it's-- you can't do-- you can't exercise opinion. You can't demonstrate opinion.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369#t=832.0,937.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369/transcript/92684/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The absence of egolessness does not allow any of that language, or idea. The absence of egolessness brings pain to a much more experiential level. It becomes a *real* pain. It becomes a real birth and a real death. Because there's no philosophical paddings involved. So I suppose what we're saying is that the first stage of egolessness is concept, idea. And in order to transcend that opinion, idea, that we have to look ahead of that, to realize even egolessness is also another mask that we have to unmask.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369#t=937.0,1020.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369/transcript/92684/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The sense of constant chaos, and the sense of constant death and birth, the notion of fear and depression: all those mental activities can be experience completely, fully, utterly. And that seem to be the meaning of life, is to experience the energy occurrence, completely and fully. That there's no philosophical overlay, which made things to seasoned and eatable, presentable. Or emotional overtone, which made things loveable.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369#t=1020.0,1147.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369/transcript/92684/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Whatever goes on in the realm of mind, pain or pleasure and so forth, are not *interfered* with, but experienced in its fullest flavor. Whether it is sweet or sour does not make any differences. We often feel that we experience life too much. We like it or we hate it. We experience too much, and we search for some kind of a sedative as to that that sedative would provide us to numb our sense of graspingness, or experiencing too much. And that seem to be popular idea of spiritual experience, is to-- you don't experience pain or you don't experience the pleasure. Experiencing pain is regarded as neurosis, experience of pleasure is regarded as further seduction.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369#t=1147.0,1261.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369/transcript/92684/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So that we have, as you might call it, equanimity. [Laughs] That you don't react to the pain because you don't experience it, thanks to the teaching. You don't experience pleasure because you are not *moved* by it, as we call it, thanks to the teaching. At that point, it's equally same as that when you're locked up in a institution and you being drugged, everything made to be even, smooth, harmless that you don't do something extraordinary. And possibility is that if we have misunderstood the meaning of egolessness that could provide exactly the same kind of thing. Only of course, ideally, philosophically, rather than experientially. The mark of spiritual achievement is insensitivity, fail to react to good or bad. You're carefree, or careless, whatever you like to call it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369#t=1261.0,1429.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369/transcript/92684/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, as we see, the purpose of actually realizing, experiencing the *true* egolessness, is to experience life fully, completely. That pain hurts, pleasure makes us feel good. To the point of that it's unrealing-- it's becomes real because so unreal. It's too good to be true, the experience are so penetrating, so powerful. But that's what definitely decide-- definite means the idea of discriminating awareness wisdom: is that there's such intelligence, such accuracy, such sensitivity, that everything has been seen and felt and worked with. But of course, without judgment. Somehow the judgment does not come into the picture at all. It is not the judgment it makes us feel painful or pleasurable.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369#t=1429.0,1522.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369/transcript/92684/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So in other word, that when we call indulgency in our life, we think that we are having great deal of fun. But actually, we are not. That you are just purely seeing the silhouette of pain and pleasure. And we seemingly get a kick out of it. But from the egoless point of view, there's no mask because there's no defense -- it's something touching directly to your heart. Extreme pain, extreme pleasure becomes equally dance because they are so real and so penetrating.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369#t=1522.0,1585.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369/transcript/92684/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It seems that we are stretching our logic a little bit more than should be and [laughing] somewhat we are getting into tantra [laughs] and its expect-- experiences. But nevertheless, the notion of egolessness is one of the groundwork that developed that which extends from the hinayana to the mahayana and vajrayana as well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369#t=1585.0,1641.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369/transcript/92684/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Having experienced pain and pleasure in its own right, we have more intelligence to relate with our life, and maybe that is the idea of awake, we are woken up by the provocative situations, what goes on our life. That birth means real. Death means real. Pain means real. We are constantly woken up by those energies. Idea of defeat or conquering does not exist, but it's just *real* experience. That experience not necessarily mean that when you experience hatred that we go out and murder someone. But it's the experiencing the texture, the guts, or the real substance of how actually we *feel* things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369#t=1641.0,1741.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369/transcript/92684/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I suppose that that's one of the point of egolessness, provides the general background: to see impermanence, death; able to experience suffering, and also able to experience the egolessness itself. And the contents of life is impermanence, suffering and egolessness, the function or the energy.\r\n\r\n\r\nCould have discussions on that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369#t=1741.0,1821.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369/transcript/92684/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 1]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: When you were talking in the other seminar [Buddhadharma Without Credentials, NYC, March 1973] about the lion's roar, does that depend on the kind--\r\n\r\n\r\nAUDIENCE: We can't hear you.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: Does the lion's roar depend on a kind of honesty that in a sense, continues to throw you into pain in a certain way? But in doing that, it seems to release a lot of energy that can be very creative. And then the other question is, how does the lion's roar relate to the pain of separation in the sense of death, or that kind of-- that kind of death, not so much your own death but other people's death?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, seems that idea of experiencing death yourself or somebody else's death, is expression of loneliness, aloneness, sort of confirmation of that aloneness. And within that sense of aloneness, that one tend to develop strength because that you have no one to lean against, you have to stand on your own foot. And... what was the other one?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: About the lion's roar, how that concept relates to that and whether it-- the idea of the lion's roar entails a kind of honesty that seems to mean continually going into pain.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, it's a fearlessness, of experiencing pain is not regarded as a defeat, or mockery. But experiencing pain is confirmation of existence of energy. That it seems that the pain become another fuel to perpetuate lion's roar.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369#t=1821.0,2014.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369/transcript/92684/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 2]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Rinpoche, isn't there a problem that if we go into, you know, all these various joys and pleasurable experiences or painful experiences before we become egoless, we could sort of sink into a mire of self-indulgence and never go any farther? Isn't that possible?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It is possible, if you don't relate with the pleasure and the pain as it *is*, which means egoless experience. Otherwise, you know, indulgence means that practicing your aggression and passion, physical level.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: You have to have awareness of ev-- of what you're doing at all times.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, not only awareness but you have to have a sense of non-existence of yourself at the beginning.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: But if you are still a person who has ego, and you find yourself experiencing a great deal of pain, how do you work in that situation with your ego and with the pain that you're experiencing so that it doesn't become indulgent? How do you relate to the pain? Does it just become the basic--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: If you realize you have ego?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: I mean, you have ego. You--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: --know you're not completely egoless.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: And you are in a tremendously painful situation, or you're experiencing a great deal of physical pain, psychological pain, how do you relate to the pain? So--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well you see, experiencing to the pain is a way of seeing the non-existence of ego. That's the valuable--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: --so it becomes the next step.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --valuable path. If you relate with the pain in its own natural qualities, without any inhibition, then you begin to realize ego is redundant. So I think that-- I think that's the point, you know. You don't have to start with the egoless first, then experience pain. But pain guides you, is guideline to see the redundancy of ego. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369#t=2014.0,2169.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369/transcript/92684/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 3]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: Well who's the experiencer?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: Who is the experiencer? You said it's the experiencing of pain that shows the transparency of the ego, or something like that. But as though they were separate, the experiencer and the ego were separate.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I mean there is a general intelligence, which is unbias and sort of a basic being. And ego is neurosis of trying to make that into *your* territory, so that without ego doesn't mean to say that you don't have any feelings, any perceptions at all. In fact, ego is the-- that which prevents your clear perception. So there's still some existence.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: So there'd still be experience?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Still--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: [INAUDIBLE] .\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --experience yeah. But that is no problem, and we are not talking about psychological suicide, you know. Egoless does not mean to say that you have to *completely* non-exist. But there is degrees of non-existence.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: [INAUDIBLE]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369#t=2169.0,2259.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369/transcript/92684/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 4]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: I don't understand ego. Yesterday, I thought you said that there couldn't be any such thing as a weak ego. And yet, and you also talk about peeling off the layers of skin of an onion, or unmasking. So that it seems that the ego is-- starts out smaller and grows in the [INAUDIBLE] go down to...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. Well, I mean there is no such thing as ego, we could say that, sure. But, at the same time, the question of does ego exist, no, that had to be peeled off. The questions become very tough. I mean there may not be body, but there's layers and layers of skins.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369#t=2259.0,2318.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369/transcript/92684/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 5]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: Rinpoche, how does the basic intelligence relate to the teachings, the actual teachings? Or... we only need the teachings as long as there is an ego.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, the basic intelligence literally means that there is unintelligent element somewhere. So if there is no boundaries anymore that we don't even have to call it, \"basic intelligent.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369#t=2318.0,2354.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369/transcript/92684/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 6]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: When you speak of impermanence and death and birth and existence and non-existence and ego and egolessness, and how each in embodied in the other, it's-- it brings to my mind a hall of mirrors, where everything you see that you think is front of you is in back of you. And there's no room in a situation like that for anything extra, that I can see. It's sort of all encompassing, there's no--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: --there's no space in that. So what I want to know is how can there be-- if there's no space for anything extra, how can there be something extra, like ego, that gets in the way of clear perception?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well I think that had to be work out by yourself. And it couldn't be answered. Or if I try to answer it, it becomes another limitation. And that's a very good point to work with, that's a good stepping-stone to work towards, and from that. So you have to work out, yourself. I mean, there is a tremendous dichotomy, and who's fooling who, and cosmic joke, whatever.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369#t=2354.0,2455.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369/transcript/92684/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 7]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: I have a hard time distinguishing impermanence from egolessness in the descriptions you made. Egolessness is described as discontinuity too, a sense of discontinuity.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, it's a whole-- everything is the same thing, you don't have to have a separate compartments. That suffering equals to egolessness, egolessness equals to impermanence. It's talking about one aspect from a different angles.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: Well then, how do you distinguish in terms of angles even, between those two. It seems that of the three marks that are pain there, doesn't seem to be a feeling of confusion between that and the other two. But it seems very difficult to see what kind of a reason-- what's the reason for speaking of impermanence and egolessness, separating those two, from each other?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well impermanence is general sense of energy, is a changeable energy. That even energy of realizing egolessness is also subject to change.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: So impermanence is the perception of the energy background in--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Perception of energy that is constant changing.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: And then egolessness is?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Egolessness is that, without any background, without any watcher.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: So the egolessness is the space between the frames from the movie and maybe the movie itself is the impermanence.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Something like that, yeah. [Laughter] Yeah. You can draw a beautiful chart.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369#t=2455.0,2573.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369/transcript/92684/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 8]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: You just said that like everything begins the same. And yet, a while ago, you said that like egolessness is a discriminating awareness to be able to see birth as different from death, and good is different from evil. And I can't quite get this together.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I don't see any problems there.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: Well if everything is the same, and when you're egoless, at the same time you're discriminating everything as being separate: is there some kind of paradoxical situation?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: When everything is the same, in the realm of impermanence--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --the realm of pain, egolessness.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: Then how is everything--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I mean that's saying like it's-- when sun shines there's light everywhere.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: Hmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: But then again, when sun shines and radiates reflections on different things, could be separate. You know, you have a panoramic vision, which is a wide, open vision. Things seem to be same and equal, but at the same time, the equality is consist of details, which makes the equality.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369#t=2573.0,2670.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369/transcript/92684/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 9]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: What does it mean to work on something, or how do you go about working out something?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You don't question how to do it, but you just do it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369#t=2670.0,2682.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369/transcript/92684/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 10]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: Rinpoche, how-- you were talking last night about the pain of pain itself, and I've been thinking about how little during one's whole life one experiences actual intense physical pain. Most of one's life isn't that. And yet, when we experience it, it's very intense and we think, \"Well if I have to get over this, I certainly will be thankful for the rest of my life.\" And yet the minute it's gone, we really aren't thankful, we just take it for granted that everything is going to go along and we're going to get comfortable, and not suffer that kind of pain. Somehow this-- I don't know what this means but, we should be grateful we're not just suffering that kind of intense pain. And yet people--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, well, the thing is that we might feel grateful that we are not experiencing intense pain, as some others might experience. Which is precisely, you are thankful to the smaller pain, which keep us to keep in contact with us. You know, I mean, we are not talking about pain plus-- opposed to pleasure, but pain, greater pain opposed to smaller pain. But smaller pain is also all-pervading as well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369#t=2682.0,2788.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369/transcript/92684/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 11]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: But how do you work constructively with continuous intense physical pain?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You don't ask how.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: Umm--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Put it another way.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: I don't know, but it seems like how do work with--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [Laughs; laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: I just mean I want to find a way of working with it. [Laughter] Jesus Christ. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think you answered yourself--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: It seems to me like just the pain is one of those of things that would just continually smash you back into yourself.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: And if you want to let go of yourself and you have your physical pain around your neck all the time to remind you of it. And the object of the thing would be apparently to try and let go of yourself, somehow. And your body continually reminds you that you're there. You know, it seems to me, my question is: how to get off that dime? Or do you just reconcile yourself to it?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [Laughs] You just do it. I mean that's a experiential situation. There would be some kind of maybe framework or reference, how to shit and piss.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: The baby got toilet trained. But you don't instruct baby exactly how to *do* it. And the suggestions of \"potty,\" and \"this [laughter] is proper place to do\" -- then baby does it [laughter], intuitively.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: Then working with physical things like that.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well it's-- it had to be organic, you know, you can't be told how to do it. Once you begin to told how to do it, then you be given sedatives. You know, \"I can't fall asleep, how can I fall asleep?\" you ask a doctor. Doctor will say, \"Take this,\" and you might fall asleep.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369#t=2788.0,2918.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369/transcript/92684/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 12]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: Sometimes when I'm involved in what gets called \"creative endeavours,\" [laughter] I have a sense-- [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nAUDIENCE: What?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: --a sense of egolessness, a sense of it's just happened. I'm not really involved in it any more than it might be if you filled in the spaces and the numbers painting or something like that. And yet, after the experience, say with a tape recorder or a piece of paper if you've done it on paper, witnessing that, seeing that, after the fact, seems to become like a confirmation of \"I.\" Is it possible [laughs]... what's the pill?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What's the--?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: To have-- to be in the state where that does not become a confirmation of \"I\". Remains also egoless. Is it possible to be involved--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: --in *production* of goods, without having the goods become a confirmation that *I* did it.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think so, because it's question of how much you evaluate. Or--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: Putting--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --that--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: --a judgment on--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: --it.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: How much you want to become your territory, confirm your area. If there's no awareness of the others. One just does it. I mean that's one of the important approaches. Or like, you know, you go into a retreat. It's-- nobody's keeping track of you, you are just left alone to take care of yourself. If you meditated for ten hours or if you meditated for one second [laughter], that it's up to you.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: Hmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: And you don't have to please anybody or, you know fearful anybody particularly.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: Right.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: So it's again it's an expression of loneliness. If you realize that you are alone and you are lonely, then you have no one to communicate. Even you might be surrounded by friends, but still you are lonely, alone, so. It seem to be aloneness or the loneliness is a way of-- understanding the aloneness is way of seeing the situation without confirmation.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: This feels difficult sometimes, to maintain that sense of loneliness and maintain contact with people\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well you *can* contact with the people, because you are not trying to win them over you. You know, in any case you are lonely. It's a fundamental hopelessness, and you have nothing to lose so therefore you start giving, constantly. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: Hmm. [Trungpa Rinpoche laughs].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369#t=2918.0,3127.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369/transcript/92684/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 13]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: Rinpoche, is it possible then to-- I mean you talked about the [UNCLEAR: pains?]. Is it possible then to-- however, let's say that you feel the pain, but you don't simply want to get into a kind of destructive every minute-to-minute, or hour-to-hour, day-to-day destructiveness [INAUDIBLE] of what's going on. So therefore, is it necessarily a mask if you simply carry on, and if you feel the pain you don't try to shut out the pain? So that is not necessarily a good thing to do.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I don't think so, no. It's-- I mean it's very organic, you know it's not one point of view trying to overmi-- undermine the other point of view--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --but it's sort of exchange, that takes place constantly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369#t=3127.0,3179.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369/transcript/92684/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: CLOSING REMARKS]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: We might have to close as some people had to get back home at the city. [Laughter] Exciting time that we have chance to share our deaths, and pain. Come back again.\r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369#t=3179.0,3203.23918"}]},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369/transcript/92685","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["19730325VCTR2-Captions [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369/transcript/92685/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ARP SLATE: This is the\nVenerable Chogyam\nTrungpa Rinpoche,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369#t=0.51,4.24"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369/transcript/92685/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"seminar on The Meaning of Death\nheld at Tail\nof the Tiger, Vermont.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369#t=4.24,7.94"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369/transcript/92685/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This is talk number four,\n\"Egolessness,\"\nheld March 25th, 1973.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369#t=7.94,14.45"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369/transcript/92685/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This is an ARP digital remaster\nmade December, 2006.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369#t=14.45,19.73"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369/transcript/92685/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ORIGINAL SLATE: The following talk\nis on the subject\nof \"Egolessness\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369#t=19.73,22.95"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369/transcript/92685/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"given at Tail\nof the Tiger March 25th, 1973.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369#t=22.95,27.91"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369/transcript/92685/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It is the fourth talk\nfrom a seminar\non The Meaning of Death.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369#t=27.91,33.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369/transcript/92685/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Next obvious\nsubject,\nor the process, is egolessness,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369#t=37.37,48.56"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369/transcript/92685/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that is connected with\nsuffering and impermanence.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369#t=48.56,60.83"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369/transcript/92685/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When we talk about egoless,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369#t=69.01,73.52"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/168969/file/307369/transcript/92685/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"it's a question of 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