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Trungpa Rinpoche summarizes Buddhism as looking at oneself from an \"eye-level\" perspective, and \"making a relationship with what is,\" which includes working with neurosis and confusion. In Buddhism neurosis is \"a stepping-stone,\" which is worked with through the four noble truths. He describes meditation as a practical approach toward realizing one's primordial intelligence, or buddha nature. The role of the teacher is helping one realize this basic sanity. Stanislov Grof describes his discoveries and experiences of working with people using LSD in the psychoanalytic setting.  He presents at length his views of psychedelics as a path toward spiritual experience and self-understanding.  Sam Keen discusses the relationship between spirituality and political activism, as well as the use and sometimes mis-use of psychedelics, which were then a trend in America. Much of Keen's discussion is framed around the sometimes opposing paths of individual versus societal liberation, and also includes how to see beyond illusions to discover what makes a genuinely healthy society.\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication"]},"value":{"en":["UNPUBLISHED"]}},{"label":{"en":["Transcription Credits"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eJun 27 2022 to Nov 08 2022 Transcribing: Ella Milligan Checking: Anne Seidlitz Final Proof: Anne Seidlitz Other Contributors: Lynn Friedman, Warner Dick\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["© Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved. Not to be Distributed or Reproduced."]}},{"label":{"en":["Year"]},"value":{"en":["1977"]}}],"summary":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eChogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, Stanislav Grof, and Sam Keen discuss their views on spirituality and different approaches to working with the mind. Trungpa Rinpoche summarizes Buddhism as looking at oneself from an \"eye-level\" perspective, and \"making a relationship with what is,\" which includes working with neurosis and confusion. In Buddhism neurosis is \"a stepping-stone,\" which is worked with through the four noble truths. He describes meditation as a practical approach toward realizing one's primordial intelligence, or buddha nature. The role of the teacher is helping one realize this basic sanity. Stanislov Grof describes his discoveries and experiences of working with people using LSD in the psychoanalytic setting. \u0026nbsp;He presents at length his views of psychedelics as a path toward spiritual experience and self-understanding. \u0026nbsp;Sam Keen discusses the relationship between spirituality and political activism, as well as the use and sometimes mis-use of psychedelics, which were then a trend in America. Much of Keen's discussion is framed around the sometimes opposing paths of individual versus societal liberation, and also includes how to see beyond illusions to discover what makes a genuinely healthy society.\u003c/p\u003e"]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["© Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved. 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Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]\r\n\r\n\r\n[NOTE: Poor audio quality, many UNCLEAR or INAUDIBLE words in the transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\nCTI SLATE: This is the Venerable Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, panel discussion in the Open Secret series, given at Naropa Institute in Boulder, Colorado on February 7th, 1977. This is a CTI custom remaster made June, 2022.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707#t=0.0,22.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707/transcript/41139/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: INTRODUCTION]\r\n\r\n\r\nFACILITATOR: --will give an introductory ten minute statement, approaching our theme from whatever angle he wishes. That will be followed by a second half hour, in which the subject will be discussed among the four of us here, on the platform. And the final half hour we have we'll throw the floor open to questions and brief comments from the floor.\r\n\r\n\r\nVery briefly, the first speaker is Chogyam Trungpa, of the Kagyupa sect of Tibetan Buddhism; also he has had extensive training in the Nyingmapa tradition. He will be the first speaker. He will be followed by Stanislav Grof, who is director of psychiatric-- who's Chief of Psychiatric Research, at Maryland Psychiatric Research Center. And who has had more experience in the administration of LSD therapy by far than any other living human being, having monitored over 1,600 subjects, spending a minimum of five hours with each. And finally we will hear from Dr. Sam Keen, who has been associated most recently with Prescott College and PSYCHOLOGY TODAY. The gentlemen will proceed with their statements without further introduction. Mr. Trungpa, Rinpoche, would you--?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707#t=22.0,141.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707/transcript/41139/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: TRUNGPA RINPOCHE OPENING REMARKS]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It seems to be rather too brief to make an absolute conclusive statement, since particularly this view of Tibetan Buddhism is very wide and vast. But... I suppose we could attempt to do that, perhaps. Since the advancements we're seeing but also simplicity, and also could be seen in terms of evolutionary aspect of the teachings, in what we are getting at. And fundamentally that Buddhism as it's known, not only in Tibet, but also in other parts of the world -- traditional -- has developed its way of dealing with the human mind. So I suppose another way of looking at, that we are approaching religion not from in relation of God, or from a higher power, but an eye-level relationship with what is. And that what is could be approached all sorts of ways: confused ways or enlightened ways [INAUDIBLE]. But at the same time, it doesn't mean to say that unless a person has developed a higher state of understanding that he has no chance to seeing it. And somehow that we can include our neurosis our basic psychological hangups, so to speak, as part of the learning process. So Buddhism teaches of looking direct, eye-level to the situation, or dharma.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707#t=141.0,307.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707/transcript/41139/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And this kind-- in this case kind of sacredness is definitely a more amenable sacredness, rather than hierarchal structure at all. It's dealing with human neurosis. That neurosis in itself could act as stepping stone, as it's known in the four noble truths. That first truth is truth of suffering; dissatisfaction, and everything, is made as stepping stone. And having related-- having seen suffering and dissatisfaction and pain, as it is, then person comes to certain conclusions of the origin of that pain, as it is as well. And therefore, the goal is there, and the path is there. So that's how views the basic situation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707#t=307.0,368.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707/transcript/41139/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And somehow that analysis of any kind, or analytical mind cannot approach this subject, since analytical mind in itself is subject to relative support. And therefore the whole approach should be a practical one. Such as like practice of meditation, which is also not a therapy but it's exercise, way of getting into bright glimpse of what you are, glimpse of seeing what you are. Not imaginary one but real experience of yourself. And that also includes that question about the spirituality in terms of everyday life situation. And everyday life situation *also* could be seen as a part of the path. Since everyday life contains all the essence, and could be seen from that way as well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707#t=368.0,442.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707/transcript/41139/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so meditation practice continues on everyday life situation. But fundamentally it is being with basic neurosis; not regarding the basic neurosis as something solid and something very profound, and something of the villain that we never get rid of. But the question is does such thing as does basic neurosis exist or not? Or that who does actually experience this basic neurosis. And [INAUDIBLE] ourselves brings that we recognizes such thing as basic neurosis is pure fantasy. And this fantasy has no fixed ground. Because this fantasy has no fixed ground *and* this fantasy becomes attractive, seductive, colorful; therefore the tendency is to try to captivate this fantasy. In many cases that person are unwilling to give up any basic neurosis, simply just to want because it is part of the person's occupation. That basic neurosis helps to reassure me and myself and ego as I am. And basic neurosis could be manipulated in terms of pain and pleasure which also brings some false reality. And that false reality is have to be unmasked. That's the way of meditation is more an unlearning process rather than learning process.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707#t=442.0,566.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707/transcript/41139/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So fundamentally in the Buddhist tradition, that human beings not regarded as savior or born out of sin. But human beings have seen that they have tremendous basic potential. Not only potential but they *are* basically healthy. The question is acknowledging such health, which we don't really want to. And this breaking through, and acceptance of that kind of basic health, is a very wealthy, rich way of looking at it. So in other word it's spiritual anti-poverty. That we begin to regard ourselves as poor, insignificant, confused, on the basis of preoccupation of clinging onto something. That automatically brings psychological poverty, without inspiration, without faith. And therefore this notion of faith is based on realistic faith. Faith that is real to you. Faith that it doesn't have to be blind faith but actual realistic way of seeing the positive aspect of oneself.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707#t=566.0,652.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707/transcript/41139/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And often this could be seen in terms of therapeutic way of seeing oneself as a Buddhist way of being [INAUDIBLE] better. But in this case it's actual understanding of your basic primordial intelligence is there and tuning oneself into it, by way of opening oneself and unmasking or what is known as \"leap\" -- a leap into nowhere, without you [INAUDIBLE]. And this leap is not suicidal, in terms of basic instinct of intelligence, but it could be said that it's suicidal in terms of ego of clinging nature. And this notion of leap is also part of the traditional teachings of transmission. That meeting of two minds of the teacher and student can provide this particular state of mind where you can afford to leap, you can afford to be rich, you can afford to be open. And persons who come to conclusion of that [INAUDIBLE] earth, it is there already. So one takes is just purely acknowledging that you are wealthy person. Fundamentally you are enriched with all sorts of attributes, as known as like, the wakened state of mind is within you, and buddha nature or basic sanity or whatever you'd like to call it, is there, it's just rather acknowledging it. Beyond the fantasies and notions of all kinds, that we find it's tremendously attractive and seductive. But we just be more adventurous in a sense, of stepping out of that, and going into it.\r\n\r\n\r\nAnd well, I couldn't say very much further. I suppose we have to have discussions on it. But that's fundamentally, very crudely put I'm afraid, and very rough, but that's how I see it, presenting the traditions of our lineage. Thank you. \r\n\r\n\r\n[Applause]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707#t=652.0,823.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707/transcript/41139/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: STANISLAV GROF OPENING REMARKS]\r\n\r\n\r\nSTANISLAV GROF: I listened with great interest to Chogyam Trungpa, when he related the path to spiritual liberation to humor of neurosis, and it somehow characterizes my own approach to this particular topic, because I started as a clinical psychiatrist using psychedelic drugs for treatment of neurosis, and somewhere along the way, I was more and more discovering the spiritual dimensions in them, in building the basic personality structures, which I was absolutely not aware of before. I came here today to learn about the nature of these experiences. I would very much like to hear the opinion of other persons on the panel, about how genuine, how authentic, these experiences are, when they are triggered by chemical means.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707#t=823.0,908.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707/transcript/41139/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Let me just briefly mention several things from the psychedelic research as we started developing in the past. In the early experiments when psychedelic drugs were used, everybody who was working in the field was struck by the tremendous intra-individual as well as inter-individual variability when you give the same drug, the same dosage, was given to different people. Or if the same drug and the same dosage was given to repeatedly to the same person. The phenomena encountered seemed to cover a tremendously wide range. As you know some of the persons taking psychedelic drugs can have ecstatic experiences, other people can have psycho-dynamic experiences; it very much fits the Freudian framework. Occasionally you can see persons who have only somatic experiences. You can see persons going into a state that resembles endogenous psychosis. And finally, even in the early experiments, without any structuring, there was always a small number, a small percentage of the experimental persons who had a very profound mystical, religious experience, that seemed to be very difficult to distinguish from the experiences that occur spontaneously, that have been described in practically all the countries, and all through the centuries. Unfortunately this phenomenon seemed to be unpredictable, because very difficult to say in advance in whom and under what circumstances this particular experience will happen.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707#t=908.0,997.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707/transcript/41139/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Later on, as the clinical experience accumulated, there was one of the branches of LSD psychotherapy, so-called \"psychedelic treatment,\" that has introduced specific variables, specific structuring, of the preparation and of the set and setting, that seems to increase the probability of the [INAUDIBLE] [UNCLEAR: specificity?]. But still in this procedure as we know it now, is to a certain extent hit and miss. It occurs in certain persons, it doesn't occur in others, and we don't understand the-- all the variables enough.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707#t=997.0,1080.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707/transcript/41139/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My own approach was from a different point of view, as I mentioned before. We started from more or less psychoanalytic- oriented psychotherapy, using LSD and some other psychedelics as a [INAUDIBLE]. Now this procedure only for a certain time stayed within the framework of psychoanalysis or some other analytic-oriented therapies. But sooner or later, practically all the patients to our great surprise were leaving framework which we [INAUDIBLE WORDS], and were going into types of experiences for which we for a while didn't have any framework, until we discovered that they exactly fitted some of the ancient descriptions, as we know them from temple mysteries, mystery religions, and various holy scriptures of the world.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707#t=1080.0,1147.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707/transcript/41139/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It appears that going through the death-rebirth experience is in all human experience, not only in the sense that it has been been reported with tremendous constancy all through the centuries, but also in regard to the constancy with which these phenomena are occurring in our everyday clinical practice.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707#t=1147.0,1166.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707/transcript/41139/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"After the patients have been through the experience of death and rebirth which then [INAUDIBLE] or whole sequence of sessions, we observed some further phenomena, for which also contemporary psychiatry doesn't have any framework, maybe with the relative exception of Carl Jung. Patients describing encounters with demonic appearances, encounters with various peaceful deities. People reporting experiences of classical Jungian archetypes, experiencing elements of the noetic and racist-- I mean racial unconscious. And then finally, this tremendous constancy in advanced sessions of the psycho [INAUDIBLE] treatment, of the LSD treatment, reports about past life experiences; People reporting sequences from other centuries, from other countries, and still calling them their own memory.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707#t=1166.0,1247.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707/transcript/41139/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Now I would like to conclude by mentioning, as I-- at present I see the relation between the psychedelics and the religious experiences. In the first place, we know that there have been many religions in the past where psychedelic substances were actually used as part of the religious service. We know of what role the psychedelics played in the religions of Central America. We know that's-- there are certain shamanic religions. There are religions for example in Siberia, [INAUDIBLE] using-- both using mushrooms. We've had reports from the Nordic Edda where psychedelics were ritually used; there have been books recently claiming that they found indications of psychedelic use in the Viking world. And finally Doctor Wasson, who is the one who brought psilocybin, the secret of the sacred mushrooms, to the West, has worked with a group of Indologists; and they claimed that they have identified \"soma\", which play such an important role in the Vedic religion. And some of the Indologists in this group have expressed a hypothesis that possibly the origin of the Vedic religion was somehow facilitated by the use of soma. And that it wasn't until the Aryans moved to southern India where there was lack of these mushrooms that they developed various yogas as an alternative, as another alternative.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707#t=1247.0,1358.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707/transcript/41139/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So in certain religions the psychedelics *seem* to have played a very important role. What I would be more interested in is to whether psychedelics *could* be used within the framework of various religions as a catalyst, amplifier, as an escalator of spiritual practice.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707#t=1358.0,1384.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707/transcript/41139/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Here I would like to mention that over the years we were trying to find out what the specific chemical effects are of psychedelic drugs. For example in regards to LSD, we haven't yet found-- able to find a single symptom that *has* to occur as a result of the administration of the drug. The symptom seems to cover a whole possible range of human experience, but none of these experiences seems to have-- seems to be compulsory or inherent. In other words, on the one hand these drugs appear to be unspecific amplifiers, catalysts that just bring whatever is seeking human unconscious to the surface. And then what we do with it, how we use it, seems to depend on very complicated variables of set and setting, for instance, that we use for aesthetic purposes, therapeutic purposes, or spiritual purposes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707#t=1384.0,1440.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707/transcript/41139/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So I would like to conclude this by just stating this, we have failed to find any drug-specific effects of LSD, [INAUDIBLE] as an amplifier of the processes in human unconscious. On the other hand if we study the religious history we find that many of the methods used for eliciting religious experiences, have involved many powerful physiological effects. If somebody stays for forty-two days in the desert, starving, sleep-deprived, exposed to high temperatures; somebody who uses very dramatic breathing, whether he was withholding breath or hyperventilating, somebody who maintains physical postures, all these things have very definite physiological concomitants.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707#t=1440.0,1495.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707/transcript/41139/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Phenomenologically we haven't been able to distinguish between the religious experience occurring in the sessions and instances of spontaneous mysticism. I would like to mention Walter Pahnke who has done a lot of work in this field, and remind you of his Good Friday Experiment which showed a tremendous correlation between these both kinds of experiences. So as far as the scientific approach is concerned it seems that we are not able to distinguish between these two categories. And I think it's up to spiritual authorities, religious teachers, theologists, to tell us whether or not these experiences are less genuine, or less valuable, just because they involve the use of chemicals. \r\n\r\n\r\n[Applause]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707#t=1495.0,1565.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707/transcript/41139/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: SAM KEEN OPENING REMARKS]\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: I'm by nature a [UNCLEAR: perverse?] -- or a philosopher, it's the same thing. Obviously it begs the question, what's the other side of the issue? In a conference like this, I very much want to ask the question: are humanistic psychologists talking about liberation at all? Or are they talking within the context of captivity, of ways to keep the prison well-ordered and comfortable? And specifically I'd like to talk about traditions of liberation and the meaning of liberation. Because it should be clear to us that there are two very dominant interpretations of the meaning of liberation, which are competing in the modern world. One of them is represented nicely by what my two colleagues have said, and what is on the cover of your brochure for this conference: \"power to the person.\" It's a concept of power that belongs to individual, the person, to one entity, that therefore liberation is primarily a matter of private interest. The other concept of course is the notion that power belongs to the people, and that liberation is a corporate concept and a public concept. And you have in these two competing views of the nature of liberation, two entirely different views of man, two different views of what human society is, two different views of what action is, two different views of the paths of liberation and the ends of liberation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707#t=1565.0,1661.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707/transcript/41139/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In the one, the one which humanistic psychologists are most comfortable with, liberation is primarily a private act. Whereas for those who are-- belong to the political left, liberation is an act which is a public act. The problem to those who find themselves primarily within the humanistic tradition is that the problem is \"maya\", it's illusion, or as we speak of in psychological terms, \"neurosis.\" And neurosis is merely an illusion that we are held captive by forces in our past, which have control over us, and the problem of liberation is the problem of liberation from the illusion that we are controlled by forces in the past. Which can be called in religious language \"karma\", or \"compulsions\" in psychological language. And the problem is always how do we get release from these illusions; that we're controlled, the illusions of captivity. And since the problem is a problem in consciousness, the solution must be a solution which is in consciousness. It's the solution of the dissolving of the illusions.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707#t=1661.0,1729.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707/transcript/41139/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Now I think that one of the difficult-- one of the ways in which I increasingly feel uncomfortable with my colleagues in the humanistic movement, is that I begin to detect a certain kind of affinity between, let's say, a Billy Graham and Esalen. [Laughter] The notion that salvation or liberation is a private matter. That it takes place primarily within the interior. This of course is based on-- and then of course if you liberate enough hearts of men, then you'll eventually liberate society. That liberation takes place primarily within the individual and then spread to the corporation. And this is based upon the notion that consciousness creates structures, and not vice versa.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707#t=1729.0,1779.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707/transcript/41139/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The whole basis of a Marxist critique is exactly the opposite: the structures create consciousness. That if you want to change human beings, if you want to liberate them, you have to liberate first of all, the structures of society which create the individual consciousness. The dilemma for the person on the New Left is that is consciousness is created by repressive structures of society, so any way which you're going to liberate people involves liberating and destroying the present structures in order that individual consciousness can be recreated by new corporate structures. And the problem is -- we talked this when we-- in the movement that most of us are involved in, the modes of liberation are modes of interiority, new forms of pietism: meditation, yoga, imagery, new forms of imagery, or the [INAUDIBLE] experience, which is itself an extremely privatistic kind of experience.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707#t=1779.0,1841.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707/transcript/41139/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And the real question is, to what degree is the amplification of this kind of experience, to what degree is that in-- of eventuating an in-group form of political activity? What's the relationship between meditation and what's happening in Vietnam? Or between recreating the structures that will allow a just society. Or [INAUDIBLE], or to put it another way, to what degree are the modes of liberation -- which we are unfolding in the humanistic movement -- modes of liberation which are accessible only to an elite class? And to that degree, what may we say when we find out that our paths of liberation are finally based upon a society which is unjust, and a society which is dependent upon the repression of those who have less privileges and less power?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707#t=1841.0,1917.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707/transcript/41139/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We've got-- you've got two different then-- two different models of what liberation is. Is it-- does it demand primarily political action or does it demand primarily the consti-- the reconstitution of the individual personal psyche? Questions we have to address ourselves to. And I don't know the answers to these questions -- they haunt me. It haunts me to know that I am a privileged, middle-class intellectual, who is able to battle in the interior life, but in a world in which there is much weeping and there is much sorrow and there is much-- there are many who do not-- for whom liberation would taste much more like brown bread. And these are questions that must always be raised, political questions always to be raised. And I don't-- as I said I don't know the answer. I have only one-- I have one swell. And that's that-- I'm equally uncomfortable I should say when I'm dealing with my friends on the New Left, who are calling that \"tearing down structures of society, getting in free.\" You know, I keep wondering what the hell will they replace them with, what structures do they mean, and *what* structures create what kinds of consciousness?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707#t=1917.0,1997.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707/transcript/41139/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And as I think about liberation concretely myself, I think of the fact that man is not a liberated being. That he is *never* a liberated being. To be human is to be non-liberated. Now take the the word \"illusion.\" Words are strange things, that. The word \"liberation\" is a meaningful word only because of the opposite word. And the opposite word of course is \"captivity.\" So when we're talking about human liberation, we're always talking about a kind of liberation which *is* in the context of captivity. Yes, there may be a form of personal liberation, but it's always in the context of a corporate captivity. Seems to me that the concept of liberation makes sense only when there's a kind of dissonance between liberation and captivity. And where I understand that, no matter what degree, no matter what the degree of my own liberation from my own neuroses, that I still stand within a society which is unjust.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707#t=1997.0,2062.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707/transcript/41139/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And this means that the authentic path for human liberation is always going to be one in which-- which understands what we could call \"the absurdity of the human condition.\" That human beings are animated by a desire for freedom, although they live perennially within the context of captivity, They're animated by desire for justice, and they live continually in the context of injustice. And somehow, it seems to me the trick of remaining human is the trick of trying to balance a sense of contentment, a sense of satisfaction, with a sense of outrage. A sense that in some way I have to be a homesteader in my own life; I have to own a certain territory. I have to say, \"Yes, I have an entity, I have a self. This is me. And this self can be free.\" I have to proclaim my own freedom. And there's another sense in which I have to say, \"Oh I'm eternally a gypsy. I'm eternally wandering. I don't have identity, I'm constantly in the middle of change.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707#t=2062.0,2140.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707/transcript/41139/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And it's this kind of dialectic, which does not cut the nerve, which seems to be the authentic way to think about the relationship between liberation and captivity. Yes, I'm a private person, I have an inside; but also a public person, and an outside. And there's a continual tension, and this means that any form, any doctrine of liberation which promises that we are going to escape from ambiguity is really a snare and illusion. There is no escape from ambiguity. We tranquilize ourselves by calling all the disturbances \"maya.\" Or we could promise that there will be eventually a society in which there will no longer be alienation, and when we can give all our hopes to some future political utopia which will erase all of the dissonance in my end. And each one of these is an illusion. There are the personalistic, pietistic illusions of the Right, and the public, political illusions of the Left, and neither one of them lead towards liberation as far as I can see. Somehow to be human is to live in a dissonance. To live in a tension between the inside and the outside, between the private and the public, between being liberated and being eternally a captive. \r\n\r\n\r\n[Applause]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707#t=2140.0,2244.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707/transcript/41139/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: PANEL DISCUSSION]\r\n\r\n\r\nFACILITATOR: Now let's see if we can rearrange the microphones here so that all four voices can be heard simultaneously.\r\n\r\n\r\nFACILITATOR:[INAUDIBLE WORDS] questions, reactions, comments here at the table. Who would like to begin? I might just ask if any one of the three of you, in listening to the other two, found something that he'd like to pick up now?\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: Yeah, I would.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707#t=2244.0,2312.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707/transcript/41139/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"STANISLAV GROF: [INAUDIBLE] --the transformation of society. And I have the feeling that somewhere along the line those two [INAUDIBLE WORDS] would have specific views about liberation. By focusing on the external [INAUDIBLE] of liberation rather than talking about the spiritual liberation. \r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: Well I--\r\n\r\n\r\nSTANISLAV GROF: I think, you know, if you can generalize from many of the great religions of the world, probably we'll even find out that the liberation consist of changes of attitude rather than transformation of the world. And if there is any practical recipe of how you should approach the problems in the world, it would be doing things in your immediate environment, if you know what I mean. It wouldn't be far-reaching plans for changing the society as such, but it would be certain precepts about how to approach the immediate circle of your friends and your relatives to be approached in everyday reality.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707#t=2312.0,2401.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707/transcript/41139/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SAM KEEN: Well that sure well makes me profoundly uncomfortable, because in the first place I think \"free man\" is one who is profoundly a nuisance to a society. Number one. And I think that's why the whole concept of spiritual liberation is being sort of anathema. I think that a free mind is an impertinence. I think the imagination of the free person is not one of-- that is continues to remain inferior, and *not* propose changes. And I think the whole notion of some kind of a split between imagination and action is something that I don't buy. I believe that free imagination is one which is enacted, which is embodied, and is going to be embodied in different ways in which one moves in society. And therefore unless you believe the society in which we're living as a free society, then the liberated man is going to be a *damned* nuisance. And that's why [INAUDIBLE WORDS] into spirituality. I mean because it's-- I mean Marx is so often right -- it's a cop out, it's a cop out from change. And nothing makes change except attitudes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707#t=2401.0,2471.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707/transcript/41139/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FACILITATOR: Well that's the dilemma from *this* side. If you approach it on a Marxist side, and a disillusioned Marxist, is that nothing ever gets straightened out in history. Myself, as I think about this problem -- you asked [INAUDIBLE] about the attitude and the traditions, and it seems to me we're in a very different historical situation from when the traditions were formed. Society was a given, like nature. There was no talk of its structures being changed. And so this wasn't a problem. Now, when we have the power, and we see that social structures are *not* God-given, ingrained in nature, that we have responsibility [INAUDIBLE]. But there's one way that's a sense of it can be different from the past; but there's no way in which there seems to be that the past has a kind of wisdom on this. And I find this in the Indian tradition, in the notion of \"caste\" -- not the way it's worked out sociologically but in the basic idea. It seems to me one of the-- as I listen to you, what you're talking about, might be seen as a difference between the Brahmin sense of reality and the \"kshatriyas\" or the warrior, the [INAUDIBLE] sense of reality: people are different in their sense of where it's at. Where someone's social reality *is* reality. And that's where the action is, that's where things count. For others, the world goes on, and you know things change, but the more they change the more they remain the same. And what really matters is the inner stance of the individual.\r\n\r\n\r\nNow, I have a [INAUDIBLE] self. I think that the way psychologists, and religious persons, although they-- we go into this because of the pre-eminence of the inner trip, as where reality lies. If we felt otherwise we'd be in politics or we'd be administrators. Now, this shouldn't be a council of complacency, because it's still the question of privilege, and I think the religious traditions do uphold that, you know, \"we've always given to the poor and widows,\" and so on, and that does not change [INAUDIBLE] structures but it is a powerful again, privilege. And that shouldn't be a [INAUDIBLE].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707#t=2471.0,2640.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707/transcript/41139/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SAM KEEN: Well let me put it at a concrete level. One of the spiritual techniques, which is very very old, and very modern, is that dealing with breathing. We know for instance that all neuroses, all sickness, and all those blocks in breathing, that anxiety, and all the blocks in breathing, the body armor as Reich said. If you go back to the yogic tradition they've always held that the act of breathing is a place where the conscious and the unconscious, and the brahmin and the atman, are combined. So the old yogic disciplines that have to do with getting into the breathing and feeling oneself of \"being breathed\" are really very close to the heart of the spiritual traditions of that particular religious form, as they have been fairly important in the humanistic psychology movement, you know, we always tell people, \"Okay breathe, breathe, go on through it, go on through it, breathe, breathe into it.\"\r\n\r\n\r\nNow, there *is* here, obviously, a-- something in the body itself, there is a kind of spirituality in the body, in the breathing itself. And there are certain techniques healing that. But, now we can do all we want in terms of teaching people the psychological and the spiritual significance of breathing, and the ways of breathing, and the fact is they're still breathing air in which the carbon monoxide content is as high as it's ever been. So I think there are now, the reality principle itself says that the religious trip insofar as it's an interior trip is becoming increasingly a luxury. That we may breathe you know with magnificent rhythms, and be breathing carbon monoxide, at higher rates. And the only way that one can deal with this is-- are political ways. And then that's just a-- that's an analogy, [INAUDIBLE] not as a... but I think it's an apt analogy. [Laughter; applause]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707#t=2640.0,2786.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707/transcript/41139/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FACILITATOR: Well I'll [INAUDIBLE WORDS] one more [INAUDIBLE] on this. Rather than religion being a luxury, it seems to me when society is going to pieces, then religion may become even more a necessity. Mainly, where does one find the courage to proceed in the face of meaningless and meaninglessness in how...? I really don't-- it's shaping up as a kind of debate, and I guess I see no point of privilege for either approach; both are important. I think *if* Sam raises a call to politicize humanistic psychology... I was leading into that, to resist that call. [Laughs] But I'm not sure; I think we should be politically conscious but whether we do everything--\r\n\r\n\r\n[GAP IN AUDIO]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707#t=2786.0,2858.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707/transcript/41139/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"STANISLAV GROF: [INAUDIBLE] mentioned [UNCLEAR: monasteries?] emerging from the work with psychedelics, as been known in over centuries within religious frameworks, and it's a question of the basic human values. We have seen that people who experience the unity, the oneness, of oneness, they emerge with a very specific set of values, which involves-- it's very similar to a [INAUDIBLE] set of values. A genuine sense for beauty, for justice, good. Things that we had explained in the past in the psychoanalytic framework as \"reaction formations,\" some \"opposite instinctual\" tendencies, all of a sudden on an ego level emerges as genuinely intrinsic human qualities; which is a question of whether or not you are able to detect the particular area in yourself. And I believe that any of these forms that are built from the old value system are basically doomed to failure. As [INAUDIBLE] mentioned in the past there have been many revolutions, many upheavals. And since there wasn't a dramatic change of values, they had all ended up in a very, very similar place that proceeded the particular revolution.\r\n\r\n\r\nSo I think one-- at least one thing that we could learn from religious systems or from psychedelic work is the emphasis on the really different values. Which could be for example built into our educational system. If you look at the education there is a very little emphasis on things like art, appreciation of nature. If you look at history, what you will be taught is that it's a [INAUDIBLE], the history of the 20th century will be Stalin and Hitler, and this will be the highlights. I don't know how it is here, but in Europe, you can go through courses and basically never hear of the [INAUDIBLE] religious teachers of the East. And philosophy began by the ancient Greece, you know, [INAUDIBLE WORDS] as well.\r\n\r\n\r\nI know only one experiment from research, Confucian experiment, where a system of values very similar to the one that's has been emerging now from psychedelic work, as it exists [INAUDIBLE], and it was 800 years, and this system was guiding China. And I'm sure [INAUDIBLE] could tell us more about it. But all the other systems, [INAUDIBLE] systems that I know about have utilized a system of values that still creep out in this society. And I think that any attempts guided by this particularly [INAUDIBLE], or guided by [INAUDIBLE] inevitably end up troublesome, you can see that. [Applause]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707#t=2858.0,3077.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707/transcript/41139/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It seems there's, I think there is some misunderstanding, what does it mean religion when you say \"religion.\" I think that particular terminology hasn't been defined. Do we talk about-- are you talking about religion purely tradition, and [INAUDIBLE] of [INAUDIBLE], something that's been developed already. Or religion in the sense of functional, sense of daily situation. And I feel that perhaps be good to clear, define that, and make more concrete. Because often the usage of these terms and these concepts makes us more confusing than clarifies it. Even if you have the notion of concepts and ideas, words. And when you begin to use them [INAUDIBLE] that confuse by itself rather than clarify.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707#t=3077.0,3146.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707/transcript/41139/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: AUDIENCE QUESTION 1]\r\n\r\n\r\nFACILITATOR: I think we'll open to the floor momentarily but let me just ask whether there's anything at the moment that anybody else up here would like to say before that [INAUDIBLE], sort of. All right, then [INAUDIBLE]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707#t=3146.0,3182.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707/transcript/41139/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER3: I thought of a practical application of the discussion, especially in what Sam has been saying. The description of what happened with Tim Leary, who took what Sam was saying to a practical application [INAUDIBLE] for it, still run around the country playing spiritual. Would the people here who know him, [UNCLEAR: I guess there's two or three of you?], discuss what you think about in his present situation, by telling people to take LSD and see God and ending up in jail in Switzerland.\r\n\r\n\r\nFACILITATOR: And the question led on to, what some who know Tim Leary think about-- what they feel about his advocating LSD and then ending up in prison in Switzerland. Is that right?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: [INAUDIBLE]\r\n\r\n\r\nFACILITATOR: Any takers?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707#t=3182.0,3269.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707/transcript/41139/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"STANISLAV GROF: I think it's very difficult to discuss the issue of LSD by pointing to things that happened-- or what happened to persons who are into LSD, because as I mentioned before it just seems to be an amplifier of the human unconscious. It's a tool, and it depends very much on what you do with it, under what circumstances you use it.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: But that isn't what I meant by it, Stan. I meant that Dick Alpert can still run around this country, and nobody's mad at him. And he's advocating spirituality and calling himself Baba Ram Dass, and nobody is down on his ass, all right. And Tim just keeps on going to jail. And I was suggesting that your point-- or Sam's point about the spirituality, keeping you out of trouble or not being a social-political movement, but what's amplified by it which is what I was trying to get to.\r\n\r\n\r\nSTANISLAV GROF: I think that it has just amplified whatever was, you know, their basic underlying personality structure.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: [INAUDIBLE WORDS] [UNCLEAR: my first acid trip was at Tim Leary's home] [INAUDIBLE], and he wasn't political until very-- in many revolutionary [INAUDIBLE] and those features that have landed him in jail I think were there simply in [UNCLEAR: harm's way?] before acid [INAUDIBLE].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707#t=3269.0,3406.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707/transcript/41139/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: AUDIENCE QUESTION 2]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: Yeah, I'd like to know, I guess, to what you were sort of talking about the political question that became [INAUDIBLE] two other people on the panel didn't [INAUDIBLE] for instance, something that may have to do with political reasons, and I guess the question is Tim Leary for me brings to mind sort of what my feeling that there are definite political consequences to trying to look after your own spiritual liberation in our country, and I'd like to hear something from some panelists about [INAUDIBLE] a country for political reasons, and I feel it's not sort of the direction that I see America going.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [Speaking softly] What's the question on?\r\n\r\n\r\nFACILITATOR: [whispering] Yes, the relation between [INAUDIBLE WORDS].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707#t=3406.0,3466.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707/transcript/41139/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I think that's the perfect example about when what we mean by \"religion\", \"spirituality.\" That they find something interesting, something intellectually valid, so to speak, or philosophically valid, and we pick up that particular concept and idea. And somehow the idea has not been [UNCLEAR: said?] right thoroughly [UNCLEAR: about?] whole basic being. So the idea of [INAUDIBLE] between yourself and the public, that [INAUDIBLE WORDS] idea fits into practicality or theology or different frame of mind. So quite likelihood is that danger of a person getting carried away. If a person get carried away spiritually or politically, and injured himself, hurt himself, that is-- the world is speaking, spirituality is speaking.\r\n\r\n\r\nThere's basic relationship, basic situation that you have to work with; either you working politically or spiritually, you have to work with some basic pattern in the life. If a person has failed to see the basic pattern and purely dwelling on certain concepts and ideas and getting carried away, then asking for accidents. And I see that from that point of view politics are-- and religions are personally and publicly they're very close. So it's a human problem, it's human nature. And it seems-- the whole question seems to bring together notion of religion and spirituality are the same thing, from that point of view. It's failing to see the human situation and the basic situation of where it's at, and where society is. Why a person is get completely carried away or intoxicated by certain concepts and ideas, and begin to run wild from that point of view, then there's automatically some kind of punishment gradually happens. Not because-- I wouldn't say necessarily from the Christian's point of view of \"act of God\" or anything like that, but purely from almost you could say biological point of view, that when you have action you always have reaction. That's what exactly mean by karma. [Applause]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707#t=3466.0,3571.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707/transcript/41139/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"STANISLAV GROF: My training in Czechoslovakia wasn't in any way related to the fact that I had professional freedom using LSD. Although it was a very special way of using it. You were allowed to use just about any psychedelic drugs as long as you presented it as \"chemotherapy.\" In other words you give certain drugs to certain types of patients, and you see or don't see movement in a certain percentage of these patients. What we couldn't do, in order to survive, we couldn't mention that some of the patients were regressing into childhood, and they were having Freudian-type experiences. Because at that time psychoanalysis was banned, it was very dangerous to be labeled \"psychoanalyst.\" Psychoanalytic books were taken from library, and they were available only for Marxists who wanted to write some critiques of psychoanalysis.\r\n\r\n\r\nAnd then for obvious reasons you were not able to mention that the LSD experience had mystical or religious dimensions, because the leading philosophy of course is the dialectical materialism which is very strictly anti-religious. And just mentioning that, you know, these are possibly facilitate religious experiences would have automatically meant end of this kind of work, so-- and we knew it, and the system was so explicit that it was obvious that just mentioning one of these two things, Freud or religion, would have been the end. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSo with these reservations, we had actually more freedom than you have at the present time in experimenting in this country. And whereas you're not limited in terms of what dosage, how many times, to what kind of persons, as long as we didn't publicize where it takes people and the experiences they had. And, you know, strangely enough in this country where both of these are viewed as acceptable -- psychoanalysis being the still one of the dominant strengths in psychology, and religion being accepted -- there are all kinds of other restrictions that make it difficult.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707#t=3571.0,3720.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707/transcript/41139/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: AUDIENCE QUESTION 3]\r\n\r\n\r\nFACILITATOR: Yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: What function of spiritual experience, a spiritual situation-- what is the function of the spiritual experience?\r\n\r\n\r\nFACILITATOR: What is the function of the spiritual experience?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: Yes. Not just [INAUDIBLE] of liberation.\r\n\r\n\r\nFACILITATOR: Oh, I see. The relation of experience specifically *to* liberation.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: Spiritual experience.\r\n\r\n\r\nFACILITATOR: Yeah, spiritual experience *to* spiritual liberation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707#t=3720.0,3784.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707/transcript/41139/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, function seems to be is not necessarily to maintain spiritual liberation as such. But the function of so-called spiritual liberation is to step out of any arranged pattern of anything, even including spirituality itself. So that I suppose you could say the function is transcend any kind of limitation. When the person is completely liberated, so to speak, there's differences between understanding and absorption. Understanding means that you have complete command of the subject as the subject. But absorption is that you are one with what you know, completely; so you are *being* in it. And once the person able to being in it -- his experience completely one with the whole system, whole makeup, whole being -- then person begin to transcend such as like \"spirituality\" or whatever is may be. So person begin to get extremely wide vision of the whole thing. So, I suppose the function of spiritual liberation is to get out of spiritual trip. [Laughter; applause]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707#t=3784.0,3895.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707/transcript/41139/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: AUDIENCE QUESTION 4]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: I would like to ask what are your experiences with the LSD? What changes did it produce in you? I mean, with the 1600 people going through it, how did it affect you personally?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707#t=3895.0,3919.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707/transcript/41139/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"STANISLAV GROF: You mean experience with other people? [Laughter] I think when I started this kind of work I could have called myself more a psychoanalyst. I had five years of training with [UNCLEAR: Doctor Dosuzkov?], the former president of the Psychoanalytic Association in Czechoslovakia, probably more corporate than [INAUDIBLE]. So that many of the things that were written in psychoanalytic books I just took for granted. In '56 I had an LSD experience myself, and it triggered a lot of interest, I saw the... or suspected the potential that the experience could have. And then I combined those two interests, but still pursuing the more psychoanalytic direction. In other words for me the LSD work was just drug-assisted psychoanalysis. I felt that some kind of acceleration or intensification of the process was needed; I didn't question the basic nature of the process. But I somehow was distressed by the number of years that I saw patients spending in therapy. Isn't infrequent to see somebody eight, ten, eighteen, twenty-five years without particular results.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707#t=3919.0,4032.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707/transcript/41139/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So I wanted to use this as an encounter, psychoanalysis. And this influenced me to the point that in the early sessions, I would have an armchair which would be behind the patient's head and I would be sitting-- the patient would be lying on the couch, and I expected them to get free associations and interpretations that I would used to in psychoanalysis. And the first sessions I thought absolutely ridiculous. [Laughter] The patients were going into dramatic experience; there was no question that they were suffering tremendously. They were regressing into childhood, and I would sit there and not even decently answer the questions. So I quietly moved the chair, I was sitting by the couch, and later in the sessions I was sitting usually on the edge of the couch. [Laughter] And the next thing was the question of support. You are not supposed to touch your patients. Now again you see tremendously profound experiences that they don't-- they would be reaching for help. And after a while you say the hell with it, you know. Probably-- and you give this kind of support [INAUDIBLE] the changes in the analytic framework itself, much more kind of genuine interaction, much more immediate support.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707#t=4032.0,4125.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707/transcript/41139/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then of course, in the later stages there was tremendous intellectual transformation and just more and more experiences that the patients were having, didn't fit the Freudian framework. As I mentioned before, were more and more going into the experiences that are known from [INAUDIBLE WORDS] Eastern religions and so on. More into the [INAUDIBLE] Reichian and then into the Jungian realm. So of course this comes from patients, it's everyday comes from patients, these observations, producing complete intellectual change. And to what extent certain personality changes within were due to observations or to me [INAUDIBLE WORDS] I couldn't say. But I think the most profound experiences in the clinical sense were in the change of the approach in the [INAUDIBLE] and in the intellectual sense, tremendous shift from psychodynamic, from the interpersonal to the transpersonal, spiritual union.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: [INAUDIBLE WORDS].\r\n\r\n\r\nSTANISLAV GROF: To a certain extent.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707#t=4125.0,4213.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707/transcript/41139/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: AUDIENCE QUESTION 5]\r\n\r\n\r\nFACILITATOR: All right.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: I'd like to know [INAUDIBLE] for those who had these spiritual [INAUDIBLE] for instance, [INAUDIBLE] and [INAUDIBLE WORDS] the experience of [INAUDIBLE] they did [INAUDIBLE WORDS] that they did and to [INAUDIBLE WORDS] better than psychoanalysis?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707#t=4213.0,4248.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707/transcript/41139/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"STANISLAV GROF: Well first of all the patients whom we had chosen into this particular experiment, were more [INAUDIBLE] beyond the indications of psychoanalysis; those were people who have been treated for years, with psychotherapy, group psychotherapy-- all kinds of psychopharmacological means, antidepressants, tranquilizers and so on. Some of them are patients who just, you know, couldn't be treated by psychoanalysis; some of them were drug addicts, some of them were alcoholics, or just the regular attendance of the psychoanalytic interviews wouldn't be possible.\r\n\r\n\r\nAs far as the outcome goes, I have seen patients going through the procedure of repeated LSD sessions with only minor changes. In other words not everybody made some kind of dramatic progress. I don't think it hurt anybody. Everybody benefitted to a certain extent. But it ranged from patients who ever since didn't have any-- or haven't had any problems, and didn't need out-patient or in-patient treatment, for five or six years since this was repeated; to people who went through some kind of considerable level of improvement; to patients who didn't show anything dramatic. And my feeling was that it coincided -- I don't know how to what extent it also relation was [INAUDIBLE] -- it seemed to coincide with an experience of cosmic unity; experience of transcending one's own boundaries, feeling one with other people's nature, with the universe, a kind of tension-free, floating cosmic experience that was maintained for hours sometimes, sometimes to a certain extent persisted as an obstacle.\r\n\r\n\r\nSo it seems that people who have this kind of experience had the most dramatic improvement. Because there were others who were-- for whatever reasons these experiences didn't occur. I don't know to what extent it was their personality, the nature of their disorder, to what extent it was my personal limitation, or limitations of the technique to an extent. You know some more effective approach could be developed, so that at least patients could be reached. Most of the patients were very severe obsessive-compulsive patients. People who even after a number of sessions were not able to go, let go into the experience; they were afraid to come from their unconscious. We didn't find any way to facilitate their development.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707#t=4248.0,4433.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707/transcript/41139/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: AUDIENCE QUESTION 6]\r\n\r\n\r\nFACILITATOR: Yes?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: What does Grof think about the statements of [INAUDIBLE] on the use of LSD--\r\n\r\n\r\nFACILITATOR: Of what?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: [INAUDIBLE] statements of [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nFACILITATOR: [INAUDIBLE WORDS].\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: [INAUDIBLE] about on the use of LSD state?\r\n\r\n\r\nSTANISLAV GROF: I read the book but, you know, not in detail.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: Any comments on that, reactions to that?\r\n\r\n\r\nSTANISLAV GROF: Well I think--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: [INAUDIBLE WORDS].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707#t=4433.0,4444.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707/transcript/41139/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"STANISLAV GROF: Meher Baba's attitude to LSD? I think that's-- it's a misunderstanding. I think it's based on the idea that you swallow a pill, that you have a profound religious experience, very easy without any problems, without any thought that you're [INAUDIBLE]. And this is far from what I have seen in my patients or in the-- so all the training sessions that we had with, you know, people who didn't have the serious emotional problems. First of all as I mentioned somebody can have sixty sessions and *never* have a religious experience; in other words there's something in the personality, unless we built something into the set and setting which has prevented this kind of experience. But I think that even in the religious tradition, you hear sometimes notions about something like being an \"old soul\". Somebody who for some reason is closer to the spiritual experience than other people, who has deeper insight into his unconscious and so on.\r\n\r\n\r\nSo not everybody in long series of LSD sessions will necessarily have-- have that spiritual experiences. Those who have it usually don't consider it cheap -- like, you know, God came through the pill. Very frequently you see a sequence where somebody, before he has a unitive experience, has several hours of hell. And several hours of hell in a [INAUDIBLE] session feels like centuries. In other words there's an enormous amount of suffering by which you pay for the experience that you have. So I don't see it as a problem of \"God in a pill\"; I see it as a facilitating agent that in certain persons under certain circumstances can bring about a religious experience. But I don't remember a single person who feels that this was cheap in any way, that it was automatic, just like swallowing the pill, that you're going into a religious experience.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707#t=4444.0,4551.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707/transcript/41139/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: AUDIENCE QUESTION 7]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: Mr. Keen, you were talking about the balancing [INAUDIBLE WORDS] between those kind of spiritual political [INAUDIBLE]. How do you relate [INAUDIBLE WORDS]?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707#t=4551.0,4572.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707/transcript/41139/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SAM KEEN: Yeah, that's kind of hard, because there's no question that the new mode of consciousness which is abroad is largely related to psychedelics and the use of psychedelics. For the first time we have a sizable number of people who have direct mystical experience, direct unitive experience, who are experienced that there is a dimension of ecstasy that you can devise that they don't tell you about in the third grade primer, or in the college courses in psychology as far as I [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nAnd I think it's true that the psychedelic experience has created a kind of momentum, a kind of political momentum. But you have this kind of experience-- you come out of it and there is a-- that the distinction between reality and illusion is no longer quite so clear. What you called reality seems more like illusion, and what you call illusion seems like reality. There's a kind of intensity of the psychedelic experience, I think *gives* a political impression. Essentially you can come of the-- if they have any sensitivity to the world they say, \"My god, the world is fucked! You know, it doesn't have to *be* this way! Now why is it this way? Now let's get out. There are more important things to do; there's another set of values, there are different modes of perception. Different ways to see things; it doesn't have to be this way.\" I mean the whole natural type of vision. The romance of Indian lore and all of that, it comes out. So that's one thing. It does seem to [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nBut the problem is that it also gives a kind of [INAUDIBLE]. You know, isn't it a strange thing that so many people who were behind the resistance to Vietnam, who were for more lenient laws about grass and about acid, things of this kind, who have had this kind of vision. And they created a kind of political movement which created McCarthy, which created the resignation of Johnson, which created the kinds of forces which created a pool of public opinion which is finally forcing our [INAUDIBLE] President Mr. Nixon to get us out of Vietnam.\r\n\r\n\r\nAnd suddenly this very group of people come with a sense of humanness. Where are the grou-- where are the left-- the people who were on the left a year ago -- a *year* ago! The communes are breaking up, they're going back into straight society. The sense of disillusion is great. And meanwhile I can't understand why... Or I *do* think I understand why -- I think it's largely because of the way in which psychedelics also-- there's a way in which it's too much ecstasy too soon. And the unitive vision may be-- well I would say this: the unitive vision can be very dangerous for people under thirty. [Laughter; applause] It's too damn soon. And I think psychedelics should be reserved for people over thirty. If you need it before thirty there's something the matter with you. And in this society you probably *do* need it after thirty, at least to help you along. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nBut you know, the vision of utopia, the vision of how it can be, is beautiful -- if you know, if you know if you have to work day by day by day to stay at a beautiful place. If you don't it can be debilitating. So I'm-- I think the effects of psychedelics have been to create this kind of pressure, and also to create a kind of impatience that says, \"Utopia now, freedom now, down with all structures now.\" And an impatience.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707#t=4572.0,4854.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707/transcript/41139/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: AUDIENCE QUESTION 8]\r\n\r\n\r\nFACILITATOR: Yes?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: I was curious about, Mr. Grof, you keep referring to the real LSD reaching the sort of religious experience. Have you personally experimented with another way or setting which a person could achieve this, in non-chemical aspect, or are you still applying this research to the chemical path?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707#t=4854.0,4883.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707/transcript/41139/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"STANISLAV GROF: While I've still be working with psychedelic drugs, you know, I have found a new appreciation of the techniques which allow me to reach that kind of experience without using the chemical. And I think psychedelic drugs that taught me to appreciate that kind of experience, which I probably wouldn't have been able to do without it. Without seeing how it works, how it influences people, especially patients, what it can do for neurotic problems. I also think that it's a very important tool for understanding the human personality, probably more effective than many others. Once we get the new understanding, then we can probably look for alternative approaches to, you know, reach the same goal.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707#t=4883.0,4950.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707/transcript/41139/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: AUDIENCE QUESTION 9]\r\n\r\n\r\nFACILITATOR: It's quarter of four, and another session will be beginning in fifteen minutes. I think we'll recognize one last hand that I saw. Do you want to ask your question?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: I was wondering what Dr. Keen would think of the bodhisattva tradition in Buddhism, in which, as I understand it, someone gets two enlightenment approaches: the first enlightenment, and then it goes back to [INAUDIBLE WORDS] some kind of enlightenment [INAUDIBLE WORDS].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707#t=4950.0,4978.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707/transcript/41139/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SAM KEEN: Question about the bodhisattva tradition -- yeah, I believe that both things, or I believe it's possible-- I believe everyone-- I believe the aim of liberation is to become a bodhisattva. To understand that *my* liberation really involves the liberation of all people. And that the answer to the second one is yes, I think you have to do a crazy function there. I think that's why that it's always the idiots who are the agents of social change. \r\n\r\n\r\nFools -- clap! \r\n\r\n\r\n[Applause]\r\n\r\n\r\nSAM KEEN: Question here?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: [INAUDIBLE] in the world?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707#t=4978.0,5014.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707/transcript/41139/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SAM KEEN: How do idiots function in the world? They change the world by refusing to play the game in terms of the old rules. That's what an idiot is; I mean it's someone who sees different sets of rules.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707#t=5014.0,5029.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707/transcript/41139/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: CLOSING REMARKS]\r\n\r\n\r\nFACILITATOR: Well on behalf of all of us on--\r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707#t=5029.0,5034.65794"}]},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707/transcript/41140","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["19770207VCTR1-Captions [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1943/collection_resources/76156/file/168707/transcript/41140/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"CTI SLATE: This is the Venerable\nChogyam Trungpa 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