{"@context":"http://iiif.io/api/presentation/3/context.json","id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/iiif/t72794259h/manifest","type":"Manifest","label":{"en":["1972-01-11: Interview: WNET TV NYC: Free Time (with Allen Ginsberg)"]},"logo":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/209/original/cti-library-logo-blue-text.png?1672724952","metadata":[{"label":{"en":["Date"]},"value":{"en":["1972-01-11"]}},{"label":{"en":["Format"]},"value":{"en":["Audio"]}},{"label":{"en":["Location"]},"value":{"en":["New York City, New York, USA"]}},{"label":{"en":["Event Type"]},"value":{"en":["Interview"]}},{"label":{"en":["Seminar or Series Title"]},"value":{"en":["\u003ca href=\"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/playlists/310/show\"\u003eInterviews\u003c/a\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Talk Title"]},"value":{"en":["WNET TV NYC: Free Time (with Allen Ginsberg)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Theme"]},"value":{"en":["Spirituality in America","Poetry and Poetics"]}},{"label":{"en":["Summary"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eAn historic interview on Allen Ginsberg's public television show \"Free Time\", in which Trungpa Rinpoche gave substantive, practical explanations about Buddhism and meditation, how they can apply to everyday life in America. Emphasizes throughout meditation as not an escape, but working directly with confusion and neurosis as \"stepping stones.\" Describes meditation practice, and role of the guru in working with students on what comes up. Presents the four noble truths \"for the first time on television.\" Buddhist approach to political action, with input from Living Theater founders Julian Beck and Judith Malina. Student reads section from BORN IN TIBET, and Allen Ginsberg reads one of Trungpa Rinpoche's poems. Student from Tail of the Tiger in Vermont describes meditation center activities. In Q\u0026amp;A, telephone questions include one about whether meditation can help \"mental illness\", relationship of it to psychotherapy. Trungpa Rinpoche replies that working with neurosis is \"one of the basic principles of Buddha's teaching,\" and the \"cure\" is enlightenment.\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication"]},"value":{"en":["UNPUBLISHED"]}},{"label":{"en":["Transcription Credits"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eMay 16 2020 to Aug 21 2020 Transcribing: Ella Milligan Checking: Sophie Perks Final Proof: Anne Seidlitz Terminology Review: Matilda Perks Other Contributors: Lynn Friedman, Warner Dick\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003e© Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Year"]},"value":{"en":["1972"]}}],"summary":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eAn historic interview on Allen Ginsberg's public television show \"Free Time\", in which Trungpa Rinpoche gave substantive, practical explanations about Buddhism and meditation, how they can apply to everyday life in America. Emphasizes throughout meditation as not an escape, but working directly with confusion and neurosis as \"stepping stones.\" Describes meditation practice, and role of the guru in working with students on what comes up. Presents the four noble truths \"for the first time on television.\" Buddhist approach to political action, with input from Living Theater founders Julian Beck and Judith Malina. Student reads section from BORN IN TIBET, and Allen Ginsberg reads one of Trungpa Rinpoche's poems. Student from Tail of the Tiger in Vermont describes meditation center activities. In Q\u0026amp;A, telephone questions include one about whether meditation can help \"mental illness\", relationship of it to psychotherapy. Trungpa Rinpoche replies that working with neurosis is \"one of the basic principles of Buddha's teaching,\" and the \"cure\" is enlightenment.\u003c/p\u003e"]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003e\u0026copy; Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced\u003c/p\u003e"]}},"provider":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["Chogyam Trungpa Digital Library"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["Chogyam Trungpa Digital Library"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/209/original/cti-library-logo-blue-text.png?1672724952","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/175/582/small/Logo-Audio-Red.png?1677896768","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 1 - 19720111VCTR1-Audio-Prod-CTIAutoRmstr-Access.mp3"]},"duration":5207.2751,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/175/582/small/Logo-Audio-Red.png?1677896768","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582/content/1/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-cti.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/175/582/original/19720111VCTR1-Audio-Prod-CTIAutoRmstr-Access.mp3?1677896330","type":"Audio","format":"audio/mpeg","duration":5207.2751,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582/transcript/41940","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["19720111VCTR1-Transcript-Timed [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582/transcript/41940/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[19720111VCTR1 - Interview - NYC - WNET TV Show Free Time]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]\r\n\r\n\r\nARP SLATE: This is the Venerable Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, interview on the television show called Free Time, hosted by Allen Ginsberg. This was held in New York City on January the 11th, 1972. This is an ARP digital remaster made July 2006.\r\n\r\n\r\n[BOOKMARK: INTRODUCTION]\r\n\r\n\r\nANNOUNCER: --which are the material not ordinarily heard on television.\r\n\r\n\r\n[Incidental music]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Tibetan ritual music]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582#t=0.0,71.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582/transcript/41940/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ALLEN GINSBERG: Charming evening. I'm Allen Ginsberg, my name. The program is called Free Time. The gentleman on my left is Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, Tibetan Buddhist teacher and lama. He'll be talking about Buddhism, turning the wheel of the doctrine, answering questions, talking with friends in the audience and some of his students. Also, you at home can phone in questions, if you have any. Which can be answered later on in the program by Rinpoche. Rinpoche, his name. \"Rinpoche\" meaning \"precious one.\" So if you have any questions to ask of the precious one, phone in to 581-4310, 581-4310.\r\n\r\n\r\nChogyam Trungpa Rinpoche was born in Kham in East Tibet, in 1939. Discovered at the age of fourteen months to be the eleventh incarnation of Trungpa Tulku. \"Tulku\" means \"reincarnation.\" And was raised to become the abbot of Surmang Monasteries. Surmang.\r\n\r\n\r\nHe began his study of philosophy at the age of eight, and meditation studies at the age of nine. In his late teens he completed his training as a meditation teacher, and received the Khenpo degree, which is to say equivalent to Doctor of Divinity. When he was twenty, during Chinese reorganization of Tibet, [laughter] cut off from his teachers, Rinpoche took flight to India where he lived for four years, and served, by appointment of His Holiness the Dalai Lama, as Spiritual Advisor to the Young Lama's Home School, a school in India which finished and trained young lamas in English and foreign languages, to face the Western world and bring the dharma to the West.\r\n\r\n\r\nHe received a Spalding Scholarship to Oxford in England, where he studied psychology and western culture for three years, and also founded the Samye Ling monastery in Scotland. Three years later Rinpoche traveled to the United States where he founded the Tail of the Tiger Meditation Center in Vermont, and the Karma Dzong monastery meditation center in Boulder, Colorado, in the Rockies, so much like the Himalayas. Rinpoche is married and has a child. He has written three books. The autobiographical BORN IN TIBET; a book of lectures, thoughts MEDITATION IN ACTION; and MUDRA, a book of poetry, to be issued by the West Coast mystical publishers Shambhala this winter.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582#t=71.0,273.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582/transcript/41940/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: INTERVIEW PART 1]\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: So, sir, first question that I have is what is meditation, and how can it be practiced here in America particularly?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Excuse me. It seems that America needs a great deal of adjusting their pattern of life, which is not particularly enforced, but their lifestyle reinforced naturally: their extreme materialistic, and orientation to sophisticated physical materialistic pleasure, yearning towards it. So therefore, meditation could be worked on purely trying to find the basic meaning of what is the beyond, basic principle of their life. Beyond their aim and object and goal, as a spiritual or psychological, physical materialistic conflict as such.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582#t=273.0,347.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582/transcript/41940/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: INTERVIEW PART 2]\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Well, for people like living everyday man in the street life, what form of meditation can be practiced here? Or how does it relate to everybody's business, work, everyday preoccupations? Although some people are preoccupied going to recording studios making music, other people are preoccupied going to shipyards and riveting bolts to big iron plates. What have they to do with meditation and what does that mean to them?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582#t=347.0,375.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582/transcript/41940/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well the meditation practice seem to be purely based on facing the situation of life they're facing, and relate with that, rather than trying to change their lifestyle, into certain particular doctrine or dogma as such. And particularly trying to relate with their confusion, their speed, their chaos, as such. And relate with that particular disorganization, and accept those chaos and confusion is a way of a stepping stone of practicing meditation.\r\n\r\n\r\nAnd fundamentally, the chaos and the confusion that we have faced in this country, in America particularly, is not regarded as something obscene or bad, at all. Just the particular instrument that which brought Buddhism in this country at the *beginning*.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: So we shouldn't be ashamed of that at all. We should start those situation as starting point, and start from that point of view.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582#t=375.0,433.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582/transcript/41940/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: INTERVIEW PART 3]\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Well, for instance I sit an hour a day, in the morning. That's my form of meditation, a Shaivite Hindu, with a mantra here. So usually when I get up, I stay one hour fixed in one place, quiet like-- almost like taking opium. Like an hour of complete withdrawal and silence. Do you think that's an appropriate form of meditation here in America?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I doubt very much, because we have been produced-- we have been given rather, so many colorful interpretations, that America is *extremely* rich, as far as spiritual information is concerned.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: America had managed to develop its own supermarket of spiritual message of all kinds, that you can think of in the whole of the world. But at the same time, that problem is the having bought these things, how we going to cook those things we found in the supermarket into a home environment? And that seem to be the problem. So, in this situation that particular practice that been laid upon us is not regarded as being the only answer. But the answer is something fundamentally that we tend to think automatically: \"me\" and \"my\" relationship, \"me\" and \"my\" aggression, \"me\" and \"my\" passion. There's a constant confrontation, and non-acceptance of that confrontation, it seem to be the biggest problem of all. That we still think in terms of a battle.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Hmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Spirituality is the one hand, the materialism is another hand. We're trying to fight against each other. So as long as spirituality is related with a battleground, and we are not getting actual the true message of it, at all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582#t=433.0,544.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582/transcript/41940/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: INTERVIEW PART 4]\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Well, how would that relate to politics for instance?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, it seems naturally because politics again is a battleground, that we trying to gain, overpower something else. So therefore if it is related purely with the kind of common sense, fundamental common sense, that acceptance of basic ground of what we are, and trying to relate with the situation of our existence, as a way of relating with the whole phenomenal world. That politics, so whatever is may be, economics, whatever is may be, becomes natural situation, automatically. That you don't try to-- you don't have to try to shut off one situation and trying to raise another situation at all, the whole thing becomes panoramic situation. If there is something that we have to relate with the situation negatively, it happens negatively; if we have to relate with the positively, happens positively. So we don't have to discriminate as such, but we see the vision as it is precisely, clearly, sharply.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582#t=544.0,609.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582/transcript/41940/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: INTERVIEW PART 5]\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: I've heard you use that phrase \"panoramic\" before, \"panoramic consciousness.\" What does that mean to you? Because--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well--\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: --that's like a really interesting phrase--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --well there seem to be just a basic open mind. If you have open mind you begin to see the black and whiteness of the each details, spontaneously. Otherwise you can't have open vision. Bird's-eye view of the whole thing, at all.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: But do you have-- do you sit in the state of continuous panoramic consciousness, as a result of your education and training?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's very difficult to answer actually, because education is based on relationship situation of interdependent things, that your education, you might say, is quite different from my education, so we can't really set fixed pattern as such, education as such.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Because our education seem to be based on entire different perspective. But at the same time that if education based on interdependent situation which does not relate with our landmarks anymore, but it is whole vision of openness, then education becomes-- begin to become very sophisticated, very opening.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582#t=609.0,686.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582/transcript/41940/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: INTERVIEW PART 6]\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Am I asking you the right questions?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Probably not. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: I mean I [laughter], because actually are we-- because it's almost as if like I'm asking you abstract questions and I was-- what do you want to be asked most of all?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well--\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Now, what am I missing now?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I'm not sure. There seem to be that we are conscious of this particular show.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: And--\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: It's a difficulty, always.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --and you become professional.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Yeah, much different.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: And--\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Well begin with a long list of questions to ask. [Laughs; laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: -- [UNCLEAR: so much professional?]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582#t=686.0,716.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582/transcript/41940/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: INTERVIEW PART 7]\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: But also you were thinking last night that there were certain things you wanted to be asked. And one was: what is the difference between the meditation you're talking about, and practicing, and kundalini yoga, the other forms of yoga? And also: what's the difference between your form of meditation and regular therapy, or self-hypnosis?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, it seem to be it isn't that much of that I am teaching in my style of meditation as such. It is a meditation that been known in my lineage, my tradition, as my background teaching situation present itself. So my style of meditation is purely that I'm acting as a spokesman of the lineage of tradition.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: What is your lineage called, for those who don't know, what is that lineage?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: So. Kagyupa tradition--\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: In-- in--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --of contemplative tradition of Tibetan Buddhism.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582#t=716.0,772.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582/transcript/41940/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: INTERVIEW PART 8]\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: And what is the meditation practice in the Kagyupa tradition?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Purely related with phenomenal world as learning process of meditation.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: That you don't sit cross-legged, silent, or eyes open?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: If that presents situation like that. If the sitting presents situation as such, you do so, because you do need a certain amount of discipline. But on the other hand, you have to be free from that fixed ideology, as such.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: A fixed-- free from a ritualized sitting.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Ritualist. And the idea of that we've been talking about the self hypnosis and other things like that, is-- in the-- basically in the West that idea of meditation is completely distorted, it seems, if I may so. [Laughter] That the idea of meditation as such, is that impose new things on your mind, so your mind have some fixed idea to dwell on. And you trying to cultivate that, as though you're concentrating your ingrown toenail.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582#t=772.0,838.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582/transcript/41940/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ALLEN GINSBERG: Yeah, or try to use a mantra--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Trying to evolve that into gigantic HUM missile.[Laughter]. From this point of view of Buddhist way of looking at meditation practice is you don't concentrate inward, or centralize internally as such, but life situation is the style of meditation practice as a whole. That you're trying to relate with passion, aggression, emotions, whatever happens, in life situation, and trying to find a space between those situations, and relate with that. Of course we could say that there is practice of meditation as such. You sit, and you put yourself into composure of meditative posture, which is necessary, necessary because that kind of situation slows down you, stop speeding, of constant running of our mind's duplicity, mind's confusions.\r\n\r\n\r\nSo, what happens is that just trying to see your situation as though you are open person, you're open space person. Open space, you are in the state of open space, beyond those crowded situations put into it. Meditation is experiencing, or allowing your basic intendency[sic] to develop, before the complications are put into your state of mind. In a sense this practice could be said as extremely well thought, in terms of psychologically, that you don't impose anything on you, but you try to grow your basic intendency [sic].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582#t=838.0,947.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582/transcript/41940/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: INTERVIEW PART 9]\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Hmm. There is the possibility right now of interrupting this discourse, to go back, flash back into our panoramic consciousness, to have one of your disciples read some autobiographical prose of yours, describing your earliest approaches to meditation and your early training. If we have permission to do that. Jeremy Hayward, who is here, can give that reading.\r\n\r\n\r\nJeremy, you've been living at Tail of the Tiger for a year now.\r\n\r\n\r\nJEREMY HAYWARD: Six months.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Half a year. And you've been with Rinpoche about a year?\r\n\r\n\r\nJEREMY HAYWARD: For a year.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: And previously you were teaching physics.\r\n\r\n\r\nJEREMY HAYWARD: Yes, in high school.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: In-- in England.\r\n\r\n\r\nJEREMY HAYWARD: In America.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: In America.\r\n\r\n\r\nJEREMY HAYWARD: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582#t=947.0,988.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582/transcript/41940/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: READING FROM BORN IN TIBET]\r\n\r\n\r\nJEREMY HAYWARD: [Reading from BORN IN TIBET] \r\n\r\n\r\n\"My birthplace was a small settlement on a high plateau of Northeastern Tibet. Above it, the celebrated mountain Pago-punsum rises perpendicularly to more than 18,000 feet, and is often called the \"Pillar of the Sky.\" It looks like a tall spire; its mighty crest towers under perpetual snows, glittering in the sunshine.\r\n\r\n\r\nThe name of the place was Geje. It stands in a bare treeless country without even bushes, but grass covered. My father, Yeshe Dargye owned a little land there. He met his future wife Tungtso Drolma when she was working for her relations, looking after the yaks and milking the females, which are called \"dris.\"\r\n\r\n\r\nAfter the death in 1938 of the Tenth Trungpa tulku, the supreme abbot of Surmang, the monks at once sent a representative to His Holiness Gyalwa Karmapa, the head of the Karma Kagyu school, whose monastery lay near Lhasa. Their envoy had to inform him of the death of the last abbot, and ask if he had had any indication where his reincarnation would be found. They begged him to let them know at once should he obtain a vision.\r\n\r\n\r\nA vision had in fact come, to Gyalwa Karmapa, who dictated a letter, saying that the reincarnation of the Tenth Trungpa tulku has been born in a village five days journey northwards from Surmang. Its name sounds like two words, \"ge\" and \"de\". There is a family there with two children; the son is the reincarnation.\r\n\r\n\r\nA second sealed letter was received at the monastery. It said that Gyalwa Karmapa had had a second and much clearer vision. \"The door of the family's dwelling place faces south. They own a big red dog. The father's name is Yeshe Dargye, and the mother's Chung and Tzo. The son who is nearly a year old is the Trungpa Tulku.\"\r\n\r\n\r\nOne senior monk and two others set off immediately to find me. After five days' journey they reach the village of Geje. They called on every family and made a thorough search. In one tent they found a baby boy who had a sister and, as had been written in Gyalwa Karmapa's letter, the entrance faced South and there was a red dog. They looked closely at the baby, for as soon as he had seen them in the distance he waved his little hand and broke into smiles as they came in.\r\n\r\n\r\nThe news was taken to Gyalwa Karmapa who was sure that I, the child of Tungtso Drolma was the Eleventh Trungpa Tulku.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582#t=988.0,1143.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582/transcript/41940/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"All the monks from Surmang and many from neighboring monasteries assembled some five miles distance from Dutsi Tel, to form a procession to escort me. On that day the valley was misty and a rainbow appeared in the sky, forming an arch over the procession. At the monastery everything was in festival. I have been told that though I was only thirteen months old at the time, I immediately recognized those monks in whom the Tenth Trungpa Tulku had placed confidence.\r\n\r\n\r\nA few days later I was put through a test. Pairs of several objects were put before me, and in each case I picked out the one that had belonged to the Tenth Trungpa Tulku. Now the monks were certain that I was the incarnation.\r\n\r\n\r\nMy enthronement took place in the large assembly hall. A lion throne, \"seng tri\", on which all tulkus are traditionally enthroned, stood at the further end of the hall on the dais. Rolpa Dorje Rinpoche stood at the foot of the throne, and my secretary handed me to him. He then mounted the dais and sat down my lap-- sat down in my place, holding me on his lap.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582#t=1143.0,1213.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582/transcript/41940/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And another excerpt from when Rinpoche was with his guru, studying with his guru.\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n[Reading] \"By now I was fourteen and completely happy and satisfied with the work. I looked forward to the summer vacation when we would have more leisure and I would have more opportunities to be with my guru. At the beginning of the vacation I was staying at one of the hermitages where I could walk in the woods, and practice meditation in serene solitude. Although it is natural for boys to want to play and climb trees, under my guru's instruction I had to control such impulses. But here everything was such as to satisfy me with the path I had chosen.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582#t=1213.0,1249.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582/transcript/41940/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: INTERVIEW PART 10]\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: HUM! We have poems of yours here, but we've left our conversation dangling in the air. And I had some questions still. For one thing, what's the use of a religion in relation to meditation? Is meditation necessarily a-- need necessarily be attached to religious ritual, or the authoritarian structure of religion, particularly what many people consider to be the very authoritarian structure of Hinduism, and Lamaism? In other words, do you need a religion to meditate? And also do you need a guru? And what's the function of the guru?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well it seems that -- excuse me -- a guru is required, because guru act as a mirror, reflecting your personalities. But in terms of religion it is purely individual situation. Nobody had to be converted before they practice meditation, as such. And their practice could be based on dealing with their basic neurosis and psychological problems, as they are. And acknowledging those process, those hangups, so to speak, and relate with their situation. And meditation not necessarily going to be particularly therapeutic or sedative effect at all. By practicing meditation that there a lot of hidden neurosis begin to come through, so in other word meditation could be said as that of unlearning, undoing process of basic psychological process as such.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582#t=1249.0,1348.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582/transcript/41940/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: INTERVIEW PART 11]\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: When you're talking about meditation are you talking about, like--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Sitting practice of meditation, yeah--\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: --sitting practice, and--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --whatever is may be--.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: --breath?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --and breath, or whatever techniques you be used.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582#t=1348.0,1356.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582/transcript/41940/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ALLEN GINSBERG: How do you deal with breath, or how do you relate to breath in meditation?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, usually we have all problems of different people been given all kinds techniques, of gazing in candlelights, or gazing at a flower, or contemplating about a bee--\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Using mantras [INAUDIBLE WORDS]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --sucking honey out of flowers, or whatever is may be. And all kinds of practices that based on, meditating on the music or on the other hand. All kinds of things been imposed on that kind of situation. But in this case, that meditation as known in the Buddhist tradition, is purely relating with a *simple* technique, what is available within your physical environment. Which could be represent both the mind and the body, and it seen that traditionally, breathing seem to be the combination of mind, intangible, and the body, tangible situation, so trying to work with those situations. And identify with such technique rather than use them as way of concentrating on your breathing, as that you might develop way of hypnotizing yourself, at all. It's-- whole thing is based on a kind of way of using stepping-stone, in order to open yourself. And if you begin to centralize your attention inside the body as such, at all, there's all kinds of physical symptoms or physical tensions or pressures; dizziness, and neurological buzz of all kinds of sound. As well as neurological visions of all kinds, and vibrations of all kinds begin to set up. So that could be misleading, in terms of practicing meditation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582#t=1356.0,1467.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582/transcript/41940/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So in this case meditation is without object, but just releasing, let yourself open, let yourself go with the technique. Breathing seem to apply... relating your breathing into open space, because breathing, or air of your body, has no relationship with the physical or the space at all, it's just a medium, media, like bridge, between the substance and non-substance. So it's way of letting go. That seem to be the presented.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582#t=1467.0,1503.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582/transcript/41940/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: INTERVIEW PART 12]\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: First time we met you talked about open space and I was asking you about mantras and you said the-- a mantra for blue open space was \"AH\"? Is that... the sound you make to symbolize [INAUDIBLE]--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well again, sound is referred as abstract, natural process, rather than something definitely fixed thing. It should be echo of the space, rather than something that you say \"AH\" and you're relating with that \"AH\", as though that you have produced from your neurological setup, of your physical body.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: The universe says \"AH\". The AH you're hearing is a universal AH?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Universal AH. Is in \"HUM\".","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582#t=1503.0,1548.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582/transcript/41940/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: POETRY READING]\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: HUM. You write poetry. I have some poetry here.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I seem to do. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Which says [reading] \r\n\r\n\r\n\"From HUM AH EVAM/ \r\nThe Perfect Love Poem by Chogyam Trungpa 'Lama' Rinpoche.\r\n\r\n\r\n\"There is a beautiful snow peaked mountain/ With peaceful clouds wrapped round her shoulders./ The surrounding air is filled with peace and love./ What is going to be is what is,/ That is love.\r\n\r\n\r\nThere is no fear of leaping into the immeasurable space of love./ Fall in love? Or, are you in love?/ Such questions cannot be answered,/ Because in this peace of an all-pervading presence,/ No one is in and no one is falling in./ No one is possessed by another.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582#t=1548.0,1597.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582/transcript/41940/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I see a beautiful playground/ Which some may call heaven, / Others may regard it as the trap of hell./ But, I, Chogyam, don't care./ In the playground beautiful Dakinis are holding hand drums,/ flutes and bells/. Some of them, who are dancing, hold naked flames, water, a/ nightingale./ Or the whole globe of earth with the galaxies around it./ These Dakinis may perform their dance of death or birth or/ sickness,/ I'm still completely intoxicated, in love./ And with this love, I watch them circle./ This performance is all-pervading and universal,/ So the sonorous sound of mantra is heard/ As a beautiful song from the Dakinis./ Among them, there is one dakini with a single eye/ And turquoise hair blown gently by the wind./ She sends a song of love and the song goes like this:/ HUM, HUM, HUM./ If there is no joy of Mahamudra in the form,/ If there's no joy of mahamudra in the speech/ If there's no joy of Mahamudra in the mind,/ How would you understand/ That we Dakinis are the mother, sister, maid, and wife./ And she shouts with such a penetrating voice, saying/ Come, come, come/ HUM HUM HUM/ Join the EH and VAM circle.\r\n\r\n\r\nThen I know I must surrender to the dance,/ And join the circle of Dakinis./ Like a confluence of two rivers,/ EH the feminine and VAM the male,/ Meeting in the circle of the Dance.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582#t=1597.0,1689.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582/transcript/41940/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Unexpectedly, as I opened myself to love, I was accepted./ So there are no questionings, no hesitations,/ I am completely immersed in the all powerful, the joyous/ Dakini mandala./ And here I found unwavering conviction that love is universal./ Five chakras of one's body filled with love./ Love without question, love without possessions.\r\n\r\n\r\nThis loving is the pattern of Mahamudra, universal love./ So I dance with the eighty siddhas and two thousand aspects/ of Dakinis./ And I will dance bearing the burden of the cross./ No one has forsaken me./ It is such a joyous love dance, my partner and I united.\r\n\r\n\r\nSo, the clear, peaceful mountain air/ Gently blows the clouds,/ A beautiful silk scarf wrapped round./ The Himalayas with their high snow peaks are dancing,/ Joining my rhythm in the dance,/ Joining with the stillness, the most dignified movement of/ them all. \r\n\r\n\r\nAugust 6th, 1969.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582#t=1689.0,1750.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582/transcript/41940/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: INTERVIEW PART 13]\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Those are written concrete poetry. And suggested to me at one point, which influenced my career as a poet, that I improvise poetry. Which was like a very good suggestion for like using spontaneous natural mind -- that since that conversation in San Francisco half a year ago, I've done a lot of improvisation; singing, mostly. So I've got to thank you for that. Can you improvise poetry yourself? You said the model was Milarepa.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It seems it goes on all the time.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Ah! [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Needless to say. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Well, now is there any special effort to be made in the meditation which goes on all the time?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, how to dance with a living situation is-- has sound, and has rhythm, and has energy, has movement; natural process.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582#t=1750.0,1812.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582/transcript/41940/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: INTERVIEW PART 14]\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Do you want more disciples, to teach how to meditate?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: As soon as-- as long as there's a situation of people converting themselves into the learning process of meditation, my energy is limitless.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Otherwise my energy is limited.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: In other words as long as there is a requirement for some kind of learning of calm?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582#t=1812.0,1842.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582/transcript/41940/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: As long as there is requirements in terms of institutionalized dogma--\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --to put effort into situation, my energy is limited. Because I have to try to manufacture my energy.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Otherwise situation is a spontaneous situation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582#t=1842.0,1859.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582/transcript/41940/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ALLEN GINSBERG: Which is why you wear civilian clothes [laughter] instead of formal saffron robes? Have you worn robes here in America?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I haven't worn robes in America. [Laughs; laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Uh huh. Were you to wear robes, it would probably be at the Karma Dzong monastery, or ashram, or community--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Meditation center.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: --meditation center.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582#t=1859.0,1885.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582/transcript/41940/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: INTERVIEW PART 15]\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: And also Tail of the Tiger in Vermont. And one of your disciples, Kesang, is here, who can explain to us what goes on in the community. You've been with Rinpoche how long?\r\n\r\n\r\nKESANG TANIA LEONTOV: About five years, starting in Scotland.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: And you've been in the Tail of the Tiger meditation center in Vermont how long?\r\n\r\n\r\nKESANG TANIA LEONTOV: Well, since the beginning.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Which is... how long has that been going on?\r\n\r\n\r\nKESANG TANIA LEONTOV: Two years ago, several of us came over to sort of do the groundwork, and then Rinpoche came over a couple of months later.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: How big is it? How big a place is it?\r\n\r\n\r\nKESANG TANIA LEONTOV: Well it's a very big farm. And there's one central house and some cabins, and more building going on.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Who's allowed to go there?\r\n\r\n\r\nKESANG TANIA LEONTOV: Anyone.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: How do you go? I mean--\r\n\r\n\r\nKESANG TANIA LEONTOV: [Laughing] You take a bus, and then you walk.[Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: To where? What's the address?\r\n\r\n\r\nKESANG TANIA LEONTOV: In Barnet, Vermont.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Barnet, Vermont.\r\n\r\n\r\nKESANG TANIA LEONTOV: It's open to visitors, and then people seem to sort themselves out about how long they stay. Of course with interviews with Rinpoche, and a general feeling of the community and themselves that it's a good situation, for them to be there.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: What goes on there precisely?\r\n\r\n\r\nKESANG TANIA LEONTOV: Well it's a very intense sort of life. There's-- in a background of meditation, and required meditations, there's construction and a craft center, agriculture, cooking, sweeping. You know, it's very lively.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582#t=1885.0,1956.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582/transcript/41940/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: SLIDE SHOW]\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: You also have some slides, picturing the activities there, which the TV audience will be able to see and you'll be able to explain.\r\n\r\n\r\nKESANG TANIA LEONTOV: Okay.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: In fact they're on now if you can--\r\n\r\n\r\nKESANG TANIA LEONTOV: Right.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: --you can explain what that is.\r\n\r\n\r\nKESANG TANIA LEONTOV: That's a tent that we set up in the summer for Rinpoche's seminars and for the meditations during the good weather. It's in one of-- a very open field.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: How many people fit in here?\r\n\r\n\r\nKESANG TANIA LEONTOV: About a hundred and fifty, I would think. And those-- We have all day meditations every other week. And it goes from nine in the morning until nine at night, with sitting and walking meditation and that's during one of these meditations.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Yeah, so the meditation Rinpoche’s been talking about is literally, that sitting that you see in front of you.\r\n\r\n\r\nKESANG TANIA LEONTOV: Well, sitting and then the process of being in that state while you're doing everything else, if you can manage.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: And that?\r\n\r\n\r\nKESANG TANIA LEONTOV: Oh that's one of the retreat huts that we have there. Every member of the community is required to spend a month in isolated retreat. And then visitors come up also for retreats, so they're quite removed from the house and the activities.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: This?\r\n\r\n\r\nKESANG TANIA LEONTOV: That's one of the new cabins that we're building for the permanent house members, so we're decentralizing from the main farmhouse, spacing out a bit.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582#t=1956.0,2024.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582/transcript/41940/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ALLEN GINSBERG: How many people are there now by the way?\r\n\r\n\r\nKESANG TANIA LEONTOV: Well, most of us are in New York now but it's--\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: For this program?\r\n\r\n\r\nKESANG TANIA LEONTOV: Yeah. Twenty-three of the permanent community and then fifteen visitors or so.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: And this? What is this?\r\n\r\n\r\nKESANG TANIA LEONTOV: That's the craft shop. We do jewelry, leather work, weaving, different kinds of embroidery, hand sewing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582#t=2024.0,2041.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582/transcript/41940/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ALLEN GINSBERG: You're economically self-sufficient?\r\n\r\n\r\nKESANG TANIA LEONTOV: Not yet, but that's what we're working for.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: This?\r\n\r\n\r\nKESANG TANIA LEONTOV: And that's Rinpoche at the last New York seminar.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Hum, oh so it is in the city?\r\n\r\n\r\nKESANG TANIA LEONTOV: Yes, it's in New York.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: --the city.\r\n\r\n\r\nKESANG TANIA LEONTOV: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582#t=2041.0,2052.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582/transcript/41940/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: INTRO AUDIENCE Q AND A]\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Generally in-- I've been to some of some Rinpoche's lectures, generally he has spoken for ten or fifteen minutes, and then invited questions from the group that he's talking to, such as here. We have plenty of time and the same opportunity to do that now, sir. So, if you would like to turn the wheel of dharma and discourse to the entire panoramic consciousness of Manhattan, Bronx, Staten Island [laughter], and lower New York State. [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nKESANG TANIA LEONTOV: Brooklyn. [laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: And lead the--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: San Francisco.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Well this will probably reach San Francisco.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: In a week or so. So, I will now withdraw from the screen, and it is all yours, and your disciplines and students and friends, who can ask questions when you're finished talking. Thank you for talking to me.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Thank you.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Well we got through the prepared part. [Laughs; laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, that we did.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Now it's all yours. I can relax now I guess.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582#t=2052.0,2121.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582/transcript/41940/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: AUDIENCE QUESTION 1]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: Rinpoche, you spoke of meditation as dealing with the situation that's around us, the ordinary situation, whatever it is, that we have to confront in our daily lives. But it wasn't clear to me, in what you said there, what factor it is that makes this a meditation? I mean everybody is going through their daily lives all the time, and I wonder what the special element might be?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582#t=2121.0,2148.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582/transcript/41940/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well probably this moment you need a certain amount of basic explanation in terms of our audience, particularly. That there seem to be extreme confusion between the spirituality, and religion. And spirituality is lifestyle situation, accordance with \"what is so.\" And religion is expressions of that spirituality, and impressions of that spirituality made tremendous impression on other people, and trying to follow the shell of it, impression of it. So it is like walking with the shoes, or studying of the imprints of the-- imprints of your shoes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582#t=2148.0,2211.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582/transcript/41940/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, this situation that we are end up with spirituality, is leading life accordance with what is chaos, what is pleasurable, what is painful, what is good, what is bad. We are constantly slaved [sic] by these concepts and ideas all the time, on and on and on. When we trying to be good, we be slaved by goodness. When we try to be bad, we be slaved by badness. So we are never free at all. Constantly be searching on and on and on; trying to get free ourselves.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582#t=2211.0,2259.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582/transcript/41940/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So, in the situation that what we are talking in terms of this religious practice or spiritual practice as such, is that living situation that our life permits ourselves whether we are scientist, whether we are philosopher, whether we are theologians, whatever we are. That our relationship is based on how to relate with the chaos of the situation, as such. Trying to step out of this \"spiritual materialism\" as I call it. Not to get into this manufacturing further spirituality, in order to free from the spirituality, or the pain as such. So, if we could relate that way, so, spirituality begin to become something matter of fact, something living.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582#t=2259.0,2312.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582/transcript/41940/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So in the terms of emotions and problems that we experience in a living situation, *is* the only way that we could relate with it, because that produces answer-- or question rather. You cannot ask question unless you are thrust to do so. Reason why we ask questions is because we find answers so overwhelming. Therefore we ask questions. So that in itself, that tendency of asking questions is tremendously beautiful thing that happen in this country. People are confused, people are uncertain. Everybody’s uncertain and confused. That seem to be the stepping stone of starting on that particular process. Because of their confusion, that automatically means they are manufacturing more and more questions. More they think of more questions, that automatically means there's tendency of answers there already. So, dealing with negative situations of life is part of the path automatically becomes. So one doesn't regard that as something bad or something negative. But one uses process of recycling process, or stepping stone, or using it as a manure of experiences.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582#t=2312.0,2408.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582/transcript/41940/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ALLEN GINSBERG: You have ten minutes or more, fifteen minutes of totally free time, to yourself to speak. Or meditate, or be silent.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, we could discuss this very maybe-- ALLEN GINSBERG: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --seem to be natural thing.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Yep. There are some questions also phoned in from the audience.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: We can ask--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: We can do that as well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582#t=2408.0,2431.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582/transcript/41940/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: AUDIENCE QUESTION 2]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Rinpoche, there seems to be a tremendous difference in what is known in this country about Tibetan Buddhism -- from let's say Evans-Wentz and Guenther and Blofeld, you know, the heavy tantra trip -- and what you're saying about meditation. Now, what you're saying about meditation seems to be a much more of a broadly Buddhist thing than a specifically Tibetan thing. And after knowing you a few months, I'm still not clear about -- to use a very colloquial way of putting it -- what your particular kind of trip is. We know the beginning of it is meditation. But how do you relate this to the information that is presented about tantra, visualizations, mantra, and all of that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582#t=2431.0,2481.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582/transcript/41940/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well this all could be said is *extremely* profound and vast, extremely. It is known as that there is the eighty-four types of teachings, or gates of dharma, that could relate with individualities, individuals. So, it seems that each particular person would have their own way of relating with the teaching as such. But to begin with we have to prepare foundation. We can't automatically give the baby adult's food. We have to feed them to begin with. So, in my way of looking at the present situation in America, or the West altogether, or country outside of Tibet for that matter, is that nobody is ready for such big consumption, such big protein. That they had to be prepared to begin with.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582#t=2481.0,2555.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582/transcript/41940/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So anybody presenting such extreme-- introduces such extreme practice seem to be too much, and not ready for it. So what I see it is that to begin with America had to be prepared as basic ground, to begin with their neurosis -- American neurosis or Western neurosis or whatever is may be -- had to be cleared out. So there's people able to deal with the basic neurosis as such, to begin with, by simple practice of meditation. And *then* they might have developed, they might spark out. Because dealing with the basic neurosis they might have some basic intelligence sparking out, and trying to catch all these sparkling quality of them, and then we present-- and take advantage of this sparkling quality, or the highlights of their basic development, as a bodhisattva path, or Mahayana path as be represented-- presented. And beyond that those sparkling quality of highlights, not only just flashes of light but that those lights have a individual characteristic as the light is flashes-- flashes in terms of turn of blue, turn of red, or turn of yellow, whatever is may be.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582#t=2555.0,2641.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582/transcript/41940/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then we could really present the complete teachings of what Buddha taught. So, it seems that there's possibilities of abusing American enthusiasm, by presenting too much. So it had to start properly, so that--\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: [INAUDIBLE WORDS] of abusing American enthusiasm?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, precisely. If there's some kind of--\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Enthusiasm for vajras, and incense--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Whatever is may be. Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: --and ritual.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Whatever is may be. Whatever is may be. Which is pres-- anything that presents symbolism. Because symbolism can be only seen in terms of absolute level of what *is*. So in order to see what is, to begin with we have to see what is *not*. And before we see what is not we have to see who is seeing what is not, what is. So we have to start from level to level, gradual process. And seem that that's a very compassionately kind thing to do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582#t=2641.0,2702.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582/transcript/41940/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER2: Except what you describe as simple meditation turns out to not to be quite so simple after all, right?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well. I mean the pain is very obvious.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Start on the Four Noble Truth; \"duhkha\", or \"pain\", or \"suffering\", is a real thing, that that which set us into the path in America altogether. That in fact there's American consciousness is turning towards that kind of dissatisfaction of pain, is I regard as extremely positive move, towards it. I wouldn't regard as bad or something negative that we have to change the whole civilization, but we have to take advantage of negative civilization, as stepping stone, and trying to work accordingly, gradually, as natural process.[Laughs].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582#t=2702.0,2748.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582/transcript/41940/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: FOUR NOBLE TRUTHS]\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Can you explain the Four Noble Truths please, on television? I don't think it has been done before. What are the Four Noble Truths? For people listening, most have not heard that list.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well that's one of the fundamental basic principles of Buddha's teaching, that to begin with experience of pain, experience of dissatisfaction, experience of neurosis, the psycho-- the psychotic situations of human life-- human situation. Which happens constantly because human beings have lost their criteria of what is actual pain, what is actual pleasure, as such at all. Because having related with the pleasure is something of goal. Then from that situation goal begin to become striving process towards the pleasure. So pleasure produces pain automatically. Because goal is something terribly urgent; that urgence [sic] produces pain automatically so finally goal becomes poison. Medicine becomes a poison automatically. Because we want the medicines *so* much, that's the truth of suffering, or duhkha.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Existence is suffering.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Suffering.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: And from that level then we have to relate with why it is so. Why pleasure and pain as such as said that situation. And that situation brings a certain understanding of, that we are holding on the wrong end of the stick, to begin with. That's the first glimpse of the path. And having realized that situation to begin with, that we are finally, fundamentally, neurotic, or confused people already. Understanding from that, then automatically situation present itself into-- there is path as such, there is goal as such, which is non-striving, non-speeding, non-rushing. That seem to be the starting point of the goal. So you have pain, suffering, understanding of the suffering, and understanding the goal, and the goal becomes the path automatically.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: So, the pain and suffering is the first-- is known as the first noble truth. The--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Automatically that seem to happen--\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: --the condition of dissatisfactory-ness.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Condition of dissatisfaction, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582#t=2748.0,2895.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582/transcript/41940/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ALLEN GINSBERG: Then, the second truth is that--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Is realizing such that that situation is so.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Third?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It is not external, but we can't blame an external thing. But we have to relate with it inwardly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582#t=2895.0,2906.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582/transcript/41940/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ALLEN GINSBERG: Yeah. Yeah, and the third truth?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: And third one is goal.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: That-- the end of suffering--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: There is understanding does exist.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Yeah, yeah. Or there is a way out.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: In spite of our confusion.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: There is a way out.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: There is a way out, but way out is *within* the confusion. Confusion has pattern.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582#t=2906.0,2921.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582/transcript/41940/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ALLEN GINSBERG: And so the fourth truth--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: So methodically confused we are.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Ah, the fourth truth, then is the pattern shown, or as the way out--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: As path practice of meditation, whatever is may be.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: And what are the details of the fourth?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Is practice of meditation and relating with the whole rest of the three truths, methodically.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582#t=2921.0,2941.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582/transcript/41940/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: EIGHTFOLD PATH]\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: There is a scheme of like a eightfold noble path also?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Definitely, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Can you-- because I don't know it actually. Can you tell me?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well there-- that's also relate with the right action, is related with the situation of life as such. That you don't try to discriminate what is wrong or what is right, but you have transcendental right action, and transcendental meditation, and transcendental morality, and transcendental awareness, and mindfulness. And transcendental livelihood, transcendental effort. All of them-- all of the eightfold path is related with why it says-- called \"noble\"; eightfold path is extremely noble, because it's very panoramic. It's like imperial vision -- that you don't deal with the petty things of what is bad, what is good, but it's judgment which overlays beyond all kind of conceptual, all kind of extremes. So you relate with the details of life as it is. But at the same time you see the space between the whole situation. Or the extremes as one global situation.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Hmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582#t=2941.0,3018.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582/transcript/41940/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: AUDIENCE QUESTION 3]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: Rinpoche, what does the Buddha mean when he says in other places that there's no pain, there's no path and cessation of pain?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well if you're trying to relate with the pain is confused way, if you might be experiencing pain; but you don't know what is pain at all, because you are completely confused. And you do not know what is actually pain and what is actually pleasure at all. So from that point of view there's no pain, because you are confused.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: But he speaks-- sometimes he speaks of the enlightened man as seeing that there's no pain.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Precisely, yeah. Because of that, enlightened person does not have a relative situation of comparing, or struggle towards pleasure, and trying to get away from pain as such. Pain and pleasure are seen as two sides of the coin.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: Is it wrong to try to adopt this position before one-- before one's enlightened?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well that's depends on individual understanding. There is possibilities of what is known as: if you're trying to leap or imitate like lion, the fox might break its neck. By leaping too far.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582#t=3018.0,3106.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582/transcript/41940/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: AUDIENCE QUESTION 4]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: I used to suffer when I saw parts of myself that lied, or was egotistical, and general attributes that I found personally distasteful. Through certain experiences I'm-- at a certain time I've understood that these parts were that way, and that I shouldn't expect to lie or tell the truth. And the part that makes me suffer now is when I see that the part wishes to achieve something, that wishes to work, is subverted all the time by ego. That even the purest impulse, which occasionally comes up, becomes something false and its opposite. And is this what you mean by suffering? Because this is a different kind of suffering. You know there-- maybe my ego suffers, but this sometimes causes another reaction, you know, a deeper kind of suffering.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well suffering is basically that-- there could be suffering of wanting to have appropriate answer, because you're irritated by the confusion that you don't have appropriate answer. And the suffering because you know there is appropriate answer, therefore you are longing towards it, and you try to struggle towards it. On the process of trying to struggle to get the answer, you get hurt, because you're speeding so much. All kinds of sufferings does exist, because of our speedy, grasping notion.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582#t=3106.0,3214.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582/transcript/41940/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: AUDIENCE QUESTION 5]\r\n\r\n\r\nJUDITH MALINA: There is so much suffering that is external to the sufferer. Say those people are dying of hunger, or those people are the victims of the wars. I saw many people working very hard to try to alleviate this kind of suffering in the world, who are now closing their ears to this outcry, and turning into a meditative practices, concentrating on their *personal* suffering. How is this to be avoided?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You see there's no point in trying to punish yourself because others suffer. It seem to the one of the sensible thing to do is that alleviate your own pain. In other word that one should not add to the other people's suffering. And make yourself not nuisance.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582#t=3214.0,3273.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582/transcript/41940/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"JUDITH MALINA: Yes, but I am not in pain but I hear the outcry of my fellows who are in pain.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That is pain. That is pain.\r\n\r\n\r\nJUDITH MALINA: Yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That is pain automatically. When you hear the other people's suffering that means you hear them suffering, which automatically means that you have some concept of, \"if they are not suffering I would be happier.\" So in other word it is another way of searching for one's own happiness. Because you want to see things tidy and smooth, in this environment.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582#t=3273.0,3302.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582/transcript/41940/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"JUDITH MALINA: Should I not try to alleviate that pain?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: By beginning with one self. Try to alleviate that pain, of everybody's pain, by starting with one's own self.\r\n\r\n\r\nJUDITH MALINA: But wouldn't I then be closing my ears to those who are crying out for help?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Not at all. If you feel-- if you're free from that suffering, then you be able to help them more and more, because you are not adding, as I said, as nuisance for them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582#t=3302.0,3327.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582/transcript/41940/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ALLEN GINSBERG: Precious One this is a choice moment because the lady-- the dakini to whom you are talking is Judith Malina of The Living Theater, with her husband Julian Beck, who have been in Brazil all last year organizing theater groups, and who were arrested by the Brazilian government for attempting to speak freely in the closed and repressive police state situation in Brazil. So they were arrested, and have just come back, released from jail, through the yelling and outcry here in America, to the Brazilian authorities. So they were released from jail and came back to the United States. So her question comes from one who has been in a police state, attempting to make a nuisance of herself, to the police state. Is that right? Well how do you relate--\r\n\r\n\r\nJUDITH MALINA: Yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: --your activity to what--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I mean--\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: --Rinpoche is saying?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582#t=3327.0,3386.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582/transcript/41940/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --you see whole thing seem to be that there's a different style of settling down confusion. One is to speak of the language of the confusion much louder than the confusion does exist there already. So *your* confusion becomes such loud confusion. The other people's confusion becomes petty confusion. But on the other hand there's another way of settling down that confusion, is trying to infiltrate that confusion, by not disrupting the existing confusion structural, such, but trying to understand that the basic situation not making nuisance of oneself. It seem to be two situations: either it is extremely loud, extremely discreet. You have two choices.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Are we talking the same language?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [INAUDIBLE]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582#t=3386.0,3445.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582/transcript/41940/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"JUDITH MALINA: It seems to me there are people dying of hunger--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nJUDITH MALINA: --and we want to destroy the barrier between them and the food. And I find that my comrades in this fight are meditating on their inner confusions, instead of breaking down the barrier between the people who are dying of hunger, and the food. And I want them not to do this. If meditation is a technique for developing people to the point where they can find ways to bring this food which exists to these people that are crying out for it, then it seems to me a wonderful and useful thing. But if we shut our ears-- isn't this what Avalokiteshvara did at the moment of his enlightenment, when he said he would not enter nirvana while there was so much suffering in the world?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582#t=3445.0,3509.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582/transcript/41940/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You see there's two way of looking at that: is that one had to be realistic, rather than revolutionary. Often revolutionary approach destroys the realistic situation. Because revolutionary becomes so much ideology. And you begin to lose your contacts with reality. That's very much depends on individual approach, as such, constantly. Because if you're trying to be *too* revolutionary, you begin to hear your voice much louder than somebody else's situation. On the other hand of course, that if you try to be too discreet, and try to become too much involved with your own self, your own development, you don't hear other people's voice at all. Which means that you are not taking part in the living situation of things as they are.\r\n\r\n\r\nSo if we able to relate with things as they are, living situation, as they are, then more we get into the living situation as they are, then we able to learn how to relate with the push or not push. It had to be a natural situation, organic situation. And I don't think anybody has managed to answer that question by prescription *at all*. It had to be how you are able to relate with the situation as closely as possible -- whether you exert your power, or whether you try to be camouflage your aggressions, and infiltrate that situation. That had to be purely related with the individual merit. You can't really have a basic specimen, or basic protection, as such at all. I mean that's often religion, or spiritual practice is often blamed on having fixed prescription. Seem to be there was a problem.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582#t=3509.0,3636.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582/transcript/41940/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"JUDITH MALINA: Can’t we be both realistic and revolutionary? Can't we both--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well it depends on how much you're realistic.\r\n\r\n\r\nJUDITH MALINA: --meditate and do revolutionary work?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Depends on how much you're realistic. You can't be revolutionary if there's no realistic groundwork, as such.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582#t=3636.0,3662.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582/transcript/41940/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: AUDIENCE QUESTION 6]\r\n\r\n\r\nJULIAN BECK: I feel that realistically, we live in a situation which was not created so much by nature, as by man. That we have invented a system, which is fatally oppressive to the vast majority of people on this earth, who are subjected to suffering, and for whom meditation, transcendence, is the privilege of the elite. Who neither have the opportunity ever to meditate, ever to reflect, nor even to dream of such a possibility. And as soon, it seems to me as one begins to mediate, if one opens one's ears to the sound of the world turning, to the sound of the cry of the people, that sound is so great. The vibrations, so intense. There's nothing to do but to rise and to try to reverse that system, and that flow of energy. That seems to me to be the-- the sense of-- would seem to me the sense of realism.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. Well, that's understandable. But at the same--\r\n\r\n\r\nJULIAN BECK: Then that would mean overthrowing the system in which we live.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, that's understandable.\r\n\r\n\r\nJULIAN BECK: And the realism would lead immediately to revolution.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Automatically.\r\n\r\n\r\nJULIAN BECK: I think the man who works in the factory, the man who is subjected to doing the drudgery of this materialistic world--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah--\r\n\r\n\r\nJULIAN BECK: --of never, can-- is not *free* from the struggle to feed himself, to be able ever to concentrate on anything spiritual. Now we've got to change that. And fast. And it would seem to me that if meditation is going to block us from this action, then we have to get rid of the meditation right away. That has to stop *tonight* as of this moment [Trungpa Rinpoche laughs; laughter], if it is stopping us from taking the effective action, that's going to destroy this oppressive system, which essentially is a worship of Mammon, of money, of capitalism, of the *state*, of the authoritarian structure, which separates us from our humanity.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Quite right. Well you see the situation is--\r\n\r\n\r\nJULIAN BECK: Then we have--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582#t=3662.0,3861.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582/transcript/41940/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: The situation is that we have a faith, we have a conviction: what is so, what is not so; what should be, what shouldn't be. But at the same time, we could overhear that. That voice, as you said, the universal voice, could become extremely *loud*. So much so that we are not able to hear the situation what is there, beyond your voice, beyond the echo. So meditation is trying to relate with that situation, which is trying to develop our basic acute, and precision-- basic precise abilities to hear the situation as it is, or the situation not as it is. And we have to develop our keen perceptions.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582#t=3861.0,3917.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582/transcript/41940/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In other word, that if we are involved with too much of dogma, automatically that dogma becomes deaf-- makes us deaf and dumb. So meditation is a way of developing *insight*, to see the panoramic situation, which could transcend that dogma, and that doctrine. In that case one had to sacrifice tremendously oneself, to step out of that dogma, which may be painful because you want to achieve something and you have to give up that achievement, that ambition. But at the same time that is only first contribution you could make as a revolutionary. Which is one of the problems of a world, that world faces always ambition and achievement, struggle constantly. And if you don't speak the language of the struggle then we are doomed. That seemed to be the only problem that involved.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582#t=3917.0,3977.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582/transcript/41940/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Whereas on the other hand we could look at into different situation, that we don't have to reduce ourselves as jellyfish, because we been overwhelmed by the sound and visions of chaos and the grotesque of the world. There's beauty beyond grotesque, there's music beyond the sound, there's always beyond that situation constantly happening so it's question of giving up one's own trip, so to speak. As well as relating with situations.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582#t=3977.0,4016.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582/transcript/41940/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But I think this situation cannot be described purely by our sort of theological, metaphysical style at all. It had to be practiced, it had to be worked out. If practice becomes dogma, you're quite right that you have to give up practicing tonight, this very moment, if it's anything to do with the dogma. Or trying to bring pleasurable situations in life situation, beyond seeing the logical situation as it is. If meditation prevents us seeing the precision of things as they are, then it is worth boycotting altogether. Quite right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582#t=4016.0,4062.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582/transcript/41940/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: AUDIENCE QUESTION 7]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: Rinpoche, it seems to me that if you hit the age of three years old, and you go to eight years old, after that, whatever goes in your subconscious, when you go into your developing age, that's exactly what you’re going to do. We leave go of the three years to the eight year olds, and we neglect that. We just shoo it away. We have full discrimination, neglect. We have fairy tales, tin soldiers, cops and robbers. And then we get into our developing age, we do *exactly* the same thing, like the eight year old. And then we get to be sixty-five years old, we're doing the *same* thing, which is nothing but neurotic nonsense. Now, if we can start from the age of three years old--\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: I'm the moderator. Can we have your question?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582#t=4062.0,4139.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582/transcript/41940/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER10: Yeah, I'm just saying. If we can start to the age from three to eight, and have it strictly nondiscrimination, as a public school, and run that as a basis, with language and all kinds of assortments, and no smart and stupid, and nothing. And after the age of eight, then do whatever you please. Go into a school system and do whatever you... Then we would come back, and stop this neurotic nonsense. Otherwise whenever you go through your development period you find something is wrong, takes you five to forty years to get out of it. [Laughter] I personally am still trying to get out of it.\r\n\r\n\r\nNow what can we do with the three year old to the eight year old, in nondiscrimination? *Complete* nondiscrimination.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, we have to grow anyway.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582#t=4139.0,4210.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582/transcript/41940/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER10: If we grow up with that subconscious in us, we can't help it.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Not necessarily. The growth does not mean necessarily we have to grow in a particular fashion, at all. That we have stepping stone from the confusion. And that confusion brings possible alternatives, as such. And that alternative begin to become path. And as alternative begin to become path that becomes way of growing ourself. And we-- it seem to there's a problem; what you said in your question is that there is, as though we regard ourselves as solid iron man, big pipe, has no gaps in the between those situations at all. But generally the life situation is not like big pipe, or big ball, made out of iron. Life is like beads, has occasional gaps, happening all the time; that we could insert our inspirations, our ideas, and our visions, into it. So there's constantly change takes place, because-- you see the whole thing is when we are born, we are not really born. When we die, that we are not really dying. When we are born, we are constantly dying, when we're dying we're constantly borning [laughter]-- being born.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Burning. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: So birth and death are constantly happening all the time. So life is not big solid wall, but life is process of death and birth all the time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582#t=4210.0,4325.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582/transcript/41940/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: AUDIENCE QUESTION 8]\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: There are--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Are there any telephone questions?\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Yes, the voice of the rest of the world has been ringing into the ears of the assistants here, and the questions come from phone. \"Can your teaching cure mentally ill people, and what are the relation between your teaching and psychoanalysis and psychotherapy?\"\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I wouldn't put it in *my* teaching -- it has nothing do with me at all.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: This was the way the telephone put it.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, I know, but let them hear.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What I've been told, what I understood. Rather than I manufactured a teaching.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Mhmm. So what is the relation between the teaching that you have studied, and teach, and--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: In connection with the mental illness.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: And-- mental illness and psychotherapy.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, it seem to be connection to mental illness, that seem to be one of the basic principles of Buddha's teaching. That constantly dealing with neurosis of mind, either terms of practice of meditation or by dealing with the situational understanding, development. So, that seem to be the one of our work, that it is one of the basic importance of our work is dealing with neurosis of mind. And it could cure. And this-- in this case curing means enlightenment.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582#t=4325.0,4409.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582/transcript/41940/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: AUDIENCE QUESTION 9]\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Then another question phoned in parallel, \"Can meditation change abnormal behavior?\"\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: If you relate with the abnormal is relative situation, it does not change abnormal behavior, but it changes the *concept* of abnormality.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Hmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Which has nothing to do with abnormal, but the concept of abnormal could be changed. Which destroys whole concept of normality or abnormal, whatever is [laughing] may be.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582#t=4409.0,4438.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582/transcript/41940/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: AUDIENCE QUESTION 10]\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: \"Can one meditate while carrying on another activity?\"\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Of course. That's what we're doing right here.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Hmm. [Laughter] So therefore they can-- perhaps can meditate while carrying on revolution?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: If you'd like to.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Well, your book is titled MEDITATION IN ACTION.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Precisely yeah, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: And they meditate actually, so there was never any conflict, actually, except do you have-- you're explaining to each other where you are.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well meditation this case automatically means skillful means, how to handle your living situation as well.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Hmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It doesn't necessarily mean just purely sitting down on meditating, on your black cushion, whatever is may be.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Any quest-- \r\n\r\n\r\nJULIAN BECK: --[INAUDIBLE WORDS] actually advocating at this particular moment in history, getting up off our holy asses and entering into action and--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well action *is* meditation. Meditation is action, with precision.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582#t=4438.0,4493.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582/transcript/41940/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: AUDIENCE QUESTION 11]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: I have a question, from the other side of the coin, of the meditation helping people who have mental illness. But is there any danger, in that when you're meditating you're bringing out a lot of deep and painful experiences, and that you might not have the strength to deal with them? And possibly get even sicker?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, if it brings out, that means you have a-- you have the accommodation to bring out automatically.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: But you also have strong defenses built up to prevent you from experiencing these possibly very destructive things.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well then meditation provides the basic accommodation, rather than cures anything. Which is in itself step towards development.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582#t=4493.0,4543.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582/transcript/41940/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: AUDIENCE QUESTION 12]\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: From the phone, again, a bodhisattva at the end of the line says, \"Why doesn't Rinpoche stop smoking on the show?\" [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's interesting one.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: He was watching the screen.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It would be inter-- it be important for them to see that I am smoking, on the scene. So that whole thing doesn't become-- this situation doesn't become dehumanized.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582#t=4543.0,4578.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582/transcript/41940/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: AUDIENCE QUESTION 13]\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Hmm. \"Rinpoche's attitude towards the use of drugs to attain spiritual insights: do they help?\"\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's questionable. Very much individual.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Would you like to divide that up into the different drugs -- alcohol, marijuana, and LSD? Or leave it--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well it seem to be basic situation of how their relationship to the world relate with it. And somehow that if there's any kind of relation which involves with the further dream world, their life situation, then any kind of way of a gaining higher consciousness doesn't help at all.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: I didn't understand.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Any kind of dream world which regarded as way of curing themselves.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Becomes--\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Because if it does lead into a dream world then it doesn't help?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's depends on individuals. This need--\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: With some individuals do you think that drugs lead into maha ati, or some form of--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well that needs address and attention, to individuals.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: So, it's an individual case.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Individual case, yeah. One can't make a general statement on that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582#t=4578.0,4649.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582/transcript/41940/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: AUDIENCE QUESTION 14]\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Hmm. \"Do you have to give up attachment, desire, and ego, to be truly enlightened?\" Asks the telephone.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It's not so much of giving up, but it's becoming friendly with them. Because being enlightened person means a compassionate person.\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: They become friendly with your attachment, desire, and ego?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582#t=4649.0,4672.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2232/collection_resources/87103/file/175582/transcript/41940/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: AUDIENCE QUESTION 15]\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Hum. \"How do you balance out desire for spiritual fulfillment, when according to Buddhism, *any* desire is counterproductive?\" In other words how do you balance out desire for spiritual fulfillment, when according to early Buddhist tenets, any movement of desire is counterproductive?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well if there's desire*er* -- person who desires the desire -- that's what's called ego, or self, in the Buddhist tradition. And one have to eliminate that, or one have to use that as stepping stone, to get rid of it. 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Say-- those looking now, through the visionary phantom eye of the television camera, can you give them a mudra, or a posture, or a word, or a specific practicable teaching that they can turn off the television set and go to immediately, for meditation.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, keep meditating. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nALLEN GINSBERG: Which means what? 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This now follows to the adieu, good night. Free Time, this next Thursday, is about the problems of household workers, with the music of Taj Mahal.\r\n\r\n\r\nOn Thursday, January 18th, the revolutionary genius Tom Hayden, will be on Free Time to talk about the Indo-China war. If you'd like tickets to Free Time, or if you have comments about the shows write to Free Time, Channel 13, 304 West 58th Street, New York, New York, 10009. And the thangka you have seen came from the Tibetan craft store on Madison and 67th-- 62nd Street.\r\n\r\n\r\nSo we have now complete free time and open space for exactly one more minute.\r\n\r\n\r\n[Tibetan monastic chanting, music]\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. 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