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The island represents alaya consciousness, the fundamental ground that gives rise to both samsara and nirvana. Because of the truth of egolessness, the castle of ego and battle itself never took place. This encapsulates a truth about the Buddhist path: we are removing problems we created to reveal awakened mind. These problems have no substance and we can allow them to pass through without identifying with them. This talk is in the form of a dialogue with the audience.\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication"]},"value":{"en":["UNPUBLISHED"]}},{"label":{"en":["Transcription Credits"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eJun 28 2022 to Jul 20 2023 Transcribing: Ella Milligan Checking: Julia McKaig Final Proof: Travis May Other Contributors: Lynn Friedman, Warner Dick\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003e© Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Year"]},"value":{"en":["1970"]}}],"summary":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eAfter defeating the metaphorical castle of ego, the desert island where the castle was built is examined. The island represents alaya consciousness, the fundamental ground that gives rise to both samsara and nirvana. Because of the truth of egolessness, the castle of ego and battle itself never took place. This encapsulates a truth about the Buddhist path: we are removing problems we created to reveal awakened mind. These problems have no substance and we can allow them to pass through without identifying with them. This talk is in the form of a dialogue with the audience.\u003c/p\u003e"]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003e\u0026copy; Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved -\u0026nbsp;Not to be Distributed or Reproduced\u003c/p\u003e"]}},"provider":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["Chogyam Trungpa Digital Library"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["Chogyam Trungpa Digital Library"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/209/original/cti-library-logo-blue-text.png?1672724952","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/273/488/small/open-uri20250521-778-gzpbqv?1747839481","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 1 - open-uri20250521-778-6nwex7.mpga"]},"duration":5209.4955,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/273/488/small/open-uri20250521-778-gzpbqv?1747839481","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488/content/1/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-cti.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/273/488/original/open-uri20250521-778-6nwex7.mpga?1747839481","type":"Audio","format":"audio/mpeg","duration":5209.4955,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488/transcript/80084","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["19701230VCTR1-Transcript [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488/transcript/80084/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[19701230VCTR1 - Public Seminar - Karme Choling - Battle Of Ego I - Talk 6] \r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]\r\n\r\n\r\nARP SLATE: This is the Venerable Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, seminar entitled Battle of Ego, held at Tail of the Tiger, Vermont. This is talk number six given December 30th, 1970. This is an ARP digital remaster made October 2005.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488#t=0.0,20.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488/transcript/80084/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: OPENING REMARKS]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It's continual process of discovery. And it is continual process of... energy. [sneezes loudly; laughter] Phew! [laughter; laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nAnd we have so much energy this particular situation, that-- the old intelligence being put through starting from the beginning of building up the castle as well as the accommodating these characters in the castle and submerging these dualistic inspired characters into its original state. So it has been tremendously energetic, full of electrified, so to speak, energy. It's really ringing energy. Almost one could hear back of one's head. And work way-- our way through. And now we're back to the ground with such energy, still. Highly well-equipped if there was another castle to attack. Now we know what do, what we could do. But there is another castle. Since intelligence and energy is not self-examining one, therefore it isn't come down, such come down. But still, there must be some kind of direction.\r\n\r\n\r\nSo perhaps, I think we should go-- once again, I would like to hear your comments on the nature of the beach, nature of the island. What is this composed of? And, from there, that we might find some answer. Because that's one of the very fundamental thing. Very important point. What was the nature of the island? What was it? How the inspiration of building castle started from this? Since it is continual unlearning and undoing process, so we have to go back. Each process is stepping back and clarify and unveiling process, rather than we're building up anything. Which is the nature of spiritual path.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488#t=20.0,290.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488/transcript/80084/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: DISCUSSION PART 1]\r\n\r\n\r\nJEREMY HAYWARD: One thing that puzzles me, which is in relation-- well, that is, there must be some difference. You say it's a going back process, and obviously, as we've followed it, it has been a going back process. There must be some difference [INAUDIBLE] beginning and the end. And I'd like to-- and this is connected with another question that I-- that seems to be in the way for me. And that is, what's the difference between the person that you're trying to lead us to or something, the person who is just at one with his-- with the life that's flowing through him -- and a person who's just completely never even thought about any of these things? Just lives his life, just on and on and on. Isn't that the same-- that's a similar...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Similar to?\r\n\r\n\r\nJEREMY HAYWARD: Similar to the question of what's the difference, when we get back? 00:05:51]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well--\r\n\r\n\r\nJEREMY HAYWARD: We've been through all this process, and there's a beach again and the sun's shining, and... But there must be a difference. Because in the first case, that led to the building of the castle. And in this case, you say it *can't* lead to the building of the castle.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You mean, what is the difference between different stages before the castle and after the castle?\r\n\r\n\r\nJEREMY HAYWARD: In this landscape.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nJEREMY HAYWARD: What's the element that makes it different?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, no, not very much differences at all. But it seems to be, in this case, that having destroyed the castle, that you've achieved something. Like what I been saying yesterday, that this is the difference is the idea of Buddha and the primeval state. In this case, there is the idea of awake comes in, because there was confusion as well, there's sleep in-- as well. Therefore, the awake concept comes in. So the-- one before that is there's no question of samsara and nirvana exists at all. At that stage, there does exist, because the idea of confusion started the awake. Like when there's a stronger light, then darkness also comes automatically. When there's stronger darkness, light automatically comes, because something to judge, something to compare each other.\r\n\r\n\r\nSo this case, idea of enlightenment is, in a sense, comparative term rather than absolute thing. And in the case of ordinary people who hasn't had idea of this even, there seems to be-- well that's be the question: What's wrong with that? I think we have to find out. As well, that's another process that we have to go through. We don't seem to have enough time in this seminar. But, I mean, what's wrong? Why search for spirituality? Some people are completely happy. They go for business every day, and they work vigorously, come back to home, have a meal, go to sleep, and start again next day. And they're very practical and very together in a sense that they are well-equipped with dealing with life, whatever is comes, and it seems they're perfectly sane. So what is the insane quality about them? That's really biggest question we really have to ask. Perhaps we should have another seminar working on that. [laughter] Which is very, very important thing. It really is. Real definition of sanity and insanity, insane.\r\n\r\n\r\nI mean, a lot of the trainings that under psychiatrists that lot of people go to, is they just trying to put you back so that you can earn your living. You could be like anybody else. That's the balance the state of being as they call it. So what is this another idea of spirituality is? What's this? That's really very important question. I mean, there will be answer to it, of course. Like if you go through the philosophical aspect of Buddhism, Christianity, and every other religion talks about, like Buddhism begins terms of dissatisfaction and pain. But it seems that everyone is not particularly dissatisfied. They're quite enjoying their life. But what makes them insane instead of seeing as sane? That's big question, that only could be answered by individual conclusion, it seems. I mean, any kind of stereotype answer is really old hat. [laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488#t=290.0,659.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488/transcript/80084/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: DISCUSSION PART 2]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: It seems that the castle is just one aspect of this desert, and that there must be a lot more that should be explored. And I think that's what you have to [INAUDIBLE]--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes, that's true. That's true, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Maybe just wait for one to arise, like finding the stone.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You see, there is a certain foolish qualities about-- certain naive qualities about it. Building up castle and raise on the ground. But still, we are too naive. [laughs] Something's not enough intelligent. Something isn't quite-- I mean, nothing clicked anyone. Everyone who took part in this battle understood this step by step, whenever there was something to work against with. But when there is-- everything's just gone, there's nothing to work against with. Then...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488#t=659.0,716.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488/transcript/80084/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: DISCUSSION PART 3]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: Maybe there were people there all the time, and the first time you couldn't see the people, you were so involved with the rock, and the possibility of building a castle. And the second time, you could see the people. Is that it? [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Then the possibility is that people might form a castle. Like seeing the first brick [INAUDIBLE] people. [laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: Got you.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488#t=716.0,759.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488/transcript/80084/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: DISCUSSION PART 4]\r\n\r\n\r\nJEREMY HAYWARD: But there is no one left to do anything.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Absolutely none.\r\n\r\n\r\nJEREMY HAYWARD: So all that can happen is that something might grow if it's left alone to look after itself.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Might or might not. [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nJEREMY HAYWARD: There's no one-- well, one can't worry about that.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No, you see, it isn't question of worrying, but it's question of how the such dynamic energy could be used.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488#t=759.0,797.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488/transcript/80084/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: DISCUSSION PART 5]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: Well, we were very thirsty and hot. Perhaps--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: We were.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: --we can make it rain and have a pool of water. And make a well, and have a well. [laughter] [INAUDIBLE]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, somehow that we have to-- I mean, we can't take it literally, what we going to do, but we have to work this with the implication behind it. What is the water represent for?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: Knowledge.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Clarity.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Are we really going to sort of try to survive or not? It's biggest question. If it's a question of survival on this island, then we look for something, maybe. But we have to question that as well.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: Don't we have to find out first if there's a difference between what we've done with our ego and dying? In other words, the only thing that's-- if there's anything left, it's finding out the nature of the great mirage of being alive or being dead. It's not really doing anything more.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488#t=797.0,905.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488/transcript/80084/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: DISCUSSION PART 6]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. Well, another thing that we should work, as I said already, is what was the implication behind this island? What would this island is consist of?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: Other bricks?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Do you remember? At the beginning of this seminar?\r\n\r\n\r\nAUDIENCE: Charnel ground.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Which is made out of what?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: It's completely unqualified in any way. It has no... potential characteristics. It's just completely potential. And...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: But it contains, nevertheless-- it contains, in some way, everything that-- it contained everything that was necessary for the evolution of the castle. It had sunshine going through it. There was energy that's present there. But it was completely unelaborated. I don't know, I--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Why should they be there?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: I have no idea. [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nKUNGA DAWA RICHARD ARTHURE: But the charnel ground, you were saying, is where everything is born and dies.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. Yeah, but that--\r\n\r\n\r\nKUNGA DAWA RICHARD ARTHURE: So, I think-- sorry?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Maybe that's the point.\r\n\r\n\r\nKUNGA DAWA RICHARD ARTHURE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Why we're born and why we die?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: So it's kind of a garden.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Maybe it's a mirage.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488#t=905.0,1005.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488/transcript/80084/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: DISCUSSION PART 7]\r\n\r\n\r\nKUNGA DAWA RICHARD ARTHURE: Well, things still go on.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [laughing] What things? What kind of things?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: There's still a concept of time.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: The outcomes.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: Is there? In the channel?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I'm asking you. [laughs] It sounds like it's--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: How can we know? We've never been in that state. Only you have. So, I mean--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Have I? [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: So, I mean--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: [INAUDIBLE WORDS] since the world is energy,\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Cool it. SPEAKER6 I'll take your word for it that there's energy left, but I would have no idea that there's anything left at all at this point. I mean, you just say there is. So we say, \"Okay, well we'll do something with it.\"\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I mean you can't--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: But I don't know what you're talking about, really. [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's good one. [laughter] Well, we haven't actually-- to our surprise, we haven't actually really took part in the battle of ego for that matter. But we thought we did. [laughs; laughter] It's just seminar, you remember? [laughs; laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: Don't we get a certificate of liberation at the end? [laughter; chatter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488#t=1005.0,1108.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488/transcript/80084/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: DISCUSSION PART 8]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: I don't understand how there could still be a question of survival. I had thought that we'd overcome so much of that. The duality of surviving.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No, not exactly. We haven't. It's not question overcome, but we didn't sort of click to the ground, because there was nothing to click onto. It's continual evolutionary process. We start with existence of energy. Didn't we? The person first find the brick, and they built brick-- inspired to build castle. So whole thing started with something. Started with intelligence as we've said it. But we haven't questioned the background. Well, it's a beautiful place to be nevertheless. It's a situation that there's no anxiety of any kind, there's no idea of struggle at all. The-- all the notion of struggle and duality is be dissolved. That we have reached a certain stage of-- higher stage of even managed to transmute the basic twist of ego. And everything's been accomplished, very successfully. But then, still something exist. What is the something?\r\n\r\n\r\nJEREMY HAYWARD: Compassion.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Um... Yes, but...\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: It's the real you that's left after you get rid of the ego.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What's the-- what is the “it,” let’s say? What's the real you, then? Yeah, that's the big question.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: The \"you\" that's not the \"you.\"\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That sounds very dangerous. [laughter; laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Charnel ground?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes, charnel ground.\r\n\r\n\r\nKUNGA DAWA RICHARD ARTHURE: Presumably, at that stage, that there's no longer any conceptualization, or thought which could divide the space into self and non-self. But there's still intelligence and warmth and energy which-- and there's still, for that matter, there's human being, there's still ability and you-- to see things exactly as they are. And work with those things. I mean, there's still things go on. Everyday, actions would go on.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes, that's good. Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nKUNGA DAWA RICHARD ARTHURE: Without confusion of regarding one's self as a separate actor in the drama.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488#t=1108.0,1341.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488/transcript/80084/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: DISCUSSION PART 9]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. But that energy is operating at what environment? At what kind of situation? It's going back and back, back. If you're operating something, you must be operating at-- in something. In somewhere. And that seems to be the question of the island itself.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: It's a body.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think something subtler than that.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: It's moving freely from inside to outside.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: In what?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: In the space wherever the-- there are no barriers.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: So what is this space? [laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: Expanded.\r\n\r\n\r\nJEREMY HAYWARD: Terminal.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: From where *to* where? [laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: It's nowhere.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Where's \"no\" come from?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: It's everywhere.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Why everywhere?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: Everywhere.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Because it isn't separate from you, from yourself. [laughter; Trungpa Rinpoche laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: I can't untangle that one. [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It's a very simple one.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: You're still existing in your mind, aren't you?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: At this point, you're still existing in your mind, aren't you? Not gone beyond your mind at this point, have you?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Maybe gone beyond. Maybe you have.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: Well, then you can't-- there's no imagination can be-- you know, there's no description that can be possible.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488#t=1341.0,1463.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488/transcript/80084/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: DISCUSSION PART 10]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Then why \"no\"?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: Then why \"no\"?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: I don't know why \"no.\" [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: We can be very serious in our mind.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: What do you mean, \"why no?\"\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [laughing] You know what I mean. [laughter; laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: Is it void?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: Endless void?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: A void, opposed to what?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: Well, not void. [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: Action? Because you're alone?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: Without location in terms of other things. There's no longer, sort of, relativity, in that sense.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You should find out then. Experience yourself.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: Well, anything we call it has to be related to time and space. I mean, it isn't related to time and space.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER: Then we can't name it.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: But, the problem--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: It's something you can't name.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: Something you can't say in words, then.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It's not as mysterious as that. [laughter] Let's not be too woolly. [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: Is it action?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Action?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: It's absurd.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, it--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: Looking on, doing...\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: Clap.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, no, no. I wouldn't say it is particularly action, but it's more like the energy.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: But phasing in. [INAUDIBLE] unaware.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488#t=1463.0,1559.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488/transcript/80084/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: DISCUSSION PART 11]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes, the question is, this question here about the silent. You-- have you heard the other tapes? Or any--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: Just the last one.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. It's the real question about the silent. What does the silence consist of? Made out of what? Charnel ground--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: Seems to be, [INAUDIBLE] patterns of energy, I would say. Patterns of energy evolving.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, well, you see that's biggest question. It's very fundamental in all traditions.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: Seems to me this island would consist of a human being who is now freed of the rat race of ego. Freed from the treadmill of building up things, of striving, or trying to find happiness by rearranging and pushing around the outside environment. Now that he's freed of that, his mind works far more. Instead of maybe a small part-- portion of his mind work with the rest of the possible neuron connections being blocked due to ego needs and ego trips, his mind begins to work very openly in ways it didn't before. He remains in the here and now in a spontaneous manner. He has his senses report far more openly, because again, they don't have to conform to the particular petty needs of the ego. So we have a very beautifully functioning human being, alive in the here and now, in a void state as far as the ego goes, and all of a sudden, life is bliss. It's like, wow, he's there.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's very good description. [chatter; clapping]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488#t=1559.0,1662.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488/transcript/80084/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: DISCUSSION PART 12]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: But, what then? [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: Then whatever is manifested is manifested.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: It's whatever's manifested is manifested. Just the energy of manifestation.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes. But manifested in what? At what? I mean, that sounds duality. But we gone a long way from that.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: But that's why we have an island. That-- why do we have an island? Why is it that-- I thought it was a desert thing. You know, an island-- there's a boundary. Like there's--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: A boundary--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: Yeah, there's a sea and--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --of course, yes--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: --there's the island.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --a boundary. It's a desert island. [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: It's an island.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: A desert island.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: It seems he's got, like, kind of an unlimited possibility. I mean, it just would depend on the situation [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes, of course. But, why unlimited?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: Well, I mean, that would-- could be limited as well. I mean, it could be anything.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It's not just a question of \"could,\" but \"what is.\" [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nJEREMY HAYWARD: So, there's-- so you're saying then that manifestation and non-manifestation go together. Must go together.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nJEREMY HAYWARD: You can't have one and the other.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes?\r\n\r\n\r\nJEREMY HAYWARD: I don't know what that means. [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That sounds presentable. [laughter; laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: Seems like the only thing that can change that is like the storehouse consciousness. You know, like the alaya consciousness.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's what we are talking about. That's what we at. That's what island is.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488#t=1662.0,1785.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488/transcript/80084/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: DISCUSSION PART 13]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: What's been running through my mind for the last few minutes is it has to do with the idea of just the matter of choosing your own death. In other words, overcoming birth and death in that sense of, you know, one particular kind of-- not a particular kind of creation, but a single--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: --a single idea. In other words, that unlimited, perhaps, on the island. But I haven't heard the tapes of it [INAUDIBLE]--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: --unlimited, perhaps, you know. But single, in a certain sense, a united, unified sort of thing.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Overcoming?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Overcoming birth and death. In other words, being able to choose your own death at any point. Knowing that it will go on, whatever it is.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488#t=1785.0,1835.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488/transcript/80084/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: DISCUSSION PART 14]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: But, we need some practical help. [laughs] You see, the process that we're going through is each move of the battle of the castle is based on a particular experience of meditative state. And we got as far as the moment of working-- unmasking the basic twist of ego and the basic ultimate lie of ego by leap. So that's where we are at in moment. We leapt already. But we found ourselves in midst of island, middle of this desert, having leapt already. It's the subtleties of experience. What really the next moment could be. If we leapt, we feel spacious quality, spaced out. And having already leapt, then we find ourselves to-- in this ground. And this ground must be consist of something. What's wrong with the leap, in other words?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: What's wrong with what?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Leap. What's the incomplete quality of the leap?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: It stopped.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: We haven't landed yet?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: We haven't landed.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: We haven't landed, but we found ourselves in this desert after the leap.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: Well, the incomplete quality is that we don't see the rest of the world.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: Or we're still from somewhere to somewhere.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488#t=1835.0,1969.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488/transcript/80084/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: DISCUSSION PART 15]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes, why? Then-- that's why-- I mean that's why I'm saying, \"Why no?\" And, \"Why transcend?\" That's the biggest thing.\r\n\r\n\r\nJEREMY HAYWARD: You have to leap back again. [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER: It's very hard to jump back.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Can't we just continue--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: You have to throw away your shoes.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: --continue leaping?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Can't you just continue leaping?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Continue leaping? [audience chatter] But then, you're-- it seems to be that you're back to karma then. If you're going to continuous leap, then you are back to the karmic chain reactions.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Why?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Because you have to leap from here to there, to there, to there.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Well, no, I mean it's *one* extended leap. You don't stop--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: [laughing] Oh, eternal leap. [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Well, in other words, you're just kind of clambering around in the void.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: But what's happened with the sunset and the sunrise and all these colorful things that's goes on? [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Still there.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It's sort of permanent vacation. [laughter; laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: Yeah, you just sit and watch the sunset and sunrise.\r\n\r\n\r\nJEREMY HAYWARD: Well, by that time you *are* the sunset and the sunrise, so you have to rise and set. [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Some vacation. [laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488#t=1969.0,2068.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488/transcript/80084/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: DISCUSSION PART 16]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: There's something. There's something to work on, what Kesang said, the nowness, which is a leap itself. But then, why now? That's next question.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: That's all there ever is. [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [laughing] That's not very generous thing to say. [laughter; laughs] Well, it's very beautiful thing and very obvious. If you work this way, why now? Now seems to be the island. I'll give you a clue. The desert is now. [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: Because, in order to get from anywhere else, you need a lot of bricks, you need to build a bridge out of bricks. And you've apparently run out of energy for that. You're not interested in that anymore. So you're *stuck* [laughing] in fact.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, this could happen. People could stuck in the leap. It becomes like a slow motion film. [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Since it's an evolutionary process and there's-- when you get there, you know the next step.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488#t=2068.0,2181.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488/transcript/80084/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: DISCUSSION PART 17]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes, but you have to forget something. You have to overcome something. We are still on the battle, in matter of fact.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: You have to forget there's an island. You have to create--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I wouldn't say--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Maybe you have to forget that you and your teacher are separate, and that you're your own teacher now. How that there's no-- there's just a teacher. There's no problem about learning while you're taught by your...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That seems to be a sort of, in this case, a domestic matter. [laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: A what matter?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: A domestic. [laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: I don't understand.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It's something where we’re concerned with your relationship to teacher. That what we are looking is, in this case, is something broader, something wider.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: If you're on this island, you're isolated from whatever is beyond the island. And you're, you know, limited in some kind of way. I mean, what do you do, walk-- get to the end of the island, go to the next island, stay on this island? What's outside this island?\r\n\r\n\r\nJEREMY HAYWARD: You said this island is now.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nJEREMY HAYWARD: What about a past and future? I mean, aren't they included?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes, in the now.\r\n\r\n\r\nJEREMY HAYWARD: Yeah. That's what I mean.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Can't you extend the now to the eternal?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Now *is* eternal.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: But not if it's an island.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Once the first now has happened, originally, I think, I would say, [INAUDIBLE] as authority: where there's a \"now,\" automatically then there is a \"past\" and a \"future\". So in fact, \"now\" doesn't seem to be all that beautiful idea at all. [laughter; laughs] Nowness could be terrible thing. [laughter; laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: Wow. [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: It’s a qualitative difference.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Sorry?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: It's a qualitative difference.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488#t=2181.0,2343.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488/transcript/80084/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: DISCUSSION PART 18]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: When you're in the now, do you still have your karma?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think so. I mean, it's depends on the relationship to the now. This what we are talking about. If now is the center, then there will be-- that is the seed of the karma.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: Right.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: If now is not the center, then it cease to become now.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Well, what can you do--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: Could nowness–-\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: --except recognize whatever, you know, that energy? And through, perhaps, through recognition, that...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, recognition seems to be very dualistic, this case, as a separate subject. Recognize. Somehow, still, hasn't become one, completely, properly. And because of it, then there is something recognize.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: So then, there's nothing to recognize on the island.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: On the island.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: On the island.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, that's question.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488#t=2343.0,2407.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488/transcript/80084/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: DISCUSSION PART 19]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: Well, in making a leap, there was still an-- some kind of a-- well, there was still a dualistic intention with this. There's still...\r\n\r\n\r\nJEREMY HAYWARD: There's a leaper and the leaping.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: There was still a... it has-- there-- somehow or other, the consciousness was still behaving on behalf of itself.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes, that's true. It is. Yeah, very much so. It could be very refined and highly sophisticated one, maybe, but still that's that’s true, yes. That's what we really at.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: That's what what?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's what we really at. You know, trying to work out on that thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488#t=2407.0,2463.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488/transcript/80084/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: DISCUSSION PART 20]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: Does the idea of the bodhisattva come in anywhere around here? Now? [laughs; laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, the idea of bodhisattva started continuously. This driving force to destroy the castle of ego is act of bodhisattva continuously.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Is the nowness that we're talking about now, a solid nowness?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It seems to be; it's a big island. In fact a beautiful one in a way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488#t=2463.0,2504.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488/transcript/80084/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: DISCUSSION PART 21]\r\n\r\n\r\nJEREMY HAYWARD: Maybe in that somehow in the leap, something else has to rise up. It's-- the consciousness is still acting on its own behalf, and it's leaping. Obviously, there's nothing that *it* can do. So the mainland, maybe -- that's the island, the mainland has to come to meet the island. To rise up. As the consciousness leaps, something has to rise to meet it.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER: They could merge too.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well it seems to be the subtle attitude of the leap itself, almost which gave birth back to the-- land yourself back to the island. You see, everything's evolutionary process. So there's the quality of the leap. And the leap, this particular leap, the manner of leap, gave birth to the island. In other word, it's reincarnation of the island. It's quite different island than the one before.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: The other one was just sand, and it was just level, and there were no hills--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I mean, physically it could be identical.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: Okay, but it was not beautiful before, and now it is.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: As well.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488#t=2504.0,2592.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488/transcript/80084/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: DISCUSSION PART 22]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Want to say something?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: I was thinking-- I mean, if \"now\"-- if the quality of \"now\" is-- rather than a *solid* thing, but *processes*, just the movement of energies. And it stops having that island quality. I mean, that because of the continuing charnel ground quality of it, there's always motion, [INAUDIBLE] change.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, the basic thing is that... some kind of ambition goes on all the time, still. Which could be said in terms of non-dualistic in primeval intelligence and all the rest of it. But there's some kind of ambition going on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488#t=2592.0,2645.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488/transcript/80084/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: DISCUSSION PART 23]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: If we think of building a bridge between the island and everything else in the world, or universe by [Trungpa Rinpoche laughs] a bridge of peace and joy, equanimity of...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I don't think that's a problem-- island is a problem as such really. And from the other point of view that you can't-- you're not inspired to build anything. Bridge or castle, same thing. Then you have to put someone to maintain this bridge. And this involves further extension of the island, which is exactly the same as, either you built up or extend. It seems to be same thing as the building of ego itself.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488#t=2645.0,2698.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488/transcript/80084/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: DISCUSSION PART 24]\r\n\r\n\r\nJEREMY HAYWARD: But is it like a very bright light that has to be willing to turn on and that knows-- somehow knows that beside its light there's also blackness?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I don't understand. What you mean?\r\n\r\n\r\nJEREMY HAYWARD: Well, the amb-- you said it's always ambition--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Ambition, yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nJEREMY HAYWARD: That seems to me like the ambition of just being-- of being. Being like a bright light, of being.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm?\r\n\r\n\r\nJEREMY HAYWARD: And maybe the light, or the island, or the whole thing has to be willing to turn off.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, ambition is not spontaneous one, it’s-- this case. It's a--\r\n\r\n\r\nJEREMY HAYWARD: [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --logical, physical situation. Ambition.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Well what is the nature of the ambition or the desire, whatever, at the time of the leap?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: One is conscious of the leap.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488#t=2698.0,2757.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488/transcript/80084/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: DISCUSSION PART 25]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: Why do we speak of the leap? That [INAUDIBLE]. There's something about the leap that seems a bit strange to me in a way.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's true.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: I mean, it's a good image first of all. But then, if you look at it, I mean, it's not very good.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, it does.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: Is it the consciousness of this leap that, like, causes the rebirth of the island?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It does, yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: Well, then if the island's been reborn, then that island is going to have to die again. Is there some way that, like, that something can be created without being destroyed? I mean, there has to be something-- some attitude that won't cause the rebirth again.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That sounds very sneaky. [laughter; laughs] Then you build another-- your-- another version of island.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: Is that-- is this endless, then? This constant rebirth and rebirth?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: But once you try to interfere with the process of rebirth, you're trying to channel them different ways, then you have to still speak the same language.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: As what?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: The same language as the duality, sort of chain reaction process.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488#t=2757.0,2846.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488/transcript/80084/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: DISCUSSION PART 26]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: Could this leap be considered as compassion?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think it is compassionate anyway. The whole thing gets very subtle.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Or is it born of desire? I mean, is it desire? Or absence of desire?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Which is saying the same thing. Compassion is desire.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Compassion *is* desire? [Trungpa Rinpoche laughs] [INAUDIBLE].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488#t=2846.0,2869.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488/transcript/80084/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: DISCUSSION PART 27]\r\n\r\n\r\nJEREMY HAYWARD: Still, in everything, we're all saying different qualities. So it seems like, that there needs to be in this the willingness just not to have any qualities at all, not to even to exist.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's what I mean. The ambition, yes. That's right, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: Is that like a leap without landing at all? Just...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It could be. But if you remember thing I been talking about that-- your first question, about relationship of awake. Awakened-- enlightenment comes second hand.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Have there been people who have been born awake?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Supposedly. But then, later on, he's known as the primeval awakened one, because the others are not primeval ones. \"Samantabhadra,\" \"all good.\" He is known as the first Buddha, primeval Buddha. Actually, he isn't a Buddha at all. He's just an ordinary being. But, when the others have confused, then he's known as the Buddha. And when they liberated. [laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488#t=2869.0,2970.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488/transcript/80084/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: DISCUSSION PART 28]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: There's some kind of a realization of original myth of the consciousness' own original nature has to take place. Some tube has to [laughing] blow out of it. [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Some tube?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: No, but it's-- what I mean is that... [laughter] before-- up until now, especially with the leap, he was climbing out of confusion. And always, as you were saying, relating in everything he did, to confusion, to ignorance. But at this point, the possibility exists to relate to, at least logically, to relate to that out of which ignorance reflected itself. And so, in relating to this original unqualified whatever it is, there-- that it's-- finally makes relationship with itself, without--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mmm, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: --veils.\r\n\r\n\r\nJEREMY HAYWARD: Well, could it be that, that when you've landed you find that it was the same island, and that there was-- I mean, this business of there never having been any question of enlightenment. You keep saying that there never was any enlightenment anyway.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Quite. Yes. That's what I'm trying to get at.\r\n\r\n\r\nJEREMY HAYWARD: So, when you land, you realize that there wasn't anything to do anyway.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488#t=2970.0,3081.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488/transcript/80084/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: DISCUSSION PART 29]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: But that applies to something else, isn’t it? Which is-- I think we'd better get at the subject then. [laughs] Which is, the castle of ego's never been raised down to the ground at all. There was no castle, there was no king. In fact, a battle never took place at all. So there's no ambition. [laughs; laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: Oh wow.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER: Uh-oh.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: [laughs] So it is egolessness. I mean, if there was a battle, then it is ego, isn't it? There was ego, they would destroyed ego. But you remember at the beginning, we had discussions. We were talking about, it's not question of how to deal with ego, but just examine whether ego does exist or not. It's that particular question that the battle never really took place. So you haven't lost, you haven't gained anything. So you haven't in fact awakened. So no ambitions. And there's no frustration what to do next. [laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: It all makes beautiful sense, Rinpoche. [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: It all made beautiful sense! [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: Oh, wow. [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: But then, what are we all doing right now? Right at this moment?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: We're having seminar on it. [laughter; laughs] It's a bedtime story. [loud laughter; laughs] \"Once upon a time, there was an island...\" [laughter; laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Where's the milk and cookies, hmm? [laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488#t=3081.0,3252.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488/transcript/80084/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: DISCUSSION PART 30]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: And I think about the question of nowness, again, in a certain higher teachings in Tibetan tradition talks in terms of the fourth moment. Of course, which could go up to hundredth moment, I suppose. [laughter; laughs] Which is an attempt to show there's more than past, present, and future. I say just *attempt*, by saying \"number four.\" [laughter] Which is the-- you see, if you are being in the nowness, then you're dwelling on something. You're dwelling on here, now. Therefore, you're providing a seat, landmark. And that landmark could be seeing the different profiles. In one profile could be said past, and another profile could be said future.\r\n\r\n\r\nSo the fourth moment is not dwelling on any particular situation at all. In other word, exactly the same thing what we say, that the battle never took place, so you don't dwell on any success or any achievement. So which is, in fact, a tremendous relief that the battle never really never took place at all. No one attain enlightenment. No one confused. Because no one attain enlightenment, no one confused. It's such a relief.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488#t=3252.0,3381.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488/transcript/80084/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: DISCUSSION PART 31]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: But at this point, it seems to me that everything is purely academic. I mean, if there's no suchness, something's lacking. Just projections of our own mind. Very few people were at that-- none-- actually no one went that far. So actually, they are really fantasies of our own mind, perhaps. It's not really--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Fantasies what?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: Of our own minds. That have nothing to do with reality. It's merely a wishful thinking of this ultimate reality, or whatever you call it. Or-- we don't know.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: We don't know what?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: Because there weren't any travelers over there to come back and tell us about such states. Or there were? [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It could be said fantasy, yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: In other words, projections of our own mind. Figments of the [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's fine, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488#t=3381.0,3442.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488/transcript/80084/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: DISCUSSION PART 32]\r\n\r\n\r\nJEREMY HAYWARD: You know, I'd really, I mean, that, coming back-- you still haven't answered my question, as to what's-- we put it, like... What's the difference between a human and a cat, as such? Or, a human and-- I mean, why all this fuss about being? What are you teaching? You know what I mean? [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What's the difference between?\r\n\r\n\r\nJEREMY HAYWARD: Well, between an awakened person and an animal, say, has no-- well an animal, or a man who lives on a totally animal level. Total ignorance, complete ignorance.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What's the difference between that opposed to...?\r\n\r\n\r\nJEREMY HAYWARD: To awakened?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: To awakened?\r\n\r\n\r\nJEREMY HAYWARD: Which...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I mean in this stage, the words becomes very complicated.\r\n\r\n\r\nJEREMY HAYWARD: Words?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. But the total ignorant is sleep.\r\n\r\n\r\nJEREMY HAYWARD: Sleep...\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: And enlightenment is awake. I mean, it sounds silly to say that, isn't it? Quite obvious. So this is a problem of words. Some of words begin to become very clumsy and so sloppy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488#t=3442.0,3558.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488/transcript/80084/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: DISCUSSION PART 33]\r\n\r\n\r\nJEREMY HAYWARD: Mhmm. Well, maybe I could put this question slightly differently. Would it be-- would it be right to think that if I could *really* be convinced, completely convinced that there was no enlightenment-- I mean, if now, this present state of looking for enlightenment, I could really convince myself, or someone could convince me that there was no such thing as enlightenment, I didn't have to worry about it. I didn't have-- don't bother anymore.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I mean, that isn't the point.\r\n\r\n\r\nJEREMY HAYWARD: Would that be the same thing?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No, that isn't the point.\r\n\r\n\r\nJEREMY HAYWARD: That's just going back so sleep?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes. That isn't the point. Because then, you have already target, anyway, in your mind. Convinced yourself it's another process. You see, idea is that all these efforts that we put in the path are the problems that we created to ourselves. We don't have to attain enlightenment as such. We only have to remove the problems. You see what I mean?\r\n\r\n\r\nJEREMY HAYWARD: Very well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488#t=3558.0,3629.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488/transcript/80084/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: DISCUSSION PART 34]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I have told this story, this particular story, several times. But I would think it would be interesting to say. Is that, there was a family-- this is tantric story. There's a family, and the son is always with the mother, his mother. He never saw his father. And... but mother keeps on talking about the tremendous, wonderful qualities about the father, his father. Such beautiful person he was, and all sorts of attributes, beautiful characteristic of his father. And the son grow older. Eight years old. And son heard so much about his father, that he really desperately wanted to go and visit this famous, mythical father. Wonderful person. Really begin to miss him, tremendously. Irritated very much by it. And son is really very much in-- he insists on that mother must take him to the-- to meet his father. And finally mother decide to say, \"Yes, well I'll take you to meet your father. This beautiful father of yours.\" And they went out of the front door, and walked, climb up mountains, climb down, ford rivers, and ladders, and steps. A very difficult path, dangerous traveling process. And, as they came around, they saw a house in the valley, in the down in the valley, and then, she said, \"This is the house of your father.\" They climbed down. And this time, and they entered the back door.\r\n\r\n\r\nJEREMY HAYWARD: Hmm. Of the same house?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Just a minute. [laughter; laughs] And then, they opened the door, entered into a room where this father sits. And son was so joyous to meet this-- at last, this father. Famous father. Extremely excited. And he just, sort of, sat and talk. And a little while later, that son has begin to walk around the father's room. Begin to check all the cupboards and doors. And he-- the son opens another door and looks out. And this is familiar home that they were before. Son realizes-- son suddenly realized that they were exactly the same house. But it was such mixed feeling of disappointment as well as excitement. The meeting of the father, as well as, \"That I shouldn't-- I needn't made this journey.\" [laughter; laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nThat's like the building of a castle. You see, the whole idea is that we build the problems, but problems have no substance. If you really detached-- I don't mean philosophically, but if you really see the transparent quality of the emotional problems, such as like, even the ignorance is very heavy and powerful thing. But if you don't ignore and just let them pass through or identify with ignorance, in other word, then automatically, that by unveiling the problems, awake is there already.\r\n\r\n\r\nAnd of course, that's not the really the end of the journey alone at all. Then there seem to be discovery of the colorful aspect of situation of life, which goes sort of as tantric teaching. But this teaching could only received, or understood properly, otherwise it become obstacle known as \"self-secret.\" No one is kept away from you but you hadn't-- you can't hear properly. It's self-secret. Because it's self-secret because that you haven't given up the ambition, which provides tremendous obstacle. When you given up the obstacles as problem, see them as a problem rather than obstacle as such, the idea of obstacles as problem, rather than real obstacles, and then the whole wall between you and the situation had been removed, tremendous one. And the energies that worked with such situation is the vividness of the colorful aspect of world. And there really you sort of mingle with energies.\r\n\r\n\r\nI'm sure that you have heard the destroyers that comes in the THE TIBETAN BOOK OF THE DEAD. Talking about the wrathful and peaceful deities, and the relationship on all this. As long as if you regard them as something external, connected with ambition, then you fail to see it. But when you see there is colorful aspect of the situation, then it's another kind of world of its own. But that doesn't mean to say that you be taken away from your everyday life problems. Because everyday life situations *are* the colorful aspect of life. They're continue inspiration. So it's the same as the Zen story of like the ox-herding stories. And it says at the end, \"There's no herdsman, there's no ox.\" And the next picture says they're \"returning to the world with a fat belly.\"\r\n\r\n\r\nAnd the battle of ego is completed. As well as the year of ego is now at its end. Tomorrow is going to be new year. So we start on another journey.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: We got rid of our nonexistent miseries.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488#t=3629.0,4096.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488/transcript/80084/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: DISCUSSION PART 35]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: [Whispering] [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No? There is a talk? [laughter; chatter] What's the date today?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER15: It's the thirtieth.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Thirty-first? [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: What’s the name of the next [UNCLEAR: chapter?]? What's it going to be--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: We don't know.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: You could pick a name tomorrow.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: We don't know. [laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488#t=4096.0,4176.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488/transcript/80084/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: DISCUSSION PART 36]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think it would be nice if you could discuss-- if everybody could contribute something tomorrow in our time for seminar. That something-- the whole evolutionary process of battle of ego in terms of individual experience, which is what we are interested in, really. That whole thing is that not-- shouldn't be based on just purely giving philosophical discourse or theory of something. But I try to keep as close as possible, in spite of the conversations, discussions, that trying to keep back to the technique of meditation process all the time. The-- all the stages of battle of ego took place in terms of meditation practice. And each pattern of sudden enlightenment, sudden awake, of this-- for this-- dealing with each situations. Until the last moment of awake, that there was no such thing as battle. Which is the-- seems to be the ultimate, last battle of all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488#t=4176.0,4284.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488/transcript/80084/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: DISCUSSION PART 37]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: Can't we slip through the connecting door? Do we have to go out and take that whole long journey?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Hmm?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: Isn't there a door in between the two parts of the house we can slip through?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Which house? The battle?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: The house that we--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Went around?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: --to find the father.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I don't think you would appreciate your father. [laughter; laughs] Not taking enough time, roundabout way. [laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: That seems what drugs are for.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I mean, you may be able to see him. Just simply making hole in the wall. [laughter] But somehow that's-- that's not enough, that--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488#t=4284.0,4330.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488/transcript/80084/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: DISCUSSION PART 38]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: Rinpoche, isn't that a lot like drug experience?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mmm?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: Isn't that, you know, finding a little trap door in the wall and seeing the father before you made the big journey, very much like drug experience?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You may not go on the journey?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: Yeah, like all of a sudden a big door opens up and you just see right through, and somehow you haven't made the journey. So you come-- the door closes up.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well that seems to be the problem of it, yes. It's a sort of magnified desire, which opens a door, but somehow it doesn't say the same thing as things done it manually. Like people prefer to walk rather than travel in the motorcars. And they rather have log fires rather than electric heaters. It's sort of something done manually is properly, means more and more complete and healthy thing than something happens automatically. So there's no shortcut, short path, or sudden enlightenment at all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488#t=4330.0,4409.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488/transcript/80084/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: DISCUSSION PART 39]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: If the same happens without drugs, whose fault is it [INAUDIBLE]?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Can you say that again?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: If the same happens, like door open, closing in between, without drugs, then whose fault is it?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You mean the fault of the mother or fault of the son?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: No, he was just mentioning now, the thing that sometimes, before the person has gone the whole journey, there's a little trap door in the wall that opens and closes when one takes-- can be on drugs. Then you said there, \"Well, that's the problem about it.\" What about when there is no drug involved in it?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You mean the spontaneous one?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Without using drugs?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: Yeah. Meaning that, in fact, it's already along the journey. Or is it just [INAUDIBLE]--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, it's either completely superficial kind of-- what you call? What's the word? What's the word?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: Illumination?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No, artificial sort of thing.\r\n\r\n\r\nJEREMY HAYWARD: Hallucination.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It's artificial--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: Simulation?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. Simulation, artificial thing. You *could* see the glimpse of the father by going into a particular state of discipline. You could work yourself up and go to trance of some kind.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: Well, what if they don't do this and it still happens? [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That sounds very odd character. [laughs] But still I think the gradual journey must take place.\r\n\r\n\r\nJEREMY HAYWARD: Is that what some yoga technique, or some-- I don't know, especially. But some techniques are designed to work oneself up, just to get these glimpses.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It seems, yes. Not only yoga practices, but culture of meditation of modern school have started now in the East, particularly. Have people, teachers, certain teachers promise enlightenment experience in four weeks. [laughter] And they do get enlight-- attain enlightenment for a few weeks. But there's tremendous come down [laughter] afterwards.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: Would that be hypnosis?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: No, it's more simple than that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488#t=4409.0,4562.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488/transcript/80084/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: DISCUSSION PART 40]\r\n\r\n\r\nJEREMY HAYWARD: Is this process that we've been through, is this-- you-- sometimes you've said it's automatic. I mean, is it inevitable? Is it-- and just, it depends on how hard we work. Is that right?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, not quite. You see, it's not gymnastic thing. [laughter] And it's depends on if you see the glimpse from right perspective view rather than how hard we work towards it. Because here, you see, remember the original idea was not building up, but discovering one. So it's like, it's like trying to have the complete glimpse of moonshine through different apertures of clouds. So it's very much of-- I mean, this case it is automatic and sudden experience as far as experience itself concerned. But still one have to overcome this ambition, and one have to fool oneself in some sense.\r\n\r\n\r\nJEREMY HAYWARD: Well, I was talking more about the process that we've described in this seminar.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm?\r\n\r\n\r\nJEREMY HAYWARD: This whole thing. And the real one, not the artificial one. Is that-- what I mean is, what-- let's take us here, now. I mean, how should we view it, that if we don't work, we might sort of go in some horrible-- go in some wrong direction? Or that this process is inevitable, and that working will just help it?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I trust everybody, and that's why every wording has been carefully said, so that this doesn't become another form of artificial simulation. But it should apply to everyone, with my limited scope, of course. But this seems to be the-- largely, I'm not trying to talk in terms of preaching, but based on my own experience of discovery, it's very much of that, of the process of journey of ego. Which doesn't mean, of course, saying that I am enlightened by any means. [laughs] But this way of looking at seems to be the only... by not using any other exotic techniques, visualizations or ceremonies of any kind. But this direct way of looking at the situation is very much closer to the reality, so to speak, ultimate thing.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: Sounds a lot like Krishnamurti's approach. Krishnamurti, is it similar?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Or Mao Zedong? [laughter; laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: \"The Great Leap\".","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488#t=4562.0,4793.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488/transcript/80084/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: DISCUSSION PART 41]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: Why is it a common tantric practice to say mantras and do prostrations? Or, let's say just to say mantras?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Why what?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: Why is it a tantric practice to say mantras and to become involved in a lot of--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: Ceremonies.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: --let's say, yeah, breathing techniques, ceremonies, things like that?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, that seems to be very much depend on the individuals. Individuals with a particular background. I think, in particularly, not freelance disciples. That is to say, that disciples have already trained in the tradition, already had some pattern of experience connected with the social structure, like being born in Tibet in two hundred years ago. Or being born in Japan in medieval times, or in China. But, in the West, people are very freelance inclined. People have gone through their own problems, they have no culture to relate themselves with, exactly. I mean, they might have some, but these cultures didn't mean very much to them than the individual style. It's like same style as the-- as a chicken raised in a nest, and one-- when one can fly, just flies away, look for his own food. And in the West, there's a tremendous-- this kind of self-process of searching, which provide already automatic ground. So therefore, it doesn't-- you don't have to introduce other colorful techniques and practices to them, as such. Although they might have some fascination towards it, being exotic, come from foreign country, foreign product. [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: Made in Tibet. [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: But that seems to be the only-- I mean, if any teacher's trying to hit that particular point, if any teacher is making any emphasis on the exotic foreign product qualities, then that seems to be the-- you're hitting the weak part of the audience, weak part of the students. Because the fascination is so gullible thing. You could tell them to stand on their head, on the street. [laughter] You could be told them anything, to do anything. [laughter] Because you're hitting their weak point. [laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: Can Hare Krishnas speak on this?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You're hitting the weak point, which is, [laughter] in a sense, I could say very criminal, really. It's not compassionate act. And some symbolism, as well as mantra practice, and the whole trip, so to speak, is beautiful thing. People might be ready for it, having gone through-- prepared their own background of rehabilitating their state of mind into sanity, basic sanity. Which we all suffer from it, the insanity. And once the whole-- the situation is established properly, so their mind is completely open and clear. Like the end of this seminar what we talking about the-- you realize that all the problems are created by you, rather than you have to build up enlightenment experience as such. When person has actually reached that point of understanding, *then* that's the time to introduce the symbolism and other things. Which comes spontaneously to them, as well. I mean, it doesn't-- by that time, the teaching doesn't become colorful anymore; it becomes *real* and obvious thing. So person don't work on the... novelty anymore.\r\n\r\n\r\nYou see, novelty is one of the biggest barriers, seems to be particularly. As the Indians criticize the Tibetans in the past, in the middle ages, says that Indians are satisfied with one divinity, and the Tibetans being fooled by a hundred divinities. [laughter] Which is quite true, that all the hundreds of translators, like Marpa and others gone to India just purely get new text that your neighbor translators didn't have. They just went, spent all that much of gold and effort and energy purely in order to get another text, another technique. So it becomes sort of marketplace. And that there's a tendency of this might happen in this country as well of course. It is seems to be the age of particularly transplanting spirituality of Eastern knowledge into the West.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488#t=4793.0,5137.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488/transcript/80084/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: DISCUSSION PART 42]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: So are things like the sutras way beyond our understanding? Texts like the sutras, or the discourses?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I don't think-- in particular, sutras are very down to earth, and they're very matter of fact. In fact, they're overwhelmingly literal, simple-minded way. [laughs] Which is good. Sort of brings person down to earth level. Sutras and the basic teachings are very, very good and suitable as long as we don't get to this fancy stuff.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488#t=5137.0,5193.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488/transcript/80084/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: CLOSING REMARKS]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Good. Perhaps we should stop there. I hope you have your contribution tomorrow. [laughter] That would be very wonderful. [laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488#t=5193.0,5209.4955"}]},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488/transcript/80085","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["19701230VCTR1-Captions [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488/transcript/80085/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ARP SLATE: This is the\nVenerable Chogyam\nTrungpa 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1970.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488#t=7.79,13.33"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488/transcript/80085/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"This is an ARP digital remaster\nmade October 2005.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488#t=13.33,20.55"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488/transcript/80085/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It's continual\nprocess of 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situation,\nthat--","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488#t=63.57,76.54"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488/transcript/80085/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the old intelligence\nbeing put through","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488#t=80.2,85.25"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488/transcript/80085/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"starting from the beginning\nof building up the castle","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488#t=85.25,94.37"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488/transcript/80085/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"as well as the accommodating\nthese characters in the castle","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488#t=94.37,106.64"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488/transcript/80085/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"and submerging these\ndualistic inspired 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Mhmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488#t=1341.0,1343.33"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488/transcript/80085/annotation/308","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"But that energy is operating\nat what environment?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488#t=1350.05,1359.38"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488/transcript/80085/annotation/309","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"At what kind of situation?\nIt's going back and back, 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[laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488#t=3186.35,3190.7"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488/transcript/80085/annotation/726","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER8: But then,\nwhat are we all doing right now?\nRight at this moment?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488#t=3191.34,3194.48"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2230/collection_resources/148904/file/273488/transcript/80085/annotation/727","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: We're having\nseminar on it.\n[laughter; 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