{"@context":"http://iiif.io/api/presentation/3/context.json","id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/iiif/v11vd6r41h/manifest","type":"Manifest","label":{"en":["1971-03-04: University of Colorado: Class 6: Wisdom"]},"logo":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/209/original/cti-library-logo-blue-text.png?1672724952","metadata":[{"label":{"en":["Date"]},"value":{"en":["1971-03-04"]}},{"label":{"en":["Format"]},"value":{"en":["Audio"]}},{"label":{"en":["Location"]},"value":{"en":["Boulder, Colorado, USA"]}},{"label":{"en":["Event Type"]},"value":{"en":["University of Colorado Course"]}},{"label":{"en":["Seminar or Series Title"]},"value":{"en":["\u003ca href=\"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/playlists/613/show\"\u003eUniversity of Colorado Spring 1971\u003c/a\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Talk Title"]},"value":{"en":["Class 6: Wisdom"]}},{"label":{"en":["Theme"]},"value":{"en":["Buddhist Mahayana"]}},{"label":{"en":["Summary"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eWide-ranging group discussion loosely tied to the topic of wisdom. Students ask a number of interesting questions, with lively back-and-forth conversation and pithy responses from Trungpa Rinpoche on a variety of topics. These include: beginner’s mind; Milarepa’s trials; meditation as a basic human need; egolessness in the context of modern American society; the Buddhist approach to suffering; and “idiot compassion” (helping people in ways that make them dependent on the assistance). Rinpoche gives a profound description of the shunyata principle and its development through meditation. He also emphasizes the importance of experiential learning, beyond purely intellectual pursuits, even in academic settings. Q\u0026amp;A Highlight: Question 19: Rinpoche provides a fascinating perspective on his escape from Tibet.\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publication"]},"value":{"en":["UNPUBLISHED"]}},{"label":{"en":["Transcription Credits"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eDec 17 2018 to Jan 19 2020 Transcribing: Ella Milligan Checking: Matilda Perks Final Proof: Travis May, Anne Seidlitz, Matilda Perks Terminology Review: Matilda Perks Other Contributors: Warner Dick, Lynn Friedman\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003e© Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Year"]},"value":{"en":["1971"]}}],"summary":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eWide-ranging group discussion loosely tied to the topic of wisdom. Students ask a number of interesting questions, with lively back-and-forth conversation and pithy responses from Trungpa Rinpoche on a variety of topics. These include: beginner\u0026rsquo;s mind; Milarepa\u0026rsquo;s trials; meditation as a basic human need; egolessness in the context of modern American society; the Buddhist approach to suffering; and \u0026ldquo;idiot compassion\u0026rdquo; (helping people in ways that make them dependent on the assistance). Rinpoche gives a profound description of the shunyata principle and its development through meditation. He also emphasizes the importance of experiential learning, beyond purely intellectual pursuits, even in academic settings. Q\u0026amp;A Highlight: Question 19: Rinpoche provides a fascinating perspective on his escape from Tibet.\u003c/p\u003e"]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003e\u0026copy; Diana J. Mukpo - All rights reserved -\u0026nbsp;Not to be Distributed or Reproduced\u003c/p\u003e"]}},"provider":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["Chogyam Trungpa Digital Library"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["Chogyam Trungpa Digital Library"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/209/original/cti-library-logo-blue-text.png?1672724952","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/293/546/small/Logo-Audio-Red.png?1759344599","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161697/file/293546","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 1 - open-uri20251001-2006876-pychx.mpga"]},"duration":3369.95265,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/293/546/small/Logo-Audio-Red.png?1759344599","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161697/file/293546/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161697/file/293546/content/1/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-cti.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/293/546/original/open-uri20251001-2006876-pychx.mpga?1759343349","type":"Audio","format":"audio/mpeg","duration":3369.95265,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161697/file/293546","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161697/file/293546/transcript/84998","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["19710304VCTR1-Transcript [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161697/file/293546/transcript/84998/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[19710304VCTR1 - 1971 University of Colorado Classes - Talk 6]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. Mukpo All Rights Reserved - Not to be Distributed or Reproduced]\r\n\r\n\r\nARP SLATE: This is the Venerable Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, University of Colorado classes 1971. This will be Talk Six, March 4th. This is an ARP digital remaster made January 2006.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161697/file/293546#t=0.0,20.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161697/file/293546/transcript/84998/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 1]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: First we could discuss with the questions that you have come through, or that answers that you have, in connected with our last questions that we wanted to work on.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: I have a question. I think it was the first talk was you mentioned there was four things necessary for human life: food, sleep, meditation and what was the other? I can't recall the other one.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Taking care of body.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: So it's food, sleep, and what, health or--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Health, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: -- and meditation?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Meditation.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: And-- plus, I have a question then about the first three. Health, food, and sleep relate to the body. Does meditation relate to the body also or does--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It does, because it deals with the basic state of psychology. If that does not be dealt with, then the rest of them could be also neurotic, irregular. There's a tendency of neglecting one's self.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: And it also plays psychological roles too.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: As well, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: But all four are essential?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: And then what do you mean by \"essential\"? Because some people-- I mean, obviously, the first three are essential or else a person will die. But why is meditation essential?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Person will die. [Laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER1: [Laughs] Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161697/file/293546#t=20.0,190.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161697/file/293546/transcript/84998/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 2]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: If you say I'll die because-- if I don't meditate, then what-- am I meditating all the time and don't know it?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What? [laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: If you say I'll die because if I don't meditate, am I meditating all the time, and not realizing it?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Not necessarily, but one have to work on one's basic neurosis-ism-- neuroticism. Unless you're not able to work with that, then there's quite a possibility that you might kill yourself or you might freak yourself up. [Laughter] You see, a spiritual search -- \"quote quote\" -- isn't all that particularly important. But it's a basic *need* what we have to do with ourselves, which means spirituality in terms of what is needed to be done with our basic psychology, basic health of mind. That's spirituality is really boiled down to, in terms of meditation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161697/file/293546#t=190.0,262.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161697/file/293546/transcript/84998/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 3]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: Well, getting-- well I guess we're kind of getting back to the spiral in everything, the ego development. One of the things-- like I felt really enlightened after last time. [Laughs] And one of the things that bothered me was that in our American culture, civilization, there's a lot of stress put on the ego, and your interactions with other people. And it's as if you *have* to develop the ego like society says, in order for you to be able to get along with everyone. If you don't, if you have a faulty ego, then you might be locked up in an insane asylum or something. And, so, for like Americans, given the culture and the civilization we live in, I don't think it's possible for us to erase that spiral without coming to death in relationship to our culture and civilization.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I wouldn't let that at all.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Great. [laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I wouldn't, because that doesn't mean you have to deny the whole thing what is been happening in the country. I mean, that doesn't mean you have to really dissociate yourself with the social structure. Social structure is a karmic situation of chain reactions. That's fine; nothing wrong with that. But the only point is how we deal with it, how we work with it. Do we work without struggle or with struggle? Do we work with paranoia or without paranoia? Once you become completely open and able to become completely state of sanity, *then* you make a best president of the country.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161697/file/293546#t=262.0,387.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161697/file/293546/transcript/84998/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 4]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: Well, like, in regards to this another thing I was thinking was-- let's say that I practice meditation for a number of years, and I'm trying to reach my buddhahood, the awakened state, the egoless state. And I'm able to start erasing the-- at least the jagged lines on my development, the conflict between emotion and intellect. And so I'm sitting there one day in my room meditating, and I think I'm just about to reach buddhahood, buddha nature. And I reach it, at least I feel I reach it, and then the telephone rings. And it seems there's a paradox there. I mean how can I answer the telephone after I've reached this state.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Of course you can telephone-- you can answer telephone. [Laughter] There's nothing wrong with that at all. That's the-- *exactly* the thing what we were talking about. If you're involved with a *pious* practice of any kind, there's a tremendous gap between religion and life. That's exactly why meditation plays an important part, to bring-- bridge between trying to transcend the dichotomy between pious and worldly. That's exactly where meditation plays important part. However, if meditation, personally meditating, discovered that his candlelights or incense begin to burn his house, his room, he will work with that. He will try to put out with the fire. He wouldn't just be sitting there and let himself be burn down as well.\r\n\r\n\r\nSo because the idea of meditation not question of getting yourself involved with a particular self-hypnotism of any kind. It's purely dealing with what is. It's a tremendously intelligent thing, rather that just purely observed-- absorbed into a particular state of being. It's a very *intelligent* situation. Intelligence of the intelligence of all. Because for the very fact that you don't relate to \"that\" and \"this\" anymore; therefore, you are the master of the *whole* situation. If you don't have to fight or defend \"this\" to \"that,\" if you see whole thing's completely as it is, then you really become great, skillful person, absolutely skillful person, and master of a situation, automatically. You see the whole idea of meditation that certain state you transcend the idea of techniques of meditation, and you become part of the meditation aspect. And you find yourself in a state of meditation all the time. Because of life is inspiration to meditation. And nothing is bringing you down to ordinary level anymore at all, so whole thing becomes open space.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER2: So are you saying another way of interacting with others in our civilization besides through ego?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Of *course*. Precisely, yeah. I mean, the best awakened person make best politicians, if you like to put it that way. [Laughs] Because they are *being* in the situation of relationship, rather than they try to become skillful politicians in terms of ego. Very powerful thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161697/file/293546#t=387.0,617.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161697/file/293546/transcript/84998/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 5]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Any questions connected with our previous one? How does one lose the beginner's mind?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER3: Well, the problem of the beginner's mind is beginner's mind is unstained, it's absolutely clean, absolutely empty. And when we have the concept of a beginner's mind, then it's no longer empty, it's no longer unstained, it's getting cluttered up already. And just from the concept of a beginner's mind, that gets us away from the beginner's mind itself. So it's closely related to the concept of the beginner's mind.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. That's good. Well said. Any more contributions?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: In our minds, but are always thinking about the future, and not about what we're doing right here. So we're never living right now, we're always living [INAUDIBLE]--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: How about the past?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: What?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: How about the past?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER4: Yeah, the past too. Never just exactly [INAUDIBLE].\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. That's what we're to going to discuss next day in this session. That's very good.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161697/file/293546#t=617.0,729.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161697/file/293546/transcript/84998/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 6]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: How about the next one? How did Marpa make Milarepa go through, what?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: Well--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Why--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: --trials.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --trials.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER5: Getting the teachings.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Getting teachings. I mean why there was such fuss? Isn't that a bit uncompassionate in the part of Milarepa-- or Marpa, rather?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER6: In the part where he’s making him build the houses and wearing the [INAUDIBLE] thing.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. Do you remember-- everybody remember that? How many people have read it? Good, well, that's fine.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: Quite a few different things mixed in. Partly it seems, that it's an atonement for his past action, a karma type thing where he'd been practicing the black magic. And then also, Milarepa-- Marpa says that, he calls him his \"destined student\". And it seems that through a dream he realizes that this student will go all the way and take over his position. So he wants to make sure that it's not a thing where he just hands the position over. He wants to test him and make him realize, through--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: It's sort of like it's the Zen sort of thing. Seems like we're-- I'm remembering reading in stories of Zen, the student would come up to the teacher and ask him a question and the teacher hit him over the head and shove him down onto the ground, and start punching him, you know, just calling him \"dummy.\" And the guy would like sort of achieve enlightenment after [laughter] [INAUDIBLE]. I didn't follow that part, but-- [Laughter] In this part, it isn't all that, you know, it's like a long period of time, he comes to realize after leaving that monastery, or whatever it is, after leaving it that many times, he finally comes to realize that-- see I was thinking something else, about something tied in with detached action. He said-- first he told Marpa that his soul and body was his. You know like he made that statement, and then he sort of reneged on it by, you know, by complaining about all his suffering and everything like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161697/file/293546#t=729.0,919.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161697/file/293546/transcript/84998/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 7]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. Well that's... that's fine. That answer's fine but it seems a bit too involved with the sort of sociological thing.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER7: Yeah, I [UNCLEAR: don't find that as now?] I just, you know.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Rather than the fundamental psychology. Anybody?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: Let's see, he started to make him do all these things, but the more he did them he would say, \"Well I still don't feel anything and this still hasn't happened.\" I kind of felt like there was a point of for achieving this. And I kind of equated it to what Leonard Cohen's song with-- he has a line in it and it says, \"Teacher, are my lessons done?\" And the teacher turns around and says, \"I don't know, are the lessons done?\" I don't see it as-- you have to go through all these things and realize for yourself. It's not a formula type of action?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Realize himself?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: Yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: In what sense?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: Well that-- you can't-- it's not a matter of, teacher says, \"Do this,\" and you do it. But it's a matter of understanding yourself where you are, instead of having somebody tell you.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: Can’t you just go back to that intellectual thing? You can't learn it intellectually, it seems you have to--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Exactly.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER9: -- yourself in time.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. That's the idea. True. Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: Yeah, Marpa probably had an idea about Milarepa's character, because he-- Milarepa told him about how he had done all that black magic. And that black magic was just following the commands of other people. His mother first and then Marpa himself made him, what, make a hailstorm or something?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. He did.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: And it's like, he was following blindly, and he had this power, and he wasn't-- he-- like he was just using his power as other people wanted him to, instead of realizing it himself.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah. Well, the whole point is, you see-- any more?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER10: No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161697/file/293546#t=919.0,1091.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161697/file/293546/transcript/84998/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 8]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER11: Most of that suffering-- like wouldn't Marpa make Milarepa suffer like that in order to clean him of all the things he'd done in the past? Besides build up his own strength and his own faith, so that he'd be able to carry on himself. And Marpa gives him teaching by making him suffer and things like that, and making him work really hard for what is-- what he wants. Like, you know, enlightenment is no easy thing and you have to get bounced  around with it, because--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's true, yeah. Any more?\r\n\r\n\r\nYou see, the object is that, it isn't a question of \"purify his sin\" -- \"quote, quote\". Or trying to make him better boy, at all. The whole thing is that there's so much driving force that Milarepa had. Was tremendous. He's very tough guy. He's really willing to go through *anything*. He's always fighting for any kind of achievement, all the time. He achieved black magic and he achieved everything with that. So the idea is that, that particular kind of struggle that has been involved. It is question of taking away the struggle, when the person's despaired. Like in the case of Milarepa, that Milarepa is completely despaired, that he was just about to commit suicide, he just about to give up the whole thing. And from that point, teaching begin to start. You see the whole thing that we been discussing in the beginning of our session, inquisitive and demanding. So much speed is involved with the trying to search something, trying to learn something. Once you've involved with the speed and trying to grasp something, then you don't learn anything. Unless you are willing to give up the whole driving force behind it. Because that in itself is recreating the ego-inclined mechanism of trying to push yourself in a particular situation. That's good. That's very good.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161697/file/293546#t=1091.0,1249.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161697/file/293546/transcript/84998/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 9]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: What kind of [INAUDIBLE]?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I think so, yeah.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: And yet, Milarepa's energy seemed to do some-- be a positive thing.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Of course, he's trying to achieve something creative. But that doesn't mean to say positive in the sense of absolute positive. It's a relative positive, that he want to actually make himself a better person. I mean, if you read this book, you find that other teachers like his-- there were four students, four disciples, like [UNCLEAR: Dode?] and the other people, who actually didn't work that hard at all like Milarepa. They were quite a stable family, farmers like Mila-- Marpa himself. They didn't have to work that painfully. It's question of, whole treatment is very like-- very much like computer, or speedometer. If you go fast, you get more number; if you go slow, you get less number. It's as intelligent as that. Something very mechanical in the sense, you could say. It's very obvious.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161697/file/293546#t=1249.0,1352.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161697/file/293546/transcript/84998/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 10]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: Well, this brings up the question of suffering and pain, and the cause of suffering and pain. And why is there suffering and pain? And what does it mean for a person to escape the bonds of suffering and pain?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What do you mean \"suffering\"?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: Well suffering could take all sorts of forms. There can be physical suffering, can be psychological suffering, from anxiety, from fear, it can be from depression or sadness.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm. There’s even more--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: It can even-- it can even be happiness, suffering, in a way [INAUDIBLE]--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, sure. The hope is that it's something more than suffering. It's speed that we are talking about. Is more important.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: The amount of suffering?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It's spee--\r\n\r\n\r\n[GAP IN AUDIO]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --trying to reach to happiness, because you are in a suffering, suffering situation. Because you are suffer. We try to get more and more and more and more into *further* liberation from pain. And way of doing that is very much intensive speed which is involved. By the way, there is a kind of striving for pleasure involved, that automatically means pain, suffering. So the whole point is just drop altogether pleasure *and* pain. Unless you do that, there is no way out at all. Do you see what I mean?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: Mhmm. Yeah, I don't understand the speed part.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, speed is trying to achieve further pleasure or trying to get it off to the suffering. Trying to get off suffering. Continuously happening all the time. Which is a driving force that you tend to ignore that you have to give up the whole thing. This never occurred in terms of speed. One tend to have certain feelings that if you going fast-- faster or further, then you will lose whole thing. There's a tremendous tendency of trying to get off, rather than trying to actually examine and to give up as it is.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161697/file/293546#t=1352.0,1531.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161697/file/293546/transcript/84998/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 11]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: Well, then why-- what's the purpose of suffering then, and pain? Why-- if Marpa was really a compassionate person wouldn't have he tried to be a little bit easier? Maybe not. Maybe that's-- maybe that he was being compassionate by doing what he was doing.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You see there's another idea of, what's it called, \"idiot compassion.\" Compassionate idiot. Where you trying to serve or trying to help people, but by process of helping that person becomes dependent on you. And there's no further way of freeing themself in it-- from it. And that seems to be the point that what we're discussing.\r\n\r\n\r\nMarpa was just willing to work with the Milarepa, as long as he's willing to work with himself. As long as he's willing to regard his frustrations and disappointments as part of himself, rather than trying to secure anything for him. Because for the very fact that he must realize his own depressions and problems as part of his own makeup. That unless he's going to give up the criteria of the whole thing; there's no way out.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER12: Well, does working on self necessarily mean suffering?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Not necessarily. Could be pleasure. Which also means suffering in some ways.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161697/file/293546#t=1531.0,1651.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161697/file/293546/transcript/84998/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 12]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: [INAUDIBLE] --the expression, \"big clay makes a big buddha.\" It's easy to work with small things, which only makes a small buddha. Well, is there some particular significance to the fact that Milarepa had so much to work out, and had to suffer for so long. And then, finally made such a very exceptional buddha. I mean you can't really compare these things. But the other people-- the other-- Marpa's other disciplines who didn't have to struggle so much, didn't become such buddhas. Figures.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, that seems to be very interdependent situation. Once you put more effort, you begin to feel you got some more. Once you put in less effort, you feel you get less. But whole point is that you got exactly the same amount, all the time. [Laughs]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: Why is Milarepa's reputation so outstanding?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, because of the-- because of reputation.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER8: Yes, but it's just a matter of reputation.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Better reputation, yeah. I'm sure the others have had tremendous wisdom and knowledge, transcending Milarepa to some point. But it's just because of kind of heroic thing that it happened.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161697/file/293546#t=1651.0,1767.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161697/file/293546/transcript/84998/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 13]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: Rinpoche, [INAUDIBLE]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: You said, \"drop both pleasure and pain.\" What does that leave? A neutral state?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Neutral state?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER13: Like, drop pleasure and pain. What is there then?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: A greater pleasure or greater pain. [Laughter; laughs] Once you transcend, you see everything as it is. It's a really tremendous, fantastic thing. [Laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161697/file/293546#t=1767.0,1818.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161697/file/293546/transcript/84998/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: LECTURE]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, I think we better leave the last one. And I hope to have you some more questions next time. And probably we should work on the next discussion that we are going to have.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER14: [INAUDIBLE]?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Someone had already raised the whole thing. That was very kind of you. [Laughter] But comes back again and again and again [laughter]. That if you talk in terms of--\r\n\r\n\r\n[GAP IN AUDIO]\r\n\r\n\r\n--in the situation of wavy thoughts, of discursive thoughts, and other things, that next point of development-- [laughs; laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER16: [INAUDIBLE] [laughter]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161697/file/293546#t=1818.0,1897.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161697/file/293546/transcript/84998/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: --is trying to work so that wavy lines of discursive and irregular thinking has been completely erased, so that we come to the beginner's mind. And that beginner's mind is, in a sense, not referred at particular \"for\" or \"against\" anything at all. Just working with what *is*, in the state of mind, in the practice of meditation. That process of not working with a \"for\" or \"against\" in particular state of mind at all, is undoing process, as we've said here. Can stop there and I could continue. [Whispers] Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161697/file/293546#t=1897.0,1979.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161697/file/293546/transcript/84998/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Is that once you are involved with the \"for\" and \"against,\" then you're dealing with the beginner's mind. Because for the very fact there is \"for\" and \"against\", in itself doesn't involve. Because things what we were talking about in terms of meditation is that, having worked with the discursive thoughts, then next stage that we are going to get into is watching ourselves transcending discursive thoughts as such. And *how* that could arise. That could arise because of being aware of ourselves that we are. And experience is something separate from ourselves. And that process becomes very confusing because we relate something to \"that,\" to \"this.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161697/file/293546#t=1979.0,2064.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161697/file/293546/transcript/84998/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So the basic idea of shunyata -- or the emptiness, or voidness, whatever you like to put it -- is working with the situation of that which doesn't imply receiver of experience. In other word, the experience doesn't imply, in the shunyata doctrine. If you find Heart Sutra, it says, \"Form is emptiness and emptiness is form.\" So in other word, the experience doesn't imply anymore at all. Experience become *you*, so you have nothing to experience anymore at all. Because the experience are you. Therefore, it's not external separate thing, away from you. Experience become whatever you are.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161697/file/293546#t=2064.0,2129.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161697/file/293546/transcript/84998/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So that's the ultimate meaning of knowledge in the Buddhist tradition, or this particular way of looking at knowledge opposed to wisdom, wisdom opposed to knowledge. You don't understand or conceive or perceive in terms of something that outside of you, but you become more whatever is, what *is*. That kind of become what *is*, is part of you. Because you don't actually watch what is, in terms of extraordinary display, as such. Because what *is* is what you *are*. And that particular point, then you begin to lose the conceptualized notion of trying to make yourself more learned or more better. Now I begin to give up whole hope and fear, and everything into that situation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161697/file/293546#t=2129.0,2222.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161697/file/293546/transcript/84998/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't think I mentioned about reading Heart Sutra in the last session. Probably it would be good thing to read about it. Just trying to find out, or read about it. It might be a very outlandish, something extremely irrelevant. But I think good to read and go through it. Because in that particular writing you find the particular point that you don't have to impose yourself onto particular learning point anymore. Because the-- having that with the discursive thoughts, of yourself, then next point is obviously trying to take away from where you are standing from-- where you standing at. Other word it's kind of leap, where you completely kind of get away from the idea of where you leaping from.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161697/file/293546#t=2222.0,2306.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161697/file/293546/transcript/84998/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I hope this isn't too obscure thing. But since we worked on the ego process of working with the trying to better ourselves or trying to work *ahead* of ego situations. Suddenly that we have discovered that, after all, we don't have to try to get ourselves a better person or greater person as such. Only thing we have to do is just stop altogether. The very idea of criteria of becoming better or worse, that in itself takes away the whole trip, whole struggle altogether.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161697/file/293546#t=2306.0,2369.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161697/file/293546/transcript/84998/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's much better often, trying to get off the intellectual speculation, but just purely trying to think of what *is*, in terms of our own situation, our own understanding, if you really know and experience that. And if you are interested in academic studies, I'm sure you'd make better professors, because you know what you are. Even have to look for millions of books and you trying to get reference to it. [Laughs] It's not question of trying to get something to coincide with one subject and next subject. Trying to get together, in terms of reference or in terms of quotations as such. But whole thing lies on what we are going to work with ourselves. And if we had been just trying to able to work with that, then the whole idea of meditation, as well as idea of shunyata principle, voidness, which is basically trying to overcome the idea of where you starting from. And once you overcome the idea of where you starting from, then further situations just begins, in working towards one's self. And I think, if you could really work on further into the beginner's mind. What's it called?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER17: [INAUDIBLE]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161697/file/293546#t=2369.0,2502.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161697/file/293546/transcript/84998/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"TRUNGPA RINPOCHE: ZEN MIND, BEGINNER'S MIND, in the Suzuki Roshi's book. I think that begun to very important. As well as I have suggest in particular session -- I don't remember which one it was said, probably one before this -- I have mentioned trying to find the book that which describes the idea of shunyata and openness; which describes the experience of nothingness or the \"what is,\" \"is-ness\", by Doctor Suzuki, MYSTICISM: CHRISTIANITY AND BUDDHISM [sic: MYSTICISM: CHRISTIAN AND  BUDDHIST], which we're going to speak I'm sure, which is very good. That was a very beautiful book to read, and try to work once with that. So whole point is that based on trying to get something *personal* experience, rather than just purely given by quotations or books, which is very important -- personal experience.\r\n\r\n\r\nAnd I would like to hear some more critical questions next time, rather than purely acceptance, being naive. We mustn't be naive. We must be good scientist!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161697/file/293546#t=2502.0,2620.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161697/file/293546/transcript/84998/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 14]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER18: I have a question on meditation [INAUDIBLE] about it. It seems to me that if you had the beginner's mind, that you could still enjoy using your mind in a different sense. I mean, you may not put stock in-- say you're a professor, you may not put stock in that world, you may not identify that world, you may not say \"I am a professor,\" but it looks like you could still exist at least in part in that world and enjoy it.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You mean, you're talking in terms of professors?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER18: Well, maybe I misconstrued what you said, but I understood you to say, or to imply perhaps, that if you were going to be a professor, or if you're going to be... And, I mean, that in terms of that in a general abstract way in terms of a lot of things in, out in the world, that perhaps-- well let me put it the other way. If you're going to have a beginner's mind, this is going to negate or rule out you wanting to be involved in something like that also. And I can see it in negate in-- and it because a lot of people you meet, you know, you say, \"Who are you?\" and they'll say, \"Well, I'm a professor.\" And they really mean that, I mean, that's as far as they can see, you know, themselves. They are a professor and that's it.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, why not?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER18: And I can see how I'd rule that out. But I can't see how I-- it can still seems to be you could be involved with another world and enjoy it and still--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well, you could. As long as you don't regard as part of the flock.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161697/file/293546#t=2620.0,2708.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161697/file/293546/transcript/84998/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 15]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Another question, someone?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER19: When you said that you drop the criteria of good and bad. Well, I sort of think that culturally we're assessed all the time of some-- of things being good and bad. And even if you sort of drop that criteria, saying something is good or bad, that the culture will just sort of keep-- keep doing it for you. And I don't see how you can escape some of it.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well the culture's your reflection, your projection. As you call the \"culture\" or what-- the reflection of yourself. Is your projection. If you try to set situation that you could be ingratiating to the projection, there's no end trying to please the world outside. But once you regard yourself as a central person, as what you are, I don't think there's particular defeat or problem which you involved with, trying to ingratiate the world outside.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161697/file/293546#t=2708.0,2784.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161697/file/293546/transcript/84998/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 16]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER20: Aren't there difficulties with people laying trips on you though? Like I would think people keep laying trips-- people keep laying trips on each other all the time. And I think even if you're not laying any trips on anybody, people would still be laying trips on you all the time. That would be a heavy thing to deal with.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Don't think so. As long as you don't believe altogether in the trip.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER20: On the what?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Believe altogether in the trip. Whether they lay heavy trips on you, it's irrelevant. You penetrate right through their trip.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161697/file/293546#t=2784.0,2832.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161697/file/293546/transcript/84998/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 17]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yes?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER21: Well it seems like if you really know yourself, then you're not influenced by things outside.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Well it seem [INAUDIBLE] influencing necessarily. It's a question of being what you are. It doesn't mean that you have to defend yourself from the information.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER21: Well, they just, like, they don't touch me.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: They're not relevant anymore.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER21: They're not relevant?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161697/file/293546#t=2832.0,2857.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161697/file/293546/transcript/84998/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 18]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER22: Isn't what you're saying that you can do things, do anything, or exist in any context, and still have yourself -- beginner's mind?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Of course. \"It's a free country.\" [laughter] Free world.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER22: Right.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: You can do anything. Nobody's restricting you except ourselves. It's beautiful, very powerful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161697/file/293546#t=2857.0,2889.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161697/file/293546/transcript/84998/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 19]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER23: You left Tibet when the communists came in.\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: That's my free expression.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER23: There were--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I have whole America now. [Laughter; laughs] Which actually communists Chinese very much feared -- that I've conquered America. [Laughs; laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER24: You didn't leave the country because you felt it would affect your meditating or anything like that? You just left the country because you felt you wanted to?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: I was fascinated to come outside. And enjoyed the whole journey of my escape. Actually did.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER23: You enjoyed it?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Mhmm.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER23: I read your book and it sounded, wow, like it was really--\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: It's really beautiful, to really cross these mountains; and suddenly once you cross one mountain, you suddenly discover beautiful blue lake behind it. And you go on and on and then you find precipice, and mountains, glaciers, and all beautiful things. It's very extraordinary. And we climbed up to about twenty feet-- 20,000 feet high up mountains. [Laughs] I thought of going back to Tibet again, and then making the same journey again. [Laughter; laughs]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161697/file/293546#t=2889.0,3000.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161697/file/293546/transcript/84998/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: QUESTION 20]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Good, well, perhaps we should stop there. And-- unless you have any questions. What is the... ?\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER25: Last one -- what is the origin of desire?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: What is the origin of desire? We could work on that. And we could maybe create some more questions.\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER25: [INAUDIBLE]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161697/file/293546#t=3000.0,3034.0"},{"id":"https://cti.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3467/collection_resources/161697/file/293546/transcript/84998/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[BOOKMARK: CLOSING REMARKS]\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Yeah, I think I've mentioned that here. If nobody's here, if anyone who then-- who didn’t hear about this thing is that we would like to work really together. That in other word, there-- it isn't a question of that something's based on converting yourselves into ideas of what I had to present, necessarily. But in terms of process of studying and working with it. At the end of our term, that I would like to really write to someone-- everyone, in fact, everybody who took part and signed for the course present at least about three pages of writings, summarizing the whole thing, the discussion that we had. In other word a kind of synopsis of the whole thing, together.\r\n\r\n\r\nAnd I-- why I say is only three pages because I don't want you to get into intellectual, analytical level, but just trying to feel the whole thing. How we begin this question of what we be discussing in terms of ego, in terms of meditation experiences throughout whole thing. That I want-- would very much like you to write something, to the fact that what we been discussing each session is connected with whole thing, evolutionary process of meditation. So please bear that in mind. About three-- possibly about--\r\n\r\n\r\nSPEAKER26: Three to five?\r\n\r\n\r\nTRUNGPA RINPOCHE: Five, yeah. I think if we think could do it very short, it's much better, more effective. As well as I have to read it all though. [Laughs] It is-- the whole point is trying to get everything into the basic point rather than expounding into any particular things. Probably that's against wishes of university, that we're working under the name of a university. But at the same time I want you to get off this track of intellectualizing, university concept of analyzing intellectually. But something that is personal and intuitive, something that we could present ourselves into something really *real*, something that you actually *felt*. You could write also your own experience in it. It would be very beautiful, that we could work together. The question of credit is another matter, it seems. Doesn't apply in this case. But I'm sure everybody get credit. [Laughs; laughter]\r\n\r\n\r\nGood. Thank you. Try to work on next question. Do you remember? Because we would like to have some communication going on, continuously, rather than me just giving talks and you taking notes, but we would like to have something really going over to between ourselves. Which is a very crucial point, actually important thing. We should have something going on between me and you, students and the teacher. That's the creative things about-- most exciting thing about teaching and learning.\r\n\r\n\r\nIf there's any particular questions to come to mind please bring it up. As well as question that we have discussed last time. And next time that we may not answer that question and create another more-- some more.\r\n\r\n\r\nIt's very interesting that-- actually, it could be looked in that's this way, that you are teaching *me* rather than I'm teaching you. That I am learning so much from the questions and discussion that we have had. And it's a beautiful thing that I am learning. You could bombard with the questions to me, then I'm trying to think about, \"Now how this work it out? How this happened? Why that person said such a thing?\" And I look to myself. So it's a very beautiful thing that-- in fact please regard yourself as teachers, hundreds of them, teaching only one person. [Laughs] Which is very interesting [laughter] way of looking at.\r\n\r\n\r\n[Chogyam Trungpa Institute - Unedited Verbatim Transcript]\r\n\r\n\r\n[Copyright Diana J. 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